Salty´s Movement Series

[cerulean ermine]

turning a outer corner

[golden pollen]

Ooohhh

[jolly linden]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-gif-21453284

[wheat pebble]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/verticality still works btw

[cerulean ermine]

togheter? 🤔

I know! 😆

[pearl hare]

Congrats on the new mod release

Already looking forward to trying this out

[elder nimbus]

Fan of yer mods

[cerulean ermine]

Thanks guys!! ❤️

I'll try not to disappoint 😆

[slow flax]

This is sick. I already use Verticality.

[cerulean ermine]

I've implemented Backwards hanging

in this state player will be able to do a jump backuwards

which I still need to implement

[cerulean ermine]

It works with verticality

although I don't see the point

🤣

[slow flax]

I meant I’m using both. I like crawling through holes.

Unless Catch Ledge allows me to crawl through 1x1 holes too

[cerulean ermine]

Oh no no, I'll do a stand alone mod for that! :p

[sharp hornet]

Awesome mod

[cerulean ermine]

LOL

[cerulean ermine]

parkour
Side hop

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

Long jump & ledge drop

Turning ledge corner

I also patched the camera clipping problem for immersive first person

Switching ledges

[golden pollen]

this is really cool

[cerulean ermine]

damn i think this is the most succesfull mod i've done.

1000 downloads in 2 days

thank you guys!

❤️

[brittle lichen]

heya salty, I've grabbed the charged jump mod to use in addition with this. but I didn't like the large jump height, so I thought to adjust the config.

but the numbers aren't very clear and im struggling to get my ideal jump height the default (0.15) leads to a massive jump, but I can't really tell how it scales the jump height

i thought maybe value was maxCharge was a value representing the % increase in jump height (0.15 -> 15% higher jump) but that doesn't seem to be the case

[slow flax]

Yeah as soon as the crawling mod comes out I’m replacing verticality. Love this mod

[cerulean ermine]

you should try 0.12 or 0.10

[cerulean ermine]

Haha thanks! I'll be making one soon I promise! I'm just finishing the catch ledge mechanics so I can integrate some configs and I'll hope to the crawl mod! 🙏

[slow flax]

Whooo!

[cerulean ermine]

Also, new update let's you do a upward hop

no more bringing ladders to mining trips! 😆

[azure mason]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

[sweet stream]

Cant wait to combine this with wanda’s grapple for the peak dying light experience

[brittle lichen]

ok just a note to anyone who is keeping Verticality for the crawling, im pretty certain that it's charged jumps stacks with Salty's Charged Jump

latest ver of mod seems to think I have something in my hands

[cerulean ermine]

strange

are you playing solo or on a server?

[cerulean ermine]

OH

I'm dumb

sorry

it will be fixed

[cerulean ermine]

also yeah, if you using verticality you should not use charged jump guyus

guys*

or remove the charged jump ability from verticality

also next update adds backwards leap

and some configs too!

can do some pretty sick moves

[pearl hare]

Damn that's really cool

[lime ember]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-altair-vault-parkour-vault-jumping-gif-16605319

[cerulean ermine]

thanks!

It feels heavy but manageable, that was my intent since the beggining!

[pearl hare]

Would you know how stable this mod is in multiplayer? My friends have been hesitant to include it in our server just based on how early the versioning is

But I've been wanting to get it since the first upload

[cerulean ermine]

I'm thinking about implementing some sounds but I guess that's it the mod is pretty much done

[cerulean ermine]

hmm

I did test it in a test server I have here

everything seems to work fine

the problem is that I don't know how well does it work with other people on the server

and have no way to test it

🤣

[brittle lichen]

Salty I can't help but feel you're watching a Jason Bourne film and just transcribing all the parkour tricks

I love it but my god, there so much

[cerulean ermine]

I can't deny that I got a little carried over

I do parkour in real life too so I was really brainstorming ideas while coding the mod 😂

[brittle lichen]

Salty who the hell are you???!?

[cerulean ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-the-office-gif-4104008

[distant axle]

Such an amazing mod 😂 Can't wait to replace verticality with this on my server, Just need a standalone crawl mod. I'm excited to see yours, you do great work!

[cerulean ermine]

Thanks!!

Update is out

I'll start working on the crawling mod now

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

then I'll add vigor compat

[slow flax]

Excited to start playing Parkour Story.

[brittle lichen]

this is bad behavior resulting from Verticality implantation of charged jump conflicting with Salty's ChargedJump. Note the inconsistent jump height even when "fully charged"

Even with Verticality's charged jump "disabled" by way of editing the config values. (note: Salty's ChargedJump has def. values in the config)

[sweet stream]

Lmfao

Mario

[crimson marsh]

Would it be possible to add some sort of effect towards satiety whilst climbing? Sort of like how VS handles holding something in your non-dominant hand.

Just as a bit of balance towards repeated vaulting/climbing if anyone wants it.

[cerulean ermine]

wait, is it doing that even with charged jump from verticality turned off?

🤔

[cerulean ermine]

I will be adding compatibility with vigor for that!

[quartz steppe]

Speaking of crawling is it possible to add slide to prone with this API 🤔

[cerulean ermine]

I'm gonna be honest with you, It's hard to find something that's not possible with such an amazing api

but yeah, slide is totally doable!

[lime ember]

Looks like you have more work to do.

[cerulean ermine]

Time to make more coffee! 😆

[elder nimbus]

We don't deserve ya salty

[cerulean ermine]

Nah you guys are great! ^^

[brittle lichen]

Yup, the only way I can see of disabling Verticality's charged jump is setting the "add force" in the config to zero. Which I did

Also when will you add this to VS

[cerulean ermine]

I'M IN LOVE

FLOPPA BLOCK

Sadly I don't know how to do custom blocks/items yet! 😭

I should really look into that tho

[cerulean ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-gif-22427240

[cerulean ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/floppy-floppa-gif-21921987

[elder nimbus]

Incoming this season: salty's floppa

[cerulean ermine]

the first thing imma add as soon as a learn for sure! 😂

[brittle lichen]

my Seraph is in excruciating pain (crawling while climbing)

[lime ember]

Kidney stone mid-climb

[jolly linden]

The character can jump high enough to reach the third block (without additional modifications), but cannot grab the ledge, even if the block is half a block high. Is it possible to add a setting for this?

