Combat Overhaul

[hollow pasture]

Parries are a higher defense tier, so if you're skilled enough you can time things right and get away with having a worse shield

[faint plover]

ok then why does a single item has both?

clearly parry and block isn't the same mechanic

idk what each does, but it doesn't make sense that they're the same

bc the same item wouldn't do both

[faint plover]

oh, that's it?

(just read the edit)

[hollow pasture]

You'll notice when you start your block animation your character does a weird sort of "nudge." It's these frames which count as "parrying"

[faint plover]

oh ok

so block is hold, parry is just the frames, both do the same result

thanks!

[hollow pasture]

Yep!

[faint plover]

feels kinda op tho to be able to cancel ANY damage lol

if I have a heavy iron shield, only 3 creatures in the game can damage me anymore

and it's not a parry, it's a block

so like, what's the drawback there?

refering back to this btw
only 3 mobs have an attack tier higher than 6

[nocturne shore]

Directional defense

and enemies can clip through your shield from front & fully ignore your shield, most often with shivers & fast animals

and most obvious of drawbacks of blocking, you cant attack normally

[faint plover]

:c

btw speaking of shivers

where should I aim to strike?

bc when I hit their front, it does the "thunnk" noise of hitting a bad spot, like hitting the goat's horns

[nocturne shore]

idk really, i just hit them with club until they die

or i panic&die when i see deep silt shiver while exploring caves with bad armor

[final garden]

Same. I'm so sad the herbs mod isn't up to date and is currently non-functional

So if I already have full iron plate, is there much point in creating chainmail?

[final garden]

There are different sounds? I just beat them with my iron club, they don't really last more than a couple hits

[hallow bolt]

full plate is JUST enough to begin reducing Nightmare+ damage

you'll want like Gambeson at least for blunt protection

[faint plover]

I was literally gonna talk about this
I went in a better ruins place today after finishing up my full plate bronze, bronze chain, and gambeson
Ig it was a really bad place bc it was at y20, so maybe I should ve seen it coming, but still
I find one singular nightmare drifter. It fight him, but he doesn't die to my bronze mace, despite having no blunt resistance. He hits me once, 25 to 30% of hp instantly gone. I tried to run away from him and wall him off, but I ended up finding more mobs, like 5 tainted or corrupted mobs, and I died to the sheer amount of attacks and nowhere to run.
It was so disappointing spending those hours smithing, only to die in a few hits instantly...

Was I too unlucky and headed for a way too endgame place or do I need steel to begin doing any fighting underground?
Bc surface mobs dont do any damage to me anymore, but below the surface it s a 3 shot

[gleaming citrus]

Dude bronze armor isn't going to cut it

Especially against basalt floor mobs

That is endgame enemies

Bronze is early game metal

I used iron plate and I was able to tank a decent amount of damage from a massive basalt floor room at y 13

But I was blackguard and I lost a lot of hp

So try at least iron

[faint plover]

yeah but this is just so disapointing, I spent so many hours making it, i guess its whole existance is pointless then? Like why tf make it a recipe if all I need to do is gambeson, then straight up to steel plate
like this is boring
I'm 40-50h into the save, I wish I could explore something, find lore n shit

[gleaming citrus]

Yeah don't invest in plate armor if it's bronze, sorry you wasted your time

Especiallt with this mod it's ridiculous to make plate armor

It takes fucking forever

[faint plover]

if this is how it fares against a single drifter, I'm guessing going to the Archive is literally scuicide as well?

[gleaming citrus]

You can do the archive naked

[faint plover]

wdym?
I know how to fight but I'm not doing any cheesing or shenaningans

[gleaming citrus]

I'm not talking about shenanigans

Be super careful against the mineshaft enemies

Then use a shield for the boss or hide behind the pillar and jump when he slans the ground

Then heal with bandages if you mess up

Since you full heal with no armor it should he fine if you got the sulfur ones

[faint plover]

I never found a single reading of sulfur yet

RNGesus loves me

but I don't wanna do it naked, it sounds stupid

[gleaming citrus]

Make scale bronze and just heal when you get hurt

[final garden]

Yeah, obviously. Just got to get my tailor to get to work

[gleaming citrus]

Turn the mail into scale mail

The scale mail in combat overhaul can be used as light armor with no outer layer

Kinda like chainmail in vanilla

Get iron asap is my advice and then rush steel for plate armor, or just save yourself the headache and make steel brigandine

[faint plover]

God this whole event ruined my will to play
With or without the mod it'd prob be the same thing, it's just disapointing the only goal of the game is the lore, but 40H of progress isn't nearly enough to show up at these locations

[faint plover]

yeah but I got no iron anywhere near me either, otherwise I'd jumped on it already
that's why I made so much bronze

[gleaming citrus]

Well then go get iron, and go get the 6 iron plates in the bell workshop

Go searching for iron

You can use the plate armor in y 30ish or higher just fine

[hallow bolt]

ah sounds like your armor wasn't enough as Bronze chain gives no protection vs Piercing (10 damage piercing) so you only had 5 armor which is only -50% damage so he did at least 5 damage (up to 10 damage if he hit your head)

Also you should really consider carrying a 2-handed for this situation where you want range and AOE as caves are just funny like that.

Also blunt weapons do perfect damage vs rust monsters yes but that doesn't mean they do a lot of damage. Which is where stuff like Sabers (+1 damage, -1 slashing tier) and 2-handed weapons come in handy

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dEvhLqeOaweRgaYhn68PVj5zsRfKdojDqy7AIheHP94/edit?gid=218118911#gid=218118911y

you can see the stats for enemies and armor here

it "should" be accurate

personally I don't make chain until I got Iron because Iron is when chain gives +1 piercing armor

[faint plover]

bronze does give +1 piercing

and gambeson is +2

[hallow bolt]

hell yeah the linked google doc on the mod page is out of date

[hallow bolt]

only tailored gambe

[faint plover]

yes, which i had

[hallow bolt]

it sounds like either you got hit in the head a bunch of times

na idk how else besides headshots

[faint plover]

no it sounds like high tier ennemies can just kill you like that bc you didn't speedrun the strongest material in the game

[hallow bolt]

well it's not accurate as we saw

as it lists bronze chain as only 0 piercing and 3 slashing

[faint plover]

yeah it's +1 to both

[hallow bolt]

strange that you died so fast because the max damage possible for you to take was 11.2 vs a corrupted drifter

I have my limb damages equalized to 1x but I know the CO settings

you should have been basically eating their attacks

0.8 damage on torso and legs/arms take even less damage

full tin bronze plate + chain and tailor gambe was used to test

it sounds like they just RNG'd your head a bunch of times

as that's the only way those enemies would have been able to do any real damage to you

now if they were nightmare though, yeah they would have dumpstered you

also Bronze is more than enough to take on RA

specifically if you use Tailored gambe

as no surprise the boss does only blunt damage

just don't fight the bell or sawblade locust and you're good

though the corrupted locusts in the mineshaft might spook you

yeah that's pretty bad

wait what the fuck sawblade locust does tier 8 slashing?

fucking oof

[brave canyon]

Sawblade Locusts are horrifying

I always just get the hell out of there if one spawns in a cave

[hallow bolt]

yeah lol even with this setup of full bronze and tailored gambe they did 4 hp damage

[brave canyon]

Whaaaat. Damn.

[hallow bolt]

they take 2 pistol shots to fell at least so it's not too bad

[brave canyon]

Haha, for a second I thought that was a pile of used pistols, and not the Locust. I was about to say you Saltzpyred his ass :P

[hallow bolt]

oh I just noticed the Enemy info box gives you accurate damage stats

but yeah after testing to make sure it sounds like Cat Tree just got supremely unlucky

[brave canyon]

I’ve had that happen sometimes as well. It’s rare but oof ouch.

[hallow bolt]

as, unless they were actually nightmare, the armor set worn should shrug off anything but headshots

[brave canyon]

Yeaaah. Two unlucky Bowtorn headshots leaving you are no HP is ouch

[hallow bolt]

part of why I made all the limb damage 1x so that way it feels fair instead "lol got unlucky"

[brave canyon]

Isn’t it weighted to like, what the monster can actually hit?

Like a crawling drifter can’t hit above your legs really

[hallow bolt]

no they can hit your head just fine

see here

[brave canyon]

Huh. That was one of the crawling drifters?

[hallow bolt]

na just a normal one

[brave canyon]

Oh, yeah, the normal one is taller so that makes sense

[hallow bolt]

assuming this is accurate, you're right the crawling drifter cannot hit your head

but the non-crawling one can

thank you for letting me test crawling one UwU

[hallow bolt]

@faint plover I tested to be sure. It seems you either fought actually nightmare enemies or got supremely unlucky got hit by back-to-back headshots

[brave canyon]

Oh! Okay!

[hallow bolt]

I suggest you set your limb damage modifiers to 1x

so you don't get unfairly killed like that

[brave canyon]

Yeah, it’s nice it’s configurable like that

[faint plover]

Yeah, i said it was a nightmare drifter
And when I came back increative to get my body, I saw at least one tainted bowtorn, tainted and corrupted drifters (3 to 5 of em, plus the nightmare one)

[hallow bolt]

my apologies I must have misread that, I was under the info that it was corrupted drifter :c

[faint plover]

There might be 2 or 3 bowtorns as well, they were shooting fast from the darkness, but I was busy trying to dodge the nightmare

[brave canyon]

Ooh yeah that would tear you in half.

[hallow bolt]

nightmare drifter does 4.4 damage on 1x

if they got your head...lol

[gleaming citrus]

How can you see in a cave with a 2h in a cave

[hallow bolt]

you put a torch down

it's not like they're expensive

if you're in RA, then yeah it'd be an issue

[gleaming citrus]

Eh but when you have to run it sucks ass

[hallow bolt]

place more torches

[gleaming citrus]

I've done that before but it's usually when it's 1v1 or 2v1

It's just so inconvenient

[hallow bolt]

???

