poki Lapo: Toki Pona library

[twilit haven]

I think it's a bit pakala Toki Pona, but I have improved sona mi since then.

[carmine quarry]

https://lipu.pona.la/add

should work

[twilit haven]

@carmine quarry o! I have the exact publish date, and the exact creation date. Why can I only type in publication?

[carmine quarry]

we dont store a creation date

[heady vigil]

you can either put the creation date or publishing date

whatever you have on hand

we in general don't use the creation date because uh that's not possible for the majority of texts

[twilit haven]

What if I didn't specify a license in the original publication, but I want to license it now?

There is a license field.

Hmm.

[carmine quarry]

you can specify it

otherwise you can also leave it blabk

[twilit haven]

I wrote "jan manpa tu li toki e ni:" once in the text!! a, mi pakala.

I think everyone understands it tho.

It's pretty bad Toki Pona. What's good is that I notice my many mistakes, which means I have improved.

I submitted it: https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/pull/65/commits/a55294ad504ebaf7fe5b3635149b34b57b1f2fb5

There are other pull requests too!

[jagged burrow]

great work on the /add page :o

looks like the >- and whitespace is still happening :/

@carmine quarry i want to finish my work on the vivi/more-stuff branch and merge it into main, but when i git clone https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki the repo, git branch only shows the main branch. what gives

[carmine quarry]

git pull

[carmine quarry]

whoops i missed the monday post time

[fierce gull]

what do you put for the tags?

[heady vigil]

for what exactly

[fierce gull]

i'm submitting a short poem of mine

[heady vigil]

I would say to put meta aspects

• poetry, short poem, original
  plus any themes or inspiration or whatever and any cws

original here as opposed to a translation

[heady vigil]

example:

original, poetry, short poem, dark, flowers, death

[fierce gull]

thanks jan Juwan!

[heady vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972923278479982592/1365245865111060510/soweli_dance_1.gif

[vague coral]

mi lukin e tu !
https://lipu.pona.la/2021/04/sike-lili-laso-walo/
https://lipu.pona.la/2021/06/sike-lili-laso-walo/

[heady vigil]

ona li ante lili la ona li kxk awen tu

[vague coral]

seme li nasin jusisa,, https://lipu.pona.la/2022/06/jaki-pona/

[vague coral]

lukin mi la toki [pona] li ante ala

https://mun.la/lipu/musi-lawa.html
poki "nimi ni li pona ala tawa sina la o lukin" li ken ala ken kama poki <details> lon poki [Lapo]

[warm valley]

submitting my translations rn

[warm valley]

was this already submitted?

[vague coral]

sona mi la ala

[warm valley]

guess I'll submit it then

Finished submitting them (can the [Nyanyanyanya! translation](#ante-toki message) be submitted lmao)

[carmine quarry]

btw im not announcing lipu.pona.la just yet because id rather we do something about branding first

[warm valley]

btw is it possible to like edit the submissions afterwards?
Forgot to add a tag on one of them

[carmine quarry]

through github

[vague coral]

tan semeee :<
https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/commit/9a986501cb83840d108947a9c5bbfd2dfcd4711c

[nova gale]

they are "jan" everyhere else

[heady vigil]

@fading plover O JAN

[fading plover]

a a a a a a
kala Asi li toki tawa mi lon ni la mi wile jan, tan ni: nimi mi jan li suli tawa nimi mi mun tan lipu Jutu mi

[fierce gull]

after I submit the form, do I have to do anything else?

[twilit haven]

mi ken ala alasa e toki musi mi.

[vague coral]

t-taso,,

[fierce gull]

kulupu pi poki Lapo li wan ala e ijo sina (e ijo mi kin) tawa poki

[prime jolt]

Kekan San uses both jan and mun, really
but it's probably best to keep it consistent

[vague coral]

mi sona li musi taso :p

[twilit haven]

mi sona. mi wile e ni: tenpo kama lili la, toki mi en toki sina li kama tawa poki Lapo.

[nova gale]

mi la mun li pona lon poka jan

[vague coral]

ni la mi o pana e seme lon poki pi lipu mama 😭 https://janusawi.bandcamp.com/track/o-lanpan-pan-nanpa-wan

[heady vigil]

hyphens grrr

[vague coral]

nasin SPDX li wile anu seme

kin BY-SA-NC li lon ala a

[heady vigil]

mi sona ala

[vague coral]

-# kin uhhh
-# li anpa li pana e https://hecko.my.to/toki-pona/draft-dump/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Lybo6IoNc

[heady vigil]

forgor

something that I really want to add but lack the patience to is the VRC powerpoint presentations

[heady vigil]

dumping here bc it's eepy time

[twilit haven]

tan seme la, ni li ante tawa 3.0?

ken la, ni li pakala.

[fierce gull]

mi sona ala, tenpo mute ala la, mi lukin e ken 3.0
taso mi sona lili e ijo ni

[twilit haven]

tenpo pini la, ni li 4.0

o ante ala e license.

If its not your work.

[vague coral]

https://janusawi.bandcamp.com/track/omekalike

o lukin e anpa lipu

e linja

[fierce gull]

ken la poki Lapo li ken ala pona kepeken ken 4.0 anu seme?

[vague coral]

mama li kepeken nanpa 3.0 · jan pi pana open li toki pakala e nanpa 4.0

[fierce gull]

a, sona

[twilit haven]

a. tan seme la, jan ni li pakala e nanpa?

[vague coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ · ken la jan [Juwan] li sona ala e nanpa li lukin e sitelen taso li pana e nanpa pi sin nanpa wan

[fierce gull]

ken 3.0 la, ken 4.0 la, ante li seme?

[twilit haven]

ante li ante. ni tu li sama ala.

There's a reason that the licenses have different numbers. It would be dumb if they were the same.

[vague coral]

sina pana ala e sona pi wile ona :p

https://creativecommons.org/Version4/
https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/License_Versions

[fierce gull]

a, pona

[twilit haven]

:( tenpo mi li tu. tenpo mi li pimeja.

[heady vigil]

mi lukin pona
mi pana pakala

[heady vigil]

@vague coral o

[twilit haven]

jan seme li pali e toki ni?

sina pali e ni anu seme?

[fierce gull]

ona li tan kalama musi ni anu seme

https://youtu.be/etyq8D4ZycU

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral is linebreak-fix ready to be merged? i assume it is, given its not a draft

[carmine quarry]

we are getting a shit ton of translations so i went ahead and updated the /add page to support translations

[carmine quarry]

doing css magic to make the field titles appear as part of the fields

[vague coral]

sona mi la ni · ken la jan li wile pona e lipu luka pi pali mi ala laaa

[carmine quarry]

merged

[vague coral]

sina pona tan wan :3

[carmine quarry]

various quality of life improvements to this page

okay >- is a multiline string its fine

i was like what is that even

@fierce gull in future submissions, use Markdown:

kasi  
li lon poka nasin  
nasin ni li  
pimeja li kiwen li seli  
ilo li tawa wawa lon ni  
 taso kasi li awen

kasi  
la jan li toki e ni  
 "jaki a! o weka e ni!  
 ni o lon ala lukin mi!"  
 ona li alasa pini e kasi  
taso kasi li awen

kasi o!  
 wawa sina li tan seme?  
 o pana e sona tawa mi  
sina lili, taso sina moli ala  
o pana e sike sina tawa ma ale!

double whitespace at the end (or \) does the same as <br>

[fierce gull]

oops didn't know i could do that

[carmine quarry]

double linebreak does the same as <p>

[fierce gull]

i thought i had to use html 😅

[carmine quarry]

we need to figure out a way to advertise that more clearly

[fierce gull]

(i only wanted single linebreak)

[carmine quarry]

well now you know

[fierce gull]

my other one i used <p></p> only for linebreaks so it shouldn't be so annoying

[carmine quarry]

fixed it too ye

for sustainability we need to figure out such a user experience that theres minimal manual editing by maintainers

[fierce gull]

wait by markdown do you not mean html tags

😅

[carmine quarry]

markdown is what we type in discord

[fierce gull]

ohhhh

i mixed up markup and markdown

🤦

[carmine quarry]

it has got:

• bullet points
• bold
• italic

titles

and so on

[fierce gull]

it seemed fine in the preview...

