#gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin

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azure gulch
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"freshness of knowledge la i am not one" was how i read the first sentence

atomic halo
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so fucke up

azure gulch
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i mean

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roughly it is the same meaning

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im still getting used to questions in gisi2 idk if im doing it right

atomic halo
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i read this as "is it from this person that you start focusing more"

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g?

azure gulch
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i meant to say "are you learning this from a person (teacher)"

atomic halo
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mmmmildly the same meaning

azure gulch
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lit la "from this person are you growing this knowledge"

azure gulch
atomic halo
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its just a friend i ask questions sometimes

azure gulch
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mmm

atomic halo
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i was lamenting to them about how my sagke 'ulun si magi ka las'e pagkan [kalama] 'uge

azure gulch
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nn

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silen 'ulun ka ka its like that fr

atomic halo
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lon....

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lu.........

atomic halo
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:gisigkai: menus

azure gulch
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menu. paka

remote junco
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menus like multiple of a game menu…?

atomic halo
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i think so

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its like. lots of inventory/other things management i think

remote junco
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Minecraft being labeled as parkour is funny to me because it has a lot of inventory management

atomic halo
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LONN

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depends on how you play i guess i definitely am menus with minecraft because redstoners curse

remote junco
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yeah

atomic halo
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i have a friend who goes on a world and just lives in any place for like a day before migrating 9000 blocks away

remote junco
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menu paka

atomic halo
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menu paka...

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ke could be a menus.....

remote junco
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“so anyway I visited my friend—”
“and then he went 9 kilometers away?”

atomic halo
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TRUE

wispy tendonBOT
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woah.. we should do a headnoun review

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still a fan of paka because shadow creature can be a form of fluid if youi 'ulun about it

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oh YEAH we should fw paka more

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would be hard to separate rain from windy out....

atomic halo
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though maybe raindrops are less paka than water would usually be because theyre acting as 9000 separate entities

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hn though they ARE fast moving objects

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still a bit partial to the opposite direction where air/gas is removed from paka and paka can just be movement and kinetic energy and stuff

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a current can flow through air or water but its debatable whether the air and water is the current

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perhaps we can bite the bullet and make a telo nimisin

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AIR WAS NEVER IN 'ALAPA'S DEFINITION?

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okay that clears up 9000 things

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mi pakala we rushed through both 'alapa and paka too fast they just registered as kon in my head

remote junco
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where still air of the atmosphere stands I’m not quite sure

atomic halo
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'alapa might still work for still air in the sense that like. if its not doing anything then it doesnt really meaningfully exist g?

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the glass is half water and half Colloquially Vacuum, Not Like It Matters

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hot air = hot aura for most purposes

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hm. evil ass gisi Telo suggestion: ko/telo merger

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amorphous substance

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it would make it 9 million times harder to talk about moisture which is why im like nnnnn

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telo is a bit of an atomic concept its so atomic core

azure gulch
atomic halo
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this is so fucked up to think about

final frost
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wait.... ko things li lon ala.... bad language irredeemable /musi

atomic halo
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FOR REAL

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but yeah sama ni

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solid can also be some kind of kiwen though

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a rock is not even remotely ko or telo

final frost
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i can accept a solid being unexisted... but a semi solid....... 😔

atomic halo
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a powder starts acting telo-like in its amorphousness

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but yeah i am also eyeing nervously the idea of like. being unable to talk about moisture or otherwise liquid content

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owe is when you cant say ko telo and ko pi telo ala

azure gulch
remote junco
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god forbid is just nesku

atomic halo
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YEAH

azure gulch
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oh i meant solid-plasma

atomic halo
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OH

remote junco
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ohh

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yeah that would interesting

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menu ‘alapa — aliens, extraterrestrials

azure gulch
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gas-plasma
liquid-gas
solid-liquid
plasma-solid

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thats our four states of matter

marsh rover
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shall i make a logography for gisi gisi

remote junco
azure gulch
remote junco
azure gulch
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actually i think it wld be interesting if ae did a logography for gisi2

atomic halo
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hgggg getting itchy that water as an isolated concept would be another one on the "semantic spaces we cant change" list along with pona/ike but like.... but its water guys

azure gulch
atomic halo
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TRUE

azure gulch
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(/musi?)

marsh rover
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so far i've gone consistent with the style

azure gulch
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according to wikipedia ketchup is a non-newtonian fluid

atomic halo
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namunen gisi spair

azure gulch
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....

