Tabletop Games

[bitter kayak]

It's meant to be formal

But in what context

[worthy sparrow]

lol

[bitter kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WgI3Xrgdl14
Make this as a way to add depth

[worthy sparrow]

what

how

[bitter kayak]

Watch in slow motion

[worthy sparrow]

I don't model them

It is all done by code

[bitter kayak]

But what he did was he replicated a bunch of cards on Y and them seperated them by individual cards and finally randomised transform on Z but can add X

[bitter kayak]

It's not to model but to randomise the position of cards on X and Z angles for a organic way to play the cards

[manic topaz]

I think the suggestion was just to add a bit of random rotation so the stack isn't so perfect looking.

[worthy sparrow]

Like that?cs float rotation = slotId % 2 == 0 ? 0.1f : -0.1f; containedMesh = containedMesh.Translate(-0.5f, -0.5f, -0.5f); containedMesh = containedMesh.Rotate(Vec3f.Half, 0, rotation, 0); containedMesh = containedMesh.Translate(0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f);

[manic topaz]

I have no idea.

[worthy sparrow]

lol

[bitter kayak]

It doesn't have a random rotation

It's telling that each one has to move to only two positions

[worthy sparrow]

How to get consistent list of random numbers from specific seed?

[manic topaz]

Why do you want it to always be specific?

And, uhh... I believe you can do that in a few specific ways.

[worthy sparrow]

To avoid ugly random rotations when stacking cards

[manic topaz]

You could possibly set the specific seed, that might work.

You could pregenerate all the numbers you need and just put the list in the code.

[worthy sparrow]

Also sandwiches when stacked are rotating like they have seizures

[worthy sparrow]

Damn I don't know how to do that

    private float[] predefinedRotations = new float[64] {
    -0.0167f, -0.0980f,  0.0650f, -0.0403f, -0.0263f, -0.0613f,  0.0132f, -0.0677f,
    -0.0751f, -0.0134f,  0.0124f, -0.0651f,  0.0106f, -0.0290f,  0.0916f, -0.0817f,
     0.0957f, -0.0176f,  0.0008f, -0.0704f,  0.0438f, -0.0620f, -0.0317f, -0.0953f,
    -0.0321f,  0.0935f,  0.0958f,  0.0489f, -0.0993f,  0.0880f,  0.0742f,  0.0542f,
    -0.0642f, -0.0801f, -0.0171f,  0.0771f,  0.0156f,  0.0473f, -0.0535f,  0.0047f,
     0.0419f,  0.0650f,  0.0614f, -0.0535f,  0.0746f, -0.0567f,  0.0604f,  0.0110f,
    -0.0628f,  0.0177f,  0.0036f,  0.0917f, -0.0917f, -0.0672f,  0.0967f,  0.0664f,
    -0.0699f, -0.0542f,  0.0078f, -0.0686f, -0.0352f, -0.0901f,  0.0423f, -0.0843f
    };```

[worthy sparrow]

Like that?

[manic topaz]

You need 52 numbers, so you just have a random generator give you 52 rotation offsets and then add them all to an array in your code.

Or however many.

Then you just have it check the rotation for the array given the number it is in the stack.

Completely consistent rotations for every stack.

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

[manic topaz]

Not bad!

[worthy sparrow]

This is how I "draw" textures

[manic topaz]

Okay.

[bitter kayak]

Now you have to make it move randomly slightly to immitate people who play cards without making them flat

[worthy sparrow]

no

[bitter kayak]

The rotation can be more exagerated to make it more believable with multple players

[bitter kayak]

It's just to add immersion

On uno people don't care to position their cards corrects as well with any card game

[worthy sparrow]

Too much work

[bitter kayak]

It's just to adjust the parameters as it should since that cards look almost the same to me in location

[worthy sparrow]

Still too much work

It isn't worth the hassle

[bitter kayak]

Well it's more of a wasted feature

[manic topaz]

I think there comes a point where you're adding too much code for too little reward.

And it sounds like for Dana this is that point.

[bitter kayak]

Little details matter if you want to impress players

I don't care the difficulty as long as it's rewarding

[manic topaz]

I don't disagree.

I'm just saying.

There's a balance to everything.

Believe me, I know about little details. I added such a thing to how the fruitpress works, haha.

[bitter kayak]

The thing I hate about gaming is that a lot of gamers don't care about small details

[manic topaz]

When I was messing with the fruitpress one thing that I did was make it so that you could release the screw at any point, but in order to maintain that same "screw it all the way down to juice it" functionality I made it so that it will only squeeze out as much juice as you have screwed it down. So, say, 50% screwed down gives only 50% juice.

But I went a couple steps farther, and made it so that when you unscrew it will stop squeezing, but for a second or two a bit of extra juice will keep dripping out.

And I made it so that the rate at which juice flows out of the mash is dependent on how much juice can flow out of the mash.

Think of how wringing out a rag gets a lot at first but a little after a moment.

So effectively it rushes out quickly but slowly the amount lowers until it's only dripping out near the end.

[worthy sparrow]

I'm even using the same colors as actual pigments from the game

[manic topaz]

All this to say, I get that little details can be important.

And I think Dana does as well, honestly.

[worthy sparrow]

Red is cinnabar and black is carbon black (coke, charcoal)

[manic topaz]

But I can imagine various code and design reasons why the random rotation might be a bad idea and only the one reason why it's good.

[worthy sparrow]

I'm yet to add different shapes for held cards

[worthy sparrow]

https://github.com/Craluminum-Mods/TabletopGames/tree/main/resources/assets/tabletopgames/shapes/item/playingcards

I will probably do that through code somehow

[bitter kayak]

It could be a bit more chaotics like this

[bitter kayak]

It's quite straight up and slighty that doesn't compesate the messiness the players play

[worthy sparrow]

It is too much work

[bitter kayak]

Maybe I could do test about tweaking the values for you want to avoid it

[worthy sparrow]

Here is the most cursed thing that I could add too

Playing card interactions are implemented through ground storage

Any card game is played inside ground storage, no exceptions

The only problem is I have no idea how to rotate first placed card

[bitter kayak]

You don't

[worthy sparrow]

why

[bitter kayak]

It's unnecessary

[worthy sparrow]

I mean rotate it facing to player

[bitter kayak]

Nvm

[worthy sparrow]

I forgot to write that I fixed this issue

[manic topaz]

lol

Fair.

[worthy sparrow]

Now I need to implement logic for placing cards upside-down

[worthy sparrow]

lol

[worthy sparrow]

Minimalistic description

[manic topaz]

Nice

[worthy sparrow]

The first card has too much cards

I probably better remove both symbols

I think for a lot of cards i could also remove rank and suit and show only pack instead

"tabletopgames:itemdesc-playingcard-symbol-rank-{rank}-{color}",
"\t",
"tabletopgames:itemdesc-playingcard-symbol-suit-{suit}-{color}",
"<br>",

Card symbols (for discord search)

[worthy sparrow]

perfect

For crafting recipe I would need to add a pack of cards

It would disappear and give deck of cards on right-click like scrap weapon kit

Also shuffler

So three new items, playing cards are one of them (because it is technically a single item)

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak The main problem with random rotation is possible cheating like this

I have yet to figure out how to make your own cards render as blank cards for other players

Because third person view exists

[worthy sparrow]

@manic topaz Do you know where I can find inventory server events?

[manic topaz]

No, sorry.

[bitter kayak]

Yes but you could a function n where the player can adjust the alignment on the cards but why the worry
Is there a game that benefits this type of cheating

[worthy sparrow]

alignment what

[bitter kayak]

Explain the process of cheating with the image

[worthy sparrow]

no idea

[bitter kayak]

You should have any idea about the concerns and concepts when it comes to debugging (hopefully)

[worthy sparrow]

I can't find a way to place flipped card

I can do that when you stack cards on each other though

[bitter kayak]

Can you reuse the model of the stack of cards you made in 180º of Y

[worthy sparrow]

I already did

[bitter kayak]

Why it didn't work

[worthy sparrow]

Flipped card will have no front textures

[worthy sparrow]

What is more intuitive for tool modes?

