runescape

[simple grail]

because it overrides its own animation

[sly tartan]

o boi it has the ancient death chest

[simple grail]

when it does a special

[sly tartan]

where you loose all your shit if you die twice

[simple grail]

yeah lmao

[sly tartan]

and you need to wear the boots

[simple grail]

and the ground kills u if u dont use boots of stone

[sly tartan]

yea

watching a video

its only an animation right

not a sound like hunleff

the video guide is muted

[simple grail]

think so but idk

i never noticed an audio queue

[regal apex]

whenever hydtra throws its heads up it changed attack

its every 3

if the last attack at red phase was range and it went to final enraged phase, it will be mage

and same pposite

quite easy

[sly tartan]

I just had the biggest rollercoaster of emotions

I was so happy to get my 9k league points to log out forever, only for the reward shop to tell me its not open yet

can you guys help me solve a mystery?

why is curry (+19 hp) like half the price of a shark, when its like ass to make and there is no content that drops tons of them?

clankers? or isit some sort of hidden jutsu for cooking xp? even though cooking anything is profit from what I understand

[analog sequoia]

curry isnt used a lot outside of when you need invy spaces left (chaos elemental/fanatic/blackjacking) and even then people usually use summer pies

bass is a bit over half the price of a lobster

well lobster also gets used by f2players

so that one is understandable

[sly tartan]

I understand that, I'm more interested in how a ton ended up on the GE; my main friend uses them as his "cheap food" since its half the price of the shark

the item has to come from somewhere to be on the GE, and apparently there is no shortage of curry

my guess is clankers, but I feel like even they wouldn't sit there cooking curry

[leaden jolt]

It has a daily volume of under 13k. It really isn't traded much

[sly tartan]

oh

so its prolly a little bit from every main

[analog sequoia]

ive never really used it outside of blackjacking

in other situations i just use monkfish as cheap food and pies as "chaos elemental food"

[sly tartan]

I'm an iron so

I eat bwans

[analog sequoia]

or pizza doesnt really matter

makes sense

what do irons even eat except bwans and stuff they get from mobs

or do they live on a diet of brews

that they smuggled from tob

[leaden jolt]

Mostly bwans

[sly tartan]

I try to keep about 1k sharks in the bank

for the odd content where I'd really want the extra bit of healing

but outside of that bwans

[analog star]

Daily trade volume of Gourmet implings is ~100k jars. That's most of the curry supply right there.

[leaden jolt]

So once again, bots are the supply

[sly tartan]

bots do gourmet implings?

[simple grail]

The only hard food i ever use is bwabs pretty much

It incurs a 2-tick delay instead of 3, so it's just better

It's like sometimes anglers for challenge content

And brews obviously

[analog star]

I guess rich mains buy them for easy clues? Jars are 3k each.

[sly tartan]

yea I just checked, 1/25 easy clues

[simple grail]

Yeah for master clues

[sly tartan]

that answers the curry supply question

thanks

[simple grail]

Trade in 1 of each tier for a master

[analog sequoia]

do you buy them raw for cooking xp or do you buy them cooked

[simple grail]

Fish them with fishing barrel

Buying bwans is something only Cooper does

And it would be raw if you do

[sly tartan]

fish barrel bwans are like a 3 minute afk

the fishing spot never moves, and like 4 tiles from a fairy ring

[simple grail]

There's no good way to bank cooked bwans

[analog sequoia]

oh i thought that was a common thing

[simple grail]

But banking raw bwans is easy

[sly tartan]

also like 40k fishing xp/hr

[analog star]

55k bwans left from 99 cooking on iron. My main hard food.

[sly tartan]

people do it for super afk 99 fishing

[simple grail]

Yeah exactly

It's good xp and super afk

I only fish that and anglers

[leaden jolt]

It's mediocre xp and super afk

[sly tartan]

40k isnt bad, esp considering on mains its a bit of gp

or on irons its food for the rest of your life

[simple grail]

Eh it's pretty good compared to anything that isn't 3ticking

[leaden jolt]

Solo tempoross is 87k/hr

[simple grail]

That's like saying teaks is bad xp because 1.5t teaks is 3x more

[analog star]

I did a mix of tempo, karams, infernal eels and fish barrel barb at cox for 99.

[simple grail]

It's good xp with how afk it is

[analog sequoia]

thats like comparing 1.5 teaks to blisterwood, youre comparing active methods with a method with lots of afk time

[simple grail]

Like I would call shooting stars good xp because it's afk

If it's super intense then it's trash

Like sepulchre is bad xp because it's so intense

Even though its better xp/h than anything it's like 30x the effort

I think bwans is the best afk method right?

I don't know of any other

[leaden jolt]

Barb fishing at cox bank

[simple grail]

Well the spot moves right?

[leaden jolt]

Barely

[simple grail]

Huh I never tried it maybe it's nice

I already have 99 cooking

[analog star]

It's decent xp per hour, semi afk and 1 click to bank chest with gpu plugin. I really liked it.

[simple grail]

I looked at barblore and wanted to never play the game again

It's like 3x worse than 1.5t teaks which I did

[leaden jolt]

You can do barb fishing without doing barblore though

[sly tartan]

I need to do more tempoross, I'd love to collect all the elemental books

[simple grail]

Yeah I know just something I thought of because we talked about it

[sly tartan]

also do you guys feel like moons shoulve've had a pet

[simple grail]

No

Mod Rice has an excellent reason why, if it had a pet it would crash the prices of all the items

It's the same reason it has long attacks that let you not attack

So that the giga pvmers don't do it

[sly tartan]

mainscape problems

[simple grail]

Which is a majority of players they have to design for

[sly tartan]

I mean why have pets at all, idk

[simple grail]

Look at shellbane gryphon

[sly tartan]

sure more mains would actually do it, but idk how much worse it would be

[simple grail]

The weapon is actually good and pretty rare, but costs 3 GP because of pet hunters

[sly tartan]

arnt his items kinda ass

[simple grail]

No tbe weapon is great

[sly tartan]

is it good? its a 5 tick stab zombie axe

and isnt stab only used for toa until you get the better keris?

not exactly something used in a bunch of content

[simple grail]

Yeah it's good for stab content

Perilous moons, toa

[analog sequoia]

its decent at moons

[sly tartan]

I never used a stab weapon vs. eclipse

just foundry sword and he died during clones

[analog sequoia]

yea its not that important, you deal so much damage during clones anyway

[simple grail]

Yeah well noe u would deal real damage outside of clones

[sly tartan]

yea I just swung a bit with the foundry sword, or waited for the phase

[analog sequoia]

but still faster to use a stab weapon when not at clones

[simple grail]

Also how people use zombie axe for Slayer, you can use this weapon as well

You don't need a zombie axe until you fight slash Bosses

[analog sequoia]

yea, use folly unless you really need slash or crush and have a low budget

[leaden jolt]

Zombie axe good for 2/3 voidwaker bosses

[analog sequoia]

which is why i said unless you need slash or crush

[sly tartan]

thats going to be an interesting grind

might finally get a dragon pickaxe when it might not even matter

lmao the volcanic abbysal whip's value is 125,001

I wonder if they fat fingered the 1, or its intentional

wait the base whip is also 125,001

I just realized I have all the stats for elite kandarin (with easy boosts)

but I'd have to grind rank 5 in all BA roles

[carmine flax]

BA is fun! And if you struggle wirh randoms join wildy agility fc discord, there is a bunch of people which run BA on regular basis.