[brave canyon]

You can grab the Wearable lights mod then

[hallow bolt]

I don't get that at all but sure you do you

it's just an option

I mean it's not like it's raining in caves so torches should be fine

[brave canyon]

It’s kinda part of the drawback of using a 2-hander that, you know, it uses both hands :P

[hallow bolt]

to compensate for +increased range, +1 damage, AOE sweeps

[brave canyon]

In exchange you usually get more damage and range

Yup!

[faint plover]

I came in the cave with a shield too but didn't get to use it bc had the lantern on
Tho tbh being encircled by that many mobs was death anyways lol

[brave canyon]

I love my Long Axe

[hallow bolt]

ah yeah I always carry 64 torches so I can shit them out like that

[faint plover]

How do u light up 64 torches

[hallow bolt]

I use the greatsword now, the quarterstaff got nerfed

[brave canyon]

Light up one, place the others and light manually :P

[faint plover]

Yeah

All 64 of em

[hallow bolt]

place one lit torch down -> lit the unlit torches

[brave canyon]

I really wanna upgrade to a Halberd

[hallow bolt]

eh the Halberd was pretty meh imo

[brave canyon]

They seem sick as hell haha

[hallow bolt]

it lacks the block the quarterstaff and greatsword have

[faint plover]

So you re telling me instead of smithing a bronze armor, I should have just lit up torches for a few hours
That is the actual strat of the game?

[hallow bolt]

I mean I'm not the one that died in a cave. You control the fights you get into I ONLY told you other options

[faint plover]

Halberd and poleaxe are my dream weapons

I will make them once I get iron and steel

But for now I don't have a choice

Piercing damage sucks against drifters, they have such high res

So I use mace instead of spear

[hallow bolt]

yeah I swapped to greatsword from using the pike because of that

[brave canyon]

With range you can keep them at bay pretty well

[hallow bolt]

the pike is now "fuck bears"

[faint plover]

Yes but it takes so many hits...

[brave canyon]

It might not kill them fast, but if you are good at knock back, it doesn’t matter

[faint plover]

For bowtorns that don't matter

They have range as well

[brave canyon]

You don’t want to knock back Bowtorn though

That just gives them the advantage

[faint plover]

Their melee attack will always hit you bc fuck logic, it can hit you from 3meters

[hallow bolt]

if you have the firearms mod, I suggest a Bossi carbine for bad situations

[brave canyon]

They actually have an incredibly short melee

If you keep close to them they want to back up and distance from you, so exploiting that is great for dealing with them.

If you are right up against them, they like to Melee though.

[hallow bolt]

they also have a jank hitbox for ranged :c

I have a hard time hitting them with my bow

[brave canyon]

I’m just sometimes a bad shot, haha

I’ve not had any hitbox issues that weren’t vanilla, IE the harvesting hitbox

So glad that 20.10 fixed that harvesting hitbox though it’s wonderful

[hallow bolt]

oh right I got to update that

[gleaming citrus]

Honestly the forlorn estoc carried me through 90% of the game

High damage good range and 1h

And I just carried a lantern everywhere

Also the blackguard swing speed bonus was kino

[hallow bolt]

I used longsword

stab for range, 2-handed for more damage

[gleaming citrus]

I couldn't stand how slow the 1h version of 1h/2h weapons were

[hallow bolt]

oh that's the best part

you can stab and run into them

so they have no reaction time to your attack

I basically fight like a rapier and just thrust and move back lol

[spring sigil]

Does this mod make the (RA) ||eidolon in the archives harder? I had a set of forlorn armor and that things stones would take huge chunks of my health including the boss itself, i noticed different layers of armor, does that matter a lot in the mod?||

[hallow bolt]

it gives the eidolon heavily armored (basically cannot be hurt) arms but a crit spot on the eyes

also the boss does ONLY blunt damage

metal armor gives little blunt protection

if you wear gambeson you basically facetank the Eidolon

basically you were wearing the wrong armor for the damage he dealt (very few enemies do blunt damage consistently anyways)

[spring sigil]

Oh alr

Also is there a separate mod for crossbows and such?

[hallow bolt]

yes

Firearms and Crossbows add exactly what you would think

Armory adds more depth to the armor system and adds more weapon variety

(Armory makes it so you have to SMITH the armor now but you have far more control over what stats the armor has)

you can wear plate armor with only like -5% movement speed, but it covers less of your body (higher chance for enemy attacks to slip past your armor)

[hollow pasture]

Less effective weapons, less reach, more hunger, annoying to see with, etc.

[hollow pasture]

You should hit shivers in their exposed horrid face, but bellheads need to be hit in the body

[hollow pasture]

Yes

[hollow pasture]

The base game is the same way, in fact making armor takes waaaaay longer, but bronze plate+chain+normal gambeson is enough to take on the first story location if you're careful about not getting hit by the drifters

[hollow pasture]

In the bronze age it's actually way faster and waaaaaay cheaper

[faint plover]

I essentially only used 1h weapons so far, so "lose" anything (for hunger, just take it off, keep in hotbar and press x when needed)

[faint plover]

Oh I thought it was the area to not hit, thanks then

[faint plover]

Yeah ik base game is the same setup, co doesn't change anything in that, but I find it really bad, they should have exploration content before I get iron and steel, which comes so far later
Also thx for the tip, I still want to hit the archives

[hollow pasture]

There is a second chance mechanic if you take major lethal damage suddenly

[hollow pasture]

Campfire them!

[faint plover]

As in put them inside the fire inventory?

Like to cook?

[faint plover]

Oooh so that s why the apocalyptic night a doubled headed drifter spawned on my homeless flint spear ass I survived with 0.1 hp

[hollow pasture]

Yep! It'll light them all up one by one like you're cooking them

[faint plover]

Noice, thanks

[hallow bolt]

yeah but what if I simply don't take 20 damage from a gremlin with a stick?

[hollow pasture]

You normally don't if you plan correctly. Vanilla has other ideas though...

[hallow bolt]

exaactly "normally" I don't find it funny to just randomly take 20 hp damage because I rolled a bad headshot on a 2% chance to hit my face

[white bear]

What's the best armor for a hunter to use?

[gleaming citrus]

I don't know for sure but I suspect scale mail

[hallow bolt]

plate if you have Armory mod just don't make the arms

otherwise scale+gambe imo

[white bear]

scale + gambe seemed like the move to me

is there a way to pull armor apart?

as in the multi-piece armors

[white bear]

wait so plate by itself or plate + chain + gambe

[hallow bolt]

ONLY with Armory

hence why original message mentioned Armory

let me get pics

like this

you can get plate with relatively minor penalties

but it only protects your Torso

[white bear]

I meant can armor crafted together be taken back apart

[hallow bolt]

nope

it can only be assembled together

[white bear]

Seems like an oversight

[hallow bolt]

not really

because the combined set is just the same as the seperate set

but yeah basically you trade stats for Coverage

so if you wear only a plate chest, you risk a 6.5% chance for an attack that hits your arm/hands

but arms and hands have a -50% damage taken modifier so it's not "that" bad

[white bear]

Oh that's good to know

Im assuming head has a high damage modifier

[hallow bolt]

here's the modifiers for your reference

[white bear]

Oh so legs also dont need as much protection

[hallow bolt]

technically no

[white bear]

Technically?

[hallow bolt]

even if it's 50% reduction, a 10 damage attack ( corrupt enemy) will do 5 damage

which is pretty bad :p

[white bear]

I said not as much not none

[hallow bolt]

I mean you still need enough armor to begin lowering enemy damage

some enemies have tier 8 damage

like Brown Bears

[white bear]

Noted

[hallow bolt]

Scale + Tailored gambe is JUST enough to begin lowering the damage from Brown bears, Sawblade locusts, etc

so if you have access to tailored gambe, that'd be a good armor with minimum debuffs

[white bear]

I currently have leather jerkin and iron chain

[hallow bolt]

personally, I use Scale + gambe for general use and just pray brown bears don't spawn (or carry multiple crossbows)

[hallow bolt]

that'll do for basic surface enemies

but it won't stop bears and the stronger Rust enemies

personally I suggest looking into Gambe + Iron Scale for minimal debuffs but still good stats

it won't be good enough for the deepest enemies, but it'll help vs anything lower than brown bears, nightmare level enemies

and look into plate armor if you want to go for the deepest levels or stronger temporal storms

thankfully you can do 99% of content without ever "needing" plate level armor (though it'll certainly help)

if you want to wear the lighter armor but still fight the stronger enemies, I suggest some of the other mods from Maltiez

[white bear]

Thanks for the advice

My friend already made a set of plate armor but I hadn't started wearing it yet because of the debuffs it gave to me, I'll see about making a more balanced build for myself

[hallow bolt]

yeah let me put on a suit of what I suggested so you can look at the stats at a glance

[white bear]

Kinda still wanna put on tailored gambe tho

We dont got the flax yet

[hallow bolt]

tailor and normal gambe have the same debuffs so should be fine for the stat screen

keep in mind, these stats are as a Clockmaker (+10% speed)

oh what the fuck

I just looked at armors

and saw Forlorn Hope

lol that can't be right

that's better than every armor with less debuffs

uh I think I might need to check my CO

if this is correct, use Forlorn Hope armor

it's just "what if Plate armor had Scale debuffs"

[upper ermine]

How?

[hallow bolt]

sorry I misread the comment I was wrong

you cannot pull apart armors (except Exoskeleton armor but that's the exception)

[white bear]

Also im currently using an iron spear. Is there a better melee weapon for hunter?

[hallow bolt]

spear is really good vs animals, but vs rust enemies you'll want something with Blunt damage or just raw bruteforce with Slashing damage

I recommend the Quarterstaff or the Greatsword as you have the spear for single target but the quarterstaff and greatsword have the dps and AOE

[white bear]

Quarterstaff?