1. Left / right mouse click for adding card before or after another card (52 cards = 52 slots)
2. Empty slot between every card (52 cards = 104 + 2 slots)

X is card
O is "empty" tool mode

1. XXXXXXXXXXXX
2. XOXOXOXOXOXOX

[worthy sparrow]

.

[bitter kayak]

Less slots

[worthy sparrow]

ok

[manic topaz]

I have no idea.

[old crown]

I think traditional card art is fine. As far as cheating, have you considered a “hand” item? A special group of cards a player holds could hide the cards. Then you don’t need to add any more logic to the cards themselves to make them hidden. (I don’t know how viable this is.) SS13 does a similar thing with card “hands” to obfuscate contents and make drawing/playing cards less cumbersome.

Also how do you switch cards to all of the suits/values? I feel like using tool modes as chess pieces do will let players cheat by changing their own cards.

Also would it be possible to eschew a shuffler item and just allow players to shuffle decks with ctrl(or shift)+mb2?

[worthy sparrow]

Cards are created in a barrel from blank cards

[worthy sparrow]

It is on todo list already

[old crown]

Ah, cool, okay.

[worthy sparrow]

Why would I add separate item?

Cards are just one item

[old crown]

well, depending on the game you're playing, you could have a hand bigger than the size of the quickbar

however I understand it might not even be necessary

my thought was that the cards could be obfuscated in the hand and the player holding it could right-click to see the cards

or something

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I apologize if the idea isn't helpful

[worthy sparrow]

You can combine cards

[old crown]

ah ok

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

[bitter kayak]

👍
Have you tried to test it with a friend to sit on 90º to test the placement of the cards when the player is on vertical or diagonal

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean by vertical and diagonal?

[bitter kayak]

It's more if the cards you play no matter the direction it will always play be faced on you

[worthy sparrow]

No idea what that means

Insane hack to make flipping of cards work ```cs
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(BlockEntityGroundStorage), nameof(BlockEntityGroundStorage.putOrGetItemSingle))]
public static class putOrGetItemSinglePatch
{
[HarmonyPrefix]
public static void Prefix(BlockEntityGroundStorage __instance, ItemSlot ourSlot, IPlayer player, BlockSelection bs)
{
if (!player.Entity.World.Side.IsServer())
{
return;
}

    bool flipCard = player.Entity.Controls.CtrlKey;
    ItemSlot hotbarSlot = player.InventoryManager.ActiveHotbarSlot;

    if (flipCard && hotbarSlot?.Itemstack?.Collectible is ItemPlayingCard card)
    {
        PlayingCardInventory cardInventory = card.GetInventory(hotbarSlot.Itemstack);
        if (cardInventory.Empty)
        {
            hotbarSlot.Itemstack.Attributes.SetBool("flipped", true);
        }
    }
}

}```

[worthy sparrow]

When you take flipped cards from table, cards become un-flipped

If card has other cards on top of it, you get them the same way as if they were placed on table

[bitter kayak]

It's not facing to you

[worthy sparrow]

Why not

[bitter kayak]

Just another small detail

[worthy sparrow]

Too much work

[old crown]

Could you make the cards sit straight if you put them in the center spot of the ground item? It seems fine as it is, I'm just wondering.

[worthy sparrow]

No idea how to do it

[old crown]

understandable

[dense elk]

this looks great holy crap! I can't wait for our first server poker night

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak ```cs
public MeshData GenContentMeshForHand(ItemStack itemstack, ITextureAtlasAPI targetAtlas)
{
MeshData contentMesh = null;

    PlayingCardInventory inventory = GetInventory(itemstack);

    if (inventory.Empty)
    {
        return contentMesh;
    }

    float translationX = 0;
    float translationY = 0;
    float translationZ = 0;
    float rotation = 0;

    foreach (ItemSlot slot in inventory)
    {
        if (slot.Empty) continue;

        if (slot.Itemstack.Collectible is not ItemPlayingCard otherCard)
        {
            continue;
        }

        if (otherCard.GetOrCreateMesh(slot.Itemstack, targetAtlas, EnumCardPlacement.Hand) is not MeshData containedMesh)
        {
            continue;
        }

        int slotId = inventory.GetSlotId(slot);

        rotation -= 0.1f;

        Vec3f rotationOrigin = new Vec3f(0.2f, 0, 1.2f);
        containedMesh = containedMesh.Translate(-0.5f, -0.5f, -0.5f);
        containedMesh = containedMesh.Rotate(rotationOrigin, 0, rotation, 0);
        containedMesh = containedMesh.Translate(0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f);

        translationX += (slotId / 1000) + 0.01f;
        translationY += GetStackingTranslation(slot.Itemstack);
        translationZ += (slotId / 1000) + 0.01f;
        containedMesh = containedMesh.Translate(translationX, translationY, translationZ);

        if (contentMesh != null)
        {
            contentMesh.AddMeshData(containedMesh);
        }
        else
        {
            contentMesh = containedMesh;
        }
    }

    return contentMesh;
}```

[bitter kayak]

Is there a cap to holding cards

[worthy sparrow]

No

5 cards

4

Anything lower is meh (3, 2)

wtf (5 and 6)

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak look at this mess

[bitter kayak]

Have you tried to make a experience of you holding cards

And convert it into a function

[worthy sparrow]

what

[worthy sparrow]

This is not how it works

[bitter kayak]

The holding cards should narrow the visibility of the symbols when you have many cards.

[worthy sparrow]

what

[bitter kayak]

Look at the meme on the top the way it holds hards

[worthy sparrow]

lolcs float GetRotationStepForHand(int total) { switch (total) { case 1: return 0; case 2: return (float)total / 7f; case 3: return (float)total / 11f; case 4: return (float)total / 15f; case 5: return (float)total / 20f; case 6: return (float)total / 26f; case 7: return (float)total / 30f; default: return (float)total / 25f; } }

[worthy sparrow]

Damn

[worthy sparrow]

Can't convert into function

Card code is way too complex

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

[bitter kayak]

FPS

[worthy sparrow]

Nah

[bitter kayak]

You must worry about FPS issues

It's when you open creative inventory

[worthy sparrow]

It is caused by debugging

[worthy sparrow]

16 cards

[worthy sparrow]

look

[bitter kayak]

Better but I think you have to release another version if you give them the update to optimise the cards as they can be FPS hungry

[worthy sparrow]

No idea what do you mean

[bitter kayak]

Can you hold at least 500 cards without FPS issues

[worthy sparrow]

You can't hold 500 cards

Limit is 64

[bitter kayak]

There's 10 slots.
Try to hold them with each slot

[worthy sparrow]

what

[worthy sparrow]

They are cached

[worthy sparrow]

Mesh is constructed only one time

Once you have it in any slot or placed

It is very fast

[bitter kayak]

Good

Since meshes with lots of polygons can be quite demanding on performance

[worthy sparrow]

64 cards is just 64 cubes

Vanilla shingle pile has much more cubes

[worthy sparrow]

52 cards

[bitter kayak]

😆

How he can do that

[worthy sparrow]

look

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

[bitter kayak]

Will you just add the cards you have without the ability to make our own cards

[worthy sparrow]

What

[bitter kayak]

Chiseled cards

[worthy sparrow]

No

[bitter kayak]

No UNO?

[worthy sparrow]

Uno is copyrighted

[bitter kayak]

As well as your tabletop game you showed

[worthy sparrow]

No

[bitter kayak]

Are you sure?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[worthy sparrow]

What tabletop game

[bitter kayak]

Carcassonne

[worthy sparrow]

It is chiseled

[bitter kayak]

Also cards can be chiseled

[worthy sparrow]

no

[bitter kayak]

Reasons?