[simple grail]

yee not the best of times

it can be fun though depends on what kinda player u are

i liked defender role

whereas attacker sucked

[zinc dagger]

Glad I paid for it and got it out the way 😂 dread to think what it costs now

[simple grail]

paid for it? guh

[hidden karma]

It’s a few hours of socializing at most

Plus you can leave on people on wave 10 and make them become the joker

[zinc dagger]

Think i paid like 140m to leech and that was just barrows dupes I dropped over haha

Mostly just didn't wanna learn defender back then

[hidden karma]

It’s the easiest/fastest role I think

You travel to 8 tiles

[simple grail]

it's so easy

learn defender = mark some tiles

[zinc dagger]

Didn't have to learn a thing and I just afked for a couple hours

[hidden karma]

Spent 10 bonds on it

Idk

I don’t make 10 bonds in a couple
Hours but I got my stuff done in a few hours anyways

[zinc dagger]

Barrows dupes on the iron doing nothing for me & I wanted diary cape

[ripe timber]

how’d you get 140m from barrows dupes tho

aren’t they average like 200k a piece or smth

[zinc dagger]

This was a long time ago

[hidden karma]

[zinc dagger]

Deironed like 6y ago so this was probably 7-8 years ago when barrows was worth something

[fallow pecan]

Some pieces of barrows still hold value to be fair

[hidden karma]

wow

[analog sequoia]

mainly karils but mory only helps a bit with the value too

[fallow pecan]

That's the definition of 'some pieces' yes

[hidden karma]

im going to break you up into pieces

of hot dogs

[simple grail]

Damn that's crazy

How is it always the same four pictures

[zinc dagger]

Bro no way

[stray rapids]

BRO!!!

[lean panther]

they've upgraded to screenshots instead of camera photos of a computer screen

[exotic knot]

i think its still photos but compressed so much you cant tell lol

[hidden karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334801290645209099/1504136696395075695/togif.gif

[simple grail]

xD

[exotic knot]

brother you have no idea how close to a ban you just got

[hidden karma]

:}

unmoons default MES on me is ban

[zinc dagger]

Unmoon's got that itchy trigger finger

[exotic knot]

yeah i got tired of kicking and deleting messages

[lean panther]

next mr beast video: I saved 100 people from MrBeast crypto scams to win $250,000!

[hidden karma]

I saved 100 plugins from AI review to keep Pine Employed!

[lean panther]

let the slop seep through my fingers

[zinc dagger]

Someone worked really hard typing the prompt for that plugin, kinda unfair to stop it being published smh

[fallow pecan]

Authors should be required to include their prompts in their plugin repos, it's not called open source for nothing

[lean panther]

make me a plugin, make no mistakes

[stray rapids]

poof! you're a plugin

[hidden karma]

mods, make shaggy mortal again

[stray rapids]

I am become one with the hot dog

[hidden karma]

straight to the breaking wheel

[sly tartan]

when I got my torso I got cooper and another friend on discord, and we banged it out in 2-3 hours

and had fun

google says all 5 roles can be done in 1 sitting if you have a good group of friends

so hopefully I can convince some bois to play

[sly tartan]

defender was my least favorite one, since it felt like the bottle neck slowing down rounds even if you had the tiles and did the meta to drop the items correctly

dropping items on a tile just isnt exactly fun

lets goo!! didnt sail a minute past 30, and got the required level for the new quest

https://i.imgur.com/yNUJpEY.png

thank you tears of guthix

Did anybody do the new quest?

do ya'll have faith in me doing it with no guides/quest helper?

[leaden jolt]

Its like 10 minutes. There's no puzzle to it

[sly tartan]

oh

is the dialog funny?

[leaden jolt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1tiiufi/the_red_reef_incredibly_disappointing/

[sly tartan]

I like funny quests like scrambled

the release sailing quests where funny

with the mayor and all that

good to see where my 15$/mo is going

[next swallow]

worst quest ever

[sly tartan]

Resolved various graphical issues in the Gauntlet and Corrupted Gauntlet: corrected floor clipping, the Oven model, Hunllef visual effects (including Corrupted and Echo variants), and fishing pools.

I wonder if this has anything to do with cg tornados being blue now

[sly tartan]

Fox's tornados are also weirdge

I dont mind them, just funny they changed

[wanton ermine]

Can anyone help me with soa

[lucid tide]

is there a way to view hiscores front page that is more user friendly or fast than normal hiscores page

[hidden karma]

nothing will be faster than jagex' hiscores

[lucid tide]

is this the fastest menu known to man

[hidden karma]

No but they’re the hiscores

They own the hiscores. It’s their data

How can some one be faster

[sick pelican]

hashmaps

duh

[next swallow]

is that like weedmaps

[sick pelican]

see

[solar breach]

few days late, but the current plank sack plugin doesn't use guesswork now since the sailing update added varbits

[sick pelican]

its that easy

[sly tartan]

oh didnt know sailin added varbits

what about the new containers

[solar breach]

couldn't tell you on anything else 🤷‍♂️

[lucid tide]

by having a better menu

for instance if i want to know someones stats I right click look-up

i dont open hiscores website and type their rsn

[hidden karma]

The side panel hiscore on runelite

That’s the data from jagex

It’s as fast as it can be

[lucid tide]

yeah but i cant use that to look at front page

[hidden karma]

So then you have to use jagex’s site

[lucid tide]

wiseoldman and temple have nice features but not the direct hiscores plain

if they did i would find that quicker to use

[sly tartan]

15$ a month put to good use

I'm doing the new quest with a friend, and we're using one boat

only the person driving the boat can see the pirate,s the other players on the boat just start taking damage out of nowhere, and dont see the pirates

[sly tartan]

yea you can reproduce the bug with the new quest

both players need to be on the same step, to go kill the 2 pirate ships at Last Light

when you get to the instance where you fight the 2 pirate ships, the pirate ships and npcs will be invisible to the captian of the ship; but visible to the passenger

the passanger is able to just kill the 2 pirate ships while the captain repairs the boat even though he cant see the ship

the captian will still take a ton of damage from invisible npcs

its kind of funny that they potentially didnt playtest doing the new quest with 2 people

I just did the quest with my friend, and the first idea we had is to do it together on his boat

(we already did a jagex bug report, just sharing for ya'll)

[sly tartan]

how much does 99 mage cost from lets say 91 if you shopscape // scar mine for blood runes (ironman ofc)

[zinc dagger]

What a vague question, doubt anyone will have a proper answer

[leaden jolt]

Idk, 99 mage and never scarred a rune

[sick pelican]

How traumatizing do u have to be to the rune to scar it 🙁

[sly tartan]

idk thought some irons would dump gp

to burst monkeys

[leaden jolt]

No, mage happens passively once barrage is unlocked

[sly tartan]

I'm at 91 90, no barrage

but isnt barrage rich man shit

[leaden jolt]

I've got 95k blood runes, what else are they for

[sly tartan]

from rc?

