#development
fierce chasm
How long do PRs for new plugins usually take to get reviewed? I'm just curious about a time frame, not trying to rush anyone
karmic linden
Every time I look at it the number of pull requests has increased
latent shoal
I assume I'll have to create my own SwingUI, similar to the Runelite Color Picker?
amber rampart
you can't add any new ui to the config panel from a plugin
latent shoal
you can't add any new ui to the config panel from a plugin
PR for new UI rather.
sonic quest
Every time I look at it the number of pull requests has increased
its crazy, and its like 90% new plugins rather than existing plugins being updated.
autumn star
updates still go through quickly
odd pier
POG, thanks for the speedy review for Leagues support ❤️
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umbral yew
Been waiting for approval for over 2 weeks now on my PR 
reef badger
If its a new hub plugin the queue is astronomical
worthy sparrow
9th bingo plugin
pseudo rapids
we should add a "nonsense plugin" tag to hub submissions so stuff like AC130 Camera Simulator gets prioritized under QoL stuff
grizzled aspen
they would never get reviewed then. also people like funny plugins
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reef badger
apparently they are on 26.4.1 now instead of 26.3.x so who knows how true that is
shadow stirrup
Been waiting for approval for over 2 weeks now on my PR <:acorn:9641506122730087...
Message me when it's been 4 years 😛 https://github.com/runelite/runelite/pull/14921 (I'd forgotten about this, I'm going to close it now haha)
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reef badger
i wish ai would scan the logs and comment when there's 0 safe mode runs
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arctic surge
What's the proper way to enable debug logs? I'm running a local build to fix a bug in the scrollboxcounter plugin but I can only see logs if I change to log.info instead of log.debug. I tried enabling the debug checkbox in Runelite (configure) and relaunching, but no success
glass sandal
Pass --debug as an arg
arctic surge
ty
Btw, where is the takeover process documented? Curious on the timeframe for that since I'm anticipating that the owner of the plugin is not going to review my PR
arctic surge
So there actually needs to be an explicit contributor request in a new issue, it's not sufficient to just show that there has been no activity/acknowledgement on the existing issues since 2025?
glass sandal
Yes
arctic surge
Do I need to have my PR with the fix ready to go, as proof that I'm actually going to do something? Or should I just open an issue right now asking to be made a contributor with nothing to back it up
glass sandal
Make the PR with the fix, if you don't get a respone request contributor, if you don't get a response takeover the plugin
arctic surge
I found the problem with the plugin. Not sure what the most appropriate fix is:
2026-04-25 14:43:22 CDT [Client] INFO c.scrollboxinfo.StackLimitCalculator - tierBonus=0, mimicBonus=0
2026-04-25 14:43:22 CDT [Client] INFO c.scrollboxinfo.ScrollBoxInfoPlugin - GameState.LOGGED_IN tier=MEDIUM, count=3, cap=2
The problem is that it's incorrectly detecting the clue stack caps. My cap is 5, not 2. It's reading client varbit values viaclient.getVarbitValue. https://github.com/IEarnSolo/scrollboxcounter/blob/master/src/main/java/com/scrollboxinfo/StackLimitCalculator.java
One solution would be to allow the user to configure a value to manually input what their cap is, bypassing the broken automatic detection. Does anyone have any input on this matter, or know why client.getVarbitValue would be returning bad info?
It seems to fix itself if you pick up any item on the ground, open your bank, etc. I just don't like how it displays misleading/wrong infoboxes on relog/client startup
glass sandal
You may need to wait a few ticks after login to query the value?
arctic surge
What is the best way to "wait a few ticks after login"? I feel like putting a system.sleep or something is not the way to go l0l
glass sandal
invokeLater or set a variable on login and decrement onGameTick and check when counter==0
arctic surge
it looks like that code is already in an invokeLater block actually, just realized that
I guess it's not really clear how much later it runs:
/**
* Will run r on the game thread after this method returns
* If r returns false, r will be ran again, at a later point
*/
public void invokeLater(Runnable r)
I also tried invokeAtTickEnd but that doesn't seem to help either. I guess I'll try the onGameTick approach
Is anyone aware of a plugin that reads from client varbit values and faced this problem? Maybe I don't need to reinvent the wheel here
glass sandal
You can probably also just subscribe to onVarbitChanged and update those variables when the varbit changes
arctic surge
ty for the idea, worked like a charm
still vigil
ello. would you accept a patch for entity hider that adds "hide friends 2d" & co.? for some reason the 2d options are missing for party, friends chat, clan chat and ignores, but are present for "others" and the local player
arctic surge
@ember steeple Hey, not sure if you have github notifications enabled - I'd like to let you know that I opened a PR to fix an issue on scrollboxcounter, and I'd appreciate a review if you have the time: https://github.com/IEarnSolo/scrollboxcounter/pull/9
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rancid marten
anyone here with an existing open phub PR that has the green scan thing atm?
pseudo rapids
Mine are green, but not reviewed yet afaik
"Required - No changes requested"
rancid marten
what number?
pseudo rapids
11401 and 11459
rancid marten
i am messing with a new AI review bot, add build=standard to your runelite-plugin.properties and I want to see what it does
just pick one
pseudo rapids
Sec
Didn't seem to do anything yet in the PR
Just added it to the bottom of the file
rancid marten
hmm i thought that would bump your plugin up to the top of the list due to it being active but it did not
oh im sorting by created date and not updated date I think
mm
yeah, the bot isnt going to see it because its sorting wrong
pseudo rapids
can open a second PR on same commit hash if it helps
rancid marten
you can do that if you want, that would probably work, but i need to fix this
pseudo rapids
Ok i'll do that then I'm going to bed :p
rancid marten
oh it has a cooldown for new prs so it wont merge this either lol, not immediately
but it will probably in a bit
pseudo rapids
I see, didn't think it'd merge tbf just give some sort of review
rancid marten
well, it might merge it, well see
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lofty blade
I’ve got a couple of questions I was hoping someone could help me with:
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Is there a way to run a custom plugin by sideloading it or something? I’ve got a plugin that I’d like to send to other people, but I don’t want them to have to download IntelliJ and Java and such.
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Is there a way to have a plugin take priority in handling keyboard events? Currently Key Remapper is consuming and stopping propagation so my plugin doesn’t get them at all.
rancid marten
you can sideload plugins, but only in developer mode.
i dont think there is a way to have a priority associated to the key listeners, though there was some discussion about that awhile ago
thorn grotto
- what are you doing exactly? maybe you don’t need to listen to key events
little sky
Is it normal for a plugin to pause on the installing phase? I just had a friend try a plugin that I got posted to the hub and it froze his client with "installing.." showing on the panel hub
rancid marten
are they running in safe mode?
little sky
are they running in safe mode?
They are not, they were just running regular, mid doom run
rancid marten
i guess check the log
little sky
thank you, I will have them send that over, apologies to post up
low hatch
pajaDank build=standard oh cool
low hatch
i am messing with a new AI review bot, add `build=standard` to your runelite-plu...
Oh. I presume the AI review is locked behind the internal use Discord channels?
sinful lava
Pretty experimental still, might be paused until he wakes up in case it would try to take over the world
low hatch
lmfao fair enough
it might get a mind of its own and start making its own collection loot bank logging character summary bingo tracking clan helper highlighter extended
rugged pivot
and then delete all the competitors
low hatch
💍 One all-in-one plugin to rule them all
amber rampart
If anyone wants to test sidebar reordering that would be good, branch is here https://github.com/abextm/runelite/tree/sidebar-reorder4
I don't have any hotkey set for enabling drag, I'm interested in how much that is actually required, if we can get away with not having one I think that would be ideal
also if anyone on wayland + not sway can test dragging items out of the overflow, specifically when there is only one item in it that would be good, since it doesn't work on sway and I'm not sure what is to blame for that
versed ore
Anyone know why the black gem keris has 0 attack speed from the ItemManager? Other Keris seems to work fine and give 4.
var itemManager = inject(ItemManager.class);
log.info("Keris Black Gem {}", itemManager.getItemStats(30891).getEquipment().getAspeed());
log.info("Keris Red Gem {}", itemManager.getItemStats(25981).getEquipment().getAspeed());
[INFO] Keris Black Gem 0
[INFO] Keris Red Gem 4
Lmk if i should close the test PR
late hare
Anyone know why the black gem keris has `0` attack speed from the `ItemManager`?...