[brittle lichen]

i think this has to do with mod currently treating all chiseled and/or half blocks as full blocks

[jolly linden]

At first glance, even grabbing a full block should not cause any difficulties.

[brittle lichen]

is this the setup your talking about?

[cerulean ermine]

almost

it seems like it can based on the animation
but it actually stays a few centimiter below the 3rd block ledge

this is intentional

use charged jump!

[cerulean ermine]

actually right now any block that isn't a full 16x16 block on top of another block will not be considered a ledge blocker

this is why in your setup you can grab the ledge below the slab, but this only counts as a ledge detector, you still can't climb up ledge if the block below it is not air, plant or snow.

which I should probably add a check to bypass slabs since it's kinda weid

weird*

[brittle lichen]

so wait this isn't supposed to be possible?

[cerulean ermine]

no this is!
only if there was a full block above it then you wouldn't be able to hang on it

[brittle lichen]

ohh ok

actually uhm on that note, would you be willing to implement fence mounting or at least allow climbing over one

[cerulean ermine]

yeah, but in another mod like vault mod or something

or even inside the crawl mod i'm making

nah, it wouldn't make sense

probably in a standalone mod

[jolly linden]

This jump is too big for me, I don't use it. That's why I asked if you could create a setting for this.

[jolly linden]

No, I tried three full blocks, and one was chiseled at the height of the third block.

[cerulean ermine]

Sadly not!
They're designed to work together!
You can change the configuration for how much force the charged jump has!
I can help you with it if you want!

[jolly linden]

The charged jump mod is awesome. But it's not right for my game. I don't like the jump power or how long you have to wait. It's not good for fast parkour.

[cerulean ermine]

The time you have to hold is configurable too but I totally understand!
Sadly the setting is not possible!

[jolly linden]

I understand, thank you for your reply. And even without that, the mod is wonderful.

[cerulean ermine]

Thank you! And thanks for understanding! ❤️

[slow flax]

I just read mention of sliding into crawl? That would be amazing. Climbing is already my new favourite Rust escape method. Sliding into a hole would be the cherry on top

[cerulean ermine]

Yep, I will be implementing a sliding mechanic into the crawl mod!
It will be a prone slide, or belly slide.
It will have a chance to tear down clothes/equipment.

Also i'm still looking into it but I want to make it so crawling lowers mob detection even greater than sneaking!

[elder nimbus]

Penguin moment

Will it be faster on ice

[cerulean ermine]

Yep! it will! 😆

[elder nimbus]

This is, indeed, a penguin moment

[slow flax]

That’s even better. Can’t wait to penguin slide down a mountain.

[boreal ivy]

Not sure if this has been reported yet, but you can "store" a charged jump. You do a charge jump charge like normal but then should you let go shift to un-crouch but not space, the character starts to jump endlessly and so long as you don't let go of space, the charge is stored. You can move around to someplace else and release space to do a charged jump

[boreal ivy]

Oh wait, wrong mod forum post whoops 😅

[cerulean ermine]

It's alright hehe there's no forum for the charged jump mod

[cerulean ermine]

Yes I know, i use this bug a lot 🫢

[cerulean ermine]

now that I finished updating my mods I could finally resume work on the crawl mod

you also CAN'T crawl if you're hainging from a ledge, sitting, swimming, sneaking, riding or flying.

[solemn bloom]

crawl mod crawl mod!
it's the last mobility feature i'm waiting for to fully replace Verticality. your versions have such polish, mr. floppa guy

[cerulean ermine]

thank you! ❤️ I try my best! 😆

[cerulean ermine]

Alright! Crawling is fully implemented! But I won't be uploading it just yet since I want to also package it with the Dive/Slide mechanic!

Name will be Salty´s Movement: Crawl&Dive

[slow flax]

So if I’m diving underwater I can’t enter a 1x1 hole?

[cerulean ermine]

No you can't crawl underwater

But I'm pretty sure you can already fit 1x1 roles diving right?

[cerulean ermine]

diving mechanic

now to add some forward momentum and the slide afterwards

[cerulean ermine]

Done!

Now fleeing from bears with style!

Crawl & Dive/Slide mechanics

Crawl while walking

Dive while sprinting

After a Dive you slide in the direction you previously dived

You can also Dive in the air while sprinting to gain a little more ground!

This with Catch Ledge is a lot of fun to play around

Opportunity to some very cool parkour courses

[solemn bloom]

already done?! jesus crimmins salty!

i personally think the dive animation could be sped up a bit and the slide momentum decreased slightly, just to make the transition between the two smoother but i literally haven't played with it yet so ignore me until others echo my sentiment

[solemn bloom]

mario.........

[cerulean ermine]

I toned down a little in the current version uploaded :p

I thought it was kinda strange too

but I'll make it configurable

just in case

[lime ember]

Might as well finally give us a jump animation

[cerulean ermine]

Yep it's on plan

actually the game already have those, I may only restore it

Salty´s Movement Series

I may have to tweak it due to timing tho..

But i've been wanting for a jump animation since I begin playing this marvelous game

[lime ember]

Huh, wonder why it’s disabled

[cerulean ermine]

have no idea! its a cool animation!
I'll probably restore it in the footsteps mod since that mod also restores other animations I found

[sweet stream]

Rappelling with this mod is gonna go crazy

[cerulean ermine]

working on a vault mod

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-on-keyboard---i'm-cooking-gif-17132887018908126710

[cerulean ermine]

hell yeah

You should try with that grappling hook mod

[lime ember]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[cerulean ermine]

Animations!!

the flow is very nice!

But I'll add another animation for sprinting maybe

[cerulean ermine]

didn't even needed to, the vault animation with the sprint animation weight make a subtle varied animation thats perfect!

