Bricklayers

[unique gull]

• glazing bowls: This is unfortunately a bug in VS, pls see here:
  https://gitlab.com/codesmiths/vs_bricklayers/-/issues?sort=created_date&state=closed&first_page_size=20&show=eyJpaWQiOiI3MjYiLCJmdWxsX3BhdGgiOiJjb2Rlc21pdGhzL3ZzX2JyaWNrbGF5ZXJzIiwiaWQiOjE3NTkxMTk5NH0%3D
  I can't really fix this.
• Decorating bowls - this is not possible, sry.
• firing them twice refers to "once fire the bowl, then glaze it, then fire it again".

I think the recipe works, but the handbook just does not render the bowl. Use any VS clay bowl to glaze it. It is not possible to glaze porcelain bowls.

[upbeat hornet]

gotchu, thanks :3

[sour tapir]

I can't interact with this trader from bricklayer mod, I'm pressing on what I wanna buy but it doesn't work. I can't sell anything either

[unique gull]

Oh dear, maybe 1.21.6 broke something with the traders? Maybe they added new settings to the JSON and my custom trader's don't know about this. I don't have time to look and fix this right now, sry!

[unique gull]

I can confirm it's broken with 1.21.6 😩 I'll see if I can figure out what broke it.

[sour tapir]

thank god it's not another mod incompatibly in my massive modpack 😅 and I wish you much luck trying to fix the issue

[agile wasp]

There were three changes for 1.21.6, as follows.

Fixed: Prevent the trader menu to be opened by multiple players at the same time, which could be abused
Fixed: On some occasions, traders walked away from player mid-conversation or stood still after conversations
Fixed: For traders and villagers, opening the trade window caused the second dialog option also to be run automatically (typically "What's your name?")

Something about the first fix/change says to me, "I did this, I caused this issue". 😅

[stark mauve]

I suspect the third fix, because I noticed in 1.21 that modded traders were not doing the reveal-your-name later thing.

[unique gull]

are other custom traders like the book trader, domestic animal trader etc. also all broken in 1.21.6?

[stark mauve]

I'm afraid I don't have experience with book and animal traders

[brittle pagoda]

Just ran into a weird issue where I can't pour metal into an axe mold. tried using a few different axe molds and it still wasn't working. the other molds i've tried have all worked, so i'm not totally sure what's goin on

[unique gull]

What metal did you try to pour?

[brittle pagoda]

tin bronze

[unique gull]

was the crucible still hot? otherwise, I have no idea, sry.

[brittle pagoda]

yeah, it was

no worries, i figured it out. basically, i'm stupid, and completely forgot about like half of what In Dapple Groves does

[normal arch]

Dappled Groves does entirely too much for me. I was happy when they split the visuals into Under Tangled Boughs

[brittle pagoda]

its a lot but i like how it slows things down

[split sinew]

@unique gull keep up the great work on all your mods! I can't wait to see what you come up with this year!

[unique gull]

Thank you for your kind words 🙂

[upbeat hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQFXO2w_UP0

[light sedge]

I had a bit of an idea, @Tels
granted, you might not like it

Brick wall recipes like how there's dry stone walls

six bricks per wall more or less

[Sky appears]
"Hey i had an idea..."
[drops the workload of a lifetime]
[refuses to elaborate further, leaves]

[clever fossil]

Tbh, I don't see why you wouldn't use mortar to make a brick wall. Rocks you can get away with by interlocking things and them being relatively cheap, but if you're going through the effort of making bricks, either in-game or IRL, I don't see why you wouldn't also go through the effort of making and using mortar

[light sedge]

ok then how about "6 bricks block yields 8 wall"

[clever fossil]

... Why not just make it out of bricks and mortar, at that point?

[light sedge]

... I don't like to waste mortar

also IDK you, but I usually get large amounts of clay before I have access to barrels or a quern :V

[clever fossil]

If you're using mortar to make something, it's not really wasted, is it?

Also, tbh, that early on I'd just build a rock wall and focus on progressing to metal

Doesn't take that much effort to get to copper or, more preferably, bronze

[severe trail]

Hello there,
We might have found a bug or slight incompatibility on our server

We tried crafting Malachite Clay (Using powdered Malachite, Lime and Clay), but the recipe didn't work using Red Clay. It does however work using Blue-Gray Clay and Fireclay. The recipe does however show in the handbook that it should work using Red clay.

EM version: 3.4.1
Bricklayers version: 3.1.5
Game Version 1.21.6
Server: Debian Linux Dedicated
Client: both Fedora Linux and Windows 11

[unique gull]

Hello qgame, thank you for the detailed bug report! Nice to see the nec. details right away.

I've tried crafting this clay in my testworld with EM and BL and a bunch of other mods and it just works. Strangely enough, for me it does not work with fireclay.
But I've used Viridian, and looking at the recipes, it seems I've simply missed a few variants - powdered malachite + red clay is missing, as is viridian or manganese with fireclay.

My bad, I'll fix this in the next minor release. In the meantime, you can use either a different "green" color or a differen clay color. Sorry for the inconvience!

[unique gull]

You mean without mortar? Such a recipe should be reserved for drywalls, and these work because the stones are irregular. Bricks are very smooth, so I don't think this would work. And thank you for ideas and feedback, no worries 🙂

[unique gull]

Bricklayer's has surpassed 200K downloads on on the ModDB 🥰

To celebrate this, I've released another small release 3.1.6 - fixing the malachite clay crafting, adds crafting of malachite clay with iron sulfate and also removes the wrong "where to find clay" descriptions that were left in from previous releases and overwrote the VS correct texts.

Thank you all for your support, you are the best! ♥️

[red root]

Any idea what's causing this?

[unique gull]

Looks like BL is not loaded. You might need to upgrade Expanded Matter to 3.4.x if you upgraded BL?

[red root]

Most likely the issue, I updated BL but forgot EM. Thanks!

[unique gull]

There are good new features in EM 🙂

[severe trail]

Thanks you so much for the answer! I am happy to wait for the next release then

[unique gull]

It's already released it on the ModDB 🙂

[lilac stream]

⁨⁨Block schematic file large_glass.json uses blocks that could no longer be found. These will turn into air blocks! (affected: bricklayers:saltglazedflowerpot-burnt-pale-copper-red-plain)⁩⁩

[unkempt wave]

I cant seem to figure out how to glaze, putting the RAW, item in a barrel with the glaze does nothing and the handbook recipe is blank.. am I dont something wrong or is it bugging out?

Love the mod, played it last year with some friends and we couldnt figure out the glazing then too. Was a bit too complicated and step-y for us to get into it. But doing a new playthrough with everyone I wanted to get deep into the fun stuff of the mod fully for once.

Ah, server is running 3.1.5. lemme check the newest

[unkempt wave]

Same thing even when updating

seems like, bowls planters and flowerpots dont work for glazing?

[stark mauve]

Needs to be a fired item, can't glaze raw items

[unkempt wave]

you cant put fired ones in barrels though?

[stark mauve]

Which versions of the mods do you have? Supposed to be able to put the basic brown fired bowls/planters/flowerpots in barrels, Not the porcelain.

[unkempt wave]

3.1.5, played around with it and it seems like I can't direct place it in, but can shift click to send it to it. A bit finicky. Was able to get them all to glaze, but they won't show in the handbook as it's blank

[stark mauve]

Yeah the handbook issue is known I think.

[unique gull]

It's a VS bug or odditity that has sadly not being fixed in years. If you click with an empty open liquid container (also know as a "bowl" to us normies) into the slot of a barrel, then the game tries to transfer liquid from the empty container into the barrel, instead of putting the bowl into the barrel. So you have to use shift-click fo force it.
Content-only mods like BL can sadly do nothing really about it.
The handbook issue is the same, I don't know why it breaks or how to "fix" it.

[unkempt wave]

Gotcha, that all makes sense. Thank you for the reply. Can I also ask what the reasoning was for vats to have a mix and match top system but the vessels need to be all the same color?

[unique gull]

It's purely a limitation of how I build the items - each variant needs one block and apparently VS get's quite memory hungry and slow with the handbook if you have too many variations.
So the vats are somewhat of a mistake but I can't really simplify them now (without major rework). Neither can I add mix-and-match to the vessels and flowerpots, either, even tho I'd love to see such a system.
I had for a long time "half-glazed" items where the bottom had 5 or 6 different glazing options for every clay color but the mod was always called "too big" so sadly I had to remove them.

[unkempt wave]

Awh sad. I do love the vats. I find them very pretty. Maybe one day there could be an optional add on mod that brings that function to vessels.

[stark mauve]

I miss the salt glazing so much.

[kindred zinc]

hello is it possible to remove tiles once placed on a block?

on a chiselled block

[unique gull]

Yes, this is a standard VS mechanic - use a knife to cut them of.

