Combat Overhaul

[prisma basin]

Scale is a compromise on protection,by design.

You want protection,you wear plate.

[olive abyss]

im just saying it feels like it went from "take this if you want to have a less protection but more mobility" to "take this if you want to die"

it doesn't feel like a valid different choice it feels like an incorrect choice now

[prisma basin]

I rucked into the Resonance Archives in full tin bronze plate. That includes tin bronze mail,and gambeson.
Nothing could actually hurt me,besides the three Sawblade Locusts I ran into (Which nearly killed me),and the EIdolon,whiffed two parries,but that didn't do much.

I said it just above: People are too myopically obsessed with speed.

Armour does its job.

Trust armour to keep you alive.

Good armour makes speed unimportant.

If you wanna be fast and subscribe to the Anime School of Not Dying,then don't bother with armour at all.
Otherwise,armour up.

[green shadow]

you are playing as either blackguard or commoner on standart world settings, correct?

[olive abyss]

yeah commoner

[prisma basin]

I'm a Blackguard.

Armour does its job.

My previous world,I was a Clockmaker. My sleeveless armour did its job.

[green shadow]

you have 25+ health, common entities do around 0 damage to you and rare deep enemies do at worst 1.5

how is this not enough?

[prisma basin]

Unless RNG threw a shot at my face or throat,then I was getting hurt.

[olive abyss]

?

common entites do not do around 0 damage

and if deep enemies supposedly do 1.5 that means surface bowtorns are doing half of that

[prisma basin]

Oh no. A whole 0.8 damage. Call the chirurgeons.

You're in gambeson and steel scale. I doubt a Two-Headed Drifter,a Sawblade Locust,a Gearfoot Bowtorn,or a Bellhead Shiver can do much to you.

[green shadow]

he said he was in plate and mail

earlier

[olive abyss]

no im in scale and gambeson

[green shadow]

yeah, thats scale armor for you

[prisma basin]

Hell,you can probably ruck up to the Eidolon and face tank it while rawdog trading blows,and win.

But yeah. You're not at any real risk of dying to enemies. Scale might be a compromise on protection,compared to mail and plate,but it's still good armour.

To insist otherwise is bad faith hyperbole.

[uneven herald]

scale is goated for general use

[olive abyss]

went pit fighting to have numbers to show, but it definitely does feel like scale vs plate has gone from "be slower but a tank vs be less armored but more mobile" to "be able to fight for more than a minute vs be dead"

[uneven herald]

did you increase hostile mob damage %?

my damage values don't match

[olive abyss]

im on a server so i cant check but afaik i dont think they have?

[olive abyss]

what's your armor setup?

i was wearing steel scale and gambeson

also to be clear (iirc) that was a bowtorn melee attack

[uneven herald]

i'm currently doing sandbox tests and i'm getting 9 total damage from bowtorns

you're getting like, 12

[olive abyss]

hm

ill have to ask the host next time they're on but he didnt list damage adjustments as one of his changes

[uneven herald]

np i can easily make another sandbox

with 1.33 scaling and see how it lines up

wack i can only do 1.5 scaling

maybe it's a different version of CO

[olive abyss]

is there any way i can check the version the server has without being the host?

[uneven herald]

you can peep your mod cache

[olive abyss]

oh right the modbyserver folder

yeah

theres 3 versions in there but the latest is 0.2.1 so that should be the one on the server

and armory 0.1.7

for now im just switching to steel plate + chain + gambeson

wish i had a quick way to don and doff so im not dumpstering my satiation by just existing with it on

[uneven herald]

combatoverhaul_0.1.30 + armory_0.1.7

for me

[olive abyss]

oh

[uneven herald]

it looks like bowtorns got nerfed later on?

[olive abyss]

both of those versions are before the armor nerf, too

[uneven herald]

yeah bowtorns would do 4.5 damage total after the rework

[olive abyss]

nightmare bowtorns?

[uneven herald]

yeah nightmare

quoting this chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DJzwPXaMZL3HfAC2N7zUcmRRIUSrGTB7oO7Q5fszqz8/edit?usp=sharing

oh 4

anyhow i was testing scale by the material to see how it was and it seems much more servicable in later versions

idk about post tier & damage value rework though since the server i'm on also hasn't updated to it

and neither does my singleplayer world

i'll quit out and update and do feel tests

lol bowtorn balance is really wacky post-rework

steel scale doesn't do anything vs them now but you'll still take less damage from them overall

[uneven trench]

I just realized I really need to mass-flax farm

[uneven herald]

there's some busted mod on the server i play on that added nz flax

[remote gull]

how exactly does the armor system work???

I understand layering

but like, how much do they actually protect you

[uneven trench]

additive

it's additive

add up all the armor tiers per row and then that's how much resistance you get

[green shadow]

check this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dEvhLqeOaweRgaYhn68PVj5zsRfKdojDqy7AIheHP94/edit?usp=sharing

it shows you how much armor protects depending on tier of armor and tier of damage

[remote gull]

omg i didnt realise there were multiple tabs at the bottom 😭

sorry lmao

[hallow bolt]

Though be aware that they can hit you in different spots which have damage multipliers

With config you can adjust those multipliers

[prisma basin]

Arms and legs are half damage,torso's full damage,neck and up is double.

[stoic mauve]

If I wanted to add quarterstaff proficiency to the ranger class, is this correct?
"enabled": true,
"file": "game:config/characterclasses",
"op": "replace",
"path": "/1/traits",
"value": [
"resourceful",
"fleetfooted",
"bowyer",
"claustrophobic",
"farsighted",
"bowsProficiency",
"crossbowsProficiency",
"steadyAim",
"spearsProficiency",
"halberdsProficiency",
"quarterstaffProficiency"
]
},

[verbal junco]

I've been loving the mod in single player but I was wondering how well it works in multi-player, espically in pvp? Are you able to parry or block other players?

[upper ermine]

I’d imagine it’s just like any other multiplayer game. You click your mouse and say a prayer to the packet loss fairy

[prisma basin]

PvP isn't a focus in vanilla or in CO.

So... it won't be particularly deep.

[hallow bolt]

Pvp is surprisingly fast in CO

I see my friend -> I fire a windlass crossbow at him -> second wind saves him -> he calls me slurs

Truly the pvp experience UwU

[wispy pumice]

face is 1.5 still not great.

[mighty knoll]

Group of buds and I Picked up the game added the armory mod, And Just got to making a cuirass, but despite Finishing it, it doesnt seem to be Finishing it's stuck in a unfinished state

[quaint pine]

I have a log that was generated where the bug described in the screenshot was encountered during a test playthrough of a personal modpack

iv decided to go to sleep and post the log if and when it loads overnight so i can drop it here as instructed in the screenshot (from the moddb mod page)

second screenshot is the full modlist

version 1.20.4

occured while hunting a fox with a spear

(reason i cant post the log rn is because its frozen and discord refuses to accept it for some reason so im hoping it magically fixes itself while i sleep lmao)

can drop world settings when i wake up if that makes an impact

sorry if im incoherent, iv been working on this for 18 hours straight with only 1 break lmao

Update 8:09am

PC bluescreened overnight and the entire vintage story folder is gone?????

i give up lmao. sorry for the waste of time/false anticipation

[lethal meadow]

Sorry for noobposting but, how do I hit... anything at all? (specifically, trying to kill a trapped hare with a flint knife)

nvm figured it out, looks like I needed to hold the button down longer

[graceful bridge]

Also, your cursor isn't what determines hits, you must physically put the weapon's blade into the target. Knives being exceptionally short, you'll need to be much closer than normal.

[fallow surge]

Knives are not affected by CO

[graceful bridge]

They aren't? Rad. My mistake.

[uneven trench]

btw, does this mod remove erel arrows?

22.3.2025 23:15:01 [Debug] Found 17 missing Items
22.3.2025 23:15:01 [Debug] Added unknown Item for 17 Items
22.3.2025 23:15:01 [Debug] vegetable-cookedcattailroot, vegetable-cookedpapyrusroot, arrow-erel, maltiezcrossbows:crossbow-simple-plain, maltiezcrossbows:crossbow-stirrup-plain, maltiezcrossbows:crossbow-latch-plain, maltiezcrossbows:crossbow-goatsfoot-plain, maltiezcrossbows:crossbow-windlass-plain, maltiezcrossbows:crossbow-repeating-plain, maltiezfirearms:arquebus-plain, maltiezfirearms:arquebus-rusted, maltiezfirearms:carbine, maltiezfirearms:musket, maltiezfirearms:pistol-plain, maltiezfirearms:pistol-tarnished, floatingfish:onefish-raw-salmonpink, bonesbonesandbones:bonespear-generic-bone
22.3.2025 23:15:01 [Debug] Item IDs have been written to savegame

trying to see which mods cause this unknown Item thing

[fallow surge]

Oh, yeah, it could be CO, will fix it

[lofty pasture]

I assume its a CO issue since its the harmony IDs being called

[fallow surge]

but it isn't

[lofty pasture]

Oh mb. Do you know what happened here?

[fallow surge]

Nope, is it reproducable?

[lofty pasture]

Was trying to recreate it, not at all. Friend for some reason is lagging a bunch on a random region of the game. We assume this area is tainted with something and it caused the crash despite the harmony ID is calling CO stuff

thanks for the heads up!!!

[fallow surge]

harmony id is calling co cause there is two methods patched in this call stack, but it is not that patches that cause the crash

[hollow pasture]

Hammer it with the heavy hit all over the top. Sometimes the voxels get confused and leave internal gaps

I just had the same thing happen today

[mighty knoll]

Much appreciated we'll try that when we're on next.

[final garden]

@fallow surge Hey! Sorry to bug you, but I was curious how you felt about other mods that build off of combat overhaul? I just started modding and made a little content mod that adds a couple new swords, but I didn't want to release it or anything if you didn't want people building off of your stuff.

PS: If it is alright that I release the mod, is there a specific method or calculation you use to figure out the balancing of your weapons? I'd like to make these weapons feel weightier and harder hitting, but I don't want to make them OP

[prisma basin]

Imagine if we got shield bashes.