[hallow bolt]

2-handed blunt weapon

it has lower damage than other 2-handed

but it's REALLY cheap

my personal weapon that I use is the Greatsword

everything you'd need in a weapon

the disadvantage to 2-handed is you cannot have a lantern in your hand

but you can just place down torches

[white bear]

Is quarterstaff long or would greatsword be the longer weapon

[final garden]

I prefer the club

[hallow bolt]

I think greatsword is longer but I never measured to be sure

[hallow bolt]

club is alright but they have a spear so they need something to handle lots of enemies so they don't get overwhelmed

[misty steppe]

Imo quarterstaff hitbox sometimes get finnicky a lot, so i'd use greatsword. At the same time most cave enemies have no blunt resist so if you can make quarterstaff work, its just better overall

[misty steppe]

I think it does have more range, especially on stabs.

Also, had the same forlorn armor stats, yeah its maybe too busted? Adding a middle layer on it would probably make it more balanced

[hallow bolt]

quarterstaff actually isn't better overall

the greatsword does so much damage that it outdamages the quarterstaff even against sawblade locusts and Gearfoot enemies (7 slashing resist). The damage difference is even more noticeable on lower tier enemies because greatsword will do more damage while the quarterstaff is still 5 damage max

just barely more on the nightmare+ enemies but still better (roughly .25 damage more)

[hallow bolt]

yeah it definitely feels like it does

[hallow bolt]

lol definitely busted, I'd probably wear it over steel plate

[hollow pasture]

False. Fully conjoined plate Variants offer superior Blunt protection

[hollow pasture]

If they already have the maille, then it's more worth it to just Forge plate imo

[misty steppe]

This is great info, thanks for this.
Now we have proof that Paladins are better than monks

[hollow pasture]

Forlorn armor does come with ultra low debuffs. It doesn't offer as much protection as steel though

[hollow pasture]

Halberds also get a bonus with the Hunter, which has a piercing and slashing attack at the expense of speed

[hollow pasture]

Most of the time steel weapons have a high enough damage tier to ignore defense tier anyways, so the steel falx is objectively the best 1 handed weapon in CO

[white bear]

Oh shit I forgot about the halberd!

[hollow pasture]

Unfortunately, poleaxe does not count as a halberd

In case you were wondering...

Malefactor might honestly be one of the strongest classes right now with CO, especially with mods that add more downgrades to a class and give them more upgrades

You've got mace proficiency to kill things with Blunt weapons pre-steel, ability to get a flax farm up easier for gambesons, and an axe proficiency which applies to the long axe and poleaxe

Or Dane axe, I forget what the more viking one is called, but it's solid

[finite cosmos]

all bonus damages from traits are not applied in CO, don't they?

[hollow pasture]

Depending on what mods you're using they can sometimes. You'd need to test it

[finite cosmos]

so like, blackguard is just tankier sword wielder

vanilla in this part

[thin wing]

No the melee damage modifiers do apply

[hollow pasture]

In CO and it's sister mods, yes

[thin wing]

And to my knowledge the ranged ones do only for the bow and sling

The blackguard does insane damage

[hollow pasture]

Blackguard doesn't get a damage boost in base CO if I remember correctly

I don't think any classes do

[thin wing]

Unless it was changed it still has the generic melee damage bonus

[finite cosmos]

how do i change config/settings in CO?
i wanna test this but need debug info, which is present in settings afaik

[thin wing]

Saying this as someone who exclusively plays blackguard

[hollow pasture]

Configlib mod. Adds a button to your pause menu

[finite cosmos]

alright, another mod in the mod folder it is then

[hollow pasture]

Pretty sure it was done away with awhile ago, but I just switched to maining almost exclusively blackguard for the armor buffs. I play with a mod that adds way more negatives and positives to classes now though

[thin wing]

It could be that mod changing things too

[hollow pasture]

It works with a lot of mods really well actually, so if you have any other mods that you don't like a specific part of you can disable it

[hollow pasture]

Yeah, it 200% does change it, but check your character sheet to see what skills/traits you have

[thin wing]

I can't right now since I'm at work but blackguard definitely had the bonus last i played a few weeks ago

[finite cosmos]

well, blackguard does have bonus damage
upper is commoner, lower is blackguard

steel greatsword was used

[lyric marsh]

anyone else really mixed on the spot-based defense for the player?

seems so strange

probably awesome for pvp but for regular pve combat it's unnatural

[delicate ocean]

it reminds me of rimworld, i like it

[lyric marsh]

rimworld isn't an action game, ????

[brave canyon]

I really like the separate defenses. It makes a lot of sense, encourages a full armor set, plus the enemies do take use of it some.

[wooden fractal]

Honestly, I'll take almost anything that makes combat more engaging.

[faint plover]

I like it to an extent, it makes sense and encourages armor to be thought of when you assemble your kit, but I like that we can custom damage modifiers, bc I think x2 for head is too much and x0.5 for legs is also too low, personally I changed both to half of what they originally are

[lyric marsh]

but vanilla armor does that

it's rng but works the same way effectively, just more reliable

[brave canyon]

Exactly this as well!

The layers are fun, the different parts are really cool cause it comes with bonuses/maluses that make sense, too...

[lyric marsh]

co's defense system would make sense if the enemies actually targeted any one specific part, but it just counts where they so happen to hit

that's why it feels unnatural

[brave canyon]

Not true though, Crawling Drifters only can hit your lower half, and that's all they hit.

[lyric marsh]

that's an exception

[brave canyon]

There's like, so few enemies in the base game my dude

You can literally count them on two hands

[lyric marsh]

so?

[brave canyon]

Locusts are also small.

[lyric marsh]

locusts can jump

[brave canyon]

shrugs

[lyric marsh]

hopefully maltiez can implement a way to have vanilla's armor system with co

that would be ideal for me

[delicate ocean]

you can change the values for limb damage and also craft the vanilla armor pieces which do provide full cover

[faint plover]

Vanilla does that though tbh
And if you wanna revert back to vanilla limb that do nothing, you just need to tweak 2 values back to 1.0 easily in the in game mod settings

[lyric marsh]

no

vanilla defense is rng

50% body, 30% legs, 20% head

it's simple but clever

[faint plover]

Yeah...and how is CO different from that though?

Isn't it the same?

[lyric marsh]

co uses actual hitboxes on each part of the body

[faint plover]

I struggle to see how it is a big deal?

The end result is prob the same no?

[lyric marsh]

no

like i said, it would make sense if enemies actually targeted any specific parts, making you want to protect specific body parts for different engagements, but instead they just aim for you

so this dynamic system is confusing

[faint plover]

So you want mob 1 to aim 100% of the time with a aimhack your left arm, and mob 2 to aim 100% precision at the right leg?

That just seems like the most boring setup, the most exploitable, and least immersive

I took it to the extreme but I don't get why you would want mobs to be so predictable

[lyric marsh]

not aimhack, but make it a target, instead of the completely random "whatever part the hitbox touches in that moment"

[faint plover]

Which ends up being the same result as vanilla, it s randomness in the end, a situational rng rather than pure diceroll, but still rng

[lyric marsh]

vanilla's randomness is set in stone

[faint plover]

What would mobs aim for?

[lyric marsh]

bowtorn for chest and head, wolves for legs, drifters for arms

i'm not asking co to do all this, i'm saying the system doesn't fit the way the game's mobs are designed

[faint plover]

I think it s needlessly complicated bc I don't see how it adds anything compared to vanilla s system, but I don't see how it is a bad thing either
What you re suggesting sounds good, but needs balancing out bc if drifters hit nothing but arms, then you ll have stupid logic of "wear nothing but arm armor and walk around naked but invincible to every drifter type ennemy"

[lyric marsh]

not hit, target

so you would still want to have insurance for the parts they might hit instead

idk how difficult it would be to make the mobs target a small dynamic hitbox instead of vanilla's huge blob

[hallow bolt]

No, CO hits are completely random too

There's even a chart for how random it is

Even PVP is random

[hallow bolt]

Ah ok I didn't notice thanks c:

[hallow bolt]

Only 1 protection tier lower, which compared to the lower debuffs, is 100% worth it

[hallow bolt]

Yeah though I personally think the ability to block/parry is useful for enemies like bears and locusts whose attacks are easily telegraphed and hit really hard

[hollow pasture]

Unnatural?

[lyric marsh]

from a game perspective, yes

obviously it makes sense logically, but not in terms of game design

[hollow pasture]

Vanilla armor makes you lose a ton of movespeed when wearing a plate helmet so....

[delicate ocean]

how?

[lyric marsh]

what?

[hollow pasture]

They do most of the time. In the base game the damage is TOTALLY random

[hallow bolt]

I literally posted the percentages. What are you confused on

[lyric marsh]

but why do you have like 15 different hitboxes then

[hollow pasture]

Not for PvE combat

[lyric marsh]

if it's determined by rng

[hallow bolt]

You can see that each limb has a different chance

Hence why there's different hitboxes

Because where you're hit determines what chances to use

[hollow pasture]

PvP has accurate hitboxes, PvE has random chances to take damage to those areas based on whether the enemy is above, in front, or below you

[hallow bolt]

Above, Normal, or Below

[hallow bolt]

Pvp does not have accurate hitboxes

I shot my friend in the head too many times to not know

[hollow pasture]

It most certainly does

[lyric marsh]

this is why this mod needs to be documented..