[kindred zinc]

weird its not letting me do it?

right click right?

its not letting me

neither breaking the block or right click seems to do it

huh had to hit it in a weird angle and it worked nvm

[unique gull]

I think you have to look at the face the decor is sitting on, not just anywhere on the block. Also be careful, there is a VS bug where if you applied another decor, it will just delete the original one 😱 This hasn't been fixed every since they introduced the "put decor on chiseled blocks feature" years go. 😢

[kindred zinc]

ohhh damn

but also i figured it out its not actually the face where the decor sits

its where there's most pixels seems like?

[unique gull]

I dunno 🤷‍♂️ It's hard to make sense of all this.

[kindred zinc]

yep

just thought i'd write the explanation if someone in the far future will ever face my same issue lol

[unique gull]

There is the "problem" that converting items in a firepit takes a time that is "heating time + conversion" time and since each item heats up on it's own (reseting the firepit temp), the conversion time was kept quite short in BL so you don't have to wait ages for something converting at 1000°.
Unfortunately, "Better fire pit" elimates the "heat the item" time for the second, third etc. item as it prevents the remp. reset. This means, items for BL convert waaay faster then intended and I've never gotten really around to patch it - if ppl want to cheat, why not let them.

Now in 1.22:
Item heating: We intended to completely overhaul item heating but alas, we haven't managed to tackle this yet. As as interim solution, heated items in the firepit no longer reset their temperature after one item in the stack has been smelted/cooked. But also heating duration is now proportional to their stack size.

So, I'm not entirely sure what that means. Do I now need to adjust all my conversion times for 1.22 to be about the same, again? And then do it again for Better fire Pit, and then again for 1.23? I just can't keep up with this §$%@ anymore...

[spiral edge]

My understanding of the code is that before it was basically doing like this:

• Heat: 2 seconds, Cook: 1 second
• Heat: 2 seconds, Cook: 1 second
• Heat: 2 seconds, Cook: 1 second

But now it's more like:

• Heat: 6 seconds, Cook: 1 second, Cook: 1 second, Cook: 1 second

So in other words it just adds up the total heating time for the whole stack and heats it for that long right at the start and then stays at heat while the arrow fills up over and over.

So no changes for 1.22, it should take the same amount of time overall.

[unique gull]

ah, thanx for the explanation. So that makes a lot of sense.

It would also make "Better Fire Pit" obsolete or circumvent it, because it was:

• Heat: 2 seconds, Cook: 1 second
• Heat: 0 seconds, Cook: 1 second
• Heat: 0 seconds, Cook: 1 second
  And it now becomes 6 seconds + 1 + 1 +1 as you wrote.

[fiery summit]

quick question, what is the big open clay vessel for?

[unkempt wave]

can combine it with dirt to make a planter, or a ring and a lid to make a normal vessel

[unique gull]

Just a heads up:

• light mud brick slabs in v1.22 will conflict with the ones from BL, but I patched in the "game" version, so they can be used just fine, it's just that the patch complains, which I will fix.

[unique gull]

Btw, in the version the special "vessel planters" will be gone, you will be able to plant plants and trees (but not crops or fruit trees) directly into the open vessel base. (probably, it saves 20 blocks and 2 recipes, so, no sure if I'll actually invest the time to change it 🙂

[unique gull]

Also, don't used "glass panes" (glass tiles as decor), they will also be removed in the next version for 1.22.

[unique gull]

I've released a pre-release of BL for 1.22, which fixes the most obvious errors related to new blocks or patches etc.
https://mods.vintagestory.at/bricklayers
Please do not use on 1.21 worlds, make a backup and be careful. And please report any other errors or oddities you might encounter here and not on the ModDB - Discord makes it much easier to discuss things.

[toxic flame]

Hey Tels, thanks for all the hard work keeping BL functional all this time

Im just here once again hoping and praying that a 1.22 patch for BL includes a way to craft raw clay tiles in grid and not via clay forming 🙏

It is literally the only thing I can think to ask for

[unique gull]

I'll probably do this as I haven't found any non-tedious way of clayforming them.
Even toyed with the idea to let you clayform an entire slab, and then "cut" it into 6 or 8 tiles either directly or in the grid, but even this is just tedious.

https://gitlab.com/codesmiths/vs_bricklayers/-/issues/739

It will probably be expensive on the clay, requiring 9 clay for each tile (4 clay = 1 brick), but it should allow mass crafting them.

[toxic flame]

The material price could be almost anything if you ask me, as it will never compare with the cost of time required to clayform them by hand instead

I'll graciously accept any material balance you see fit to have the convenience 🙏

[grave iron]

@unique gull Hello! I would like to translate this mod into Ukrainian. I found the bricklayers-tels.json file in the Vintage Story Mods project on Crowdin. Can I translate it there? Is it a valid and updated file? Will you take it from there when I finish the translation?

[unique gull]

привіт Grigoriewich, thank you for your offer, much appreciated!
I don't use Crowdin, so I don't know exactly what is on there.
The latest file for BL can be found here, this is the authoritive source used for all other languages.
https://gitlab.com/codesmiths/vs_bricklayers/-/blob/main/assets/bricklayers/lang/en.json
You can send me the file via discord and I will happily add it into the next release. Thank you!

[modest pumice]

I only seem to be able to glaze bowls and planters? The cups and flowerpot won't seal into the barrel

[unique gull]

• Which kind of flowerpot do you want to glaze with what glaze?
• On which VS version and Bricklayerare you on?

Cups cannot be glazed, sorry.

[grave iron]

Hi! I've finally finished translating the mod into Ukrainian. How should I send you the file? I can't upload it to GitLab.

[unique gull]

Just post it here, this is fine. And thank you! 🇺🇦

[unique gull]

I've merged the file (with some minor fixes an re-alignment):
https://gitlab.com/codesmiths/vs_bricklayers/-/merge_requests/669
The translation will appear in the upcoming release 3.2 for VS 1.22. Thank you again! 💙 💛

[grave iron]

How am I supposed to test this translation on version 1.21.6, especially on someone else's server? I saved the file in the mod, but it got overwritten again.

[unique gull]

Yeah, the current mod contains a tiny file with only one line, so this will probably override it again. I'm not sure how you could do this, except by making your own mod version. But then you can't test it on another server.

[grave iron]

Okay, I'll wait for 1.22. You've got a great mod—thanks for it!

[unique gull]

I'm quite busy fixing all the mods for 1.22, so I'll probably not be able to make another release for 1.21. Sorry about this!

[grave iron]

I wish you success in your work. May your projects become even more popular.

[unique gull]

Would you have time to do some more translation? For EM, there are about 30 strings currently missing in the Ukrainian translation. I can send them to you if you have time.

[grave iron]

@unique gull, Okay, I'm ready.

[unique gull]

Here you go .

[grave iron]

I guess so. When I have time, I'll get to it. There are some mistakes in the translation.

@unique gull, I translated it.

[grave iron]

Please replace the lines in brickslayer's translation. I made a mistake in translating one type of rock. Sorry)

"bricklayers:item-smallstonebrick-chert": "Флінтова кам'яна цеглина (мала)",
"bricklayers:block-smallstonebricks-chert": "Флінтові малі кам'яні цеглини",
"bricklayers:block-smallstonebrickslab-chert-": "Флінтова плита з малих кам'яних цеглин",
"bricklayers:block-smallstonebrickstairs-chert-": "Флінтові сходи з малих кам'яних цеглин",
"bricklayers:block-stonetile-normal-chert": "Флінтова кам'яна плитка",
"bricklayers:block-stonetile-shiny-chert": "Гладка флінтова кам'яна плитка",
"bricklayers:block-stonetiles-dull-chert": "Флінтові кам'яні плитки",
"bricklayers:block-stonetiles-polished-chert": "Поліровані флінтові кам'яні плитки",
"bricklayers:item-stonerawtile-chert": "Груба флінтова кам'яна плитка",
"bricklayers:item-stonerawtileshiny-chert": "Щойно полірована флінтова кам'яна плитка",

[unique gull]

Thank you, I've updated the translation. It will be in the next release, hopefully soon 🙂

[unique gull]

The latest RC contains these tweaks:

• Tweak: Crushed items and flour items now use a solid texture, rather than one that is mostly transparent, thus allowing the solid texture to be used in containers. As a result the crushed and flour models have also changed, and have more polys. All crushed items also now use the 'normal' model
• Tweak: The container (barrel and crate) shape UVs have been adjusted to be centered within the texture, rather than in a corner

Uff, this has the potential to now break a lot of my incontainer textures and crushed items, both for BL and EM...

[agile wasp]

It's always something! 😅

Well, hang in there. Your mods are a delight to use, and even if it ends up taking a while of chipping away, look on the bright side... by that time, stable would have been able to go through a revision or two. Less work, long-run.

[unique gull]

I've looked at the issue, and the past tels was smart - he made his own "crushed item" plus textures, so it works 😄 There might be a few unnec. incontainer patches now, but I can always remove them later. phew

[agile wasp]

Oh, good! It's always a pleasant surprise when you can think back and realize that past you didn't make present you's life harder... at least, that's my experience.

[unique gull]

After adding so many non-brick features, then removing so many features and slimming down the mod, it is high-time that Bricklayers goes back to it's roots and adds more bricks.

