vintage story - translation project

[chilly igloo]

kulio indeed

Why are onions feeling strong

Or of strong feelings

I would sooner describe them as kili pi oko telo

Vegetables of eye watering

[frigid scaffold]

lol I guess either works

They have a strong taste

pilin it’s would be better

[chilly igloo]

what

[frigid scaffold]

autocorrect

pilin uta

[chilly igloo]

Idk when I hear vegetable of strong taste I would not understand

But if someone said vegetable of wet eyes I would understand instantly

Actually I'm now noticing that you only treated flax differently

Growing rice is kili pan walo

But flax is kasi len

Both are food

And also grains should not be referred to using kili in this context

Given grains, fruit, and vegetables are all different food groups

[frigid scaffold]

kili is plant, flour/grain is pan

So they are “grain plants” lol

[chilly igloo]

No it's not

kasi is plant

[frigid scaffold]

oops

[chilly igloo]

kasi kili fatigue lol

[frigid scaffold]

Literally

[chilly igloo]

I get it fully lol

[frigid scaffold]

Also not everyone’s eyes water cause of onions lol, and that only happens when they are cut

but they pretty generally have a strong taste

[chilly igloo]

Why is pineapple plant "kili suwi jelo li sin"

[frigid scaffold]

uuu

I think there a mature one and a “plain” one?

I think I meant to say it was… sin?

Like it was young lol?

[chilly igloo]

Yes Shit sorry that was a typo on my part lol

[chilly igloo]

But it's not young

Oh

[frigid scaffold]

It felt weird there’s like two pineapples entries

[chilly igloo]

I'm changing that to li kama suli also

[frigid scaffold]

Alright

Don’t even look at the bell peppers

[chilly igloo]

It's not different to other crops like grains

LMFAO

[frigid scaffold]

Why is there so many

[chilly igloo]

So many what

Vintage Story is not minecraft 😭

[frigid scaffold]

bell peppers

look at the bell peppers lol

[chilly igloo]

Bell peppers do not exist in game if it makes you feel better

[frigid scaffold]

WHY ARE THEY THERE THEN

[chilly igloo]

Because they will be

😭

Well

[frigid scaffold]

Why is there like 7 entries tho

[chilly igloo]

Bell peppers exist

But idk if they are obtainable

And

The seeds can't be planted

[chilly igloo]

Literally no idea

[frigid scaffold]

So yea we got “vegetable with no inside”

Cause they are hallow idk

[chilly igloo]

Yeah idk it's weird but not that important rn anyway

When they actually get added we will have the priviledge of crying because we need a better name

But it's good enough for now

[frigid scaffold]

🤷‍♂️👍

Did you see the metals I did? I think I changed a few

[chilly igloo]

Yes i looked at those first

[frigid scaffold]

Those good?

[chilly igloo]

I think they were

I think all of the written material-metal entries are green now

[frigid scaffold]

What’s the total translated now lol?

[chilly igloo]

Idk I'll check in a few minutes at my computer again

I'm feeling ill though so i think I've looked at enough for today lol

[frigid scaffold]

Yea, so many word

[chilly igloo]

0.74%

[frigid scaffold]

Almost 1% !!!!!!!

[chilly igloo]

Fr that's what I'm saying

I'm also the type to lock in and do a billion in a day

If I weren't sick I would have today

[frigid scaffold]

I’ll see what I can do during my lunch break, maybe I can get it to 1%

[chilly igloo]

I must ask what your motivation is for helping with this

[frigid scaffold]

I like toki pona

[chilly igloo]

Given you seem to have literally never heard of Vintage Story before this

I see that you have the Manka role

[chilly igloo]

oops

[frigid scaffold]

I just like translating

[chilly igloo]

Do you play minecraft though

[austere gale]

Sorry, I was asleep

but I'm available now

[frigid scaffold]

I do, I haven’t for a while, I’m waiting for a mod to release

[frigid scaffold]

Just give some stuff a review, if you stick around I’ll be able to translate stuff for maybe an hour or two

Maybe we can get to 1%

[austere gale]

absolutely, the translations so far are good

I will OK some stuff

What did you guys focus on while I was gone>

[frigid scaffold]

If I’ve done something silly just tell me

[frigid scaffold]

Metals, Crops

[chilly igloo]

Vintage Story could definitely be up your alley

[frigid scaffold]

Mostly crops

[chilly igloo]

Yeah mostly crops

[frigid scaffold]

MAYBE, I just want the one mod I’ve been waiting for

[chilly igloo]

There's still some crops to greenlight

I'm just not alive enough to be willing to read through the rest lol

Maybe i am idk

[frigid scaffold]

KEN LA O

[austere gale]

I think most crops are good IMO

[chilly igloo]

Mostly yeah

I'm still in favour of sunflowers being kasi suno

[austere gale]

that sounds good to me lol

[chilly igloo]

It's accurate for every European language i checked besides French

I checked Japanese and they call it something else

But i think kasi suno is better than kasi pi kule suno

I wouldn't describe them as sun coloured

[austere gale]

japanese isn't a european or PIE language tbf

[chilly igloo]

Yes

[austere gale]

sun plant is good enough I think

[chilly igloo]

PIE doesn't matter here though

[chilly igloo]

I agree

I'm going to change it

[frigid scaffold]

Yea fine, still kinda feels like a calque

[austere gale]

oh yeah, lol, dum dum here

[frigid scaffold]

I feel like we should describe the thing as if it’s never existed kinda

[austere gale]

I think sun plants work, cause they face the sun and look lik eit

[chilly igloo]

Then we should make it kasi jelo pi kule ma

[chilly igloo]

I agree

kasi pi lukin sama suno

I'd be ok with this also

But i don't like kasi pi kule suno

[austere gale]

that would be find, I have no preference, so it's up to you two

[chilly igloo]

@frigid scaffold how do you feel about this

[austere gale]

btw, have we checked these names to make sure they fit the max dialog-box size? I think there's a maximum the dialog box can hold, but IDK

[chilly igloo]

I don't believe there is

Give me a moment

[austere gale]

You can check the wiki especially the modding one, but I'm not sure

[chilly igloo]

Trying to break the game is easier

[austere gale]

fair haha

[chilly igloo]

I threw in something ridiculously long I'll see what happens

[frigid scaffold]

Sorry I’m busy at work

Last rush before I go

[austere gale]

wait, I got a question: Page "crops farming specifics" repeats, I think. I think somehow it got copied twice/three times into the doc

[austere gale]

no worries, if you gotta go - you should take ur time

[frigid scaffold]

I get to leave in 15, just the final rush lol

[austere gale]

fair

[austere gale]

Is this for one item's name?