[green shadow]

dont tell this to Maltiez, but i think sling does "true" damage and ignores piercing resistance drifters are supposed to have

one time i used it to kill surface drifter, it didnt felt like it was doing 1.25 damage per projectile, if it was tier 0 piercing damage

[hallow bolt]

UWOH

[green shadow]

put them on 🙂

[hallow bolt]

:c

[uneven trench]

you're on the CO chat, he'd probably read it

though it does make me wonder why he didn't patch the sling

[green shadow]

yes, lets make sling useless

[uneven trench]

sling is just a cheap firearm alternative

them guns use blunt damage

[thin wing]

Well he's been upfront that co doesn't touch the sling (perhaps yet?)

I mean the sling should do blunt, it only does piercing rn cuz that's what it does in vanilla lol

[uneven trench]

lol

btw, is anyone ever bothered by your arms+weapons clipping into blocks for weapons using co

or is that just consequence of not separating arm anims with the world

[mighty knoll]

Thank you lad, You're a life saver it worked :D

[hallow bolt]

Finally, my team has managed to find a Tinker's Blueprint

Now we can begin making exoskeletons 😎

[green shadow]

You need to find a blueprint? Can clockmaker make those?

[hallow bolt]

We needed the blueprint to make the jonas parts we need

We never got a Parallel Transfer part until like 80 hours in :c

[tawdry condor]

it's either a blueprint from BetterRuins or praying to Dave that you get enough parts that you need

[hallow bolt]

Thankfully temporal gears aren't that hard to get

As CO's Firearms + an arena at the mantle covers us

[nocturne shore]

he also said that knifes are not affected by CO so they too might ignore all armor // I need to test that xd

[upper ermine]

Exoskeletons in co?!

[prisma basin]

Exoskeletons needs CO.

[hallow bolt]

they're ridiculously expensive but simply don't be poor and you're good

[prisma basin]

Omnifunctional armour.

[leaden narwhal]

I have a question related to bows;
It seems that Longbows are strictly superior to Recurve Bows, despite the Recurve Bow having a more expensive recipe and being an exclusive weapon to a specific class.
Someone in a different channel mentioned this being a mistake, and that it could be correctly by editing a config file, which I'd like to do. I'm just not sure where to get started on that. (Finding the right file to edit, what to use to edit the file, etc)

[hallow bolt]

Its not

Try using a longbow

Notice its drawtime

[leaden narwhal]

I haven't had the chance to try either yet, as I'm quite new to the game and just got to copper age. I'm drying bowstaves (one of each) as the moment, and making leather. I was just going off the stats from the Handbook, as I wasn't sure what to commit to when I'd actually get resources to make my first bow.

By your comment, I assume that Longbow is then much slower to draw, as a drawback? If that's the case, then I retract my previous question, and apologize for being misinformed.

[hallow bolt]

Yeah longbow takes a lot longer to draw and is mostly for hunting

Though keep in mind that very strong enemies have enough armor to shrug off arrows

So you could consider a longbow for "starting" fights

Fuck bears

Oh btw damage is limb-based so avoid arms and legs with bows

Try for the head for a 1.5 to 2x damage bonus

[prisma basin]

Wouldn't the longbow have a much higher muzzle velocity,and thus permit more accurate/flat long distance shooting?

[hallow bolt]

In practice for CO all bows/guns/crossbows are basically pin-point but they have "bullet" drop and can swayed off course

Longbow is no different so as long as you learn the projectile drop, you can snipe things

Idk the exact velocities but its probably not enough to matter for most combat

Unless you're like trying to headshot snipe a deer/bear

I wish I knew what counted as a "critical"

[leaden narwhal]

Noted. So far, the strongest enemy I've encountered is definitely bears. Though, a moosen (I think?) slapped me from full to near death in one go as well.

I guess I should get a decent backup weapon. Are javelins/spears good at dealing higher armor targets? I'd like to leverage the extra damage to ranged weapons that the Hunter gets.

[hallow bolt]

Yeah fuck bears and mooses...

Bears do Slashing damage (chain and scale armor help a ton). Moose does Blunt? Not sure look into Leather Jerkin and Gambe cloth armor

Spears fuck up animals. They have no armor vs spears

Carry a Blunt weapon (club, mace, quarterstaff) to compliment the spear.

If you have Crossbow or Firearms mod, they're also really good (low dps, high burst which is usually what you want)

Do note that hunters do NOT get the vanilla ranged stat buffs in CO

They get their own bonus of -50% aim sway

A blackguard will do the same damage as a hunter

But they'll have Parkinson's compared to a hunter

So your "damage buff" is from far easier to perform headshots

I highly advise you look into Combat Overhaul Armory, Firearms, and Crossbows

As Hunters really like the stuff those mods add

Especially crossbows lol

[leaden narwhal]

Interesting. I do intend to stick with Bows as much as possible, as that's something that interests me more (I'm an archer IRL), but carrying a spear as a back-up to deal with animals seems like a solid plan as well.
I do have Armory, but I really have no interest in Firearms and Crossbows.

Purely for personal reasons, really.

[hallow bolt]

Ah then keep in mind endgame enemies will resist your bow's damage (enemy tiers are: Surface, Deep, Corrupt, Nightmare Nightmare will lives up to its name)

Since you have Armory, look into crafting your armor pieces individually

As you can wear a Plate chest with no penalties to your aiming or attack speed

You can trade protection for better stats

Ignore my stat screen (other mods interfering there)

But you can see I made a helm with minimum downsides to my aiming but if something hits my neck? I'm basically near death instantly c: (2% chance)

[leaden narwhal]

That's very good to know. I'm currently only wearing lamellar wood armor, until I get more copper to make some Bronze stuff. I'll look into individual pieces to avoid tanking my own accuracy, and still get decent defenses.
Thanks for all the tips, it's greatly appreciated.

[hallow bolt]

Np, lamellar wood has decent enough protection should be fine

If you're going to do a lot of hunting, I'd suggest Scale + Leather Jerkin as it protects vs Slashing and Blunt which most animals deal

[leaden narwhal]

I was going through the Handbook, and Scale did catch my eye

[hallow bolt]

Scale is the "light" armor of the bunch. Enough for most enemies without slowing you much

But Grizzly and Nightmare+ enemies will effectively bypass it unless its just straight up Steel :c

So you'll want a heavy set for the deeper ruins or heavier Temporal Storms

Thankfully Armory lets you choose what you want to wear

Plate chest but chainmail hands? 👍

[leaden narwhal]

I've got much time before that happens, thankfully. But likely, I'll prepare a set of armor and weapons for when difficult combats like that start happening.

[hallow bolt]

Most of plate's protection with almost none of the downsides

[hallow bolt]

Indeed, it took my team like 80 irl hours to reach that point so you got time

[leaden narwhal]

I'm in a fully solo game haha

[hallow bolt]

60 irl hours in my solo game and I still haven't even started looking to make steel 😔

Windmill expensive :c

[leaden narwhal]

My current goals are still finishing leather, get more copper, and get a chicken farm started so that I may get a good supply of feathers.

[hallow bolt]

Ah I suggest you put your chicken farm not close to your base

They get scared when near players for a decently long time and won't lay eggs

Basically far enough to where you're not getting close to it often

[leaden narwhal]

How close is too close, approximately? Is it more in the scale of 10-15 blocks is too close? Or is it more like 40-50 blocks too close?

[hallow bolt]

Basically they get scared when they see a player

So in a place you don't frequently visit is ideal

Idk their exact range

[leaden narwhal]

Does it require line of sight? Would an enclosed space mitigate the issue?

[hallow bolt]

We just stuffed our chicken farm in a corner roughly 100 blocks away

[hallow bolt]

Sadly we did both, its 100 blocks away and its surrounded with 4 block tall dirt walls

At the very least, I can confirm doing both works :p

[leaden narwhal]

I'll err on the side of caution then.

[hallow bolt]

You probably don't need many arrows anyways

As arrows don't break often when you start making them out of metal

[leaden narwhal]

That's reassuring

[green shadow]

plural for moose is moose

strangles you

[final garden]

Nonsense, it's obviously meese

[leaden narwhal]

I actually don't know how that "n" got in there! My uncertainty was about if it was actually a moose or not. I was just roaming the forest, got smacked several meters away with most of my health bar gone and caught a glimpse saw a big brown beastie with antlers before I high-tailed it out of there.

[upper ermine]

Why not use a crossbow for that?

I remember squaring up to a bear in full meteoric iron plate and regretting it

[fallow surge]

@spring comet I added StanceBasedMeleeWeapon class for more complicated melee weapon behavior when each attack is a change of stance. You can look into club in mod archive for simple example. But for more detailed description of what can be configured better to look into these classes in code: https://github.com/maltiez2/CombatOverhaul/blob/042f72292bb7b6c4cc80189e9c77c7eff495d234/source/Implementations/StanceBasedMeleeWeapon.cs#L31-L68

Some fixes and tweaks (and club reverted to standard CO)

[nocturne shore]

hunter extra dmg on ranged is removed in CO
you only get faster firerate.
Javelins have great belt, you can carry 5-6 of them without spending any real inventory slots
And their DPS is probably one of highest ranged weapons, even when halved vs too strong armor, its still quite good

[green shadow]

javelins are pretty bad against drifters

with steel meteoric iron/steel javelin you can hurt low tier ones at least

[heady dirge]

Hello, I'm looking to get a better understanding of this mod.

I plan to use this mod as well as the armory mods on a server and am trying to test the mechanics on a single player in the mean time. It would mean a lot if I could get some guidance on how this mod is suppose to be treated when it comes to combat as I'm having a hard time understanding the use of different weapons against the hostile mobs.

For example: Are some damage types better to use against certain enemies?