The small stone bricks are nice, but they are a very early work, and look often way to clean and out of place. So I've experimented with colored mudbricks made out of daub.

These blend in much better. I also like the "irregular fireclay bricks (far left bottom)" and maybe I'll add even more variations of the mud bricks. Also, I'm thinking having very light (almost white like plaster), blue, deep green, purple and red daub could maybe be a thing.
Plus, maybe the cleanest daub blocks could get the same texture variants as the rammed earth could have 🤔
Anywhere, here is a preview of what I have so far.

[tender igloo]

oh those daub bricks look lovely

[brittle plaza]

Having an issue on VS 1.21.6, Bricklayers 3.1.6, I cannot place bowls into the barrel for glazing. using Cream Ceramic Bowls, they just wont go into the slot at all. and looking at the recipe, it appears where the bowl should be is missing.

Maybe a mod incompatibility? I will see if I can find any more info

[unique gull]

You need to "shift click" them from your hotbar into the open barrel slot - this is a long-standing issue where "empty open liquid containers" try to "add liquid to the barrel" when you try to put them into the slot - even tho the container (bowl) contains no liquid. This is a thing that content-only mods like BL cannot change. Sorry.

Since it hasn't been fixed for a couple of years now, and this question re-appears every few weeks, I'll probably need to add a handbook note to the bowls and cups...

[brittle plaza]

Ohh I see! Yes that definitely would be handy to have that note in the handbook I couldn't work out what I was doing wrong for the life of me haha. Thank you so much!

[brittle plaza]

Otherwise, I just wanna say how much I love the mod, the glazing and ceramics have just absolutely captivated me haha

[unique gull]

@grave iron Due to the changes to the traders, the strings for traders also changed. Could you please translate these few into Ukrainian?
There might be different strings needed for male and female traders, so please be aware. "cold", "temperate" and "desert" refer to the climate zone.
Thank you! 💙 💛

"game:item-creature-trader-*-pottery-cold":                        "Pottery trader (cold)",
"game:item-creature-trader-*-pottery-temperate":                   "Pottery trader (temperate)",
"game:item-creature-trader-*-pottery-desert":                      "Pottery trader (desert)",
"game:item-creature-trader-*-glass-cold":                          "Glass trader (cold)",
"game:item-creature-trader-*-glass-temperate":                     "Glass trader (temperate)",
"game:item-creature-trader-*-glass-desert":                        "Glass trader (desert)",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-male-pottery-*":                        "Local goods - {0} the pottery trader",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-female-pottery-*":                      "Local goods - {0} the pottery trader",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-male-glass-*":                          "Local goods - {0} the glass trader",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-female-glass-*":                        "Local goods - {0} the glass trader",

[grave iron]

"game:item-creature-trader--pottery-cold": "Торговець керамікою (холодний клімат)",
"game:item-creature-trader--pottery-temperate": "Торговець керамікою (помірний клімат)",
"game:item-creature-trader--pottery-desert": "Торговець керамікою (спекотний клімат)",
"game:item-creature-trader--glass-cold": "Торговець склом (холодний клімат)",
"game:item-creature-trader--glass-temperate": "Торговець склом (помірний клімат)",
"game:item-creature-trader--glass-desert": "Торговець склом (спекотний клімат)",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-male-pottery-": "Місцеві товари — {0}, торговець керамікою",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-female-pottery-": "Місцеві товари — {0}, торговка керамікою",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-male-glass-": "Місцеві товари — {0}, торговець склом",
"game:tradingwindow-trader-female-glass-": "Місцеві товари — {0}, торговка склом",

[grave iron]

Hi! 0/
I'm always happy to help.
Once you've completed a certain amount of work, please send me the entire file so I can finalize the text.

[unique gull]

Will do 🙂 Hopefully there will be no more big changes before 1.22.

[unique gull]

I've just pushed another pre-release of BL to the ModDB - this one fixes a bunch of issues and adds as new feature the new "daub bricks" 🧱 Please tell me if there are any issues beside these:

• pottery and glass traders do not have structures to spawn in (so you won't be able to find them in new worlds)
• glazed and ceramic oil lamps have the wrong model and crafting (why-oh-why do we now have to use a new model instead of bowls 🤦‍♂️

[graceful falcon]

can you throw them tho?

[unique gull]

of course 😉

[light sedge]

make pottery traders live in a giant teapot :^)

[candid thunder]

okay, found my way over here

I know not all of my mods are up to date

but... they work, with the exception of bricklayers and expanded matter

[frosty cloud]

You gonna need to provide literally any information if you want help with that bro

[candid thunder]

Tels asked me to continue our conversation over here

his mods are not playing well with the rest of mine them, i'm pretty sure it's something with the mods but can't say what specifically as it didn't spit anything out to the logs or cause a crash. I'm willing to play detective a little bit to help out if i can because i'd really like the mods to work well with everything else

and apparently, i'm too tired to english tonigh lol

[unique gull]

IsaDwarf wrote this on the ModDB:

sorry, yeah that would be helpful. 1.22 Yes, upgraded both BL and EM as I was waiting for EM to launch before redownloading BL.

I have: Attribute Rendering Library 3.0.0, Auto Map Markers 5.0.1, BetterEr Prospecting 3.2.1, BloodTrail 1.2.0, Bricklayers 3.2.0 (inactive), Butchering 1.13.0 (newly aquired), CaveinFix 1.0.1, CaveSpawning 0.1.0, ClosedCaptions 0.1.6 (inactive), Death Corpses 2.7.0 (newly aquired and inactive), Draconis 1.4.0, Expanded Matter 3.5.0 (inactive), Food Preferences 1.0.0, Foragers Gamble 1.3.0, forkedgimap 1.6.0, Geology Additions 1.4.6, Geology Map 1.10, HUD Clock Patch 1.1.2, Hydrate Or Diedrate 2.4.2, Interesting Ore Gen 2.3.1, Jaunt: Extended Riding System 3.0.0, Material Needs: Geology 2.0.1, Monoceros: Ancient unicorns 1.4.0, Place on slabs 1.0.4, Primitive Survival 5.0.4, Real Smoke 1.2.0, Specialized Classes 2.2.0, Terrain Slabs 1.0.12, VanillaPlus WorldGen Patch 1.4.0, VS Roofing Mod 1.5.0, World Map Master Reforged 1.0.0

From the earlier report:

I hate to give unhelpful feedback, but there's something not playing nicely. With the two mods added I lag for 30-90 seconds at a time. A couple times, I thought I might have to hard restart my computer it froze up so long. It's not crashing.

This sounds really like the computer is literally running out of memory and swapping to disk. I've not yet had time to download and install and test the combination of these mods, but I will do some tests and see how it goes.

[unique gull]

The hardest part for me is that I have to design completely new trader structures that hopefully fit into vanilla. In the past I've just duplicated and tweaked some VS structures, but now that they are by region (hot, temperate, cold) this is triple the amount of work. 😩

[gleaming lagoon]

From experience, yeah, what they described is pretty much what happens when the game use all available memory.

[unique gull]

A couple questions:

• I can't find "forkedgimap" on the mod db. What is the exact name of that mod?
• Geology Additions is not yet updated for 1.22 - are you sure it is actually working? https://mods.vintagestory.at/geologyaddons#tab-files
• Is Jaunt: Extended Riding System 3.0.0" to be meant Jaunt: Entity Movement System`? https://mods.vintagestory.at/jaunt#tab-files

[unique gull]

It could also be that when adding BL and EM, the system runs a remapping in the background, which could stall VS for extended periods of times. It's really quite unclear here what is happening (and I don't think I can even fix anything, anyway)

[unique gull]

Sorry, I cannot replicate this issue on my system. My bet is still your computer not having enough memory. Note that if your world is older and bigger, the map gets bigger etc. and all this needs more memory, still. I'd also not rule out a problem with some of the mods not being properly uptodate for VS 1.22 - if one enables the extended debug mod, you can see tons and tons of patch errors from the various mods - like butchering assuming certain fish are still in Primitive survival etc. Not sure if these cause issues.

Here are my testresults with your mod set and a freshly created Standard world:

State                        |Memory total  | VS Memory | FPS   | Comments
-----------------------------+--------------+-----------+-------+--------------------
       Baseline (system idle | 10.3 GB      | -         |       |
                        Menu | 10.7 GB      | 0.4 GB    | n/a   |
        After creating world | 18.1 GB      | 7.8 GB    | ~ 40  |
  After letting chunks spawn | 19.1 GB      | 8.8 GB    | ~ 41  | View distance: 416
    Restart VS, reload world | 18.9 GB      | 8.6 GB    | ~ 45  | View distance: 416
       Enable EM, restart VS | 19.0 GB      | 8.7 GB    | ~ 43  | View distance: 416
  Enable BL + EM, restart VS | 19.2 GB      | 8.9 GB    | ~ 40  | View distance: 416
            Opening Handbook | 19.5 GB      | 9.2 GB    | ~ 40  | View distance: 416

[candid thunder]

Geology Additions is not yet updated for 1.22 - are you sure it is actually working?

yes, i'm sure it's working

it looks like the map mod has been removed, as it was a forked version.