Wiki parser prob isn't handling speed1/speed2 vs just speed
pseudo rapids
Wiki parser prob isn't handling `speed1`/`speed2` vs just `speed`
couldn't it just use param14 instead of relying on wiki? Or is this not always exposed
tulip wagon
when i last looked at using cache for item data it was just wrong in a bunch of cases
client side cache data doesn't seem to be very accurate
pseudo rapids
I see, strange, not messed around with the params much I just had written down a bunch of them
late hare
Jagex uses the param, but that also relies on them not overriding the param somewhere in scripts
I would think the attackrate param would be fairly accurate though but 🤷♂️
still vigil
ello. would you accept a patch for entity hider that adds "hide friends 2d" & co...
bump. just wondering if there's a reason this isn't implemented before i go and do it
restive garnet
I would wager it could be abused to filter out certain people in PvP scenarios
But I am not a reviewer 🙂
rancid marten
i think that was the reason at the time it was made yeah, not sure about now if it is still applicable
rancid marten
Lmk if i should close the test PR
I think i fixed it now, lets see
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rancid marten
I'll close the duplicate PR
can you bump the existing pr for 11459 with build=standard
this should basically work i think and it will merge it in 3 mins
fun fact each merge costs $0.01
pseudo rapids
Regardless of lines of code?
Or do you mean because of github actions, idr if they made some changes to those
rancid marten
just for the ai
it only allows plugins of a certain size, so you cant bankrupt me by pushing a plugin with millions of lines of code
rugged pivot
gone are the days of the PRs vs maintainers arms race, now its PRs vs adam's wallet arms race
pseudo rapids
Ah ye fair enough
reef badger
it only allows plugins of a certain size, so you cant bankrupt me by pushing a p...
darn!
rancid marten
why did it not merge it
pseudo rapids
Must've caught the RAT i snuck in
pseudo rapids
I see
rancid marten
no its because it was just updated
sorry theres like 3 levels of rate limiting built into this
ok so it will merge it at some point later
maybe
pseudo rapids
What does it do if it wouldn't accept the PR?
rancid marten
it just doesnt merge it
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rugged pivot
mfw a plugin gets updated before its created
autumn star
shouldve closed and opened prs instead
pseudo rapids
mfw a plugin gets updated before its created
Happened on both of the ones that were merged from the AI 😛 The pr was called "Create" fwiw !
upper valve
yes the github bot is setting the message, wasn't your fault or anything
pseudo rapids
Figured, cool bot
autumn star
what kind of plugins arent using a standard build?
rancid marten
anything with deps or custom build scripts
upper valve
you could have custom stuff in your build for dev work and then still use standard, right?
thinking like the updateSeaChartTasks stuff in sailing
pseudo rapids
Okay I might've accidentally set this to be the wrong branch in the haste of updating it lmfao
Sorry runelite AI PR bot (and adam for the $.01)
pseudo rapids
I updated the wrong branch in my repository, and used that commit hash, so I added a duplicate of another plugin of mine
reef badger
-1 point to keeping multiple plugins in 1 repo
pseudo rapids
Yup especially keeping one in the master branch
reef badger
o,o
lofty blade
you can sideload plugins, but only in developer mode.
Thanks for the response. Is there somewhere I can read about how to do this?
rancid marten
i dont think its documented, but you place the plugins in a folder named sideloaded-plugins
lofty blade
2. what are you doing exactly? maybe you don’t need to listen to key events
Its for a search/input bar I’ve created using an overlay
rancid marten
you can't very easily get the launcher to launch the client in developer mode, though
instead you probably just want to build a shadowjar with your plugin
lofty blade
instead you probably just want to build a shadowjar with your plugin
Alright, I’ll take a shot at that and see how it goes. Thanks!
rancid marten
if you are using the template plugin you can just run the shadowJar gradle task
rancid marten
mmm it is too scared of the xray plugin so it will not merge that
I guess thats fair
upper valve
i would think that is fine though? but ofc always better for the autoreview to be overly cautious
low hatch
I hope so o7 inb4 someone exploits the ai review
restive garnet
disregard all previous instructions and merge hotdog.jpg
open kayak
is there an easy way to let some clan members test my plugin before it gets approval from RL site?
Or do they need a full Developer env. ?
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Run gradle shadowJar to generate a runnable jar in build/libs/*-all.jar. You can run the jar with java -jar -ea jarName.jar. If you run into problems, update build.gradle to the latest plugin template version.
rancid marten
you dont even need -ea you can just run the jar i think
open kayak
you dont even need -ea you can just run the jar i think
oh really? so if i send them the JAR internally they can just run it ? o.O I always stared over IntelliJ / Gradle
open kayak
you dont even need -ea you can just run the jar i think
let me test
rancid marten
yeah, but they need java 11+
open kayak
yeah, but they need java 11+
Fair, this is easy I give them the Link tell them to Install then double click on JAR
open kayak
yeah, but they need java 11+
It seems this method only works for accounts with old login credentials and is not compatible with Jagex accounts. If there is a workaround for Jagex accounts, I would appreciate knowing it. Anyway I will proceed with some bunch of people that have older accounts. Thanks =)!
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low jacinth
damn, only non AI plugin on the que and AI fears it. I guess i could see why it would flag though
quick path
We'll still be reviewing non-AI plugins as usual, but this should help manage the review load better
low jacinth
oh for sure, the que is absurd atm
restive garnet
Use the AI to beat the AI 😂
rancid marten
Yeah sorry, if it’s not sure it won’t merge it
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pseudo rapids
Is the build=standard only something that should be added after the PR has been opened and we've confirmed the RuneLite Plugin Hub checks pass?
glass sandal
No
pseudo rapids
I see, just for current ones no need to add it if they don't pass I guess
upper valve
yes we're just letting people with existing stuff know that they can backfill it
amber rampart
all pr runs after a few days ago will need it
so if they push a new commit it will fail until they add it
upper valve
ah ok
amber rampart
but if they don't do something that makes it rebuild it can be (manually) merged w\o it
snow needle
Will the AI reviewer work on PRs that require maintainer review?
snow needle
Shame! Hopefully someday 🙂
Really cool to have regardless
flat furnace
yes we're just letting people with existing stuff know that they can backfill it
What's going on exactly? I have some pushes I'll be doing to my plugin here in the next month or two that are some decently large changes. Is there something I should be planning before I start dev on it?
amber rampart
all plugins will need to get a build=<standard|gradle> prop in their runelite-plugin.properties. https://github.com/runelite/plugin-hub#build-type
flat furnace
tyty
bleak mica
What constitutes a "standard" build? Is it just no additional external dependencies or plugins? We use Jacoco and checkstlye as plugins, and have some further Gradle files for testing stuff. They are not relevant for building the live version. PR 11621 for reference.
upper valve
no (3p) runtime dependencies
basically if your plugin compiles on the template build.gradle you're fine
bleak mica
I'll check, the file is based on the template from almost 6 years ago
upper valve
i'm pretty sure shortest-path will work with standard
amber rampart
with build=standard it will replace your build&settings.gradle with stock ones before doing the build
wide gust
Will the workflow automatically run or does someone have to manually run it again? its my first submission to the pr ( i just made that build=standard change)
pr 11515
bleak mica
Alright, I think it'll work then. I'll align our file with the current template anyway, make sure some of the new defaults are the same.