[hallow bolt]

Then my friend has one small head

[hollow pasture]

It's most likely the second chance mechanic triggering

[hallow bolt]

You can literally see what limb you hit lol

It's not hidden at all

Granted I doubt his head had anything of value (he ate my cabbages)

[hollow pasture]

Yeah, but that must be a server desync thing for you then. Combat Overhaul's hitboxes are accurate in PvP

[hallow bolt]

Idk I'm not convinced but not like it really matters so should be alright

[hollow pasture]

I can consistently hit the neck of my friend with a falx over and over again if I swing the same way, and a poke to the foot will always do damage to the lower leg

[hallow bolt]

Pvp is mostly me going "dude you're so lucky I didn't hit your neck" (he uses a riveted helmet)

[hollow pasture]

We use CO:Reanimated, so a lot of the weapons tend to lead with the point more, making it easier to hit smaller targets at the expense of being distracted by cool animations 🤣

[hallow bolt]

Yeah it is hard to tell where hits are truly going

I clearly aim at the head with the tip of my spear

"Torso"

Thank you drifter

[hollow pasture]

I think things can get wonky if you "drag" your swings to hit later than a direct attack.

[hallow bolt]

Ah yeah we often do that "thrust" attack kind of thing where we swing then move in to hit

A lot safer but lol god knows where the hit went

[hollow pasture]

The only inaccuracy I've found in this dataset is that bellhead shivers do Blunt, not slashing, damage

[lyric marsh]

i didn't just mean the math, but everything it does

like the confusion above

[hollow pasture]

I've actually been working on a video to do just that, but with Maltiez's recent absence I haven't been able to bounce ideas off of him as well as I've just been busy with school finals

[hallow bolt]

It seems to depend on what attack they do as Drifters cycle between piercing and blunt seemingly at random

[hollow pasture]

Higher tier drifters with blades on their arm have different damage types assigned to their different attack animations

[hallow bolt]

The problem is I can't tell which attack it is

Though I suppose it is drifters

If you get hit, you likely deserved it

[hollow pasture]

I haven't been paying enough attention to tell which does which, but it's not random as far as I know

[upper ermine]

But think of the hilarity of only wearing greaves and jumping before every enemy attack

[lyric marsh]

how often is that actually gonna work

[upper ermine]

Ten to one a quake veteran could get to 100%

[lyric marsh]

you have no control in the air after a few frames, and then you gotta land anyway

[upper ermine]

Me, I doubt I could

[lyric marsh]

this isn't quake

quake has insane air control

here the grace period is like 8 frames

[upper ermine]

I just meant due to the honed sense of timing. It’s not like the mobs will attack in unpredictable ways or vary their swings

[lyric marsh]

but if there's more than one, can't really save yourself

[upper ermine]

Yeah that’s true

[faint plover]

is it possible CO stops me from throwing stones at myself?

coz it's clearly not working

it's weird also bc stone throwing still has vanilla aim lol

[lyric marsh]

oh are you wearing armor?

armor could be absorbing the hit

[faint plover]

I am but even then there should be hit sound

Or I wouldn't just be picking up the rock

[lyric marsh]

no actually, armor can completely absorb and ignore low damage attacks

i don't know the exact threshold

[final garden]

No, armour ignores that. I figured that out when I realized blackberries and rosehip had thorns in-game (like they do in real life) after I had been walking through them without issue, but my friend got hit with thorns

[faint plover]

Oh, that is cool ig

Tho a rock on my head would still go clank

[tall turtle]

Question; I'm trying to write a patch for an armor set in a mod, in game it appears to be functional in the item description it lists the new stats, but when you put it on it doesn't actually apply things like walk speed or hunger modifiers. I'm running errands at the moment so I can't provide the patch itself to look at but is there some obvious thing it sounds like I missed that would cause that?

[stoic mauve]

On the subject of armor patches, is there some way to get the autopatcher in this mod to recognize them so it doesn't run on something that has built in patches?

[onyx plaza]

Normally I don't bother making armor until I am at iron, but is there any solid bronze pieces that can layer with iron later on? Was considering some bronze chain or something.

[hollow pasture]

Stones oftentimes do less than 0.1 damage so the game negates them when wearing armor

[hollow pasture]

Please elaborate more on what you mean by this

[hollow pasture]

I personally would recommend you go the really economical scale or lamellar if you want early protection from Wolves or surface drifters

But you can realistically complete the resonance archives with full bronze plate, chain, and standard gambeson

[tall turtle]

I'm really pulling my hair out now, the patch I'm working on functions correctly for one set of armor but not another in the same mod for some reason.

It works for the zealot set but not for the acolyte set even though it shows up correctly on the stat card

It just doesn't apply the debuffs for some reason

[stoic mauve]

Rustbound Magic has its own handmade patches for CO for its mage armors in its files, and they're set to cover only the 'Outer' layer slots by default. I did some digging inside of CO's files, and determined that when the autopatcher is running on something, it assigns both layers 'Outer' and 'Middle' to be used by armor that isn't already patched.

In my tinkering, I tried to set the mage armor to only use the middle slot, or only the outer slot. Neither worked, and in-game it takes both slots. Therefore, the autopatcher built into CO is most likely still patching Rustbound Magic, despite it already having patches made for it in the files.

[nocturne shore]

not to be annoying but 12/12 + decent chainmail will make your truely immortal for all dmg

[tall turtle]

Numbers are easy to change, but it doesn't matter if it isn't working in the first place.

[hollow pasture]

That is really odd. I wish I could help you more with this issue

[wind token]

good evening, sorry to bother you all, but I need some help

everything was working fine but I tried updating and now it's broken

oh wait

I forgor overhaullib

works fine now

I'm just stupid

[tall turtle]

I can send you the .json if you want. After some more playing around with it I think it's somehow related to the item name for the acolyte set because just changing the names between the two sets and nothing else the zealot set then correctly got the other stat line while the acolyte set continued to not apply the listed stats.

What I'm struggling to figure out though is why that would be the case, I made sure to copy the string directly from the mods' armor.json just to be sure.

[hollow pasture]

What I meant by that is that I'm unaware of how to make json code work. I can read and interpret what some things mean, but making anything is like a foreign tongue

[tall turtle]

I just copied the formatting from another mod that had baked in CO compatibility.

Ah well I'm just gonna shelve this for now, I haven't actually played the game at all today because I've been messing around with this or otherwise busy.

[upper ermine]

That would explain a lot. Does that also apply to me shooting at, say, a heavily armored modded mob? Would I not necessarily hear a ping all the time?

[lyric marsh]

no you're most definitely missing

guns do like 100x the max "ignorable" damage

since guns gained spread, i recommend not shooting guns past 100m

if it's a pistol, half that

[vernal dock]

Hey guys me and my buddy ran into a bug, he disabled combat overhaul while having equipped gear, I don't know if it's still equipped but Walkspeed and healing rate are down to 95% and hungerrate is on 110%
we reenabled it because I thought you could get the stuck gear away but it wasn't there anymore.
any ideas if you could fix this by editing the save file?
(edit) we fixed that by using the command /player xyz wipedata + /kill and relog

[vestal mirage]

leak

[marsh iron]

Yes, please don't burn yourself out. It's really easy to get caught up in something and just do it until you're sick of it. By that point you can't even enjoy the thing you're doing. I greatly look forward to the comp-patch but real life always comes first!

[hollow pasture]

Damage under 0.1 is totally ignored and just does slight damage to armor. Punching someone will only very rarely make them do a voiceline

[hollow pasture]

Normally this is solved by just filling the slot with armor again and taking it off

[nocturne shore]

Mobs also can only have max 50% armor
they follow different armor calculations than player

[sly raft]

does this work for 1.20.10?

[hollow pasture]

Yes

[faint plover]

is it normal I can't place spears on the ground, bc right click makes it aim?

nvm I'm stupid

it s written when i select the weapon

kinda tricky holding 3 buttons on keyboard

[turbid imp]

Tool racks are a godsend

Do the normal axes count as battle axes for the purposes of proficiency? I see Armory adds Long Axes, assuming those count as battleaxes

[hollow pasture]

Long axes and poleaxes count, but I've done no testing with normal axes

[turbid imp]

Dug into the configs a bit, I don't see any overrides for normal axes so I'm assuming not

[faint plover]

normal axe = tool

so don't think so no

plus, it just has terrible stats on its own

[faint plover]

anyone here uses crossbow mod as well? i can't get it working

[final garden]

Yeah, I use it

[faint plover]

it crashes everytime i try to start a save with it, no idea why :v

[faint plover]

got it working with a prior version

[hallow bolt]

I use it too on 1.2.7

[faint plover]

i am on 1.2.7, I meant prior crossbow mod version

[hallow bolt]

Oh weird I'n using the latest crossbow version

[lyric marsh]

restart the game after enabling it

[faint plover]

i did

but it works now anyways

quick question: does the great sword stab do piercing damage?