[warm flicker]

@cerulean ermine the dive and crawl mod allows you to lauch yourself at mach 10 if you just hold space and z and go down and slightly sloped hill, all you need to do is to be able to take damage and you will go zooming

a cooldown might be needed

[cerulean ermine]

Hmm people commented this but I couldn't be able to reproduce it 🤔

[warm flicker]

i can stream it in the discord, i dont have any software to save a video of it

ngl its kinda fun to do\

[lime ember]

Hmm, maybe some variety?

https://tenor.com/view/vault-parkour-jumping-running-late-running-gif-14416220

[cerulean ermine]

hard enough to do one! 😂

[cerulean ermine]

it's alright, a key mapping would be enough!
The only thing I get when holding z is keep jumping

which is fine i guess?

[pearl hare]

Salty, you're crazy

A vault is one of the last things I wanted

Do you think the vault code could work for a big steppy? That way instead of constantly jumping up 1 block hills, you could just climb all the way up without having to rely on a mod that increases your step climb height?

[cerulean ermine]

hehehe

[cerulean ermine]

Not possible

The way I code the vault it needs a cooldown

[pearl hare]

Yeah I figured, it's one of the last hangups I really have with the game

[cerulean ermine]

else player phase to the ground

[pearl hare]

Honestly, even so, I'm super looking forward to this

I can just vault over the animal fence instead of risking the gate opening

[cerulean ermine]

this is exactly why I'm making this tbh!

😂😂😂😂*

[pearl hare]

Hahahah

[cerulean ermine]

roll implemented

now to add some particle effects, sounds and the reduce fall damage logic

[pearl hare]

Congrats on getting it uploaded, looking forward to using it

[pearl hare]

Hey Salty, I found something really funny with the crawl and dive mod, it extends to the Vault mod as well but nowhere near as silly

If you keep the crawl button held down while diving, you continue bouncing and diving like a penguin forever lmao

Tested on fully vanilla aside from crawl & dive + vault & roll

It just keeps going until you stop holding he button

[cerulean ermine]

Looks like a frog 😆

A simple cooldown should prevent that :p

[pearl hare]

It's extremely funny looking

[cerulean ermine]

Fixed

Thanks for the feedback!

❤️

[olive quail]

Would it be possible to make the latch & climb mod be able to reach to a block above the player? I find it funny to constantly need to use a charge jump just to get up that distance 😅. Regardless thank you Salty for your work!

[cerulean ermine]

heey

[cerulean ermine]

oh nono it was designed to work that way 😆

[cerulean ermine]

But if you need I've made a mod for someone that complained about this too

[olive quail]

Thank you that worked wonderfully!

[trim granite]

@cerulean ermine Vintage "Mirrors Edge" Story .. when? 😂

[mild panther]

I've had some weird issues with the Catch Ledge mod, if I am facing a wall that is 3 blocks high am I suppose to be able to jump and grab the ledge? Some ledges I could grab that way and some I couldn't. It took me a while to figure out what is causing it and it seems to depend if there is a neighboring block lower than the ledge I want to jump up to.

I attached 3 photos to explain. The good one shows that there are neighboring blocks on both sides and I can easily grab the ledge and climb up. The bad one shows there are no neighboring blocks and I cannot grab the ledge at all. The third one shows a ledge with a neighboring block on the left side and I can grab the ledge on the left side of the 3 blocks high, I cannot grab the ledge if I am on the right side of it.

[cerulean ermine]

you're never catching the 3rd block

you're catching the second block ledge

mod does not let you grab a ledge 3 blocks height

then when you catch the ledge of the second block and climb it, it will go to the ledge of the 3rd block

[brittle lichen]

-# ay yo?

[grand trout]

I was doing some testing with some model size changes via Model Lib and noticed that Catch Ledge gets a little wonky, at least animation-wise with smaller model sizes (Didn't test larger models), notably the character appears to be holding on to the middle of the block instead

I wanted to ask if this is something that's likely to see compatibility/fixes?
If not, no worries :3
If this is something to direct to another mod author, then please let me know
The mods seem really interesting and I plan on giving them a proper go regardless at some point

[whole sentinel]

With the diving I've noticed if you take damage while diving or dive into water you can get pretty big speed boosts

https://medal.tv/games/vintage-story/clips/l3UGrNVOKznhfKu2x?invite=cr-MSxSQ2IsNzEyNzA1Njc&v=20

Not complaining just thought it was funny

[lime ember]

This is a pretty ridiculous boost ngl

[whole sentinel]

Yeah but the way to do it on surface is very inconsistant

you need just the right height and just the right timing

[cerulean ermine]

oh damn

are you holding space or something?

I can't seem to be able to reproduce this

Diving in water is also disabled

as soon as player enter water there's a check for it to remove the crawling state

[whole sentinel]

Huh, doesn't remove crawling state for me, I have the newest version as well and I don't see what mods I have could cause this

[whole sentinel]

also yes I do hold space to maintain the momentum

I am using version 1.0 tho

maybe that's why

[cerulean ermine]

yeah

use the newest version

[whole sentinel]

just downloaded it

gonna test it more and see if I can break it again lol

[cerulean ermine]

why you hate me? 😭

[whole sentinel]

I'm like andy in woody's dream lmao

oh god

I updated the dive mod and now combat overhaul is broken

🥀

[cerulean ermine]

it wasn't me :p

[whole sentinel]

okay

water diving is now fixed

speed boost on land still possible though albeit still very inconsistant with the boost

(it was already inconsistant with the damage boost)

[cerulean ermine]

impossible I fixed that too

[whole sentinel]

I just got a mini boost 🤷

altho sometimes the damage sends you into the ground which kills it majority of the time

https://medal.tv/games/vintage-story/clips/l4gU8Mx7INRMt419D?invite=cr-MSx5cGQsNzEyNzA1Njc&v=23

[cerulean ermine]

hmm

[whole sentinel]

I wonder if it's combat overhaul's fall damage override

[cerulean ermine]

strange

[whole sentinel]

since it makes it more consistant

[cerulean ermine]

no I just tested on my end, when damaged it does get a boost

I don't use CO

[whole sentinel]

Damage does move you in a direction

[cerulean ermine]

It's probably some obscure vanilla logic i'm gonna have to spend 3 days looking for 🤠

[whole sentinel]

yw 😎

[cerulean ermine]

yep

well great news it's a feature now

[whole sentinel]

you're gonna have to make a seperate mod that moves the player down when damaged to kill off all chances of damage boosting 😭

least I can't water boost anymore

it was fun but definitely way more op than damage boosting

[cerulean ermine]

It can be something done inside crawl e dive tbh

[whole sentinel]

I mean

you could remove jumping whilst crawling to prevent the momentum being prolonged

[cerulean ermine]

Nope, jump while crawling is essential for catch ledge

[whole sentinel]

oh-

I haven't found any funny bugs with catch a ledge yet

yet...

