#Personal Simplistic Conlang of jan Najomi

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gusty kelp
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how would you make words?

lime spindle
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Elaborate

gusty kelp
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esperanto drew most of its vocabulary from langs like
german, latin, italian, french, russian, etc.
how will you make vocabulary tawa toki sina

lime spindle
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Oh, I was thinking of drawing it from a multitude of languages

gusty kelp
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natural languages?

lime spindle
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Yes

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Like languages i tried studying before
English, Russian, Spanish (especially Chilean and Rioplatense), Haitian creole, Danish

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I also wanna add more languages from different languages families

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Like languages that arent just from Europe or America
Greenlandic, Amazigh, Māori, Chinese maybe, indonesian, Zulu, Swahili, ect.

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My ideas are
The phonology could be similar to toki pona
Not to much expansion, but...

I cant tell if I should add or remove letters
I was thinking of making the alphabet inspired by some languages like Greenlandic, where they only 3 vowels

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But im extremely debatable and unsure

gusty kelp
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syllable structure would be CV[N]?

lime spindle
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Mmm idk

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I rather just figure out the phonology first

gusty kelp
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ohk

lime spindle
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Soo... have any input?

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Think I should try to limit vowels or keep the 5?

gusty kelp
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having lesser vowels will make words longer

lime spindle
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How so?

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Mmm... should I just keep the 5?

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Well... actually I have an idea

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Could we remove only 1 vowel?

gusty kelp
# lime spindle How so?

hypothetically, let's say you have say just two vowels A and E, your words would need more syllables to make the words unique
so yeah that can lead to longer words the more vocabulary your language gets

lime spindle
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Mmmm

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I will keep the 5 vowels

gusty kelp
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whereas if you have say 12 vowels, you can express 12 unique words with same consonant and syllable structure

lime spindle
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This might sound silly... but i wanna remove S from the language because I have a lisp

gusty kelp
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well it's ur lang lol, go for it

lime spindle
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But idkkk

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I just want it to be appealing to others

gusty kelp
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my old conlangs used to be mostly ciphers lol
but i'd make it in a nuanced way so that to
an avg person it'd seem like a one-way transformation

lime spindle
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A, E, I, O, U
J, K, L, M, N, P, S, W

gusty kelp
lime spindle
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I sort of have

gusty kelp
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pona

lime spindle
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Is anyone able to open that if they wanted to

lime spindle
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Like include D and G too along with much others

gusty kelp
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yeah doesnt work... asks me to sign in
use the share button there

lime spindle
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Share button

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Elaborate

gusty kelp
lime spindle
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Edited

Also I included t

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I edited the doc

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The link should work

gusty kelp
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K

lime spindle
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So... should we expand the consonants?

gusty kelp
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hmmm i was thinking this, we'll expand consonants when we need to
like, we'll start making vocabularies, and when we feel like
"hmm yeah i think we need a consonant for this"
we add it

lime spindle
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Okay

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For now imma make the pronouns

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I... forgot how to make titles... or its different on the device im using

gusty kelp
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what are you on

lime spindle
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Ipad

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Figured it out

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Tomorrow I wanna figure out what rules we should have for the phonology

gusty kelp
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alr

lime spindle
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Actually ill add B, D, and G

stoic jackal
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how is spanish's ser-estar split related to differentiating between verbs, nouns and adjectives? like both "eres aburrido" and "estás aburrido" are a verb followed by an adjective
-# yes these adjectives are technically participles but here they behave as adjectives

lime spindle
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Theyre not
But the idea is inspired by them

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Idk how to explain it
But I just wanted something completely different

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I actually dont know how to explain it lol

obtuse tree
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are you gonna have inflection??

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like you change how a word is spelt/pronounced in different contexts, run/ran/running eg

lime spindle
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No, I want the words to stay the same, just have particles or context to change the meaning

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Similarly in toki pona

gusty kelp
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soo it's an analytical language

lime spindle
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Whats that

obtuse tree
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linguistics nerd stuff

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_language

Analytic language

An analytic language is a type of natural language that uses affixes very rarely but in which a series of root/stem words is accompanied by prepositions, postpositions, particles, and modifiers. This is opposed to synthetic languages, which synthesize many concepts into a single word, using affixes regularly.
In an analytic language, syntactic ...

lime spindle
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Im a linguistics nerd but ive never heard of that

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But also I just haven't been into linguistics heavily in a while

lime spindle
lime spindle
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But I was thinking

Ta could be the word introducing verbs
Se could be the word introducing adjectives and nouns

obtuse tree
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how many words do you want in total?