[small tapir]

i think so

since halberd/poleaxe stab do pierce

[gleaming citrus]

I don't think so because the weapon description only says slash damage when those two you mentioned say slash, pierce and slash, pierce, blunt respectively

[faint plover]

halberd does slashing tho it says

poleaxe mentions all 3

but it's the only one to do so

so that's why i'm asking :/

it looks like it's the only one doing it

[hollow pasture]

I don't think so because it doesn't say so on the item description

[hallow bolt]

It doesn't

You can enable Damage log in CO's settings to test

[faint plover]

I did, always forget to change chat tabs tho

[jaunty willow]

Could not find a part of the path '/home/container/data/Cache/unpack/combatoverhaul_0.3.5.zip_6b08bc9c8ed7/assets/game/shapes/combatoverhaul/armor/antique/blackguard-pristine/body.json'.
12.5.2025 00:30:03 [Server Warning] Entity attachable shape game:combatoverhaul/armor/antique/blackguard-pristine/body defined in Item game:armor-body-antique-blackguard-pristine not found or errored, was supposed to be at game:shapes/combatoverhaul/armor/antique/blackguard-pristine/body.json. Shape will be invisible.
12.5.2025 00:30:03 [Server Error] Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Vintagestory.API.Common.Entities.Entity.OnTesselation(Shape& entityShape, String shapePathForLogging, Boolean& shapeIsCloned)
at Vintagestory.API.Common.EntityPlayer.OnTesselation(Shape& entityShape, String shapePathForLogging) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\EntityPlayer.cs:line 420
at Vintagestory.API.Common.Entities.Entity.OnGameTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\Entity.cs:line 1053
at Vintagestory.API.Common.EntityAgent.OnGameTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\EntityAgent.cs:line 605
at Vintagestory.API.Common.EntityPlayer.OnGameTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\EntityPlayer.cs:line 654
at Vintagestory.Server.ServerSystemEntitySimulation.TickEntities(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Server\Systems\World\EntitySimulation.cs:line 334
at Vintagestory.Server.ServerSystemEntitySimulation.OnServerTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Server\Systems\World\EntitySimulation.cs:line 174
at Vintagestory.Server.ServerMain.Process() in VintagestoryLib\Server\ServerMain.cs:line 914```

What on earth is this, this s inew

Could not find a part of the path '/home/container/data/Cache/unpack/armory_0.2.3.zip_9ac183436951/assets/armory/shapes/armor/chain/arms.json'.
12.5.2025 00:30:49 [Server Warning] Entity attachable shape armory:armor/chain/arms defined in Item armory:armor-arms-chain-iron-vanilla not found or errored, was supposed to be at armory:shapes/armor/chain/arms.json. Shape will be invisible.
12.5.2025 00:30:49 [Server Error] Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Vintagestory.API.Common.Entities.Entity.OnTesselation(Shape& entityShape, String shapePathForLogging, Boolean& shapeIsCloned)
at Vintagestory.API.Common.EntityPlayer.OnTesselation(Shape& entityShape, String shapePathForLogging) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\EntityPlayer.cs:line 420
at Vintagestory.API.Common.Entities.Entity.OnGameTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\Entity.cs:line 1053
at Vintagestory.API.Common.EntityAgent.OnGameTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\EntityAgent.cs:line 605
at Vintagestory.API.Common.EntityPlayer.OnGameTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Entity\EntityPlayer.cs:line 654
at Vintagestory.Server.ServerSystemEntitySimulation.TickEntities(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Server\Systems\World\EntitySimulation.cs:line 334
at Vintagestory.Server.ServerSystemEntitySimulation.OnServerTick(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Server\Systems\World\EntitySimulation.cs:line 174
at Vintagestory.Server.ServerMain.Process() in VintagestoryLib\Server\ServerMain.cs:line 914```

we're getting console spam from the above

[dawn beacon]

is there anyway to remove the modded armor from the mod but keep everything else? im not a fan of how you craft it

[stoic mauve]

Copy-pasted from up above; I forgot to leave the ping on when I replied and then I was away for the weekend.

Rustbound Magic has its own handmade patches for CO for its mage armors in its files, and they're set to cover only the 'Outer' layer slots by default. I did some digging inside of CO's files, and determined that when the autopatcher is running on something, it assigns both layers 'Outer' and 'Middle' to be used by armor that isn't already patched.

In my tinkering, I tried to set the mage armor to only use the middle slot, or only the outer slot. Neither worked, and in-game it takes both slots. Therefore, the autopatcher built into CO is most likely still patching Rustbound Magic, despite it already having patches made for it in the files.

[faint plover]

it is so unfortunate that shields placed against walls show us their backs

they'd be so much cooler if front facing

i know the weapons fit on tool racks, I haven't tried putting a shield on it tho

it'd prob look much better then

(i tried putting one on antler mount lol, bc that would have been a very cool mount)

[fringe chasm]

me and my friend are having a little problem with combat overhaul, because only blunt damage seems to really be working, and stuff like arrows dont do any damage at all, do we need to install a diffrent version of combat overhaul ?

[mint pine]

how do i get crossbow mod to work, im on creative and cannot find any of them

[finite cosmos]

almost everything hostile is resistant to slashing, and most to piercing, so everything seems to be exactly as it should be.

learn damage tiers

[fringe chasm]

it doesnt work against players either

[finite cosmos]

and types

[fringe chasm]

a thrown copper spear did no damage to a player with no armor

[finite cosmos]

well, maybe there is some problem then

feels like i've seen something about no damage fix in changelogs of previous versions.
which version of the mod are you playing?

[fringe chasm]

one sec im gonna check

[fringe chasm]

i think its 0.2.3

[finite cosmos]

nothing about no damage fixes, but you still like twelve versions behind

suggest you to update

[fringe chasm]

that might be it then

alright thank you

[finite cosmos]

👍

[fringe chasm]

which one is the latest version ?

[finite cosmos]

the one on moddb
which is 0.3.9 i believe

[fringe chasm]

alr thank you, im testing it out now

[fringe chasm]

it still doesnt work, arrows just fly through enemies

it does work on players tho

[finite cosmos]

well, i have nothing to add here, maybe some mods create conflicts, or maybe there some new bugs introduced.

you may ask @fallow surge about that i guess

[fringe chasm]

good idea

@fallow surge do you know what could be causing the issue that arrows fly through enemies without doing anything

spear throwing also doesnt work

[small tapir]

do you have xskills

is xskills and overhaullib also up to date

[small tapir]

do you also have overhaullib and CO

and are all three up to date

[hollow pasture]

Definitely update Combat Overhaul and Overhaul Library to the latest version. The ranged weapon issue also sounds like a common issue with old version of Xskills, so be sure to update that and Xlib to the latest versions too

[fringe chasm]

i couldnt find the oldest versions of Xlib, im not quite sure where to find it

[small tapir]

oldest?

wouldn’t you be looking for the newer ones

[fringe chasm]

*newest

[hollow pasture]

Well you want the newest version. https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/244

The one click intall will install the latest

It says it's outdated, but most mods are compatible between game version

[fringe chasm]

thanks a lot

[faint plover]

I am trying to pull a funny and copy paste files to make a meteoric-iron poleaxe possible

i have almost got it

the funnniest part is

the stats for iron poleaxe are in the files

it is already prepared

i "just" have to adapt the recipes, shapes, and materials

[hollow dune]

If you have xskills installed make sure to update that too its latest version aswell

Oh oops I see somebody else already beat me too it 😅 Had the same issue a while back anyways so yea

[hot pulsar]

I made a full iron brig set what other armor should I also wear with it

[hallow bolt]

I highly suggest chain because some enemies have up to 8 slashing tier so iron brig wouldn't be enough vs them (sawblade locusts, Nightmare+ shivers, etc)

[hot pulsar]

Ight

Thanks

[hallow bolt]

oh and bears

np comrade

[hot pulsar]

Does it matter what layer you wear things on

[hallow bolt]

no, they all add the same armor and apply the same debuffs

[hot pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-up-cat-kitty-gif-26577875

[finite cosmos]

and it's not like you can choose on which layer you want to put armor

well, maybe you can with like body lamellar, but why

[hallow bolt]

yeah some armors can be put into different slots but it won't do anything different so no issues

I guess you could put it on a slot that's easier to take off (for healing)

[hollow pasture]

You can do it with just about any armor. It's just a creative choice made by Maltiez designing the UI

[hollow pasture]

So that you don't have to go through the effort of making steel, or for cosmetic reasons?

[faint plover]

i just LOVE meteoric iron SO MUCH

but i failed

so i had to settle for greatsword

which looks cool admitedly

but not as cool as poleaxe

(the halberd is just a worse greatsword bc no block)

also i don't like the iron halberd looks

[stoic mauve]

I do wish the halberd had a block; I love halberds

[faint plover]

steel halberd head is nice, but iron halberd age is just...meh

it's the earlier ones which arent' my fav

[faint plover]

it feels kinda unfair, same stat as a greatsword

but just...a whole mechanic less

maybe it has more reach idk?

[stoic mauve]

It has adjustable reach, which is nice for in the caves

Or if something gets up in my face in general

[faint plover]

oh okay yeah, so more reach

also I love meteoric iron so much I might not make any steel armor lol

maybe chain if I really wanna be tanky af

[hollow pasture]

Halberd has a pierce damage attack, greatsword does not, but I can understand the want for a greatsword

[faint plover]

are u sure tho?

it does not mention it

unlike the poleaxe

[hollow pasture]

It quite literally does

Slashing, Piercing

[faint plover]

th

since when

[hollow pasture]

Since it got added to Armory

[faint plover]

piercing is only good against animals though

it's the worse against drifters

they have really high piercing resistance

but it's still cool

[hollow pasture]

That it is. Hunting large game or dealing with dangerous predators is easier with a halberd, especially with Hunter proficiencies

[hallow bolt]

Smh not spamming shrapnel bombs to kill rabbits

[nocturne shore]

Stone age, spam javelins
Bronze age - make a pike
after or late bronze age - crossbow is best for hunting

[final garden]

Heh, I just use spears until bronze, then use clubs/longswords. If it runs too fast, like rabbits, then I don't eat it or I dig trenches to catch them

[hallow bolt]

10 hotbar slots

10 pistols

[fallow surge]

Oof. too much to read... And I still not feel great and have time...

[gleaming citrus]

No it's cooler

It's a 15th century voulge

Which is epic

Peasant weapons are cool

[rustic mango]

I'm receiving reports of incompatibility with my own mod, Display Container Versatility
It apparently turns off the armor layering system and any helmet benefits because of the way it patches armor to add ground storage in behaviorsByType and attributes
I would like to know what's conflicting so that I can fix my mod to be more compatible
https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/23682

[pseudo elbow]

How do I parry good

[finite cosmos]

nah, you cant put armor in the layer they dont belong

[hollow pasture]

This is a Maltiez question, so probably best to ping him

[rustic mango]

I'll do that tomorrow

[flat compass]

Hey @hollow pasture are you free later on around 5 to 6pm est

Or earlier than that

[hollow pasture]

What for exactly?

