pif-hoenn-discussion

[upper talon]

you're wellcome

[livid ridge]

based

[craggy shoal]

You’re a fellow correctly opinionated UB enjoyer by the way, so I salute you

[worn coyote]

these bois already got a solid s for us

[livid ridge]

hydregion

[white meadow]

Magnezone could be a defect one

[upper talon]

thanks again

[rancid lily]

add this boi to that

[craggy shoal]

I’m confused why those disgusting elemental monkeys are placed high though

[white meadow]

So we can beat them up

[forest timber]

This is my idea even though it's very specific ( these two were very strong at a certain point of time in the Trading Card Game )

[livid ridge]

why tf is relicanth in too many slots lol

[upper talon]

oops my mistake

[craggy shoal]

If the pan- lines get in I will lose all faith in the judgement ability of this community

[livid ridge]

i'll literally break down into tears if they get in

[hushed mantle]

Ranking the monkeys in anything but 0 is unacceptable

[forest timber]

^^^^^

I know people may like at least one of them, but they take too many slots for just one of them to be in

[worn coyote]

cute little boi, here's another cute little boi to add

[white meadow]

OMG
Garbodor/Tyrantrum a old defect Excavator with a claw on its arm not shovel

[forest timber]

👀 👀 👀 You're onto something

[rancid lily]

Your cooking

[craggy shoal]

I’m convinced they were added as a honeypot where anybody who votes them 3 is shadowbanned from this server

[white meadow]

deserved

Ngl Garbodor could be the new Mimikyu from creativity aspects

[worn coyote]

true.

[forest timber]

Wholeheartedly agree

[trail hull]

Torterra but tree is made up of garbage

[craggy shoal]

I would have actually voted 3 for trubbish because of all the potential it has, but I thought everybody hated it and it had no chance of getting in so I gave it a 1 : (

[trail hull]

Huge agree

[livid ridge]

nah everyone loves garbodor

[white meadow]

That reason is dumb ngl

[white meadow]

breh you shouldn't vote 1 just because it has no chance

[worn coyote]

is now a bad time to ask to please vote Sandygast/Palossand?

[white meadow]

Yes Garbodor line is our Favorite cat Pokemon

[trail hull]

Worse thing to do, put a 3 on a Pokémon you want because it might give it a chance (because most people aren’t on this chat)

[white meadow]

like i voted 3 on masquerain even tho i already know it's not gonna get it anyway

[hushed mantle]

Don’t give up, i literally gave 3 to cool pokemon i know are never gonna get in like hoopa or chatot

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/trubbish-pokemon-gif-10095824880578829261

[livid ridge]

the only good cat pokemon line is incineroars ngl

[forest timber]

Can't spell rn Imagine some sort of Garbodor fusion where it's some recycled item

[trail hull]

Glameow

[forest timber]

Let the sandcastle in

[white meadow]

Well we could make Klinklang being recycle metal

[worn coyote]

i just thought of a super duper obscure fusion idea for Empoleon/Garbador

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-trash-oskar-trash-sesame-street-sesamstrasse-gif-21433618

[trail hull]

Dhelmise and empoleon fused together could make Poseidon theme fusion

[forest timber]

I gave the Dustox / Beautifly line a 3 although I know for sure they aren't getting in

[white meadow]

We can make him than with like ... Primeape?

[livid ridge]

they better not. 5 slots and 2 of them are balls

[white meadow]

Good potential but too many and 2 look nearly identical

[worn coyote]

Dustox needs to get in

[forest timber]

Yea ⚰️

[stiff ember]

Garboder 🤤

[worn coyote]

if dustox wasn't bundled with the garbage inclusions of the other parts of the Wurmple line i would say vote dustox

[forest timber]

That's my exact thought ( I wish they weren't paired together )

[worn coyote]

dustox alone? yes. dustox + beautifly? no.

[forest timber]

I adore Dustox as a mon ( especially it's shiny )

[worn coyote]

but beautifly is garbage in general

[forest timber]

Sadly

[white meadow]

Btw can I interest you guys in a goat?

[forest timber]

I already gave Gogoat a 3

[white meadow]

Purrfect

[forest timber]

I just wonder who will be the 20 chosen mons honstly

Whether it'll cause mass outrage or happiness will be a mystery

[white meadow]

Thats the list
Confirmed by me

[worn coyote]

can anyone make a palossand/Tyrantrum thats like a sand jurassic park or smth similar?

(for my campaign)

[forest timber]

I'd be very content with this list

Although I wouldn't be able to do a personal run since none of the mons I want to fuse with another mon are there

[vast igloo]

honestly id like that list outside of rockruff line

[white meadow]

Thanks I went in with a lot of thought
What being popular
What I like
Whats possible cuz of typeings
What do we not have

[pure flower]

We have basically every typing combo thanks to the fusion mechanic p sure

[white meadow]

Yeah but we lack some types

[pure flower]

Some types?

[vast igloo]

iirc there arent many ice types

[white meadow]

Like we have just a few of them

[forest timber]

Yea

[pure flower]

Aa I see

[worn coyote]

which is why people have taken a liking for adding Spheal and Avalugg, avalugg is out of left field for me

[pure flower]

Froslass/Glalie's line, Avalugg Line, and Aurorus are all ice types I'd vibe with

[worn coyote]

this is the first time i've seen a group of people like Avalugg

[forest timber]

But I'd love it if even one of the mons got in ( I'd love Cryogonal, Walrein, and Aurorus as Ice type options )

[pure flower]

Avalugg has an interesting head design

[vast igloo]

tbh I want beartic lines, good ability and I can see potential with it

[pure flower]

If you actually tapped into creativity, there's likely more you can do with Avalugg to make some interesting fusions with it

[worn coyote]

same with Sandygast

[vast igloo]

avalugg+klefkey=coffee table

[forest timber]

^

[worn coyote]

(yes this is an ad for sandygast!)

[pure flower]

Why a table? Why not change the glacier itself into other stuff?

[forest timber]

I now realized I made some unintentional Trubbish/Garbodor ads a moment ago

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bots-mbots-felix-maesschalck-tim-truyens-loezer-gif-13055144

[white meadow]

No we brainstormed good fusion ideas

[forest timber]

Pretty great that we did though!

[pure flower]

For example, making the bottom of the torso more rounded and curved to fit with the metallic theme, having a row of keys sticking up like back spikes, with the tail itself being replaced by a key ring that has one single large key.

You can surely be more creative with that than table fusions.

[vast igloo]

avalugg+torterra =flat earth

[pure flower]

Frozen tree

[tame flax]

Wrong order chief

[white meadow]

Thats Torterra/Stunfisk

[pure flower]

For torterra+avalugg, why not have trees growing along the back, the torso itself being dirts and rocks, with some dirt dropping to the ground.

[red falcon]

@white meadow thanks for including zangoose and seviper on your list they're dope

[vast igloo]

rotom+avalugg=flatline machine that doctors use to say "He's dead"

[white meadow]

Btw we all know the earth is a jurassic park velociraptor

[forest timber]

What mon could we fuse with Torterra to make The World Tree?

[vast igloo]

suduwudo

[pure flower]

Torterra.

Torterra+Torterra would probably be a world tree on the back

[forest timber]

True, we can fuse mons with itself

[red falcon]

Sick!

@white meadow can you do a zangoose machamp?

[white meadow]

If Seviper gets in I ask the artist for permission

[white meadow]

Maybe idk yet
I dont promise anything anymore cuz I often completly forget my brain just ignores it

[forest timber]

I could draw a fusion

[red falcon]

@forest timber I would like that!

[forest timber]

I can't do sprites however

[pure flower]

Yknow. I'd love to see Machamp fusions that have more grace to them then brawn

[red falcon]

@white meadow that's fair it's easy to get overwhelmed especially with online stuff

[forest timber]

You're so right though

[pure flower]

Lurantis/Machamp for example could be a more graceful Machamp, having four scythes, with the machamp body dressed in Lurantis's "dress"

[white meadow]

I can
Sometimes lol

If I fine time
In like half a year XD

[forest timber]

I have ideas that be lost to time because I have a lot more ideas in my head from people

[red falcon]

I don't think a graceful machamp is really needed it's like Goro from MK or a cyclops or ogre it's just Ugga booga you know

[white meadow]

My brain is like the internet browser of my Parents
20 tabs open 5 dont work and they dont the fuck know where all the music comes from

[red falcon]

Omg lol

[rough hound]

guess whos cooking again? =3

[forest timber]

Dragalge!

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dragalge-pokemon-kalos-amie-pet-gif-27372796

[red falcon]

An octillary machamp fusion dual wielding sniper rifles would be hilarious

[forest timber]

Such an underrated sp.def tank

[rough hound]

yep! if you vote dragalge youll have access to this brand new sprite base im currently creating! that means more unique body fusions!

[forest timber]

I want to make something absolutely horrendous stat wise

[forest vapor]

this channel (a lot)

[forest timber]

Like Blissey fusion horrendous

[rough hound]

funny you mention machamp, since one of the other members of dragalge's alliance has been fused with machamp recently!