[worthy sparrow]

Too hard to implement

[bitter kayak]

You already implemented the chiseled boards with custom hitboxes

[bitter kayak]

Be specific with the implementations

[worthy sparrow]

I have no idea what that means

[bitter kayak]

Pin point the key ideas of what makes it hard

[worthy sparrow]

No idea

[bitter kayak]

I think there's more ways to use cards

[worthy sparrow]

No idea what do you mean by this

[bitter kayak]

The way the cards are positioned not in straight but in slightly vertical offset

[worthy sparrow]

I don't know how to do that

[bitter kayak]

Another tool mode...

It's kinda weird that it's development hell

[worthy sparrow]

What exactly

[bitter kayak]

The cards being complex since it needs many features to compesate the amount of way you can play with cards

[worthy sparrow]

Some things are not possible with VS engine

[bitter kayak]

Like stacking them like in mahjong?

[worthy sparrow]

mahjong is not possible with VS engine

I tried

Not technically possible

Domino too

[bitter kayak]

Scratch that

[worthy sparrow]

Why

[bitter kayak]

If you can't currently why bother having it in the roadmap

[worthy sparrow]

Because if VS roadmap can contain "in far future", then my roadmap can too

[bitter kayak]

Make it clear to the users

[bitter kayak]

Does it work when you don't take cards not in order

Like remove 40, 12, 34, 28

[worthy sparrow]

No, it crashes

@manic topaz

💀

[manic topaz]

Huh?

[manic topaz]

Neat!

[worthy sparrow]

A lot of people are going to see this cringe 💀

Card code is literally cringe

[bitter kayak]

:D

[worthy sparrow]

@hardy adder Could you help with brainstorming card code

[hardy adder]

What are you trying to do?

[worthy sparrow]

I need help with imlementing AddPrev and AddNext```cs

public enum EnumCardModeAction
{
None,
/// <summary>
/// Take card if mouse slot is empty
/// </summary>
Take,
/// <summary>
/// Replace card if mouse slot is not empty
/// </summary>
Replace,
/// <summary>
/// Add new card before current card if mouse is not empty and Ctrl key is pressed
/// </summary>
AddPrev,
/// <summary>
/// Add new card after current card if mouse is not empty and Shift key is pressed
/// </summary>
AddNext
}

private void ProcessToolMode(ItemSlot slot, IPlayer byPlayer, int modeIndex, ItemPlayingCard mainCard)
{
    //bool ctrlClick = byPlayer.Entity.Controls.CtrlKey && !byPlayer.Entity.Controls.ShiftKey;
    //bool shiftClick = byPlayer.Entity.Controls.ShiftKey && !byPlayer.Entity.Controls.CtrlKey;

    PlayingCardInventory cardInventory = mainCard.GetInventory(slot.Itemstack);
    if (cardInventory.Count + 1 <= modeIndex) return;
    if (cardInventory.NonEmptyCount == 0) return;

    ItemSlot mouseslot = byPlayer.InventoryManager.MouseItemSlot;

    // clone main stack because it is dangerous to manipulate with it
    // also kill inventory to avoid duping whole deck and possible stack overflow
    // main slot should ALWAYS be first slot
    ItemStack firstStack = slot.Itemstack.Clone();
    firstStack.Attributes.RemoveAttribute("slots");
    DummySlot firstSlot = new DummySlot(firstStack);
    ItemSlot[] slots = new ItemSlot[] { firstSlot }.Append(cardInventory.Slots).Select(x => new DummySlot(x?.Itemstack?.Clone())).ToArray();

    int prevIndex = modeIndex - 1;
    int nextIndex = modeIndex + 1;

    EnumCardModeAction action = EnumCardModeAction.None;

.....
}

.....
for (int slotIndex = 0; slotIndex < slots.Length; slotIndex++)
{
    bool isActualIndex = modeIndex == slotIndex;

    // Take action
    if (isActualIndex && !slots[slotIndex].Empty && mouseslot.Empty)
    {
        if (slots[slotIndex].TryPutInto(api.World, mouseslot) > 0)
        {
            action = EnumCardModeAction.Take;
        }
    }
    // Replace action - swap mouse with target slot
    else if (isActualIndex && !slots[slotIndex].Empty && !mouseslot.Empty)
    {
        ItemStack temp = slots[slotIndex].Itemstack.Clone();
        slots[slotIndex].Itemstack = null;
        slots[slotIndex].Itemstack = mouseslot.Itemstack.Clone();
        mouseslot.Itemstack = null;
        mouseslot.Itemstack = temp;
        action = EnumCardModeAction.Replace;
    }

    switch (action)
    {
        case EnumCardModeAction.Take:
            {
                if (slotIndex > 0 && !slots[slotIndex].Empty && slots[slotIndex - 1].Empty)
                {
                    slots[slotIndex - 1].Itemstack = slots[slotIndex].Itemstack.Clone();
                    slots[slotIndex].Itemstack = null;
                }
            }
            break;
    }
}
.....

.....
switch (action)
{
    case EnumCardModeAction.Take:
        {
            if (slots.Length > 0 && !slots[0].Empty)
            {
                ItemStack newFirstStack = slots[0].Itemstack.Clone();

                // Shift slots left
                for (int i = 0; i < slots.Length - 1; i++)
                {
                    slots[i] = slots[i + 1];
                }
                slots[slots.Length - 1].Itemstack = null;

                // Update inventory
                for (int i = 0; i < cardInventory.Count && i < slots.Length; i++)
                {
                    cardInventory[i] = slots[i];
                }

                slot.Itemstack = newFirstStack;
                cardInventory.ToTreeAttributes(slot.Itemstack.Attributes);
            }
            break;
        }
    case EnumCardModeAction.Replace:
        {
            if (slots.Length > 0 && !slots[0].Empty)
            {
                ItemStack newFirstStack = slots[0].Itemstack.Clone();
                ItemSlot[] newSlots = slots.Skip(1).ToArray();

                // Update inventory
                for (int i = 0; i < cardInventory.Count && i < slots.Length; i++)
                {
                    cardInventory[i] = newSlots[i];
                }
                    
                slot.Itemstack = newFirstStack;
                cardInventory.ToTreeAttributes(slot.Itemstack.Attributes);
            }
            break;
        }
    default:
        break;
}

slot.MarkDirty();
mouseslot.MarkDirty();
byPlayer.InventoryManager.BroadcastHotbarSlot();```

I have implemented only Take and Replace currently

[worthy sparrow]

How would you implement AddNext action here?

[hardy adder]

One sec

[worthy sparrow]

public enum EnumCardModeAction
{
    None,
    /// <summary>
    /// Take card if mouse slot is empty
    /// </summary>
    Take,
    /// <summary>
    /// Replace card if mouse slot is not empty
    /// </summary>
    Replace,
    /// <summary>
    /// Add new card before current card if mouse is not empty and Ctrl key is pressed
    /// </summary>
    AddPrev,
    /// <summary>
    /// Add new card after current card if mouse is not empty and Shift key is pressed
    /// </summary>
    AddNext
}```

[hardy adder]

So you want to add a card in the first empty slot?

[worthy sparrow]

No, I want to add it between two cards

In both AddPrev and AddNext

[hardy adder]

Oh

[worthy sparrow]

You can see comments mention Ctrl and Shift keys

[hardy adder]

So you have to get to the next slot, replace it and copy each other card to the next one over

Same for addprev but with the previous slot

Also checking for edge cases like being in the first or last slot

[worthy sparrow]

yeah

Maybe I should also check if last slot is empty

Because it would make no sense to move whole inventory if last slot is empty

[hardy adder]

Ah yeah you could move the slots starting from the last

[worthy sparrow]

stacks, not slots

idk actually

[hardy adder]

I thought you were manipulating an inventory, like moving the cards between different slots

[worthy sparrow]

I do

I just don't know how to do it better

@scenic hornet Do you know how to add item between slots?