[flat compass]

My players are having latency issues and small lag issues I was wondering if you could sit with me later on to confirm if it was your mod or another

Im almost positive the lag spikes are coming from this mod but as I state previously I love this mod

[flat compass]

Or should I ask the op

[hollow pasture]

Are you using xskills?

[flat compass]

The newest updated version

[hollow pasture]

Try testing without xskills. Any modification to health or hunger has had many people report major stuttering issues

[flat compass]

Yes

We tested combatoverhaul without it beforehand and everything work but when updating and updating to the newest version

The same old problem happen

I can explain it better in a vc

Im not good at formulating and articulating my words properly thru text

[hollow pasture]

Ask chat gpt to help you. Either way, I've got a pretty busy schedule today and I'm not sure when I'll be free. Is it okay if I give you no time to prepare to help troubleshoot?

[flat compass]

[hollow pasture]

I'll take that as a no

[flat compass]

No i was laughing at ask chat gpt

Yeah lmk when ur free

And we can go over it

[flat compass]

Also you said is it ok if I give you no time

And that caught me off guard

[jaunty willow]

Thissssss, can jewelry heavily modified those stats

[night crest]

Dunno if this is the right place for this but what are some good weapons/armour mods that are well balanced with combat overhaul?

[final garden]

The only ones I'm aware of are Armory, Firearms and Crossbows

Though I'm sure more exist

[hollow pasture]

The most recent animintech or whatever mod isn't terrible with the patch that someone made for it. From what I remember all the weapons were slightly stronger than they should be, but not game-breakingly so

[night crest]

Yeah I've already tried it out alongside the kohaku (not only) spears mod.
The hitboxes of some of the weapons are jank and the models, especially the armour are pretty low quality too.

[stoic mauve]

I was going to try and edit the autopatcher in the files to assign things to either the outer or middle slots instead of both, but now I can't remember where it was in there ):

[night crest]

Its not unplayable but it doesnt have that smooth experience you get with CO

For now I use CO and CO reanimated. But I would really like some extra weapon and armor types

[stoic mauve]

Found the patcher again; it's in OverhaulLib

I tried crossreferencing the CO patch for the armors in Better Scrap against the RBM ones, but can't figure out why the Better Scrap one works but the RBM one doesn't. I can tweak the Better Scrap one and have it show up properly in-game, but the autopatcher is still not recognizing that Rustbound Magic has its own patch and is running on it anyways...

[hollow pasture]

@fallow surge Do you know if there's a specific flag or line of code they have to add to a patch to get it to play nicely with the autopatcher?

[deep birch]

Has anyone had any issue with Helmets having no defensive stats? Every single helm in my save has no piercing, blunt or slashing defence. Any help or insight would be great

[hollow pasture]

Do the stats display in the tool tip for the item? If not I'd hiiiighly recommend that you go and reinstall armory, every supplementary combat overhaul mod, make sure you do not have multiple instances of CO mods in your mods folder, and clear your cache.

For whatever reason CO cannot stand having duplicate instances of itself even if one of the mods aren't enabled

[deep birch]

Have followed every step here and still aint showing anything. The stats do not display in the tool tip. Ive tried this on both 1.20.7 and 1.20.10 to no avail

[hollow pasture]

What other mods do you have installed alongside CO besides the ones made by Maltiez?

[hollow pasture]

What is Vanilla armory?

[deep birch]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/23204#:~:text=Mods %2F Vanilla armory&text=this mod adds playable weapons,them behind later teir metals.

This, however the issue has been happening before installing Vanilla Armoury

[hollow pasture]

I have a feeling that this mod is not compatible with CO at all, but I haven't tested it myself

But if the issue has been happening before...

Have you tried testing it in a creative world?

Also is it only armory added helmets, or all head armor?

[deep birch]

All head armor I can find in the handbook. Double checking right now to be sure, but I also think leg armor has no stats either

[deep birch]

Not yet will test

[hollow pasture]

Check on body armor as well

[deep birch]

Interestingly I have found that chain coifs have stats, as well as the open and lift helmets but that is all

[hollow pasture]

What about riveted helmets?

Or the specific seperated armory pieces?

[deep birch]

Them as well, looks like the armory pieces have the stats but nothing else. Leather helmet, gambeson helmet have nothing

All the plate helmets have nothing

[hollow pasture]

So it sounds like every base game armor for you has no stats

[deep birch]

Correct

[hollow pasture]

Which is not intentional, nor a problem for most users

I wonder if it's not your VS install itself

Though you say you tried multiple versions?

[deep birch]

Worth a full reinstall. Had the issue on 1.20.7 then updated to 1.20.10 using the updater

not a fresh install mind

[hollow pasture]

I could swear that it did a full reinstall upon switching versions, but I could be wrong

Do you use a external launcher for VS, or just the standard method?

[deep birch]

Just the standard launcher, nothing else, simple drag n drops for installing

[hollow pasture]

That could be the issue

1-click install is what I always use and I've never had any installation problems

Oftentimes it will download dependencies at the same time

[deep birch]

So if I for instance did the one click install for CO it would install OverhaulLib at the same time?

[deep birch]

Definitely worth a fresh install to try, getting one shot in full armor from headshots by low level drifters has become a pain

[hollow pasture]

I dunno what "low level" drifter you're fighting that's one shotting you regardless 😭

Lil guy is Mike Tyson

[deep birch]

Got ripped up by like a deep bowtorn melee attack that hit the head 😢

[hollow pasture]

Actually yeah, that'll do it

[deep birch]

I will backup my save and try a fresh install with everything see if that works, will get back to ya if it doesnt fix it

[hollow pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/domgcat-donkeycat-gif-24380643

[hollow pasture]

I truly hope it does

It that doesn't work, definitely try the 1-click install for all CO related mods

And first things first is to disable all mods but CO and armory to see if they all work fine without other mods

Shoulda told you about that first

[deep birch]

Im not missing any dependencies am I also? Not being a micro-brain?

[deep birch]

Lmao good shout I will try this before that task

[hollow pasture]

I see Overhaul library, CO, and armory, so it seems good enough

But I think manually copying files can sometimes miss things for some reason

[deep birch]

True, will all with one click

[deep birch]

Oh! This did work! Just the main three and I have the stats back!

Time to see what the bastard is what which fuckin my shit up

[hollow pasture]

Try with supplementary CO mods, then slowly enable your other mods to find out which is conflicting

Funny thing is I have like all of those mods and they work fine for me so idk

[deep birch]

Maybe an out of date version? We shall see!

[deep birch]

Found the conflict!! Its this of all things

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/23682#showchangelog

[hollow pasture]

I was suspiciously eyeing this for no reason, but I'm glad my superstitions were proven 🤣

[deep birch]

Others have reported the same in the last few days looks like that

[deep birch]

Good insticts apparently xD

Well I can for sure live without this one

Thank you so much for ya help @hollow pasture this has been bugging me for ages. Absolute hero

[rustic mango]

i'm the author of that mod

i was instructed to ask @fallow surge what to do for compatibility

[dawn beacon]

i had a full set of iron plate armor, but while fighting the first boss i was taking huge damage randomly, and i would hear a tearing noise. was the damage get past my armor some how?

[faint plover]

Did you have nothing under the plate armor?

In the other layers

[stoic mauve]

If it helps at all, here's the version of the patch I've been editing:

and here's a clean one from the mod's zip file:

[dawn beacon]

nope

[faint plover]

Well that is really bad, but did you also have full armor, in every slots, or like the chestpiece but no arms? Or a light/open helmet?

You can wear chainmail and gambeson under the plate
And you should lol
Chain is good against slashing, and gambeson or jerkin, is good for blunt which, mild boss spoilers ||the boss does blunt damage I heard||

[dawn beacon]

ive got full armor and plate helmet

[faint plover]

You could have got headshotted (hits to head deal 2x damage, limbs are 0.5x)
And bc you didn't have enough protection (a plate is good, but alone it s bad) you got hit really bad

Idk about tearing noise tho

But wearing plate on its own mean low blunt protection

Blunt is the one you can stack up on the most, especially if you can make tailored gambeson

[dawn beacon]

this mod seems to make armor a LOT more grindy

[faint plover]

Indeed
But a LOT more rewarding

[hollow pasture]

Actually it makes it waaaay cheaper. Base game plate armor takes 80 ingots and CO plate+maille layer takes ~45

And with iron plate a jerkin or gambeson is the only thing you really need to wear under it

For the RA anyways

[faint plover]

true, in vanilla you NEED jerkin to craft plate

in CO, you only need the ingots

[faint plover]

are you sure about 45 tho?
I had 16 for chain and 15 for plate in mind

chain:
3 head
8 full body
5 legs

plate:
4 head
4 shoulder
4 arm
7 chest
4 thigh
4 feet

[hollow pasture]

8 for the breastplate, 8 for full arms, 8 for full legs, 5 for plate helmet = 29

3 chain for head armor, 8 for full body armor, and 5 for leg armor totals to 16

Total ingots

[faint plover]

plate helm takes 5?

and chest 8?

[hollow pasture]

I guess you can Forge the breastplate with 7

I'm pretty sure the helmet is 2 plates and a little more

[faint plover]

helmet is 4 i think

ingots

i always made it with 4 ingots

well I mean, i only made 2 of em

[hollow pasture]

Plate or light helm?