[cerulean ermine]

YET

[whole sentinel]

oh god

you can climb paintings

😭

[cerulean ermine]

immersive 😎

don't you climb paintings in RL

I do it all the time

[whole sentinel]

indeed

I still needa download the vault and roll mod

Haven't touched it yet

[cerulean ermine]

the vault is pretty cool I definitely recommend

[whole sentinel]

oh, you can climb a painting with a painting on top of it

don't mind my spawned in painting

I thought it was cool as hell

going to creative

to see if you can make a painting ladder

[cerulean ermine]

try to climb it with W

🤔

[whole sentinel]

the most expensive ladder in existence lmao

you can

[cerulean ermine]

are paintings blocks? and not block entities?

well it kinda makes sense tho

are you playing in windowed mode?

[whole sentinel]

yeah

I do play in windowed

so I can see discord pings and the time

:c

[cerulean ermine]

you're insane

[whole sentinel]

creative mode shenanigans

infinite catch

[cerulean ermine]

hehe toggle it for a little dance

[whole sentinel]

hm

Don't think there's much breaking potential with catch a ledge tbh

it's very straight forward in what it does lmao

[cerulean ermine]

yep someone on reddit have discovered you can fly in survival

😂

you guys amaze me

[whole sentinel]

how

😭

[cerulean ermine]

you can actually do in this setup

see those 2 block tall crates on the background?

go there, catch ledge and try to climb it

you'll get stuck on the ceiling

[whole sentinel]

catching isn't disabled on boats lol

[cerulean ermine]

isn't playing in the riding state when in a boat? 🤔

[whole sentinel]

no clue

COULD also be because I might have an outdated version :3

[cerulean ermine]

what ver are you playing?

[whole sentinel]

I had 0.5.3 for catch a ledge

just updated it tho

now I can't climb at all

[cerulean ermine]

it shouldn't make a difference

[whole sentinel]

uh

[cerulean ermine]

the riding guard is since day one

🤔

[whole sentinel]

I updated to ver 5.5 and now I can no longer climb

I successfully broke it I guess 😭

[cerulean ermine]

damn

server?

[whole sentinel]

singleplayer world

[cerulean ermine]

you cant use the climb?

🤔

or the catch ledge?

or both?

[whole sentinel]

ah

you know what it is

my combat overhaul sheathes is now taking priority over catch a ledge

both have the keybind set to r

[cerulean ermine]

ooooooh

[whole sentinel]

before catcha ledge took priority over the keybind

where would one go to change a keybind for the mod

[cerulean ermine]

options controls

you can search by name

the key

[whole sentinel]

found it

just gonna set it to x for now

cause vault and roll is v normally right?

[cerulean ermine]

yes vault n roll is v

[whole sentinel]

coolio

all set now I think lmao

If you're using combat overhaul crossbows you can vault over your crossbow as you're reloading it

You can also vault over grass on the ground

[cerulean ermine]

yeah you will perform the vault action/animation with V doens't matter the context

even stationary

😂*

[whole sentinel]

ah

dang

can't outsmart the water detection for the diving

tried doing some chiselling to get just barely enough water but it still stops the dive

[cerulean ermine]

hehe 😬

[pulsar radish]

I've a few questions and a suggestion, first the questions:

1. When I'm hanging on a ledge I move to a corner using a or d and then, aiming to the other ledge, I press w. Like the GIF from the mod description. For some reason it doesn't change ledges. What can I be doing wrong?
2. On the GIFs it says that if you press space while looking forward it'll "jump" to the next ledge upwards. It doesn't. It jumps but you have press R again or it'll just fall. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? S + SPACE works just fine bu have to press R to hang to the new ledge so I think that pressing R is a requirement always but I want to make sure.

Now the suggestion:
While you're crawling, if you want to strat runnning, you've to first stand up with Z and then start sprinting. It could be nice to have ab feature that, if you start running while you're crawlig, the seraph will stand up and start running automatically. Right now both mods are amazing but when you're crawling if a mod starts chasing you you'll start running jut to realice you didin't stood up first hahahahah

Other than that, really great mods

I love the way it enhances the gameplay

Oh no, I'll fall through this hole!!! No... R and catch the ledge

Just amazing

[wise ore]

I kinda like that you don’t just pop up from prone. It makes movement a little more deliberate and it IS a threat to be caught lying down.

[pulsar radish]

There can be a client-side config

[wise ore]

I do think that Vault & Roll could be integrated more smoothly with the others. They do close and similar things, R could be a general “traversal” button while Z is the “dive/prone” button.

R while grounded to vault, and Z while falling to roll?

[whole sentinel]

https://medal.tv/games/vintage-story/clips/l59R8W1pEZcGgJlyA?invite=cr-MSx0YmYsNzEyNzA1Njc&v=6

more dive damage boost shenanigans

seems damage before you dive can also boost your speed

[pulsar radish]

I thought about changin R for space bar

While you're in the air press space bar instead of R

With crawl z is fine

[dapper cedar]

do you think you can add shimmying

[pulsar radish]

Most games use Z or C

[dapper cedar]

as in traveling left or right on a ledge face

[whole sentinel]

I just changed climb to one of my two extra mouse buttons

then vault to my other mouse button

[pulsar radish]

I changed Z for C hehe

And character info to Z

Most games use C to crawl so...

[cerulean ermine]

hmm
make sure you're very close to the ledge, until you can go to the side anymore

also yes, space to jump up will make you have to press grab again

yes crawling does need be toggled to run that's for exaclty the reason Verbose Mode described

😆

[cerulean ermine]

what is shimmying exactly?