[hardy adder]

Why not shift the position of the elements after it

[worthy sparrow]

how

[hardy adder]

Copy them and replace the next one

So start from the slot after the last full slot, bring in the item before

Stop at the insertion point and add the one you need to add

If last full slot is the last slot then do nothing

Then addprev and addnext need the same function really

One just adds before the other after

[worthy sparrow]

How to do that with arrays?

I probably should move all logic from first for to for in last switch statement

[hardy adder]

I meant you make a method that adds at a certain index, then addprev and addnext become addAt(prevIndex) and addAt(nextIndex)

[worthy sparrow]

right

[worthy sparrow]

Ok i made it work

[hardy adder]

Nice

[worthy sparrow]

Now it is mess```cs
for (int slotIndex = 0; slotIndex < slots.Length; slotIndex++)
{
bool isActualIndex = modeIndex == slotIndex;

// Take action
if (isActualIndex && !slots[slotIndex].Empty && mouseslot.Empty)
{
    if (slots[slotIndex].TryPutInto(api.World, mouseslot) > 0)
    {
        action = EnumCardModeAction.Take;
    }
}
else if (isActualIndex && !slots[slotIndex].Empty && !mouseslot.Empty)
{
    // Add prev action
    if (ctrlClick && slots.Last().Empty)
    {
        action = EnumCardModeAction.AddPrev;
        break;
    }
    // Add next action
    else if (shiftClick && slots.Last().Empty)
    {
        action = EnumCardModeAction.AddNext;
        break;
    }
    // Replace action - swap mouse with target slot
    else
    {
        ItemStack temp = slots[slotIndex].Itemstack.Clone();
        slots[slotIndex].Itemstack = null;
        slots[slotIndex].Itemstack = mouseslot.Itemstack.Clone();
        mouseslot.Itemstack = null;
        mouseslot.Itemstack = temp;
        action = EnumCardModeAction.Replace;
        break;
    }
}

switch (action)
{
    case EnumCardModeAction.Take:
        {
            if (slotIndex > 0 && !slots[slotIndex].Empty && slots[slotIndex - 1].Empty)
            {
                slots[slotIndex - 1].Itemstack = slots[slotIndex].Itemstack.Clone();
                slots[slotIndex].Itemstack = null;
            }
        }
        break;
}

}```

[scenic hornet]

Are we talking inserting into an array? There is no simple operation for that. If you use a List<ItemSlot> instead, you can use Insert(item, index)

[worthy sparrow]

I solved it already

[scenic hornet]

Just be aware that it is still an O(n) operation.

[worthy sparrow]

https://github.com/Craluminum-Mods/TabletopGames/blob/playing-cards-and-shuffler/TabletopGames/CollectibleBehavior/CollectibleBehaviorPlayingCardToolModes.cs

I'm laughing very loud from my own code comments sometimes

[scenic hornet]

That happens.

I have no idea how many times I have thought "who the hell wrote this shit?" only for git blame to point at myself. 😄

[worthy sparrow]

I have two 'for' in process method

[scenic hornet]

Oh, I meant that List.Insert in and of itself is O(n).

[dark iron]

This has playing cards right?

[worthy sparrow]

I'm still working on them, there are a lot of things I need to add

[worthy sparrow]

@dark iron

[dark iron]

Poker with the boys is gonna be so lit

Good shit my dude

[worthy sparrow]

40.000 downloads

[worthy sparrow]

I found perfect sound for unpacking box of playing cards

[real chasm]

Magnus the Red: "Stop. Flicking. Your. Caaaaaaaaaaaards."
Tzeentch: <Long,pregnant pause.> "Flick flick fli-"
Magnus the Red: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!"

[worthy sparrow]

what is this meme

[real chasm]

If the Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device. Kitten and Tzeentch Play a Children's Card Game.

[worthy sparrow]

I only need to add ItemShuffler next

[real chasm]

Noice.

Can't wait to throw down a Solitaire table.

[worthy sparrow]

No idea how to implement solitaire

[real chasm]

Unfortunate. I'll find other things to do with them,then.

[worthy sparrow]

I probably need to add molds for pouring metal pieces (omok, chess etc.)

[real chasm]

Game of Ur?

[worthy sparrow]

Chisel it

I implemented lower parts of chiseled pieces exactly for this (ok i did it for hounds and jackals)

[worthy sparrow]

You can chisel whole board and then place chiseled pieces on it

[worthy sparrow]

In the same way as I did here

Once I add shuffler, it will accept only chiseled pieces, chiseled boards and playing cards

[bitter kayak]

If you could make your own cards of monopoly

[worthy sparrow]

I can allow to import them

But it is incredibly hard to do

[bitter kayak]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/vsonlinepicturemod

[worthy sparrow]

too hard

[bitter kayak]

Also the cards are too big due of limitations

[worthy sparrow]

Why not

[worthy sparrow]

What limitations?

I can make them smaller, but I don't want to

[worthy sparrow]

An item pack with a lot of custom logic

[bitter kayak]

I wonder how it will be for custom cards

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

[bitter kayak]

The process to make our own cards

[worthy sparrow]

I don't know how to implement that

[hardy adder]

maybe store pixels as bytes in item stack attributes and have a custom renderer to render the image, then a ui to paint the card

I wanted to do something similar for a map item

[worthy sparrow]

No idea how to do renderer and ui for that

[hardy adder]

Me neither but I didn't know how to do a lot of things in my mods before I tried

Not saying you have to do it ofc, just that I think it's possible

vanilla work items have a more complicated renderer so maybe the renderer isn't that hard

While ui would be a very simplified version of the map ui, and you already made it so you can draw on a map

[worthy sparrow]

Can I use renderer inside MeshData?

[hardy adder]

idk I never played with meshes, only copy pasted code

I think work items and iron blooms are a good example of items with custom renderers, idk if there’s others

Iron blooms just use a flat image (weirdly enough, it’s not from the item model, anything with an iron bloom class willlook the same)

[worthy sparrow]

My cards are using meshes

i can't use renderer for that

[hardy adder]

Could be easier then idk

[worthy sparrow]

lol

[hardy adder]

Nice

Aren’t you already rendering textures on the cards then

With meshes

Maybe you can convert a set of pixels from whatever format you gather it into one

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[worthy sparrow]

I named it as "Set of playing cards" for now

idk

[worthy sparrow]

How to name a pack of cards?

It is a consumable

Contains a deck of 52x playing cards in Vintage Story style (no jokers)```

[hardy adder]

Are you asking what to name it?

[worthy sparrow]

This is description

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[hardy adder]

I think pack is fine

Since you get a deck out of it when you consume it right?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[hardy adder]

I think using pack and deck distinguishes between the two well enough

Maybe other users have better feedback idk

[worthy sparrow]

"item-pack-playingcards_vs": "A pack of playing cards (Vintage Story)",
"itemdesc-pack-playingcards_vs": "Unpack it with <hk>rightmouse</hk>!<br><br>Contains a deck of 52x playing cards in Vintage Story style (no jokers)",```

Here are lang keys

I will add two jokers then

[worthy sparrow]

@cosmic egret

[worthy sparrow]

Do jokers look okay?

[hardy adder]

It looks a bit goofy, maybe you can get a better angle? Perhaps a different wolf color variant would make the face easier to see idk

[bitter kayak]

Joker yes

[hardy adder]

Or do you have other mobs you can use for them

Could be something like this lol

[worthy sparrow]

Where to find this icon

I can't export it

[hardy adder]

I used inspector on browser

[worthy sparrow]

They are in normal deck now

52 cards + 4 jokers by default

[worthy sparrow]

💀

[old crown]

would it be worth releasing playing cards as a separate module? that's alot of file...