[carmine quarry]

yes because html is also valid markdown

but it sucks for anyone who will use your files for any purpose other than rendering

[fierce gull]

oh

sorry

[carmine quarry]

no worries, we are learning how to communicate that to users

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral is utala pi musi mu done? i wasn't paying attention

[vague coral]

pini

[carmine quarry]

@nova gale @vague coral @heady vigil pona ala pona

for the header

[nova gale]

i think we should first decide on a permanent name for open first

[carmine quarry]

lipu.pona.la is intended as a permanent link

is it not acceptable as the name?

[nova gale]

i don't know... would it be refered to as "lipu.pona.la"?

[carmine quarry]

feedback is welcome

[carmine quarry]

this is not particularly unusual; sona.pona.la is referred to as that or "sona pona" all the time

[nova gale]

speaking of: sona pona seems to be down... iirc the banner only has "sona pona" in it

[carmine quarry]

i can make it something like this but its already quite vague

tying it to the URL which is by definition as specific as possible helps with that imo

unless contributors think of a good solution, i think the best way to proceed is to go with something good enough, show it to the public, get them talking, see what name they adopt

no idea what kind of logo we could have that wouldn't look shit

[carmine quarry]

im not gonna do any better on my own

pushed. yall feel free to do better

[nova gale]

oh btw images are not working

[carmine quarry]

which images and where

if you mean {{{sitelen “0031_linluwi.png” “ilo linluwi” “kije Weku”}}} this is a data submitter skill issue

probably me but i don't remember

most of lipu tenpo has been submitted well, with images hyperlinked

[carmine quarry]

adding a youtube embed of the first source link that happens to be a youtube link

huge improvement damn

[carmine quarry]

announcing lipu.pona.la later today

[boreal meadow]

One of my works just got added which is a translation. First of all it contains a minor error (there’s a random 21 in the middle) and it doesn’t have the original stuff filled. How can I fix these?

[carmine quarry]

i think i manually went through and added original

generally people should fix things through github

but i understand this is only really something a few people will do

[carmine quarry]

original:
  title: "The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle"
  authors:
    - Arthur Conan Doyle

im not sure what you mean by original stuff not filled. maybe you haven't seen my manual add?

[boreal meadow]

Shouldn’t I be seeing it here?

[carmine quarry]

i think our metadata box doesn't say anything about original yet

its very "programmer ui"

[boreal meadow]

Oh sorry then

[carmine quarry]

i just wanted to do something quick and dirty so that someone smarter than me could design it well later

re: 21

do you just want the # 21 line removed?

[boreal meadow]

Yes

[carmine quarry]

anything else?

[boreal meadow]

No

Thank you very much

[carmine quarry]

cool ill just commit that

[boreal meadow]

Thanks a lot

[carmine quarry]

moved open to kulupu-lapo/lipu

[carmine quarry]

added a github link to the metadata box, for quick fixes

[nova gale]

@carmine quarry you might be able to prevent the crawling of the yt links by adding <meta name=”robots” content="index, nofollow">

(also that would probably be better for SEO anyways as we are not affiliating ourselves with/promoting the sites behind the links)

[carmine quarry]

fancy quotes lol

anyway ye sure

[carmine quarry]

merged some 2023-2024 transcriptions of kalama sin

lipu.pona.la: the Toki Pona library

We've been working on it for about a year! A library that includes Toki Pona prose, poetry, songs, blogposts, etc - everything we got our hands on. Look around, start reading, find something you like!

The collection, poki Lapo, is simple markdown files. Good for when you need a lot of plaintext! Technical discussion here: #1252224729977327647. Join if you spot mistakes or want to help!

https://lipu.pona.la/

@nova gale @vague coral does this look good

[vague coral]

We've been working on for about a year!
sina pali e seme :p

[carmine quarry]

on it*

🌈 mi pali e 🌈

[vague coral]

ante la wawa

[boreal meadow]

I am planning on adding my other stories as well which are in an anthology, but one was also in lipu monsuta. Firstly how can I make a collection for the anthology, secondly one story would be in both the lipu monsuta and the anthology’s collection, is that possible? And lastly wouldn’t that be a problem since someone else is going to add all of lipu monsuta separately, therefore also making a duplicate of that specific story?

-# this turned out a bit long

[carmine quarry]

how can I make a collection for the anthology
make a new file in kulupu-lapo/poki/collections

secondly one story would be in both the lipu monsuta and the anthology’s collection, is that possible
yep!

And lastly wouldn’t that be a problem since someone else is going to add all of lipu monsuta separately, therefore also making a duplicate of that specific story?
whoever stores lipu monsuta will have to be aware of you already adding it. or if the lipu monsuta collection file already exists, you can put the link there when you add the article

[vague coral]

mi pana e kalama tan kulupu pi jan [Misali] la mi alasa e nimi lon open la mi pana nanpa tu ala

[carmine quarry]

nasin pona

[vague coral]

jan Tene o lukin e https://lipu.pona.la/2018/06/mi-ken-ala-moli-e-pipi/ · ona li lon kulupu tu

[boreal meadow]

a! mi sona!

[rain lake]

mi lukin e pakala lili lon lipu ni: https://lipu.pona.la/2016/09/ilo-toki/
nimi ona o "ilo toki" anu seme?
lipu mama la nimi ona li "ilo toki" li "ilo toi" ala.

[heady vigil]

ni li pakala

[carmine quarry]

committed a fix

@heady vigil @vague coral o kama sona e nasin pona
if you or someone else finds a typo thats an obvious, simple fix:

[heady vigil]

pona

[vague coral]

pon a

[carmine quarry]

and (if its a simple fix), commit straight to main

very quick turnaround

outside contributors will have to open prs, unfortunately, but such is git

@boreal meadow assuming that's you who just opened a pr, i enabled workflows

you should now be able to debug your collection

[boreal meadow]

I'm sorry, I'm kind of new to this. What am I supposed to do exactly?

[carmine quarry]

so your PR is here:

https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/pull/81

you can now check that something is wrong

and the error is this:

from here, you probably know what you want to do about it

if i were to guess,
plaintext/2024/8/toki-pi-jan-lanto-kate.md
doesn't exist but
plaintext/2024/08/toki-pi-jan-lanto-kate.md
does

[boreal meadow]

Yes I see it too

thank you

[carmine quarry]

@boreal meadow btw sources can be comma-separated

i understand that's not intuitive, no one's been doing that so far

maybe i should change that to whitespace-separated

[boreal meadow]

Should I go back retroactively to change that?

or just continue that way from now on?

[carmine quarry]

ive already edited the ones you've submitted

just for future reference

[boreal meadow]

sure, sorry for the inconviniance and thank you

[vague coral]

lipu ilo mi la mi pana e poki pi linja mute la linja wan li tan wan

[heady vigil]

scary that a lot of people are with their eyes on us

[carmine quarry]

yes but i think this is an important step

[boreal meadow]

What is the problem here?