🤔

[pulsar radish]

Verbose Mode?

[cerulean ermine]

Yep Verbose Mode

😆

[cerulean ermine]

This is a thing already

Since day one 😆

[dapper cedar]

WHAT

[real harness]

catch ledge is AWESOME

especially for vanilla worldgen

although it's janky, the angle at which the grab is cancelled seems very inconsistent

also i did already notice an "exploit" of sorts?

timing the jump with the grab input results in a 2 block tall jump

with a grabbable ledge present of course

i think a little extra delay would be nice, and might fix the exploit?

[real harness]

yeah, i can even jump three blocks tall..

needs work

two block tall jump is 100% consistent

three block tall jump can sometimes be done with one input, but it seems the timing is really precise

most consistently done by spamming

i really hope this gets addressed because this seems like the perfect vanilla+ movement mod

[cerulean ermine]

it's a 'hidden mechanic' I didnt specify in the description

you can turn much more on the middle of a block than on the edges of it.

[cerulean ermine]

looks fine to me? 🤔

you're jumping, quickly grabbing the ledge and using the jump up

i do that too

😆

[short forge]

Do the movement mods work for 1.21.1?

[cerulean ermine]

I didn't test yet but based on the changelos I'd say yeah

[short forge]

YAYY

[real harness]

well the mod says it's supposed to be weighty

this makes it anything but

using the two/three block tall jump is really unimmersive and overpowered

almost all creatures can't climb two blocks, so you can just superman jump and completely hardcounter them while running away

[dapper cedar]

It would be nice to have that toggle-able

[queen crag]

You saw a new Dying Light game was nigh and chose to add it to Vintage Story first? 😛 Excellent work

[broken crest]

theres a bug with charged jump that allows you to double jump if you release crouch and then jump

[stiff wyvern]

my seraph is REALLY excited for that pie

[hard osprey]

Hey Salty just wanna say how much I love your mods hands down my favorite vintage story modder your movement mods alone make it feel like a whole new game I'm always excited to see what you post next. keep bein awesome!

[cerulean ermine]

Me irl when I know it's onion pie

[cerulean ermine]

Thanks bro! I am always very grateful to help make the gameplay a little better for you guys ❤️

[hard osprey]

No thank you lol seriously your mods have literally defined my current playthrough I'll probably never be able to play without them again you ruined vanilla 😂 😜

[cerulean ermine]

If it of any help I ruined vanilla for me too! 😂😂

[hard osprey]

😂

[real harness]

is source available anywhere?

i could fork catch ledge to do what i want, feels like a simple redundancy variable could do it

[cerulean ermine]

ooh no sorry I don't make em public

I can send to you if you want

or you decompile the dll

Or I can integrate what you wanted as a config?

it was the cooldown for the jumps after a grab?

[real harness]

yeah that would be great

a tiny cooldown for climbing would also rock?

[cerulean ermine]

alright sure no probs!

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-you-thumbs-up-good-great-excellent-gif-12640146

[cerulean ermine]

Cooldowns introduced!

leaping and climbing!

Good parkour!

[real harness]

damn i'll test in a sec

[cerulean ermine]

No probs! Inside server configs! 👉🤠👉

[real harness]

@cerulean ermine nothing here chief

imma try deleting it?

[cerulean ermine]

oh yeas sorry, delete previous one so new one generates

[real harness]

there it is

does not seem to be working

i set 0.5 and 1.5

does it not take floats?

[cerulean ermine]

yep they work :p

[real harness]

whole numbers don't work either

[cerulean ermine]

you can still leap and climb with the cooldowns? should trigger the red warning

try setting a greater value

[real harness]

nope exact same as before

[cerulean ermine]

mp or sp?

[real harness]

both climbs instantly and jumps instantly, causing the doublejump

sp

[cerulean ermine]

do you have more than one catch ledge zip on the folder perhaps?

[real harness]

setting it to 100 worked

[cerulean ermine]

damn

[real harness]

also yes i do have the older version but it's not enabled

imma throw it

[cerulean ermine]

mine is 3 secs

works perfectly fine 😆

[real harness]

mine are 2, don't work

3 works but is less than 1 second

hmm what's going on here

and it's not consistent either

sometimes it's ignored

doublejump still works

[real harness]

seems the jump cooldown only activates after you have already jumped once

yeah you can see it in your second vid

and in the first vid there's a strange jitter before it realizes it's on cooldown

that happens too, and sometimes it gets ignored entirely

[cerulean ermine]

the jitter is because the cooldown was ready on the first clip and I was spamming W

[real harness]

well shouldn't it activate the moment you latch on?

yeah i think i can pinpoint it

cooldown is ignored for the first action, then if quickly repeated gets the cooldown

which is also why instead of 3 seconds it's 1

takes two seconds to repeat the action :D

it's almost there

[cerulean ermine]

okay so, cooldown needs to start and block both leap and climbing on the initial ledge grab, not on each action? Or on grab and each action?

[real harness]

the moment you latch on, the cooldowns start, after which the action can be performed

[cerulean ermine]

like Jump>Grab>Cooldown

oh

yeah now I get it

this also fix the double jump you mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-duh-gif-13669009

[real harness]

if this works this will be my essential vanilla+ movement mod

[cerulean ermine]

should this be a separated value? or should this latch cooldown get the value from the leap/climb?

[real harness]

also, the red text on cooldown may be good for debugging but it's distracting in gameplay

[real harness]

i think it should replace it entirely

there's no realistic need for a cooldown BETWEEN actions

[cerulean ermine]

So Imma ditch the between actions cooldown and do one single cooldown for latch

then when I add vigor comp this should take care of "between actions cooldown"

[real harness]

vigor comp?

what's vigor

[cerulean ermine]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/26142

this bad boy

[real harness]

oh stamina system

[cerulean ermine]

yep

[cerulean ermine]

try this one if possible

remove the old configs too

[real harness]

let's a go

[cerulean ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-jump-super-mario-world-mario-spinning-jump-spinjump-gif-17629321122386592068

[real harness]

little imperfection, it seems the cooldown starts when the button is pressed, not when it connects?