[white meadow]

Imagine being competent enough to make a base

[rough hound]

im just starting lol, but its really fun to learn. though i did base it off this card, so dont give me all the credit

[forest timber]

You're so based for looking at the TCG card I hate that I immediately recognized which set that is from

[rough hound]

yeah, with this vote ive been really working on trying to make custom bases for my big 3 top mons. i also did a toxicroak one recently

now the only ones left are gastrodon and the prevos. but i think i have a plan for them already

[cinder oasis]

Basing it on the tcg is really smart

[forest timber]

^^^^

The poses are usually very dynamic too

[rough hound]

i only thought of it bc its what ive seen a lot of other base makers do tbh

[forest timber]

I need to find me the best Cinccino card art that is not the Legendary Treasures holo card

[rough hound]

Tbh its as easy as looking up "___ card" and looking through images

[forest timber]

True, it's just the fact that I know almost every single card art because I was an avid TCG player before quitting

[lusty oxide]

I haven’t been in this chat all day it’s already so late lol

[rough hound]

Thats fair, but who knows, maybe you missed a hidden gem

[forest timber]

Yea, there's a new Cinccino card that I don't remember the art of because it's in the SwSh TCG era ( I quit in the middle od the SuMo era )

[rough hound]

Idk what any of that means, but its super impressive that you have all that stuff memorized

[cinder oasis]

The cards are based off each generation

[forest timber]

Basically I'm saying that I stopped playing the card game during the time where the card sets has (SuMo) Sun & Moon: [Set Name] and I just happen to know there's a Cinccino card in the (SwSh) Sword and Shield era

[cinder oasis]

There's a few sets per generation typically with the pokemon of those generation being GX

[rough hound]

ah, i didnt recognize those as the game names lol

[cinder oasis]

Also some generations are different with tag team and the really old cards having "abilities". I don't think you can use cards from before certain years in the tcg though

[white meadow]

Updated some days ago

[rough hound]

Oh btw, what do yall think of these two cards as bases? Since the east and west forms probably wont both be obtainable at the same time (one of them being an alt) i figured that the only solution is having both at once

[lusty oxide]

wait they ended racism?

[cinder oasis]

?

[rough hound]

in the card game, apparently lmao

[forest timber]

I'd like that to be the base for Shellos and Gastrodon ^^

[rough hound]

they may not be good fusion bases, more just an alt for the base mons so they dont have to choose just one. but i feel llike gastrodon body fusions are gonna be mostly unique anyways

[cinder oasis]

Abomasnow at 1 sadge

[forest timber]

I'd personally love to see fusions revolving around popular TCG decks ( Like Night March with a combination of Mew, Joltik, Pumpkaboo, or Lampent )

[rough hound]

if i remember right, east and west gastrodon dont like each other according to their dex entries. its on sight if they spot each other

[cinder oasis]

Oh lol, pokemon racism lore goes crazy

[rough hound]

i havent seen em, could ya send some?

[lusty oxide]

Pokédex entries mention the two variants of gastrodon fighting

[forest timber]

They don't have any special form change or anything, but it was a very strong deck in the past ( Going to send images of said cards used in a moment )

[fallow drift]

But wouldn’t east gastrodon not like the west gastrodon?!

[rough hound]

IF ended slug racism fr

[fallow drift]

Oh sorry I just got on didn’t notice

If you guys were talking about it

[rough hound]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant

[forest timber]

@rough hound Basically the idea behind the deck was supposed to be to get as many Night March cards in the discard pile for a tremendous amount of damage of used properly ( Joltik and this certain Mew are the "main" attackers )

[fallow drift]

Which necrozma do you like dusk necrozma ultra necrozma base form necrozma or dawn necrozma

[rough hound]

ultra necrozma =3

[forest timber]

There was an item card that made it very easy to discard said mons too

[fallow drift]

Good choice

[rough hound]

oooo! those are definitely cool. honestly, if you know any other cool cards thatd make good bases then try dropping them in #spriter-general or smth to see if anyone wants to give it a shot

[fallow drift]

These are necrozma fusions vote for necrozma!

[rough hound]

Btw, while were still talking about custom bases, i cant decide between these two. One is cool and one is goofy.

I might make both, but which do yall prefer?

[forest timber]

Alright! Thank you!

[rough hound]

oh and also, i also wanna do skrelp but i didnt find any good poses. anyone know any good skrelp content?

[fallow drift]

No sorry

[forest timber]

I did a quick search and couldn't really find any as of now ( I'll try to find some if I can )

[forest timber]

Tough choice since both look cool

[rough hound]

best refs ive got atm are these ones, which could work, but idk

[lusty oxide]

The card croagunk looks like he’s busting a rhyme

[rough hound]

exactly, hes gonna drop the most fire album in the region

[lusty oxide]

Or he’s part of team skull

[forest timber]

But to be fair, it is hard to come up with a cool looking pose for Skrelp since it looks like algae

[rough hound]

the issue is, theres not much skrelp content to pull from. if i could use fanart thatd be great, but idk if thatd be art theft so im not gonna risk it

[sharp nebula]

◀️

[rough hound]

ngl i find meloettas base form more appealing

[stone cliff]

If Ludicolo gets in, I want a Miror B themed Alt

[buoyant sluice]

Vote Xerneas !

[regal vault]

Volcanion and necrozma in uniteresing 💀💀

[earnest mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-evolve-rockruff-lycanroc-gif-16420675

[stone cliff]

Honestly also not a fan of Volcanion

[buoyant sluice]

I love Volcanion but not as a good fuseable pokemon

[stone cliff]

If any legendaries get in I hope it's the Regis due to my Gen 3 bias lmao

[graceful torrent]

give us cherrim

[buoyant sluice]

And necrozma is literally a prism pokemon what does that mean 💀

[graceful torrent]

necrozma fusions can just be dusk-mane or dusk-wings versions of every pokemon and i think thats cool

[regal vault]

Armored, ultra necrozma and prism cristal pokémon.

[cobalt nebula]

https://youtu.be/SUj98ZGOTA8

[graceful torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-lunala-pokemon-pokemon-flying-gif-12150188

[forest timber]

Volcanion is so boring looking ngl

[graceful torrent]

volcanion's only unique thing (typing) doesnt matter so its basically just good stats and a cool move but also like a lame design

[cobalt nebula]

https://youtu.be/ArHk0YzA74s

[regal vault]

No, good pallete, good Head, not a turtle, tentacle cannons and steam

[white meadow]

Steampunk fusions 🤯🤯

[graceful torrent]

these are neat

[regal vault]

Nah

[stone cliff]

Magearna would be better for steampunk I feel

[white meadow]

Oh yeah true

[regal vault]

I could do something better with it, this is very basic

[stone cliff]

I mean, in terms of palette it basically shares one with Pyroar

[gentle ferry]

I made Shellos/Shellos 🙂

[stone cliff]

But I'm also biased against legendaries for this vote in general, so vote what you want lol

[rough hound]

[cinder oasis]

Everybody should vote for sharpedo, for Blahaj

[cobalt nebula]

Show me a Necrozma regi and I’ll swap that from a 1 to a 3 in an instant lol. I like Necrozma.

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/nyancat-ikea-ikea-nyan-cat-yett-mjau-gif-16275604

[cobalt nebula]

Not what I meant but it fits the definition technically so deals a deal

[graceful torrent]

he's got electric guitar hands

[tame flax]

Itd be dope if the tapus got in

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[white meadow]

I really hope either dhelmise, xurkitree or golisopod gets added

[cinder oasis]

Do you know when the polls end? I've heard people says its one month but idk

[tame flax]

It is one month

Though by now I imagine it's 2 or 3 weeks

[iron quartz]

Dhelmise is def atleast top 20
Golisopod is def top 20 + necrozma

[cinder oasis]

Xurkitree is no way but golisopod and dhelmise are cool, both have a 3 for me

[cinder oasis]

I think it'll be 2 weeks since the Voting already been 2 weeks and a bit

[iron quartz]

Also if you didnt know
20 pokemon will be added if they make it if a pokemon has reached a spot in the top 20,10 or 5

[cinder oasis]

Yeah I know

[last knot]

i really do hope meloetta gets voted in - just seems like a ton of unique spriting opportunities bc of the music theme

[iron quartz]

true
Music is def the name of this pokemon

[shy marsh]

Boldore

[cinder oasis]

Most definitely

[iron quartz]

(exploud sorry but ur just a Speaker)

[tame flax]

Maybe

[iron quartz]

(while she the singer tbh)

[last knot]

like jirachi has some of the best sprites bc of the cosmic/stars thing, & meloetta has even more possibilities imho

[cinder oasis]

Oh jirachi, I forgot he was in the game ngl

[iron quartz]

• decent typing i suppose and Not bad moveset

[last knot]

jirachi + meloetta = superstar/idol/etc

[cinder oasis]

Normal and psychic is pretty good

[last knot]

meloetta + various water types = siren

[livid ridge]

AI HOSHINO WHOOPS WRONG REPLY

[iron quartz]

Probably gonna reference Ai hoshino (Jirachi is the creature of dreams,And meloetta is a Singer)

[cinder oasis]

I have no idea what that is

[last knot]

ooooh hell yes

[iron quartz]

Anime character

[cinder oasis]

Oh it's from oshi no ko, I haven't watched that one

[iron quartz]

:)

[iron quartz]

You should watch it,It will be fun

[last knot]

also kartana bc all those origami sprites ❤️

[iron quartz]

Necrozma (is he even a UB???)
is probably the only UB that will make it in

[livid ridge]

or would ai hoshino be genesect + meloetta because of the purple?