[leaden jolt]

Yea

[sly tartan]

ima try afk bloods sometime again now that I can use the shortcuts

[simple grail]

barrage is more like "not poor" shit

when you start doing slayer and u got the level to use it, you probably have enough money

slayer does make a ton of money if you pick up all the alchs

explorer rings 4 is great for slayer because you're not on standard spellbook

surely you have a ton from CG no?

I used extract on wrath runes and some soul runecrafting

because 2k tormented demon kills :)

[ripe timber]

i thought slayer was like negative money or at best break even

[ripe timber]

https://x.com/Rendi_Mento/status/2057373441200734591

Rendi 🜚 (@Rendi_Mento)

Followed the new guidelines I was told word4word regarding what is allowed (deemed bug) for slayer & found an even better method; then they changed partner slayer again this morning.

Fair tbh, I was getting way more xp.

Breaking the training now to edit some unrelated vids.

X · May 21, 2026, 8:10 AM

LMAO

[analog sequoia]

it is for bursting/barraging/chinning tasks usually

same for black demon and if that task exists lesser (greater is good because of tormenteds)

[simple grail]

slayer is giga money lmao

something like nechryals drop 3.3k HA, so a 200 task is 660k money

660k cash for 1 task is good

you might feel it isn't good money because you're just not picking up the loot

and then alchemical hydra is like gazillions of moneys

[simple grail]

assuming you kill them with emberlight because you should do that

[hidden karma]

So many onyx bolt e

[simple grail]

araxytes are also bonkers money

so yeah early slayer monster suck sadly

slayer as a skill is terrible at the lower / mid levels

[zinc dagger]

Need them boots to start climbing cos i'm pulling like 2/task recently

[hidden karma]

Slayer is still the worse skill in the game

But it does make money

[zinc dagger]

I'd go to 400m if the game let me

[hidden karma]

It’s just not content

Not that fire making is either

[zinc dagger]

Eh, osrs is side monitor stuff for me anyway

[sly tartan]

I've had a few friends check, cg hunleff tornados are now blue

where they always that color, since there was a zbuffer fix yesterday

or are they extra griefed?

tbh I kinda like the new red/blue nados

[leaden jolt]

It changed on Wednesday

[sly tartan]

that was yesterday

changelog mentioned zbuffer stuff, not color stuff

so I wonder if they broke it, or thats how it should be? idk

[sly tartan]

where on the wiki did you get the pics from?

before posting here wedsnday I went on the official newspost + https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Corrupted_Hunllef#Attacks and the changelog on the wiki doesnt mention it yet

[sly tartan]

quick question: are there any account benefits to high hunter on an iron; or is it just something you do just to max and never again?

[next swallow]

barehanding high level imps in the world

[sly tartan]

did anybody ever get anything good from one

or is it the odd "kool 20k" type thing

[next swallow]

dragon imps are pretty nice. dragon darts, dragon arrows, dragon bones

[sly tartan]

that is pretty nice

ty

[sly tartan]

I'm a bit confused about how the CA task point system works for getting rewards

my understanding was easy/medium/hard/etc where fixed values like "get x points", and grandmaster was ofcourse "get them all"

but Fox is telling me that its like based on the total number of tasks, and if they add new CAs; I'll need more tasks to unlock medium for example

[exotic knot]

[[combat achievements]]

[steel thorn]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Combat_Achievements

[leaden jolt]

When they add more tasks there's more points so the total goes up

[exotic knot]

does the points required for reward go up tho

[leaden jolt]

Yes

Because the threshold for medium is always SUM(Easy) + SUM (Medium)

[exotic knot]

i think wiki doesnt say that so i understand the confusion

[leaden jolt]

This kinda explains it but maybe not clearly. If they add 1 new easy CA the threshold for all tiers goes up by 1 point. So if you're exactly at a threshold you'll fall below it

(You can use this knowledge to scam nighmare zone points)

[exotic knot]

yeah its not explicitly stated so.. bleh

[sly tartan]

yea fox sent me this, but I swore I seen like 5 year old videos what had the same easy requirement or something

or I'm bugging

[leaden jolt]

They changed how it worked from CA release

[sly tartan]

they shrunk the icons by 7 pixels!

[leaden jolt]

You used to have to do ALL easy tasks to claim easy CAs. Then you had to do ALL medium tasks to claim medium rewards. They changed it to a points based system

[sly tartan]

thank god

lets say I did a grandmaster task on the old system

and was still doing medium

did it like unlock the task atleast

or would I have to re-do it

[leaden jolt]

It unlocked the task but it was pointless until you were actually trying to claim GM rewards

[sly tartan]

got it

well thanks bois

[leaden jolt]

But you couldn't even attempt to do a lot of GWD tasks until you had done all the hard CAs

[sly tartan]

where the rewards that big of a thing

or where they like basically mandatory

[sly tartan]

I know there are some nice GWD rewards

wait its actual access

not reduced cost

[sly tartan]

wow yea its access

I saw other CA rewards that are reduced cost of certain instances, so I assumed GWD was the same

since in rs3 you didnt have to do anything outside of pay for an GWD instance when they came out

atleast when they added instances

guess ima have to get hard done sometime, I'm on medium

[analog star]

I unlocked hard recently by doing grotesque guardians. So many easy points. Did all but the fastest speed tasks.

You can also leech a ton of points from raids but you need the power of friendship.

[next swallow]

speed task aint too bad, I got them with nox hally and chally spec

[sly tartan]

ima have to pedal some agility before I fight those guys

knowing me, ima looose all my shit on the way to the death chest

jagex needs to make death chests go to death when you die twice

vs. items go poof

[analog star]

I was just using bowfa and whip/torso/obby legs. Far from nox hally still.

[sly tartan]

do you guys have a runeprofile?

one of the coolest plugins we've gotten in a while

https://runeprofile.com/maratx

reminds me of the old ass official profiles jagex had, where it had a little history thing that showed when you got a rare drop or completed a quest

it didnt last long

[next swallow]

My iron’s profile is flexing lol

Really hard to get a rear shot for the cape, had to hit the button mid-animation of the spin emote

[zinc dagger]

Only missing GGs speed time by chance, sad cos I got a 1:20 without trying but cant get close again since

[simple grail]

Still exists

[hidden karma]

im not sharing my data with a 3rd party like that

i only trust wise old man tbh

[simple grail]

It's called the adventure log in RS3

[simple grail]

Isn't it just IP address and the RS stuff

[hidden karma]

my clog is my data

i dont want to share that with any1 but wom

templeosrs's owner is a crook imo

and i dont know who owns runeprofile

[marble fox]

does anyone know if theres a version of HDOS that runs on runelite, i swear I saw people using it with runelite plugins a month or 2 ago

[next swallow]

they're two seperate clients

maybe you mean the 117 hd plugin?