[cerulean ermine]

Nop, specifically when the hanging connects

[real harness]

actually it only happens when you're right up to the wall

it does make create an accidental "timing" mechanic i suppose

pressing the button immediately gives you the full cooldown, pressing it at the peak of the jump shortens it

all in all i am pretty satisfied with this, it's up to you if you wanna round that little detail out

damn i'm playing around with this and now i don't even know if i want this fixed :D

this feels like janky source movement in a good way

[cerulean ermine]

I'll leave it that way then! 😆

[real harness]

sure thing

thanks a ton salterino

i'll start using and recommending this mod now

[cerulean ermine]

ThankYOU 👉😎👉

wanna have your name on credits or something?

moddb name

idk

I always do this with good feedback

[real harness]

don't care much but sure

moddb is Daneela

[cerulean ermine]

Alright!

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-the-office-gif-26388601

[real harness]

try it yourself, this is really something

0.5 for parkour mode, 1 for weighty mode

[cerulean ermine]

I like 0.5

[humble gazelle]

hey i know that this isn’t really relevant to this mod in particular but do you got any upcoming mod projects you could share? every single mod you have been putting out so far has been really great and i’m just curious on what your working on. keep up the great work by the way!

[real harness]

while having a grand ol time out i found a new exploit

not related to the new change but this is pretty busted

something about corners makes climbing repeat endlessly?

you have a system in place for checking if you're in the middle of a block so you can swing, maybe you should add that check to climbing?

i should note, this can only be reliably done with that exact pattern

[cerulean ermine]

damn ngl that was kinda cool

mountain climber

that gave me an idea for a mod

HMMMM 🤔

[real harness]

that is cool but scaling a surface like that don't seem right

[cerulean ermine]

oh no definitely

but it was hella smooth

[real harness]

i found this during extensive stresstesting, so i think this is the last thing to iron out

[cerulean ermine]

Yeah it's nice feedback still

I can fix it when I do the vigor compat

[wild python]

I just got the prone mod, and the crawling animation is kinda super weird.

Like I'm used to the Helldivers 2 animation, which uses their feet first to push across the ground.
The animation for your mod just uh... Feels weird. It's closer to a bear crawl in my martial arts. And it feels like the Seraph is dragging their entire lower leg across the ground. Just sayin.

Also would the vault mod work with binding the key to the sprint key?

[wild python]

nvm

[wild python]

Ok so uh

Crawlng really doesn't like any items in your hands. Especially those with custom animations.

It doesn't play well with Maltiez's Tool Animations (pic 1), or any item (pic 2, vanilla torch)

[cerulean ermine]

yeah I'm not a animation expert 😆

[cerulean ermine]

this is a weight animation nightmare that I am not willing to face

[wild python]

ok

[azure mason]

salty, does your firestarters mod add wildfires? i check one of my peat deposits nearby and it's all on fire, and it's spreading like mad, no lightning strikes nothing

[wild python]

The mod page doesn't seem to add anything. Check your server settings?

[ocean cairn]

Love the series of mods so far. Glad these got updated

[tiny silo]

Is there a config anywhere for the charge jump? Trying to limit my server to only 2-block jump but I can't find the config anywhere

[tiny silo]

Ok so it only makes a config in singleplayer, not the server. And moving that to the server doesn't actually make any of the changes server-wide

[cerulean ermine]

yes configs load on the client

[tiny silo]

Is there any chance we can get a server-side config?

[cerulean ermine]

I'll put on my todo, but I can't promise any time soon :p

[tiny silo]

Works for me, tyty 🙏

[crimson marsh]

This has been the case for awhile but I never decided to make an issue about it until now. With Salty's Sprint & Momentum enabled you can easily outrun literally any animal. With it disabled, the animals chasing me usually tend to catch up.

[cerulean ermine]

yep, ai get stuck for some reason, I'll rewrite that mod someday

[cerulean ermine]

Hey, updated the mod. 1.2.1 configs are now server authoritative! Thanks for the feedback!

[cerulean ermine]

currently not possible, i'll fix the mod soon

[tiny silo]

tysm!

[left minnow]

ooh tyvm

[tiny silo]

Theres an issue now after updating where jumping while sprinting is treated as a charge jump. Have to hold space and only jump on letting go. And if you are sprinting backwards and do it you'll leap forward instead

[cerulean ermine]

this is not an issue is a new mechanic!

[tiny silo]

Gotcha, ty!

[tiny silo]

Is it intended to work on both backwards and sideways sprinting?

[tiny silo]

Also while I'm here, Immersive Mining has an exploit where if you swap to a different tool on your hotbar after hitting a block with a pickaxe it resets the animation. So using two pickaxes you can just turbo mine things and it kind of breaks the mod. Is this something you're able to fix?

[cerulean ermine]

side effect, I add a slight impulse forward to the charged sprinting jump

I'll fix it, and add a option to disable the sprint charged jump too

[cerulean ermine]

Alright! added to my todo! 👉😎👉

[tiny silo]

Much appreciated on both fronts!

[arctic gull]

Just updated server to 1.21.5 n running sprint momentum 0.2.0

Momentum feels like running on ice and the dash is really far, tried clearing configs but so luck there

World is 1.21.1 generated if that makes any difference

Mods:
Vault n Roll
Crawl n Dive
Sprint Momentum

temporarily backdated to 0.1.3 so they could play

[cerulean ermine]

Yes, sprint momentum now uses entity physics directly

Change the materials configs

Also change Dodge force to something like ~30

[tiny silo]

Does the new update of charged jump work on 1.21.4? I want to use the config to disable the sprinting jump but I want to make sure updating won't break my server 😅

[cerulean ermine]

I didn't test it on 1.21.4 but don't update yet, there's no config for disabling sprint charged jump

[tiny silo]

o

mb mb

[cerulean ermine]

now you can update, I added a option to disable it!

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-lil-floppa-flop-floppa-flop-gif-22883844

[tiny silo]

Just to confirm, this still works in 1.21.4?