[last knot]

is there a way to see the current votes?

[iron quartz]

Nah
i rather like Jirachi + meloetta
@last knot nope

[lyric sail]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-unite-decidueye-crustle-pokemon-unite-gif-27226479

[livid ridge]

i think jirachi meloetta would be hatsune miku

[iron quartz]

Well you can
if you ask hypno toad
@last knot

[native nebula]

thought I'd show what I am workin on with you kids.

[tame flax]

That's a very powerful mon

[gentle ferry]

Nice

[last knot]

haven't been in the discord lately except to vote, is there a general sense of clear frontrunners so far?

[gentle ferry]

Not a bit lmao

[last knot]

i was seriously surprised to see tyrantrum

[tame flax]

Nope, people just shout out who they want in

[gentle ferry]

I truly believe propaganda has very little effect, but it's fun and you might win a vote or two

[livid ridge]

idk but going from the chats golisopod and necrozma are popular

[tame flax]

In many cases its a very vocal minority, so it muddies the water

[native nebula]

We already know of 6 mons in the game.

[last knot]

i do think golosipod would be neat sprites + interesting with ability

[gentle ferry]

tbh they're just loud. There's a few that want em but mostly loud.

Not that the mons are bad.

[tame flax]

The Regis are pretty bad

[last knot]

i don't really understand folks wanting necrozma tbh - just seems like more power & not very interesting sprite possibility

[gentle ferry]

Honestly tho the propaganda that has most impressed me thus far has been Meloetta and Bruxish due to the actual spritework being done for em.

[last knot]

yeah, though regieleki could have some fun ones

[tame flax]

Necrozma along with kyurem are the only pokemon to have fused with others

[ebon glacier]

sprite potiental

[last knot]

ooooh bruxish! def was one of my higher votes, super neat stuff

[tame flax]

It just seems appropriate

Bruxish ain't getting in, it had 1 chance and no amount of votes can fix that now

[last knot]

fair with it being fused already, just seems like sprites would add black metallic plating and that's kinda it? though i suppose that's a fair amount of possibility

[last knot]

what do you mean?

[tame flax]

Scolipede was a staff vote, the ONLY staff vote, and the only time we heard about rankings, bruxish was near dead last

[gentle ferry]

I don't think it's getting in either but I wouldn't mind it getting in at this point. Still, gotta keep up personal support for my boi Gastrodon more than anything else.

[last knot]

oof, gotcha

[gentle ferry]

What info did we actually get about rankings btw? I thought we just knew starters were 2-4 with Stableye somehow beating them

[cinder oasis]

Tyrantrum had so so so many people vote for it so I wasn't surprised, it's also a pretty popular pokemon

[manic silo]

I'm back

[last knot]

it is?? honestly that kind of surprises me. it's....just a t-rex. which is ripe with neat sprites ideas so nvm i convinced myself

[tame flax]

If sv proved anything its that people love dinosaurs, even people who claim to love robots more love dinosaurs more

[cinder oasis]

All I know is that walrein or glalie are probably in the top twenty because Blaquaza mentioned it

[kindred knot]

[gentle ferry]

Still curious about this btw

[last knot]

if walrein makes it but meloetta or kartana doesn't i shall be v sad

[manic silo]

Gawrsh

[tame flax]

Bruxish was like 3rd from the bottom

[cinder oasis]

Blaquaza mentioned walrein and glalie and the rest is educated guesses

[thorny ferry]

BRUXISH FOR THE WIIIIIN

[gentle ferry]

Oh what did we know about Walrein and Glalie?

[ebon glacier]

not metallic, necrozma is a prism pokemon so it's made out of crystal or simply just glass. pretty unique

[tame flax]

I await the perish with bated breath

[last knot]

sharpedo would be neat - throw a bone to all the trans homies w sweet blåhaj

[manic silo]

Mr.Mime one is quite silly

[thorny ferry]

Unbased

[manic silo]

I would love to see Sharpedo

[thorny ferry]

Fr, it's in my top favourites

[gentle ferry]

Posting my latest little guy again

[last knot]

fair enough, i'm just not particularly partial to the "massive world threat" type mons

[manic silo]

Sharpedo fused with Mr.Mime

[cinder oasis]

Top 20

[cinder oasis]

I really want sharpedo to get in

[gentle ferry]

Neat. Well Walrein was to be expected I suppose I'd be shocked if they don't make it in the end.

[last knot]

buzzswole would be hysterical - though maybe a little too weird

[manic silo]

Lol

[last knot]

just wanna see regular mons but buff + fighting type

[lusty oxide]

[cinder oasis]

He only had access to it early on but he did mention them so I guarantee one of the two will get in

[manic silo]

We do a lil trolling

[last knot]

this surprises me, walrein is that popular around here??

[manic silo]

Pokemon get popular outta nowhere around here

[cinder oasis]

Ice type with good design

[lusty oxide]

This server is never logical

[last knot]

it gets thick fat right

[gentle ferry]

Spheal is just popular in general honestly, and there was a lot of ice type talk early on

[manic silo]

More Scraggy propaganda

[last knot]

oh DUH spheal i don't know how i separated the two, nvm spheal is adorable

dhelmise would be super interesting just to get old/overgrown/undersea thing but i'm not sure how many "object" mons there are that would have neat sprites with it

hawlucha for luchador wonderfulness

[ebon glacier]

I mean... it's better than a useless fish with no competitive use 😂

[summer apex]

"Strong" is not something we're lacking

[last knot]

bruxish would just be an interesting visual addition - color palette + big teeth. i think a decent split between weird sprites & comp useful stuff is fine

we have so many strong mons already

but i would DEF prefer sharpedo to bruxish if it came down to it

[ebon glacier]

true, but I doubt anyone would use it

[last knot]

oh i'm sure necrozma would get more use absolutely. just wanna throw a few design bones to the spriters for some weird stuff is all, but between the two necrozma is def more interesting to a LOT more people

[livid ridge]

also necrozmas ability is good

[last knot]

yeah, that's the part i find not super interesting, would rather have unique ability + typing or visuals than just "this ability is just very very good" regardless of fusion - but i acknowledge that probably isn't the most common sentiment

i mean i'm sure most of us have done gengar + slaking & other v powerful stuff like that

[livid ridge]

the ability is unique... also the fusions of it could look really cool but thats fair

[last knot]

it is technically unique, but doesn't change how you play, it's just... supereffective stuff does less damage. just not very exciting as an ability outside of power level, which i think we have a lot of access to already. but i concede that necrozma would have some neat sprites

necrozma + jirachi

[livid ridge]

oh yeah that would be sick

[cinder oasis]

Vote Abomasnow!

[last knot]

okay that's cute

[cinder oasis]

Also with Abomasnow you can make Obama

[last knot]

i just hope it isn't a bunch of 3 stage ones

[lethal roost]

"supereffective moves do less damage"
the Mr. Mime with Filter in question:

honestly I'd rather have a new ability that at least does something that's never, ever been done before

like uhhhhh water bubble as a horrifying demonic version of being Water-type or Shields Down as a horrifying demonic version of Stance Change

[last knot]

what mons on the list add abilities we don't have yet? or at least unique typing + ability?

golosipod seems like it could lead to some interesting ideas, if not v good ones, at least fun ones

[sharp sphinx]

new moves like geomancy obliviong wing, boomburst are worht noting too. Abilty wise theres mega launcehr from clawlitzer, and while not new gigaltih is a weatehr setter which is nice to have options for, and sharpedo has speed boost

[rancid lily]

thick fat with spheal line and gooey with goodra line

[sharp sphinx]

lycanrock has accelerock, victini v create

[last knot]

harvest would be good with Trevenant

[last knot]

that's a point i hadn't considered, i generally find a lot of the signature moves notsuper interesting, but Geomancy is def interesting

i gues weather is why torkoal might be popular(if it is)

[sharp sphinx]

boomburst is crazy with stuff with pixilate rerigerate etc as you ge to 168 power bre stab that's sound based at that with no donwside, and mega launcher can now be comboed with stab on aura sphere dark pulse dragon pulse or even origin pulse

[last knot]

that's actually pretty neat - which mon to add boomburst though? exploud is an oof design

[sharp sphinx]

noivern

[last knot]

ahh forgot noivern gets it - neat spriting possibilities too

[sharp sphinx]

yep lots

[last knot]

gets infiltrator too

[sharp sphinx]

yep, and 2 slots both of which can be great

[last knot]

that sylveon one is rad af

pixilate boomburst? & super cute?? yes pls

[sharp sphinx]

pixilate boomburst noivern for example hits incredibly hard and the fusions maintains 102 speed which is garchomp tier

[vestal monolith]

Did you think that I would be too busy spriting not to come in here and mention my boi?