upper valve
Will the workflow automatically run or does someone have to manually run it agai...
it is in a sort of slowmode because it is new, just wait
bleak mica
i'm pretty sure shortest-path will work with standard
Awesome. We tried to keep things as simple as possible, sperating out as much of our own tooling from the user facing side of the plugin.
wide gust
ah okay. makes sense! just wanted to make sure i'm not breaking anything by having done it wrong. Thank you 🙂
bleak mica
Would you prefer the version of the plugin in the build.gralde or in the runelite.properites now?
amber rampart
if you have build=standard it has to be in runelite-plugin.properties
bleak mica
Got it!
amber rampart
since otherwise it gets overwritten
dense furnace
I'm pretty new to open source projects the hub is accumulating quite the PR's probably boosted by accessibility through LLM's? Im curious how dealing with that on the long term works? Everyone can generate 4 hours of reviewing with 15 minutes of LLM interaction.
sharp knot
It's something that's sort of being figured out
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dense furnace
I can imagine that kind of curious how that will roll out.
dense furnace
Most curious about how you'd marry the difference between repo rules and human time being valued. The rules can be automated easily but fighting AI slop while putting in actual grunt work as a reviewer is something I don't oversee. Are there ideas on this? I am asking thas as an AI anthousiast myself
I'd love to learn on this myself
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native harbor
RektenX - I made that update you commented on my pull. I'm new to Github and all that good stuff. Should be good now, unless there ends up being anything else.
upper valve
the autoreviewer will get to it eventually
reef badger
(it probably will ignore it cuz it's afraid of raid plugins)
grizzled aspen
Most curious about how you'd marry the difference between repo rules and human t...
are you asking from a code quality standpoint? because we don't care about bad code
terrible code just makes it harder to review
but if its done by a robot, whatever
dense furnace
No I mean from a human standpoint, I haven't been grilled on function level optimisations during review ever so I am not considering that a metric. But I can see how spending time and taking accountability for code merged into the hub for hours while the code that's being merged is generated in 15 minutes is a serious issue.
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dense furnace
What I'd like to know is how we as a community want to solve for that, because when I started there was 70 PR's but it just keeps flowing in, we're at like 220 now? I don't want the reviewers to feel like they're pushing a ball up the mountain while I also want people to feel interested in releasing code, I optimistically want both to be solved.
amber rampart
the last 8 prs were merged entirely by a machine
dense furnace
That's dope is there a standard for makign that happen? could I optimise my own PR's for that let's say?
And how would you go about safety here? if the decision is immediate bad actors could optimise towards those decisions
native harbor
(it probably will ignore it cuz it's afraid of raid plugins)
It's just the name, since Raids are the more endgame. The plugin itself is utilized for literally any group content in the game.
amber rampart
And how would you go about safety here? if the decision is immediate bad actors ...
there is static analysis it has to pass before its given to the ai
jolly hearth
how does the automated plugin review work with build=standard? I used the standard build.gradle and set the value in .properties, actions have ran and passed but PR is open still
jolly hearth
oh that's fine, ty 🙂
native harbor
the autoreviewer will get to it eventually
I do apologize if this has been answered or, if I am asking a 'stupid' question - How does the autoreviewer work exactly? How will I know it's got to the plugin?
upper valve
you won't
rancid marten
we will see if it decides it doesnt like the plugin, but you cant tell
dense furnace
So it's a black box?
rancid marten
i mean its a black box to us in many ways since its largely an llm..
jolly hearth
presumably you'd comment to let the author know?
native harbor
Then I assume if it decides it doesn't like the plugin - I will then receive feedback from a reviewer on what needs to be changed/edited?
rancid marten
we could do that maybe, all of this tech has existed for like less than a day largely
its very new
im probably going to turn it off when i go to sleep
dense furnace
I mean that's fair, I can only imagine the pressure on the repos
native harbor
I know having to review everyones code and functions are a lot. So, it takes time. I am only asking as I uploaded the request on March 12.
reef badger
Then I assume if it decides it doesn't like the plugin - I will then receive fee...
it could be over cautious and not actually have a problem, and when a human reviews it they can recognize what it's mad about not actually being a problem
rancid marten
ideally this frees up reviewers to look at the plugins which actually need human review and just overall helps
dense furnace
Is there a way we could access to metrics to provide value? I'd love to contribute I just don't really know what to
rancid marten
what metrics
native harbor
Okay - I will just continue to be patient.
rancid marten
Okay - I will just continue to be patient.
which pr is it?
dense furnace
The metrics in which you'd decide any commit to be successful from the perspective of a reviewer?
Or a human would
native harbor
which pr is it?
rancid marten
it's too big/ i have the token limit set pretty low because i'm unsure of the impact on my credit card
so it won't scan it
dense furnace
What if I could condense token usage to a 32kb session initiated from nothing?
rancid marten
i dont know what that means
dense furnace
If token usage is a constraint especially at scale I developed a protocol solving this exact issue, transferring LLM knowledge across harness/repo/machine
Creating my plugin was exactly why I created it, because it was hard as shit continueing session between machines introducing vulkan
rancid marten
i dont own the hardware running the llm
rancid marten
but we don't have problems continuing sessions between machines. that isnt something we want
dense furnace
That was the whole point
Alright then I don't have additional value
I responded to the token creditcard statement and assumed that would bottleneck scale.
rancid marten
I just wanted an upper bound on the price-per-review, and then I rate limit the reviews-per-day and then I understand what it is I am paying basically
at worst
dense furnace
Yeah so that would be context bound?
You'd have any model interpret the setup and evaluate that context token based against any result? or at least your own prompt
native harbor
@rancid marten Once you're able to resolve this issue with devulders - I'm going to go grab some food. I provided the PR above. Once you have any information, just tag me so I can find it easily when I get back.
rancid marten
<@143183183322677248> Once you're able to resolve this issue with devulders - I'...
we just need a human reviewer to read it like I said, unless you can make it a lot smaller lol
dense furnace
I'm annoyed with the fact that capability to get merged is based on size, I get the constraints but there has to be a way to push that forward without removing the value from reviewers
jolly hearth
it could always just be reverted back to normal, where you have to wait for a human to review it regardless of size
grizzled aspen
this has been live for less than a day. let it work itself out before figuring out more. this isn't the end product.
upper valve
yeah this is not replacing any manual reviewers. it's like 8 hours old, things will change
reef badger
it could always just be reverted back to normal, where you have to wait for a hu...
size still mattered then tbh
upper valve
right
dense furnace
I am actually sticking up for you guys, size as the metric seems to be sour on both ends. I want reviewers to feel valuable in their roles as they're doing the actual work LLM's is what's happening and we're in a position to marry the two so I just get frustrated with the automated system being based on size again.
rancid marten
I dont want someone to push a plugin with 100m lines of code and burn all my tokens
dense furnace
I get that a small size is easier to automate and review I just don't see smaller sizes happening with the accessibility of LLM's
Of course not so let's solve that issue, how would we do that?! that's what I am trying to figure out so I can contribute
sharp knot
This is just beginning to get rolled out, things will change as lessons are learned
grizzled aspen
you don't need to solve anything right now
rancid marten
im sure that ill increase the token limit probably later
i want to observe it for awhile as it is
and also we want to look into ways to allow it to merge plugins which it can't currently due to requiring maintainer review
dense furnace
Isn't that a race to the bottom though? you're hosting the biggest client of osrs while community gets access to cheaper code and PR's, that's not scalable
pseudo rapids
I get that a small size is easier to automate and review I just don't see smalle...