[cerulean ermine]

checking changelogs there's doesn't seem to be anything that could possibly make it break or not work, you're fine 😆

It worked on 1.21, 1.21.1 and 1.21.3 (didn't test on 1.21.2)

[tiny silo]

Gotcha, tyty!

Do I need to allow the mod to generate a new config file for disabling it?

[cerulean ermine]

yep!

[ocean cairn]

Just want to say, thanks for the manual series. I really do love those mods and it feels like a QoL thing. Plus it feels like it makes sense to do.

[sterile galleon]

Love the moment series mods but some of the movement seems a little OP (overpowered) epically since you can do them over and over again (epically Climb Mountain). So as a general question will there be any compatibility with vigor or any standalone stamina system implemented?

[pine jolt]

I think a configurable duration/cooldown to these actions with a visual indicator whether its from our player character or a GUI element on screen, could probably eliminate the whole feeling of being overpowered that some players have. Plus since its configurable, everyone can tailor it to their liking.

[wild python]

Ironically, I mostly use the catch ledge to climb 2 block walls lol.

Also, the mountain climbing is a lil weird

If the wall is also against a ladder, you'll begin climbing the rock wall.

[wild python]

Ok yea

you begin climbing if there's a single ledge near ya when climbing a ladder

[crude junco]

@cerulean ermine Hello, CaptainOats of the Butchering mod here!

Got a little issue I need you to take a look at, your crawling mod reduces player speed by 60% and my mod butchering also reduces speed when heavy animal carcasses are carried but this is causing the walk speed to go negative. This seems to be crashing some people. Is it possible that you could some how limit how much speed you take off down to not more than say 20% rather than it be a flat 60% that goes past 0%?

I have limited my mod to only go to 20% as well with speed reductions and it seemed to stop the crashing but if they do continue I can't do any more on my side with this issue.

Thank you for your time,
CaptainOats

[cerulean ermine]

Hey nice to see you here!Of course! Thanks for the heads up! I'll take a look!

[brave chasm]

Is it possible to have separate config options for "NoInputDown" for walking vs sprinting in the Sprint Momentum mod? I like the momentum when sprinting but when walking it just feels a bit too icy when stopping.
Very cool mod too, I like how it feels like you are actually controlling something with mass

[olive quail]

Is it possible if you have both ledge climb & wall climb to have it auto ledge climb? And maybe if you have crawl & dive to auto crawl into 1x1s would be amazing 😄

[wild python]

Rock wall climbing is hard to do if the rocks end in a non-stone block.

[clear furnace]

Hey Salty, wonderful mod series. I wanted to report a crash situation (that is easily avoidable, just might be worth letting you know about). I run the CarryOn mod alongside your Crawl & Dive mod, and whenever someone crawls/dives with CarryOn containers in their back and/or hand slots it crashes that client and all clients nearby. They (just the one with the container) also cannot log back in until either their data is wiped, or they are slain before they load in (which forces them to drop the CarryOn containers).

[cerulean ermine]

hey thanks!!

this was fixed in 0.2.3

but please check changelogs

"
Crawl now just slows you down to your set speed instead of stacking. If player speed is already ≤ the target value on the configs, the mod won't try to force to a negative number crashing the game.

Note: This fix only targets crawl & dive, I cannot prevent a third mod from crashing the game, if you're crawling and affected by hydrate or diedrate incumberance at the same time for example everything will go fine. If another mod tries to reduce speed more than the current player speed on top of it (like carry on) then it will still crash."

[clear furnace]

Understood, cheers Salty. 🫡

[cerulean ermine]

Thanks for the feedback friend! 🫡

[slow flax]

I’ve been away for quite some time. I noticed you came out with a number of mods that replace others I was using so I replaced them with yours. I’m having this weird delay while jumping though. If I’m sprinting and I jump, I usually just fall into the hole I’m trying to jump over. Any ideas?

[cerulean ermine]

You're using charged jump, this is a mechanic from that mod. Charged sprint jump!
You can disable it in the configs

[slow flax]

Oh. I like the charged jump. Didn’t know it was possible during sprint. Any way to change it so it’s another key maybe?

[cerulean ermine]

Well you can disable only the sprint jumping, normal charged jump still remains
But there's no way to bind a key to the charged sprint jump

[slow flax]

Bahumbug. I’ll just get used to it.

[slow flax]

Okay I’ve purposefully been charge sprint jumping and it’s awesome. I’ll definitely have to get used to timing

[cerulean ermine]

how's going with it? 🤣

[slow flax]

I haven’t had a chance to play since then. Lol. I’ve got maybe an hour every evening and that was spent tweaking mods today.

[oblique current]

all this is insane Salty.. well done

[cerulean ermine]

Thanks! I try my best! ^^

[green rock]

Diving and dodging at the same time produces incredible results sometimes

Also I’ve noticed climb mountain doesn’t work correctly on 1 block wide surfaces regardless of material settings. The character tries to grab and it produces sliding particles, but it doesn’t actually latch on.

[cerulean ermine]

Jesus Christ

[cerulean ermine]

How so? 🤔

Do you have video?

[green rock]

I’ll get some later

I was trying to climb trees so I added wood and plant. Works fine on a wall of logs but not on a tree trunk

[cerulean ermine]

Hmm, I think I already know the reason

You'll may climb it if it's exactly on the middle, but I'll try to fix it

[green rock]

Ohhh that makes sense, maybe that’s why it seemed to be snapping in and out of holding on. I kept crossing the center line and then going a bit too far

If you can fix it that would be awesome. I want to do a squirrel playthrough

[cerulean ermine]

Of course! I'll look into it!

Also, what's the squirrel model mod? 😂

[green rock]

It’s the fluffy kobold mod, it looks rather squirrel-like with the fox style tail option

[cerulean ermine]

Oooh makes sense thanks hehe

[green rock]

Also I’ve been trying to figure this out for a bit, does sprint momentum have two files in mod config or is one outdated?