[vestal monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-gif-25825783

[last knot]

yeah that's really fun, wish we got aerilate 😦

[sharp sphinx]

aurorus'd bring refrigerate and hail setting

[last knot]

what are y'alls top 5 to be added? personal opinions

[sharp sphinx]

slots or lines?

[last knot]

groups

[vestal monolith]

Seriously, though, we should get Mightyena in as the actual underdog of this whole event (or underhyena or whatever)

[sharp sphinx]

remaining, yveltal and xerneas, Sharpedo, spheal, excadrill, and noivern, would also like gigalith

tyrantrum got in already

[last knot]

ooh excadrill, always forget about spinny boi

[livid ridge]

torkoal, clawitzer, escavalier, golisopod, necrozma

[sharp sphinx]

great with sand teams, gurren laggan references, and fusion potential

[last knot]

i'm in for Sharpedo/Carvanha, Kartana, Golosipod, Meloetta, Noivern or Salazzle

[hardy timber]

Escavalier for sure, and I guess the others would be Zangoose, Clawitzer, Pangoro, and Golisopod.

[livid ridge]

woah another escavalier enjoyer

[last knot]

escavilier seems to have some neat spriting potential, but gosh i hate using that mon haha

[vestal monolith]

Mightyena, Blacephalon, Xurkitree, Salazzle and, uhhh, I know I had a better fifth, but I'll just say the Regis right now

[livid ridge]

the worst part about escavalier is evolving it but in IF trade evolutions are gone thank god

[last knot]

blacephalon? reasoning for that? no judgment just curious, i think candy/party favor fusions would be neat, curious why you would be in for that

[sharp sphinx]

sharpedo can be the cliff from pmd, a much needed shark, a rocket/missile. a menacing smile, and acool color shcheme, carvanah brngs a lot there too could be good for anglerfish

[last knot]

yeah i feel like same reason as tyrantrum - neat animal fusion potential

[vestal monolith]

I mean, if we're going for a Beast Boost Pokemon anyway, I know people really dig Stakataka or Kartana, but I think Blacephalon brings some interesting typing as well as incredible fusion material from a design standpoint

Same with Xurkitree, actually, though less on the typing and more so on the fusion designs

[last knot]

(i despise stakataka design pls no hate)

[vestal monolith]

I dunno, I've always been more fond of the aesthetics of Pokemon fusions rather than the actual combat potential, which is why I'm pushing Mightyena so hard

[last knot]

yeah that all makes sense

i mean with us having houndoom already it might be hard to sell folks on dark dog fusions - tho mightyena is v cute

[vestal monolith]

I get that, but honestly with Houndoom people would lean more towards the demon side of him

With Mightyena, you'd have more people going for the grunge or edgy designs instead

[lethal roost]

gogoat, golisopod, aurorus, lycanroc, dhelmise

[last knot]

yeah most of the sprites already do, & i think mightyena would be a fun addition for sure

[restive halo]

So based on Scolipede and Tyrantrum reveal/hint times, it seems we'll get a new reveal once a week.

[last knot]

i thought this was only for a short period of time like a few weeks?

[vestal monolith]

I even made a prototype for how cool Mightyena designs would be

[grim sand]

How do I get the game

[lethal roost]

basically

[restive halo]

Unless they speed it up soon, with 3/20 slots so far taken, it could take between 6-17 weeks to get results.

Or in other words, until the start of 2024.

[last knot]

yeah i think my brain made up that it was only gonna last like a month for voting lmao

[vestal monolith]

#downloads

[grim sand]

What do I do when I click on that

[restive halo]

Honestly tho, my gut feeling is legendaries if they get enough votes might be moved to a seperate update like starters did.

[last knot]

sure hope so - give the little ones more love, they deserve it

[vestal monolith]

#downloads message

[last knot]

any mons that y'all want but KNOW they won't make it in?

[lethal roost]

also, wanna point out real quick that a lot of signature moves are already in the game via move tutor, so adding like Xerneas would only add another source of Geomancy. I believe the tutor requirement for it rn is Celebi

[tame flax]

diggersby

[lethal roost]

gogoat, minior, cryogonal, sigilyph, slurpuff

[last knot]

i did not realize geomancy was already in tbh

[lethal roost]

yeah a lot of people just aren't aware of the signature move tutor

[vestal monolith]

I will fight to get Mightyena into the game, but it may be a losing battle. (It does not mean I will give up, however)

[grim sand]

OML CAN SOMEONE ACTUALLY TELL ME HOW TOO GET THE GAME INSTEAD OF THT #downloads BS

[vestal monolith]

That is literally how you get the game

[grim sand]

It not work

[vestal monolith]

I cannot emphasize more that you literally follow the instructions there

[tame flax]

oh he aint getting in, theres an actualy dog for dog aesthetic and krookodile does what he does better all around

[last knot]

yeah no hate, but if i had the choices i would reove diggersby from the colective unconscious and then delete its every existence - encroaching on Lopunny territoy in a very looney tunes way that gives me uncomfy vibes lmao 😂

[vestal monolith]

Are we seriously going to do this again?

[lethal roost]

i would love Mightyena but

[cinder oasis]

Where's Abomasnow?

[lethal roost]

in "i want every other snow warning user before it" tier

[restive halo]

I am shocked no one did an Obamasnow meme fusion yet.

[lethal roost]

Aurorus is a Snow Warning haver btw

it's just HA and Ability Balls are specifically a pain in the ass and don't work all the time

[cinder oasis]

I would rather use refrigerate than snow warning

[last knot]

Aurorus seems more fun to make sprites for tbh BUT that abomasnow Venusaur fusion was neat

[vestal monolith]

I still say that Mightyena has plenty of charm by himself, and I will continue to battle for his right to get in, even if others think it's in vain

[restive halo]

100% Aurorus is in my top 5 most wanted.

[lethal roost]

yeaah abomasnow should go up on my tierlist i think just like... i don't know why I put it so loww

[vestal monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-mightyenatuesday-gif-25825745

[grim sand]

Is it cus I'm not on pc

[lethal roost]

oh yeah if you're on mobile this game barely works

[last knot]

yeah this is not really a mobile game

[vestal monolith]

Yeah, what they said

[grim sand]

Fml

[lethal roost]

you need JoiPlay and even then they cannot help you with any problems you have

[thorny ferry]

based sigilyph voter

[last knot]

i've tried on a fairly decent phone and it still suuucked

[lethal roost]

tierlist updated:
-abomasnow moved up to "wouldn't be mad" from "eehhhh" i don't know why I had it in the badtiers it didn't deserve that

now it's in the ambivalence tier, as it deserves

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[last knot]

i think pheremosa being a choice at all is insulting to meloetta

[thorny ferry]

no thanks tier 😔

[cobalt nebula]

Maractus is at eh. This is sad

[cinder oasis]

Just vote cacturne instead

[lethal roost]

ok actually yeah that one really should be up further although i do like cacturne more

[last knot]

i think with Scolipede confirmed(lovely btw), drapion has absolutely no chance

[lethal roost]

[sharp sphinx]

sharpedo is too low

[thorny ferry]

kiwi about to announce drapion is getting in;

[last knot]

if drapion gets in over sharpedo i'ma scribble furiously on some paper & get over it but still be sad

[lethal roost]

sharpedo is exactly where i like it tbh, i think it's a cool one but it's not Super Important for me

[sharp sphinx]

was trying to camapign for 'ím before too :/ ah well scolipedes pretty cool

[viscid mica]

only water type pokemon that i want in is wishiwashi but sharpedo would be cool too ig

[sharp sphinx]

but what if it could be proplleded by a hoppip propeller

[tame flax]

sometimes this game barely works on pc its so huge

[cinder oasis]

I wonder if wishiwashis other form will be an evolution instead

[lethal roost]

that sounds like barraskewda with extra steps

[last knot]

it would never ever ever get in but i would love the various moon themed fusions with Cresselia

[lethal roost]

hoppip isnt even my favorite pokemon i only have this pfp because hoppip looks like polite cat

[vestal monolith]

I'll accept that position for Mightyena, though a 3 for the good boi would still be welcomed

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-gif-25825783

[lethal roost]

my thing with mightyena is that as much as i want it I think Furfrou and Lycanroc offer more

sometimes people say "theres too many dogmons!!!" theres like 2 lines and that's not enough

[last knot]

kartana deserves higher if only for the absurdly high fusion potential - everything just origami

[lethal roost]

I think Kartana is where I like it, in terms of UB preference

[last knot]

totally fair! i just despise stakataka with my whole being

[cinder oasis]

Stakataka and blacephalon I really don't like

[sharp sphinx]

somebody stepped on a lego

[last knot]

i would rather step on a billion legos than play with stakataka

[sharp sphinx]

not particularly into it myself though

[lethal roost]

funny thing about that i had an epiphany and swapped the positions of Buzzwole and Blacephalon recently to where they are now

[last knot]

it's just BRICKS and not even INTERESTING BRICKS 😤

[viscid mica]

gonna repost this

[lethal roost]

no slurpuff desert fusions?