[bright leaf]

btw where does the description show

or is it a planned feature

[carmine quarry]

okay 3 people have asked about the description

updating it now

[heady vigil]

that's what you get by publishing something half done

[bright leaf]

oh lol

was that your threshold for "fine ill implement it"

thats such a mood

[carmine quarry]

looking into it right now

[bright leaf]

kanban api that shifts stuff from the backlog to "in progress" based on the number of in chat mentions

[vague coral]

a mi sona · sina open e pali la ona li lon ala · la ona li awen lon ala poki pali sina

[boreal meadow]

That must be it, right. It was forked before the article was added

[bright leaf]

speaking of which is there a kanban or a roadmap for reference in case i feel like doing something

[heady vigil]

what's a kanban 💥

[vague coral]

https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/issues

[bright leaf]

yeah but the open issues are just for sourcing of text

meant like for the frontend or the api backend stuff

[heady vigil]

they also keep track,,, mostly, of what is already added

ohh

[carmine quarry]

send me the full link to the .md file

[vague coral]

aa mi sona ala e wile sina lon open

[carmine quarry]

my current guess is your article and your collection are on different branches

[heady vigil]

in that case, doubling it and sending it to the API creatures

ask the kala and the soko

[boreal meadow]

Yes, yes. That must be the answer https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/blob/main/plaintext/2024/08/toki-pi-jan-lanto-kate.md

[vague coral]

mi pona e ni

[carmine quarry]

ah jan Kita figured it out

a feature request from jan Sonja: a tok / en interface switch

i can't be arsed in the near future but would be good

[vague coral]

ilo mun [Astro] la nasin pi toki mute li seme

[carmine quarry]

@boreal meadow i merged your collection file

[carmine quarry]

LMAO i really am the api creature. responding to all the post requests. map, library, dictionary, association, ...

[bright leaf]

are you sure you arent an api

[vague coral]

nnn lukin mi la toki ante o lon lipu ante · ni li pona mute ala tawa mi

[bright leaf]

have you checked

[carmine quarry]

i think you would have to either have a mirror of the entire site but /tok/, or dynamically update every UI element text upon a switch. both suck

[vague coral]

mi sona e nasin nasa pi ni tu ala

[heady vigil]

api Asi

rolls off the tongue nicely

[vague coral]

<style>
.lang-en [lang=tok], .lang-tok [lang=en] {
  display: none;
}
</style>
<button onClick="document.body.className = (document.body.className == &quot;lang-tok&quot;) ? &quot;lang-en&quot; : &quot;lang-tok&quot;;">A</button>
<span lang="en">meow</span>
<span lang="tok">mu</span>

[bright leaf]

usually people opt for the latter for i18n

theres a js library for it

since your stack is js

[vague coral]

ante la ni nanpa tu https://github.com/ruyadorno/dom-i18n

[bright leaf]

well, there's a few

the ones im thinking of are probably overkill though

[heady vigil]

what the hell is this

[carmine quarry]

i understand what you're doing here but yes this too sucks

[vague coral]

looon,,

[carmine quarry]

least scuffed option:

onclick of a localisation button, store in local storage; force a page reload

on first construction of a page, pick between two locales for each constructed string

no reactivity necessary

[bright leaf]

usually the locale is stored in a cookie front end and then during page load it pulls translations for each interface element but for two languages and a (somewhat) minimal project that uses github as a cdn and "oltp" i think what you suggested will probably work fine

[carmine quarry]

ye

lmao i just realised im exploding my github activity

[bright leaf]

lol

the last time i exploded my github activity was when i was still doing my cs diploma

shudders in ci/cd

[vague coral]

toki tu li lon la nimi lili [Tag] la o seme

[carmine quarry]

@heady vigil

[heady vigil]

awawa

[heady vigil]

wdym

[bright leaf]

i was gonna ask as well

[vague coral]

mi toki [pona] e ale la mi wile ala lukin e nimi pi toki [Juwese] anu seme

[bright leaf]

wait what is [] for

[heady vigil]

a

[bright leaf]

oh is that the cartouches

ah.

i was very confused for a sec

[heady vigil]

that's a problem for future us

[bright leaf]

LMAO

[vague coral]

ken la mi tag sweep la mi pali e lipu ni

music:
  en: music
  tok: kalama musi

[heady vigil]

yup but that's incredibly disruptive for now ✨

wait are you suggesting translations or what

[vague coral]

li pakala wawa e sina 💥

[heady vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/tbh-tbh-creature-yippee-yippee-creature-autism-creature-gif-25844104

[carmine quarry]

this would be bad to do in the metadata because this opens the possibility of mismatched translations

translation of tags should either not be done, or be done once

[vague coral]

a ni ala · ona ale li lon lipu wan

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/pull/87/files

is this noteworthy enough to be included

[vague coral]

@.@

[carmine quarry]

i feel like its a good rough approximation of "low quality submissions" with very little metadata and short text

so we need to figure out whether we treat them equal to everything else

[vague coral]

alasa mi la ona li pana ala e ni lon lipu ante

[bright leaf]

thats what i was asking about in kama sona

wait or was it here

somewhere

i guess you did say you'd cross the bridge when you came to it

[carmine quarry]

no i meant that for literal spam. this is more like, just short

[bright leaf]

oh, i was asking about stuff like this

haha

but also, i guess the question is if its low quality because of the poor metadata or the short text / content (which is closer to a translation of the tiktok trending song) or precisely in the intersection of both

cus theres a few pretty short translation works (of shorts and tiktok audios) too

[vague coral]

ken la jan wan li pali e ijo lili mute la ni li ken??

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral @heady vigil btw i explicitly allow and encourage you to merge submissions if you see them

check the metadata/text make sense, make edits if necessary, then if youre happy do Squash and merge, then please dont forget to Delete branch

telling you this, so that it doesnt necessarily have to go through me

[bright leaf]

distibuting the api load

[vague coral]

https://tenor.com/bPic4.gif

[bright leaf]

[butterfly meme with text "is this... sharding?"]

[carmine quarry]

any solid foss project should have a single point of failure somewhere in russia, of course

[bright leaf]

wheeze

[heady vigil]

of course

insert here that one xkcd

[vague coral]

-# mi alasa e xkcd pi toki sina la mi sitelen e xkcd la toki kama wile mi li nanpa wan tan alasa pini mi 😭

[carmine quarry]

im being relatively diligent with having several people able to take over my projects in the event that i am run over by a bus fall out of a window

[bright leaf]

damn

wait are you literally in russia

[heady vigil]

yeah

[carmine quarry]

wasona, linku, lapo, sin kulupu, suno are all owned by orgs

[bright leaf]

oh-

[carmine quarry]

lmao

[bright leaf]

i thought that was part of the musi

😭

damn

[carmine quarry]

its gods musi on me

[heady vigil]

right in the middle

[vague coral]

https://x.com/6thgrade4ever/status/1433519577892327424

Druthers Haver (@6thgrade4ever)

the most consequential figures in the tech world are half guys like steve jobs and bill gates and half some guy named ronald who maintains a unix tool called 'runk' which stands for Ronald's Universal Number Kounter and handles all math for every machine on earth

X · Sep 2, 2021, 7:57 PM

[carmine quarry]

fun fact i am not there right now

(no offline classes these few months i need to attend)

[carmine quarry]

is there fish in your toki pona project? its more likely than you think.

[nova gale]

fish? in my toki pona? how queer!

[bright leaf]

how many degrees of separation are there between kala and ajemi

[heady vigil]

zero

[carmine quarry]

its a good example of a project ive not really touched or collaborated with! most relevant connection i can describe is that Ajemi uses the ucsur standard, which was put tigether in 2022 based on commonly seen features of fonts at the time, the distribution of which was greatly facilitated by Linku (no clear "default font collection" prior to it), which I started

the impact of jan Ke Tami, mun Kekan San, jan Lepeka is much greater than mine here, of coursr

[bright leaf]

interesting

[bright leaf]

lol

these is at least one kala in every tp project

even if its not kala Asi

theres at least one kala

BAHAHA

secret kala agenda

[carmine quarry]

[musi] a suno pi toki pona is contractually oligated to be organised by a kala

[vague coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4ve08j7_U

[heady vigil]

may I ask someone who is good at regex, is there any way to automate adding line breaks to the text

[vague coral]

mi ni
([^ \\])\r?\n(.) → \1 \n\2

@heady vigil

[heady vigil]

WAWA ALE

hmmm not sure that's right

[vague coral]

??