[worthy sparrow]

Nope

[worthy sparrow]

Mod is lightweight by itself

The most heavy part in the mod is models and textures

[old crown]

ah ok

[worthy sparrow]

Although models are super simple, they are not heavy

[cosmic egret]

❤️

I appreciate you remembering 😄

[worthy sparrow]

Updated mod logo

[hardy adder]

Make comparison with bricklayers lol

[worthy sparrow]

Bricklayers is 1 billion times heavier than my tabletop games

[worthy sparrow]

I could make fork of Brikclayers that would be very lightweight

@drowsy ether Do you want to disable piece rotations?

[worthy sparrow]

my todo list:

• Card rotations in ground storage and on normal boards (calculate from player yaw)
• Shuffler as an item container that can store one set of items (no duplicates)
• IShuffleContainable for custom shuffler logic (e.g. cards)
• mesh rendering: EnumCardRenderType.StackFlipped (attributes.GetString("forceRender") == "StackFlipped")
• mesh rendering: EnumCardRenderType.StackFlippedExceptFirst
• attributes.GetBool("forceFlipped") == true to always keep card deck flipped until one card is left
• Crafting in a barrel: 56 blank cards + 2L of green dye to make classic card deck
• Crafting in schematic tool modes: 64 blank cards per parchment

[worthy sparrow]

😈

[worthy sparrow]

How to name blank card item in the code?

i could name it as blankcard

loljson { "type": "item", "code": "blankcard", "attributes": { "types": { "material": "parchment" } } }

[worthy sparrow]

Here are dropped card from underneath btw

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak If you can draw better card textures, then fork it and create PR
https://github.com/Craluminum-Mods/TabletopGames/tree/playing-cards-and-shuffler/TabletopGames

[worthy sparrow]

😂
@bitter kayak

[
    {
        "code": "tabletopgames:playing-cards-vs-pack-from-green-dye",
        "sealHours": 24,
        "ingredients": [
            { "type": "item", "code": "game:dye-green", "litres": 1 },
            { "type": "item", "code": "tabletopgames:blankcard", "quantity": 56, "attributes": { "types": { "material": "parchment" } } }
        ],
        "output": { "type": "item", "code": "tabletopgames:pack", "attributes": { "types": { "type": "playingcards_vs" } } }
    }
]

[bitter kayak]

🤔

Why it's green?

[worthy sparrow]

Because why not

[worthy sparrow]

What do you suggest?

[bitter kayak]

Fake Money for Games

[worthy sparrow]

What

[bitter kayak]

It's for games like monopoly

[worthy sparrow]

but why

[bitter kayak]

Bcs of green dye and maybe a way to add how much it's worth

[bitter kayak]

Spades is the only thing I could help due of the overlap of the pixels

[worthy sparrow]

what overlap

I love all textures I make

[bitter kayak]

The pixels that are close to the bottom

[worthy sparrow]

I like it this way

[worthy sparrow]

@manic topaz Barrel doesn't support attributes, so sad

[worthy sparrow]

.

Literally nothing about barrel here

I mean it works but still

[hardy adder]

Shouldn’t the recipe require a more involved process than just dunking them in dye?

[worthy sparrow]

For example?

[hardy adder]

Just my opinion, but I would rather have a grid recipes with quill and some dyes. Of course, if there was in-world crafting that would be even better but I don’t have a good suggestion for that

[worthy sparrow]

Vanilla quill requires black dye

[worthy sparrow]

Dunking them in a dye looks like simple and working solution

@ionic rune What would you do

I don't want super complex playing card recipe

I want the recipe to be believable at least

And accessible

i can make in-world recipe, grid recipe, barrel recipe or tool mode recipe (in schematic)

[ionic rune]

Create an overly involved dyeing process to prepare the paper before you ever think about putting symbols on them. Then I'd create stamps that you use to put shapes and patterns on the cards.

Do you remember who you're asking? XD

[worthy sparrow]

I can invite you to github repo so you could help me code that

Because my mod already allows to do all of that

[ionic rune]

... LOL. Got my own projects under way, my dear woman.

[worthy sparrow]

Wait, why I did add pack of cards then

Maybe for traders

lol

I can make that pack be sold by traders

[worthy sparrow]

People would kill me for such recipe

I don't mind making complex recipes for everything in the mod

To implement what you suggested, I need to add support for liquid recipes inside in-world crafting recipes

[worthy sparrow]

To apply drifter image on a card, poke it with spear to collect blood, then pour it on a card from a bowl or what?

I could implement a deal with devil to get cards in the game

/// <summary>
/// A consumable item that summons devil when consumed.
/// </summary>
public class ItemDealWithDevil : Item
{
  onConsumed()
  {
    summonDevil();
  }
}

[worthy sparrow]

Paper is prepared already

So only stamps are left

I could choose stamp type through tool mode lol

[worthy sparrow]

epic

[cosmic egret]

So you already have bowls that hold multiple items yeah?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

Go bowls

They are canon

[cosmic egret]

And chisel able boards?

[worthy sparrow]

yes

[cosmic egret]

Is there a feasable way to combine those features, to allow players to make "bowls" on their game boards?

This would allow people to make games like Mancala without you needing to directly implement them

I don't know how you would go about detecting that within a chiseled block, maybe could do a material check and a tool where the player determines what material in a block counts as a "bowl"

However I don't know the extent that this is possible, I have no knowledge of the C# side of Vintage modding.

[worthy sparrow]

You can chisel Mancala already

[real chasm]

I can apparently chisel myself a Royal Game of Ur board,and pieces.
Now,if only I knew how to play.

[cosmic egret]

If you can read sandskrit there's some published tutorials from Irving Finkle.

[cosmic egret]

Ah I was unaware! I haven't had the chance to properly mess around with your mod yet sadly.

[worthy sparrow]

Playing cards are going to be the third most massive update after chiseled pieces and boards

[manic topaz]

It just doesn't properly understand how to display the recipe in the handbook or the barrel output?

[worthy sparrow]

Both

[worthy sparrow]

Look how popular old screenshots are

"Pre-historic screenshots"

[bitter kayak]

Why you did have domino?

[worthy sparrow]

Because why not

[bitter kayak]

Couldn't make it into the recent versions?

[worthy sparrow]

Too hard to implement

They were half-baked

They were never finished

[worthy sparrow]

look

[bitter kayak]

It's a custom card or just a preset?

[worthy sparrow]

Preset, but I won't add it to the mod

I'm making it for advertising the new update

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

[bitter kayak]

How players will do custom cards

[worthy sparrow]

No idea

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

[dark iron]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[worthy sparrow]

it is

[dark iron]

Cant wait to play poker with the boys during a blizzard

[cosmic egret]

I can't wait to steal all my friend's gears in poker.
Trick is to always carry a hangun for when they get rowdy and you need to give them a choice

[bitter kayak]

Does it have to be uploaded manually through the files?

[worthy sparrow]

Uno? Yes

[bitter kayak]

Documentation to upload your own cards?

[worthy sparrow]

Not yet

[worthy sparrow]

look at shuffling here

[bitter kayak]

👍

[worthy sparrow]

"ingameerror-shuffle-empty-slot": "You don't have the cards right now. Can't shuffle emptiness!",

[bitter kayak]

What's the keybind for it?

[worthy sparrow]

Ctrl + Shift + S

[bitter kayak]

Keybind to show cards

Also UNO Switch is now possible

[bitter kayak]

Can you add a tool mode for the cards to have alternative texture?

[worthy sparrow]

Why

[worthy sparrow]

Why

[bitter kayak]

It's bcs of the way you can switch to another side of the card also keybinds are needed for it

[worthy sparrow]

Not needed

[bitter kayak]

Maybe it's to being able to add more cards like UNO

But I don't know how it can be added

[worthy sparrow]

What shuffler should look like?

It can only shuffle chiseled things

not cards

Cards can be shuffled separately

[bitter kayak]

Could be a mechanical one?