[chilly igloo]

This is the extreme case

Yeah

I'll see how short it needs to be to un-bork

[austere gale]

I think, we should limit ourselves to some amount of chars that still is logical to have in game

[frigid scaffold]

What about “kasi pi lukin suno”

It looks like the sun

eh?

[chilly igloo]

I would take that to mean plant that looks bright

Which is why I said sama suno

But

If you don't think that's a problem I'm ok with using kasi pi lukin suno

[austere gale]

I'm not oppossed, anything regarding the suno is fine with me 🙂

[chilly igloo]

I hate non monospaced fonts 👎

[austere gale]

It's part of the charm IMO, to have a serif font. But! we can change that in a mod listing

[chilly igloo]

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, qui minim labore in the games font seems to be our maximum text length

At my resolution..

[frigid scaffold]

\musi

[austere gale]

This is around 100, I believe

[chilly igloo]

Around 100 what

[austere gale]

characters

[chilly igloo]

This is highly problematic

[austere gale]

I was thinking, should mature [X] be the same as [X], such as mature carrots = kili palisa pi loje jelo the same as carrots = kili palisa pi loje jelo?

[austere gale]

If, and this is a big if, we fiddle with some game coding we can probably make it work

[chilly igloo]

Thankfully it does not seem resolution dependent

[chilly igloo]

I think this is our most likely solution

[austere gale]

yeah, I think that works

[chilly igloo]

Have you made vintage story mods before

[austere gale]

not entirely familiar, but I've done some small stuff

There's a modding wiki which is very helpful

[chilly igloo]

I raised this and I think it should not be

I would say the mature one should be kasi and the food item should be kili

However I think in practice it doesn't matter

[austere gale]

ohhhh that makes sense

[chilly igloo]

I'm in the same boat

Unironically

Sitelen pona would solve these issues

[austere gale]

OK, done. I changed carrots to be the same as mature carrots, but growing carrots are kasi, I believe

[chilly igloo]

I know you wish for sitelen Lasina though

[austere gale]

I think, it'd be cool to do sitelen pona in vintage story - but we'd have to make some kind of C# vector library I think

[chilly igloo]

Are you crazy LMFAO

[austere gale]

sitelen sitelene

my bad

[austere gale]

yes

[chilly igloo]

There's literally a font folder

We'd just need to import nasin-nanpa

[austere gale]

what's nasin nanpa?

is that a library for sitelen sitelen

or sitelen pona?

[chilly igloo]

Wtf did ilo Linku crash

[austere gale]

We can probably try to import it as a font, then we can translate 1 to 1 later

[chilly igloo]

It's just a font

[austere gale]

fair

but does it auto-translate stuff for us, or something else?

[chilly igloo]

It's literally just the font

The point is though

If we put the font in the game, we could just render the UCSUR characters

[austere gale]

kk, that works. I need to check if the game can handle the character set

[chilly igloo]

I will check rn

[austere gale]

It uses UTF-16, since it's a C# based game

[chilly igloo]

Why would that matter

[austere gale]

does it not?

[chilly igloo]

Character U-F1924 is U-F1942

Hmm now I'm curious about something

󱥆󱥆󱥆

[chilly igloo]

This does not render in game automatically with the font installed system wide

I wouldn't have bothered checking but

Counterstrike actually renders it properly

With the font installed

And that shocked me very much

[austere gale]

so...it might be a mod thing

for Vintage Story. I will make a mod folder later, and I will add the translations to it

[chilly igloo]

Do you know what font the game uses for its chat

[austere gale]

idk, I will check

[chilly igloo]

The game has like 7 fonts

[austere gale]

I think it's a system font

[chilly igloo]

Probably not easy to check

[austere gale]

but I could be wrong

[chilly igloo]

you are

The game brings all of its own fonts with it

in ~/.local/share/vintagestory/assets/game/fonts/

[austere gale]

kk

[frigid scaffold]

I’M HOME

[chilly igloo]

gg

[frigid scaffold]

LET ME SET UP I’LL BE THERE TO HELP VERY SOON

I'm here, where should I focus on rn?

[chilly igloo]

Keep with the crops for now

[frigid scaffold]

👍

[austere gale]

crops should be fine

[frigid scaffold]

what do i do lol

[austere gale]

let me help

We were trying to use Sitelen pona, since it'll allow us to be more verbose and use more words

[frigid scaffold]

OH

That reminds me

The textures in the game

do any have words?

[austere gale]

the textures themselves have words on them? Not to my knowledge

[frigid scaffold]

alright

[chilly igloo]

No

[austere gale]

Theres a few with skulls, but idk

[chilly igloo]

They don't

Nothing like TNT

[frigid scaffold]

alrighty

There's a bunch of non-confirmed crops

Y'all working on that, I'll keep going down the list?