[heady vigil]

no wait tha's wronger

shhhhh

[vague coral]

nasin mi li pona · taso o luka e toki taso e poki sona ala

(ken la mi sitelen pakala e ona)

-a!

([^ \\\n])\r?\n(.)

[heady vigil]

it looks like you are adding spaces to all the lines

o

[heady vigil]

btw how do we deal with vocal synths, vocaloids and utauoids and whatever

I am hugely tempted to add them to the author section

[carmine quarry]

consider this: author is a good field to think about creative works copyright. vocal synth voicebanks arent helpful for that

[carmine quarry]

you can make a tag perhaps

[vague coral]

ilo li pali ala e toki 😭

[heady vigil]

:(

didn't we also talk about adding info about related people

[vague coral]

ni li ken · taso ni o ijo ante

[heady vigil]

grumble grumble

if kulupu jan tenpo can have Jules as a singer, why can't my silly covers have Kasane Teto

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-spin-kasane-teto-vocaloid-gif-4888694876011655461

[vague coral]

ona li ken ala? li jo ala??

ona li lon toki pi jan taso

ken la ona o lon poki notes

[heady vigil]

poki notes isn't machine readable

[vague coral]

-# o anpa

[heady vigil]

mi anpa e sina

[heady vigil]

it SHOULD

grr

[vague coral]

https://derpibooru.org/images/3557803

ken la

authors:
  - jan Misali
other-roles:
  - name: Jules
    role: singer
  - name: mumumu
    role: proofreader

[boreal meadow]

Are there footnotes in markdown? If not how should I substitute them?

[vague coral]

mun li lon ala.[^1]

[^1]: sona ni li tan lape mi

[vague coral]

@carmine quarry o · ni li ike seme

[carmine quarry]

youre free to rework everything to use this. also make a closed set of allowed roles

[boreal meadow]

Is this supposed to turn into superscript anu seme? It doesn't

[vague coral]

ona li lon ala nasin [Markdown] mama · taso ona li lon nasin poka li lon lipu :p

[vague coral]

@heady vigil o · seme li wile :3

[heady vigil]

ale

[vague coral]

jan lukin · jan mu · jan/kulupu pana · seme ante

[heady vigil]

also. is it just one per person?

that's gonna cause problems

[carmine quarry]

but also other-roles-ers shouldnt have author pages

so that defeats the purpose of marking vocaloids imo

[heady vigil]

💥

[vague coral]

mi wile ala kama e any-to-any mapping la

authors:
  - jan Kita
other-roles:
  - name: jan Kita
    role: singer
  - name: jan Kita
    role: publisher

[carmine quarry]

also how are you gonna input that in /add

[vague coral]

...a.

miii sona ala.

[carmine quarry]

also listing the same person several times is just like, not helpful to the reader

this feels like designing a problem into exostence

[vague coral]

ma [Genius] la ni · taso pali suli ilo

[carmine quarry]

instead of doing the common sense stuff

[heady vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-food-porn-food-coma-ate-too-much-seal-gif-15356928

[vague coral]

anpa

[vague coral]

mi o lipu e nasin

[heady vigil]

ponaa

[vague coral]

https://github.github.com/gfm/

,,a taso nasin [^1] li lon ala ni tan majuna li lon ma [GitHub]

[boreal meadow]

I ended up putting the footnotes in parentheses. They were short enough to fit right in the running text

[vague coral]

Files shall target compatiblity with GitHub Flavored Markdown, a superset of the popular CommonMark standard. In particular, strikethrough and tables are used by several files. Some files also use footnotes, which are supported by GitHub, but not listed in the GFM spec due to its age. All other formatting, if crucial to the presentation, shall be done using raw HTML.

Single line breaks (AKA "soft" line breaks) are by default converted into spaces by most Markdown renderers, but into <br> elements by most GFM renderers. To prevent confusion and to be able to spot mistakes automatically, soft line breaks are forbidden and will be replaced when found. Line breaks without paragraph spacing (e.g. in poetry or lyrics) shall instead be transcribed as hard line breaks, represented by either two spaces, a backslash, or (commonly in this project) both at the end of a line.

[bright leaf]

wait, wasnt 2021 organised by kala pona

o . 0

[heady vigil]

that's why it is 'a kala' and not 'this kala'

[vague coral]

🤔 https://archiveofourown.org/wrangling_guidelines

[hasty quarry]

mi la, sources should be mandatory (and non-discord imo). this would increase the quality of the metadata & discourage low-effort submissions

[carmine quarry]

i think thats a good way to do it. but now we need to go through every sourceless file. lol

[hasty quarry]

i meant just for the web submissions but doing it poki-wide would be nice too

[carmine quarry]

add youtube links for jan kijon songs

[plucky umbra]

Writing is my passion.

Sometimes I try to hard to write something and get stressed out and then don’t write for a month and focus on other things like playing violin or YouTube. Consistency is key apparently, I have also roughly 400 drawings on my iPad for lipu tenpo

[swift imp]

wawa

[heady vigil]

I wish I could write anywhere like that lol

[vague coral]

nasin nasa sin ken
pandoc insa.txt -f gfm+hard_line_breaks -t gfm-hard_line_breaks --wrap=none -o outsa.txt

[carmine quarry]

"insa" is just "in" said by jar jar binks

[vague coral]

a kala o · mi wile pana e ni lon ilo pi moku lipu · taso ona li ante e nasin · *mu* _mu_ li kama *mu* *mu* · ni li ike ala ike

[carmine quarry]

go for it

[vague coral]

-a mi ken ala ante e kulupu-lapo/submit · ni li wile ala wile

[carmine quarry]

ill make sure you have edit rights org-wide

@fading plover i made you an owner of kulupu-lapo for bus-proofing

[vague coral]

kin: a

Pandoc installation is required.
https://www.npmjs.com/package/node-pandoc

[carmine quarry]

https://github.com/kulupu-lapo @vague coral shouldl have the invite

[fading plover]

ni li pona tawa mi!

[vague coral]

mi toki tawa ilo la ilo li pana e nasin ante ken pi ilo marked.lexer() · taso ona li pona ala pona,,

[carmine quarry]

@full root thanks for the submissions!
useful information for the future: markdown supports single line breaks too!

lon pimeja la mi lape ala, mi pilin
<br>mi tawa ale ma tan ala tawa ala

can become

lon pimeja la mi lape ala, mi pilin \
mi tawa ale ma tan ala tawa ala

or two whitespaces after pilin

(we need to figure out a way to present this information on /add instead of editing manually afterwards)

[nova gale]

or two whitespaces after pilin
i prefer ni; makes the source more readable

[carmine quarry]

me too

[full root]

oh woah thank you for letting me know!! :D i am not at all familiar with markdown 😅

[vague coral]

mi · jan Juwan li \ · ni nanpa tu li kama pona tawa mi,,

[full root]

also i totally forgot to paste the "from album 'mu wawa'" note on every submission without the first one, if you could add that itd be great! album titles are important prolly

[vague coral]

@heady vigil o · ijo tu

• sina pana e kalama ale pi jan wan la o pana e nanpa tenpo lon https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/issues/37 lon wile
• nasin sina li seme a la pakala li awen kama tan poki sona sina

[vague coral]

mi ken kulupu e ona!