[faint plover]

plate helmet

the heaviest one

[hollow pasture]

Well download Dana's extra info mod and see the exact number

[faint plover]

i got smithing plus it tells me how many voxels i need

[hollow pasture]

Because it could only be because I forged plates first for just about everything because I have a lovely helve hammer setup

[faint plover]

i'm not on pc rn tho, I can't open VS

[hollow pasture]

Ahhh, I thought it was Dana's info that added that

[faint plover]

I did fail to learn how to count tho so mb there lol, u right

well, to one or two ingots close bc helm and chest

[hallow bolt]

The boss does blunt damage

Plate provides very poor blunt protection

Wear Gambe or Leather Jerkin

[nocturne shore]

Plate is still better than other types of metal armor

and it got a lot more blunt defense than it got on early 1.20

but still, for stronger enemies you need to stack defense cuz it just ignores so much

[hallow bolt]

Plate + Leather Jerkin should be enough

Iron chain shouldn't be needed unless you intend to fight the more elite enemies

[final garden]

Maltiez seems to be taking a break for a bit. @hollow pasture or some others might be able to help, but you might just have to wait until Maltiez is feeling better

[hollow pasture]

Unfortunately I know next to nothing about VS json and mod compatibility, just a cursory knowledge in what works and what doesn't with computers

[final garden]

Hmm, and I know little about the code behind either of those mods

[final garden]

Has anyone sent you the crash log to see what exactly happens?

Er, I guess it doesn't crash. Just makes the default stats vanish

[rustic mango]

I don't know
I haven't downloaded CO so I'm just going off user reports
I have two JSON patches to armor

[final garden]

Ah. Must be some sort of conflict there. What exactly does each patch change?

[rustic mango]

Not at home but off the top of my head

• behaviorsByType
  adds ground storage to helmets and certain greaves
• attributes
  displaycaseableByType, storage/display transforms

[final garden]

I think This may be ready for feedback now. Based on Sallet and Bevor design. @hollow pasture, and @fallow surge (whenever you're free)

[final garden]

Well, I know it adds some behaviours by type and replaces some durability by type info

[rustic mango]

people complained about the helmets being bugged and not lamellar greaves

[final garden]

How exactly were they bugged? Like, had no stats, didn't visually appear, etc?

[rustic mango]

No stats, no layering

[final garden]

Don't know how I feel about the dark eye slits, but the game tends to do them, so I kept it in

[final garden]

Hmm. Can they still be placed on the ground, do your other mod functions work as intended?

[rustic mango]

can't test this atm

[hollow pasture]

The only thing I slightly dislike is the fact the signature visor style disappears once it's down, but it does seem reminiscent of the vanilla style. I personally would like to see a more dramatic tail to the sallet too, but that totally depends on where they were made

[hollow pasture]

When I did the textures for Combat Overhaul I actually made the visor slits waaaay more translucent and I think Maltiez kept those textures

So that's WITH the more visible eyes

[final garden]

Hmm. I agree with the visor style, but not certain how to fix that. The tail was a huge pain and I didn't want it to be too huge since it looked weird when it was like that. Most of what I saw looking them up was more tame

These were some of the reference images I was working with

[hollow pasture]

Yeah, early-ish German ones tended to have exceptionally long tails, often with no real taper (1st image), but later evolved into long and eccentric gothic plates (2nd image). Italian and English sallets tend to be much more shaped to the head with Itty-bitty tails (image 3)

But there was often intermingling of international styles, and styles would change drastically between smaller territories and their fashion sense

[hollow pasture]

Also while the 1st image isn't a bad reference for the sallet, it has some very unrealistic fantasy pauldrons and breastplate

[hollow pasture]

Do you think moving the visor further forward on the helmet and making it clip less would make the style more visible?

[final garden]

Oh yeah, absolutely

[final garden]

It's possible, yeah. Tweak the angles a bit to make the cubes stick out more

Originally they clipped intentionally to hide the edges, but then I realized the edges work well, so if I fix that it may work

[eager shard]

hi

combat overhaul`s animations are no longer a deffault or something?

in the pickaxe per example

updated to the 1.20.10 patch and pickaxe is doin the shitty vanilla animation

[hollow pasture]

Tool Animations is its own seperate mod now

[eager shard]

man ty

i almost died of a heart attack with the vanilla animations

[tranquil onyx]

Hey,

I believe there is some crash related to CO or CO: Armoury - whichever adds clothes that extend the inventory for holding ranged weapons or munitions - like javelins or bolts, or arrows. This seems to cause an issue with how items can be transferred from hot-bar to inventory and the other way around.

There's been a crash report submitted some ago which described a similar issue:

#mods-general message

This is crash log of one of my friends from a couple of days ago

Game Version: v1.20.10 (Stable)
08.05.2025 18:06:25: Critical error occurred
Loaded Mods: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Vintagestory.Common.InventoryNetworkUtil.UpdateFromPacket(IWorldAccessor resolver, Packet_InventoryDoubleUpdate packet) in VintagestoryLib\Common\GameContent\Inventory\InventoryNetworkUtil.cs:line 466
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.GeneralPacketHandler.HandleInventoryDoubleUpdate(Packet_Server packet) in VintagestoryLib\Client\Systems\GeneralPacketHandler.cs:line 404
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ClientMain.ExecuteMainThreadTasks(Single deltaTime) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientMain.cs:line 786
at Vintagestory.Client.GuiScreenRunningGame.RenderToPrimary(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Client\MainMenu\Screens\GuiScreenRunningGame.cs:line 161
at Vintagestory.Client.ScreenManager.Render(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ScreenManager.cs:line 695
at Vintagestory.Client.ScreenManager.OnNewFrame(Single dt) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ScreenManager.cs:line 670
at Vintagestory.Client.NoObf.ClientPlatformWindows.window_RenderFrame(FrameEventArgs e) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientPlatform\GameWindow.cs:line 127
at OpenTK.Windowing.Desktop.GameWindow.Run()
at Vintagestory.Client.ClientProgram.Start(ClientProgramArgs args, String[] rawArgs) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientProgram.cs:line 334
at Vintagestory.Client.ClientProgram.<>c__DisplayClass10_0.<.ctor>b__1() in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientProgram.cs:line 130
at Vintagestory.ClientNative.CrashReporter.Start(ThreadStart start) in VintagestoryLib\Client\ClientPlatform\ClientNative\CrashReporter.cs:line 93```

I haven't managed to get a consistent reproduction of it, since it seems to occur at random, whenever items are swapped from inventory to hotbar with numerical keys or the other way around, but it has only occurred when the person causing the crash has been using a javelin quiver - we stopped getting this crash when the quiver was put aside.

The person crashing the server/host was the only one that wasn't booted on this issue occurring, with one rare occurrence when one other person (out of 3) wasn't booted instantly.

also also, suggestions provided by Maltiez below the OP didn't work - wiping the slate of a player clean doesn't work, and we are not using xskills.

[gleaming citrus]

Is so cool

[faint plover]

Suggestion for CO
make armor stands wear layers of armor
armor stands can only take 5 items
meaning you'd need THREE separate armor to hang your full set on

so if CO could just...bump up that number to 11 (the 2 bonus ones are for a weapon and shield)

it'd be very practical and cool :3

[finite cosmos]

it already does

i put my 9 pieces of armor on my armor stand no problem

9 pcs in 3 layers

[hollow pasture]

Try hosting a world with only overhaul lib, CO, and Armory and see if it still happens

[hollow pasture]

They already do. Update your mod version

[tranquil onyx]

I guess it’s the only way. Will come back with some findings whenever.

[hollow pasture]

Normally random crashes like these are installation or mod conflict issues

[faint plover]

Oh my, thanks for the tip

[faint plover]

i updated CO
it's asking for overhaul lib, overhaul lib does not work

i installed crossbows a few days ago, it asked for overhaul, i downloaded it, crash on load 100% of the time

i had to download version of crossbow prior to the need of overhaul lib

game says this, and even when I get the latest version, crashes 100% of the time

look up my last post on the crossbow mod channel

is it bc I'm still on 1.20.7?

(fiy I'm not updating bc the latest versions are still bugged)

[final garden]

Thank you!

[final garden]

@hollow pasture Tried making the visor jut out more. What do you think?

[hollow pasture]

This seems like a you problem because Overhaul library works for every other current active version of Vintage Story. Make sure you're using the 1 click install rather than manually moving files

[faint plover]

Well that is what I tried but look at screenshot

I can't

[hollow pasture]

And I'm not sure what you mean by "still bugged" as the new versions are more polished than 1.20.7

[hollow pasture]

Not sure why it's not working for just you then. You've tried manually doing it already too?

[faint plover]

I m mainly talking about that drifter spawn bug

People having drifters spawn at any time, in any location

[hollow pasture]

Love it. It did exactly what I dreamed it would

[hollow pasture]

That's only an issue if you have temporal stability turned off

[final garden]

Yeah, I think it works much better this way

[faint plover]

Not since I tried with crossbows no
I think I will try re installing my full mod list from scratch tho to be sure

If not then idk ig I ll just keep playing CO pre overhaul lib

[hollow pasture]

Overhaul lib 1 click install still very much works for me so idk what's wrong

[hollow pasture]

Would not recommend

[faint plover]

Why

[hollow pasture]

The newer versions are typically more stable and CO has only gotten better since

[faint plover]

Oh no for sure, but I mean if I can't install then I don't have a choice 😂

I ll try again, worse case scenario I full reinstall VS

[gleaming citrus]

This looks even better

[pseudo elbow]

It’s hard to read Attacks their is no telegraphing

[regal sparrow]

Does Combat Overhaul have compatibility with XSkills traits like "Swordsman" and "Spearman." If so, what traits would blunt weapons such as clubs and maces fall under (I assume polearms would fall under spears)?