[green shadow]

all entities in the game have different defense treshholds

drifters, locuts and other otherwordly enemies have HIGH resistance to piercing damage

meaning- crossbows, javelins, spears are ineffective against them (with some exceptions)

on the other hand, those types of enemies have not protection agaist blunt

animals are the opposite - high resistance to blunt damage and no resistance to piercing damage

slashing damage is a middle ground - everyone has some resistance against it but it does not go into high values

example how damage works - you attack surface drifter (tier 4 piercing damage) with an iron spear (tier 4 piercing resistance) - you will do 75% of damage to it

if enemy defense tier is HIGHER then your weapon damage tier - you will do half damage, you cant deal lower then half damage

if its higher you will do full damage

example - you shoot a nightmare drifter (tier 6 piercing resistance) with a windlass crossbow (tier 7 piercing damage)

you will do full damage to it

[heady dirge]

My god you have been so very helpful

Thank you so much

I couldn't find anything on these types of values anywhere

[green shadow]

you want to use weapons that do blunt damage to kill drifters, and weapons that do piercing damage to kill animals

blackguard can use high tier swords

instead of blunt

particulary falxes

[heady dirge]

This is what I was figured but after your explanation I realize I was testing this out so wrong since I was using lower tier enemies than my weapons.

[green shadow]

but the only thing that matters is weapon damage tier

musket does BLUNT damage, animals are resistant to blunt damage

but musket is tier NINE, it will punch through every animal in the game regardless

[heady dirge]

That makes sense as it's a slug, so in general it will punch through pretty much all enemies in the game and the balance is the reload speed and cost of resources I'd assume? I haven't made it that far in testing.

[green shadow]

its a late game weapon that is expensive to make, expensive to fire and its reload time is 16 seconds

[heady dirge]

Yeah that would do it, basically fire once against other world mobs and go straight to melee.

[green shadow]

on a headshot you will instantly kill a polar bear with it

[heady dirge]

Karina you've been really helpful in helping me understand this but would you mind humoring me some more? I have a lot to understand ;-;

[green shadow]

sure, ask away

[heady dirge]

So in this case would the other mobs have different damage types as well? For example a bowtorn having piercing and I would assume a drifter having blunt for both the melee attack and rock throw?

[green shadow]

correct

[heady dirge]

(Also if this is too much to type I can hop into a voice channel if you are up to it but no pressure at all)

[green shadow]

animals do slashing damage usually except for moose/ram/pig who do blunt
drifters of tier 0-1 only do blunt damage
drifters of tier 2 and above can either do blunt atttack or piercing attack
bowtorn, locust/corrupt locust do piercing damage
sawblade and shiver do slashing damage
eidolon does blunt damage

[heady dirge]

That literally answered my next questions about the other mobs (Although I don't know what the eidolon is but I'm gonna assume I'll find out eventually).

[green shadow]

you will 😄

[heady dirge]

So I'm mostly a blackgaurd player when it comes to the game since I plan to play with friends. When it comes to higher tier enemies that are resistant to piece and slash does this mean I should use something like a mace or club in those cases since my damage is already being reduced? Or would swords be enough because of the speed buff?

[green shadow]

check the first link

[green shadow]

you use falx

falx cant parry/block like regular swords but as an upside it has +1 attack tier

steel falx is tier 7, highest enemy slashing resistance is tier 6

[heady dirge]

To be truthful I saw the balancing table and read it but I struggled to get a fixed understanding since:

1. I didn't understand the damage values and mitigation that you just now taught me
2. I couldn't find what the different values meant exactly and didn't see a protection value
3. My articulation skills are just really poor so thank you again for your help ;-;

[green shadow]

but other swords are not bad either, if enemy is not of particulary high tier

nw!

[heady dirge]

I see, so when fighting seriously a falx would be better than say the blackguard sword or the other modded options such as the long swords and etc?

[green shadow]

tin bronze falx is tier 4 slashing damage, it should rip right through most early drifters

but it cant parry

and has very low reach

longsword is longer and can parry

at steel tier you can also forge a zweinhander

a big ass sword

[heady dirge]

How big is the parry window? I honestly can't seem to pull it off against any of the mobs and I ended up considering it for only PVP use.

[heady dirge]

Our favorite great sword. (Zweinhander)*

[green shadow]

i dont know, i just block instead

twohanded block is tier 7 protection for most of your body

[heady dirge]

Yeah I was mostly thinking of using sword and board but the longswords and great swords look fun too. I'm honestly just worried about the many projectiles I think I'd be facing ;-;

Speaking of which the shields, how hard do I need to aim witht he normal shields and light shields? Because I honestly don't know how to block head shots and feet shots.

[green shadow]

bowtorn do low-moderate damage, but they can have high attack tier

[green shadow]

i never use shields tbh

as clockmaker my class weapon is quarterstaff and its two handed

i dont think you have to "aim" a block

you just hold it and its defense value is added to your armor when you get hit

[heady dirge]

Wait so it still works like the base game shield mechanics then?

[green shadow]

maybe

[heady dirge]

Alright, I'll need to keep testing that then. So as for the block for the staff you use. That is damage mitigation then? And does that mean projectiles can't be blocked?

[green shadow]

i heard Maltiez were planning to add so projectiles can only be blocked with a shield but i cant confirm whether its in the mod rn

which honestly makes complete sense, you are not a Witcher, you cant deflet arrow mid air with a sword

[heady dirge]

That's fair, and understandable. So blocking mechanic wise is just damage absorbsation essentially? Meaning I still take damage but it's reduced if I'm understanding this correctly? (When it comes to blocking with a melee).

[green shadow]

as far as i know

it just adds defense value to your equiped armor

player damage mitigation works differently from creature damage mitigation

check that pinned link

[heady dirge]

omfg I just realized the tabs at the bottom of the page ;-;

[green shadow]

New Damage Reduction tab

[heady dirge]

Now I realize why I was struggling so hard to find this info. IT WAS RIGHT THERE ALL ALONG 💀

Well, that opend my eyes and now I feel quite stupid.

I'll make sure to refer to this, thank you.

[green shadow]

its somewhat outdated

i dont have the link to latest changes

[heady dirge]

Understood, would it be best to pay attention here to see new changes then?

[green shadow]

enemy damage tiers and damage were changed, for example

ask around when more people are online, yeah

[heady dirge]

Yeah that seems accurate, if I'm reading this right this would mean the flax does 4 damage and is a tier 3 weapon?

[green shadow]

yeag

surface level drifters have tier 2 slashing protection, so you always do full damage to them

deep drifters have tier 3 slashing protection, so you will do only 3 damage (75%) instead of 4

highter tiers will have 4-6 slashing protection, you will be doing 2 damage per hit

[heady dirge]

So basically a high insentive to keep upgrading to adventure into my dangerous areas, yeah I better prepare better then.

[green shadow]

with bronze falx you should be pretty safe in upper caves

as you should at worst see tainted drifters there

blackguard also have a recipe for a unique iron sword that does extra damage compared to the rest of iron weapons

you can also use blunt weapons if you encounter something that not even falx can pierce

[heady dirge]

Yeah I noticed that, sadly though while I was hoping it would be better than the iron falx but after learning about the tier mechanic it's a tier lower than the falx. Makes sense condsidering the world but makes it a tough choice.

[green shadow]

your will still do +30% more damage per swing with every other melee weapon

[heady dirge]

Yeah I'd assume I'd switch to blunt when coming across and enemy of a higher tier to mitigate damage redutction.

That's true, I forgot about that.

[green shadow]

there are also weapon that can do multiple different damage types

depending on the attack animation you do

halberd does slashing/piercing damage

poleaxe can do all three

halberd is a class weapon for a hunter

and i think poleaxe counts as an axe so its a malefactor class weapon

[heady dirge]

Huh I didn't expect it to be that indepth.

Makes sense of course based on if you do a thrust or a slash but yeah that's pretty cool!

Karina you've been so helpful, I can't thank you enough, learning is not my strong suit but you made it easy to understand. I appreiciate it.

[green shadow]

you dont have to thank me, i got nothing better to do rn anyway

[heady dirge]

Haha, a modest one then. I'll rely on you in the future then if it comes to it as I'll probably need to monitor this thread* for changes and etc. I hope the rest of your night/day goes well and wish you the best.

I gotta get back to work on my server :/

[green shadow]

nw, good luck

[hallow bolt]

I mentioned crossbows but they wish to use bows

[spring comet]

ooh thanks a lot! I'll take a look

[buoyant onyx]

holy hell, where are you supposed to aim with the firearms mod
feels like no matter if i line up the barrel, crosshair, or the + before aiming the bullet just doesnt go where i want it to

[uneven trench]

there's a spread mechanic iirc

side effect of being a glorified bow

[fallow surge]

Right now firearms has zero spread, and they are not a glorified bow

[uneven trench]

huh

non-aligned sights then

[fallow surge]

Try setting first person hands Y-Position in game settings to 0

[fallow surge]

#1135402924290359336 message this was about first versions of firearms more than a year ago

[buoyant onyx]

for having zero spread the aiming itself is horrible, even worse if you've got armor
im aimed directly at the flat top of that dead drifters head for reference

[thin wing]

the gun looks like it's pointing to the right of the drifter though

pretty sure you're supposed to aim using the actual gun model, not just where the center of your screen is

your aim wobbles in CO

[fallow surge]

You can adjust aiming difficulty in settings

[thin wing]

how much it wobbles depends on your class and armor etc.

[buoyant onyx]

Do have clockmaster but iirc thats just the reload speed

[uneven trench]

don't use armor that fits on the arm and hand slots

[hallow bolt]

I play hunter and I still go for minimal steady aim debuffs

[thin wing]

only hunter has higher accuracy than default, yeah

[hallow bolt]

Lets me dome deer like 30 blocks out c:

(After I miss like 4 times from bullet drop)

[prisma basin]

Blessedly,CO lets you get (almost) full plate protection without compromising accuracy and reload times.

Skin Layer) Gambeson,tailored or otherwise,head to toe.
Middle Layer) Mail coif (NOT HEAD ARMOUR),mail shirt (NOT BODY ARMOUR),mail leg armour.
Shell Layer) Open helm,cuirass,plate leg armour.

This leaves your face,neck,and arms with minimal protection. If RNG throws an attack at your neck or face,that's 1.5x to 2x damage eaten,which sucks,but it's the compromise you pay for being otherwise protected while being competent at range. If RNG throws an attack at your arms,big whoop,that's half damage eaten.