[worthy sparrow]

Give examples

[worthy sparrow]

A bag is shuffler too

I could add bag as shuffler

literally sack

[bitter kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A7otbT1Xjc

[worthy sparrow]

I'm adding shuffler not for cards

[bitter kayak]

A bag can do the job

But it's mostly just using the bowl function and adding a rng system

[worthy sparrow]

Bowl is for completely different things

[worthy sparrow]

added everything except recipes and card rotations

[dark iron]

Guys will see this and think “hell yeah”

[worthy sparrow]

what

[dark iron]

(Badass playing cards)

[worthy sparrow]

Did you see joker card?

[dark iron]

Is that the bell?

[worthy sparrow]

@dark iron

[dark iron]

Lmao

Peak

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

VariantGroups would just kill your PC if I did that

But I use attributes, so it isn't a problem

[bitter kayak]

Yea

[worthy sparrow]

What to do if it is too big for a stamp

I think I have idea how to do that

I will rotate it

This is what it should look like

[bitter kayak]

Can't you use scale on code

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

[bitter kayak]

Using code to scale down visually?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[worthy sparrow]

But what clayform recipe to use for it?

[bitter kayak]

Like those clay molds

[worthy sparrow]

I can make recipe for all of clay stumps

Then unpack them

Like a bundle

Make them unpackable until they are baked

[worthy sparrow]

Damn, I better just add one clayform recipe

Then choose letters, numbers etc. in tool modes

It may be cool to have 1000+ stamps for every single letter, number and symbol, but it is nighmare to maintain

[worthy sparrow]

I decided to not add complex card crafting for now

it already took me insane amount of time and I didn't even write logic for it

Planning card crafting is extremely hard

I better spend time on something much more productive and interesting

[bitter kayak]

Can it include dye?

[worthy sparrow]

For example?

[bitter kayak]

Red, Black for the cards symbols and numbers

[worthy sparrow]

These colors are very expensive

[bitter kayak]

Any cheap alternatives?

[worthy sparrow]

Orange
yellow
pink
purple
green

Blue is 5nd most expensive

[worthy sparrow]

From most expensive to cheapest

1. Red
2. Black
3. Gray
4. White
5. Blue
6. Orange, yellow, pink, purple, green (cheapest)

[bitter kayak]

If you don't count lapiz lazuli as it's the most expensive dye

[worthy sparrow]

Woad flower gives blue dye

[bitter kayak]

Yes

There's mods that add more recipes to dyes

[worthy sparrow]

I can add red and black dyes specifically for playing cards

That way they would be used for cards only

[worthy sparrow]

Or is this one better?

[bitter kayak]

2

[worthy sparrow]

Okay

[bitter kayak]

What's the top texture of the card?

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

[bitter kayak]

The one that displays the logo instead of the one with the software

[bitter kayak]

This image placeholder

[worthy sparrow]

Hansa banner

[bitter kayak]

It can be a way to make new cards modular?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[real chasm]

I tap two islands and Counterspell your Worldfire...

[worthy sparrow]

what

[real chasm]

Magic the Gathering. Never heard of it?

[worthy sparrow]

I only heard the name, that's it

[real chasm]

Wow. That's a first for me.

Card game,basically. One I know would be impossible to emulate in a VS mod.

Still,I see cards,I think MtG.

[worthy sparrow]

Why impossible

[real chasm]

Because it's closer to RPG than something like poker or solitaire.

There are six "colours,"which are sorta analogous to suits. White,black,blue,green,red,and colourless. And,besides colourless,they can be mixed.

And then there's the literal thousands of unique cards.

The texture atlas and ground storage mechanics can't support a game.

[worthy sparrow]

What if I say that you could import cards later?

[worthy sparrow]

why

who said that I would use texture atlas

[real chasm]

RE: Thousands of unique cards. Beyond that,standard play imposes no numeric limits on what can be on the board at any given time,besides what's printed on the cards.

[worthy sparrow]

What board

[worthy sparrow]

Also, what do you mean by limits here?

[real chasm]

Aah,sorry. Generalized term. The game is played on a tabletop. Some people use play mats. As for limits,the game imposes no numeric limits beyond: No more than four copies of any specific card in a legal deck,besides cards known as Basic Lands (Plains,Swamps,Islands,Forests,and Mountains). Text printed on a card is treated as divine law and is explicitly allowed to override codified rules,permitting specific cards to tighten or loosen this limit,or impose limits on how many of what may be in play.

Also,a legal deck is no larger than sixty cards.

[worthy sparrow]

So what

[real chasm]

It used to be unlimited,until someone showed up to a tournament with a deck so enormous it needed two porters to carry,to say nothing of the shuffling time. After that,it became, "No larger than handheld." That proved too fluid,so the maximum size was further reduced.

[worthy sparrow]

Playing cards in the mod have no game logic at all

They only have stacking behavior and that's it

[real chasm]

Ten turns in,each player has,on average,ten basic lands and up to fourteen permanently in play cards.

There's no space on the table.

In VS,at least.

[worthy sparrow]

I can implement that space

[worthy sparrow]

Should I make cards rotate facing to player when placed on board etc.?

[bitter kayak]

😒

[worthy sparrow]

what

[real chasm]

MtG is a fun game.
I think it's out of scope of your mod.

[bitter kayak]

I already suggested that a while back but no

[worthy sparrow]

I can't add it anyway because of copyright

[worthy sparrow]

So what

[bitter kayak]

You changed ideas?

[worthy sparrow]

It was low priority

[bitter kayak]

oh

[bitter kayak]

You should have said it before

[worthy sparrow]

done

[bitter kayak]

Cool

But how about the old rendering of the cards where you have a pile of it

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

[bitter kayak]

This one

[bitter kayak]

What's the amount of rotation the cards can have when placed

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

[bitter kayak]

How much rotation it can be turned to rotate the placed card
15-15, 30-30

[worthy sparrow]

I don't understand

[bitter kayak]

First card is rotated at 0° degrees
What's the closest value for the Second card to rotate

[worthy sparrow]

First card is only rotated when it is not flipped

[bitter kayak]

What if I placed on another slot of the table but not sure the rotation of the card.

:p

[worthy sparrow]

It will work normally

[bitter kayak]

Can you show the code of the rotation when the first card is placed?

[worthy sparrow]

https://github.com/Craluminum-Mods/TabletopGames/blob/aa0d6a6dd8a2239405c5107c6f4948ae3e8ceced/TabletopGames/Utility/Meshes/PlayingCardMeshes.cs#L186-L192

[bitter kayak]

So it doesn't have a cap when it comes to individual rotations like.
I can place one card at 12° or 67°

[worthy sparrow]

Yeah

Only EnumCardRenderType.Stack doesn't rotate cards except first card

[bitter kayak]

1. Does no cap on rotation affect performance?
2. Can it also apply when you play your own cards faced against the player?

[worthy sparrow]

No effect on performance

[bitter kayak]

When I do a 360° does it reset to 0°?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes

[worthy sparrow]

Also

This is how much items the last update will add

[bitter kayak]

Is there a easier way to have controls less dependant on keybinds?

[worthy sparrow]

How

I wrote network code specifically for hotkeys

[bitter kayak]

Yes but it can also work but I'm figuring out to how make the controls more intuitive without adding keybinds

[bitter kayak]

I have a idea when you want to play the cards.
Making the cards interact with your mouse with just clicks

Probably not your thing

[worthy sparrow]

How

[worthy sparrow]

I don't even know how to do that

[bitter kayak]

Theory:
Make the cards have a invisible interactive UI where you can access a cards individually.

That's how card games are I think

[worthy sparrow]

I don't know how to do that

[bitter kayak]

Does VS UI support alpha value?