[stray rapids]

HDOS has ported a lot of runelite plugins

[marble fox]

im using 117 right now but there was one with HDOS graphics

[hidden karma]

lol

[marble fox]

it was definitely in runelite

[stray rapids]

thats just called HDOS

[next swallow]

'ported' is being generous

[stray rapids]

yoinked*

[hidden karma]

runelite has 117hd and GPU, there isn’t HDOS on Runelite

[next swallow]

more accurate

[sonic roost]

Hey pals, I’m working on a web app for rs3/osrs, it’s wip atm so things may get deleted like your login or cards etc but I’m also working on a runelite plugin for achievement granting and stats sync, plus milestones and per monster loot box drops

No money involved tho

[marble fox]

alright thanks

[sonic roost]

All for fun

Can I share the link here if people wanna try it out and report bugs ?

[hidden karma]

No advertising no

[sonic roost]

Ah fair

Guess I’ll just hammer tf out of TikTok algorithm when it releases properly

[hidden karma]

Idk if people want yet another site that does what the others do tbh

You can find something else for Claude to make

[sonic roost]

lol

[hidden karma]

Sorta being genuine

[next swallow]

WiseOldTempleProfile

[sly tartan]

I used to use 117, but now I'm playing with GPU + dynamic weather

looks pretty kool

[long zinc]

make a plugin that tracks banks without performance impact; works with multiple accounts and has web dashboard localhost to manage

[sly tartan]

just buy a 5090

and that gets rid of perf being an issue in all plugins

[remote bolt]

anyone know any methods/items/random lamps to get like 1-10 sailing xp? trying to max outside of boat

[leaden jolt]

[[Sailing/Experience table]] sorting salvage on a dock is an option

[steel thorn]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sailing/Experience_table

[remote bolt]

Thats perfect i forgot I could just run to one of those

[sly tartan]

I did zero sailing after 30, just did tears of guthix

[sly tartan]

@hidden karma jokes aside, what harm is there? all that shit on that site is getting synced to the wiki (clog, ca, etc)

and I also have all the syncs in the plugin enabled too (WiseOldMan, Meth Labs, etc)

[hidden karma]

Because I don’t want templeosrs to have it

Nor rune profile

[sly tartan]

I mean is it just a you thing or

which is fine

[hidden karma]

I don’t like the idea of it being public info

Really

[sly tartan]

or is there like some sort of like "I dont want anybody to know if I ever get a 3a pick; because they'll try to hack me"

fair enough

[sly tartan]

thats why an official jagex adventure log would be cool; you'd be able to have privacy settings

[sick pelican]

This is why i never synced to a website

Too paranoid

[hidden karma]

surely next unsire is the bludgeon finish

[sly tartan]

o shit a cum jar nice

I want one just to have a glass display filled with S O M E T H I N G

[sly tartan]

@hidden karma

on a scale of "this boss is ass, I just want the drop and block it" to "I want to get a task"

how fun is the abbysal sire?

[hidden karma]

It’s ok mostly

The trips are quick and the kills are quick it’s just a bit of rng on last phase

[sly tartan]

how is it like w/o scobo/emberlight

since I'm watching vids, but people are like

using burning claws and all the demonbane bis

but he falls over

found a guy clapping him with a fang, so thats promising

a fang is easier to get than 3 demonbane

[analog sequoia]

fang is usually good at stab bosses

[hidden karma]

Idk about that

But you can get by with arc light

Ember light isn’t hard to get

[sly tartan]

[simple grail]

terrible

[sly tartan]

what about arclight and bowfa for the resporators

[simple grail]

you want to be on ancients to stun him

[sly tartan]

yea ik about that

I watched a few vids

one just has the guy clap him with a fang

[simple grail]

well I mean fang is gonna work but it's also really much worse

actually nvm it's not that much worse

still worse, but it's less difference than I thought

I don't really see why you would rush sire though

Doing slayer, if you get 85 slayer and not have emberlight idk what you're doing

giga dry on synapse or not doing tormented demons when u get greater demons

which u really should be doing

[sly tartan]

the video clapped him pretty fast

let me find it

[simple grail]

bludgeon isn't very good at many places (especially if you already have things like fang), it's like really good at phosanis (why do you care about phosanis )

[sly tartan]

i plan on doing TDs on every greater task

was just curious, since the bludgeon is a cool weapon

https://youtu.be/LlPbGJJJXuE

this is an old video, another vid said they made the vents easier

[simple grail]

this video is old

[sly tartan]

but the point is he claps him

[simple grail]

yeah fang is giga

it's literally mega-rare value and it's like a 1/3 from a purple

[sly tartan]

the other day I was thinking, and if you're a late midgame iron

the only megarare worth getting spooned on a tbow

[simple grail]

you might think something like "oh tekton is weak to crush I should crush" nah you just bring a fang

[sly tartan]

shadow/hombe scythe = cant afford charges

but the tbow you can use rune/amathst arrows

and dragon arrows only on the content that NEEDS them

[simple grail]

(nothing)

but you should use them for difficult content like doom

[sly tartan]

yea I see people swap to them on floor 7+

and use rune/ama on 1-6

[simple grail]

if u call yourself "late midgame iron" and can't afford charges then u aint late

that's weird lol

[sly tartan]

why? use rune on the easy floors; and dragon on the hard floors

makes perfect sense

[simple grail]

more time = more supply usage

even if early wave is easy u still gonna use supplies for it like ranged pots, prayer unless ur giga flicking

there's very few content that's even worth using dragon arrows like ur not really gonna run out

if I ever get a tbow I'm gonna use dragon arrows there because I haven't used any yeet

rn I have 17k dragon arrows, which is equivalent to 70 hours of tbow usage

if I ever run out, get back to amethyst

[sly tartan]

I heard a day of raiding is 2000 dragon arrows spent

with a tbow

[simple grail]

not really

what raid?