[vestal monolith]

I understand your position and I appreciate your honest yet respectful opinion. I prefer that over people telling me my choice is bad and utterly pointless like Ainz keeps doing

[viscid mica]

i hate slurpuff in general

[lethal roost]

also no 🐐 ? so sad 😔

[last knot]

reasoning for gemplay desire for Seviper and Zangoose????

[viscid mica]

seviper contrary

[lethal roost]

yeah fr sometimes when I bring up Furfrou I just get this weird reaction and it's a bit frustrating

[last knot]

furfrou is adorable don't listen to people

[sharp sphinx]

pretty sure lycanroc takes 2 slots total, the other 2 are same mon and Ithought orircorio was 1, also move tyrantrum to made it

[vestal monolith]

Furfrou is a good little guy

[thorny ferry]

can I change your opinion on bruxish?

[lethal roost]

uhhh tierlist update
-maractus moves up to Wouldn't Be Mad from eehhhh, I don't know why it was so low
-bruxish moves up to eehhhh from no thanks, I respect the grind

[sharp sphinx]

wonder why they give snakes contrary so much

[last knot]

how are y'al finding the template for the tierlist

[lethal roost]

yeah Oricorio is 1 slot, it's been confirmed

[sharp sphinx]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-fusion-new-pokemon-16034815

[thorny ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[lethal roost]

thing is like Minior and Furfrou would've greatly benefited from their alt forms being shown on the vote, as would Lycanroc, but then people would falsely assume they'd take 8/10/4 slots respectively

thats kind of exactly the thing that happened with oricorio

actually i forgot i promised i'd put pachirisu upways very slightly, it's not The Worst pikaclone

[crude garden]

https://tenor.com/view/goomy-pokemon-ice-cream-gif-24661454

If I had to add a pikaclone from the available options, I would probably go with pachirisu, he's got a nice color palette

I would choose morpeko if it were available

[lethal roost]

yeah morpeko's better but we cant have him

[last knot]

wow doing this tierlist made me feel like a hater'

keep in my this is an opinion, i am flawed

[fast ruin]

Dang, that's a lot of "actively do not want these"

[last knot]

that's what made me feel like a hater 😭 bc i actually like a lot of those but i just wouldn't care for them in IF

[cobalt nebula]

You don’t get a react sir, you get the full emote

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[fast ruin]

Make a seperate tier called "don't care" and put those you don't actively dislike into it.
That way it doesn't seem like you hate everything.

[craggy lynx]

Fuck predicting who's gonna be next, who do you think will be the LAST to be announced?

[thorny ferry]

let's gooooooo

[fast ruin]

The legendaries, if any.

[last knot]

no but i actively don't want those in IF, it isn't that i hate any of them. but like, i'm NEVER EVER EVER gonna fuse manaphy

i think guzzlord is neat but poses too many spriting challenges that would take away from other more deserving mons, etc

[lethal roost]

no slurpuff dessert fusions?

[last knot]

like i said, i actually really like a lot of them, but this is through a lens of IF

[lethal roost]

also re: get those goats up they're not awful fusion-wise or gameplay-wise

[cinder oasis]

Make Torkoal 3

[fast ruin]

Manaphy is such a travesty honestly.
It has some potential with tail glow and stuff, but nooo, it had to bring Phione with it, which is literally Manaphy Minus and a total waste of a slot.

[cobalt nebula]

Go vote for the G.O.A.T

[last knot]

i think blacephalon can function similarly with the candy theme, but i'm not big on slurpuff's design at all tbh

[craggy lynx]

It's probably either the XY trio of the regi trio, these two trios seems to be more likely to get in, judging from how they're treated in this chat

[lethal roost]

candy cane blacephalon for delibird, maybe, but uhhhhh i dont know about anything else

[last knot]

actually that'sa good point - also a major reason i don't want it, it would move up a tier if it was alone

[lethal roost]

gogoat's coverage is actually nuts though it feels like a gen 1 mon

[cobalt nebula]

I wish. But many people here in this chat hate the Regi’s

[fast ruin]

This chat is not indicative of the vote. Most people probably just vote and don't even know it exists.

[zinc cave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141644528097427546/Micheal_Jackson.gif

[thorny ferry]

idk if this is a popular opinion (at least I hope so) but I think basically every mon has good enough potential to be in the game, all of them actually have something that would be cool to have in the game ||except the lake trio, manaphy and phione, fuck em||

[lethal roost]

nah there's basically two camps of people in chat when it comes to regis:

regi enjoyers and regi haters. i don't think anyone's actually ambivalent on this

[zinc cave]

im neutral to regis

[lethal roost]

LIES

[last knot]

idk, any of the legendaries that share slots feel like a waste - if they were indivudal you would see more variation on where people want them i feel

[fast ruin]

I don't hate the regis, I just won't vote for three of them.

[cobalt nebula]

https://youtu.be/fz-EMD5mUuo

[craggy lynx]

To be honest... We have Regigigas and Golurk, do we really need more golem pokemon?
I mean they're cool, but still, i'd much rather have others

[last knot]

but like FOUR slots for the tapus??? no way

[lethal roost]

yeah like for me i'd vote registeel instantly if it was alone but together? man

[zinc cave]

if they get in cool, i do think they take a lotta slots tho

[cinder oasis]

Yveltal and xerneas are cool

[last knot]

yeah they have neat design potential & are only two which is why they're higher for me

[zinc cave]

mhmmm more reason why i like ultra beasts

[lethal roost]

oh i forgot to repost my mildly changed opinion:
-pachirisu moves from "no thanks" up to "eehhhh" it's not that bad ig

[craggy lynx]

Man i kinda doubt about wanting Gogoat, i mean goat fusions are cool and all, but it comes with Skiddo, and let's be real here, does anyone care about Skiddo over Gogoat?

[last knot]

the manaphy problem

[lethal roost]

skiddo's pretty different from it

[atomic lagoon]

i think a lot of the Regis have too close of designs to eachother

[last knot]

skiddo actively detracts from it imo - same with phione

[lethal roost]

primarily in color scheme and horn shape and not having the flair

[fast ruin]

Every Ultra Beast is at least a 2 for me.
They allow for insane creativity both gameplay wise and design wise and only take up a slot for each of them.
(Except Guzzlord, but just bexause I personally dislike it)

[cobalt nebula]

The only similarity is their dot eyes and they are humanoid. Other then that their pallets are different and they offer different fusion potential

[novel hedge]

Personally, Ultra beasts would be AWESOME to see

[lethal roost]

skiddo is worth it for gogoat, whereas phione is not worth it for manaphy, i think

[zinc cave]

based

[thorny ferry]

you feel obligated to raise your vote to bruxish...

[atomic lagoon]

buzzswole my beloved

[livid ridge]

how? i already voted it 3

[thorny ferry]

then give it a 4

[lethal roost]

like that's the consideration with every line "how many slots am i willing to drop"

same thing for Claydol, no one's going to do anything with Baltoy but I think Claydol is worth it

[last knot]

i mostly agree with one major excedption - i think guzzlord is way too complex and spriters will spend a lot more time to make guzzlord fusions look remotely neat and i'd rather that time be spent on other fusions that could loo just as neat with less complexity

[atomic lagoon]

i feel bad since some of these sprites are pretty great

[cobalt nebula]

): I like Baltoy though. It’s my second favorite Pokémon

[zinc cave]

ultra beasts, massively creative + 1 slot + good stats + beast boost

[cinder oasis]

Sounds like cap

[fast ruin]

I added an appendix for guzzlord

[lethal roost]

also, and this is a very important counterpoint for guzzlord:

this is perfectly legal for fusion concepts

[thorny ferry]

true, I really like how some other spriters made theirs

[craggy lynx]

The reason why i still vote for Gogoat, is because, Skiddo could probably be focused on more "cutesy" fusions while Gogoat can focus on more "sick" fusions

[last knot]

definitely! that's neat, but i think the vast majority of guzzlord sprites will be slightly different recolors.

[atomic lagoon]

knowing that bruxish probably won't get in and these sprites will be lost to the wind

[last knot]

that's a good point

[cobalt nebula]

There’s also this which is ingame and screams for the Regi’s

[lethal roost]

yeah it's an insult to skiddo to compare it to phione tbh, they're different. not as different as i'd like but far enough that there's An Existence there

[last knot]

yeah that was a bad take on my part lol

[fast ruin]

On the topic of ultra beasts, which is your top pick, which your bottom one and why?

[lethal roost]

i will say there have been no skiddo fusions yet but i think people are focusing on that 🐐

[iron quartz]

why compare it to the worst mythical? legendary? ever created

[last knot]

Kartana EASY, bc origami & typing + attack stat

[lethal roost]

Xurkitree at the top because I always loved it and think it'd be neat to have wires everywhere

Pheromosa at the bottom because absofuckinglutely not

[craggy lynx]

If i have to pick a ultra beast, it's Xurcitree (or whatever it's called)

Such a unique design can do so much for fusion designs

[iron quartz]

Xurkitree bettter.

