Make Mushrooms Give Protein Nutrient

[novel remnant]

Biologically speaking, mushrooms are closer to animals than they are actual vegetables. Along with that, mushrooms also contain protein, Vitamin D, and B vitamins which are also commonly found in meats.

From a gameplay stance, protein can already be tedious to get, even with multiple sources. Mushrooms could potentially act like an alternative or secondary source for protein. Obviously it would be inferior to meat, but still providing enough to be somewhat viable.

Another way this could be remedied is to make mushrooms give both protein and vegetable nutrients, which would be consistent in how they are commonly grouped with vegetables for culinary and nutritional purposes while also being closer to animals biologically. Either way, mushrooms do contain protein, so the fact they don't provide it as a nutrition feels odd. It's not a major problem, but it would benefit immersion if this were added.

Edit: After much discussion, a few things have come to view

1. MAKE HARVESTING MUSHROOMS FASTER
2. The nutrient system works, however it does get murky with things like mushrooms, so possible changes to that
3. Add drying foods to the game

[lean turret]

Mushrooms IRL are closer to eating meat than eating plant. They don't even have cellulose, they get structure from chitin.

[novel remnant]

Not even mentioning how mushrooms are often compared to taste like meat. I’ve had mushroom before that’s tasted like chicken.

They don’t even photosynthesize, they feed off dead matter

[lean turret]

Not all

There are mushroom parasites that kill living trees

And there's mushrooms that parasitize other mushrooms even.

In the world of fungi, you have three lifestyle choices. You either eat dead wood, you go symbiosis with tree roots, or you're a parasite.

[novel remnant]

Either way, they’re technically not plants. Vegetables are just an extremely broad category in a culinary sense. Tomatoes are fruits (biologically speaking) but nearly always are never considered the same as cherries, pears, or apples. Mushrooms are considered vegetables even though they’re more animal than plant. This would be fine if it was just a labeling thing, but nutritionally it’s more meat than plant. So it’s weird that it at the very least doesn’t provide some amount of protein.

Its not even the fact that there’s both a protein and a vegetable nutrition meter. It’s the fact that mushrooms at least belong in both, if not just protein.

[lean turret]

Tomatoes and cucumbers are vegetable culinary wise because they don't fall into the flavor profiles and sugar content that fruits do

and vegetable is an extremely vague category that includes any sort of plant parts

[somber coral]

Mushrooms actually have very little macronutrients. Grouping them with vegetables is appropriate.

[austere sedge]

Would it make sense to have different nutrients based on which mushroom you eat?

Some would give protein, some vegetable, some both...

I don't know if it would make biological sense, but probably nice game-wise

[novel remnant]

Honestly yeah, that does sound like a good idea gameplay wise.

[novel remnant]

They still provide protein though. It’s not that they’re considered vegetables, it’s the fact that they only give vegetable nutrients while also having protein

[tawdry lichen]

what the hell even are mushrooms

[somber coral]

Do you think vegetables have no protein or what. Just eat your steak, your iron and B12 are low.

[novel remnant]

Firstly, I’m aware they have protein. I was suggesting mushrooms giving protein because it’s what I thought of at the time. Secondly, was the second sentence necessary?

[winged lagoon]

Funny little guys

[ocean stratus]

I think every type of food should be a little different

giving mushrooms both vegetable and protein nutrients in the game sounds like interesting gameplay, and reflects real life somewhat

[pulsar mauve]

I agree, mushrooms are single cells. so they are like an egg. but i would also change the nutrients we need in game to Protein, carbs, fats, sugars, and fiber. then do like Garthax said have each do 2 stats.

[late agate]

i don't believe that mushrooms are a high protein vegetable though

dried mushrooms are tho

so if we could dry mushrooms and have those give protein that would be neat

[late agate]

i would agree with this though. foods giving multiple nutrients, even if they don't give as much in a single one cause theyre split

[novel remnant]

This. The current nutrient system works, but I feel this is the best way to help as we have a weird system that generalizes foods into their culinary groups but then has the outlier of protein, which makes things confusing

[ocean stratus]

how does drying a mushroom increase its protein complement?

as far as I am aware drying simply removes water and makes a food lighter to carry

[late agate]

theyre basically just more concentrated

because of the high water content, non-dried mushrooms dont give as much

[novel remnant]

If protein was even relabeled to meat that would honestly help with clarification

[ocean stratus]

the nutrition system is such a weird concept, like obviously a body needs different kinds of nutrients, but I don't have an internal monitor that tells me exactly which food I'm lacking

[late agate]

but soybeans give protein

ingame

[novel remnant]

It feels inconsistent

[late agate]

i think it's moreso a matter of what fits the most. legumes like soy beans give more protein than mushrooms, so theyre part of the protein category. mushrooms give less protein than lentils, legumes, and meat, so theyre part of the vegetable category

[ocean stratus]

doesn't cheese have a lot of protein in it?

[late agate]

yeah but its made primarily from dairy so i imagine thats why theyre separate

[novel remnant]

This makes more sense now

It just feels like protein is an outlier because you have dairy, fruit, vegetables, and grain. They’re culinary food groups. But then you get to protein and a lot of things give protein IRL

[late agate]

but like i said, id absolutely love the ability to dry mushrooms (and meat for that matter) to be able to get a mushroom variant for protein

[novel remnant]

Yeah, that would be a good idea. Better preservation I assume too

[late agate]

yeah a lot of veggies in the game that are categorized as vegetables would give nutrients in different areas as well, but i think that theyre trying to really simplify it a lot for gameplay sake. it would be nice if foods would give multiple nutrients like garthax said

[novel remnant]

Yeah. I think it’s just a bit of a tricky balance problem when it comes to figuring out nutrition. Between micromanaging every calorie and eating fifty cakes without adverse consequences. It’s a very thin line that’s hard to get perfect

[pulsar mauve]

they contain about 2.2gram of protein and 2.3 gram of carbs about, that is one mushroom for example. some might be more or less.