[worthy sparrow]

You can do anything with UI, but I have no idea

[bitter kayak]

Make each card have it's own UI hit detection, make it fully transparent

[worthy sparrow]

You say it as if it is super easy thing to do

[bitter kayak]

No

It's a rough idea

[bitter kayak]

It's not like that you have to do it but it can be a way to try decompose it of how it works

[worthy sparrow]

If someone makes PR with all the code for it, sure, but I won't do it myself

[bitter kayak]

For me it's not even worth to add

[worthy sparrow]

Yeah

[bitter kayak]

🤔 Can you switch the cards location while in your deck of cards?

[worthy sparrow]

What

[bitter kayak]

To organize numbers and Colors

[worthy sparrow]

Did you not see the videos?

[bitter kayak]

nvm

[worthy sparrow]

I recorded like 1000 videos with cards

[bitter kayak]

I forgot damn

[worthy sparrow]

I'm chiseling poker right now

and then monopoly

[worthy sparrow]

do i need to add poker tokens?

I can make them stackable like cards

[bitter kayak]

Add a stackable property to pieces

[worthy sparrow]

Why

[bitter kayak]

Tokens are a currency but they're pieces of the game

[worthy sparrow]

So

I can add them as separate item anyway

[bitter kayak]

Sure but on checkers when the piece reaches to the end they stack one piece on top of the one that achieved the end

[worthy sparrow]

Adding that for checkers would only clutter the code unnecessarily

[bitter kayak]

What's how you play checkers in real life

[worthy sparrow]

Why do you want to stack checkers

[worthy sparrow]

Did you ever play checkers in the mod?

[bitter kayak]

No just in real life

[worthy sparrow]

You can flip checkers in the mod

[bitter kayak]

Can't you add the flip mechanic to your mod and with chiseled pieces

[worthy sparrow]

What

No

No one would use it

[bitter kayak]

Why

[worthy sparrow]

Because you are the first one who suggested it

And you didn't even play the mod

[bitter kayak]

Do you even know someone who did

[worthy sparrow]

170 servers have the mod

[bitter kayak]

You mean the version that include it

I test the mod for bugs and exploits

Like with the bowl being able to have any item

[manic topaz]

“Did you play this specific game in the mod?”
“No not this one.”
“So you don’t play the mod.”

Wild convo tonight.

[worthy sparrow]

sometimes

[manic topaz]

lol

[worthy sparrow]

6500 lines of code

wtf

It was about 4600 very recently

[worthy sparrow]

This is so sad that I can't override maxStackSize in the item class

There is like literally nothing

So I tested every new item and I think it is ready for release

[manic topaz]

Isn’t it a field?

Just set the field value.

[worthy sparrow]

There is no access to itemstack

[manic topaz]

I see.

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak

Shiny gold ingots instead rusty gears because they look much cooler

[worthy sparrow]

@bitter kayak I just released new version, go test it

[bitter kayak]

Lunch

[bitter kayak]

The mod is compatible with more alloys :D

Uh...
-The keybinds repeat twices
-The second keybind overlays the hitbox of the text

Shuffling breaks the textures of the cards

Combining all the cards with the broken shuffled cards and the ones you removed it only affects one slots but not all slots

It would be cool to make bits of metal, crystals and meteoric iron being accessible with chiselling or even when making boards

[worthy sparrow]

Vanilla bug

[worthy sparrow]

what

[worthy sparrow]

what do you mean broken shuffled cards

[bitter kayak]

They don't display the texture of the card

[worthy sparrow]

They shouldn't

[worthy sparrow]

Flipped cards don't display textures to avoid cheating

[bitter kayak]

How to even fix this

Which is when you have a card exposed but your deck is a shuffled one
But you can only do this to one slot

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

Shuffle it again

[bitter kayak]

Ok

It worked but god you change stuff

Which I can't keep track of everything

[worthy sparrow]

What do you mean

[bitter kayak]

Despite of the stuff you add you make adjustments that can be hard to even tell if it's a issue

[worthy sparrow]

For example?

I wrote all changes in changelog

[bitter kayak]

I thought that when the cards faced the logo the other side would still be visible

Since there's some games that have that rule

[worthy sparrow]

I could add hotkey that adds "alwaysVisible" attribute to cards

[worthy sparrow]

@cosmic egret

[cosmic egret]

Yes?

😄

[worthy sparrow]

It does now

[worthy sparrow]

Did you try new update

[worthy sparrow]

what else

[cosmic egret]

I've not had the chance, I've been doing some IRL work in my workshop. I'll go load it up in SP and give it a try though 😄

[cosmic egret]

Small bug I've noticed, when placing down a joker

Actually it appears to be for all cards

Also I think something is double calling the shuffle card thing

Other than that I'm loving the cards 😄

[worthy sparrow]

Vanilla bug

[cosmic egret]

Ah all good

It was lovely though! Is there a way to roll multiple dice at once? Or should I place them down one at a time? For something like farkle

[worthy sparrow]

Place them down one at a time

I don't know how to make all of them roll all at once

[cosmic egret]

🤔

Would it be possible to make a dice cup or tower, where you load an inventory and then right click it, and it'll place all the dice down (rolled) on the grid like in the dice trays?

Just a thought, totally fine if it's not something worth perusing

and it's a minor detail. it's not like I can't play dice games hahah

[worthy sparrow]

Maybe

The problem in adding that is that you can do the same thing without dice tower

[cosmic egret]

True! I forgot about the hopper/chute

[worthy sparrow]

A lot of things that people suggest are either already possible in the mod, or require too much work

[worthy sparrow]

Also I didn't test hotkeys on servers

So if anyone can, please tell me if they work

[cosmic egret]

I'm several weeks out on a new server probably, I'm still trying to get my head around the filestructure for the oregen stuff. Once that's done it's all relatively easy math but between work and hobby stuff I've been slow.

[worthy sparrow]

Do card rotations work for you when placed?

[worthy sparrow]

like here

[cosmic egret]

Pretty much beyond the first card of a deck the all go invis

[worthy sparrow]

invisible what?

This is very strange

[cosmic egret]

there's a card on the table i'm hovering over in the screenshot, and 4 or 5 on the right table

No other mods installed. 1.20.6 and superflat world

[worthy sparrow]

press Shift Ctrl S when hotbar slot empty

[worthy sparrow]

Can't reproduce

[cosmic egret]

hm

I'll reload and test it again in 10-20 min

It... works just fine now

Okay. Well

Nope! Got it to work, it's to do with the Jokers

Yeah, joker related, then it causes all other cards to have an issue.

[worthy sparrow]

So strange

[worthy sparrow]

Here is card json
https://github.com/Craluminum-Mods/TabletopGames/blob/1.20/TabletopGames/assets/tabletopgames/itemtypes/playingcard.json

There are textures etc.

[cosmic egret]

Maybe it has something to do with their suit?

🤔

[worthy sparrow]

They don't have the suit

[cosmic egret]

That's my point, maybe there's something unhandled for "Suitless" cards?

Idk

[worthy sparrow]

As long as rank is joker, textures should work

[cosmic egret]

hm

I'll have to look more at it later, I've got a few things to do for now.

[worthy sparrow]

Okay

[dark iron]

Time to play poker with the boys during winter

[worthy sparrow]

Note that there are no poker tokens

[dark iron]

We can make it work

We’ll just use nuggets

[cosmic egret]

Or gears 😄

or coins from the coinage mod

that would probably work best, given they can stack on the ground like gears

[worthy sparrow]

Sure you can

[dark iron]

Well thats what we can bet with
But for the actual chips, id say nuggets that correspond to different values would work more

Like copper for 5, bronze for 10, iron for 20 and so on

[cosmic egret]

True, although using the Coinage mod might be a nicer implementation of that, especially if you can stack (the smallest) coins individually like on the dice tray! 😄

[old crown]

we use copper gears :^)

poker nights at the grain silo

[dense elk]

CANMarket is pretty dope

[worthy sparrow]

for what

[dense elk]

it's the money/shop mod we use, really lean

it's where the copper gears rag mentioned come from

[worthy sparrow]

How is it related to tabletop games

Oh right

[dense elk]

lol sorry I also didn't realize that rag mentioned it like two days ago

[bitter kayak]

Dana how to even make pieces made of stuff that doesn't have blocks

Like minerals and crystals

[worthy sparrow]

What minerals

[bitter kayak]

The ones that you can make dice and pieces

[worthy sparrow]

What pieces

Use schematic

[bitter kayak]

What if I want the ones from chiseled

[worthy sparrow]

Chiseled what

What do you mean?