[last knot]

pheremosa is an insult to meloetta, said it better & say it again

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/ennard-creepy-fnaf-gif-24406317

[rough hound]

been cooking up some new spritework, check out #1143341201563586652 to see what i made as an alternate dragalge base!

[iron quartz]

does Necrozma count as a UB??

[lethal roost]

yeah if i want any explicitly humanshaped mons i'd want meloetta or maybe blacephalon

[zinc cave]

top is blaceph lowest is hard

[cobalt nebula]

Mine JR and Xurkit

[lethal roost]

in the manga, yes. in the anime, kinda. in the games, no.

[iron quartz]

...so inbetween

[lethal roost]

so basically it's Schroedinger's UB and you can call it whatever you want

[zinc cave]

i want as many ultra beasts as possible

[livid ridge]

honestly every ub would be freaking amazing in the game (except celesteela)

[craggy lynx]

Lowest UB would be Zeraora, i don't hate the guy but like, compared to others, he's just a boring fursona

[iron quartz]

yeah
sounds like it

[lethal roost]

he's a mythical, not a UB

[rough hound]

top is probably stakataka, bottom is DEFINITELY celesteela

[hard token]

pheromosa is my fav poke oat but bottom is super hard... ill have to go with naganadel

[zinc cave]

zeraora is boring but not ultra beast

[craggy lynx]

What

[last knot]

the only UBs i actively dont want are pheremosa & stakataka

[livid ridge]

zeraora isnt an ub

[craggy lynx]

What do you mean it isn't a ultra beast?

[fast ruin]

Honestly, I would be fine with Pheromosa.
Mainly because it would allow "those people" to move on from Gardevoir and I won't be looked at funny anymore for using the latter in my runs.

That and jesus christ that minmaxed statline.

[zinc cave]

celesteela is cool tho

[lethal roost]

in no way is Zeraora a UB

[livid ridge]

why not? pheromosa could have some great fusions and stakataka even more so i respect ur opinions i just wanna know why

[rough hound]

so are all the others. my question for you is, what kind of fusions could it make?

[cinder oasis]

Stakataka is so bad for fusions imo

[craggy lynx]

Oh

[iron quartz]

Probably saw the anime and saw it through the guzzlord ep

[hard token]

all the ub have insane fusion potential

[thorny ferry]

not really, it has some crazy potential

[iron quartz]

ZELDAAAA

[craggy lynx]

Yes

[lethal roost]

In Pokémon the Movie: The Power of Us: Zeraora's Story, Zeraora is described as having been born in an explosion caused by a lightning bolt striking the mouth of an erupting volcano.

what the fuck is this backstory lol

[rough hound]

i like the grafitti fusions tbh

[iron quartz]

that is metal

[last knot]

pheremosa is a worse meloetta(opinion) and meloetta has had some incredible designs already, i just hate stakataka, it's JUST BRICKS. i know there's possibility there but i just personallky don't wanna se a bunch of brickmons

[cinder oasis]

It's gonna be a big rectangle in every fusion

[lethal roost]

i kinda want zeraora for the body but the head is just Raikou 2: the sequel we never needed

[livid ridge]

i guess thats fair

[hard token]

calling phmosa a meloetta is CRAZYYY idk i dont see how theyre the same

[thorny ferry]

how the mfs at the pokemon company felt after making that story:

[rough hound]

ayo anyone wanna see the new spritework ive been cooking up?

[craggy lynx]

Celesteela would also be a sick UB pick

[last knot]

humanoid "arts" fighting type

[cinder oasis]

Humanoid with similar girly features

[hard token]

damn guess meloetta is a gardevoir clone

[lethal roost]

like straight up the heads on this would just be Raikou but uninteresting

if you're voting a mythical please vote meloetta or diancie or like maybe magearna or hoopa thx

[zinc cave]

i wouldnt say all pokemon that are humanoid and fem are the same

[last knot]

if we're gonna get another humanoid feminine mon, meloetta just seems like way more potential

[thorny ferry]

no, it can have some building related fusions, including things like grafitti and stuff like that, or maybe even making rooms like chandelure/stakataka

[hard token]

yea its stupid asf 😭 😭 😭

[zinc cave]

literally a raikou lucario

[rough hound]

ok, you found one. now tell me how itd fuse with ariados, machamp, and blastoise (just random mons)

[last knot]

i say this as a girl, & i don't wanna give more fuel to THOSE people

[livid ridge]

it wouldnt, because it sucks

[thorny ferry]

imagine stuff like these but with other mons, it would be pretty interesting

[lethal roost]

Celesteela feels like a nightmare to design for outside of specific niches

[last knot]

regardless, i love how this discussion shows that so many mons are pretty neat & have lots of potential

[livid ridge]

like its body shape is so freaking weird. doesnt work for either head or body fusions. the only mon imo that is so freaking awful id rather have the monkeys than it

[hard token]

you do know that sprites are filtered through right, that stuff shouldnt change how you view mons

[rough hound]

i believe someones currently working on meloetta/stakataka, where its a wrecking ball reference

[lethal roost]

Actually no if you're going to vote for a new mythical vote for him i promise it'd be very very funny

[last knot]

it doesn't actually affect my opinion lol, that's mostly just exaggeration 😛

[craggy lynx]

Okay, now that i found out that for whatever reason, Zeraora has never been a UB, here's my top and lowest pick

Top picks: Xurkitree, Celesteela, Kartana, Nihilego
Low picks: Stakataka, Necrozma (If that's a UB lol), Pheromosa

[livid ridge]

based.

[lethal roost]

i mean its better than manaphy at this stage

[hard token]

also this is the same game that has milktank fusions so idk how this is even a concern ☠️ ☠️ ☠️

[thorny ferry]

won't tolerate any staka slander

[rough hound]

wanna know who can fuse with a ton of mons? dragalge!

and speaking of, heres a WIP custom base im working on for em =)

[last knot]

bc i hate those fusions too :3

[livid ridge]

very coolio

[lethal roost]

if Miltank-style fusions are a concern for you I would go back to your vote and vote 0 on Stunky/Skuntank

just... trust me it's not going to be good if they get in

[zinc cave]

Blastoise a whole artillery of cannons, Machamp 4 floating bamboo rocket arms, Ariados rocket spider

[lethal roost]

they're in the Nightmare Scenario tier on my list for a reason

[thorny ferry]

I love this sprite ||I can already imagine the potential this line has for head fusions ||

[hard token]

me2 🤝

[craggy lynx]

Dragalge is a better Corsola, which is why it should be in the game

[livid ridge]

so unebelievably based

[fast ruin]

Reasons for each UB

• Nihilego: Can make lovecraftian horrors
• Buzzswole: Can make absolute beefcakes
• Pheromosa: Another option for humanoid fusions beside Gardevoir
• Xurkitree: Allows for electrical engineering
• Kartana: Can make origami
• Celesteela: Can make both mechs and spaceships, also adds bamboo aesthetic
• Guzzlord: not you
• Naganadel: Another bee/wasp besides beedrill, with actual stats
• Stakataka: Can make buildings
• Blascephalon: Allows for clown/circus theminh

[thorny ferry]

weird take but ok

[rough hound]

vote dragicroadon and youll have unique bases to work with, im making sure of it. im planning to make one for each member and their prevos!

[last knot]

based guzzlord take

[livid ridge]

it should be in the game, but dont you freakin dare slander my boy corsola like that

[zinc cave]

none of the waifu pokemon that can be put in will be worse than miltanks imo

[rough hound]

what is a rocket spider, and how does it represent machamp besides having 4 arms

[thorny ferry]

every ub can make lovecraftian fusions
except kartana

[lethal roost]

Blacephalon also has fireworks and the same color palette as Bruxish for those who fear the rise of The Beast

[sharp sphinx]

yeah but it'll be more potentially creepy and less haha this is cursed

[livid ridge]

yeah kartana just makes epic origami/knife fusions

[craggy lynx]

I will probably end up slander more pokemon, whether intentionally or not

[hard token]

literally, and the ones that are already in haven't even spawned any weird shit ppl are just outing themselves 😭

[last knot]

honestly these are all good takes - i don't like pheremosa but these are good

[novel hedge]

A Buzzwole and Machamp fusion would be goated

[sharp sphinx]

think they meant this

[lethal roost]

yeah a while back someone said they'd be scared of a Trevenant/Gardevoir dryad and I was like "no thats badass excuse me????"

[livid ridge]

i mean, corsola is pretty mid but its fusions are so freakin good

[rough hound]

=3

[sharp sphinx]

sharpedo can be a missile reminder

[livid ridge]

that looks cool but that can be ariados/blastoise no need for ugly bamboo leek rocket spindly neck atrocity

[last knot]

yeah i want that a lot now

[lethal roost]

im really tempted to get to work spriting that for that matter, but have been procrastinating

[sharp sphinx]

vote sharpedo

[livid ridge]

name one pokemon that would look bad with when fused with gardevoir, i'll wait.