[austere gale]

I am

[chilly igloo]

I'm working on seeing if I can get sitelen pona to render

I'm doing it in a really lazy way though lol

[frigid scaffold]

if it works it's not lazy

[chilly igloo]

No it really is

It's a temporary solution

I'm just going to modify game fonts to contain sitelen pona until it works

[frigid scaffold]

💀

that is uh

[chilly igloo]

I told you it was lazy

[frigid scaffold]

that works

[chilly igloo]

Yes

But it's not a good solution

But if this doesn't work nothing will

[frigid scaffold]

oof

[chilly igloo]

I'm assuming anyway

[austere gale]

@chilly igloo Let me know if you need help or anything

[chilly igloo]

I stopped what I was doing and looked to see if there were anyways to change the in game font

[austere gale]

There should be, it's in the menu

[chilly igloo]

I found a mod that does so, and according to it, the default font is Helvetica

Which is quite strange, given that Helvetica is not one of the packaged fonts

So you seem to have been right about it using a system font

Stranger still,

I already have Helvetica with sitelen pona support installed

[austere gale]

kk, that's weird

so it doesn't work?

[chilly igloo]

I've not surrendered yet

It might be possible to get the game to render using the right font

I'm just kinda going to be navigating blind..

[austere gale]

No, I'm 100% certain you can do it with a mod/in game stuff, but idk

[chilly igloo]

I have it

Half working?

I forced everything to almendra

And I modified that font to contain sitelen pona

But once it's in chat it no longer renders

[frigid scaffold]

oof

Maybe diffent places in the code

[chilly igloo]

I'll check if it renders in item names

[frigid scaffold]

also...

[chilly igloo]

How well do you The Computer

[frigid scaffold]

The crop page has like 8 duplicated lol

Can I like, cut the entire crop page down?

[chilly igloo]

I would definitely not do that

That would likely make the computer very sad

[frigid scaffold]

No look it's all the same

literally to the code

[chilly igloo]

Yeah but eventually jan Kona will be running some program to convert our google sheet to json

[frigid scaffold]

Yea...

It's kinda messing up the translation amount tho lol

[chilly igloo]

Currently it does not

[chilly igloo]

Very true

[frigid scaffold]

Cause we're almost done with the whole page, but cause it's duplicated it thinkgs we're like 4%

I'll just do like "C:100 = C:20" or whatever

just auto duplicate

And just like that

[austere gale]

Yes, exactly

[frigid scaffold]

Stupid duplicated page lol

It's set up so that each one finished just percolates down to all the others

So every change actually is like 8 cells

[chilly igloo]

What's this

[frigid scaffold]

Go to the TRANSLATION MAP page

[austere gale]

It's how much we've translated

[chilly igloo]

I can't imagine that's the real number though

[frigid scaffold]

It's a crude equation

It goes "How many are in column B, now how many of those are empty in column C"

[chilly igloo]

Damn I guess we are almost done crops farming

[frigid scaffold]

85% of crops is duplicates

So I just set the first one to dup to all the others

[chilly igloo]

This is true there's lots of A, A but it's growing

[frigid scaffold]

So it's artificial

No literally scroll down

it just repeats

[chilly igloo]

Oh wtf

[frigid scaffold]

And look at the value for each cell what I did

It just copies

🤷‍♂️

[chilly igloo]

It's you who is doing this yes?

[frigid scaffold]

Not me lol

[austere gale]

I am the project manager, I've just been super busy recently

[frigid scaffold]

It's also, we got lots of time until we get to 100%

Then we gotta re-review it all

clean it up

organize

[chilly igloo]

I wasn't implying that this should be done anytime soon

But like

You were asking about deleting the things that are duplicated

But if you are coding it you should know that it wouldn't be a problem to delete the duplicated things

[austere gale]

No worries, just letting you know

[frigid scaffold]

I can delete now?

[austere gale]

ilo teloje was the one who coded it

Not me

[chilly igloo]

Why are we even doing this as a google sheet

Why aren't we on github

[frigid scaffold]

IDK WE JUST ARE

[austere gale]

GitHub would be good too

[chilly igloo]

😭

[frigid scaffold]

It's nice for working together

[chilly igloo]

It is

[austere gale]

More convenient for non coder's

[chilly igloo]

I'm weirdly not that proficient with github management

[frigid scaffold]

I do like the colors and the organize and the lack of git commands

[chilly igloo]

Given I literally use gentoo and can program

[chilly igloo]

I do like this yes

[austere gale]

Not everyone does so that's why I chose Google sheets

[chilly igloo]

Yes

But the point is

I would still need to learn how to use github properly lol

[frigid scaffold]

Maybe after

Cause when it's done we can go into maintance/update mode

[chilly igloo]

Not worth probably

Because

It's super easy to go from a csv file to the json formatting

[frigid scaffold]

Alright lol

Are we deleting all the dups?

[chilly igloo]

Yeah

[frigid scaffold]

YEAAA

[chilly igloo]

I say do it

[frigid scaffold]

I will rn

[chilly igloo]

I would be capable of converting from the google sheet back to json

And I see no issue that would cause

[frigid scaffold]

GONE

[chilly igloo]

That makes it look far less intimidating lol

[chilly igloo]

Can you do it for the rest of the sections?

[chilly igloo]

Or was that only a thing for the crops?

[frigid scaffold]

I don't know what's duped lol

[chilly igloo]

Fair enough

[frigid scaffold]

🤷‍♂️

Anyways, if you comfirm the last few we CAN FINISH THE CROPS

[austere gale]

Yes

[frigid scaffold]

I'm trying to do that last ones

I can't get the right phraeing

[austere gale]

Ok, I can help if possible

[frigid scaffold]

@austere gale
LAST ONES

TWO MORE

SOMEONE CONFIRM

@chilly igloo

[austere gale]

coming

[frigid scaffold]

It's just two more lol

[austere gale]

ok, will do

Done, they're good

[frigid scaffold]

ALL DONE

[austere gale]

lit 🔥

Next up, possibly rocks or minerlas

[frigid scaffold]

And we got past 1%

[austere gale]

1% a day should be good

[frigid scaffold]

yea

[austere gale]

or 1% every 1-3 days

[frigid scaffold]

Well it took us this long to get 1% lol

[frigid scaffold]

yea

[austere gale]

@chilly igloo How did the sitelen pona go?