Yes, that is the correct Jaunt mod

I am autistic and am not always the best at communication so perhaps I was unclear about the issue. My game runs smoothly without any lag whatsoever without BL and EM installed, with the full list of mods running (minus butchering which I only saw was updated when I checked to see if there was an issue already reported with the mods) I am assuming it's an interaction with one of the mods i'm also running or you would have caught it prior to release (unless it's an alternate operating system issue) because this is a game breaking issue. I did start an entirely new world when first trying out the mods to ensure i didn't corrupt my prior world, so it was definitely not world size. turning off the mods and restarting the game has it running smoothly with no lag again even after adding butchering. the one thing i did not do was try BL and EM on their own without the others as i had no intention of running them solo. I will do so now to rule out a operating system conflict.

[candid thunder]

using a brand new vanilla world with only BL and EM mods, not even a terrain gen or map marker, I am still experiencing lag. very slight, but noticable. That is with every other program on my computer shut down. This is not normal game behavior. I typically run multiple programs in the background when playing games, even modded games.

that's as much help as i can be, i'm sorry.

[unique gull]

BL and EM are content-only mods, they have nothing in them that could really cause any lag. After the world is loaded, nothing more "happens". So I'm sorry I can't help you there 😕

[raven veldt]

Unless you're using ancient hardware like mine, then BL can potentially cause a bit of lag with as many textures as it adds

Though it still wont be as bad as some other mods can be

[unique gull]

But permanent lag could only be a thing if there is constant "swapping" of memory or textures from/to the GPU - there really should be no lag caused by "too many textures" as these are compiled into atlases, right?

[raven veldt]

I have no idea how/why things turn out the way they do, only that they do at least sometimes, and the greatly lightened version of BL I've been using for quite a while has had less of an impact on game performance than the full version of BL did, which wasn't a terribly big impact in the first place even for me, but there is an impact

[unique gull]

which parts did you remove?

[raven veldt]

Almost everything except the small stone bricks in all honesty

[unique gull]

ah, yeah, that would do the trick. Not that I could release it that way, tho.

[raven veldt]

I mean, it would be more effort to maintain but you could separate the brick and non-brick parts of BL into separate mods, on the subject of bricks, how hard would it be to backport just the new bricks from the 1.22 pre-release? (either for you or a random person that's interested in using them)

[unique gull]

The "daub" bricks are just daub + clay, they could be easily put into their own mod.
But maintaining multiple mods is not free, unfortunately. Every mod adds more and more overhead that eats into my modding time.
Plus I hate mods like BL that were once in the top 10 downloaded mods sinking to the bottom while small mods get a one-time boost, then get forgotten, too. It's an attention-war now on the moddb, it seems...

[craggy walrus]

For me at least, this is a mod i cannot play without anymore, so thank you for creating and maintaining it 👍

[unique gull]

Thank you for the kind words - and just now there is a new 3.2.0 release of Bricklayers on the ModDB:

https://mods.vintagestory.at/bricklayers

It adapts the mod to VS 1.22 and adds the new daub-based colored mud bricks.

There are a few things todo (namely that pottery and glass traders do not have huts/places to spawn in), these will come in the next point release after I've fixed and released all our other mods.

Please enjoy building! 🧱 🏡

[craggy walrus]

Epic

[light sedge]

Can I use your glass textures for a thingy? I'm thinking of extending ACA's bottles to be craftable from some glass colors added by BL, like black glass, orange glass and so on. Being realistic, this is a project i could actually take on from start to finish.

[ripe mulch]

@unique gull Russian translation incoming! https://ru.crowdin.com/editor/vintage-story-mods/239/en-ru?view=comfortable&filter=basic&value=0

[ripe mulch]

To be precise, the translation is ready. It can be downloaded and integrated into the mod. I can upload the file separately here so you don't have to deal with the platform.

[iron kettle]

Hello everyone, i'm french so sorry if my English is not perfect by advance. The multiplayer server i play on was (and will be I hope for S2) using your mod "Bricklayers" version 3.1.6 which is stunning and amazing thanks for your work. I discover it along my adventure and notice some odd stuff/bug. Clay-forming Malachite "Shingle" and "Amphora top" i have notice a wrong start orientation and when finished flip to right one.

Second thing, when clay-forming pots in malachite argyle in the 4 different colors have a blinking effect on the mini map which can be better notice with adding a bowl (blank pixel appearance on the mini map) on the same block.

Hard to show this but i swear it blink.

I hope this help, and will come back if i link another screenshot to this mod. Again thx GLHF for 1.22.

[unique gull]

This is meant to be that way, so you see it is "done". As for the "blinking" this is something that VS does on it's own and that I cannot change.
Thank you for the kind words 🥰

[frosty cloud]

Hi Tels, looks like in 1.22 oil lamps are now a seperate clayforming recipe entirely from bowls and needs either olive oil or rendered fat now - but bricklayers still uses the old system

[spiral edge]

Heh, I actually spent a lot of time painstakingly rewriting recipes and stuff to make sure everything lined up in vanilla specifically so it would feel more immersive and plan to do more for the rotation in general in this regard at some point.

[unique gull]

Yeah, I know. Another one of these "it requires more hours to fix" things - simply haven't gotten around to it (and there is even a note on the release saying so). Got 2 more bug reports, so a new BL release will follow soon(ish).

[unique gull]

I don't doub this. It's just that bricklayers has sep. glazed and porcelain oillamps - and at least the porcelain oillamps now need a sep. "raw" item plus clayforming recipes - which makes my mod a big bigger. Which I'm desperatedly trying to get away from 🙂

[spiral edge]

I wasn’t talking about oil lamps, it was a response about shingles wasn’t it?

And honestly I’m not saying you should make your mod bigger I was just gabbing.

[unique gull]

ah, sry, I missed that part 🙂
So you are saying that when you clayform something, then after the forming is done, there should be no longer a rotation? Then I need to fix my clayforming recipes - formerly I've aligned them so it rotates as VS does 🙃

[unique gull]

I know - it's just an unfortuate side-effect of having oillamps now being their own shape - it's ok for VS with only one variant but BL has quite a few made from colored porcelain. No worries, tho, I'll fix it and have ideas to compensate for that.

[spiral edge]

I get it, yeah.

[unique gull]

New release shortly, there were some things missing in 3.2.0 like recipes for the new mudbricks 🙈

[unique gull]

Thank you. With what name/nickname do you want to be mentioned in the CREDITS and in the modinfo file?

I'm also questioning some of the translations. For instance this change:

-       "bricklayers:item-smallstonebrick-andesite":            "Маленькие каменные кирпичи (Андезит)",
+       "bricklayers:item-smallstonebrick-andesite":            "Каменный кирпич (Андезит)",

Change the translation from "Small stone brick (andesite)" to "Stone brick (andesite)" and this does not seem right to me.

[ripe mulch]

Subtleties of Russian translation. Confusion is possible, as the game code contains blocks of the type "stonebricks-*," but in the text they are called "* ashlar block" . In Russian, this is not "Brick" but "Blocks," so visually, "smallstonebrick-*" blocks are actually bricks, as they have four layers of masonry. "Small bricks" are when there are eight layers.

[ripe mulch]

Alatyr
https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/user/9C3258B54D85F29E48FD

[unique gull]

Yeah, but in BL, the ones with four layers are called "small stone bricks" in every other language...

[ripe mulch]

This is what bricks (normal size) actually look like in the first screenshot. But the developers somehow messed things up with the new brick types. Now a normal brick is a large brick, and a small brick has a completely different pattern in its name.

[unique gull]

Yeah, I know 🙁 I don't want to change all my brick names, tho.

[ripe mulch]

I think people will like it. If not, we can change the name back to "Маленькие каменные кирпичи" at any time. But it sounds weird to me to have small bricks without regular bricks.

[unique gull]

Poll time: what do people think about replacing the "procelain oil lamps" with the new shapes from VS?
Should I keep the old one 🅰️ (left) or replace them with the new shapes (right) 🇧 ?
The new shape could have a thinner rim, but I'm asking "should they be hanging and have a wick, or be the more modern clean look they have now".

[unique gull]

I'll keep it in the russian translation for now and postpone any changes to other languages for now. I'm still busy adapting to VS 1.22

[ripe mulch]

Make a new shape but thinner?

[unique gull]

Yeah, sure, I can do that. I'm just asking "should they be hanging and have the wick etc. or should they be more modern and clean looking".

[worldly dawn]

We just had a talk about this last night on our server and I had come here to ask about it, but you're already on it, huzzah! Please we would love these updated to the new model shapes/recipes 😄 ❤️

[graceful falcon]

wick makes much more sense imo

never understood why oil lamps used to be just a flat glowing sufrace

[unique gull]

probably because the devs don't have unlimited time and neither have I 🙂

[graceful falcon]

but they do have wicks now

[unique gull]

Seems the mahority (9 to 0) want the new models. So here we go - still need to do a new model for the porcelain variant with a thinner rim. But getting there.