[nova gale]

we have collections for this

(see /collections/)

[carmine quarry]

soko Kan's submissions are all merged, so if anyone wants to open a PR for a collection now you can

ooh jan Leli knows about the markdown linebreak

[nova gale]

wait i just got an idea: what if we just created an astro content collection loader that gets the contents of poki without cloning it (by using the github REST API for repo contents) and forcing a rebuild (with the related API route)

no need to clone the repo every time

[carmine quarry]

main issue: loading is then client side which sounds to me like itll be considerably slower than a static site

additional issue: mi la no need to fix what isn't broken

[nova gale]

no it's not. astro would load the repo contents on generation time. that's why we would reload the site every time poki is being pushed to

[carmine quarry]

okay then i don't understand the difference

[nova gale]

also, i'd consider the current statequite broken:

• non-semantic git use
• clogging up the commits
• constant pulling of the repo when developing

[carmine quarry]

you shouldn't be developing on main anyway

pushing to a branch is unaffected

[nova gale]

current:

• subrepo
• recloning every time poki is being pushed to
  proposed:
• no subrepo
• only thing being updated is the SSG target
• no unnecessary commits

• the poki directory wouldn't exist in lipu's git

[carmine quarry]

please unabbreviate SSG

[nova gale]

static site generation

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_site_generator)

[carmine quarry]

what are you thinking for bumping the deployment then

what starts it

[nova gale]

pinging this github api route, as i explained

that would still happen in poki's actions

[carmine quarry]

you're free to try implement that

[nova gale]

great. i'll make a branch

[carmine quarry]

clogging up the commits
you were working on that iirc but didnt get it to a working state

[nova gale]

yep. that was at 3am tho. i was getting back to it when i tought about this way of doing it

[carmine quarry]

oh also @nova gale consider the usecase of local builds

they have to keep working

[nova gale]

they will. astro will download the latest poki on every run

[carmine quarry]

also that restarting npm run dev isn't gonna take forever

[nova gale]

astro caches the content collections

[carmine quarry]

kk

[nova gale]

or as the astro blog post put it:

There’s no performance hit: Astro caches the data locally between builds, meaning that updates can be fast and can minimize the number of API calls that need to be made.

[nova gale]

@carmine quarry could i have perms to lipu?

[carmine quarry]

done

[nova gale]

[carmine quarry]

its always strange to me how org Member doesn't grant write access to org repos

i get the logic but ye

[nova gale]

so true! it's probably made for larger communities (e.g. the linux kernel) so that people won't constantly fuck them up

I made a branch on lipu that contains some proposed style changes

• make the accent color match the logo in dark mode
• adjust the background to be a wee bit lighter so it still looks good
• make paddings and border radii consistent
  and some perhaps more contriversial ones
• make the <main> container match the <header> and the <footer> while making longer paragraphs quite a bit more enjoyable to read.
• moving the works on the landing page inside a scrollable box to make the it a bit more attractive and not ridiculously long
• adding a /all route that is basically just the old landing page without the introduction

[nova gale]

i will now try to implement this

[nova gale]

oh and also i'll rebase this so i can make the /add page match the style

[carmine quarry]

looks good for the most part. i think the width is too much but i understand why some people would prefer it

[nova gale]

i can also compromise by making it like 800px or something?

[carmine quarry]

feel free to try that

[nova gale]

here is 800

[carmine quarry]

also the landing page with the newly applied background colour doesn't have a transition

[nova gale]

so it seems. i'll fix this

[carmine quarry]

make sure the scrollable block makes sense on mobile

[shut flume]

does the scrollbox have tabindex=0 and an accessible name assigned

[carmine quarry]

like what happens if it takes up the full screen but you actually want to scroll to the bototm

[nova gale]

it does

it has like .25rem or smth of margin

[carmine quarry]

a bit too little contrast, feel free to remove the background colour in the scrollable block or tweak the accent colour

[shut flume]

i think i grabbed the wrong color

[nova gale]

it's .all would adding tabindex help?

[shut flume]

but feel free to verify the updated ratio with this https://dequeuniversity.com/color-contrast

[nova gale]

working on this

[shut flume]

what do you mean

[nova gale]

the tabbing order looks like this rn

[shut flume]

it's not about the tabbing order, it's about making the container focusable

[nova gale]

it is focusable

[carmine quarry]

definiteily rebase before doing any more work cause the font + header update might inform some decisions

[shut flume]

ok perfect does it have an accname

[nova gale]

no, it's just generic i'll add aria-label is this ok?

[shut flume]

better to do aria-labelledby, point it to the 'browse all 1155 works' subheading and add a role of 'region'

[nova gale]

is this better?

[vague coral]

ni tu li sama mute li sama ale ala
https://mun.la/lipu/ale-li-nanpa.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgkDx8dIAio
la seme o seme

[heady vigil]

o lipu ante

[heady vigil]

sorgy 🥺

[prime jolt]

I've been thinking, is Lapo a contraction of lipu ale pona?

[carmine quarry]

yep

[nova gale]

proposition to rename lipu Lapo to lipu lipu [tone indicator intensionally omitted. go figure]

[vague coral]

https://ewie.online/posts/20250514-oki-i-did-it-here-s-/

[carmine quarry]

@nova gale instead of a scrollable area we could offer the 5-10 latest works and then an /all link

similarly we could show like the most prolific authors or tags or something

[nova gale]

yep. I actually switched to that yesterday

too many problems with all works

[heady vigil]

mouse 🥺

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral @heady vigil music request: jan Sepulon

[vague coral]

lon,,

[heady vigil]

oh true

they're not in the database yet, that's so odd

[carmine quarry]

@heady vigil @vague coral number of articles in poki/main over time

[heady vigil]

🥺

I wonder what are those jumps

[carmine quarry]

big merges

like lipu tenpo

[heady vigil]

ok true

[vague coral]

@heady vigil o · mi anu sina o lon e jan Sepu o jan Sweepulon o ijo pi wile kala

[heady vigil]

hehe

you're free to if you wish

[carmine quarry]

i added a new util

[heady vigil]

[carmine quarry]

it looks at jan Ke Tami's music playlist and tells us what links are missing from the archive

[vague coral]

(mi wile ala tu e pali la mi wile sona)

[heady vigil]

a

[carmine quarry]

not hooked up to any ci, just something we can run from time to time

[vague coral]

ni jasima li ken ala ken :3

[heady vigil]

you do it

o sina

[carmine quarry]

sure

[vague coral]

ɒnoq

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral @heady vigil

some of these may already be on music but i wouldn't know

in some cases, should be as simple as throwing a link into the correct file (jan Kijon)

[heady vigil]

they are

tetsusquared la, I added that

[carmine quarry]

music is one of those "final frontiers"

after its done, im not sure what else we desperately have to document

[hasty quarry]

made a PR that makes sure ppl dont use html tags in the text n such ^-^

tbh we could probably just auto-replace it, but nice to be clear that they can type in markdown

[carmine quarry]

awesome work

thoughts on maybe catching this?

its quite a bit less clearcut than your other cases tho

[hasty quarry]

ya if that's something ur seeing (or expect to see) in submissions but wanna not have then sure go wild, just add another thing under line 62 formatted like [/<div>/, "Text should use markdown not HTML <div> can be replaced with ..."],

could also do the <hX>s

[carmine quarry]

feel free

[heady vigil]

videos?

for example, no videos by Kekan or VRC have been transcribed

[carmine quarry]

non music videos that is

[heady vigil]

bleh

[carmine quarry]

thankfully we can use the same approach

just gonna need a good playlist(s)

[heady vigil]

would be so helpful if we have speech to text to help with the bulk of it 🥺

[fading plover]

false! A lot of my stuff has subtitles
Which you could almost certainly just download via yt-dlp and adapt

[heady vigil]

when I mean transcribed I mean inside Lapo

but thank you so much

[vague coral]

mi wile ni li sona ala ni 😔

tenpo la mi sitelen luka e ijo mtpvr

[heady vigil]

that's right btw (x)

 yt-dlp --skip-download --write-subs --write-auto-subs --sub-lang en --sub-format ttml --convert-subs srt --output "transcript.%(ext)s" <URL_GOES_HERE_WITHOUT_QUOTES> && sed -i '' -e '/^[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9].[0-9][0-9][0-9] --> [0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9].[0-9][0-9][0-9]$/d' -e '/^[[:digit:]]\{1,4\}$/d' -e 's/<[^>]*>//g' ./transcript.en.srt && sed -e 's/<[^>]*>//g' -e '/^[[:space:]]*$/d' transcript.en.srt > output.txt && rm transcript.en.srt 