[chilly igloo]

I got sidetracked

[frigid scaffold]

adhd moment

[chilly igloo]

I'm making the converter to go from the csv to the json file

I have it so far loading the csv file and converting it to a list of ABABAB where A is the code and B is the toki pona

[frigid scaffold]

did you get the original

Cause then you could match the exact structure

[chilly igloo]

Yeah

I think I know what you mean anyway

[frigid scaffold]

the OG json

[chilly igloo]

You mean keep the order the same?

[frigid scaffold]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mamG8T3hqIWqoIdbo3S7EFaNmxJT_AcH/view?usp=drivesdk

[chilly igloo]

I'm already looking at that file

[frigid scaffold]

oh

[chilly igloo]

I'm going to format it like that yes

[frigid scaffold]

Cause then you can just match the code, and sub in the TP lol

[austere gale]

Perfect

thanks guys

[chilly igloo]

Alright I've got something working

[frigid scaffold]

show show

[chilly igloo]

I am not done but I'll show you the json output

[frigid scaffold]

And that matches the correct output?

[chilly igloo]

I believe so

[frigid scaffold]

sweet

[chilly igloo]

yeah it fully works now

[frigid scaffold]

YEA

[chilly igloo]

However it will kill itself it there's an entry that's not filled in

[frigid scaffold]

fair

[chilly igloo]

So it will only work when a section is complete

[frigid scaffold]

that's alright lol

[chilly igloo]

Yes

@austere gale

[frigid scaffold]

I don't really know python

[chilly igloo]

Python is really easy

[frigid scaffold]

May I ask an AI to review lol and pretend it's me

[chilly igloo]

No

[frigid scaffold]

why

[chilly igloo]

I do not like AI and do not want you giving it my work

[frigid scaffold]

You don't like AI? What kind of AI lol

[chilly igloo]

Generative AI

[frigid scaffold]

why not?

[chilly igloo]

I do not owe you an argument

[frigid scaffold]

I guess not, but I like hearing other people's opinions

Gotta stay open you know?

[austere gale]

Thanks a ton

[frigid scaffold]

@austere gale What's your opinion on generative ai stuff?

[chilly igloo]

Yeah no worries

[austere gale]

I use it exclusively as an Internet search engine, or giving me brief descriptions of things.

[frigid scaffold]

Yea fair, good use

[chilly igloo]

I'll update it at some point to combine multiple csv files into one json file

[chilly igloo]

I won't even use it for that

It's unreliable and hallucinates

[austere gale]

Can we output Google sheets as a CSV?

[frigid scaffold]

When was the last you used it lol, like 2020?

[austere gale]

It's still got issues. Even chatGPT tells you not everything is 100% reliable

[chilly igloo]

Yes

[austere gale]

Thank you

[chilly igloo]

It's for each separate sheet

But that's fine

[chilly igloo]

That's how I got this

[frigid scaffold]

Yes issues, but a fair way away from unreliable

Gotta know how to use it

[austere gale]

K, I'll see what I can do in regards to using this JSON

[chilly igloo]

I wouldn't worry about that for now

I am perfectly happy to handle that

I can make a mod that adds the language

[austere gale]

Perfect! Thanks 👍

[frigid scaffold]

I wish C++ was used lol

That's what I know

[chilly igloo]

Ew

I would rather scoop my eyes out

Do you know java

Also

[frigid scaffold]

No, Java is so ugly

I love C++

[chilly igloo]

Why the hell would you use something like C++ for THIS

Like

This is the most basic bitch kindergarten program

It is peak python

[frigid scaffold]

Oh I wouldn't I would use bash lol

I love bash

[chilly igloo]

Get out of my sight

Bash is great however

Bash files 🤢

[austere gale]

Is this devolving into a stupid argument?

[chilly igloo]

Stay out of this

LMAO

[frigid scaffold]

love me some plain txt

[chilly igloo]

Bash syntax is actually so awful

[frigid scaffold]

It's just silly

[chilly igloo]

For active terminal use it's great

But bash scripts can die

Bash literally has 0 as true and 1 as false

[frigid scaffold]

wait until you hear I made my own generative AI solution path thing entirely in bash

[chilly igloo]

die

[frigid scaffold]

wait until you hear that I even used to translate TP and it was awful lol

Love LLMs tho

been watching for years and years and years

amazing technology

It's genius

\musi

[frigid scaffold]

I stopped lol, I still have it tho

Who confirmed these in the Ores/Minerals/Metals

Emerald -> "kiwen pi laso kasi"

????

[chilly igloo]

Not me

Those are old

I like none of them lol

[frigid scaffold]

It wasn't me or jan Kona

There's edit history

[chilly igloo]

Yeah

That's why I think edit permissions should need to be requested for the file @austere gale

Also

[frigid scaffold]

What are you in the sheet?

[chilly igloo]

I'd prefer that the "main" objective

[chilly igloo]

YourLocalMedic lol

[chilly igloo]

Be something other than the minerals for now

[frigid scaffold]

There's an anon in the sheet rn

is that you

[chilly igloo]

Because I'd like to mostly go through them

No

[frigid scaffold]

That's not you?

[chilly igloo]

I figured it was you

No

I'm only YourLocalMedic

[frigid scaffold]

So there's a person moving the stuff around that we are talking about rn

Are you in the sheeT?

[chilly igloo]

That was me

I made it yellow

[frigid scaffold]

Oh, you are anon then, or you aren't signed in?

Are you not signed in?

[chilly igloo]

I'm always signed in

I could see myself as yourlocalmedic

[frigid scaffold]

I did most of the crops, who does it say edited those?

[chilly igloo]

For me anything not done by jan Kona is considered anonymous

[frigid scaffold]

Interesting

maybe cause they were the one to invite us?