[unique gull]

I'm strongly thinking about removing the glazed oillamps and just keep the porcelain ones. The glazed ones are not much distinct from the now new colored oillamps in VS, and there are 30 different ones, meaning I'd add 30 new block variants just for the "raw glazed oillamp" - and I'm desp. trying to reduce the amount of blocks, not increase it 😬
Plus, they'd also require a new model which is a copy of the VS one just to set the "it's shiny!" flag on the glazed ceramic.
The porcelain ones at least have a stronger light and bring new colors not in VS.

[frosty cloud]

makes sense to me

[stark mauve]

Will there still be malachite colored lamps?

[unique gull]

No, I'd removed all of the glazed ones. Or keep all of them. Doesn't make much sense to keep 1 or 2 but not the other 28 ones.

[ripe mulch]

I'm currently playing with this translation with my friends. Anyone can double-check the lines on the site and suggest a better option.

[light sedge]

I think he means malachite clay ones, as opposed to malachite glaze

[unique gull]

But there are no "malachite clay oil lamps" - you only have malachite glazed oil lamps in BL.

[light sedge]

oh

[stark mauve]

So oil lamps come in the vanilla beehive kiln colors, but not the added beehive kiln colors?

[unique gull]

Currently, there are no "added" behive colors in BL. In 1.21, oil lamps could be crafted from:

• VS vanilla bowls (but no malachite, green, purple etc.)
• glazed Bricklayer bowls
• porcelain Bricklayer bowls

In 1.22, currently, you can:

• craft VS vanilla oillamps (but no malachite, green, purple etc.)
• porcelain Bricklayer bowls

I'm still thinking about adding malachite, green, blue and purple oillamps made from ordinary clay, but I have not yet looked into that.

[unique gull]

Poll time:
Pwdered and crushed corundum is used in Bricklayers for the "polishing set". However, the game for some reason did not add grinding stones based on bauxite, nor corundum.
I think these should somehow be connected, but I can't really decide how. Maybe this should be a Bricklayer's thing - where you must use the polishing set when crafting grind stones + grind stones can be made out of bauxite? 🅱️
Or should this be an Expanded Matter² features? 🇪
Please vote!

[iron kettle]

Yop, talking about the polishing tool, i used it last game and find it awful to use because it's low durability and haven't find a way to repair it. Thankfully i have a trader not far away to buy corundum to remake tool to polish the few block i made.

[unique gull]

• Hard wood gives you more durability. I could boost it, but you are the first person so far mentioning this.
• Repairing tools in VS is not possible for content-only mods, unfortunately 😒

[iron kettle]

Hoo thank for the tips about hard wood didn't realize it. And yes that's unfortunate for the repair feature, that's would be a precious add. You can boost it a bit or having a way to set it by player trough an option maybe.

[ripe mulch]

Crash when trying watch Large wooden gear section recipe in handbook. For some reason it is connected with this mod.

[unique gull]

This isn't a problem of BL - it works when I use only BL and EM. BL doesn't even touch large wooden gears!
This is either a problem with some other mod patching the recipes or things in the handbook, or probably something in extrainfo or maybe some of the client optimisation mods like optitime. I can only speculate.
And since BL is a content-only mod, I can't even fix the issue. Sorry!

[ripe mulch]

Yes, it's not so obvious here... I need to look for the reason further.

[unique gull]

I think it might be caused by the old Tailor's Delight version you have. I just released a new one (coincidentily 😄 and I remember that some of the patches that targeted machenical power blocks where wrong (the VS devs added recipes in between, so patching recipes targetet the wrong index).
This could have caused the recipe for the gear section to be invalid and thus crash the handbook 🤔 Please try upgrading TD and Wool & More and see if this helps?

[unique gull]

I'ved decided not to mess with this at all. Grindstones can be crafted in basically the copper age, whereas a polishingset basically requires a windmull and pulverrizer (or trading for crushed corundum), so people would probably feel restricted just for my sake of "realism".

[ripe mulch]

No

However, the message has changed slightly.

Let's turn to the great sage! ||AI||

[unique gull]

Hm, yeah, this is strange, there are translation entries for "plank-aged" like this:

assets/game/lang/eo.json
4976:   "item-plank-aged": "Tabulo (Malnova)",

The funny thing is, Bricklayers itself does NOT have a plank aged in any of it's recipes mentioned, the only mentions are in itemtypes of the lang files:

$ ack "aged" assets/bricklayers/ -l
assets/bricklayers/lang/en.json
assets/bricklayers/itemtypes/tool/polishingset.json
assets/bricklayers/itemtypes/resource/sherds.json

I'm not quite seeing where this could be hiding.

But then, THERE ARE aged planks in the game. I'm confused.

[unique gull]

Your "AI" is lying, as usual. Please do not post wrong stuff like that.

[ripe mulch]

It's really weird, there are aged planks in the game now, and even more aged planks

[ripe mulch]

Ok

At least sometimes he can say something useful, but apparently not on such an obscure topic.

[unique gull]

What could be that somewhere there is a reference to "plank-aged" or "plank-*" instead of "game:plank-aged" but I can't find this in either BL nor other mods of mine that I've checked. References to plank are always using game:plank- so this should be ok. There might be somewhere a case where this is missing, but still, I don't think it's my problem when other mods that muck in the innards of VS crash because of this. VS does not even throw a warning under extended debug info.
My guess would be the mods like extrainfo just are confused by something. Maybe their developers can answer this riddle?

Maybe it is related to the polishingset. It has this strange setup:

        "variantgroups": [
                { "code": "wood", "loadFromProperties": "game:block/wood", "states": [ ] }
        ],
        "tool": "knife",
        "skipVariants": [ "polishingset-aged" ],

This means it loads all the wood types, then adds an empty list (states: []) then skips the non-existing "aged" variant.
The reason for the empty array is so that when Wildcraft is loaded, their variants can be added there. I'll re-arrange that in the next version so it's simpler, maybe this will help. I'll hopefully be able to release a new version tomorrow.

[unique gull]

Could you please check that it isn't "Material Needs"? This one adds f.i. "aged roof pieces" and. Does the error also happen if you have just these mods on?

• BL, EM
• attribute rendering library
• extra info

[ripe mulch]

I found the reason, it's another new mod

[unique gull]

good news, it's not me 😄

[upbeat hornet]

the problem is that AI doesnt know when it doesnt know, and cant know things to begin with. Its also incapable of saying "sorry cant help ya there, no idea" because people would downvote that response so it just makes up some plausible sounding bullshit

[unique gull]

I'ved also decided not to mess with this at all. Grindstones can be crafted in basically the copper age, whereas a polishingset basically requires a windmull and pulverrizer (or trading for crushed corundum), so people would probably feel restricted just for my sake of "realism".

[unique gull]

Oh, and corundum can also be found by panning.

Sorry for the delay, had to finish the oillamps first. Do you think these values are ok, or they still need boosting?

        "durabilitybyType": {
                "polishingset-oak": 750,
                "polishingset-birch": 650,
                "polishingset-purpleheart": 600,
                "polishingset-ebony": 570,
                "polishingset-redwood": 570,
                "polishingset-walnut": 550,
                "polishingset-maple": 500,
                "polishingset-*": 400
        },

[iron kettle]

Haaa, never pan of my life ... tedious work for less reward in vanilla i thought but with mods maybe worth it by night waiting sunrise.

Sec i need to check IG with the recipe and the block i made to tell you more

[iron kettle]

So i use a bit more than 2 polishing tool with 796 durability (oak one) to create 48 White marble / 48 Pink marble / approx 64 Obsidian tiles like the recipe showed. (3.1.6 version of BL)
That was before knowing that trader sell corundum :).

[unique gull]

• Is the 796 vs the original 750 because you have a mod or a setting that boosts durability?
• And I guess from your answer, I should improve the durability of the sets, by say, at least 50%?

I do wonder if the grinding wheel could be used for some of the work but then again, it would be manual labor, is probably not even supported by VS... 😶‍🌫️

[iron kettle]

The improvement of durability, don't know exactly where it comes from (i can dig). Maybe change the recipe where more corundum needed for more durability of the tool may be a good balance. The tool itself is a good add, having this feature added to the grinding wheel is, for me, not necessary.

Btw i've got one last things to report before letting u ;), it's concerning luminous glass but need a bit of time to formulate it.

[unique gull]

I wish it was easy to make repair recipes. Whenever a recipe has a negativ durability, you can add that to a tool but once you hit 100% it just goes up, creating "supertools" that are just broken.
Anyway, I do think that using 2 polishing sets for the amount of blocks you crafted is sensible. I can boost the hard-wood variants a bit more, but I don't want to overdo it. One uses multiple hammers, chisels etc. too. (albeit a copper hammer is certainly cheaper than a polishing set)

Settled on these (roughly 30% more, except for the basic ones and other alternative wood types, like the ones from Wildcraft Trees)

-               "polishingset-oak": 750,
-               "polishingset-birch": 650,
-               "polishingset-purpleheart": 600,
-               "polishingset-ebony": 570,
-               "polishingset-redwood": 570,
-               "polishingset-walnut": 550,
-               "polishingset-maple": 500,
-               "polishingset-*": 400
+               "polishingset-oak": 950,
+               "polishingset-birch": 850,
+               "polishingset-purpleheart": 780,
+               "polishingset-ebony": 740,
+               "polishingset-redwood": 740,
+               "polishingset-walnut": 710,
+               "polishingset-maple": 640,
+               "polishingset-*": 480

[iron kettle]

Of course, anyway i think polishing with a hammer is not that realist thing xD. I just was frustrated that using it for this few block before recrafting one was hard/expensive job. Don't worry, i think not much player use it to drain your attention and time.