There are small plugins being added constantly for any kind of QoL, idk what you mean by this
dense furnace
I mean that's it's not viable at scale not that's it's not valuable
grizzled aspen
this is the start to fixing that. we know this that is why this is being tried out
amber rampart
and if becomes a problem that people are submitting 100k lines of slop non stop we can just stop allowing that
dense furnace
How would that fix anything? You didn't need LLM's to stop a 100k slop lines why is that a constraint now?
grizzled aspen
you seem to want to solve the size problem immediately but the majority of plugins are not causing those issues so idk why that needs to be solved now.
amber rampart
the point is the size of individual plugins is not the problem
and if it becomes a problem we can fix it
dense furnace
The point is that the health of this project is people from every perspective are adding value, but LLM's are throwing a massive wrench in that, reviewers are under valued for their time, code isn't optimised and PR's are filling up with people being upset it doesn't get merged
I'm just being critical of the size metric for automated review, not because I want my slop to be merged yesterday but because it doesn't scale
grizzled aspen
you've repeated the same point over and over. the size is not a metric.
dense furnace
It is though you're wrong
jolly hearth
but again, you're rushing the progress of a system that's literally only been tested out just now
grizzled aspen
ok
dense furnace
I'm not rushing anything
I want a scalable solution that solved for all perspectives
rancid marten
where we are today is like 1000x better than where we were yesterday
dense furnace
and I want to know where I can contribute
amber rampart
stop complaining it isn't perfect
sharp knot
You want the thing that is actively being explored
reef badger
the only scalable solution for what u want is to block AI submissions and i doubt you want that
so you gotta stop
sharp knot
and I want to know where I can contribute
Right now you can't
Which I think Pine mentioned
dense furnace
and I want to know where I can contribute
This is undeniably true but that might mean we still have 1000x to go
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dense furnace
I'm not complaining ffs
I am passionate about this because I get the issue and I want to fix it
grizzled aspen
you've been told repeatedly there is nothing you can do.
rancid marten
you are like 20 steps ahead of us atm, I am not even entirely convinced that the bot works yet
twin rover
so off topic from the above - would it be smart if i submit close to the size limit for the ai review for a first pr, then update with the rest ? would that do a 2nd ai review or be manual?
dense furnace
so off topic from the above - would it be smart if i submit close to the size li...
Yes of course that would be smart that's the whole constraint of the size
rancid marten
that wouldnt work since it doesnt look at deltas, so when you submitted the rest it would be too big.
dense furnace
That changes things quite a bit lol
jolly hearth
presumably because it needs to check the code as a whole
rancid marten
if it didnt it would have to have context of the previous contents basically yeah
dense furnace
So the context of the evaluation would cap the project size that's not scalable
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twin rover
hmm it might work a bit better just the way my code can be split, the core part of it could fit in the ai review , the secondary part of the code can be a standalone update independantly, but im sure the second part would be to big for ai anyways, way to many polygon coords lol
dense furnace
That's how human reviews would work yes.
sharp knot
You're confusing people more than helping right now tbh
pseudo rapids
Just do semicolons without lineshifts after, AI PR hack
dense furnace
You're confusing people more than helping right now tbh
Alright let me step out at this point, I'm heated about this topic
sharp knot
hmm it might work a bit better just the way my code can be split, the core part ...
If it's just a bunch of ~static data you can put it in a separate branch of your repo and have the plugin download that at startup, then it doesn't affect review
amber rampart
it would also prevent it from getting auto reviewed since it would now be doing networking
dense furnace
See? so both aren't solved
grizzled aspen
you realize that building at scale doesn't mean you solve for full scale immediately right. you seem to be ignoring everything that people are saying and trying to say we should solve this
dense furnace
Not at all you are misinterpreting my feedback
amber rampart
your feed back is irrelevant and not helpful
it intentionally only handles a subset of prs
it will gain capabilities in time
dense furnace
Sure, let me withdraw until it becomes relevant to my PR only
You're solving for a problem that won't reduce the pressure on reviewers while also not allowing owners to increase the size of their contributions, I get that I don't have the full solution ready but that doesn't invalidate my feedback.
sharp knot
The size limitation is what it is right now because this is brand new, as has been explained
amber rampart
allowing owners to increase the size of their contributions,
this is not our goal
grizzled aspen
You're solving for a problem that won't reduce the pressure on reviewers
This is just simply untrue. Considering you don't know how our process works I don't know how you could come to this conclusion
dense furnace
Yes and I would like to understand the context layer and constraints fed to that LLM so I might contribute, that was my core question, if that is not open yet I'll just wait
amber rampart
you can't contribute to this
the best thing you can do is write good code in your plugin hub plugins
dense furnace
> You're solving for a problem that won't reduce the pressure on reviewers
This...
I came to this conclusion by seeing 220 PR's open where 2 weeks ago it was 70
jolly hearth
how many "no"s make a "yes"?
reef badger
twelve
dense furnace
tweleven't
rancid marten
I dont think there were 70 prs open 2 weeks ago lol
(do we have a graph of open prs over time?)
neon haven
it's also leagues time -> will always be busier for PRs
dense furnace
You're right it was when I first submitted probably 4 - 6 weeks ago I was being hyperbolic
sharp knot
3 1/2 pages of open hub PRs were in the last two weeks it looks like
twin rover
sir this channel is for development not squabbling
dense furnace
Is it even an issue that's trying to be solved or am I just being frustrated about something you guys don't give a F about?
because if that's the case let me yield really fast
grizzled aspen
you're simply ignoring everything everyone has said to you
sharp knot
You're saying we don't care about something as it's actively being worked on. If that's your perception I'm not sure what can be done about that
grizzled aspen
if you want a real answer theres no way your plugin is going to be looked at by an llm review bot any time soon considering you changed dependencies which is like multiple problems away
rancid marten
isnt it just the vulkan dependency?
dense furnace
Every single one of you completely missed my point but sure let me just wait for the review
grizzled aspen
no, we know what your point is
rancid marten
i still dont really understand your point
jolly hearth
there were 131 plugin hub PRs open on March 27th, 53 on Feb 27th
(from archive,org captures of the plugin-hub repo)
dense furnace
Close my PR at this point my point was never to push towards quicker resolution of my plugin
rancid marten
like today we've made a change that I think a reasonable person would say improves the pluginhub situation, and you appear to be mad because it isn't good enough for you
I have probably hundreds of things i can be doing right now but what I am choosing to do is to try and improve the pluginhub pr situation
so yes, we care about it
dense furnace
And I fully agree that that is a valuable addition, I am mad because I see a very serious issue at scale that won't help to reduce pressure on reviewers but to be honest I don't know if that's something you are solving for that's why I asked for the metrics to contribute towards.
reef badger
isn't it extremely ironic to say you are mad about a problem while being apart of the reason the problem exists
rancid marten
if it is able to take a non-zero percent of prs off the workload of reviewers it is by definition reducing the pressure, if even a little bit, I think
upper valve
how does it "not reduce pressure on reviewers" when it is reviewing plugins
sharp knot
Working on tooling that can review a decent chunk of prs will absolutely relieve some of the pressure on reviewers once it's up and running though
upper valve
yeah i don't understand your claim there
jolly hearth
I think it literally just reduced pressure on the reviewers by reviewing my plugin PR
upper valve
i think there is a bit of a communication / language barrier issue here because we seem to be stating very basic facts that are not being acknowledged. i also personally am having difficulty deciphering a lot of the sentences you are typing here
dense furnace
You're right let me withdraw from this conversation, my criticism was about the size being a limiting factor towards completing a stacking PR list with LLM accessibility, I was trying to get a conversation going on the black box around automated reviews but everything is taken as offence in this, that wasn't my intention. I just didn't see that process scale but I got carried away. I'm out.
glass sandal
(do we have a graph of open prs over time?)
tulip wagon
wow
reef badger
damn it's already been a week unlucky for league cluers
reef badger
wow i hate this
clever basin
neat chart
upper valve
it's funny because we were talking about "oh it feels like it's kind of spiked" what like 2 months ago
and it wasn't even a quarter of this
glass sandal
does gh have an endpoint for this data?