[sly tartan]

which is like half of all the ones I got (from cg)

idr, was watching a video

[simple grail]

tob is 0 dragon arrows used

[sly tartan]

on some dude complaining

prolly cocks

[simple grail]

u already have a tbow so don't need cox

[sly tartan]

I mean claws and the magic gear

[simple grail]

toa is like yeah u can tbow it, but a lot of it is melee as well

[sly tartan]

and the prayers

[simple grail]

lol u got tbow before prayyers sure

[sly tartan]

rng is rng

[simple grail]

full ancestral is more rare than tbow i aint grinding out that lol

[sly tartan]

I seen people get 3 enh weapon seeds sub 100 kc

and then go like 600+ for some armors

[simple grail]

yeah that's what I meant

if you get tbow before prayers then yeah sure go cox

[sly tartan]

it looks cool, but from all the vids I watched

cox seems like a boring ass raid

with puzzle rooms

and rng based rooms

[simple grail]

virtus is 1% less so like it's not that important

they are gonna rebalance shadow eventually so it's not gonna getg multiplied by shadow

like ye if u gonna use tbow everywhere it's gonna run out of dragon arrows, but you don't need to use dragon arrows lol

if you're dying at doom because u don't have dragon arrows that's just a massive skill issue

so why not just use them and when you're out you're out

[sly tartan]

one of my future goals is to get like a months supply of inferno stuff

and then grind it out

like a ton of brews, restores, runes, prayer regen

[simple grail]

a shit ton of runes lmao

[sly tartan]

yea

[simple grail]

don't use prayer regen when ur practicing

imo

[sly tartan]

when sardicko was doing inferno

he did like 2 runs

then back to runecrafting prison

or cg to buy runes

[simple grail]

when u start getting to late waves 60+ then start bringing em

[sly tartan]

I feel like I can prolly do it with some help

I played the zucc sim a bit, and would do pretty well even though the keys and stuff are diff from what I'm used to

[simple grail]

anyone can do it with enough determination

it doesn't require tick perfect playing

[sly tartan]

but i feel like zucc is the easiest part of the inferno

[simple grail]

except 1 tick flicking

well that's not the right words

[sly tartan]

getting to him with supplies is the hard part

[simple grail]

alternating

[sly tartan]

yea I saw a vid

[simple grail]

like mage -> ranged -> mage -> ranged etc

[sly tartan]

its like 1 tick flicking, but instead of double clicking

[simple grail]

not the double cliking madness

[sly tartan]

in the same tick

you swap it

[simple grail]

yee

it's very easy to do

[sly tartan]

I'm not bad at 1 tick flicking

I did all of MM1 with no ppots, 1 tick flicking the entire quest

[simple grail]

well sure like learning the waves is much more difficult, but zuk isn't free either

[sly tartan]

hell most of my early game iron quests where 1 tick flick everything

because I didnt want to waste my 2 prayer potions

[simple grail]

i practiced on a simulator on my second attempt and it took quite a while learning it

second zuk attempt I mean

[sly tartan]

the easiest thing in hard content doesnt mean its easy

its just if there was no waves and only zucc

the inferno would be "free"

[simple grail]

yeah

same with sol

but that's great design

if it was really difficult then inferno would become so much more tedious

[sly tartan]

the one thing I dont like about the collo is like apparently

the first quiver is pure rng

will stuff get stuck behind the good pillar

[simple grail]

like the invocations? or what do you mean

[sly tartan]

will you get the grief invocations

etc

[simple grail]

yeah sometimes you get terrible things like once I got totemic, bees, and mantimayhem 3

which is really really really bad

I took totemic which was a huge mistake, you should take bees at that point

also the stacks you get are random yes but it's not pure rng

you can solve anything with skill

well that's not really true, but basically what you can do is just run to a different pillar

and the stack will almost always become much easier

brew up, equip shield, run to a different pillar praying the manticore

[sly tartan]

for now

I'm still in CG

praying for the salad blade

[simple grail]

oh? you have the 6/6 armour seeds?

[sly tartan]

no

5/6

[simple grail]

gl

[sly tartan]

at 6/6 I'm leaving

and not coming back unless there is some sort of emergency gp situation

or emergecy shard situation

[simple grail]

my plan was actually to go for saeldor when I started CG

then I went over 4x dry and said fuck that

[sly tartan]

yea ..

[simple grail]

xd

[sly tartan]

atleast you got all the gp you'll ever need

fox is going to finish

before me

he's also at 5/6 with enh with half the kc

I'm not complaining though, because I can see the light at the end of the tunnel

and I feel like doing construction will make me miss cg

[sly tartan]

@simple grail is the abbysal dagger dead content for iron pve?

its a more accurate dds spec (but takes more spec %)

but isnt the fang spec good

[simple grail]

abyssal dagger is bad

[sly tartan]

rip nostalgia

even though its not a dds, going slice slice with a backwards dagger

[simple grail]

burning claws are a great spec, dds can be good, chally

[sly tartan]

is peak neuron activation

yea chally is like

peak

wait

I bet thats a great spec weapon

vs. abbysal fat man

[simple grail]

well burning claws are probably better

it's gonna be more dmg if it's the last hit

but only in that case

[sly tartan]

the chally is a really cool item, but its kinda sadge that a essentially free quest reward

I guess diary reward

kills the viability of boss rewards

I love runescape's gear system; how everything is useful somewhere

but it would be nice for the abby dagger to have a place its really good at for example

ez solution, add abbysal-bane and make the bludgeon and whip abbysal bane weapons

[next swallow]

let's play: is it a maingame clue or a leagues clue!

[sly tartan]

lets see

one hint: are you using entity hider?

[next swallow]

no?

[simple grail]

maingame clue

[sly tartan]

you're at the crafting guild; but it looks dead

never seen it that dead

on leagues you got league teleports though

[simple grail]

nah u dont

only if you pick the garbage relic

[sly tartan]

every relic has a good bank? boss relic has the tzar one

but yea I'll go league since maingame would have atleast 1 guy at the crafting guild bank

[simple grail]

ye

[next swallow]

it is league, even in leagues elite clues are TRASH

[simple grail]

boss relic = hueycoatl
clue = karamja
bank = any bank

[simple grail]

lmao

i did 0 elites in my leagues journey

very happy about that

[sly tartan]

I did 1 medium clue

[simple grail]

i did do like 15 mediums

[next swallow]

doing a few of each clue is ez points

[simple grail]

there's so many things that are ez points though

if u do 1 elite and u get that reward ur geting like 30 points or whatever

[next swallow]

I mean at 64k they get less and less

[simple grail]

lmao

not really, in my experience I got more and more points the higher I went lol

cuz I just did the 200 point tasks instead of the small 10 points

like 10 colosseums was like 1000 points and took less than an hour

i did that at like 60k

I didn't even get 50m attack, strength, def with thorns, that would have been like 2k points in like 1 hour

it's only if ur going for cap that you actually have to do the terrible ones

like get a dragon full helm

no idea why so many people did that one lmao

[sly tartan]

honestly my takeaway from my first league is this

the gamemode is cool, but its not for me (yet)

I played for 9k points because I really liked the home tele + thralls; and the best part of the league was being able to log off at 9k points

the main reason I wasnt able to have fun is

• My account is still at the point where I'm progressing. It feels bad to do hunter rumors or clues on a temporary game mode for some funny cosmetics when I can be doing them on the main game and actually progressing.