I have just test to create a maple one which show me the regular 500 durability where do the F... i've got the 795 with oak back in the day!

[unique gull]

maybe something with xskills? I don't know how that works 😄

[iron kettle]

Probably first thing i thought but how, cannot retest it cause multiplayer server is closed but i retrieve the world thanks to the admin work and have some bugs which reset skill ... so this one is mystery.

[unique gull]

Do you think this is something small that could go into the next release today, or is it a more complicated topic?

[iron kettle]

Totally, it's about white glass base recipe which is not the same as every other colors, when you look at it in "H" menu. Need a bit of time to explain but when i prepare all the base of glowing glass / "glaze", only the transparent / white have a totaly different approach.

[unique gull]

IIRC it is because there is no "plain white glass" batch, so it just uses powdered quartz. It was a long time ago I designed this system...

Don't think I want to dive into this now unless there are clearly bugs 🙂

[iron kettle]

Not really a bug, just something odd

Sorry about this, maybe i'm looking for a needle into a bale of hay (btw someone in th3dungeon or better ruins has done it hiding that king of easter egg.

[unique gull]

Dear Builders,

Bricklayers v3.5.1 has been released to the ModDB.
This release adds tons of fixes for the porcelain oil lamps, deprecates the glazed oil lamps, boosts the polishingset durability, makes the daub bricks craftable and updates the Russian translation. Please enjoy https://mods.vintagestory.at/bricklayers 🧱

[light sedge]

Maybe a faster version of the grindstone, crafted and/or fed corundum / bauxite to operate, could be added, for progression. Milling stones is a huge part of BL, and it gets grueling to make a stack or two of powdered rock.

[unique gull]

is the grinding stone even used for making powdered rock? i'm confused i thought it is only for sharpening?

[light sedge]

just a 1.10x increase, which becomes 1.33x for the next 16 items when its "compartment" has crushed bauxite or crushed corundum would make all the difference

[light sedge]

grindstone as in the item that has been there since the beginning, the one that crushes limestone into lime and stuff

it grinds... cereal into flour, for example.

[unique gull]

You mean a "quern", I mean the "grinding wheel using a grindstone" is a new item in v1.22.

Anyway, anything that requires logic (e.g. "make it faster if bauxite is added") needs code and I cannot do this, anyway.

[light sedge]

Ah yes, the quern. Sorry, English is my second language, and "quern" never really stuck

[unique gull]

Funny, the handbook says "some providing a sharper edge than others" while in game it seems all grindstones produce the same "grinding wheel" machine with not difference at all---

[light sedge]

i guess it remains yet to be added

[unique gull]

somebody posted it in the dev channel and tyron said "redram pls fix" so I guess at least the handbook will be fixed.

[unique gull]

Lot's of finetuning later 🙂 Still have to finish a few things like cups and tea pots, but getting there now.

[unique gull]

OMG! These cups have been added in early 2022 and I don't think I've ever updated their shape. But look what I noticed when I arranged them in the new cabinets 🙈 The handle is not centered 🤦‍♂️

While I was at it, I've also disabled a few hidden faces. Won't make a performance difference unless you stack thousands of them into a tiny room, but heh, it can't hurt. I hope.

[agile wasp]

That's one of those little things where if you didn't point it out, no one would have noticed! 😁

[unique gull]

Not even me, and I made that thing 😂

Should have just declared them modern art, or .. Vintage Artisanal Cups 😂

[agile wasp]

"It's the imperfections which show the handmade nature!" or something

[unique gull]

yep, I have to remember this one. certainly faster to write a quirky explanation than to fix the mistake 😄

[ripe spindle]

"Even the glass dishes with tiny bubbles and imperfections, proof they were crafted by the honest, simple, hard-working indigenous peoples of... wherever." - The Narrator, Fight Club, 1999

[agile wasp]

Palahniuk's writing might legitimately be why such a thought popped into my head, yeah.

[unique gull]

I've just released Bricklayers 3.2.2 (Note: It requires EM² to be upgraded to 3.5.2!)

This one contains the fixes to let you put BL ceramic and porcelain items into cabinets, and allows black/burn copper to be used to make black frit.

Please enjoy! 🧱 🏠

[light sedge]

make bricks throwable as a treat (?

[unique gull]

they are already?

[spice mango]

Randomly bringing ARL and extra info up is insane

[hollow plover]

anyone else have issues where looking at crocks of food causes lagspikes? (asking in here on the off chance that bricklayers is somehow the culprit)

[spiral edge]

What operating system?

[hollow plover]

w10

had this exact same issue when i played back in january too, could never figure out which mod was responsible

[spiral edge]

Odd.

[unique gull]

I can't fathom why BL should always be the culprit for any lagspike or memory problem people have. Esp. when they then post "heh, here are my 165 mods I'm running" 🙃

[unique gull]

please post your modlist, and what version you are on with VS?

[hollow plover]

latest version, and yeah the list is a little big

i'm just grasping at straws trying to figure out which of these mods might be causing it without doing the whole binary search routine

like i could also see xskills being the culprit, but surely people would've complained about it by now?

[frosty cloud]

Those are pretty consistent spikes, if it was BL ppl would noticed more imo

[unique gull]

Not BL.

[hollow plover]

clay vats, storage vessels, and the polishing sets still use raw fat instead of rendered

[gaunt jolt]

Performance ok with this now?

[unique gull]

Ah, yes, I've missed these. Will fix for the next release.

[unique gull]

Performance was never bad. 😄

[gaunt jolt]

Ah, just heard that it had a memory leak or something a while ago.

[unique gull]

People always claim that, but content-only mods can't really have memory leaks - if memory is leaking, it's the game engines fault and I can't even fix such things.
Yes, the mod adds a lot of items and block variants, but it's MUCH less than many other big mods add, and if you run 150..200 mods, it's unlikely that BL is the one straw that breaks the camels back.

[gaunt jolt]

Great 🙂

[toxic flame]

Hey Tels, I've been enjoying bricklayers on 1.22, your work is great as always. Now that it has been updated to the new version successfully, is there a chance we will see crafting grid recipes for raw clay/porcelain tiles so that we don't have to clayform each one by hand? (I am talking about the BL tiles and not the new vanilla ones) Even something very simple like the proposed 9 clay in 1 grid square to craft a tile would be nice, although even the new vanilla tiles in game do not have a cost this harsh; they require 1 clay per tile and 8 tiles per block.

Maybe you could introduce something similar to the tile crafting system from older versions of bricklayers? Such as, say, use 6/12/18 (whatever the cost) clay in the crafting grid to craft a raw clay block, bake this block in the kiln, then saw it into 8 - 16 tiles? Please, something like this; I see that tiles made from raw stone are already processed in this way, is there a reason it cannot be done the same for clay and porcelain? The time to clayform a comparable number of tiles by hand is unbearable and sucks the fun out of the experience 😥 It feels as though many glazed, porcelain, and clay colours are unnecessarily difficult to acquire even though gathering the special resources is already a task on it's own.

Bricklayers is so wonderful to play with and this one feature would make it truly perfect 🙏 Let me know what you think and thank you for listening

[unique gull]

oh, I thought I've added grid recipes - totally must have missed to incluide them 🤦‍♂️ I'll do so in the next release.

[unique gull]

I've added a recipe for using 9 clay to produce 2 tiles which is 4.5 per tile.
That is a bit more expensive than clayforming 1 tile (4 per tile) but cheaper for 4 (21 clay => 5.25) or for 8 (44 => 5.5 per tile) with clayforming.

I've also simplified the clayforming for tiles be removing the "spaces". The idea is that after forming a "block", you cut it with a thread into raw tiles. It's not really more unrealistic then the one with the spacers - the top tiles would sag anyway.

[toxic flame]

Ty so much, it's my dream come true 🙏 😅

[unique gull]

The release will take a week or so, I want to first release the new EM² so I can use the new items in BL, also simplify some recipes with tags instead of repeating them over and over again. Please bear with me.

[toxic flame]

Hey, I understand, it's no hurry

I am just excited to finally have this feature hahah

[glacial magnet]

Are clay vats meant to be able to hold dye? I thought it would count as a liquid but it doesn't seem to

[worldly dawn]

Milk has been waiting literal years for this lmfao 😂

[glacial magnet]

Nooooooo

I was going to use them for my tailor shop

And they would've looked so good :(

[unique gull]

They are supposed to hold any liquid - they are just liquid containers like Jugs or Buckets or Bowls. I'l have a look.