[chilly igloo]

I think if @austere gale shares access with us directly and has us listed as editors it will show attributions properly

[frigid scaffold]

I just got a link to edit

[chilly igloo]

Me too

[chilly igloo]

That's why I'm saying to do this

[frigid scaffold]

that's why lol

[chilly igloo]

Me too

[chilly igloo]

This got posted today on ma mun and with all of the debate we've had over sunflowers i thought it was too funny not to forward lol

[austere gale]

Absolutely

[austere gale]

I'm going to edit the permissions

[chilly igloo]

Heard

[austere gale]

OK, should be fixed. Try editing it

You should only have commenting access now

I can allow those who I trust with access, if you give me your email

*acess to edit, that is

This should be easier for me to manage, cause I can OK everything you guys send me

@chilly igloo Can you comment, or do you still have editing acess?

[chilly igloo]

Comment only

[austere gale]

ok perfect.

[austere gale]

What do you suggest?

[chilly igloo]

I don't really care I'd just like to focus on those by myself for a little bit

[austere gale]

perfect, I was thinking lore stuff

or maybe some longer stuff

[chilly igloo]

That stuff seems like it could be kinda hard

[austere gale]

perhaps, that's why I saw rn we do it

[chilly igloo]

This might depend on other translations already existing

[chilly igloo]

Which is why i think it should be done last maybe

Idk if anything mentions like some specific Jonas part

[austere gale]

ok, differring perspective, but you're probably right

[chilly igloo]

Non crop plants?

[austere gale]

that's a good idea

Should saplings be similar to how we did the crops?

[chilly igloo]

Probably

Generally i would say a tree is kasi suli

[austere gale]

ok that makes sense

[chilly igloo]

But

When it's a sapling

It can't be kasi suli lili

Lol

I mean it could be

But that's kinda strange

[austere gale]

yes just about to say it sounds weird

[chilly igloo]

A cute way to say it though

[austere gale]

contradictory

almost

[frigid scaffold]

Shouldn’t saplings kinda just be kasi?

[chilly igloo]

Yeah maybe

@frigid scaffold in Arabic sunflower is "worshipper of the sun"

According to my Egyptian friend

[frigid scaffold]

You’ve proved your point lol

[chilly igloo]

kasi suno would probably be fine lol

[austere gale]

see ya guys tomorrow, I'll have all day to work on it then as well

[austere gale]

Google Sheet

Am I able to pin things in this thread?

https://github.com/connorwillchris/tok_vintagestory.git

Also, this is a thing. I made this yesterday

We also have a template JSON in the json_tmp that was given to me from someone who translated a bunch of things from vintage story (probably an earlier version but still will be helpful)

[chilly igloo]

I think you can pin things in threads you created but maybe not

[unkempt loom]

Hello, I would like to help with this translating project. Where do I start?

mi wile ante e toki pi musi ni. mi o pali e seme?

[frigid scaffold]

Ask @austere gale for editing rights to the sheet, and uh… be decent at TP

[austere gale]

You are free to comment on the document, and if your translations are OK, I will accept them. Then later we can add you as an editor - does that work?

[unkempt loom]

pona a!

[chilly igloo]

@unkempt loom　󱥞󱤻󱤉󱤻󱥼󱦢󱤇󱥙

[unkempt loom]

pakala la mi kepeken ala e sitelen UCSUR

[chilly igloo]

sina musi e musi Vintage Story anu seme

[unkempt loom]

mi musi ala. taso mi musi e musi Manka kepeken toki pona

ni li ike ala ike

mi o musi e musi Vintage Story tan ante e toki anu seme

[chilly igloo]

ni li

[chilly igloo]

ijo teloje hasn't played the game either so it's fine but it's important for you to understand contextual things of the game

[austere gale]

I can send screenshots too

[chilly igloo]

We are also striving for unique item names wherever possible because it's important to be able to read an item's name and know what it is without an image in some contexts

[unkempt loom]

Okay, I will look at the fandomwiki as well

[chilly igloo]

Wtf no

There's an official vintage story wiki

https://wiki.vintagestory.at/

[unkempt loom]

Oh okay

[chilly igloo]

And do understand that this game is very different to Minecraft

There's 37 different types of mushrooms lol

[unkempt loom]

a

musi a !

ona li lukin suwi

[chilly igloo]

Not for us when translating LMAO

[chilly igloo]

yeah you should try the game it's fun

[unkempt loom]

XD

[austere gale]

We also have a github with some basic translations in the json_tmp folder

that someone gave me

The JSON is from an outdated version, but it has some good ones in it I think

[chilly igloo]

@frigid scaffold @austere gale i think when we are naming the mushrooms we should stick to the following rules:
Safe mushrooms:
soko (colours etc)
0.1-2 damage:
soko (colours) pi ike lili
2.1-7 damage:
soko (colours) ike
7.1-10 damage:
soko (colours) pi ike mute
40+ damage:
soko (colours) moli

[austere gale]

that's a good idea

[chilly igloo]

Something similar anyway

ike could be pakala instead

But i think ike makes more sense

Also @frigid scaffold would be pleased to know what i can't think of any scenario in which it would be important for mushrooms to have unique names

[austere gale]

just wrote that in the doc, in the contributing document

[chilly igloo]

Perfect

[austere gale]

I'm gonna have to look on the wiki to see which mushrooms are hazardous and stuff

[chilly igloo]

https://wiki.vintagestory.at/Mushroom

We will honestly be giving more information than you get in English

Because seeing bitter bolete you don't know it's bad immediately

But when you see soko pi kule ma pi ike lili you know you don't really want to eat it unless you are starving

[austere gale]

• orange oak bolete: safe
• king bolete: safe
• bitter bolete: -1 HP
• devils bolete - -10 HP

...and I decided we'll leave it to looking it up in the wiki if we need to see em

[chilly igloo]

Yes lol

[austere gale]

I'm thinking, to distingusih them better, we can use "lipu" for flat topped mushrooms, such as Chanterelle

and most other "mushroom shaped" mushrooms will be just colors

@unkempt loom I gave you editing access btw

[chilly igloo]

@unkempt loom make sure you put your translations in the yellow

[unkempt loom]

pona o tawa sina

[unkempt loom]

yes

[austere gale]

ur welcome

@unkempt loom If you dont know, or don't have a frame of reference for an item, such as "resin" or whatever since you've never played - make sure to consult the wiki

[chilly igloo]

Honestly i think translating virtually anything should necessitate looking at the wiki if you've never played the game

[austere gale]

fair haha, even games you're famiilar with, such as stardew valley - which I've played quite a bit

[chilly igloo]

Yes

I have certainly been using it looking at the metals

Because in real life basically every metal looks the same lol

[unkempt loom]

Has "pine" being translated yet?

as a thing

[chilly igloo]

Bismuth is literally plain written no colour

[austere gale]

We have not translated wood types, like Pine or Birch, ect. That should be next on our list after mushrooms

[chilly igloo]

^

[unkempt loom]

Oh

[austere gale]

no worries, we'll work on it soon...