• Even with help from you guys, it just felt like a chore having to constnatly wiki tasks. I wish they had a better like routing system for tasks.

maybe when I'm at the point where there is little to do on my account leagues will hit different

I really enjoyed gridmaster since it was a super fast and short event, and will happily play a simiar event in the future. I also heard this league was slower points/power compared to other leagues; so idk if that played a factor

[simple grail]

I think this league was faster because it had much better relics

abundance and endless harvest were sick

the pvm stones were really not balanced

if you went for blindbag yeah it's gonna feel terrible

because that tree completly sucked

[next swallow]

I'm stubborn and have stuck to my thrown build

[simple grail]

xd

[sly tartan]

thats how you game. make up something you find cool, and commit

I do that in single player games

I'll think of a meme build in a RPG, and commit

[simple grail]

i remember i played dark souls 2 and I used a single weapon the whole game

the rapier the goat

[sly tartan]

thats common for all the souls games and souls-likes

[sly tartan]

dark souls 2 worst souls game though

[simple grail]

nah but like it was from the start

you always upgrade your starting weapon

[sly tartan]

yep

[simple grail]

but in ds2 I just stuck to it xd

[sly tartan]

every souls game

all weapons are good

lots of people just use their first weapon

[simple grail]

i feel like it gets a lot of hate for no reason like sure it's not the best but it was really fun as well

[sly tartan]

or a weapon they get early on

[sly tartan]

I tried to play it, I only got 40h in it or so

my issue is the mechanics are ass

as in how your character controls

and interacts with the world

[simple grail]

well I enjoy games like getting over it so I always adapt to wonky movements lmao

[sly tartan]

while every other fromsoft game (and souls-like) feel gud

[simple grail]

dark souls 1 also has that problem though

but it's not really a problem

it's just a different way to move

[next swallow]

ds2 was my first souls game and I still remember it fondly

[simple grail]

the one thing I really didn't like in dark souls 2 is how often your weapon would hit the wall instead of the enemies xd

and the repair system was a useless system

[simple grail]

it was sick, great bosses (except azzandra lmao)

the fume knight was sick, but it was a DLC boss

but u get all dlc for free on steam now

if you buy scholar of the first sin version

[next swallow]

gimmick boss but cool design

[simple grail]

and the rat boss, god I hated the rat boss

[next swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/fea-giant-rat-gif-25069354

[simple grail]

don't know what that one is lol

[next swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pveTysUNJp4

[sly tartan]

in a game where most bosses have 2 mechanics and die in 6 auto attacks

gimmick bosses are fun

[sly tartan]

I have a question

I always thought combat xp was style * 4; and then hp (and slayer) xp added on

but I just realized that in CG I get like less than half XP using mage on hunleff compared to range

is there some sort of different xp formula for charged staffs?

I'm reading the wiki, and I found PvM bonus experiance, but nothing seperating ranged and magic xp

nvm I scrolled too far, I found it

players gain combat skill experience from dealing damage. The normal value is 4 experience per damage in ranged and melee combat styles, and 2 experience per damage in Magic combat style.

all these years on runescape, and I didnt know magic is 2xp per point of damage; I thought it was the opposite where you get bonus xp from using resources (runes) + the 4 combat xp from the hit

[subtle solstice]

It's only 2 because of the spell xp

Also because it originally wasn't meant for sustainable combat

At first you couldn't cast spells when you were under attack, runes were too expensive and rare to use it everywhere, and once they could be used while under attack you'd be using melee along with your offensive spells

[sly tartan]

I always thought the spell xp was a bonus ontop of the combat xp

[sly tartan]

I guess yea, in RSC it was used mid melee

I watched vids, and you'd have 2 people swinging at eachother, and clicking spells at the same time

so is defensive mode techinacly more xp per cast when using mage?

2 magic xp vs. 1.33 magic xp + 1 defense xp

[simple grail]

it is

but powered staves don't have that

that's why splashing still gives xp

if you splash with a powered staff u get 0 xp

[sly tartan]

bonus as in you still got the 4 xp per damage; and then the cast xp ontop of that

[simple grail]

yeah but it would be 2 xp as u cited from the wiki

[sly tartan]

yea, I didnt know that before

I only realized bcause after all my CGs I was like "wait why did I get almost 3 ranged levels, but barely 1 magic level; and I use magic a lot more"

so I started digging through the wiki

[simple grail]

yeah it's interesting I never actually noticed that

didn't know magic gave 2x less xp

barrage gives so much xp anyway cuz ur dealing so much dmg I guess

so if it was 4 like the others it would be insane xp

[sly tartan]

yea magic xp/hr is crazy, even without barrage

thats why I never even considered it giving less xp/damage

I guess the RSC example where you'd cast mid melee combat makes sense for 2 xp/dmg

[simple grail]

yeah I always defensive cast

barrage with defensive cast is the way

you don't lose (basically) any dmg because of how magic works

[sly tartan]

yea

also I know charged staffs benefit from long ranged

no damage loss, and you get more .. ranged

[simple grail]

yeah sometimes u want the lower range but basically always longrange it

[sly tartan]

really? for what?

[simple grail]

so it's the giga strat for olm

if you have lower range ur character moves and attacks in the same tick

but if you have longrange your guy just stands still

but that's pretty much the only case you want lower range

[sly tartan]

is that what makes eye of ayak

even stronker when doing solo olm

[simple grail]

no it's terrible on that method

[sly tartan]

guess I'm thinking of something else

[simple grail]

it's 3 tick

[sly tartan]

I seen sardicko solo olm with eye of ayak

[simple grail]

so u can't use the regular method

yeah you'd have to use a different method

[sly tartan]

and the 3 man method where one guy mages and moves the head

and the other guys just beat him up

[simple grail]

yeah for more than 1 person eye of ayak is great

[sly tartan]

honestly the olm head manipulation is like the coolest form of emmergent gameplay

[simple grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKG7ExkAV3Y

[sly tartan]

100% unintended, but

[simple grail]

look at this lmao

gazillions of tiles

[sly tartan]

really cool and

oh its one of these follow the tile memes

[simple grail]

that's olm for you

lol

but you also need to know what attack olm is gonna do

you have to "set" olm

[sly tartan]

what weapon is he using?

[simple grail]

eye of ayak

[sly tartan]

wait so is that a diff strat

than the one you're talking about

[simple grail]

ye it's much easier with 4 tick weapon

u 100% need a stam to do this method

[sly tartan]

soon we're gonna be going

bandos door alter

I beleive in myself

actually what are some big GWD items anyway

like I dont really care for the bandos set, I rather grind oathplate

BGS is cool, but all the shards are ass

[simple grail]

zamorakian spear

acb eventually

[sly tartan]

yea to upgrade it right

acb is ass by itself right

[simple grail]

yeah it's good at toa as well

no it's actually good

better than bowfa for leviathan

nex

[sly tartan]

is it? thought its just food for upgradescape

[simple grail]

yeah for some bosses

bgs is good for some bosses

but I don't have it and the only place I want it is like corp and idgaf about that lmao

[sly tartan]

thats cool, its not just food for a zarite crossbow

[simple grail]

bone dagger is like unironically better than bgs at toa

bgs is very good at tob though but glad my team has it lmao

it's an item you can get away not grinding out if your friends have it

you want at least bgs or dwh

so ur not giga leeching

[sly tartan]

prolly a testament to how much new content the game has but

looking at all the gw general drops

they're nice to haves but

literally most other content is better to do

[simple grail]

yeah

and the big one zammy spear is super common

[sly tartan]

esp when you take into account the 40kc, paid instance, and trip length

[simple grail]

super outdated

[sly tartan]

I feel like it might be faster to grind out lizardmen

vs. live at bandos

for the hilt + shards

[simple grail]

lizardman huge afk if u have red x

[sly tartan]

is the zammy spear/hasta better than the black gem keris?

