💬│lore-discussion

[obsidian dagger]

What evidence is there for that?

[obsidian dagger]

If we assume what Legends are saying is true, you could base your enclosure around the host dimension inside the Well of Fate. That being a prismarine relatievely-open watery area with decorated walls and arches

[strong grove]

What's the lore?

[obsidian dagger]

||Piglins got the Orb of Dominance from endermen, did a big war on the Overworld, the Nameless kingdom (kingdom comprised of necromancers) pushed them back alongside illagers who were brave unlike villagers, which then ideologically split them apart, and then the Nameless kingdom took over the world during so called "ages of darkness", then it was defeated and the Nameless one (the king) had to operate from the shadows of the desert temple but the undead under his control still linger and are a nuisance. Then one of the illagers, Archie, is kicked out of the Mansion, so he wonders the land and after some time at a village has to go further and finds the orb of dominance, which was retreated from the piglins and after some time put into timeout in a large cave. He uses the orb to make a giant castle out of ruins if its previous version, unites all illager clans into one, makes huge redstone golems and an alliance with the Nameless one, and tries to take over the world. He's defeated and it is revealed that the orb was secretly a demigod known as Heart of Ender. After the defeat, the orb shatters and the shards are scattered across the Overworld in ancient locations from various forgotten villager societies and have to be destroyed. After all are slain, the last remaining shard is taken by endermen to the End, where we fight through monster to chase after it. We catch it as it transforms into the Vengeful Heart of Ender, which we have to 1v1 to the end. Obviously we solo no diff, and all evil is thus destroyed or stunned for long enough to not be a problem. And all was well, until it wasn't since we're getting a sequel to Minecraft Dungeons this year.||

[nova atlas]

Allays are aliens from the moon and when exposed to a totem of undying and the overworlds atmosphere they become deranged lunatics because of hormones. Nice head canon right?

[nova atlas]

Is it weird that I prefer the fanmade theories and timelines more

[obsidian dagger]

Bro what 😭

[obsidian dagger]

Depends on fanmade timeline ig

[nova atlas]

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[stable fog]

Could vexes be dead always reborn into evil

[obsidian dagger]

Maybe? or they are just corrupted... or maybe they are not even altered and are simply recreated by the evokers. A sort of model

[muted mulch]

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[obsidian dagger]

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[obsidian dagger]

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[muted mulch]

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[static karma]

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[stable fog]

Hi

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[umbral socket]

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[velvet stone]

Are Villagers and Illagers the same Species?

[upbeat night]

Kinda ye

[velvet stone]

Maybe just a seperated Species like Humans does evolve from Africa 300,000 years ago from a Homo Erectus, maybe the Illagers came from Villagers and the reason they attack villagers is cause of villagers being xeno to Illagers ig

Players are also related to villagers cause their appearance looks like humans

Players are also humans but they have a... Superhuman abilities to weigh a neutron star ig

[solemn musk]

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[obsidian dagger]

Maybe very early in evolution, but it's clear they're not that related anymore

[obsidian dagger]

not canon btw

[pliant zephyr]

I think illagers are “ill” or like, insane villagers

[obsidian dagger]

They are just a separate race

[pliant zephyr]

I feel like they were once villagers

[frail reef]

Yeah, illagers are just villagers that adapted to the environment of the ancient cities

Also illagers are technically the smartest mob when it comes to their society and their creations

[umbral socket]

I don't know... Killing dragon or not... In one way, I could "free the end", but in second way, there clues for it, that drsgon is innocent...

does everyone here?

[woven onyx]

bro where did the ghasts even come from

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[woven onyx]

they look like a floating marshmallow

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah but that claim is not supported

[obsidian dagger]

Nameless one?

[pliant zephyr]

I think they originated from the overworld

[woven onyx]

but the question is how

and where

[fiery kite]

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[west crag]

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[frail reef]

He's a person though, not a group of people

[visual tangle]

Yea, they have outposts, mansions, and even visited ancient cities

[obsidian dagger]

I don't think he invented all of his stuff by his own

[visual tangle]

Who ?

[obsidian dagger]

The Nameless one

[visual tangle]

Oh ok and who is that ? Srry im new in this channel

[frail reef]

They most likely built them too and the ancient city illagers most likely wrote tons of books either about the true events of minecraft legends or a recipe of some kind which would explain why they have gigantic libraries inside both the mansions and the strongholds

[visual tangle]

Ok

[frail reef]

I mean they probably stole some piglin schematics so that could've also helped out

[obsidian dagger]

Nah

[frail reef]

Wym?

[obsidian dagger]

That is simply not true

[frail reef]

How?

[visual tangle]

Which is better for lore : dungeons or legends ?

[frail reef]

Dungeons 100%

[visual tangle]

Ok and what is in there ?

[frail reef]

Everything lore related ig?

[visual tangle]

Ok and how many does it cost ?

[frail reef]

Im pretty sure it's 30 (whatever your currency is)

[obsidian dagger]

You're telling me waterwheels, spawners, redstone buttons, minecarts and rails, spawners and ambush pillars were created by the crude, aggressive piglins rather than the nation with brain power, resources and time to afford such things?

[visual tangle]

Ok fr me it’s in euros

[honest gale]

do you think the ancient city portal is going to open?

[frail reef]

Redstone buttons are probably just reused assets but stuff like the water wheels rails and minecarts were most definitely built by them since they were going through an industrial revolution at the time

[visual tangle]

Probably in dugeons 2

[frail reef]

I'd say so

[visual tangle]

An end update could add so much lore...

[obsidian dagger]

Nuh uh, they made brand new buttons just for the nether dlc.

Industrial revolution that they didn't understand? And all the redstone required for their machines to work.

[frail reef]

Not too sure of that.