Thanks for your help so far.

[frigid scaffold]

I feel like pakala should make an appearance somewhere in there

[chilly igloo]

I think maybe

But i think yes fine to just say it's a bad mushroom

It's bad because it hurts you

[unkempt loom]

well, ike is fine

does the soko attack physically or is it ike in a poissoning way? jaki could be used too

[chilly igloo]

You eat it and take damage

[chilly igloo]

I think jaki things make you sad not make you dead

[unkempt loom]

jaki means things that are not clean, toxic or ugly looking, maybe this word fits better for poisonous mushorooms

[chilly igloo]

So it does

Very good I'll change it to jaki

[frigid scaffold]

The definition of pakala is to damage

jaki is perfect as well

[chilly igloo]

Yeah but soko pakala could be confused with broken mushroom

[chilly igloo]

Yes

[frigid scaffold]

Sure, but only in the same way that "mi moku" also means "I am food" it's the context

󠄀

[chilly igloo]

Fair enough

[austere gale]

Yes, true

[frigid scaffold]

What is the difference between a flowerpot and a planter lol

[austere gale]

idk tbh

[frigid scaffold]

Should we call one poki kasi and onf poki kili

I assume a planter is for crops

Rathen than flowers

[austere gale]

we could, but I will check the wiki

[frigid scaffold]

The wiki is weird regarding planters/flowerpots

[chilly igloo]

I dislike poki kili

[frigid scaffold]

poki kasi ante a a a a

[austere gale]

We could do poki kili, but it might be redundant to have a plant container and a veggie container

[frigid scaffold]

Does it matter if we call then the same

I imaging so

[chilly igloo]

I also think it's confusing because it sounds like something you use to store food

[chilly igloo]

No

I think it's fine

I'll look now though

[frigid scaffold]

Ok cool lol

[austere gale]

Also, to the right are all the flower pots

in order in game

[chilly igloo]

Or even just poki kasi suli probably

[frigid scaffold]

Why do you have a giant 󠄀

Is it to remind you lol

[austere gale]

it doesn't matter if poki kasi are two different items IMO, but what do you guys think?

[frigid scaffold]

Yea, I was thinking lili for the flowerpots lol

[chilly igloo]

That's not there lol

[chilly igloo]

Restart your discord

[frigid scaffold]

OOOO I see the image before on the left

I have a custom client

[chilly igloo]

@austere gale we 100% need to standardize the different clays as well as the different colours of fired (not fire) clay you can get from a beehive kiln

[austere gale]

what are the different clay types?

[chilly igloo]

Blue red fire

[austere gale]

I see.

I've done that, ko [color]

[frigid scaffold]

@austere gale
I see we are doing the same planter/flowerpot translations lol, do you want to compare?

[austere gale]

ko loje for red, and ko laso for blue

[chilly igloo]

And then "Tan" etc for the different heats

[frigid scaffold]

I like this

[chilly igloo]

No you don't understand

[austere gale]

sure, let's do that

[frigid scaffold]

oh

[austere gale]

Also, be aware that there are only 2 types of clay for forming. Things that are bought from traders can be blue, yellow, any color

I think, I will check the wiki

[frigid scaffold]

wdym lol

[austere gale]

I don't understand what you mean. You mean tan for different types of colored planters?

[chilly igloo]

No, i mean Tan not tan

[frigid scaffold]

tan seli
tan seli mute

[austere gale]

oh tan the color?

[chilly igloo]

Yes

[frigid scaffold]

????

[chilly igloo]

There's like 9 colours of clay

[frigid scaffold]

OMG I thought you meant using tan to show like the amount it was fired for

[austere gale]

that you can craft?

[chilly igloo]

no..?

[chilly igloo]

I said "Tan" for a reason haha but neither of you got it

[austere gale]

I think, and I could be wrong, the 9 different types of clay are a different color for each item - of subtly different

[unkempt loom]

I'm dealing right now with that

but planters instead

I knew none of those words for coulours 💀

[frigid scaffold]

whoever did poki kasi pi sitelen lete I love you

[chilly igloo]

No not this hold on

[austere gale]

Okay, will stand by

[unkempt loom]

It was me Xd

[frigid scaffold]

I love you

[chilly igloo]

There are 9 colours of clay items

As well as 3 raw versions of them

[austere gale]

Oh damn, wasn't aware

[chilly igloo]

Yes

So we need to standardize all 12 names now before we name literally anything that comes from clay

From top left across then down:
Fire Clay, Black Clay, Brown Clay, Cream Clay, Gray Clay, Orange Clay, Red Clay, Tan Clay, Clinker Clay

These might not exist on the Wiki yet

The beehive kiln doesn't have a proper article yet

[chilly igloo]

Then there's Also Raw Fire Clay, Raw Blue Clay, Raw Red Clay

So these colours exist for anything that's made out of clay

[chilly igloo]

Also Fire Clay should be named in accordance with it's heat resistant abilities rather than colour

[unkempt loom]

Ok, I am gonna translate those on the first page of the excel

[frigid scaffold]

Fire Clay, Black Clay, Brown Clay, Cream Clay, Gray Clay, Orange Clay, Red Clay, Tan Clay, Clinker Clay, Raw Fire Clay, Raw Blue Clay, Raw Red Clay