[sly tartan]

no main

[simple grail]

don't think so no

[sly tartan]

if somebody let me borrow a main they dont play; I'd bond it up while I use it (assuming its not against the rules)

[simple grail]

black keris is basically bis until fang

i don't know how I feel about that tbh

feels pretty strange

[sly tartan]

might aswell get it after you get the dragon hunter lance item then

if irons could group at godwars

with a royal titan like loot system

maybe it would like make the content a bit more fresh

[simple grail]

yeah that's what I did

i just used boppers at toa

until black keris

[sly tartan]

imo a lot of iron restrictions are from when the gamemode came out

and the whole "you stand alone" meme was a thing

like no group slayer

and not being allowed to visit other's poh

[simple grail]

yeah we still have nonsense like if someone even does 1 dmg u don't get loot

[sly tartan]

imo let irons visit houses, but not use stuff outside of like chairs

[sly tartan]

yea

or if they take damage/aggro, you have to aggro it back and get hit

to get credit

it was annoying when I safespotted the chaos ele

if the odd person ran by, I'd have to tank a hit or else I lost credit

[simple grail]

oh that's how it works? intreresting

i thought it was just cooked if someone took one hit

[sly tartan]

if somebody runs by, and the chaos ele attacks them; I loose the tag

if I kill it without the chaos ele hitting me, I dont get drops

so I need the chaos ele to hit me once

when my iron was new, I had a main friend tank steel dragons for me (rcb limbs)

and just pray + pot

but do no damage

and it worked

gnome is bursting zombies with no ppots, 1 tick flicking the entire time

https://youtu.be/Q0D5KgwYTto

unhinged behavior

[zinc dagger]

Good idea

[simple grail]

janger berries

massive

[sly tartan]

no berries this time

just 4 potatos

what spell is he even casting

smoke burst?

ok he's 65 mage, makes sense

[zinc dagger]

Yes

[opal cove]

cool claws still meta becasuse "new" claws exist

I consider it new

O shit under 10 mil

[zinc dagger]

Yeah theyre pretty good for how cheap they are

[analog sequoia]

yea

[simple grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVAgJ-83M2w

ok but like how sick isn't this

jeremiah the goat (he developed robospear)

[hidden karma]

I think while it’s neat, the plugin is cheating lol

If you went to a casino and recorded the tables and hands played hand had an app count cards but you didn’t count cards, you’d still get kicked out for counting cards.

How is a plugin that you insert data it exports to a site to know where to stand and pray order not cheating

[broken ember]

Finally someone posted this 😂 I'm surprised nobody complained about it yet seeing as the other day someone was questioning true tiles (?) 😅

[broken ember]

My two cents:

The plugin only makes easier what already exists. You can already cheese waves by scouting. There are already plugins that show you scouted waves and lets you export them. There are already websites where you can import scouted waves and see where to stand and what will attack you when (mind you it's manual work). There are websites where you can simulate the actual fight and play as if you're in game (mind you it's manual work).

Yes, the plugin seems OP and I wouldn't be surprised if Jagex takes action; however, the action Jagex should take is fixing logout scouting. Furthermore, players still need to be skillful in prayer flicking, managing actions on tick, and wave management. Also, if they didn't care about all that Yama Robofly shit, it would be interesting to see them act on this.

[simple grail]

This is only possible because of mage tank as well. Mage tank already trivialises the content, but that's at least in game, this is completely plugin/computer solved

It does certainly take away a lot from the content though, I don't really want the inferno to be "ah well I just install this plugin" lol

you know we joke about tob plugins but this one is far more egregious

[analog sequoia]

yea even the tob plugins look like qol compared to this

[simple grail]

(still sick and super cool and like the best osrs video i ever watched)

[analog sequoia]

interesting but not something id want to see become standard

[sick pelican]

Its cool but people have been optimizing the game out of the game way too much.

[simple grail]

"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." - Soren Johnson

it's shrimply gonna happen

Optimization can be really fun, like learning new methods to get higher xp, but when you reach 3ticking levels of optimzation or soul farming in dark souls to make the game easy is not the good route

like robospear is the peak of optimzation and it's sick

[broken ember]

But... this “Autozuk" is the same... no?

The only distinction is the content

[sly tartan]

honestly whats the difference between:

1. going on a third party website to help you solve the wave
2. a plugin doing the same thing as a website, but you dont have to swap to another window

[sly tartan]

also doesnt the robospear require a huge ammount of skill

[hidden karma]

yes

[sly tartan]

sure it was made computing a ton of shit

[hidden karma]

i think auto retaliate on a 4 tick cycle is brain dead as it's a manticore

the hardest part for a noob might be 2 ticks of mage in a row

but if your cycle is mage range melee range reapeat that's freelo

[sly tartan]

unrealistic on irons

unless you want to wait for full justy

and all that other shit

before inferno lmao

honestly if the video showcases anything, its not the funny program being op; but just how stronk mage tank is

my understanding is mage tank with full invy of brews and dinnhs and shit can more or less trivialize the content in max gear

this is just taking it ot the extreme by doing no pillar

I wouldnt be surprised if the regular mage tank strat is easier where you just wear max gear, pray mage, and eat (while using the pillar)

[broken ember]

It's going to be interesting what Jagex does next. If they nerf mage tank, it kinda devalues progression in the game. As in, what's the point of better gear if Jagex will end up nerfing it later.

On the other hand, I feel like if anything, they'll probably fix logout scouting. Apparently they tried before? Guess it's all spaghetti code and they can't do it properly lmao.

[sly tartan]

honestly the inferno is almost a decade old at this point right?

if this was any other piece of content

nobody would care

[broken ember]

I mean shit, they did it for Yama not a year later and people didn't care, but rather embraced it and celebrated it.

[sly tartan]

a ~decade worth of powercreep will obviously make 10 year old content easier

[sly tartan]

robospear? yea they just capped the spec at 100

I dont think the people who are going to buy all this shit

to get their first cape

will do well at precision flicking

and the people who can off tick well can prolly just send bowfa

and if you already got a cape, chances are you already know how to do zucc

in a way it feels like a nothingburger

what does max mage tank (elle and all that) cost? a bill?