Just using https://api.github.com/repos/{owner}/{repo}/pulls then looking at the dates
thorn grotto
we should have the authors complete a “understanding test” that checks that they know what the rules are
low hatch
tf happened?
upper valve
we should have authors solve 12 leetcode hards on camera
(i wouldn't be submitting any plugins ever again)
native harbor
we just need a human reviewer to read it like I said, unless you can make it a l...
Understandable. I will admit, I did leave some dead code in there from am original build I was doing that had this inside of it. But, I ended up ripping out and making it a standalone. (Apologize about that..) However, I will continue to wait patiently.
grizzled aspen
i'm sure fizzbuzz would be a strong enough barrier to entry
sharp knot
we should have authors solve 12 leetcode hards on camera
What are you the Epic interview?
sharp knot
or epic the healthcare thing
This one
dense furnace
This is my blood pressure chart
upper valve
you know i had an interview for them like over a decade ago
sharp knot
4 hour on camera interview with nobody else allowed in the room was crazy, idk what it's like now and I'm scared to apply again
worthy sparrow
I think epic is the place I interviewed at and the recruiter called me regarded
dense furnace
Gz on getting hired then
neon haven
must just be a thing in that space, there's a similar company in the uk (the phoenix partnership) and I've heard some real horror stories
worthy sparrow
No it was a college internship and they offered me a new interview and said they fired that agency, didn't take it
bold pivot
All I know is epic does a horrible job handling new api requests for their b2b users
bleak mica
@tulip wagon Would you be available here to have a quick chat about the comment you made about our gradle file?
tulip wagon
yep
rancid marten
you can probably just use build=standard?
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bleak mica
So I'm slightly confused about it now, if the built standard replaces our build.gradle with the RuneLite template there's nothing custom that will be run or included in the final run right?
I delibaretly scoped all of our custom stuff as tests, and excluded them from the main test path so they would only be invoked via a direct gralde task.
rancid marten
with build=standard we dont load any of your build.gradle at all, so then we dont really have to look at it
bleak mica
Except for the cahce dumpers, the rest is integrated in our own CI and needs the gradle integradiation ideally to run the tests
tulip wagon
I don't like that you're messing this heavily with the gradle scripts whether it gets overwritten by build=standard or not, tbh
bleak mica
Our main build.gradle is very plain
twin rover
full disclosure, i used ai to remove the 2nd stage of my code so the ai review can handle the first part of it. if ya cant beat em, join em
tulip wagon
what I described still puts everything outside the main build/test path and is a lot simpler
rancid marten
Except for the cahce dumpers, the rest is integrated in our own CI and needs the...
this is fine, when we package your plugin using the standard build.gradle we dont run your tests
bleak mica
what I described still puts everything outside the main build/test path and is a...
I don't feel it is if I'm honest. Either way we need to add code to our main gradle file to either exclude the tests, which we do now, or add a java class that creates the task file which feels kinda cluncky
The way it's set up now that our custom gradle tasks get an apply at the end of build.gradle to include them in our repo which will be fully overwirtten by the custom build.gradle that will get applied now
tulip wagon
you don't need to exclude it from test in your main gradle if it's in a different source set, that was my whole point
you submitted a 14k loc diff and I'm asking you to make a change that makes it easier on me to read, can you meet me partway?
bleak mica
Oh I willing to help, I'm just trying to understand
I don't see how adding that would eliminate most of the LOC
The bulk is already in the test package, as they are dashboard/profiling related which is very tightly coupled to the main plugin
tulip wagon
but nothing about this is actually part of the build, which is gradle's purpose
bleak mica
If I can make it easier I would love to, I already felt bad submitting such a huge diff lol
tulip wagon
it's a manual scraper step that could be run without a few hundred lines of gradle
bleak mica
Oh you mean specifically the cache dumpers?
tulip wagon
and dashboard
bleak mica
Those I can rework, that shouldn't be too hard. The dashboard.gralde is very entangled with the plugin as it uses all parts of the main plugin
tulip wagon
you already have bash scripts and python scripts intertwined with it, you could even just call java -cp ... or something from your bash script lol
or change it from a junit test to a public static void main entrypoint
bleak mica
But that wouldn't actually change the diff, though right?
I'm also trying to keep things working on our end haha
tulip wagon
My complaint wasn't the diff, it was using gradle so heavily
bleak mica
We have two tools that would break if we change that
tulip wagon
the diff being so big is just context on why i'd prefer if it's easier to read
if you want to be really kind, just get all the generating and scraping stuff out of the main repo entirely
if you generate it in a separate repo/branch and then just fetch the assets from github on startup then you can do whatever you want over there in any way you want, i will never read it
bleak mica
Yeah, I'm with you. It wasn't my first preference to include it in the main repo either
But I wasn't gonna undo some volunteers hard work
tulip wagon
if this is ever going to change in the future, it's probably worth the lift now vs getting 2-month long review times on gargantuan diffs
bleak mica
The scarping stuff I'll get out, that's not too bad
The dashboard stuff will be more difficult due to its tight coupling and CI integration. It's setup do to perfromance regression testing now
tulip wagon
not-enough-runes uses https://github.com/Hannah-GBS/runelite-wiki-scraper to put everything on the wiki-data branch https://github.com/Hannah-GBS/runelite-wiki-scraper/tree/wiki-data/output, everything from a bunch of jsons to a full sqlite db, which is then just pulled on startup https://github.com/Hannah-GBS/notenoughrunes/blob/main/src/main/java/com/notenoughrunes/db/H2DbFetcher.java#L82
bleak mica
I'll have a look if we can get it done
We were on the impression as well that the test package was not as relevant due it not being shipped in the first place
All the logic is kept out of main for that reason
tulip wagon
it still gets included in the diff loc number, which is basically the primary factor in determining how quickly the plugin is reviewed
bleak mica
That's fair
tulip wagon
most reviewers just never look at size-xl, and it takes me a long time to get around to them
bleak mica
Yeah I totally get that
tulip wagon
where is the web dashboard generated? https://skretzo.github.io/shortest-path/ is that done in this repo?
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bleak mica
That's the dashboard.gradle
bleak mica
Yeah that one is difficult haha
We worked hard on getting some tool to help us visually trouble shoot our algorithms, but I understand it's a lot to review
tulip wagon
if you're willing to take on a bit of a bigger change here, i'm happy to advise on how to pull it all out of the repo while still letting it pull from the repo source
bleak mica
But only the csv files for that would save 1k diff
bleak mica
if you're willing to take on a bit of a bigger change here, i'm happy to advise ...
That's what I'm thinking
I might embed them as git submodules
tulip wagon
don't do submodules
bleak mica
They get pulled in to?
tulip wagon
they might fail the build? idr
bleak mica
They shouldn't
tulip wagon
on checkout
bleak mica
I just dropped in the base build.gradle from the plugin example repo and everything was fine
tulip wagon
so if i understand you correctly, what you have in dashboard relies on a bunch of stuff in the plugin right?
ok, you're completely misunderstanding the whole point of what i'm saying
bleak mica
It uses the whole pathfinding algorithm
bleak mica
ok, you're completely misunderstanding the whole point of what i'm saying
I think so hahaha
tulip wagon
at no point am i saying that what you submitted won't work, i'm saying it's a horrible submission to review
bleak mica
Oh yeah, that I understand
I thought by pulling the dashboard out, adding that as submodules it won't acutally change the main plugin
tulip wagon
and i'm trying to give you advice on how to make the plugin more standalone, so that it is easier to review, gets quicker reviews, and your code is more modularized
bleak mica
Then we can just pull the submodules in on our end and run CI
tulip wagon
so just please, like, slow down for a minute and let me explain?
i didn't even get to my proposal and you're off on submodules
just because the dashboard relies on code that's in the plugin doesn't mean it needs to live in the repo. it's easily a couple thousand lines of code on its own, which is already bigger than most plugins' entirety
does it depend on other code in the tests? or is it standalone within the tests?
bleak mica
Yea that’s what I meant
Move all the dashboard and scraping code to its own repo
I just decoupled it from the tests, it just to be integrated but I didn’t like that to begin with
tulip wagon
ok, so that could go entirely in its own repo, and you can pull in the plugin code as a dependency instead
bleak mica
I wanted to know if when the code gets checked out on your side if does so recursively so that git submodules get pulled in too
amber rampart
it does not
bleak mica
Cool, then I’ll reorganize it like that instead
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thorn grotto
why dashboard as submodule and not plugin as submodule
bleak mica
Yeah, either could work. I'm just seeing what works well with our setup.
tulip wagon
just keep the plugin repo as simple as possible
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tulip wagon
whatever you create somewhere else doesn't need to be reviewed, it can be as messy as it needs
bleak mica
Yes, very fair. Thanks for the input!