[sharp sphinx]

vote noivern woops replied wrong sec

[hard token]

yea thats sick asf ppl are just terminally online

[rough hound]

mr mime

[zinc cave]

gimme like half an hour to do doodles but machamp something like this

[sinful sky]

Miltank

[livid ridge]

FRICK

[fast ruin]

I just want one/two ultra beasts in the game.
My top picks are Xurkitree and Celesteela, the latter one being a fairly unusual pick, I know.

[sharp sphinx]

vote noivern, pics slightly down

[last knot]

i think buzzwole has the funniest potential of the UBs

[zinc cave]

shes a funny one

[livid ridge]

fr

[lethal roost]

eh these are pretty good but they're alts

[livid ridge]

also beast boost is fire

[last knot]

like beefcake gardevoir?? muscle mommy??

[rough hound]

i love buzzwole, but what can it do that machamp cant?

[craggy lynx]

Probopass maybe

[fast ruin]

Buzzwole and Machamp for U L T I M A T E F L E X

[livid ridge]

oh those actually look good what the heck

[last knot]

absolutely nothing, but i just don't enjoy machamp

[zinc cave]

buzzwole is the secret waifu mon because only female mosquitos suck blood

[livid ridge]

red and blue gardevoir with mustache. i see nothing wrong with that

[rough hound]

yknow what, thats fair, carry on

[sharp sphinx]

is that true in their dimension too?

[lethal roost]

also like none of the mime head/gard bodies are that bad

[sharp sphinx]

mario?

[livid ridge]

better color scheme, bug theme, four legs, beast boost

[last knot]

LIES, EVERY mr mime head is AWFUL

[lethal roost]

i love silly clowns vote blacephalon for more silly clowns

[fast ruin]

I absolutely want this made right now

[zinc cave]

also buzzwole you guys forget is a mosquito centaur

[last knot]

disgusting blue clown ears smh

[lethal roost]

pffffff ok these are funny

[sinful sky]

Woah those are good

[rough hound]

good ones! i always like hearing what makes a mon unique and worthy of the game

[last knot]

i think buizel would be cute just to give a bunch of mons floaties, beach vibes

[hard token]

both of them are so cool, top 2 for me are mosa and nihilego, could spawn some beautiful fusions

[lethal roost]

i like buizel but man it's really similar to floatzel

like not entirely the same but too close for my liking. however, beach party themed fusions are very important

[livid ridge]

i think every mon has something cool and unique about it that makes it a good addition to the game! (except celesteela ew)

[last knot]

oops meant the evolved one lol

[zinc cave]

on average i just prefer humanoid poke cuz i always imagine it be cool to strike a pose with them after winning a battle

[rough hound]

lmao, but yea same. i just like hearing people talk about why they like that mon =)

[livid ridge]

based

[last knot]

heavy agree

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/swablu-altaria-pokemon-birb-bird-gif-12157582

[livid ridge]

yes we need altaria

[nocturne current]

We do

[lethal roost]

you MUST like the same thing I do or I will kill God and add Gogoat myself!!!

[paper pasture]

Altaria kinda a no brainer

[fast ruin]

Fluffy birb <3

[last knot]

altaria for cute cloud mons is lovely

[rough hound]

all my current bases and fusions ive made for propoganda. this is why i love these mons

[nocturne current]

there is so much potential

[last knot]

i want Hawlucha for the full lucha lineup tho it probably wont make it in 😭

[livid ridge]

dragalge has so much potential

[lethal roost]

yeah if Altaria gets in it'd be a banger

[fast ruin]

Oh wait I haven't posted propaganda in a while

[zinc cave]

and yeh its fun hearing why people like a mon,
like say what you want about those waifumon fans, you know the ones, but you cant deny that most of them do have good and fun designs

[livid ridge]

heres some escavalier/swalot propaganda anyways bye

[cinder oasis]

Meh

[nocturne current]

ooh that one is cool

[lethal roost]

escavalier sweep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fast ruin]

5 + 5 reasons to vote for Xerneas/Yveltal

1. Only fairy type legendary available

2. Geomancy for everyone!

3. Interesting supportive ability

4. Amazing fusion potential as both head and body

5. It's a rainbow deer, what else do you want

6. Cool Death Bird

7. O B L I V I O N W I N G

8. Also an interesting supportive ability
   4: Turn everything into the harbinger of death

9. Can also be an emergency breakfast

[hushed mantle]

Dragalge looks very hard to sprite with

[lethal roost]

we have geomancy and oblivion wing at home

[fast ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[nocturne current]

completely agree with xerneas and yveltal they would have amazing fusions

though you could make good fusions with most pokemon tbh

except bruxish, nobody can make a good bruxish fusion

[last knot]

what mon do y'all think would absolutely no way never ever ever get voted in?

[rough hound]

should my next work be the gastrodon base i have planned, or something with dragalge as a body?

[lethal roost]

the special move tutor lets you teach geomancy to any mon fused with celebi and oblivion wing to mons with other parameters

...it's still about as effective as the "we have X at home" meme though so add xern and yveltal anyway

[zinc cave]

oricorio

[lethal roost]

also Xerneas isn't the only fairy-type legend but absolutely no one is voting for tapus for 4 slots

[craggy lynx]

Watchog, i don't think it's crazy for me to say this, i mean, even the elemental monkeys have a better chance to get in than Watchog

[last knot]

yeah it's in my "delete" tier 😂

[ancient falcon]

vote heatran

[white meadow]

all the Oricorios are like 4 slots, but it also gives us a lot of dance-themed options

[cinder oasis]

Alolamola, illumise and volbeat and bruxish

[lethal roost]

Oricorio is not 4 slots it was confirmed.

[craggy lynx]

Still more memorable than Watchog

[ancient falcon]

heatran would be goated

[last knot]

ori is 1 slot right?

[cinder oasis]

It's 1 actually

[rough hound]

yeah lol, yungoos too

[cobalt nebula]

It’s 1

[white meadow]

IT'S NOT?!

[fast ruin]

Elemental Monkeys.

They take 6 slots.

They are extremely weak.

And they are boring.

Pretty much a death sentence

[hard token]

oricorio is one of my picks, i hope it gets in but i think ppl passed on it thinking it was 4 slots

[zinc cave]

i just know i am defintitely not voting any pokemon that are just animals

[lethal roost]

yes someone pinged mods a couple days ago to ask and they said no

[white meadow]

then WE SHOULD vote them

[hard token]

has crazy potential (the most of any mon imo) with the 4 forms

[cinder oasis]

Vote torkoal for the drought

[hard token]

true......

[craggy lynx]

AYO

[nocturne current]

hUh

[ancient falcon]

<@&306953740651462656>

[zinc cave]

bro

[white meadow]

it would be the equivalent of getting 4 eeveelutions for the price of 1

[fast ruin]

W H A-

[rough hound]

bruhhhhhh

[lethal roost]

i mean.... 10 forms is better than 4

[zinc cave]

bouta get banned immediately

[wintry imp]

That makes legitimently no sense - each of the different forms have a different typing

[nocturne current]

will shygal be added in next update ??? (NEW POKEMON LEAK_)

[winged bear]

ty

[craggy lynx]

Blud is trynna get banned 💀

[zinc cave]

i trusted you olimar

[lethal roost]

no other mon with forms in this game has more than 1 slot why would that change just for oricorio

[paper pasture]

Top 20 no brainer (not my personal preferences but I am probs biased)
1-2 altaria
3 diancie or meloetta (I don't see both of em imo)
4-6 goodra line
7-9 1 to 3 ultra beasts maybe staka and blace
10-11 Seviper and zangoose
12. Shaymin
13-14 ONE more fossil set
15 sigilyph or dhelmise (weirdo one stage rep wooo)
16-18 snorunt line
19-20 gastrodon or abamasnow line

[wintry imp]

[paper pasture]

Like what is probably popular

[wintry imp]

As far as I'm aware the pokemon in the game currently don't change type with their different forms.

[zinc cave]

i aint a big torcoal fan tbh i rather vote turtonator for being more interesting

[white meadow]

can we ping moderators to ban Olimar?

[lethal roost]

the most I'll say is that Oricorio kinda gets screwed over because its Revelation Dance will get messed up

[nocturne current]

Diancie over meloetta for sure (imo)this is a very good list (altaria bias)

[ancient falcon]

did already

[white meadow]

deserved

[last knot]

we already have the turtle starter which has INCREDIBLE fusions

[livid ridge]

whuh i left for like 5 minutes what happened?

[cinder oasis]

Altaria no, staka and blace no, sigilyph no, Abomasnow no, shaymin no.

[raw bison]

Yeah that was sure something open the metaphorical door onto

[zinc cave]

boob jumpscare

[paper pasture]

In what world is altaria not getting in

[ancient falcon]

guys we neeed heatran and guzzlord

[livid ridge]

awh i missed it! kidding kidding

[lethal roost]

the primary type-changers are the Megas and Regionals, the latter are exclusively alted though

[nocturne current]

a bad world

[cinder oasis]

I don't think it is

[paper pasture]

It's at min a staff pick

[hushed mantle]

Olimar slander will not be tolerated

[fast ruin]

Based except for maybe the second fossil set, I don't want the voting to be overrun with fossild.