[unique gull]

You need to click with the vat on a barrel with liquid, or on a bucket that is on the ground.

You can also fill bowls directly from them, or empty bowls into them.

[toxic flame]

Yeah if you ctrl + f and check my posts in this mod thread I've patiently asked for around a year LOL

All in good time 🙏

[zealous snow]

Does this mod increase the amount of meals that fit inside of a crock?

[unique gull]

Not for the classic vanilla clay crocks. But it brings it's own porcelain crocks (and endgame item) that have 6 portions instead of only 4. Porcelain bowls also hold 2 portions, and porcelain watercans and vats hold more liquid than the clay versions, too.

[spiral edge]

Are there porcelain cooking pots that cook more servings at once?

[unique gull]

No, I've tried to keep the mod slimmed down, and didn't feel like investigate how modding cooking pots would work.

[spiral edge]

It’s pretty simple, just like crocks, but that’s honestly fair!

[unique gull]

Too many ideas, too little time 😅

I'd also like to experiemnt with texture mapping instead of creating more blockvariants first. That could slim down the mod, possible.

[unique gull]

Hm, I'm thinking, would these cooking pots then also be able to cook "more" if you cook things like sulfuric acid etc.? Then they could be very useful 💡

[spiral edge]

Yes, these values are all tied in together.

[unique gull]

Tracked it https://gitlab.com/codesmiths/vs_bricklayers/-/work_items/759

[unique gull]

I don't think I want to do porcelain cooking pots:

• It seems a lot (all?) of the meal textures are bound to the pot - meaning I would either need to inherit from the claypot or other mods that add meals would need to patch my pots? This is a minefield
• each color adds 4 variants (fired clean, cooked clean, empty dirty, cooked dirty) and so it would add quite a few block variants (7 * 4 = 28 just for plain porcelain) .

Have many more bugs to fix in other mods before I will look into such complicated features.

[spiral edge]

Fair!

[unique gull]

It's optimizing time - I've removed the special vessel planters (saves 20 blocks and a few recipes). You can now use normal empty vessel bases as planters.

Note: BEFORE you update to the new BL 3.3.0 - break all placed vessel planters, and store the flowers and sapling, and then convert all the vessel planters into vessel bases. After the update, the vessel planters will be gone!!

(VS block remapping still sucks... so I can't remap them, sorry!)

[compact plover]

Do bricklayer malachite shingles work with the vsroofing mod? my guess is probably not?

[unique gull]

I don't know, have not used the vsroofing mod yet. If the author of this mod hasn't added compatibility, then no. Also don't know how difficult it actually is to make them work. Sorry.

[compact plover]

oh there is a compatibility patch for it, it looks like so maybe?

[unique gull]

Yeah, looks like the author already did it. Have not tested it tho, please report back if it works.

[compact plover]

will do

[compact plover]

it does AND it looks good on acacia

not that suprised, all it needed was a recolor of the existing tiles he had

[obsidian jay]

got a chrash when clicking bowl lamp in the handbook

hoverig over it is fine and it displays it but when clicked its a cash
System.Exception: Can't create itemstack without item! at Vintagestory.API.Common.ItemStack..ctor(Item item, Int32 stacksize) in VintagestoryApi\Common\Collectible\ItemStack.cs:line 227 at Vintagestory.GameContent.BlockLiquidContainerBase.OnHandbookRecipeRender(ICoreClientAPI capi, IRecipeBase recipe, ItemSlot dummyslot, Double x, Double y, Double z, Double size) in VSSurvivalMod\Systems\Liquid\BlockLiquidContainerBase.cs:line 83

[unique gull]

Is this one of the old lamps made from a bowl, or a new one made from an "clay oillamp"?

[obsidian jay]

the pic looked like the new ones as i was checking the recipie for fat and saw it then when i clicked it in teh book it crashed

[unique gull]

hm, thank you, I'll check it out. The next update will hopefully have more fixes for the oillamps.

[compact plover]

Oh yeah and oil lamps don't come in malachite clay yet iirc

[halcyon lynx]

I've been struggling with a crash that happens on a server I play on seemingly randomly and I can't figure out what the issue is, can anyone help? Reinstalling bricklayers/ExpandedMatter/ExpandedFoods hasn't done anything, and most bricks, vats, and lids are missing textures, which might also be a related issue

[obsidian jay]

it tells you there
System.Exception: Error while rendering item in slot Vintagestory.API.Common.DummySlot (1x Block Id 37782, Code bricklayers:glazedbowl-burnt-clear-go
basicaly the bowl lamps from bricklayers are crashing you so get rid of the bowl lamp from bricklayers and use a base game one till he fixes

[unique gull]

There isn't anything I can fix tho. BL is a content-only mod.
My guess would be that custom renderer can't deal with why objects like my glazed bowl lamps.
And yeah, you can only get rid of them for now.
The next version of Bricklayer's will remove the glazed bowl lamps anyway!

[obsidian jay]

someoen found this issue wtih oil lamps from betterruins dont thnk it helps in this case thou
#1033777504755916831 message

[halcyon lynx]

That's the thing though, there are no glazed bowl lamps anywhere near me whenever I crash, but I have noticed that the crash log does usually state that it's some form of glazed bowl that does it

[unique gull]

That sounds exactly like this issue, and it also sounds like it is caused by VS rendering of legacy oil lamps themselves? (or a mod's renderer freaks out with legacy placement of oil lamps)
@halcyon lynx It could also just happen because some chunk gets retesselated, possible far away.

[halcyon lynx]

After doing some hail mary attempts, I think I might have found the fix? I ended up deleting my cache folder and at the very least the bricklayers items that had missing textures are fixed now, and viewing any glazed bowl page in the handbook no longer crashes me, so I think it might be safe to assume that the random crashes that happen when the game happens to think about a glazed bowl hopefully won't happen anymore

[unique gull]

Wonderful to hear. This is now about the 6th time somebody said "cleared the cache" helped them with VS crashes. I'm thinking the caching of VS is broken... either by VS or by mods doing weird stuff.

[unkempt wave]

The game really was dreaming of glazed bowls and deciding to risk it all huh

[pale wolf]

hi, wanted to craft this block but cannot find a way, any help?

[unique gull]

I'm not sure what the problem exactly is? What do you want to craft "Slate stone tiles" block, or the "rough slate stone tile" items?

Take a block of polished slate stone, cut it into 16 tiles, combine 6 of them with "tile mortar" and you get a "Slate stone tiles" block that looks the same but is cheaper.

[covert gyro]

so three blocks become eight?

[unique gull]

Yep, that is the idea, so you have a chiseable block that looks like polished stone, but is "fake" 😄

[spark rapids]

Alo, how does one make coloured mudbricks

👁

[unique gull]

Put four colored daub into your crafting grid and you get the mud bricks, then you can combine them with clay into blocks.
If that doesn't work, you probably need to upgrade BL to 3.2.1

[spark rapids]

Holy moly, thanks

[celest lintel]

Running into a weird issue with the mugs from this mod
I have a lot of mods installed so it might be related to that, but figured I'd post here in case anyone else had some insight
In my survival world, I made some of the clay mugs from this mod, then drank tea from Make Tea Forked. My hydration bar from Hydrate or Diedrate went up by 2 bars, but only 0.02 liters of the tea in the 0.4 L mug were drank from the glazed mug, or 0.01 liters from an unglazed mug. It has been turning my teapot into enough water to last me for days

[unique gull]

That is strange, but since my mugs are just standard open liquid containers like bowls, I'm failing to see why this should change.
But maybe the hydration mods need something patched in into mugs/cups? I don't use them, so I can't help you with that.

Do the "cups" made from porcelain exhibit the same problem? (You could draw one from the creative menu to test it)

[celest lintel]

Yes, the cups are affected too
I went ahead and removed all mods except for Make Tea, Hydrate or Diedrate, and this one, and also tested with boiled water in addition to the tea
looks like they all drink for 0.02 or 0.01 instead of a more normal amount

I then went ahead and removed all mods except for this one (and its dependents) and tried with alcohol, same situation

It almost seems like there's one too many 0s somewhere shifting it off by a factor of 10

or one less 0 than there should be

Using the latest Bricklayers (3.2.2 ) if that helps at all

[unique gull]

Very helpful, thank you. BL uses:

                        "DrinkPortionSize": 0.2

and it seems this was removed from VS as I no longer can find it?
But then, there is transferSizeLitres and I'm using it. Very strange. I'll investigate and report back!

[celest lintel]

Thank you! Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help

[compact snow]

Hi. We ran into the same issue. Before I found the thread here I looked at the files and guessed that DrinkPortionSize might unintentionally be handled as a factor, meaning that drinking from a 0.4 container consumes only 0.4*0.2=0.08. We set it to 1.0 and it seems to work now. Just in case that helps.
Liquid transfer was never affected as far as I can tell.

[unique gull]

ah, interesting! Probably just taking it should fix it, then, thank you!