If the attack lands literally *anywhere else,*you're taking less than one damage.

Borderline invulnerability.

[thin wing]

or just wear full plate, be basically invulnerable, and run up with still most of your mobility because you're playing blackguard and hit them with a stick

[prisma basin]

That is my current playthrough in a nutshell.

Full plate and swords.

[thin wing]

a blackguard with a greatsword in CO is absolutely bananas

you really feel like a juggernaut lol

[prisma basin]

Shortsword for cramped quarters,longsword (bronze) or greatstword (thereafter) for everything else.
Javelin for if I must menace at a short distance.

Strawman: "B-b-but arm armour makes you swing slow!"
Don't care,didn't ask,swing speed bonus negates it with interest,anyways.
Strawman: "B-b-but armour makes you slow!"
Don't care,didn't ask,nothing can outrun you anyways,besides another player. And PvP isn't a consideration for both vanilla and CO.
Strawman: "B-b-but armour makes you hungry!"
Don't care,didn't ask,meals exist. Pack a crock,some fat or wax,and a bowl.
Strawman: "B-b-but armour makes it hard to heal!"
Don't care,didn't ask,you're borderline invulnerable. Strip the armour after combat's over and slap on a bandage or cram a muffin into your mouth before armouring back up.

[thin wing]

if i'm travelling super long distance i'll use the elk so the movespeed penalty isn't a big deal anyway

[prisma basin]

Before that point? Two feet and a heartbeat works just as well.

[thin wing]

but yeah, any loss to accuracy or DPS doesn't matter much compared to the benefits of Never Dying

[prisma basin]

Just carry the armour until it's needed.

[fallow surge]

Armor is still overpowered?

[thin wing]

i haven't tested the rebalanced armor if that's what you mean, i mean in general

i'm being hyperbolic the very high tier enemies still do did decent damage even in full plate

but "decent damage" is still a gigantic improvement over "obliterated in one hit"

[prisma basin]

My experience is from wearing full plate. Gambeson,mail,and plates.
Bronze,in the Archives,nothing could properly threaten me besides the three Sawblade Locusts I ran into. The Eidolon theoretically could,if it wasn't parry bait.

[thin wing]

i think if you're comitting to full plate, mail, and chain you should be a complete tank yeah

[sinful panther]

FALCON- i mean DRIFTER PUNCH -28 hp head hit

[prisma basin]

Considering just how effective full plate is at keeping your semi-mortal ass alive,I genuinely fail to see the draw of scale. Are the penalties really so much lower to justify the reduction in protection?

I can see the draw of incomplete layering. Materials can sometimes be a problem to come across.
Looking at you,literally anything used to alloy with copper.

[hallow bolt]

Iron scale + Gambe covers up to Nightmare

Even with the nerfs

[tawdry condor]

you're not as slow in scale

[hallow bolt]

Scale is better for general use

[tawdry condor]

yup

[prisma basin]

Oh. So you're a little faster.
In an environment where a Clockmaker in full plate can still run down a fleeing Shiver.

[hallow bolt]

Funnily enough scale has less penalties than leather

[thin wing]

scale is my everyday-wear

the penalties of full plate are livable but quite annoying if you're just bumbling around not fighting anything other than surface enemies

scale is more than enough for wolves and surface drifters

[hallow bolt]

Its also easier to craft

As you don't need a helvehammer to not consider the rope

[tawdry condor]

caving+gambe = scale
temporal storm = plate+chain+gambe
archives = forlorn+chain+gambe

[prisma basin]

I actually have a list of material costs for making mail and plate...

[tawdry condor]

at least I did that

was fun

it was pre nerf tho

might not work as good now

[prisma basin]

#1260976245374582886 message
'Ere it is.

[hallow bolt]

You can configure the armor protections easily enough

[tawdry condor]

cba

[hallow bolt]

Its mostly the smithing process itself

[tawdry condor]

it was a bit too strong tbh

[hallow bolt]

Fuck bears

[prisma basin]

Alternatively,you can just meet the mod on its terms,and accept that,pre-nerf,rucking around with just plates for armour rendering you borderline invincible was a bug,not a feature.

[tawdry condor]

the boss wasn't damaging me at all and was more of an annoyance really

[hallow bolt]

I reverted them back because grizzlies are a bitch in my base

[tawdry condor]

the only thing that pisses me off is knockback

[hallow bolt]

Boo hoo

[tawdry condor]

and Maltiez can't\won

't change it

fighting multiple bowtorns is not fun

[hallow bolt]

Rams have funny levels of knockback

[tawdry condor]

I'm also still salty that community voted for cheesemaking over better combat

[prisma basin]

I still don't comprehend this.
Bowtorns are total chumps.

[hallow bolt]

I like cheese :c

[prisma basin]

Come within ten blocks,and they will run away. Aborting any firing process to do so.

[hallow bolt]

They're just annoying to hunt down imo

[tawdry condor]

yup

[prisma basin]

Pursue. Tap it twice to five times (With a bronze weapon,depending on enemy tier) to kill it,swap to the next one.

Even in full plate,you're running it down in a blink.

[hallow bolt]

Hand waving away the problem doesn't remove its existence

[prisma basin]

The problem doesn't exist.

[tawdry condor]

Imma curse you with a bowtorn heavy TS

have fun pursuing 20 fucking bowtorns lmao

[uneven trench]

just install Zippy's Bashful Bowtorns

they'll run away more often now

[hallow bolt]

Sure keep telling yourself that

[prisma basin]

It's not a handwave. Bowtorn flee. Bowtorn can't lead a moving target. Shields exist.

[tawdry condor]

you know what also exists? Lanterns or 2 handed weapons

[prisma basin]

The context of their existence in the game makes them total non-threats with their own behaviour,and the existence of specific tools.

[hallow bolt]

"I don't have problems so clearly the problem doesn't exist"

[prisma basin]

For lanterns,the X and Q keys exist. For two handed weapons,heavy armour exists.

[hallow bolt]

Lol

[prisma basin]

As well as,you know,a zig-zagging approach. Since they can't lead a moving target.

[hallow bolt]

Stone wall I see

At least you're consistent

[tawdry condor]

had this shit happen a couple of times

[uneven trench]

the only thing stopping me from going full rambo Jack Sparrow style is lack of tin bronze and also flax deficit

[tawdry condor]

tanked my frames and knockback was so bad they threw me to the roof of our house lmao

it's like 3 blocks high

[hallow bolt]

Yeah we tried to go hard on flux on our first year and got 1500+ fibers

Still wasn't enough lol

[buoyant onyx]

god wtf
i tried out all the different crosshairs and i was shown why my aim was so shit 😭
the bullet trajectory sways OFF of the iron sights at higher aimsway so it isnt even lined up ive just been gambling in my scalemail this whole time

[fallow surge]

What is your monitor resolution and FOV?

[buoyant onyx]

FOV is 95, 1920x1080
I just let the gun sit there with full plate armor on for the most sway (so i could tell if I was or wasnt schizo a lot easier), and eventually the crosshair would just be riding around in a big ring about that far away

[prisma basin]

And are you using Immersive First Person mode?
CO don't like Immersive First Person mode.

[buoyant onyx]

gods of course not

i already found that out the hard way long before even touching a pistol

I think I'll just see abt the host dropping the aiming difficulty so that aimsway doesnt happen because I do NOT want to be gambling away linen and lead just to miss the deep shiver 4 times while its chewing my leg off

(clockmaster for that sweet speed and locust taming)

[hallow bolt]

I haven't had too many hitbox issues

Strange it occurs at such short ranges

[fallow surge]

Does it happen only with firearms or other weapons too?

Firearms ironsides and actual moving crosshar indeed do not align, but it can be adjusted, may be someone wants to help with adjusting it?

Set aiming type to Fixed to see crosshair and adjust these two numbers to adjust how firearms ironsides follows it

Try reproduce it in creative with dummy and probably a wall behind it

[upper ermine]

I read that the reason why my first ||eidolon|| run with my friend was miserable (it took AGES) despite us both having strep quarterstaffs was because CO made it so you need to hit the eye specifically. Is that true and if so are there any similar changes I should be on the lookout for? He refuses to go down there again,

[hallow bolt]

He's armored to hell and back but you can make spears to jab his eye

CO recently rebalanced things but Eidolon's damage isn't listed

I imagine its still 8-12 blunt damage but idk the tier

Spamming overhead attacks should hit the eye

[prisma basin]

Whatever tier the Eidolon's damage is,it's T9 or lower. Two handed weapon parries lock him out entirely.

[fallow surge]

The one of attacks that is patched by CO has tier 5 and 16 damage

[prisma basin]

The clap?

So a shield parry locks him out.

[thin wing]

my first eidolon fight was a disaster with CO but it was entirely my fault because I thought I was safe going into the fight with basically 0 blunt protection lol

i thought having iron scale would be enough only to get Bouldered

alas, boulder to the face does not deal slash damage

also it took me like 5 deaths to realize i was supposed to jump when it did the slam so even when i was avoiding the boulders i kept dying to fall damage

[prisma basin]

Elden Ring and Sekiro basically trained me for VS with CO.

It's really weird.

[hallow bolt]

4 sturdy backpacks = 32 stacks of poultices

[prisma basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sekiro-parry-get-parried-clang-clang-deflect-gif-15299406514620790298

[inland merlin]

Is there an explanation of the armor system anywhere? Do armor values in a location stack or how does that work

[heady dirge]

There is a spreadsheet document in the combat overhaul mod page, the tabs are at the bottom of the google sheet and you can view the different values there. However I believe they got changed recently so they won't be exactly the same.

[heady dirge]

As for the armor values they will be represented by protection tier for Blunt, Piercing, and slashing damage and by adding the different layers (I.E. Gambeson, Chainmail, and Plate) these values stack for greater protection.

[inland merlin]

Thank you, but what do those tiers mean? Is it like vanilla where if the attack tier is over the defense tier you take substantially more damage but beating the attack by several defense tiers doesn't do anything itself?

[heady dirge]

Correct, this is still the case.

If you have an attack tier above the enemy you do full damage.