[twin prism]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/:digit:
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/:space:

[heady vigil]

shut the fuck up

[carmine quarry]

🤓 digit 🤓 space

[heady vigil]

that's also didn't work

ah because of the language

[nova gale]

updated some consistency stuff in /add. will redo the index now and then finally fix the contrast issues after going to sauna rq (byee)

[heady vigil]

I don't know what to put here

[vague coral]

mi pana a e ni anu seme

https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/blob/main/plaintext/2023/04/esun-pi-jan-suli-ike-pi.md

[heady vigil]

come on

[twilit haven]

jan Sepu li jan seme. nimi mi en nimi ona li sama.

a a a! toki mi li lon poki Lapo! https://lipu.pona.la/2025/04/utala-lili-jan-sepo-27-04-2025

[vague coral]

mi kipisi musi e nimi [Sepulon] la [Sepu] en [lon] li kama

[fierce gull]

jan Sepulon li lon, ni li lon

[carmine quarry]

100 prs

some of those were api tests

but still damn

[heady vigil]

@vague coral there is an issue with the regex tool, if the text has one space at the end, the tool just doesn't ignores the whole line

which is a problem because one space isn't enough to break the line

[vague coral]

sona

[heady vigil]

can u fix 🥺

[nova gale]

i (once again) revamped the landing page. opinions?

i was also thinking about adding a graph that shows the entry count over time to the stats area

(also the stat blocks work as links to the related sites)

[unique light]

Epic!

Kinda looks nice

[heady vigil]

I am not entirely sure what to do here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPV7fAgt-MY

this is so bad that I can't understand it

[vague coral]

miii sona ala ni · taso sina ken weka e kon kepeken +$

[heady vigil]

awawa

ok

another thing, with tags, how should I say that something is X rather than discusses X

say, something talks about music rather than being music

[vague coral]

nnn

topic.music en type.music,, · taso ni li wile e ante pi lipu ale

[heady vigil]

💥

[vague coral]

sama la · seme la mi o toki e ijo pi wile len ken · CW spiders anu CW - spiders anu spiders anu seme · (CW: spiders li kama {"CW": "spiders"} la ike)

[heady vigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona/comments/1ah3uzn/ijo_palisa_kukenpitopon_kalama_musi_kepeken_e/

[vague coral]

https://hecko.my.to/toki-pona/draft-dump/#mi-sewi-tenpo :3

[heady vigil]

kukenpitopon tu wan

• https://redd.it/1ah3uzn/
• https://redd.it/1bkthsu/
• https://redd.it/1g3235n/

[vague coral]

mi pini e pali pi jan Sepulon · li kama sona e kalama tu ni → ona li lon ala lipu ona pi ma [YouTube]

[twilit haven]

Please also add entry count over time based on the date listed as the date of publication.

I wonder if a translation of my own work would count.

[nova gale]

Yea that's what i was gonna do

[fierce gull]

do you mean if you translated your writing from another language to toki pona?

that would be cool

[twilit haven]

Yes. I have written a lot of stories.

[heady vigil]

I thought that someone really disliked you, and it was just penpo

[fierce gull]

jan Sepo li ike ala. ona li wawa

[twilit haven]

ni li lon ala. mi toki ala e toki pona la, ilo li pana tawa toki mi e sitelen !ike_suli.

[twilit haven]

sina pona.

[nova gale]

Contributing and project overview

poki Lapo

poki Lapo is a library and monolingual corpus for toki pona. Our vision is to expand it to include all types of media in toki pona, including books, poetry, music, comics, posts and more. Files are transcribed by volunteers into Markdown format with metadata and stored in a GitHub repo.

To commit works to poki Lapo, you can clone the repo at kulupu-lapo/poki on Github. If you do not have experience with git or this feels like a too big commitment, you can also send single entries right from this site using the /add feature.

You can also join the ma pona pi toki pona discord to talk to the maintainers on our #tomo-mute-forum thread.

lipu Lapo

lipu Lapo (this site) is a frontend for poki Lapo. It is based on the Astro static site generator hosted on Github pages that renders the entries and collections from the markdown files stored in poki Lapo.

is this a fine overview of what we do?

[vague coral]

jan Ke Tami li pana e kalama mute lon ilo [Discord] taso la ni o lapo ala lapo

[twilit haven]

nimi lapo li seme?

[nova gale]

o lapo

[twilit haven]

mi sona ala

[nova gale]

lipu ale pona

poki Lapo = poki pi lipu ale pona

[vague coral]

n · @heady vigil la seme

jan tu li toki e pona la mi ijo

[twilit haven]

a. sitelen wan pi nimi lapo li suli ala.

[vague coral]

mi ni tan musi

[heady vigil]

mi lapo

[heady vigil]

kalama ni li seme

lipu li tan ma Siko la ona li ken lapo

[vestal herald]

mi wile pana e ona tawa lipu ante
taso ni li wile e tenpo

[nova gale]

I added this text to the landing page and recolored links and restyled the search results to improve accessibility

[vague coral]

#1335050179228864592 message

[heady vigil]

o lapo

[vague coral]

-# ken la mi pali e sitelen tawa ona,,

[nova gale]

also, here is previews for the landing page

[carmine quarry]

the note to contributors should be moved to a subpage. contributors are not the target audience for the landing page, we will have an order of magnitude more users than contributors

[nova gale]

Righty 👍 How about the overview stuff?

[vague coral]

ken la o nanpa e suli lipu kin · "lipu 1196 la nimi 8675309 li lon"

[nova gale]

"word" defined how exactly?

[vague coral]

ni li suli ala · "xnopyt" li ken nimi :p

[nova gale]

is " [[ " a word?

how about "BY-SA"

or "https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/8152835443_10cb8b3fe8_4k.jpg"

[vague coral]

nimi ala nimi la ni li ante lili taso e nanpa suli

[nova gale]

the first file i opened la there were 8/16 fake words on the first line only

[vague coral]

! https://github.com/remarkjs/remark/issues/251

[vague coral]

lon linja nanpa wan taso :p · kin ilo li moku e nasin Markdown la nimi ike li weka

[nova gale]

@carmine quarry o, mi ken ala ken e ni:

User-agent: AI2Bot
User-agent: Ai2Bot-Dolma
User-agent: aiHitBot
User-agent: Amazonbot
User-agent: anthropic-ai
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Disallow: /

[carmine quarry]

go for it

[nova gale]

otherwise crawling the entirity of toki pona would be too easy

[carmine quarry]

im sure they crawl all source code on github anyway

[nova gale]

sure

but they have rate limits and stuff

[vague coral]

esun [Microsoft] li lawa e ilo [GitHub] e esun [OpenAI] la,,

[nova gale]

should we allow non-scraping ai bots (chat users that ask about Lapo and those search engine summaries mainly) to access lipu?

[nova gale]

it's still way less than all ofthat stuff above

[vague coral]

https://huggingface.co/datasets/bigcode/the-stack-v2

[vague coral]

mi ni

[heady vigil]

the difference between how I and Kita write commit summaries is hilarious

[vague coral]

mi toki musi lon pona pakala taso :p
-# sina pona ala e pakala la sina toki musi ala :p :p

[heady vigil]

mi lukin ala e pakala la pakala li lon ala

[vague coral]

ilo li lukin e pakala li ❌ e ante sina li mu e sina lon poki toki

[heady vigil]

mi lukin ala e ilo ni

la ale li pona tawa mi :)

[vague coral]

mi lukin·e·ilo·ni e sina >:(

[vague coral]

@heady vigil MU https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/actions/runs/15262752920/job/42923355458?pr=64

[heady vigil]

ahh eto blehh

is there any way to run that locally

that would be better

[carmine quarry]

cd utils/validate
yarn install
yarn run validate

[heady vigil]

awawa

[carmine quarry]

@heady vigil @vague coral new collection idea: suno pi toki pona by year

[heady vigil]

sure

surprised it isn't a collection already

[boreal viper]

I just used the frontend to remind myself of the order in which i wrote lipu lili tu mi tawa utala musi pi toki pona 🩷 😅

10/10 very useful would recommend to a friend

*will (I've been working on a website lately)

[vague coral]

ilo "tomo luka luka wan pi pali sin" li wawa ni tan seme 😭

[vestal herald]

terrible Portuguese!