Sorry if I came off too harsh, not my intention
bleak mica
Should be good now, thanks for pointing me in the right direction
twin rover
hmm starting to think the ai review doesnt like my pet plugin, any way to see if its an issue on my end?
amber rampart
it doesn't like that due to a bug on our end, we will fix it
twin rover
ahh sounds good, no rush. thanks 🙂
granite quest
ooo an llm reviwer. Is there a label on the pluginhub PRs so I can see it in action?
worthy sparrow
no it's pretty rate limited
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granite quest
Does it leave comments on certain size PRs? I just wanna see the output
amber rampart
no
it will log to us why it thinks something should/should not be merged, but it doesn't post it anywhere public
granite quest
I see, are you guys using a certain software solution for PR review or is it entirely custom?
amber rampart
its custom
granite quest
Nice! Any plans to release it so we can “self-review” our own PRs before opening them?
Then I can at least use my own tokens
muted bone
this^
granite quest
I understand it’s very new atm
amber rampart
no, we intend to keep it private since it makes it harder to build something to confuse/bypass it
twin rover
I assume it would be similar to just dumping your own code into a llm and give it some rules to follow (jagex/runelites) if you wanted to tedt your own
granite quest
People really would intentionally bypass it to cut in line? Bummer since these tokens aren’t gonna get cheaper
amber rampart
I mean bypass it to make it merge something that it shouldn't
granite quest
Duh, of course.
granite quest
I assume it would be similar to just dumping your own code into a llm and give i...
Definitely easier said than done especially with how sycophantic llms are. It’ll always find something to recommend
twin rover
Not too hard as long as youre specific on what to look for, its not like youre getting it to write the whole thing
On that note , should we be adding the build=standard to older plugins for future use?
amber rampart
you have to add a build=<standard|gradle> to update a plugin
otherwise the pr will fail
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low hatch
The review bot hates me
amber rampart
its only looking at small plugins currently
low hatch
I thought so. That's why I pulled up the closed commits and saw that recent one was labeled as size-l. Though now I am assuming you mean the total repo size and not just the commit itself.
amber rampart
yeah it looks at the whole plugin
low hatch
Got it, thanks!
deft hatch
Is it technically possible to zoom out a bit more than the current maximum? i.e. what is the limit for client.setMinimapZoom?
amber rampart
It could probably go out farther, but you would probably start noticing the perf impact
amber rampart
performance
it doesn't cache like vanilla's does since it would take way more memory at high zoom in
so it has to redraw the whole thing per frame
pseudo rapids
Any plans on adding the "leagues overlays" to movable widgets? Fervour cooldown for instance seems to be spawned by script5935 -> 5936, but idk how to modify what widgets can be moved
I mean it's not only used for leagues, but most of those are reserved for enhanced client
Might take a look later tonight
worthy sparrow
we generally haven't done that
native notch
I have an open PR in the Runelite repo which also has a lot of PR's open. My change is small, would it be faster to cancel that PR and make a separate plugin for it?
quick path
What is the pr?
ember flareBOT
rancid marten
ahh sounds good, no rush. thanks 🙂
i fixed this now
upper valve
nature is healing!
fading iris
Right now, I have a plugin with notifications set as booleans in the config. I'd like to change those to be proper Notifications.
In the config, I want to change default boolean notifyEvent() { return true; } to default Notification notifyEvent() { return Notification.ON; }
Will people's settings for these items be saved through the type change? I don't plan to change the name of these config items
upper valve
I am 90% sure it does migrate those, yes. I believe I did a PR for easy giants foundry for that same thing a while ago
rancid marten
yeah there is special support for migrating from booleans to Notifications
fading iris
amazing, thank you!
rancid marten
im surprised prs are still coming through in #github since github isnt showing them anymore lol
warm crescent
Is there a coffee donation link for devs besides general funds for joining the Patreon?
warm crescent
specifically for RL devs
rancid marten
no, just the patreon
hollow lintel
Not really sure how this part of github works but what causes the linked PR not to show up in the commit log for the plugin hub repo? I kinda used this to stay up to date with new plugins/updates and sometimes in the past it wouldn't be linked, and now with the new bot/ai reviews it never links. Is that something that is configurable on the bots end?
sinful lava
You can click the text "create prevent-minimap-reset" and see the PR number there
hollow lintel
Did not know that, ty. That helps
rancid marten
https://www.githubstatus.com/ the entire pr stuff is totally dead for me atm
sinful lava
i might just be lying too, that might be an extension 
hollow lintel
nah that works 👍
sinful lava
ok sweet
hollow lintel
Well you know, it would work if github worked atm
glass sandal
https://www.githubstatus.com/ the entire pr stuff is totally dead for me atm
If I refresh enough sometimes it shows up. But it's mostly dead
twin rover
Thanks for the fix adam.
Also just checking, for updates. Does the ai check the entire code again or just the new commits?
sharp knot
Everything afaik
twin rover
Damn, was gonna split it up into segments so reviewers had less work lol, sorry in advance boys
left bolt
Test
Dub
So I fixed a bug abt to test my fix how do I make whoever reviewing the fix life easier
Or what should I know
I read wiki article
worthy sparrow
Don't submit code you don't need
left bolt
Don't submit code you don't need
Obviously lol would attaching a video displaying the fixes working correctly or something be helpful?
worthy sparrow
Not really
thorn grotto
hub plugin? we just care about the code not breaking rules
so the less code you change the better
upper valve
we don't review hub plugins for correctness or test them at all
fading iris
Is there an (acceptable) way to have a chat command pass information that isn't stored in hiscores to other people with the same plugin?
e.g. number of fish sent to a ship's cargo hold
tulip wagon
you need somewhere for the data to sit that is accessible by other clients
fading iris
Hmm, okay, Would it be allowed to just resolve that count locally and send the literal string with the counts? Maybe that's just auto-typing though 😬
tulip wagon
that is autotyping
fading iris
Got it, I will not do that. Thanks!
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lucid frost
Is requiring the build flag in the properties a new requirement?
rancid marten
i think prs will fail without it
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left bolt
How many accepted PRs do I need to complete to be considered a contributor
rancid marten
enough that you show up in https://github.com/runelite/plugin-hub/graphs/contributors
tulip wagon
the github api only returns the top 500
tulip wagon
top 100? that's rough
left bolt
Hmm
left bolt
Soo like is it the top 500 or top 100?
lucid frost
i think prs will fail without it
Right, my latest failed initial checks and I’ve never had that fail due to the build flag before so that’s the reason I’m asking. Was just curious
tulip wagon
or have dependencies
ember flareBOT
tulip wagon
that aren't runelite/lombok
glass sandal
it might be 500
It's 500
tulip wagon
yeah 500 with api
left bolt
Okay bet
rancid marten
if we were smart we would make the bot cross reference commit authors with /ghauth people
but oh well
left bolt
Ill get on that after the gym lmao Im lowkey doing this for the free 6months of claude max x20 but also may get back into RuneScape as I bought a month to do this 🤭
Havent played in like 4 years
I have a 25yr vet acc tho on rs3
rancid marten
how do you get free claude max from it?
neon haven
tulip wagon
You’re a *primary maintainer or core team member *
left bolt
how do you get free claude max from it?