[inland merlin]

So the other defense stats (flat/percentage damage reduction) are hidden but still exist?

[heady dirge]

If it's lower the damage you do is reduced by a percentage based on protection stat.

I'm not entirely sure, I'm still learning as well. I mostly pay attention to the tier of the enemy and the protection levels of blunt, pierce, and slashing.

[prisma basin]

They stack addatively per body region.

[heady dirge]

Thank you.

[wispy pumice]

Err, holy hell. Can somebody please test attacking with a (flint is what i had) spear when the character menu is open? because it just killed my fps from 60 to 3

[hollow tulip]

is it just me or do people get floating weapons

[prisma basin]

...Xskills just duped my steel helm,with the Duplicator skill.
The Hell am I gonna do with a second helm!?

[hollow tulip]

give it to someone else @prisma basin

[prisma basin]

Singleplayer.

Sorta wish you'd just prop the flat against your shoulder if you're not at ready.

Like,how you'd carry it while marching,you know?

[lofty pasture]

Cant you break the helm with a chisel?

[prisma basin]

It didn't say it could be smelted down,so I presumed not.

[thin wing]

you rebound the C menu to R?

[prisma basin]

Weird thing to do,unless you're not on the QWERTY layout.

[thin wing]

you can carry it on your shoulder if you put something in your offhand

[final garden]

That explanation of the mod's damage calculations explained so much. I should definitely start using greatswords instead of carrying both a spear and a club

[prisma basin]

Armour does its job.

Do not skimp on it.

As noted in my posts immediately following the one you replied to,the "penalties" are either meaningless or easily mitigated to the point of practical irrelevance.

If you're making plate,then make mail. They're designed to go together.
And make gambeson as a default. You literally can't go wrong with it.

Blunt damage claps Rust monsters.
Piercing damage claps mundane animals.
Cutting damage excels nowhere,but isn't stonewalled,either.

[final garden]

Are there any good guidelines for trying to balance new weapons in CO? I made my own mod and wanted to make heavier, harder hitting attacks that are slower, but I also don't want to make something OP, but in singleplayer testing, the weapon, which is basically a straight upgrade of the greatsword, still feels a little underpowered (and too fast since I haven't figured out how to slow down weapons yet)

[prisma basin]

A falx should always be one damage tier above any weapon made of the same material.

It sacrifices parries for being your most reliable source of damage.

Long weapons with sweeps excel at dealing with crowds in the Mordhau/Chivalry way: Start your sweep,then rotate your view.

Anything the weapon touches,gets hit.

As for raw damage numbers... I haven't seen any of those in the Handbook. I think CO obfuscates them.

[final garden]

Hm. Definitely overpowered as it is now, then (unsurprisingly), since it has falx damage tier and can parry (a feature I've neglected because I couldn't seem to get it to work very well)

[prisma basin]

Parrying is highly timing reliant.

If you've ever played Sekiro,then treat it like deflection in that.

Thankfully,enemies have very readable animations,so parrying's pretty easy.

[final garden]

Huh, I'll have to give it another shot

[eager shard]

visor helmets when

[fallow surge]

When you make two models with visor open and closed for each metal

[eager shard]

well I mainly mean just a reskinned blackguard helmet

i think it would be cool to make a brand new one out of iron and steel

[final latch]

Hm how do i fix the issue that you can't hit with the swords/pickaxes anymore, i actually just restarted the game

[fallow surge]

How has it happened, have you reinstalled/updated the mod before this bug?

[final latch]

I did not, now i did update it and still does not work. Where do i clear the cache?

[fallow surge]

Send client-main and server-main logs

Dont clear cahce just now

This bug needs to be pinned down and fixed

[final latch]

25.3.2025 14:30:32 [Error] [combatoverhaul] Exception: Assembly with same name is already loaded
   at System.Runtime.Loader.AssemblyLoadContext.<LoadFromPath>g____PInvoke|5_0(IntPtr ptrNativeAssemblyBinder, UInt16* ilPath, UInt16* niPath, ObjectHandleOnStack retAssembly)
   at System.Runtime.Loader.AssemblyLoadContext.LoadFromAssemblyPath(String assemblyPath)
   at System.Reflection.Assembly.LoadFrom(String assemblyFile)
   at System.Linq.Enumerable.SelectListIterator`2.MoveNext()
   at System.Linq.Enumerable.WhereEnumerableIterator`1.ToList()
   at Vintagestory.Common.ModContainer.LoadAssembly(ModCompilationContext compilationContext, ModAssemblyLoader loader) in VintagestoryLib\Common\API\ModContainer.cs:line 481```

but i have it only once in my installation

[fallow surge]

Send logs

[fallow surge]

Ok, try deleting cache

It is in the same folder where mods folder is

[final latch]

Ty, rebooting now

Clearing Cache works fine, ty

[fallow surge]

Asked Tyron about this cache nonsense...

[fallow surge]

Has the bug happened before you updated the mod? Was it the same error, or you haven't looked into logs before updating?

[final latch]

I haven't looked into the logs before updating sorry :/

but yeah error appeared before updating, i restart the game because my RAM Load got high

[fallow surge]

ok

[hollow tulip]

@fallow surgehey why did shield get their 20% passive block removed tbh

[fallow surge]

In CO they never had passive block

[hollow tulip]

i see...well i just heard people saying shields are useless or buggy cuz of that

idk

[fallow surge]

ppl are wrong

[hallow bolt]

The worst parts about shields is making their loop thing :c

[fallow surge]

If I remember correctly armory shields do not require this loop part

[hallow bolt]

Thank you for that 🙏

Its just the vanilla ones iirc

Shields perform as well as you'd expect imo

Though it seems they have different speed modifiers so I need to fiddle with that

They're cheap and you can just throw down lanterns/torches so its not that cumbersome in practice

Though I'm using Sturdy Leather backpacks so I can easily justify the inventory space

Oh yeah a tip if you're trying shields

The Copper one seems to have a chance/window to perfect block things

Gearfoot shiver hit me and I wasn't immediately at the respawn screen

[fallow surge]

There are heavy shields without perfect block, and light shields with it

[hallow bolt]

Ah I see

Explains why the copper shield felt weirdly inconsistent lol

I'll need to work on that blocking then

Been exploring Better Ruins stuff so I've had plenty of areas to test (oops all gearfoots)

Is there a file or doc that covers shield stats?

I didn't see page in the CO doc and Armory didn't have one

[fallow surge]

Nope

[hallow bolt]

Wait I just found one in Firearms

0.3 sec perfect block window on copper assuming its accurate

Copper -> steel for light shields 😔

[fallow surge]

Nope:

There is no uptodate docs on shields

[hallow bolt]

Ah rip

Well I suppose BetterRuins LOVES locusts so I guess I can test with them

[fallow surge]

You can test in creative world

[hallow bolt]

Ah true

Lol idk why that wasn't my first thought

One day I'll learn how to parry/block bears

I swear they're the only thing I can't deal with in CO

[final latch]

The issue i have with blocking / parring is that the servers mostly run so hard delayed, its not even CO's fault its just the game/server is delayed

[fallow surge]

Yeah, blocking/parring has to be server side (unlike hitting stuff), so there is no way around it

[prime turtle]

Hello y have Combat Overhaul bug

Its Gamboised leg armor

[fallow surge]

This is strange, is it reproducable? If you take it out and back again does the bug persists?

[prime turtle]

So I put the equipment in a different order and it was ok

[fallow surge]

What order reproduces the bug?

[prime turtle]

Meteor from top to bottom then linen from top to bottom, this happened to me once, I guess it's very minor

[fallow surge]

So you cant reproduce?

[prime turtle]

It didn't happen this time.

Yet I used to take off and put back on my equipment very often

Anyway, thank you very much for your mods, they are great, huge work.

[fallow surge]

@silent grove hi, I shouldn't have pinged you in your discord server, but it should be ok here.
Loved your recent Vintage Story playthrough.
I'm the author of Combat Overhaul, you used this mod in this playthrough... Did you like it? Did it perform good in multiplayer server conditions? If you have any feedback you might want to share it will be very much appreciated.

[silent grove]

Hey friend! Mod was great. Really brought up the experience along with its companion mods. If ya want more feedback than that DMs are probably better for it!

[hallow bolt]

Oh wow shields are really good vs the gearfoot and stilt shivers

A shame I can't attach a light to it :p

(Fuck the University this place is hell)

[fallow surge]

There is a mod to fix that: https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/5230

[hallow bolt]

Oh wow lol I'll take a look at it

Tried to be greedy while looting a building and 2 gearfoot + stilt enemies attack at the same time :c

"Oh just a surface shiver" -moments before taking 16 damage

[final garden]

This actually begs a question I've been wondering. Is it possible to animate clothing? I.E. A helmet with a visor that can go up or down depending on animation state

[hallow bolt]

With the mod you recommended me, my combat strat is just this

Except with like 2 pistols

(Once I make them)

[fallow surge]

I can do it, by I want the models first, so it will be easier for me to debug this stuff. So if someone makes models, I will probably start working on it

[final garden]

I'm also just genuinely curious about animating equipment, since I wanted to do so with my own mod stuff.

[fallow surge]

It will require writing some code, I will probably just avoid complicated animation and make switching between two models of helmets

[final garden]

That makes sense, yeah. I'm not familiar enough with animations Vintage Story's modeler, otherwise I'd see what the current hiccups are for using animations on the equipment themself. That said, it might be fun to make some helmets and their visor on/off variants. Do you have any sort of major limitations or requirements for those assets? I'd obviously be using the CO helmets and core game's blackguard visor helmet as inspiration/base in order to keep the style as consistent as I could

[fallow surge]

Models should be based on historical helmets, they should be stylistically consistent with vanilla, each metal should have different models

They should look nice

[final garden]

That makes sense. From what I noticed in-game, bronze stuff seems to be based on (Spartan[?], Corinthian[?]) armour, so I imagine most gear should remain within their respective historical eras (Bronze, Iron, Steel, etc). For example, would a Murmillo helmet be a reasonable fit for one of the bronze visored helmets (I couldn't seem to find much mention of visors so early in armour designs)

[fallow surge]

Use only military helmets, not gladiator's, also you can choose stuff from later periods for earlier materials, just make it consistentish

[final garden]

Ah, alright! Thanks. Will do what I can, but likely wont have time to work on it other than weekends

[uneven trench]

I wonder if it's possible to make an addon where you can use goat's leg or windlass on stirrup crossbows

at least faster reload time

[final latch]

Maltiez do you know if the Mining Speed skill from XSkills work on your pickaxes? I don't feel a difference

[uneven trench]

found this video, I wonder if Maltiez got inspired by it https://youtu.be/2IdfmaC_t-Q

btw guys do windlass and goat's foot help with the damage increase or just reload?