There’s a sprintmomentum and a sprintmomentumconfig

[cerulean ermine]

One is outdated! The correct one is the one to set values based on material

[green rock]

Awesome! No wonder it wasn’t changing things when I messed with values in the old one

[cerulean ermine]

Hehehe the new one is also just loaded on the server

[high junco]

I have the same issue. Its rather disapointing, climbing trees would have been a lot of fun.

[high junco]

https://files.catbox.moe/raksul.mp4

climbing in the middle unfortunately doesnt fix it. but having any adjacent block does, even at angles

[cerulean ermine]

fixed!
https://mods.vintagestory.at/climbmountain

[high junco]

we are so back

[green rock]

squirrel time

[cerulean ermine]

enjooooy

[worldly trail]

alty

[cerulean ermine]

almost me

[high junco]

Could you expose Climb Mountain's climbspeed in the config?

[cerulean ermine]

Sure! I'll add to my todo list

i'm currently trying to bring effortless building to vs because world edit isn't survival

[lean notch]

in my experience, climb mountain kept interfering with charged jump

i would try to charged jump near a wall and it would instead attach itself to the wall

which made caving quite annoying

at least because catch ledge/climb mountain also seemed to be quite unreliable and buggy combined with the terrain slabs mod

i was essentially never able to actually make it up on top of the wall i was climbing

i would jump off and not reach the top

in retrospect that wasn't really necessarily slab related cuz i struggled to climb my own house walls and such also

so i only kept charged jump in the end

[high junco]

I would recommend using verticality instead of charge jump / crawl and dive. I simply disabled the climb feature from verticality server side; it has a built in charge jump.

[brave chasm]

Hey any idea why vault and roll would randomly stop working? It was working fine last time I played and I just realised it's not now... 😅
I re-downloaded it and it's still not cooperating and I don't think I changed anything that'd break/conflict with it

Uuuuuh apparently disabling your toolbelt mod fixed it.... 🤔 I'm not sure why they'd conflict but apparently they do i my game 😅

[real harness]

oy salty are you taking suggestions

there's one thing i can't stop myself from doing, it's bhopping

i'm pretty much perpetually jumping

good for traversal, gives an extra block of vantage while hunting

what about a mod that makes stepup the default for traversing up one block, but nerfs repeated jumps

aka jump needs a couple seconds to recover otherwise you do pathetic small jumps

[naive smelt]

Charged jump and stepup advanced

Or something

Idk

[cerulean ermine]

always 😆

[cerulean ermine]

Let's add source engine bhop to Vintage story

[real harness]

that would just make it worse

although i am not opposed to that

[cerulean ermine]

with thebackwards bhop included to fling ourselves out of existence

I love half life 2 speedruns

but yeah cool mod idea

It's doable

[green rock]

Would modding the glider to add roll be possible? I’m a huge fan of the do a barrel roll mod in Minecraft

[cerulean ermine]

I haven't use the glider in game yet (homo sapiens) and haven't looked at any code related to it, but based on the physics code i've dealt with before i'd say yes

[real harness]

tried the momentum mod yesterday, it's good and makes movement less op

however redirecting momentum on most materials feels a lot more like ice than redirection

cat on flooring effect

[high junco]

There's a config in the comments that fixes it

[real harness]

i think it's more fundamental than that

[high junco]

Its not.

[high junco]

@cerulean ermine would you mind making it so hanging off a ledge consumes stamina at a similar rate to walking for vigor?

[cerulean ermine]

This is the other salty 😆

[high junco]

LOL

[cerulean ermine]

DidnI made compatibility for vigor/catch ledge? 🤔

Wasn't it only climb mountain?

[high junco]

Only climb. Not anything for hanging or the rest of the parkour

[fervent surge]

yeah lol

[frail tide]

me checking every hour to see if crawl and dive has updated

[cerulean ermine]

I'm updating based on oldest to newst those may take a while hehe

[frail tide]

the hehe is such a tease

[frail tide]

very happy now thank you

[cerulean ermine]

you're welcome friend! Sorry for the delay! ^^

[frail tide]

do nottt apologize you got it out SO fast haha

[versed socket]

I suggest changing Slow Walk's default binding to Alt+CapsLock so layer away from Free Look's CapsLock toggle. They pair well together, after all.
Alt+CapsLock, CapsLock, walk around.

This frees up V for other uses. The only conflict I know of would be RP Voice Chat's default binding for PTT (Push-To-Talk) which is CapsLock.

[green rock]

Does 1.22 crawl and dive combined with dodge still have the super jump ability?

[night matrix]

I don't know how often it's brought up, but these mods and True third person is really good and it makes VS feel more unique.

[eager yarrow]

@cerulean ermine the crawl & dive mod still has crashes (i think it happens if it ends up setting the player's movespeed to exactly 0, causing some divide by zero exception further down the line)

also some ppl are reporting that crawling is slower than it used to be

[night matrix]

yeah and I can't crawl through 1 block gaps anymore

[rocky grotto]

Use Verticality as it includes those features and works.

[eager yarrow]

saltyyyyyyy

[lyric finch]

wanted to ask, how do you change the speed of the crawl?

[eager yarrow]

saltyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

we need you big floppa

[cerulean ermine]

Im heeeeeeere

Whats the bigssss

[cerulean ermine]

Gotta change in the json config

[eager yarrow]

crawl & dive mod can cause crashes at certain speeds, also reports in the comments that crawling is slower than it used to be

[cerulean ermine]

Negative speeds probably?

[eager yarrow]

either that or exactly 0 speed causing a div by 0

unsure which

[cerulean ermine]

Yep gotta set the crawl speed to a valid value lol
I'll put a guard later

[green rock]

Can confirm the magic jump still works in 1.22

The seraph space program is still in business

Dodging into the top edge of a block will also occasionally launch you

[final seal]

Is there a way to disable charged jumping while sprinting? It's annoying when I am trying to run and jump at the same time on a hill, because the jump is delayed by the mod thinking I am trying to charge my jump forward

[cerulean ermine]

Yes there's a config file for it!

[final seal]

I recreated the config file and the setting is there now, thanks

[marsh laurel]

When playing with a smaller player model and catch ledge, holding W doesn't climb the block. It doesn't matter much because you can just jump to it but I thought I'd share my finding.