------------------------------

• ko seli
• ko pimeja
• ko ma
• ko walo
• ko walo pimeja
• ko loje jelo
• ko loje
• ko pi kule ma lili
• ko pimeja ma
• ko seli li lete
• ko laso li lete
• ko loje li lete

@chilly igloo
@unkempt loom

My attempt

[chilly igloo]

Don't do it there

Do it on lines Random: 42-54 for now

At least that's where I'll do it

[unkempt loom]

Ok

[chilly igloo]

@unkempt loom please read the things that you are naming lol

[frigid scaffold]

@chilly igloo
Items should be named as they are

[chilly igloo]

Wdym

[frigid scaffold]

We don't need to take into account that a brick is a leko lili cause it's the base form

The sizes depend on the base brick

Anything bigger is suli, multiple are mute

[chilly igloo]

Fair enough

[frigid scaffold]

The items should be descrubed as they are alone, because if every item is different then names will never collide

We shouldn't be translating in fear of future collisions ya know?

[chilly igloo]

Yes we should lol

[frigid scaffold]

They won't collide because they are different items

[chilly igloo]

When we know 2 items exist that would potentially have the same name, when naming one we should consider the other

[frigid scaffold]

Well take the flowerpot/planter thing

[chilly igloo]

Like this is how it is in game

leko ko seli for the top and bottom

[chilly igloo]

Yeah we should take it into account when it matters

But there it didn't

And here it doesn't either

[frigid scaffold]

Well a block of bricks would unironically be leko leko

[chilly igloo]

Lol

I think we should probably just call it leko

There's no unbricked clay block

[frigid scaffold]

They just did that lol

[chilly igloo]

You can see mine on the sheet

[frigid scaffold]

You are right here however:

They do call it leko lili

[chilly igloo]

Yeah

I will change it back to leko lili

As that's a harmless change

And keeping names consistent with Minecraft naming is desirable when it makes sense

And here I would say it definitely does

[frigid scaffold]

These are good too

brick and bricks are the same which is interesting

[chilly igloo]

I planned on doing something similar

Check out my colour translations

[frigid scaffold]

I saw the picture way ago lol

I try to keep with that where I remember

[chilly igloo]

Some of yours are weird

ko ma should be ko pi kule ma

And you can't do ko walo pimeja

[frigid scaffold]

Why not

[chilly igloo]

Because that's black and white clay

Not gray clay

[frigid scaffold]

True lol

[chilly igloo]

It needs to be ko pi pimeja walo

ko pi walo pimeja is also not good because it's more black than white

[frigid scaffold]

This is weird tho:
leko lili ko pi kule ma loje
If you made the loje the headnoun after the pi, then it would just be leko lili ko pi loje ma and be essentially the same

[chilly igloo]

I'll change it

I just thought it was more brown than red

But that's unimportant

[frigid scaffold]

🤷‍♂️ I try to shorten things where we can, especcially for simlper things

[chilly igloo]

I agree it's a good change for sure

[frigid scaffold]

I confirmed 'em all seemed good

[chilly igloo]

You approved them @frigid scaffold

Ok

Cool

I'll move the colours to the contribution page

[unkempt loom]

ijo teloje o, the raw clay could also be translated as ko --- lete, instead of ko --- li lete

[frigid scaffold]

True

[chilly igloo]

100% agree it should be ko lete

Not ko li lete

[frigid scaffold]

@austere gale

[chilly igloo]

Afaik he can't pin things

[austere gale]

I can't pin messages

[frigid scaffold]

a

@chilly igloo Could you "pin" that colour picture from ages ago on the Contributing page?

[chilly igloo]

Yeah

Done

[frigid scaffold]

Ok, I'm a bit out and about today, I'll try to step back if I'm pinged here, but I can't edit until this evening

[chilly igloo]

👍

[austere gale]

I'm going to see what we've done so far

[chilly igloo]

@frigid scaffold we need to fix the steel names

It's not named in accordance with it being an alloy

[austere gale]

How do we fix that? Did you make a proposal for alloys?

[chilly igloo]

Currently alloys are named like

idk

kiwen wawa jelo pi tan tu

Or

kiwen wawa kule pi tan mute

Depending on the number of things it comes from

I already fixed the issue for steel

It will just sit yellow for a bit before I make it green

[austere gale]

kk

I have asked staff from Vintage Story if they'd be interested in getting an official TOK translation. They currently have a crowdin project that contains all their current translations

Also, github!

I've made us a github repo, and someone from the Vintage Story server sent me a JSON including a few translations to toki pona

GitHub Here

[chilly igloo]

I'm currently working on a mod to get the language working in the meantime

[austere gale]

langauge? You mean sitelen pona, correct?

[chilly igloo]

No

[austere gale]

OK, just a translation file with what we have in that case?

[chilly igloo]

Yes

Currently I have it showing up as an option in game

However it bitches that the tp language doesn't exist

So I'm currently trying to figure out why it won't detect the file

[austere gale]

True. I think the game only supports official languages (unless you can mod it otherwise)

[chilly igloo]

I'm inclined to say that this is false given:

I think if I got this far it should work

[austere gale]

fair enough haha

@chilly igloo Mind doing a pull request once you get something working to my repo?

[chilly igloo]

I haven't even looked at your github yet

I will once I get this stuff working

[austere gale]

It's pretty damn empty haha

[chilly igloo]

Ok

I'll take a look at it

I will add my python file to it when i get a minute

But I'll make the mod its own separate repo

I think that just makes sense

[chilly igloo]

You can't add languages but I might be able to overwrite traditional chinese or something

Or maybe I'll be not lazy and just actually make a code mod

Because I'm sure I can read C# well enough to add a language to a list lol

It's just Microsoft java anyway

[chilly igloo]

There's a Crowdin Toki Pona Entry but it's seen no activity in over a month

I think we should just continue as we are for consistency

Also the Crowdin interface seems much more unwieldy and less friendly to what we are using

Yeah it looks awful lol

It's not sorted whatsoever

[austere gale]

Ok, still it's good for copying text from and to our project

but regardless, what we're doing is fine for the moment.