[fallow surge]

Windlass and goatsfoot makes reload longer

[uneven trench]

longer for more damage?

[fallow surge]

Please, just go into creative world and read crossbows descriptions

[uneven trench]

my plan is a 1.125x reload speed with the appropriate belts

[hollow tulip]

@fallow surgewill passive shield block come back at least 10% or 20% vanilla?

[thin wing]

the windlass or goat's foot realistically isn't a way to make crossbows reload faster, it's a way to let someone reload a much heavier crossbow at all

It's the same concept as downgearing a windmill but on a different scale

The fastest way to reload a normal crossbow is to just pull the string back with your hand. You just can't do that on anything but the weakest crossbows unless you're the hulk.

There are ways to mechanically assist with speed instead but then you just end up at the latch crossbow or repeating crossbow.

Using a goat's foot on a stirrup crossbow is more strength than you need and more fiddly and slower than just using the stirrup

also this is all moot because each crossbow is an entirely different crossbows

You can't interchange reloading styles anyway

There's a specific windlass crossbow that can only reload with the windlass, and the windlass is only used for that specific crossbow.

[hallow bolt]

On top of that, they do like 20 and 38 damage. I doubt they need a fire rate increase imo

Same with Clockmaker

Proficiencies should be fine imo, they're impactful but not domineering enough to force you to use them

[fallow surge]

nope

[hollow tulip]

S A D

[hallow bolt]

Can't dual-wield shields in combat why live 😔

[wispy pumice]

You mean I can't be THE WALL?

[hollow tulip]

also with combat overhaul but you can hit enemies thrue closed doors....hope it gets tweaked

[hallow bolt]

They shouldn't keep poking through heads through my doors. Smh peeking at me while I'm smithing how lewd 😔

[hollow tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/ne-veryu-udivleniye-jivotnoe-nyet-gif-5647017

lewd u say?

[umbral lynx]

@fallow surge
sorry for the ping
but i wanted to know if you would add some "stone age" weapons (and maybe a metal age varient for some of them)
here is a list of the weapons :D

the macuahuitl, normaly it only uses ubscidian but i think a flint version would not be a problem. maybe also the spear-like version of the weapon, the tepoztopili.

there is also a weapon that can be both stone and metal, the atlatl (spear thrower), it could be a more fragile version of the javelin, that can only be used with a spear thrower in the off hand, and cannot be used to fight in melee (its basically a glorified long arrow at this point)

if you could add those it would be super cool :D

ping me if you have a response even if its a no :)

[fallow surge]

I dont see a gameplay niche for these weapons, may be someone else will add them as an addon, you can try it yourself

[fallow surge]

Btw, does anyone have any feedback on long axes?

[next nimbus]

@fallow surge Hey dude, were you looking for weapon models?

[fallow surge]

Nope, weapon models is the easiest part of weapon mods and I prefer to model them myself

[next nimbus]

I feel ya on that. Were you looking for armor models then?

Or any. I thought I read somewhere you were, but might just be strokin out.

[fallow surge]

May be

[fallow surge]

You can read this #1260976245374582886 message conversation

[verbal junco]

I found it hard to land hits relibibaly, espically if the target was moving at or away from me.

I was also a bit annoying to use the left the right swing as I had make sure to get the cursor down and to the side, otherwise I might accidently do an overhead.

[fallow surge]

Also I need analog of leather jerkin set made from hides

[next nimbus]

If you do, hit me up. I haven't messed with modding vintage story, but I'm pretty okay with blender.

[fallow surge]

Overhead was the most unreliable?

[umbral lynx]

ok
i guess i see for the atlatl (at first it was created to hunt large animals)

but can i insist for the macuahuitl ? its a very important historical weapon, that could be a good alternative to the stone mace for a early-game high damage weapon, plus it look cool

im a little bit biased of course cuz i love the aztecs and their weapons soooo.

my last message sorry if im being (heavy ? idk how its said in english)

bye

[fallow surge]

Cause I'm considering removing directional attack and leaving 3 overhead attacks combo...

[verbal junco]

The overhead attack was fine, just that it was easy to accidently do the overhead when I meant to do the side to side swing. Like overall it was just a bit harder hit things.

[umbral lynx]

for the long axe ?

its my fav weapon currently but yea its kinda hard sometimes to hit on the sides it goes up beside that i like it

[verbal junco]

Right, I actually brought an iron one into my archives run as my primary and oh boy was that a bad move! None of its swings could hit the ediolon eye.

I'm not sure how I'd like it if it only had overhead attacks... the sweeps are kind of nice and without them it has now real way to hit multiple targets.

[hollow tulip]

hey a weird bug my friend has on my server but he was using the 2H longsword and he coudnt hit anything with it...but a knife he made did deal damage...i gaved him another sword but nothing seemed to work same with relogging @fallow surge

[fallow surge]

Send client logs from his side after reproducing the bug

[verbal junco]

I could see that working if the swings came down at angle. Like 45 degrees of off vertical.

[fallow surge]

Try it out please

[verbal junco]

I'll try it out once I get off work!

[fallow surge]

dont worry then, I will probably release it before

[woven harness]

question about the crossbow sway is there a way to decrease it in the setting and does xskills conflict with combat overhaul? beacuse the repaeating crossbow sway is so much

[hollow tulip]

hes on my server can i maybe get them from him?

like on host havoc

[fallow surge]

No idea, you probably need to just ask him send them

[hollow tulip]

activity...hmmm

[hollow tulip]

aprently the mod worked now he just relogged again...

[fallow surge]

any recent mods version updates?

[hollow tulip]

im just using the lastest version

[fallow surge]

I mean if he automatically updated mod and then haven't restarted the game, it might break for some vanilla reason

[uneven trench]

I like the directional attack

maybe you could turn a hotkey to permanently make a directional attack into the main animation attack

or increase the needed movement to set the weapon direction

[fallow surge]

In case of long-axe I didnt like side to side animations, also there are swords with direction, so it is better to have long-axe be without them

[uneven trench]

fair

[final latch]

I did not craft them yet, since they have less damage and you can't wear a shield with them

Its not like a bording axe

[fallow surge]

Less damage than what?

[final latch]

a long sword and i think even less than the short sword

[fallow surge]

Long axes has 2h standard damage, i.e. maximum damage for material tier

[final latch]

I'll check again, since i wanted to use axes for RP but .. i thought it lacked damage versus the long sword

[fallow surge]

long sword has less damage

[final latch]

I'll check later again, i would have loved to use a axe instead of a sword, but i did not make one because of the damage

weird

[verbal junco]

I did get to try the new axe attack pattern and I quite like it, feels a lot better. though when it comes to balance I'm not sure why anyone would choose it over the great sword.

The damage between them is the same but the great sword has more reach and can parry and is better at hitting multiple targets. The long axe is cheeper to make but thats about it.

[shell plume]

is this a problem with the mod or with the server im on?

[wispy pumice]

Hey, you might want to install Combat Overhaul.

Armory is an addon and not a standalone

[shell plume]

they were both installed but youre right, i dont see the base one any more

i guess that makes the answer to my question "server issue, specifically some idiot removed combat overhaul"

[hallow bolt]

all this bullshit and my shield never broke UwU

[upper ermine]

Which?

[fallow surge]

Oh, it seems code I wrote a while ago for armor stand actually works, and all this time it was turned off cause I tested it in a wrong way

[fallow surge]

Can some one give 3 distinct looking sabres or even curved swords in general?

[wispy pumice]

Check that you don't have 2 versions enabled, clear the cache.

[ocean siren]

wait i will check cache

[wispy pumice]

Like names? if just the names are enough then how about a Khopesh?

[fallow surge]

Like sources, images, names

[fallow surge]

maybe

[ocean siren]

error has gone after clear the cache

[fallow surge]

Has error occured after you installed new version of the mod?

[ocean siren]

yep

i love this patch

[fallow surge]

what version you had before?

[ocean siren]

version 0.2.6

[wispy pumice]

A scimitar, a suppose a katana is curved too.
Time for weaboo?

[fallow surge]

Ok, better to stick to the sabres and find 3 that will look as different as possible

[fallow surge]

Yeah it is reproducable... Why vanilla cant just work...

[hollow tulip]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/combatoverhaulreanimated would you ever include this?

but ig you do your own animations

or rather have this be seperate mod

[uneven trench]

does this include third person anims i wonder

[hollow tulip]

ye

they do change the arm animations in 3rd

so everyone sees it

[hollow tulip]

oh well at least the two work together

[uneven trench]

it gets better footwork for the IFP guys

that... was the issue, yes?

[fallow surge]

IFP guys? IFP not supported like at all

[uneven trench]

aw

[hallow bolt]

The wearable lights mod

[verbal junco]

I particularly like the m1913 Saber used in ww1 for a late example.

[hallow bolt]

So my off-hand isn't always locked to a lantern

[hollow pasture]

@fallow surge Is there any way you could add something that would change an item's armor values when another slot is filled?

[upper ermine]

Why not a mining helmet

[fallow surge]

I would prefer not doing it

Why do you ask?

[hollow pasture]

For example, I make and texture maille voiders that combine with gambeson arms or something (covering both maille and gambeson slots) that only gives gambeson protection when you don't have plate armor on, but when you equip plate armor it suddenly becomes as effective as normal maille but with less penalties

[fallow surge]

Nah, it is overcomplicated

[hollow pasture]

Understood. I've got a lot of stuff in mind for a mod I want to make as a supplementary of this one now that I have more free time. Mainly focused on realism in armor components

Unfortunately I've just got a lot of ideas and no experience though, so it'll be awhile before I have anything tangible

[delicate ocean]

For Copper/Bronze there would be the khopesh, Iron a Tachi/Katana/Dao or a Falchion, perhaps a Shamshir, and Steel a Cavalry Sabre or Messer

It's hard to think of a niche for them, but variety is nice.