[vague coral]

seme li wile lapo e jan ni pi sitelen mute tu ale >:3 https://www.youtube.com/@minervascientia282

[heady vigil]

ilo a...

toki pona li LON SEME

[vague coral]

[jagged burrow]

@nocturne rain o · sina pana e lipu sina "open jan" · mi a li pana sama e lipu ni (e lipu ante kin pi kulupu sina) la mi weka e pana sina · sina wile la o kama pana e lipu sin sina o weka e wile pi pana mi

[nocturne rain]

mi kama sona e ni. pona tawa sinaa

[upper moss]

is it possible to change the attribution of an entry to multiple ppl?

nvm i figured it out

its just adding more names under authors anu seme

[nocturne rain]

wile )
mi sitelen pona la mi kepeken sitelen te/to. sitelen Lasina la mi kepeken nimi te/to ala, li kepeken sitelen "". lipu pi kulupu mi li ken ala ken ante lon ni?

[jagged burrow]

mi ante e lipu

[upper moss]

oh i saw the proofreaders sections and put the other names there instead, hope thats ok
also submitted the pr

[vague coral]

toki pona ilo 😔 || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJT5J0qqQ4 ||

@heady vigil o · ilo li pali ali e ijo la ona o lapo alala po

jan li kama sona lon tenpo ilo tu wan la seme · https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-OuzMegINQ

[heady vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-explosion-gif-11079301938727146216

[fierce gull]

ona li pona ala…

taso ken la sina wile jo e lipu ale

[vague coral]

[heady vigil]

ken?????

[heady vigil]

mi kute ala e ni. jan li ken ala ken sona e toki ni

ken ala la ona li jaki ale la o lapo ala

[vague coral]

||tenpo pini lon, sina kama tawa
mi lukin e sina lon poka mi
tawa pona lon sike lili mi
taso tenpo pini lon, sina pini

kulupu mi lape, mi pilin ike
sina kama tawa, mi kama sona
tenpo pini lon, tenpo pini lon
sina tawa weka, tawa pini

tenpo pini lon, tenpo pini lon
mi wile e sina lon tenpo pini lon
tenpo pini lon, tenpo pini lon
mi tawa e sina lon tenpo pini lon||

[nocturne rain]

ponaa ^^

[fierce gull]

seme la nimi “lon” li lon

[heady vigil]

lon

[nocturne rain]

wile mi nanpa pini 🙏
poki Lapo la lipu mi 'jan Kisote pi ma Mansa' li lipu wan. poki mi la ona li tu (1, 2) (tenpo kama la ona li mute; mi wile suli e ona)
tenpo pini la poki mi la lipu li wan kin, taso mi ante e ni. mi wile e sama lon poki Lapo

[heady vigil]

this is one of the best songs I've heard, btw wtf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoQ-PcX93XM

@oblique stump mu mu, are you awake

do you have your own transcript for your songs

[oblique stump]

toki! i think i have them somewhere, i can grab them for you

[heady vigil]

yay

[twilit haven]

sad

[oblique stump]

hopefully they line up right with the lyrics actually in the videos aha

[twilit haven]

tan seme la, sina pali e musi kalama?

Sorry, I meant "how". "tan seme" means "Why".

[oblique stump]

how in what sense?

[twilit haven]

I don't know.

I just don't know anything.

I can write stories, but not much else.

[twilit haven]

How to write music I guess.

I am stupid.

[oblique stump]

no need to beat yourself up! i've personally just done some translated covers of existing songs so i have no idea about writing from scratch... with my lyrics it's usually that some line in toki pona will spring to mind, and then i'll sit down with the original lyrics for a bit to try and translate them in a way that works. usually it doesn't, and that's why i only have three covers (out of quite a lot that i've attempted), but yeah that's basically my process lol

[twilit haven]

The only music/songs I can imagine are brainrot words in the rythm of a song I have already heard.

(Context: I am Gen Z)

I would imagine translations being copyrightable by the original author as well as the translator. Something to keep in mind when adding these songs to poki Lapo.

Not one or the other, but both.

On Wikipedia you aren't allowed to take a copyrighted article, translate it, and publish it.

That's why I don't want to translate copyrighted works. I prefer owning the rights to stuff I create. Then I can also license them under any free license I want.

[nova gale]

Like 80% of poki works are ARR lol

[carmine quarry]

not true, a large percentage are lipu tenpo which are good

[nova gale]

ok true

[carmine quarry]

although maybe thats the 20%? maybe youve crunched the numbers

[nova gale]

no i haven't,, i can tho

oh wait it wouldn't be that hard actually

i already have an Excel of all poki lapo entries

[twilit haven]

All of my entries (only one, utala lili) is an original piece of work.

Can ilo wawa pi jan pali be added? #pali-musi message

[nova gale]

Nice

[twilit haven]

?

[nova gale]

so ~40%

[upper moss]

arr is by default right?

[heady vigil]

yes

that's copyright in a nutshell

[heady vigil]

does this include or exclude null btw

I am very sure that this is mostly on the hands of lipu tenpo (with CC BY-SA 4.0) and Ke Tami (with CC BY 4.0)

[upper moss]

hm my entry is a translation of a public domain work ...
so I can change the license to whatever I want from arr... anu seme?

[heady vigil]

yup

[upper moss]

yee

[carmine quarry]

awesome

[heady vigil]

I suggest btw, please update the source as well if you can

[nova gale]

null=arr

also i defaulted all of the multilicensed works to the most permissive one

[heady vigil]

hell yeah

[vague coral]

mu AND LicenseRef-AllRightsReserved la seme

[nova gale]

mu

[vague coral]

n

en li en li anu ala

[upper moss]

sina toki tawa mi anu seme

[heady vigil]

hmm not sure what to do here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kniyiqdrw9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq2K1Y485H4

[carmine quarry]

yeaaaa lol

[heady vigil]

it is very cool to see toki pona being used over a decade ago but uh
I can't understand shit

[carmine quarry]

ye

[heady vigil]

is it okay to submit a blank entrye for now

[carmine quarry]

sure

[heady vigil]

I saw some cleanup tags on the website

is this anything

oh well

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral @heady vigil i recommend you pick a suitable point to merge music progress into main, because there are a lot of files touched and we might start conflicting

you can continue music work after the merge

[heady vigil]

okk

[vague coral]

mi la tenpo lon li ken pona

[heady vigil]

I'm doing a sweep of the spreadsheet that Asi sent

mostly touching on the smaller creators because they are the most fun for me

[carmine quarry]

i can send an updated spreadsheet after merging

[heady vigil]

true

if you all agree, I will commit my work and you can merge

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral @heady vigil could you two write like a short description of everything thats been touched in this pr, cause there are a lot of miscellaneous fixes

[vague coral]

pali mi la mi lapo e jan e jan e jan

[heady vigil]

changelog

• added music
• bug fixes

[vague coral]

pana wan la pali ale pi jan wan · pali li lon ala la mi lon e ona · pali li lon la mi pona e ona
(pana san kama la mi pona e pakala mi :p)

a kin mi pona e ilo pi alasa pakala

ni https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/pull/104
li lon pali kalama

[carmine quarry]

merged

[vague coral]

ponaaa

[carmine quarry]

@upper moss merged poki pi telo Amonsijato changes

@hasty pier hi, regarding your https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/pull/87 submission
can you provide anywhere else you've posted it to already?