[spiral edge]

if (Attributes?["drinkPortionSize"].Exists == true)
{
    drinkPortionSizeFromAttributes = Attributes["drinkPortionSize"].AsInt(1);
}

Never been removed.

Not a factor, either.

But it has to be lower than the total capacity to do anything useful.

Oh wait, I see the issue.

It's being loaded as an int.

It's a simple fix but I don't know if it'll make it into 1.22, unfortunately.

[unique gull]

you mean 1.23? 🙂
I'll just remove it from my mod, I don't think it is actually needed. The cups have the same size as the drinksize, for the mugs it is half, but then, it wouldn't really matter if you drink a mug in one go.

[spiral edge]

It's such a simple fix that putting it into a bugfix patch for 1.22 isn't necessarily an issue, but right now we're working on other stuff so I'm not sure how many more such patches will happen and whether it'll be possible.

It will for sure be in 1.23.

[unique gull]

Take your time, any bugs fixed is a good thing in my book.

[glacial agate]

Found a bit of a dupe with ceramic tiles:
Full block of hardened clay and its' halves both give back 6 tiles on un-craft

[unique gull]

Oops. Will fix. Thank you for the report!

[unique gull]

Dear Builders, I've released Bricklayers v3.3.0 on the ModDB - get your fix here!
https://mods.vintagestory.at/bricklayers#tab-files

This is a rather big update with tons of bugfixes and a few optimizations.

BEFORE YOU UPDATE:

• Make sure you pickup all open clay vessels that are in ground storage (aka placed on the ground) - they might otherwise vanish!
• Make sure you break, pickup and then convert all vessel planters to "open clay vessel bases" - otherwise they might be lost on the update
• After or before the update, you also need to replace all glazed oillamps with VS oillamps - these no longer exist. Sorry!

In addition to removing a few dozend blocks and some redudant patches, this update also:

• Fixes and expands the recycling of VS roofing pieces
• Improves cabinet storage
• Improves frit and glass batch crafting by allowing more pigments and ingredients to be used
• Allow to craft clay and porcelaintiles in the crafting grid (uses more material,tho)
• Improves the output of a few crafting recipes

Please enjoy and tell me what you think.

[vestal basin]

There isn't any known issues with this or Expanded Matter causing hiccups, is there? I updated both today and my performance has been weird.

When traveling I'm getting hiccups and freezes.

Prior to today I never had those issues so I'm trying to dial in on it

[covert gyro]

hiccups and freezes I've also seen while new chunk generating since updating to 1.22.7

[graceful falcon]

I've noticed a distinct slow down in performance after installing EM2 ngl

[unique gull]

This really should be the case. EM² only adds a few items and textues, and it doesn't really change anything in worldgen (except making uranium spawn, but this is a standard thing like for many ores).

We have noticed a lot of slowdowns with 1.22.x already, and 1.22.7 seemed to make it worse, depending on which mods you have. There are reports of memory leaks in VS, but my mods are all content-only mods so they can't really fix this.

There is a mod which might help: https://mods.vintagestory.at/vsvaogc

Otherwise we all have to wait until the VS devs fix their stuff.

[unique gull]

There should be none with EM or BL, it's probably VS itself (and maybe other mods that might make it worse with the newer VS versions).

And since both EM² and BL are content-only mods that don't change chunk-generation, they should not cause it.

[graceful falcon]

that happened on 1.22.6 I believe. I was testing our server mods on singleplayer worlds in order to figure out what caused chunks to ignore TP worldheight change (turns out it was in fact due to the server config and solo world config having different wording for world height, thanks, Tyron) and as soon as I installed EM2 new chunks began to generate noticeably slower.

[unique gull]

The one and only change in EM that has anything to do with chunk generation is this:
https://gitlab.com/codesmiths/vs_expanded_matter/-/blob/main/assets/game/worldgen/deposits/em_uranium.json
AFAIK this is more or less 1:1 copy of what the main game does for many ores. Please don't tell me that Tyron again broke one of my mod features...

Anyway, even if EM² causes chunks to generate slower - there isn't anything I could do about it. EM doesn't even have any blocks, it just has items.
What should I do? Remove items?

[graceful falcon]

would you prefer to not know about a potential issue or what?

no reason to be sarcastic

[clever fossil]

I don't think tels is trying to be rude or sarcastic, they just tend to be rather direct and rambly

[unique gull]

oh that was not meant to be sarcastic towards you, it was directed at the devs. sorry for this.
And yeah, hearing about issues is good, but still, I can't actually fix them. (And I'm not even convinced they are caused by my mods, unless somebody proves that the vanilla game is fine, but vanilla + EM + BL is not)

[graceful falcon]

funny enough, we don't even have BL on the server

just EM2

[unique gull]

yes, that is a good description of me 🙊 🙈

[unique gull]

I've mentioned BL because it does contain blocks. I'm not entirely sure if having a mod with blocks/block entites can cause slower chunk generation, but at least it has the potential, EM² just has items.

I could imagine tho, the slower generation is maybe because of more memory pressue? It's all guess work, tho.

[vestal basin]

Yeah I didn’t think EM should be causing it, but I played a little bit with the last VS update and didn’t have this problem. It could be the core game causing it and it just didn’t start happening for me until now though

[narrow pivot]

Any plans for malachite clay molds?

[unique gull]

No, not really. Colored tool and anvil molds are no longer part of Bricklayer's, so if you'd be able to make them out of malachite clay, then I'd somehow re-add them, and they'd all fire to "dark brown generic" ones anyway. I don't think it will be good to add dozends of items and textures and recipes just for this - red clay etc. is quite abundant.

[narrow pivot]

Ah

[acoustic mantle]

So if I'm getting these errors on startup with Bricklayers... it's some kind of incompatibility with one of the mods I have installed.

But I don't have material needs, or any mods that add extra blocks like that So I'm not certain which ones to look at here, do you have any ideas?

On a blank install there are in fact no errors, but on this mod list, it's specifically after I install bricklayers that I start getting them

Edit: It's not Watersheds, or Terrain Slabs or Terra Prety

[unique gull]

Do you have the latest Bricklayers? The older ones patched in mudbrick-slabs, but the newer ones do not and have in fact nothing to do with vanilla mudbricks (and their slabs) at all. So I don't see how BL could errors like this, unless an other mod somehow detects BL and then does something funky?

Try clearing your VS mod cache (the one under "cache/unpack").

[acoustic mantle]

Yeah I'm going to assume it's another mod doing it in the name of compatibility
I have cleared the cache and I'm on the newest version of BL

I'm assuming if it's a compatibility layer of a different mod, that if I go into patches/compatibility in their zip files and look for something referencing Bricklayers I might be able to find it that way?

[unique gull]

If you find out which mod that is, pls report back here, I've got at least one other report like this.

[unique gull]

Probably. I'm not entirely sure how other mods handle such things, some of them might even do some patching with code or so. But it's a good start.

[acoustic mantle]

I'll see if I can find it in any of my mods zip files and then go from there lol

This is the problem in game, I'm assuming, but it doesn't tell me what mod is messing with it too much so 😭 I wonder if there's a debug mode I can go into that would give me more clues at all

I am on Linux, running CachyOS, though I'm not sure if that would have any impact at all

[unique gull]

If you search for "mudbrick" in the handbook, what does it tell you?
And would you be able to share your mod list here?

[unique gull]

I'm developing and using BL under Linux, so this should not be the problem.

[unique gull]

What does your log say, what version of BL is it loading? Did you update EM ² too?

[acoustic mantle]

Sorry I was having lunch real quick but I think I found it!!

I think it was Handbook Declutterer

Yesss that's what it was, I've confirmed it now 🙂 Its working proper again!!

[unique gull]

Good find. This mod has some broken patches that are simply wrong now:

assets/handbookdeclutterer/compatibility/bricklayers/patches/survival-blocktypes-soil-mudbrickslab.json                                                                                             959/959               100%
[
  {
    "op": "addmerge",
    "path": "/attributes",
    "value": {
        "canChisel": true,
        "chiselShapeFromCollisionBox": true,
        "chiselShapeFromCollisionBox": false
    },
    "file": "game:blocktypes/soil/mudbrickslab.json",
    "side": "Server"
  },
  {
    "op": "add",
    "path": "/textures/inside-down",
    "value": { "base": "game:block/soil/mudbrickslabs/top" },
    "file": "game:blocktypes/soil/mudbrickslab.json",
    "side": "Server"
  },
  {
    "op": "add",
    "path": "/texturesByType",
    "value": {
            "mudbrickslab-light-*": {
                "horizontals": { "base": "bricklayers:block/soil/mudbrickslabs/side-light" },
                "up": { "base": "bricklayers:block/soil/mudbrickslabs/top-light" }
            }
    },
    "file": "game:blocktypes/soil/mudbrickslab.json",
    "side": "Server"
  },
  {
    "op": "add",
    "path": "/variantgroups/0/states/-",
    "value": "light",
    "file": "game:blocktypes/soil/mudbrickslab.json",
    "side": "Server"
  }
]

I think the whole patch should be removed from that mod - it just breaks things and serves no purpose.