[fallow surge]

I made 3 sabre models. Sabre will have -1 damage tier, and +1 (or may be +2) damage

more effective against weaker enemies

[delicate ocean]

As for most different 3, I would definitely say the Khopesh, one of the east-asian single edged blades, and an European late medieval/early modern sabre.

[fallow surge]

The 3 model, first iteration or prototypes

[delicate ocean]

Very nice!

[fallow surge]

They are kinda simillar, but ok for now

[willow jolt]

what does this imply?

for sp world

[final latch]

This is Maltiez biggest Enemy

[lofty pasture]

a yuntoudao would go CRAZY. I lose those things

[hallow bolt]

UWOH

finally some decent armor UwU

[vagrant grove]

having weird issues with combat overhaul/armory armory has missing icons ect kinda breaking knapping and class bonus's and animations dont seem to be working with combat overhaul. these two worked flawlessly when we first booted a server up 2 days ago but the next day not so much.

[vagrant grove]

its the same as others I just resolved my own issue I had the bullseye mod and that and they conflicted

[umbral chasm]

mod name?

also oh hey you're here too

[hallow bolt]

Combat Overhaul + Armory + Exoskeletons (all are required

[umbral chasm]

thanks

[hallow bolt]

yippie :D

[umbral chasm]

:D

[hallow bolt]

np, keep in mind BetterRuins helps because exoskeletons needs a lot of Jonas parts and Cupronickel

it also helps justify making Exoskeletons

because "oops all locusts" is a common sight in BetterRuins

[umbral chasm]

don't only saw blade actually drop parts (also fuck saw blades, you "can" skyrim shuffle them to death but you make 2 mistakes you die instantly)

[hallow bolt]

Sawblades, all Doubleheaded Drifters (temporal storms only in vanilla), all gearfoots and stilt shivers (60+ hp, 20+ damage, and tier 4 attacks which is steel)

we farmed the Jonas parts from killing gearfoots, stilt, and deepstilt shivers at the Mantle

Combat Overhaul makes it a lot easier because a Shield + a bunch of guns can easily kill them

expensive yes but they are guaranteed to drop a temporal gear + 5-8 rusty gears with a 40% chance for a jonas part

[umbral chasm]

those are the new story locations right

[hallow bolt]

na literally just mine to the bottom of the map

the deeper you are, the more dangerous enemies spawn

the lowest levels can spawn those Gearfoots and stuff

[umbral chasm]

wonder if our foot-stab kill bunker design still works

[hallow bolt]

I don't recommend it unless you got iron or steel

and at least steel weapons

[umbral chasm]

literally immune to drifterse if constructed properly

[hallow bolt]

if you use guns (firearms mod), should be fine

[hallow bolt]

if you don't get domed by a bowtorn, should be fine

CO makes the gearfoot Bowtorn do 14 damage instead of 24 thank god

[umbral chasm]

unless they can hit the bottom half of their feet should be fine

[hallow bolt]

they can but legs have a 50% damage taken modifier

should be fine

if you're curious about making an exoskeleton, you can also make them out of iron and meteor iron

we did steel because we are NOT re-grinding the Jonas parts lol

[lethal meadow]

Why is longaxe head six voxels short of an ingot, imma cry

[fallow surge]

Now it isnt

[upper ermine]

How is the plug bayonet anyway? Actually why is there a second recipe for the bayonne and why does the second one take gold bits but not nuggets?

[keen veldt]

It adds a gold line

For the drip.

[tiny merlin]

this probably goes beyond CO but it's just something that I was just thinking of.
what if weapons had faint trails or semi-transparent after-images to show each weapon's range, with light/dark sections to show the damage types of the weapon. lighter portions of the trails dealing one of the weapon's damage type (Halberd thrust: piercing damage) while darker being the secondary damage type (Halberd sweep: slashing)

that way you aren't having to guess what attack is what damage type

this probably would work better as an add-on for CO.

[uneven trench]

so I was checking creative mode and noticed all firearms-related clay molds don't appear when searched

i have to go to Firearms' own creative tab for it

[hollow pasture]

Would probably be best as a debug option

[hollow pasture]

The plug bayonet is meant to balance the musket so it's not a "can do everything" weapon, even though the only cost for making it that way is a hammer on hand. You get a proper socket bayonet recipe in the first major story location I think, unless Maltiez moved it to a later one because the first is balanced around bronze armor

[fallow surge]

Plug bayonet was removed in 1.20 if I remember correctly

[fading narwhal]

so uh how to scope in the jezail?

[hallow bolt]

Jezail isn't fully implemented to my knowledge

Its never been in the patchnotes

[fading narwhal]

ah alright, didn't know that, thanks!

[hallow bolt]

There's a video Maltiez posted some time this month showing off the jezail if you want a teaser

#1260976245374582886 message

[hollow pasture]

Ahhh, that makes sense. Nevermind me then @upper ermine

[fallow surge]

Ctrl + RMB

to switch to scope

[ocean siren]

WOW that scope looks fucking cool

when it come

[fallow surge]

Not sure if it come though...

[final garden]

Pfft. Right when I made my first longaxe head. Hah, awesome

[safe thistle]

hi, i've been trying to block using the shield, but it should be that using right-click wouldnt interact with objects, yet hovering over chests or doors end up spamming them. is this a bug? using 1.20.4 game version btw

and using 0.1.29 for combat overhaul

[hollow tulip]

hey will the weapons being able to hit stuff thrue closed doors ever be fixed?

[fallow surge]

Fix it yourself and make pr

[timid heron]

When did copper spears started requiring a shaft made of OAK?? These are entry level spears and by the time you get the metal required to cut down oak trees, you'd be better off doing actual bronze or higher spears already

[hollow tulip]

I wish

[upper ermine]

Wait how do I repair gambeson armor?

[uneven trench]

flax iirc

[upper ermine]

Yeah but... just flax fibers? hmm

[timid heron]

Usually just look up gambeson on the Help menu, then it should show two recipes, the one in which you craft it and another one on how to repair the broken armor in question

[upper ermine]

Wait so if our server updates what happens to my plugged musket? What’s new aside from jezzaold?

[arctic pewter]

I know CO doesn't support first person mode, but it is possible to fly in this mode, including passing through blocks.
Is it possible to disable this for the entire server?

[steel spear]

Does anyone else notice some memory leak issues with this mod?

We're playing on a pretty modded server but everything we've tested shows that CO is just spamming calculations of values for armor/weapons and it seems to be causing issues.

Not really looking for troubleshooting, just seeing if anyone else has had this issue.

this is an example

[upper ermine]

How?

[bright ether]

Been enjoying using javelins from Combat Overhaul Armory, but I was just wondering if there is a way to make the javelins to go straight into the javelin quiver instead of my backpacks when I pick them up

[arctic pewter]

Sorry, I explained it wrong.

I know that the CO mod is not compatible with the immersive first-person mode. However, it is still possible to use both together, but with several bugs — one of them makes the camera fly and pass through blocks.

My question is: is there any way to prevent players from activating this immersive first-person mode?

[upper ermine]

I think I'm getting old or something. I feel like I need a ping for melee combat the way there is one for ranged combat when you hit. The red crosshair isn't visceral enough for me somehow.

What's the intended use for the pike, and any thoughts on halberds vs pikes or spears for a hunter?

[gentle crescent]

Hi there, I have been having an issue where the attack speed of the arming swords are too fast for the animations to keep up with causing it to be slightly over-powered for early iron age gameplay. Is there a way to modify the attack speed of individual weapons in the config?

[brave canyon]

Wait, isn't there a melee ping kinda sound?

Or- Well, the impact grunts of the enemies being hit

You might be able to manually edit those sounds to be louder or more distinct if you wanted

[hollow pasture]

It's honestly really interesting to see that because most of the actual calculation part is still pretty similar to the base game, but with added damage types and rolls to hit different areas

Not entirely happy with this quite yet, but even just getting a visorless bascinet is beneficial for my goal

I'm not sure if there would be any possible way to animate this, or switch the visor on and off with a button press, but I could just make it so you toss it in the crafting table to get the visor up and down

I'll see about adding a visual overlay for it similar to KCD too

[inner thistle]

what is this screenshot from?

[final latch]

Looks like ChatGPT

[brave canyon]

That was my suspicion as well.

I kinda highly doubt whatever it says is of much uh, accuracy.

[final latch]

Problem is that ChatGPT has no background information on this and yeah on first sight this might be much but in a real case scenario i often have 20000ms behaviors and there CO is a light weight

[brave canyon]

Yeaaaah...

Is there a way with Visual Studio to actually measure the runtime of everything? Or something built-in to the game?

[steel spear]

I mean, the question was if anyone has experienced anything with CO causing an accelerated memory leak.

[livid cradle]

Aside from noticing that ChatGPT is simply presenting the logs/data given.. Has anyone experienced CO causing memory leaks? Having an issue on my own with a good amount of mods and logs are pointing to the same thing as his Jaderade's were. Trying to narrow down the list and figure it out also.

[tawdry condor]

we're having something similar on our server, it constantly gives warnings about too many ticks, though, it doesn't really affect performance

but if you lose hp it starts rubber banding you back every few seconds

we couldn't figure out what causes this tho

[steel spear]

I get the very minor rubber banding as well

[tawdry condor]

funny enough we've been playing with CO for about 4 months now and the issue wasn't there for the first 2 months

at least we don't remember that being the case

we thought that the problem was with XSkills and the skill that increases your hp (cuz the game doesn't really like when you modify values of hp\hunger) but respeccing didn't fix it

[livid cradle]

Seems to be a progressive memory leak. Starts out fine without issues, then proceeds to get worse over time. When a storm comes and starts it immediately becomes a must to restart or you have to sit in base with major hitches the whole time until it's over. Even after that restart the problem starts right away with minor hitching.