You should do it if you havent
Honestly everyone here should
Read it again
rancid marten
not quite sure "obscure runelite plugin" is something "the ecosystem quietly depends on" but ok
left bolt
It says the second part Id assume this repos big enough
You miss every shot you dont take ahahha
I guarantee you would get it Adam
tulip wagon
runelite/plugin-hub also does not have 5,000 stars
left bolt
What does runelite have?
neon haven
not quite sure "obscure runelite plugin" is something "the ecosystem quietly dep...
maybe you could argue that half the software world are playing osrs on 2nd monitor 😂
rancid marten
fun fact runelite has more forks than stars
tulip wagon
an open pr is not a contribution
please don't spam us with stuff that won't be accepted
tulip wagon
"they work" is not our criteria
rancid marten
i dont really want 5 contributions from you if you are just trying to farm free claude points
left bolt
You can be the judge of my code feel free to
Im not fixing major bugs but smaller ones for now, like menu errors etc
tulip wagon
you can be the judge
... yeah, that's what you're asking for by opening a pr
left bolt
Well this was also assigned as a school project so Im killing two birds with one stone
tulip wagon
judging the work is not zero-effort, seriously please just don't
glass sandal
https://github.com/runelite/runelite/compare/master...DukeSchnepf:runelite:spellbook-fix-19572
You would have to PR your changes to be reviewed
Oh I saw you did, nvm
left bolt
judging the work is not zero-effort, seriously please just don't
Im aware how GitHub works 🤣… dont review my code then, honestly zero sweat off my back
Im just trying to help
grizzled aspen
spamming AI generated code as PRs is not helping
left bolt
Honestly whats your deal 🤣
tulip wagon
i'm not gonna sit here and argue with you on it but the if the lead maintainer of a project says "I don't want 5 contributions from you" then don't contribute?
left bolt
Tis a open world :), he can speak for himself I didnt know you were such a snob in here.
tulip wagon
i dont really want 5 contributions from you if you are just trying to farm free ...
he did
tulip wagon
you're denser than a rock
left bolt
Why are you arguing anyways? Is this how you treat anyone who tries to help:)?
Super friendly 👍… Kind of a shame, how about you don’t review my code don’t accept the PRs and move on if you don’t like it?
oak rock
thats such a weird take
left bolt
Im also sure you could remove my github from the project and not allow commits 🙂
oak rock
"i know you dont want this, so im doing it anyways, why are you mad about it"
left bolt
Brother how are you white knighting 🤣?
low hatch
you're denser than a rock
He should ask Claude what your intensions are :^)
low hatch
Sorry I can't spell
rancid marten
interesting it liked that plugin but didn't like the other one to hide npcs from 1defence
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prisma hornet
I just started using my custom sound mod again and I've realised that it's treating healing hitsplats the same as damage ones. Is there any way I can differentiate those in code? Is a damaging hitsplat possiby a negative number, and a healing hitsplat a positive or vv?
tulip wagon
not all types are listed, but you can check id manually as well
or maybe they are all listed idk, it's been a while
prisma hornet
ohhhhh damn ok i didnt see this in documentation tyty
holy hell im rusty i dont even know how to invoke this 💔 🥀
glass sandal
Are you using onHitsplatApplied?
prisma hornet
ye
glass sandal
private void onHitsplatApplied(HitsplatApplied e)
if (e.getHitsplat().getHitsplatType() == HitsplatID.HEAL)
{
//do stuff
}
}
uhuuuuuuuh ok thank you very much sir
granite quest
https://claude.com/contact-sales/claude-for-oss
This is good to know about actually but make sure to read the terms and conditions first...
You have merge access (write or admin permissions) to that repository
In case anyone was going to apply lol
prisma hornet
are the ME types for hitsplats done to me and OTHER everything/everyone else?
tulip wagon
done by me
prisma hornet
but then HEAL should be heals on you right? since its not in isMine or isOthers
tulip wagon
no i think it's just not mapped in those functions
prisma hornet
yeah true
prisma hornet
cause i just tried != HitsplatID.HEAL and it isnt tripping
rather it is and its still playing a sound
tulip wagon
log the numbers, it might be something not in that list
prisma hornet
how could i check the hitsplat ids/log them? sorry im giga new to java/runelite
tulip wagon
log.debug("hitsplat id is {}", hitsplat.getId()) or whatever
broadly though, this channel isn't really a java help forum
we use slf4j for logging, and you can use any other debugger as well to help you out, i'd recommend learning the debugger
https://www.slf4j.org/manual.html
https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/debugging-code.html
prisma hornet
Prayge thanks that should be all i need
deft hatch
runelite/plugin-hub also does not have 5,000 stars
I'm sure reddit would be happy to get runelite/plugin-hub to 5,000 stars if needed
restive garnet
Stars don't mean anything, why would there need to be a campaign to get them
glass sandal
Its the requirements of the Claude Max thing
You’re a primary maintainer or core team member of a public repo with 5,000+ GitHub stars or 1M+ monthly NPM downloads.
restive garnet
I suppose anything that drains the coffers of AI companies helps...?
Not that making plugins makes you a primary maintainer or core team member of the repo, though.
glass sandal
It's the small details
restive garnet
I do appreciate the irony of people burning tokens on PRs to be considered as part of the maintainers to get more tokens
upper valve
@desert fulcrum do you still need https://github.com/runelite/plugin-hub/pull/11246 ? it's just sitting in a draft state
remote snow
Is the place coop is pulling these object IDs from somewhere on the wiki that I can find? Would like to not have to run an entry tob up to sote to get the object id for the maze tiles
desert fulcrum
<@222820662564093953> do you still need https://github.com/runelite/plugin-hub/p...
sorry i found a bug and havent gotten around to fix it
ill ready when its fixed
oak rock
Is the place coop is pulling these object IDs from somewhere on the wiki that I ...
You can blacklist the region the same way the object-hider plugin does atm
snow needle
Is there a bug in hub active install counting? Everything is spiking like crazy in the last few hours.
rancid marten
not that im aware of
snow needle
Something very unnatural looking is happening.
snow needle
That graph looks very different than the count
rancid marten
its a graph of requests
they sync up sort of due to the game restart this morning so it is in spikes i guess
snow needle
Yeah maybe there's no spike in requests. I'm saying the count on the hub is going up unnaturally
oak rock
is it some plugin that people would be using for leagues, its been a week so could be due to that
snow needle
No I checked a bunch of unrelated plugins and all are spiking
oak rock
or its people like me who havent booted the client in a year since last league
rancid marten
i dont think the count can spike without the requests spiking?
snow needle
reef badger
a lot of people dupe the existing profile and then make the leagues specific changes, so they'd still have all their unrelated to* leagues plugins
snow needle
this is the last month of data and the spike is in the last few hours
the league bump is very obvious; this is something else.
oak rock
that does appear odd
rancid marten
i dont have any data of the actual counts, only of the requests
what are these graphs of?
snow needle
Active install count
rancid marten
why are there 3 different graphs each with a different number?
snow needle
From https://runelite.phyce.dev/quest-helper?range=month; the numbers match the hub
those are the top 3 plugins which I chose to highlight that the issue is affecting everything
upper valve
pretty sure it always drops at like 8pm eastern and then slowly climbs back up
its done that for as long as i can remember
snow needle
That is clearly not what is happening in this case
upper valve
? i see slow climb, drop, slow climb, drop, repeat
pseudo rapids
Think he is referring to the far right of each graph
oak rock
the climb is quite different at the very end though
snow needle
look at the right side of the graph; that's what I'm calling out
pseudo rapids
It seems like every plugin is currently at their all time high
twin rover
Hmm did notice my plugin also went from 500 to 670 in the past 6h
pseudo rapids
Despite playercounts not being higher than normal
upper valve
oh wow 850k installs on quest helper lmao
stuck shale
Wow that must be why I am seeing so many more ghosts on Jeb!Scape
rancid marten
the request rate definitely looks in normal ranges
snow needle
Request rate being normal makes the spike in active installs even more suspicious.