"Piglin builder" yeah I think they understood that kind of tech

[obsidian dagger]

Like in the soul sand valley.

Why are their buildings so bad then? And address the redstone in the room

[frail reef]

Oh, then that could always just be the nameless kingdom or illagers.

What buildings are you talking abt? Because the ones in the housing bastion don't look deformed, neither does the ones from the treasure bastion, the stable bastions or the bridge bastions

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, Nameless kingdom that gave them the redstone buttons in the bastion.

They are made from random blocks. They can't forge straight bars, their builds have random rods. The bastion remnants have random irregular cave like halls in them. And ransom basalt additions. The giant piglin face is slapped onto the building and looks half molten. And again, how do you explain their redstone.

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[frail reef]

I don't think the nameless kingdom were the people to dabble in that kind of tech

Ruins gugo, ruins also the giant piglin face fits in and I don't really see any signs of heroes being there or anything else and we don't find redstone in the regular remnants so those could've always been recent additions by the nameless kingdom or the illagers

[visual tangle]

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[frail reef]

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[obsidian dagger]

In redstone? They were.

Skull emblems on "piglin" structures, the pre legends hero structures from soul sand valley. We find iron lanterns tho. And redstone lamps used frequently by the piglins. Nameless kingdom didn't fully overtake all the bastion remnants.
Also, your ruins argument doesn't work for legends where the bases suffer from the same issues. And again, they needed redstone to have the machines of legends back then.

[frail reef]

Im not sure using pressure plates counts as being mumbo jumbo.

Structures that aren't connected to the bastions, redstone lamps could've been recent additions like the redstone button, iron could've been abundant in the nether but was mined out, I'm not sure theres any proof of them overtaking bastions at all, the same game that isn't all that canon? Or they need a perpetual fuel source like a certain liquid found across the nether

[obsidian dagger]

It literally has a glowing redstone in it.

Alleged piglin structures with skulls. Bastions are also allegedly piglin... yet have skulls beacons and spawners.
Where is your proof for the iron thing?
Ah, you not understanding fuel again, even tho I already explained it to you.

[frail reef]

I'm not talking about the redstone button.

The spawners most of the time spawn nameless forces not piglins so the spawners are from NK and the beacons could also just be from NK.

we don't see any sign of any bastion being there, it looks more like a mining rig than anything.

Piglins give you iron nuggets, you find iron blocks inside chests while with gold you also find it inside chests and as nuggets. Gold would've been used as a currency while iron would've been used as a material and since the piglins expanded alot, it would go out faster than gold which is why we get gold nuggets from the ore.

Right but what about those water wheels? Why would they be there if lava doesn't work as power?

[obsidian dagger]

Yes, they belong to NK, but the NK didn't overtake them. It destroyed them. Only those that survived and weren't occupied by piglins so heavily were reclaimed.

Bastion like structures.

Barely any proof. Iron was brought from the Overworld.

They are slow and require lavafall. Not portable and fast, like... literally every single piglin mechanism with fast moving rotors.

[frail reef]

Or they just placed them there?

But not bastions.

Or they're spoils of war.

They're more clunky though, like the tech we see in legends

[obsidian dagger]

So NK destroyed a structure and then placed random tech in there for no reason?

Yes bastions. But if you don't wanna see them as bastions, ofc you won't find any bastions.

They were brought to the nether by the people who placed the iron lanterns in the bastions. And that would be the NK.

Well they waterwheels are made in the same bad design, or rather, have been repaired that way. But when I was talking about fast mobile rotors, I meant legends stuff too. Drills for mining netherite, fans, canons, all that needed a fast mobile rotor. Redstone can do that. Random flow of lava can't, especially in the Overworld where it flows slower.

[frail reef]

The nethers covered in war so who knows how that random tech got there.

Because they aren't bastions, its as simple as that.

Doesn't really make sense though so it couldn't be NK

Or they were made that way and the drills and fans don't really need that to work and we also don't really know how the drills moved so maybe they were slow, maybe they weren't, theres no telling how they functioned but the bomb shooters (forgot their name) are fairly clunky and they also aren't the prettiest thing ever which you think if it did use redstone it would have that also lava in the nether flows alot quicker and the treasure bastions during the piglin war probably had a platform where piglins would fight but the platforms could go up and down which explains why theres large pipes filled with lava and why the center structure has all those entrances for lava to enter at

[obsidian dagger]

On what way does NK building bastions not make sense

I like how you admit that their builds look ass here. The platform thing is completely made up tho

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[frail reef]

they had no access to the nether and they had no knowledge of portals, theres the fact that bastions were built to fit the piglins proportions, not the heroes, the bridge bastions have a literal piglin face engraved onto it (and no, the piglin face wasnt "slapped on there" that makes no sense brohemian)

their tech, not their builds and that platform theory could be made up but context clues exist and theres alot of them, the literal scaffolding to hold some mechanism like that up, the pipes going up the treasure bastion which wouldnt make much sense being there and this one part that looks like some gear mechanism was there at some point also that large lava pool outside the treasure bastion, im not sure some very obviously idiotic piglin that doesnt know anything at all wouldnt be cooking some hoglin meat in that pool and piglins dont use striders either so its not a bath for them, nor is it a lava bath where the unbreakable and the other generals can lay in a tub talking about the current political and economic state of HOTB

[woven onyx]

I love how Minecraft is a Christian game

[forest skiff]

Yeah its so christian that i can blow up a church 🥳

[woven onyx]

you blow up village churches?

[forest skiff]

Yes

And others :DDDDD

[woven onyx]

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[nova atlas]

Wait how is it christian

[mighty blaze]

Hallo gus

[woven onyx]

I exactly don't know but when it was created there was some sort of a big face

And it would open it's eyes

And there were churches and others