[late agate]

sorry when i said that i was comparing it to the protein 'vegetables' we had ingame already like soybeans and peanuts but forgot to specify

theyre not really vegetables i just didn't know how to group those together

ig plants

[blissful pagoda]

honestly i like the idea of them giving both nutrient types, it would be a good reward since they are very tedious to get

[late agate]

i agree with this

[pulsar mauve]

it makes more sense to change foods types to individual nutirents like i said so you can blend them and not have to discuss what cat to put them in.

[late agate]

would give mushrooms a bit more importance early game

[late agate]

yea but we're going based off the current system

[pulsar mauve]

yup

[late agate]

for the current system we have i think raw mushrooms are okay in the vegetable category since they give a variety of nutrients and arent as high in protein as peanuts or soybeans

[pulsar mauve]

but that why these channels exist for ideas to be either refined or rejected.

[blissful pagoda]

no. while adding an in depth system would be mote realistic sure, it would be a lot harder to understand for new players. the current system is good because its simple to understand

[pulsar mauve]

simple yes, but i dont care about new players.

[late agate]

thats the most important thing to consider for a game developer

[pulsar mauve]

they dont eeven know its there or what it does

i played for a year before i found out

[late agate]

i played for a day before i found out

[novel remnant]

I mean green hell did an alright job at the nutrient system

[late agate]

because i pressed c

[blissful pagoda]

bro, youre wearing the server tag of a brand new game, you shoudl know better than us how important it is for a game to properly introduce new players

[novel remnant]

Yeah, it didn’t take me long to find it out either

[pulsar mauve]

server tag means nothing. my son put that on.

[late agate]

im gonna watch the new trailer then be back in a bit

[blissful pagoda]

same, as of rn its just easy to understand

[blissful pagoda]

fair enough

but still, making a game easy to understand for new players is critical. vintage story is already in a disadvantage for being the "minecraft copy game", making it even harder for new players to get introduced is just not a good idea

[pulsar mauve]

i dont share that opinion. but thats ok.

to teh devs reading this plz make breaking mushrooms instant with a knife lol

[late agate]

and also, while i like it, there would still be the issue of certain plants giving several nutrients. it isn't 1:1 and this fix will still have the same issue of things being "categorized wrong". i think a simpler method for an out of the way mechanic like dieting is acceptable as long as the things make relative sense. in cooking, mushrooms are considered a vegetable

[late agate]

absolutely this though

theyre so annoying to break which is why i dont ever really touch them early game lol. or at least make it 60% faster

[novel remnant]

Yeah it’s tedious

[late agate]

acause irl you can basically just. pluck half of the mushrooms off the floor. its very easy to obtain them. comparative to berries which would actually take slightly longer than mushrooms

[novel remnant]

Yeah, they’re not exactly tree stumps

[pulsar mauve]

shelf mushrooms though those take a minute bare handed. if hard

[blissful pagoda]

fr

[pulsar mauve]

add that to the main post bro

[novel remnant]

Got it 👍

I also think adding more fungiculture aspects to the game would be a good idea

[pulsar mauve]

we have mods for it but i want more base game stuff so it works with more mods. lets make SHROOM FARMING

[late agate]

i think they said that eventually? there might be mushroom farming. i can't remember exactly though

[novel remnant]

That’s good to know then!

[late agate]

what i personally want though is the ability to make poison tipped arrows with poisonous mushrooms

or any poison

[novel remnant]

Oh that’s a good idea honestly

[late agate]

i don't believe it's "technically" viable IRL

but i still want it lol

since mushroom poison IRL is actually slow acting. but ingame, you take damage as soon as you eat one, so i think it would make sense in-universe

[novel remnant]

Yeah, in universe the players have that stuff act instantaneously

[novel remnant]

I think mushroom changed should be sooner than later considering what they’re doing with berry bushes with the latest update.

But that’s just my guess

[late agate]

i agree, because i think more ppl will be eating mushrooms now that berry bushes aren't as easy to cultivate

[novel remnant]

Agreed, they actually feel more like another task to manage which is good because before it was more like a failsafe for people who weren’t as prepared

I say this as someone who used them exactly like that lol

[late agate]

same lol

[ocean stratus]

I'm not sure this is a good idea

if you hunt animals with poisoned arrows you end up with poisoned meat

most of the enemies in the game are mechanical so poison doesn't affect them?

I guess it might be useful if you just wanted to get animal skins? or hunting hostile animals like wolves or bears without eating them

[late agate]

i was thinking for pvp or monsters

but yes you are right that if you used it in hunting, the meat would be spoiled

[ocean stratus]

oh fair enough, I didn't think of that, I only play singleplayer

[late agate]

actually upon checking it, apparently when using the real life poison (curari), the toxins can be cooked out and your stomach acid would get rid of it. but i imagine it would be different when using a more fantastical idea like mushroom poison, because ingesting that hurts regardless of cooking

[lean turret]

Most poisons are very slow acting. You might come back the next day and the animal would be dead. It definitely depends on the toxins used, though. Some are only dangerous when injected and get denatured by stomach acid and such.

If we get poison making we'd probably have action time and delivery methods, like poisoned animal bait for traps.

[ocean stratus]

I think brewing mechanics are on the roadmap

so maybe actual poisons will be implemented then?