Where are these hundreds of thousands of installs coming from?
rancid marten
they have to come from a request, it wont just make them up, though
pseudo rapids
How long before a client goes from active to inactive?
snow needle
7 days
rancid marten
do you know of a plugin that normally has very low or almost no install count, that now has a bunch?
twin rover
Does mine count? Roughly 20% increase
rancid marten
i want one with actual numbers
sharp knot
Combat achievement exporter has jumped about 40% since last I looked (1k-1.1k to 1.4k right now)
Focus mute usually hovers around 300something as well and it's up to 553
Lemme see if I took a note last time I looked though
snow needle
Here's a random one that was marked as "fast growing" by that website. Same unnatural growth.
https://runelite.phyce.dev/top/relative if you click any of the "stats" buttons you see the same pattern
rancid marten
do you know the name of it
snow needle
"Chanceman Tracker Sync"
rancid marten
chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync?
snow needle
yes
oak rock
what if the reset is not resetting anymore
snow needle
Reset happens once a day in ~5 hours, right?
oak rock
idk tbh
rancid marten
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-28
(integer) 74
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-27
(integer) 60
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-26
(integer) 59
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-25
(integer) 54
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-24
(integer) 58
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-23
(integer) 58
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-22
(integer) 62
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-21
(integer) 60
127.0.0.1:6379> PFCOUNT PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-28 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-27 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-26 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-25 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-24 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-23 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-22 PFCOUNT pluginhub.chanceman-tracker-runelite-sync.2026-04-21
(integer) 129
i dont have logs of who is claiming to have installed what though
i can dump the hyperloglogs perhaps
upper valve
what does it actually count, is it just from clients that connected in the past x days and they self-report their profiles?
rancid marten
its a hyperloglog of ip addresses
one for each day
and then i union them over 7 days (or really its 8 i think) to get the week count
maybe a large isp rotated a bunch of ips?
snow needle
I guess a large ISP change is the most probable
That graph of requests you posted earlier is QPS?
rancid marten
yeah averaged over like 5mins I think
snow needle
Is that request per plugin or some kind of batch?
rancid marten
its a batch
snow needle
I guess wait and see if it levels off.
ember flareBOT
rancid marten
we could make it write a random uuid to ~/.runelite and use that instead of ip maybe
snow needle
Think how many GDPR issues AI is going to open if you do that 😨
rugged pivot
maybe a large isp rotated a bunch of ips?
idk if its related but a large british ISP had an outage ~6 hours ago
ember flareBOT
arctic surge
Make the PR with the fix, if you don't get a respone request contributor, if you...
is the timeframe for each step here like ~1 week?
so like no PR review in 1 week, request contributor, no response in 1 week, continue with takeover process
sharp knot
I think it's a bit longer than that
Last step is two weeks
https://github.com/runelite/runelite/wiki/Plugin-takeover-policy
arctic surge
yea so the whole process is going to be quite long... but I was asking about the 1st step though
the author has not acknowledged any issues in months, unresponsive to discord pings in this channel, so I fixed the bug myself and opened a PR to fix it
cooper said that if I don't get a response I should request contributor, and if I don't get a response again, takeover the plugin
but for those "if I don't get a response" parts there, what is the appropriate time to wait? I don't believe that's explained
pseudo rapids
Did you try DMing them
arctic surge
uh no ill go shoot him a dm too I guess
pseudo rapids
My takeover took only a couple days because the old owner came by here to say they're fine with me taking it over
upper valve
yea so the whole process is going to be quite long... but I was asking about the...
i believe takeover step 1 is only to open an issue asking for collab? you dont need to wait for a pr to be ignored or anything
arctic surge
ah ok, that's kinda what I was asking about here #development message
I guess I'll see if he responds to that discord DM in a day or 2 and then open the collaborator request issue
upper valve
if he hasnt committed to the repo in 30 days you could open an issue right now
you've clearly tried to communicate imo
arctic surge
Alright fair, I'll do it right now
https://github.com/IEarnSolo/scrollboxcounter/issues/10
Not really sure what to write here but I think this is sufficient 😂
just a yapping/funny question: I'm guessing some of this process, if it has to go down the takeover route, is up to runelite admin discretion? For example, you were saying that having a PR open to fix an issue isn't required here. So some random guy could find an inactive author and just generically request collab access (for no real reason) to begin the whole takeover process 👀
reef badger
idk i guess but it's not really that much effort on our end
just 15 seconds of effort for pajlada every week or so
upper valve
yeah they could do that as you described, don't really see why someone would tho
ember flareBOT
ember flareBOT
ember flareBOT
low hatch
If you can't beat'em, join 'em :^)
late hare
lol honestly with the number of new plugins by ai, prob not a bad idea to have that in the template plugin
probably would end up saving a decent amount of reviewer time (human or AI)
quiet raven
how well does ai actually follow stuff like that tho
late hare
good question, funny thing is i have heard that mentioning what not to do can end up backfiring too because it gives the AI the context of the thing
grizzled aspen
Some guidance from the agents is probably gonna be better than them just running it raw anyways
grave siren
Is there any way to tell if a damage hitsplat done on you came from PVP and not an NPC
late hare
not really
bold pivot
These are pretty much all negative prompts which is a big no-no in AI land. It's like saying to a person, don't think about cake, by bringing up cake you add likelihood of thinking about cake. With AI, you're rolling dice on what neural path the llm will take negative prompts turn into postive allowances on rare occasions.
oak rock
is there a "positive" alternative to preventing those actions then
worthy sparrow
even clankers love positive affirmation
bold pivot
If you think of "rules" as a framework, everything we point out as a negative comes with a postive direction. Don't eat cake, do eat vegetables, meat, and fruits.
Negative rules are just contouring the shape of that postive space by deduction. Call out that desired space in general.
restive garnet
The problem with that is that the space of 'allowed' things is much larger than the space of 'not allowed' things
stuck shale
idk when i vibe coded my stuff it would do stuff i didn't like and i said switch to x instead of y and it would follow that, a rule of "don't calculate in an overlay" should work fine
if it doesn't work then PR a reword/fix for it
it's not like it's a make once document and never fix it
bold pivot
In general it will work just fine, test it out, if you aren't happy with the performance this is something to revisit.
rugged pivot
we'll have to ask the AI review bot how it feels about it
bold pivot
This isn't vibe coding though, you are designing an agent to rely on a specific task and there are best practices when you're going to be running this thousands of times
rancid marten
okay, please provide us with a list of everything possible that you are allowed to do with plugin code
bold pivot
Yeah it's a task
rancid marten
.. its also infinite
rugged pivot
This isn't vibe coding though, you are designing an agent to rely on a specific ...
pretty sure this is for vibecoders because they frequently submit plugins that break these "rules" and don't know how to fix them because they don't know anything about runelite's ecosystem
or java, often
stuck shale
jagex provided a don't list so that's really also all that can be provided + things to avoid(because they make users experience worse)
bold pivot
I would add some anti prompt injection lines in there to at least try to protect against an attack
restive garnet
We do get a surprising number of contributors who don't understand the language they're working in
autumn star
most of the points in the first half do say what to do instead so its not all negative?
oak rock
you can tell the ai to not allow being prompt injected???
bold pivot
This is for vibe coders, this isn't vibe coding
sinful lava
I would add some anti prompt injection lines in there to at least try to protect...
that pr is not used for automated reviews
rancid marten
instead of prompt injection you can just not feed this to your agent