I heard the bowfa coming out dropped the skill gap in non-tboy inferno by a lot

and then prayer regens adding resources. arma brews added a few more slots I think too

mage tank is the next step imo

personally I want to send a bowfa inferno; because it feels like a right of passage of gittin gud

[next swallow]

no advertising

[hidden karma]

No hotdogs

[brisk plaza]

I buy Wood Leaf for 60 coins

[simple grail]

Whilst I do agree it's sick and really cool, robospear doesn't take away skill from Yama, it adds to it. The whole point of AutoZuk is that you don't have to learn it

[simple grail]

No it doesn't lol

You can't just walk into inferno with mage tank and it's free

If you don't solve pillar stacks you're 100% dead

[next swallow]

we done

[simple grail]

That's why he had to switch from eye of ayak to blood barrage

I think you're overestimating how difficult it is to flick mage when you literally have plugins in the game counting ticks for you

Flicking mage for 2 ticks is really easy when you have the 1,2,3,4 circles flashing

No iron is gonna do this strat though it's just for mains

Powercreep has made the game easier, but this isn't powercreep, this is an external program solving the waves for you

Imagine if Jagex released this feature, every wave you could click a button and it would tell you where to stand and what ticks to flick. That would be complete nonsense to add

[sly tartan]

isnt there already a wave solver

[simple grail]

No nothing like this

[sly tartan]

like you input where the things are

on a website

and it tells you how the mobs will path

so you know where to hide

and can prepare the stack

[simple grail]

That's not how the inferno works

[sly tartan]

you like log out after the wave

[simple grail]

You can't "hide" from mobs

[sly tartan]

to scout

[simple grail]

But of course you can do that, that's what the plugin uses

[sly tartan]

yea

either way, doesnt seem like a big deal ngl

let the bond bois do what they want

[simple grail]

But inferno stacking is literally the same pillar every time

[sly tartan]

this doesnt change the inferno for anybody that actually plays the game

[simple grail]

Of course it will

[sly tartan]

the people that would do this for their first cape are the same people taht would buy it (breaking the rules)

[simple grail]

No it isn't lol

Like I think it's pretty obvious this breaks the rules:
Indicates what prayers to use in what order, for example in the Cerberus boss fight
Automatically informs you where or where not to stand in a boss fight. This applies to only automatic indicators, and not tiles which have been manually marked.

Second one is a vague since it's not technically automatic, but the spirit of the rule is clearly talking about manually marked tiles like in the Olm room, not dynamically changed for each wave

[sly tartan]

but its not a plugin that does that, but a website

the plugin just exports data from scouting

its not like its drawing gui elements ontop of your prayers for when to click them

honestly if a website told me "pray mage tick 0, ranged dick 4, melee tick 8, mage tick 12 (and so on)" thats like no help at all; I'd still need to execute it; even with the little dots

especially if its multiple minutes per wave, and 1-2 mistakes = ded and back to the start

[analog sequoia]

yea, same thing exists for hunllef and it didnt get punished

[sly tartan]

the manual 1 2 3 range thing for noobs?

[analog sequoia]

yea

[sly tartan]

there is also the manual zuk timer

but execution is also a thing

[analog sequoia]

but well hunllef has a fat animation for changing styles so it doesnt even matter

[next swallow]

the hunllef plugin could just be a youtube video you press play on

[sly tartan]

right, and this is like a runehq guide

or wiki runedoku solver

that gives you the answer, but you gotta execute it

and realisticly only for mains in like super expensive setups

I thik its cool tech, and a nothingburger as a whole

if it drew circles ontop of the prayers in the client, that would cross a line

but just spitting out a list of ticks is nothing imo

[analog sequoia]

but doesnt it break the rule of telling you where (not) to stand

[rapid pawn]

no because no plugin in the game is telling them where to stand

[simple grail]

of course it does?

have you even watched the video

[rapid pawn]

yes

the plugin does not tell you where to stand or what to pray

did you watch the video lol

[simple grail]

it does byy proxy??

[rapid pawn]

the website does

[sly tartan]

you can do everything without the plugin if you manually put the monsters

[simple grail]

ah yes big difference

[sly tartan]

in the tool

and use the vanilla jagex client

[simple grail]

not really because you don't know what #codes they have

[rapid pawn]

exactly

ok that i agree is an advantage

but also isn’t a precondition to the method working

[sly tartan]

for mains that are already spending 1b on a meme setup

[simple grail]

it is

[sly tartan]

the people this will help are the people that would probably buy a cape

[simple grail]

you can't know where your guy will route if you don't know those codes

[rapid pawn]

you could build the same thing without needing the npcid to solve things

[simple grail]

that's not true, you can't predict where your guy will go

[sly tartan]

its a giant nothing burger

I doubt anybody is going to watch the video and go "cool, I can go spend over 1b on random mage tank items and finally get my first cape after dying 100 times"

[simple grail]

this is just obviously false lmao

the dude literally got it on the first try

[rapid pawn]

the audience for this to even help them is nearly nonexistent imo. learners struggle to 1 tick alternate between mage and range in inferno. i don’t think flawlessly executing a four tick pattern for several minutes at a time every wave is going to help them lol

[simple grail]

it's not gonna take 100 attempts

you literally have to learn that for the inferno, and a gazillion other things

[sly tartan]

honestly after watching a proper pillar mage tank video, I feel like thats probably easier

vs. offticking for minutes

[analog sequoia]

yea it probably is

[rapid pawn]

yeah regular mage tank is way easier than this method

[simple grail]

right because in the regular inferno you definitely don't offtick for minutes

[rapid pawn]

not every single wave no

[simple grail]

for the difficult waves 50+ you definitely do almost always

[rapid pawn]

most waves are solved in parts

[simple grail]

you almost always have a blob and a ranger/mage

regular mage tank is literally just the normal inferno but you have more defense

if regular mage tank is that easy then the inferno is easy

[rapid pawn]

it is

[simple grail]

no it isn't

scurrius is easy

[rapid pawn]

have you done many regular inferno kc? mage tank kc? it’s night and day easier and more forgiving

[simple grail]

this method isn't relevant for your perspective, it's for the little noobs who think "oh offticking that mager and ranged looks scary"

it's really slow, it took 3 hours to do he said in the vid

it's a first cape strat

[rapid pawn]

they literally freeze mobs to avoid mage range offticks lol

[simple grail]

I've done the one bowfa kc

[rapid pawn]

it’s ridiculously easy

[simple grail]

that's not gonna get you away from offticking though

because blobs

you're really weak to mage attacks, so if you have a ranger and a blob

you have to alternate no?

(i don't think alternating is very difficult but it's still a skill you have to learn))

and like what does it matter what I think, i've literally done the inferno

this tool is to those people who haven't done it

once you learn something of course it's easy

the hard part is the learning part lol

like just scrolling through the reddit, we have one guy who can't beat Galvek

people struggle with Phantom Muspah

[rapid pawn]

he’s not going to be helped by flawlessly pray switching for three hours lol

[simple grail]

it's one skill you have to learn versus many

as the guy said in the video "it didn't feel like I was doing the inferno"

[rapid pawn]

and he didn’t even make it to zuk because he messed up his pray flicks

[simple grail]

yeah because he started watching a youtube video (according to him anyway)

[rapid pawn]

but anyway we’re at an impasse not give the reynolds mage tank vids a watch. it’s more op than you are assuming

https://youtu.be/rSvNC-X6cyo?si=DyyeXV0it1MRor4d

[simple grail]

ill give it a watch

i have seen gnomonkey's video doing it