[chilly igloo]

I agree

I may attempt to make the json generator smarter

So that it can combine json files automatically

Yes

I will be doing this

[austere gale]

kk cool

[chilly igloo]

It will be slightly aids

But it's definitely worth doing

[frigid scaffold]

What’s the status?

[austere gale]

Status of...?

[chilly igloo]

I got it working so that it can go from a json file to a list in the ABABAB pattern that I want

[austere gale]

Perfect,

[chilly igloo]

It requires some slight editing of the en.json file but it's very minor

[frigid scaffold]

Wonderful

[chilly igloo]

normally lines are "code": "language text",

But some are randomly "code" : "language text", because fuck you

So those need to be fixed but there's only like 20 so it's fine to do manually

[frigid scaffold]

I’ll probably make my own bash script at some point

[chilly igloo]

Sure if you want to

[frigid scaffold]

jq is perfect for this lol

[chilly igloo]

What is jq

[frigid scaffold]

bash library

[austere gale]

Do your best, I'll pray for u 🙏

[frigid scaffold]

I’ll probably just ask Gemini and then clean it up, bash syntax is so silly I don’t always feeling like dealing with it

It’ll only be like 20 lines, plus debug stuff/comments blah blah blah

[austere gale]

Also, the official translations for toki pona are on the crowdin site, can we upload our translations to it?

Unless they allow you to import from a CSV or JSON file, then it'll mostly be copying and pasting into the doc

[chilly igloo]

what on earth do you plan on doing with 20 lines lol

[chilly igloo]

They don't

afaik

[austere gale]

Okay, in which case, we will translate in the Google sheet and I can upload them myself

[chilly igloo]

Which is why I think we should just do this and be like 'hey we have a json file lol'

[austere gale]

That might be better, but there are some things worth mentioning as I was using crowdin.

It requires a use of parentheses on some text items that use parentheses so that's something interesting

I'm asking one of the developers of VS rn what is most convenient for them in regards to a JSON script or a Google Sheet.

Either way, we are still going to use the Google sheet

[austere gale]

How are you guys doing, in regards to outside toki pona?

[frigid scaffold]

Chill, I live on island, taking the boat back now

[frigid scaffold]

csv -> json

Well I’m gonna use two inputs, so probably more than 20 lines

But jq does so much heavy lifting

[chilly igloo]

That was like 8

[frigid scaffold]

What the code above?

[chilly igloo]

What

[chilly igloo]

This is incredibly simple

And not what I'm doing rn

Well

I'm playing CS rn

But

That's not what I meant obviously

[chilly igloo]

I'm sick

[frigid scaffold]

Actually lol it’s just one line

omg I should do this in 2 lines lol

That would be funny

I should do this in 1 line lol

[chilly igloo]

What does it even do in 1 line

[frigid scaffold]

convert to json, match keys with the original, replace original values at key with the translated version and saves to a new file

[chilly igloo]

Bro wtf

[frigid scaffold]

All in bash baby

[chilly igloo]

show me it

[frigid scaffold]

I’m not done lol

It’s so messy in a single line

I just wanted to see if it’s possible

Give me lots of time

I’m not using AI so it’s slower

[chilly igloo]

I mean you can do literally anything on one line

You just made me think I was seriously overcomplicating things

[frigid scaffold]

That’s the point, but the amount of pipes and parentheses

[chilly igloo]

Which I definitely am but I think my code will be more useful because of it

[frigid scaffold]

Are you on Linux?

[chilly igloo]

gentoo

[frigid scaffold]

booooooooooooooooo

Well at least you can use bash

[chilly igloo]

I use zsh

[frigid scaffold]

[chilly igloo]

I hate bash lowkey

[frigid scaffold]

Bash is the cool old grandpa who can do literally anything somehow

People are haters cause they ageist

[chilly igloo]

Gramps needs to get with the times

[frigid scaffold]

He keeps with it

[frigid scaffold]

screw the one line lol

this is dumb lol

[frigid scaffold]

mmmm jq parsing errors

yummy

I have literally had to go to AI lol, it's some weird error in how it reads . when it's an object or something as it's looping

Oh be quiet, AI saves time and tears

#!/bin/bash

CSV_FILE="vintage story - toki pona - Crops Farming Specifics.csv"
TARGET_JSON_FILE="en.json"
OUTPUT_JSON_FILE="output.json"

CSV_DATA_AS_JSON_ARRAY_STRING=$(tail -n +2 "$CSV_FILE" | jq -R --compact-output '[inputs | split(",") | select(length > 2) | {code: .[0], toki_pona: .[2]}]')

LOOKUP_TABLE_JSON_STRING=$(printf "%s" "$CSV_DATA_AS_JSON_ARRAY_STRING" | jq 'reduce .[] as $item ({}; . + { ($item.code): $item.toki_pona } )')

jq --argjson lookup_arg "$LOOKUP_TABLE_JSON_STRING" \
  '
   . as $original_target |
   $original_target | to_entries | map(
     if $lookup_arg[.key] then
       .value = $lookup_arg[.key]
     else
       .
     end
   ) | from_entries
  ' "$TARGET_JSON_FILE" > "$OUTPUT_JSON_FILE"

exit 0

FINAL

It outputs the entire original .json, but with the keys found in the Crops Farming Specifics.csv

So for anyone who has the game, you can drag and drop the file straight back into the game and it should just "work"

(idk how the game uses the file exactly)

but yea

there

󠄀

i'm just cool like that

󠄀

Later I will translate some more

@chilly igloo Why do you down react anything mentioning AI lol

You a troll?

[chilly igloo]

Because i do not approve of its usage on this project or in general

[frigid scaffold]

Strong opinion

Do you not understand what it is.... ?

[chilly igloo]

I fully understand lol

[frigid scaffold]

Then you should know it's just a bunch of math

Essentially lol

I don't know how you can oppose that, it's just an object lol