[regal sparrow]

never mind, I found the answer for all CO weapons, but I'll post it here for others just in case :^)
Sword, Club, Mace, Warhammer: Swordsman

Spear, Javelin, Pike, Poleaxe, Halberd, Polearm, Staff: Spearman

Bow, Sling, Crossbow, Firearm: Archer

Knife, Pickaxe, Chisel, Saw, Axe, Hammer, Wrench, Hoe, Sickle, Scythe, Rolling Pin: Tool Mastery

[small tapir]

im pretty sure this text is literally the only text on the xskills mod page

[regal sparrow]

heheh, yeah, felt a bit silly after I found it because of how obvious it is. idk why I didn't think to check under the XSkills mod page sooner after looking at CO's mod page

[night crest]

Woah actually insane. Is this for a bigger project or just the helmet on its own as a mod? I would love to see a mod that has all types of different helmets, especially my favorite armets, houndskulls and froghelms.

And whatever this is

[final garden]

This is a bigger project I've been doing for adding visored helmets to Combat Overhaul! I've actually just got two left to do, Silver and Gold (Though I was told to keep it strictly military, so sadly no froghelm)

[night crest]

Oh? So its going to be a part of CO armory?

Dope

Ah yeah froghelm may be a little too exotic😅

Is there anywhere I can find what else you've worked on?

Pretty curious

[night crest]

Depends on the weapon. First try to get used to the attack animations of enemies. Its usually the same one or really similar in timing for each type of creature. What I've noticed was for shorter swords you have to parry later than you would expect. For example for the drifter right about when it finishes swinging its arm.

[night crest]

https://streamable.com/ck7vit

The only video I have on hand

Dunno if you can figure out anything from it but it may help a bit

[final garden]

I've shared all the stuff I've done in this channel, but it's a bit of a pain to scroll up that far. The idea is to add them to CO: Armory, as I was working on these to try and help out Maltiez and Corat, but if they end up being too busy to work on it once the models are done I'll just make it into its own mod (though I'd have to figure out the code for it so it'd take longer)

[night crest]

Found them by searching your posts, looks amazing. Seeing your work makes me want to try making my own mods and make a kipchak helmet/mask. But I have no idea how to mod or where to start. 😭
Well good luck on your work though!

[final garden]

There's an official tutorial for how to mod Vintage! And the Vintage Story modeler for making the models themselves. Just give it a shot!

[night crest]

I've tried for other games and turns out Im completely illiterate when it comes to modding so i never bothered trying it for Vintage Story. I'll give it a go though.

[final garden]

I'm a game dev, so I'm obviously biased, but Vintage Story makes it a lot easier than any other game I've modded

[rustic mango]

You can definitely tell when a game wants to support modders

[finite cosmos]

they do, kinda.
well, it's more like they have a strange attack animations with a bit skewed hit timing.
but rule of thumb, when you see an attack anim playing, wait half of it, then block.

doesn't really works for bowthorns, cause they are evil fucks, but pretty much anyone else

except maybe bears, and i didn't really had any luck with locust encounters so can't say for them also

but you can train your fighting skills in creative all you want with anyone

[lethal meadow]

Does poleaxe damage type depend on the type of attack you do with it? Sideways slash, overhead blunt, stab piercing?

[finite cosmos]

yes

[final garden]

@pseudo elbow Here's the sallet!

[delicate ocean]

thats a pretty epic video, and a cool showcase of everything CO actually

[rustic mango]

loaded in with combat overhaul, this is the stats for a helmet
i can still ground store them, but two fields are overwritten

• layering options (gamboised should be skin layer)
• no protection

[pseudo elbow]

where can i download

[rustic mango]

This also applies to lamellar greaves, as I have added behaviorsByType for those items

[pseudo elbow]

is it not out?

[final garden]

Hah, nowhere yet, but I just need to finish the silver and gold helmets

[rustic mango]

Is this the right place to submit feedback for Malthiez's Crossbows?

[small tapir]

i think there’s a crossbows thread but i also think you’re probably not gonna get crucified if you talk about it here

[rustic mango]

since the shoot command for crossbows uses the attack button, they should have the property where you can't break blocks in creative with it

[rustic mango]

i fixed the compatibility issues with Display Container Versatility by loading a different patch that doesn't use behaviorsByType

[frigid kraken]

Is that a submod for CO?

[final garden]

Sort of. Corat and Maltiez were discussing adding visored helmets, so I offered to help and have been making new models and textures for all the helmets. Just have to do Silver and Gold now. If Maltiez is still not feeling great, I'll probably try turning it into a sub mod so that Maltiez doesn't need to worry about it

[hollow pasture]

Man, you managed to put almost every CO addition and it's supplementary into 1 short clip. Bravo

[hollow pasture]

It looks like the autopatcher is marking the helmet as a foreign item and thus subjecting it to the standard rules of outside modded armors

[rustic mango]

i'm not sure that behaviorsByType is supposed to conflict like that but apparently it does

[faint plover]

how do you swing so fast? for me everything is much slower and less smooth, how are those camera movements possible?

like when you walk left and right your cam bounces up

[night crest]

Thats the BetterFpCamera mod

Adds a lot of Immersion

I also have the Combat Overhaul Reanimated mod

I also like using the Salty's sprint & momentum mod but that causes creatures to get stuck on nothing for some reason so I can't use it

[faint plover]

i have it rn, and yeah, creatures do get randomly stuck in place :/

[faint plover]

and that's compatible with CO?

bc CO says no immersive 1st person

[night crest]

Yeah i was trying to introduce the mod to my vanilla purist friends lmao

[night crest]

That immersive first person means the setting in game which causes the game to render your whole body on your camera

Nothing to do with the mod

[faint plover]

oooh

nice, thanks

[red osprey]

Playing with rustbound mod. Robes dosent seems to work with CO. I assume its an auto patch problem. Pls help

13.5.2025 22:08:52 [Error] [combatoverhaul] An exception was thrown when trying to start the mod:
13.5.2025 22:08:52 [Error] [combatoverhaul] Exception: Invalid JavaScript property identifier character: }. Path 'Resists.BluntAttack', line 1, position 139.
at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonTextReader.ParseUnquotedProperty()
at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonTextReader.ParseProperty()
at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonTextReader.ParseObject()
at Newtonsoft.Json.Linq.JContainer.ReadContentFrom(JsonReader r, JsonLoadSettings settings)
at Newtonsoft.Json.Linq.JObject.Load(JsonReader reader, JsonLoadSettings settings)
at Newtonsoft.Json.Linq.JToken.ReadFrom(JsonReader reader, JsonLoadSettings settings)
at Newtonsoft.Json.Linq.JToken.Parse(String json, JsonLoadSettings settings)
at Vintagestory.API.Datastructures.JsonObject.FromJson(String jsonCode) in VintagestoryApi\Datastructures\JsonObject.cs:line 21
at CombatOverhaul.Integration.ArmorAutoPatcher.GenerateProperties(Item item) in D:\Projects\VintageStory\Overhaullib\source\Integration\Integration\ArmorAutoPatcher.cs:line 124
at CombatOverhaul.Integration.ArmorAutoPatcher.Patch(Item item) in D:\Projects\VintageStory\Overhaullib\source\Integration\Integration\ArmorAutoPatcher.cs:line 25
at CombatOverhaul.Integration.ArmorAutoPatcher.Patch(ICoreAPI api) in D:\Projects\VintageStory\Overhaullib\source\Integration\Integration\ArmorAutoPatcher.cs:line 21
at CombatOverhaul.CombatOverhaulAdditionalSystem.AssetsFinalize(ICoreAPI api) in D:\Projects\VintageStory\CombatOverhaul\source\ModSystems.cs:line 28
at Vintagestory.Common.ModLoader.TryRunModPhase(Mod mod, ModSystem system, ICoreAPI api, ModRunPhase phase) in VintagestoryLib\Common\API\ModLoader.cs:line 661
13.5.2025 22:08:52 [Error] Failed to run mod phase AssetsFinalize for mod CombatOverhaul.CombatOverhaulAdditionalSystem

[faint plover]

Is that why you had every weapon type in your hotbar lol?
You had 2 melee weapons, bow and its arrows, crossbow and its bolts, gun and its wadding, gunpowder and ammo
Half your inventory was weaponry lol

[finite cosmos]

when you deep in the caves, no amount of weapons is enough

[hallow bolt]

sharpnel bomb spam

[finite cosmos]

what makes me a good demoman?

[delicate ocean]

ka-blooie!

haven't yet used them, are they actually effective against monsters?

[night crest]

1 man army what can I say

The greatswoard since its fun to use

The poleaxe because it has all types of damage

Crossbow for quiet high damage

Rifle for emergency

Bow for fast long range

[hollow pasture]

Somebody was trying to make a patch for it and couldn't get them to behave correctly. Something to do with the autopatcher yeah...

I so wish I could help you folks more

[red osprey]

thx budy

[stoic mauve]

That was me lol; I'm going to keep prodding it until I can get it to do something at least

Doesn't help that I don't really know how json files work though...

[nocturne shore]

All dmg type is almost useless on steel tier

Since your armor pen cancels almost every enemy dmg reduction

[hollow pasture]

Bellhead shivers havs a high enough protection tier where every weapon but a falx or Blunt damage deal reduced damage

[hallow bolt]

steel weapon = tier 6 -> see enemy -> "Tier 7 or 8"

hmmmmm

[weak matrix]

Hi!

Is this white bar from the Combat Overhaul? If so, do you know if its something i can remove?

[hallow bolt]

it is indeed from Combat Overhaul

it tells you what type of attack you're going to do

idk if you can remove it

[final garden]

If you have a partially incorrectly installed mod, you end up with that white bar on the screen all the time. I think the fix is to update combat overhaul and dependencies and clear the cache

[restive cove]

curious, why does CO increase the damage of lightning?

[hallow bolt]

I noticed that too

I got outtapped from 27 hp by a lightning through my roof

[marsh iron]

Did it hit your head first? Headshots do more damage

[hallow bolt]

I have headshots set to 1x damage

[marsh iron]

odd

[hallow bolt]

so it's just "normal" damage

I was wearing iron scale + leather jerkin at the time but I don't think CO increases damage taken when wearing metal :p