[bitter kayak]

A mineral/crystal chiseled piece or board

[worthy sparrow]

If you can do it in vanilla, then you can do the same in the mod

If not, then not

[worthy sparrow]

omg

not even peak

[steady junco]

I been contemplating making a ttrpg oneshot for peeps to larp through, utilizing the dice ftom here. I just don't know what to do for a plot.
I'd love some help from the more technical or lore-savvy if they're willing to give it?

[worthy sparrow]

Do you want to make custom board?

[steady junco]

Nah, I understand the mod sufficiently 🙂

To be perfectly honest I don't know the appropriate channel to be workshopping my ideas.

[worthy sparrow]

Did you try cards too?

[steady junco]

Couldn't quite figure out how to work the cards.
But really all I need are the dice and I think I have them handled.

Thank you for the mod.

[worthy sparrow]

There are guides

[radiant berry]

this is literally the best mod ever

thank you

if only tarot cards existed....

[steady junco]

You can add custom cards in, no?

[radiant berry]

waaait, really?

sweet

[worthy sparrow]

Not yet

But you can make addon

[dense elk]

I'm loving the cards mod but I can't help but wonder if I'm doing something wrong. I've familiarized myself with the key combos to get it to do what I want, except I can't seem to figure out if you can draw a card face down. I could always tweak some poker rules but at the moment it seems like I can't have the dealer deal out cards without knowing what each card is. am I doing something wrong?

forgive me if this has already been addressed somewhere

[worthy sparrow]

You can't draw flipped card, I don't know how to implement it

[dense elk]

🙁 i figured there was a technical limitation to it, wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. it'll be a simple task to have a dedicated dealer for poker nights though, or just have people draw their own cards, it's effectively the same thing afterall

[worthy sparrow]

Does anyone need wildcraft trees compatibility?

[worthy sparrow]

omg

[worthy sparrow]

just noticed that the mod reached 50k

[hard horizon]

Congrats

I can't figure out how to make the other dice using the schematic

[worthy sparrow]

Press F while holding dice

[hard horizon]

Thanks

Planning to run Strixhaven in a server using this mod

[hard horizon]

@worthy sparrow i'm having trouble making custom boards, how do i set a scale with a second chiseled block?

I'm just very confused, I want to make a board at a 1x1 or a 2x2 scale

Like how do I define the hotbox with a chiseled block?

[old crown]

I can show you my custom board if you think that would help.

Left is the collsion board, right is the decorative board.

You can make each 'tile' on the board any height.

But to make it one space, it all needs to be the same material.

[worthy sparrow]

There is handbook guide

[hard horizon]

That really helped me, thanks

[weak aurora]

is the config supposed to be null? or is there supposed to be something there?

[worthy sparrow]

What exactly?

It shouldn't be null

[weak aurora]

well for some reason its null on my end, would removing the file and restarting the world work?

i had configlib mod on and tried editing the config from ingame but then it crashed, so i checked the config outside the game and there is nothing but the word null.

[weak aurora]

i'll see if removing the file works, if not then somethings wrong

doing so did not infact work

and without config lib its still null >.>
infact only having the tabletop mod on just gives a null config in modconfig folder

what is it supposed to have in it?

[worthy sparrow]

Does it still crash?

try new version

[weak aurora]

testing now~

there is a config now~

debug and client work

i say its working now and works with configlib :3

[tidal venture]

Hey! Does this mod contain d16? I know at one point you said you wanted to add it, but I wasn't sure if you ever got around to it. It's used in wargaming a good bit, and I was thinking about how with chiseled boards, one could chisel some sweet terrain to wargame on.

[worthy sparrow]

Not yet

[tidal venture]

Okay! Thanks for the quick response.

I saw your messages here about modelling the d10, and I saw you were having some... certain difficulties due to its unique geometry.
I think it'd be helpful to note that despite the somewhat-similar appearance the d16 shares with the d10, the d16 is a much simpler geometry since its faces are triangular instead of kite-like.

[worthy sparrow]

Triangular faces are made of the cubes too

[tidal venture]

I know, I've worked with the particular geometry myself in Blockbench instead of in VSMC. Still much better than the kite faces, and having to do extra to clean up the edges.

[worthy sparrow]

Can't find proper triangle

[tidal venture]

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

[worthy sparrow]

I can't find right proportions to make D16

[tidal venture]

I'll see what I can do.

[worthy sparrow]

There are simple shapes, including triangle, in archive on github

[tidal venture]

I was just gonna throw together a mockup on Blockbench, then show you the proportions.

[worthy sparrow]

https://github.com/Craluminum-Mods/TabletopGames/tree/1.20/TabletopGames/0-templates

[tidal venture]

I just have to have a few minutes to get off the phone and get set up at the computer. My monitor died a few weeks back and so I'm using my VR headset as my main display in desktop link mode.

I'll also check out that link you sent.

So what exactly are you struggling with?

[worthy sparrow]

tried to make D16

[tidal venture]

So I just did a very quick mockup in Blockbench.

Of course this looks messy, but you'll want to not texture the parts...

... - here in the red and blue triangles.

The width of a rectangle is 7 units, the height is 10.

The origin point is...

The angle is...

-53 Z
- but depending on the axis you are working on from, it could be +53, and in X instead of Z.

Then you could use more boxes to tidy up the edges to hide the jagged, pixelated UV from the rectangle.

[worthy sparrow]

Not how it works

Look at D10 model

just open it in VSMC or blockbench

[tidal venture]

I don't know how to navigate Git. Can you private message me the file?

I guess why I don't understand that it doesn't work this way, is that geometry is a universal aspect of all objects.

[worthy sparrow]

it is "public" archive so

[tidal venture]

What it looks like to me, what you're doing here is positioning all triangles along a perimeter, and then angling them in till their points meet.

[tidal venture]

Instead, do one face.

[worthy sparrow]

I made D10 in similar way

Although i made D10 with help of star shape

[tidal venture]

Angle it towards the center vertical axis, until the top point reaches the axis marker.

[worthy sparrow]

here is the shape that helped me with D10

[tidal venture]

If the triangle has too shallow of an angle, your triangle is too short.

[tidal venture]

Yeh, I see what you're doing. You're making it much harder on yourself. Let me eat, and I'll try and clear it up.

[worthy sparrow]

I made all dice this way

I don't use easy ways

just open d10

[worthy sparrow]

.

[tidal venture]

Oh.

Ahaha!

Alright, well I'll look at the d10.

I just got done eating.

[tidal venture]

Oh, my word.

You've like... really gone the hard way.

Alright, so I can still help you get the right geometry.

[worthy sparrow]

I tried to make it look as real as possible

[worthy sparrow]

Do you want to see D4, D8, D12 and D20 too?

[worthy sparrow]

Also I made it this way because obj models didn't work

[tidal venture]

Right. It looks good, too.
You just have still taken a harder route in even establishing the geometry.
I'll adjust my idea, and then I can show you a trick, and you may consider trying to implement it.
You'll be able to continue your method of designing individual faces, but the trick will make it less work assembling the faces into a complete shape.

[worthy sparrow]

i suck at geometry

at math too

[tidal venture]

Yeh, that's fine. This is a trick that will help you.

It looks like the first thing you've done is work on the perimeter. The red line here. Right?

[worthy sparrow]

Yes