@vague coral you were probably git merge maining into music which kind of sucks to read because it means recent history of main is included in the pr diff

git rebase maining avoids that

[vague coral]

a,,

[carmine quarry]

just for future reference

[carmine quarry]

maybt thats not what happened cause i don't see any merge commits

[vague coral]

Squashed commit of the following:

[carmine quarry]

yea okay if not for that commit i think the pr would mostly be easy to review

but ye its fine wrapping it up today and branching off from main again

ping me when yall are done

oh theres a conflict to resolve btw

just one file

merging music is exciting because the total file count is gonna get bumped significantly

[heady vigil]

hey what the fuck

did something happen

[carmine quarry]

checking

a rebase i think

by jan Kita

[vague coral]

sama wile sina

[carmine quarry]

much better

[heady vigil]

yummy

pushed my commits

is everything good

not quite

NOW it is

@carmine quarry feel free to whatever you want

[carmine quarry]

@vague coral @heady vigil were these moved (snogs by jan Ke Tami)

[heady vigil]

sem e

[vague coral]

mi sona wawa ala · taso ken

ona li kama lon tenpo ante lon lipu ona lon ma [YouTube] la ni

[carmine quarry]

jan Usawi's monsuta description is wrong

[heady vigil]

ni

[carmine quarry]

tawa lon linja
kalama musi pi pali e ni: ...
grammar preserved from somewhere?

someone fix "synthizer" please

and "sythesizer"

tbf we can do that later

[heady vigil]

blergh

it's just a search and replace

[carmine quarry]

lets use "vocal synth"

[heady vigil]

okk

there's also other synths btw

[carmine quarry]

ping me when you change it and ill merge

[carmine quarry]

wdym

[heady vigil]

music synth,,

speech synth

[vague coral]

https://janusawi.bandcamp.com/track/tawa-lon-linja

[carmine quarry]

well ye im aware. i don't think "vocal synth" breaks anything like that

[carmine quarry]

kk go tit

[heady vigil]

updated

[carmine quarry]

lmao

@heady vigil @vague coral merged

should be up on the site in a few minutes

we can check how many new pages we got

[heady vigil]

it's true

[carmine quarry]

1387 Works

[heady vigil]

this also serves as a list of tags for a on-site mining accident news story

[carmine quarry]

astonishing work honeslty

[heady vigil]

total or added ?

[carmine quarry]

total

[heady vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-basil-yay-happy-thank-you-gif-10404831679914734263

[carmine quarry]

was 1199 earlier today

[vague coral]

-# a pilin mi la pali mi li lili ni ala

la mi o awen pali !

[carmine quarry]

whoops we got a time traveler

ill fix the time travel on main

[vague coral]

ssseme,,

[carmine quarry]

https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/poki/blob/main/plaintext/2024/06/pan-li-kama-kiwen-tan-seli.md

was marked as 2025-06 in the metadata

[vague coral]

a a

[carmine quarry]

which would be in the future

[heady vigil]

lmao

oops

[carmine quarry]

ale li pona

[vague coral]

pilin mi la ilo li lukin e ni → lipu li lon poki tenpo ike

[carmine quarry]

i might write a tool for that

but no promises rn

[vague coral]

mi ken

[carmine quarry]

we can stash scripts like that in utils

go for it

note that for instance unknown-month and unknown-year is no longer a thing

cause all dates are mandatorily yyyy-mm-dd

so any files still left in there should move

[vague coral]

a musi

[carmine quarry]

top 10 authors has changed quite a bit

[nova gale]

kala o, I would be ready to merge the UI update branch. opinions?

[carmine quarry]

i can review

no open pr rn?

[nova gale]

it's a branch

[carmine quarry]

im aware

we use the pr interface as it comes with a diff

and you will probably have conflicts with the recent pr for error messages on /add

[carmine quarry]

ooh right @heady vigil im getting you a new spreadsheet

it has been ensmallened!

[vague coral]

kalama pi lanpan pan li lon ala lapo?!

[carmine quarry]

i asked temili to submit it via /add but they haven't had the spoons for it i assume

yall do it

[vague coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnb5NMPFQpc

[carmine quarry]

returning to this

@nova gale i opened a pr for you https://github.com/kulupu-lapo/lipu/pull/2

please resolve the conflicts

[nova gale]

will do

[nova gale]

got the conflicts resolved 👍

wait

what is this

[carmine quarry]

submodule mismatch

not sure how you'd end up with that honestly

maybe you've bumped it on your branch

if you hadn't there wouldn't be a conflict

best you can do is bump it again i suppose

[jagged burrow]

mi tu e lipu sama wile sina
sina pali e lipu sin la sina en mi ala o pana e ona tawa poki mi. ni la ale li ken sama wile sina
sina wile ala pana la mi awen ken pana e lipu sin sina

[jagged burrow]

you can add it yourself with this tool! https://lipu.pona.la/add/

[carmine quarry]

ill bump it for you

[jagged burrow]

haha i have concert videos that sound exactly like this. this is just how digital cameras from the 2000s reacted to super loud sounds

[carmine quarry]

hmm its made as a carousel

i would prefer a 1x4 / 2x2 grid on smaller screens

but that might be my anti-carousel bias

@nova gale merged

[nova gale]

thanks a lot!

[carmine quarry]

im not 100% happy with the black links, but its something we'll need to think about

maybe two shades of an accent colour

[nova gale]

true. also one idea would be to just change the accent entirely

[nocturne rain]

pona a tawa sina aaaa
tenpo kama la mi pana e lipu mi

[carmine quarry]

urgh i don't have build verification set up on lipu

@jagged burrow now that we have a frontend, please use prs instead of committing new files straight to main

so that main stays nice and clean and ✅ed

[jagged burrow]

will do

individual files la i guess i can just submit them via the website like anyone else

and mi wile pana e lipu mute la i'll make a branch and all that jazz

[carmine quarry]

yep

@nova gale i deleted your graph.js which was presumably you trying something out

having endpoints doesn't make sense on a static site anyway

unexpected benefit of your page width edit: bigger youtube embeds

[nova gale]

oop,, that was actually a test script for my other project lol

just tested it on lipu

[carmine quarry]

no worries

[carmine quarry]

random observation: early on i thought maybe some people would prefer filling metadata and others would prefer formatting the contents of the file

but apparently people like to do everything for a file in one go

[heady vigil]

yeah, it's sipmler

kala o, for the spreadsheet do you have any way to get the date of the songs as well

it would be very helpful for me I think

[carmine quarry]

i believe i do not

i will check though

yes, can confirm

youtube does not give timestamp information in playlists

i would have to make a request for every single video individually, which is both extremely slow and has got my youtube account api-banned before

(incredible, i know)

[jagged burrow]

@nova gale dark mode needs some CSS like this, or dropdowns are white text on a white background (note: i only briefly tested this in my browser Firefox)

option {
    color: black;
}

[carmine quarry]

inherit maybe?

[jagged burrow]

nope

[nova gale]

looks fine to me?

[jagged burrow]

mi toki e ni

[nova gale]

oooh

[carmine quarry]

<option> is a <select> thing, not a <details> thing

[nova gale]

that's an os issue i think

[jagged burrow]

ugh

[carmine quarry]

kde breeze dark

[nova gale]

works for me on GNOME

are you on a WebKit browser?

[jagged burrow]

if i set the <select>'s color to exactly black, the dropdown receives a black background. seemingly anything else (even #000001) makes the background white. baffling

fork of firefox so yes(?)

[nova gale]

no

firefox is gecko

[jagged burrow]

a firefox is not webkit, right

[nova gale]

it's not

which os

[jagged burrow]

windows 10

[nova gale]

well

that might explain

windows do be like that sometimes