[zinc cave]

mhmm i just dont see it as worth it

[last knot]

i don't think goodra is super popular - relatively odd sprites + 3 slots - even though i'd love it

[lethal roost]

the other Major Major one is Rotom not having its alt forms counted which I should have said sooner, yes

[livid ridge]

we should ban louie instead fr

[cinder oasis]

Thats not our votes then bruh so don't mention it

[last knot]

no like it's already IN the game

[paper pasture]

Bruv hates whimsy and fun

[cinder oasis]

True

[livid ridge]

based torkoal enjoyer 🤝

[cinder oasis]

We NEED drought

[hard token]

ok but ... consider pom pom..... (w propaganda)

[zinc cave]

yeah thats why i dont see it as worth it torterra is cooler

[ancient falcon]

groudon has drought

[livid ridge]

shhhhhhh

[frozen oyster]

Slurpuff for Dessert fusions tho. Plus unburden, belly drum and fairy typing

[lethal roost]

yeah ive got oricorio pretty high

[paper pasture]

We should just get jumpluff 2 tbh

[cinder oasis]

That's a legendary my guy you are not getting that till post game

[hard token]

man i would vote furfrou if it wasnt a dog 😭

[last knot]

turtonator doesn't get drought does it?

[lone dome]

We need more cute mons like Fomantis

[paper pasture]

It's so good it deserves a sequel

[wintry imp]

Mega'

[ancient falcon]

til halfway you mean

[lethal roost]

whats wrong with dogs? there are only 2 lines of quadruped dogs in this game

[cinder oasis]

No

[lethal roost]

ok i forgot to reply-ping you for this but Rotom. Rotom is the answer to your question.

[zinc cave]

im kinda hoping at least 1 or 2 waifumon becauase im tired of gardevoirs tbh

[wintry imp]

Mega's come as fusion sprites, and regionals don't exist at this point.

[last knot]

i was replying to someone who said turtonator - i think torkoal is good

[wintry imp]

I didn't think of Rotom.

[last knot]

vote meloetta!

[white meadow]

if Olimar will post nsfw content then Olimar should be punished for it

[nocturne current]

diancie over meloetta

[lethal roost]

yeah rotom is pretty much oricorio but beforeways. it's the same mechanic.

[cobalt nebula]

I must sleep. Vote Regi. Gn

[frozen oyster]

By the logic of voting for stuff we don't already have, we should vote for Gogoat, and grumpig

[cinder oasis]

Wrong, you get it postgame.

[hot grove]

So true bestie

[last knot]

reasoning? no hate just curious

[lone dome]

Vote for Fomantis line!

[paper pasture]

I play pikmin for the pikmin anyways (I don't play pikmin)

[wintry imp]

I think the issue there though is that Rotom has a base form, whereas Oricorio doesn't

[zinc cave]

i did, pheromosa too i like their typing and beast boost

[lethal roost]

i mean we should vote for gogoat, gogoat is always morally correct

[nocturne current]

just personally prefer the design nothing crazy and i like them both

[last knot]

can someone post the meloetta fusions that have been shown? forgot to save the image

[paper pasture]

Anyways real gs vote druddigon

[ancient falcon]

wrong

[zinc cave]

would pheramosa and meloetta just be lady gaga?

[cinder oasis]

You get it in postgame

[frozen oyster]

This is true. Gogoat good. Grumpig is maybe if we don't get Emboar.

[paper pasture]

Once I get my druddigon sitting cutie its over for yall

[hot grove]

This is the post that brought me here so im gonna repost it

[white meadow]

ÜN ÜN ÜN

[rough hound]

Yall, should i fuse something with this new dragalge base (if so, what?) or turn this card into a gastrodon alt (since otherwise you cant have east and west forms at the same time due to slots n alts n stuff)

[paper pasture]

Ün ün ün**

[last knot]

yeah see like THE POTENTIAL

[nocturne current]

alright the fusions are very nice

[zinc cave]

you can get every pokemon before post game with the black market

[cinder oasis]

That sounds tedious and don't care

[lethal roost]

i guess Oricorio might take whichever one is classified as Form 0 ingame (base form) but I don't recall which it is

alternatively one mod floated the idea that it'd always pass on Flying type to evade the issue

[zinc cave]

i got a latios before i beat the league so im happy with that

[hot grove]

You pay money and you get the pokemon iirc i dont think thats tedious

[paper pasture]

That's pretty banger

[cinder oasis]

65 grand a day for random pokemon

[zinc cave]

i also got arceus and a few others

a day? bro the hotel is next door and every day rerandomizes

[cinder oasis]

In game I meant

[hot grove]

The hotel lets you skip days

[zinc cave]

yeh, you dont have to spend 65 grand every day

[cinder oasis]

That's how much it is to buy one pokemon

[paper pasture]

This argument is tedious but ye black market alr

[zinc cave]

yeh but you dont need by one every day only when you like one

[lethal roost]

i still think it's worth it to have more accessible weather setters and Torkoal isn't that bad

[paper pasture]

Like the whole thing was "can you get x before post game" and then the goalpost was moved

[lethal roost]

Torkoal is fine. there is nothing wrong with it.

[cinder oasis]

Torkoal is the most needed weather setter ngl

[paper pasture]

Torkoal is baby

[last knot]

wish we had bulkier hail setters

[lethal roost]

i mean... we still don't have Snow Warning but you do you?

[zinc cave]

mhmm any way i like when pokemon have lots of unique designs

[livid ridge]

i agree

[cinder oasis]

Delibird?

[lethal roost]

...delibird doesn't get snow warning?

[zinc cave]

i dont care as much for battle viability

[cinder oasis]

It does

[paper pasture]

Snow warning is needed, also isn't delibird vital spirit and vital spirit with a different name

[lethal roost]

what.

[frozen oyster]

Insomnia yeah

[last knot]

it gets hustle & vital spirit doesn it?

[hard token]

i just think it wouldnt make exciting fusions since we've already seen a buncha dog fusions already

[paper pasture]

Santa needs his elves to set snow

[iron quartz]

ABOMASNOW

[hot grove]

It does in this game iirc

[zinc cave]

and as hard as it is for me to admit it even some of my favourite pokemon wouldnt have the most cool fusions, its just my bias that wants them in

[hard token]

pokemon named mamoswine, donphan and drowzee:

[lethal roost]

...?

[cinder oasis]

Hidden ability

[lethal roost]

? ? ?? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ??

[cinder oasis]

I hope Abomasnow would get in but prob not

[last knot]

i've never gotten the option for snow warning can someone show a screenshot?

[paper pasture]

I'm only seeing hustle as the hidden ability

[lethal roost]

OH FUCK THAT.

[iron quartz]

lmao

[paper pasture]

Ohhhh weird

[livid ridge]

why are baltoy and claydol there? i havent seen a single piece of propaganda for them

[frozen oyster]

What in the world

[hot grove]

Lol
Lmao

[last knot]

that's SO funny

[paper pasture]

Fusion calculator didn't show me snow warning

[last knot]

but also like WHy on delibird????

[iron quartz]

because i saw them here alot ig

[lethal roost]

y'know what no? there is no snow warning mon in IF. i don't give a fuck if delibird has it or not. vote aurorus.

[lethal roost]

i am NOT using DELIBIRD as a HAIL SETTER

[iron quartz]

lmao

[hot grove]

Scroll up

[paper pasture]

Vaniluxe snow warning and enjoy uncreative body fusions and no head fusions

[hot grove]

Aurorus is cool though you guys should vote for it

[lethal roost]

ice cream flavors is... a thing but vanillish is a wasted slot

[paper pasture]

Yeah I'm like how many times can you make a sundae or parfait

[cinder oasis]

Vanniluxe would be a terrible option, choose Abomasnow (which I did) or aurorus

[hot grove]

Alao did you guys know Delibird is pronounced "Delih-burd"

Like Delivered

[hard token]

vanilluxe would be cool if it didnt take up 3 slots

[lethal roost]

if you want dessert fusions vote slurpuff

though i'd rather alcremie if it were a possible choice

[cinder oasis]

Better desert fusions since it has more options than ice cream

[paper pasture]

Slurpuff also a doggy

[hot grove]

I dont like slur puff but i can say its better than 3 ice cream cones

How racist do you think Slur puff is

[frozen oyster]

I did see this a while back.

[lethal roost]

as someone who faced slurpuff in XY OU Random Battles I can confirm it's very racist

[zinc cave]

oh yeah i almost forgot, Vote aromatisse for pink plague doctor fusions

[naive cobalt]

any pokemon has the potential to make creative fusions just depends on who makes it

[lethal roost]

2013 was a different time and I think he's grown though

[frozen oyster]

Slurpuff isn't racist its the owners who taught him to be :[

[hot grove]

It has Slur in its name i bet it spouts racial slurs every week