[brave canyon]

I've never seen any memory leak like that from CO at all. Storms are never a problem in singleplayer or locally hosting my own server.

That's why I kinda doubt the accuracy of ChatGPT claiming it's CO's fault, I really doubt that it can get the full picture - and what logs did you even feed it? That's kinda a lot more useful then a screenshot of ChatGPT.

[fallow surge]

Fixed in latest version

[fallow surge]

Great, CO haters are still not happy. Who would'v thought

[tawdry condor]

let their cries fuel you

[hollow tulip]

lel

[brave canyon]

Yeah, fuck 'em. You can't and shouldn't even try to please them all.

It was already really incredibly nice of you to keep Bullseye updated alone, and even that was kowtowing to them.

[uneven trench]

someone really don't like prerequisites lol

[upper ermine]

Incidentally in a practical sense should a hunter ever move on from the recurve or windlass and halberd once they’re in the steel age?

[thin wing]

I preferred the longbow personally

[hallow bolt]

Not really

Though the halberd can be replaced with a spear + quarterstaff if you don't want to accidentally butcher your friends

[hollow tulip]

Well most people wanted vanilla bow aiming but with firearms

but eh

[novel warren]

Those people can have that, in older versions of the mod and vintage story lol.

[fallow surge]

Mm, we are not ppl, just "kinda ppl".

[fiery rune]

Purely in theory, for such statements here, shouldn't there be a slap on the wrist?

[fallow surge]

Most probably should

[fiery rune]

In general, I am surprised that in such a small community by the standards of other games with modding support there are those who are “haters of dependencies”, I'm used to see this in FO or TES, where at least the choice is there

[tawdry condor]

I wonder where reports go to
to the mods of the server or straight to discord

anyway reported his ass

[final latch]

I would also consider this as spam tbf

[lofty pasture]

I dont get why people are so hostile over mods and their authors sometimes. Like, you can literally not download it

[gilded falcon]

Quick question.
Is it normal, that the steel pike has only -0.6 HP damage?
That feels a bit low for a rather high end material.

[fallow surge]

Why do you think it has 0.6 damage?

[gilded falcon]

Because it says so in the description of the item.

Or could that be an unintended change due to the mod Rarity?

[fallow surge]

make a screenshot

[gilded falcon]

That's what i see.

[fallow surge]

Probably rarity messes it up

Or this mod that adds sockets

But it wont affect its actual damage

[gilded falcon]

Okay, then i have to bug that mod creator.^^
Btw, would it be possible to regain the ability to open door while holding a spear/pike etc?

[fallow surge]

Hold alt

[gilded falcon]

Okay. Can i reassign that key?

[fallow surge]

Nope

[gilded falcon]

Ah, okay. Shame. Hard to coordinate with my keybind setup. Well, guess i have to switch slots like before. 😦

[lofty pasture]

wait, the gem mod works with CO??

[gilded falcon]

Yes, it does.

[lofty pasture]

Sick, I wanted to mess around with it but wasnt too sure if it worked with armory

[gilded falcon]

At least from what i've tried so far, it does work.

[hallow bolt]

I noticed that enemy invincibility periods seem to block the blunderbuss's damage

latest Firearms + CO

is there a mod/setting to change this?

[hollow pasture]

Leather Backpack changes texture when equipping a crossbow quiver

Also there appears to be a mismatch in the representation on the paperdoll and your actual character

[wispy pumice]

By paper doll I assume you mean that, and yeah that's a base game thing and it annoys me. like why it is flipped?

[hollow tulip]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/bola

need

[upper ermine]

Is it worth it for a hunter to use firearms? At this point I can use whatever I choose. I’m also wondering if dual pistols are reloadable without fumbling with my slots

[hollow tulip]

ig so

[upper ermine]

i guess so?

[hallow bolt]

it is

rust enemies have no blunt resist

[uneven trench]

I think personally three pistols are better than two

especially during active battle

you try to reload one while two are exhausted and needing reload lol

[lofty pasture]

Thnak you Maltiez for allowing to replicate the Saltzpyre Experience

[uneven trench]

the what?

[brave canyon]

Haha. Saltzpyre from Vermintide. He has just a coat full of flintlock pistols that he pulls out one, fires, tosses it for another.

[uneven trench]

oh lol

Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean also does a bit of dual pistols

btw, there's a conflict with this mod and Salty's Firestarters mod

especially when you have a crude bow and a firestarter

"offhand must be empty" overrides any messages that mod should've had

also, please don't fix being able to reload stirrup crossbows while moving on an elk :)

[green shadow]

how can i remove accuracy penalty from a tailor?

i installed a bunch of cool tailoring mods and most recipes need clothier trait

its will be awhile until i find Tailoring skill book

if ever

[rugged sparrow]

What is the intended way to place down spears using this mod?

CTRL + SHIFT + M2 doesn't work for me, just goes into throwing animation

I can sort of trick it by scrolling through my hotbar really faster and holding down CTRL + SHIFT + M2
And sometimes it places down

btw, love the quarterstaffs

If anyone knows a way to force overhead swings every time, let me know
Sometimes the angles can be finnicky and I'll end up swinging from the right 😛

[lofty pasture]

alt

same with crossbows/guns, Hold alt so you can interact with others things, like door and etc

[rugged sparrow]

I forgot to mention that doesn't work for me either, sorry

[lofty pasture]

holding alt doesnt work??

Hmmmmm

[rugged sparrow]

Just unlocks the cursor for me

[lofty pasture]

yeah, once you unlock the cursor, you do the ctrl shift m2

you should be able to place the down. Check just to be sure if the spear youre trying to put down needs 3 blocks worth of wall instead of 2

[rugged sparrow]

Ah, I see

It's a bit of a lot of keys to hold down, but that worked

ALT + CTRL + SHIFT + M2 🤣

[lofty pasture]

yeah, i dont think theres a work around that unfortunately

[rugged sparrow]

No worries, thank you

Sometimes I like the look of leaning them on walls instead of on tool racks

[fallow surge]

Hm, they returned the invulnnurability time... Ok, I'll return the patch that turned it off

[fallow surge]

Vanilla bug

[tawdry condor]

been having a bit too many of those lately

[hallow bolt]

Just installed it now c: Thanks for the quick fix

[upper ermine]

Do you have to fumble with inventory slots?

Can I not make wheel locks unless I am a clockmaker? There’s no schematics?

[fallow surge]

Buy wheellocks from trader

[lofty pasture]

Iirc you can also drop them from jonas parts drops

I think the blueprint was added to that list

[final garden]

@fallow surge Sorry to bug you again, but for making the visored helmets, would you prefer I take the helmets that already have visors and make open versions, or make entirely new helmets?

[fallow surge]

entirely new

[jagged topaz]

@fallow surge would full body animations be possible in future? Like in vanilla 3rd person axe chopping you can see twisting of torso for momentum

[fallow surge]

tp animations are not the focus of the mod, so they are not in priority

[jagged topaz]

i see, still great work as always 👍🏻

[dapper moss]

You can still light the fires, but there won't be an animation

[hollow tulip]

wonder wat 0.30 will have

[hushed scarab]

It will include the a10 thunderbolt 2

[crystal basalt]

I'm having a issue with the mod being the cuase of a perpetual mod needs downloaded bug

And its the only one that's the issue

Essentially it will download when entering the server then request again but instead of saying "You need to download 1 mod" it says "You need to download 0 mods" and its always the case

No matter the zip file reinstall, diffrent versions, server restart or save deletion

[wintry cradle]

hey first off holy shit @zenith mesa is here, hows it goin man, thanks for the Stalker mod again.

Second, i ctrl+f'd and googled and havent found anything. This mod is meant to add the armor layering with the separate armor window so i can do stuff like wear the mail sleeves or pauldrons alongside the breastplates, yea? Well, CO + Armory.

I dont see the new armor menu at all, so i can only equip 3 armor pieces still. Is this any kind of known bug, or is my mod corrupted, or am i just stupid and missing a button i need to press? All armor pieces trying to be used are from the armory addon.

If this hasnt been seen before im happy to do my own troubleshooting but if anyone has the answer already itd be neat.

[wispy pumice]

Seems like it's not installed, it disables the default armour slots they should be a red color

[wintry cradle]

very odd because im seeing other features

ill reinstall it again but i did that once already

[wispy pumice]

what features?

[wintry cradle]

damagetype changes, the 'bullseye aiming system'

Though come to think of it im not noticing any kind of animation for parrying

oh i have the spear changes though, gotta hold alt to lean it on a wall

says mod was updated 16 hours ago so maybe the newest release broke it?

nah still the old menu

[uneven trench]

odd

[wintry cradle]

only mods of note that might affect anything remotely adjacent would be Primitive Survival and Spear Expansion?

[wispy pumice]

hmmm, maybe the 1.20.7 update broke the player patch?

Maybe the armour system was removed? (Doubt it)

[wintry cradle]

ive tried 0.2.9 and 0.2.7 of the mod now

if you have the mod installed currently could you try sending the file you have?

so i know if its the mod or me

[wispy pumice]

I'm using the 1.20.4 version

[wintry cradle]

hmm

[wispy pumice]

what game version are you on?

[wintry cradle]

1.20.7

[wispy pumice]

makes sense.

maybe? but I think that'd be an obvious bug that wouldn't go unnoticed for the next 2 updates.

I guess check your server-main and client-main logs

[wintry cradle]

im seeing an exception being thrown when the thing launches about a line already existing

maybe there is a mod conflict somehow

is there a list of known conflicts somewhere?

[wispy pumice]

can you upload the log? just dragging it into discord will work

[wispy pumice]

Warm armour might be causeing some problems with the patching

[wintry cradle]

i didnt even think of that but it does effect armor i guess

[wispy pumice]

Another thing to try, clear your cache

[wintry cradle]

no dice

wheres vintage story store its cache? im semi-newish

nvm

big folder says cache

[wispy pumice]

you can uninstall maltiezbows

[wintry cradle]

yea thats the funny thing is i dont have it checked

so im wondering if disabled mods arent actually disabled