lime spindle
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I dont know

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Less than 500?... but

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Idk

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I am gonna have things that mean a variety of stuff
But not as vague as toki pona

obtuse tree
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sounds good. kokanu has like 400 and is still pretty easy to learn

lime spindle
obtuse tree
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mi ta kama weka. o pali pona!

lime spindle
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Heheh thanks

gusty kelp
gusty kelp
lime spindle
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Ate - document, book, encyclopedia, newspaper (in some context), deed, certificate
From Dutch akte “document, deed, certificate”

pape - paper, wrapper, cardboard, flat, or anything flat
From English paper

fallen burrow
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oo no fricatives

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why no /g/?

grim ermine
fallen burrow
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actually no it's in there

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fallen burrow
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you should put them in a chart phonemes in alphabetical order is. ick

lime spindle
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Its ick in alphabetical order?

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Eh ill worry about that later

fallen burrow
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yeah idk i'm too ipa brained ig

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looks cool tho!

grim ermine
cunning silo
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Joining partially for inspiration for my own conlang

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obtuse tree
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what are all the letters so far?

lime spindle
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A, E, I, O, U
B, D, G, J, K, L, M, N, P, S, T, W

obtuse tree
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what are your thoughts on dipthongs?

lime spindle
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Mmmm

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Sureee....

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Au, Ai, Ei, Ou, Oi, Ui

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How do you make charts on docs

obtuse tree
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idk

lime spindle
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Figured it out

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I think

obtuse tree
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it sounds like you will be able to have a lot of one syllable words! 11 vowels/dipthongs x 12 consonants = 132 possible syllables, and thats not even counting nasal endings!

lime spindle
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I coukd just use w and j

obtuse tree
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fair enough.

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would you allow wuwojiti?

fallen burrow
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i think theres a tabke option

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obtuse tree
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never heard of coronal or dorsal, had to lookem up. cool way to represent stuff!

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so is a word like 'ntam' valid?

lime spindle
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Mmmm idk

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Maybe in rare occasions when talking about a proper noun, maybe like something in Vietnamese or swahili

obtuse tree
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chill.

lime spindle
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Idk if we should...
But should we add a definite article?

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Or I mean like.. "the"

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obtuse tree
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its not our clong, its your clong!

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unless its a socialist clong

lime spindle
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I was just wanting feedback

obtuse tree
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oh. sorry...

lime spindle
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Its oki

obtuse tree
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i mean tokipona is just fine without a "the"

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and the is kinda a filler word in inglish

lime spindle
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I was thinking though
I sort of dont wanna make an accusative case, and I dont wanna copy toki pona and make a thing similar to "e"

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So I could just use articles like "a", "the", "some"

obtuse tree
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how do articles relate to direct objects & accusitave cases? im lost

lime spindle
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Uhhh... its another one of those things where I say something without thinking about it

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My thought process was
It could differentiate from the verb and noun

So if I wanted to say something like
I know feeling

You could either say i know the feeling or a feeling instead of people thinking it could mean "I know to feel"

obtuse tree
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hypothetically you could avoid accusatives and ddirect objects with passive verbs

lime spindle
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Passive verbs

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?

obtuse tree
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i took it - acitve verb
it got taken by me - kindof a passive verb

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its like you reverse the directionality. with passive verbs, the subject is the patient.

lime spindle
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Oh like adding prepositions

obtuse tree
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like maybe instead of se you can use like su or something, so "si su labulo" would mean "it got worked on". you could then say "aku se labulo, si su labulo" to mean "i worked on it"

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or yeah prepos could also defo work. imo they are the most underrated word type.

lime spindle
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I decided to add Jalatam meaning to love, to adore, loving From Tatar ярятам “to love”

Because I keep thinking of this song that's like
"I love you I love you, okay okay, I love you, I love you, enough enough"

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And its in Tatar

obtuse tree
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never heard of tatar. i have been seeing the updates in the google doc.

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is tatar cool? it seems slavic with the cyrillic

lime spindle
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Its a Turkic language?

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I think

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Like uzbek, kazakh, turkmen

obtuse tree
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cool. im jealous: america only has 1 language, and then it also has english which doesnt really count

lime spindle
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Im from the US too

obtuse tree
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and you arent jealous of turkey?

lime spindle
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Its like saying your jealous of Germany becsuse there are many germanic languages

obtuse tree
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i am /j.

lime spindle
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Also maybe i shouldn't have put such toki pona standards onto this language

obtuse tree
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which ones?

lime spindle
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Like a lot of thingsss, idkk

obtuse tree
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well, you can certainly always change it!