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kesu

atomic halo
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TRUEEE

azure gulch
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wait k and s are too overused

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what are we lacking in

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a Lot of nasals apparently

atomic halo
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if we have a sitelen pona adjacent script ka being a poki shape would be based actually

marsh rover
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g and m

atomic halo
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so you can delineate the word that is being ka'd and the Y part

azure gulch
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okay so theres a thing called Bingham plastic which behaves as a rigid body at low stress but flows at high stress

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examples given by wikipedia are toothpaste and mayonnaise

atomic halo
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what the fuck ??/!?1//!?

azure gulch
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meges????

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migh be too similar to magi

azure gulch
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so like, its malleable

atomic halo
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god

azure gulch
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either way its very very ko and it can also be telo so

remote junco
azure gulch
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actually megan would be so funny as a word for ko-telo

azure gulch
remote junco
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ketchup also flows at high stress

atomic halo
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thee stallion

azure gulch
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yeee i mentioned ketchup earlier

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very fun

azure gulch
remote junco
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there are two categories of nnf: ketchup, which flows/shears only at high stress, and oobleck, which flows/shears only at low stress

atomic halo
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we never get a word for any normal materials for gisi gisi we just get this

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juice is nesku. earth is nesku. ketchup is megan

azure gulch
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is your liquid megan or paka.

final frost
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never not gonna read that as just the name

azure gulch
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its perfect

atomic halo
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its so good

azure gulch
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gisi gisi has not been normal since my arrival and im so very sorry

atomic halo
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derse maid of hope

wind compass
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normal is overrated

wind compass
atomic halo
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HAHAHH

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NOO ITS A HOMESTUCK THING

wind compass
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homestuck maid dress omgomg!!

atomic halo
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no way.y...

marsh rover
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i just realized they can fit within a 16 segment display

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i made s

balmy solstice
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g

atomic halo
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TRUEEE

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'ulun 'uge si magi nn

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sludge brain from rigorous sona musi + telo talk

azure gulch
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one may say your brain is megan

wind compass
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can confirm
my brain becomes solid when under stress

atomic halo
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TRUEEE

chilly urchin
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megan

atomic halo
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one may say my brain is that

chilly urchin
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someone could.

azure gulch
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perchance

chilly urchin
azure gulch
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gisi2s next joke word(s): every category of non-newtonian fluid has its own word

chilly urchin
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Oki :3

atomic halo
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still laughing really hard about megan

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i have to physically strain myself to pronounce it correctly

azure gulch
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the three states of matter

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'alapa, paka, Megan

wind compass
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lma

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imagine
"yeah my name is megan /mæŋɑn/"

azure gulch
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Megan Fox (oobleck named Fox)

atomic halo
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TRUEEE

wispy tendonBOT
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Good lord

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I should set a reminder or whatever so we can get back on track

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Eventually

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should youuuuuuuu

wispy tendonBOT
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I shouuuuld my dear wizarddddd

remote junco
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should you

azure gulch
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(shood yu)

wispy tendonBOT
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Everyone pesters the poor bird.... yes yes and yes =<0

azure gulch
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the poor 'askalis 😔

wispy tendonBOT
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Oh yeah. I am an 'askalis

marsh rover
remote junco
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contrasts with the lexicon’s naturalistic theming tbh

wispy tendonBOT
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the people crave curvature

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where were those pics nunaku made we gotta dig them up again ....

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They looove our curved linjas

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the namunen paka tbh

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Hm.... perhaps we can doodle some right now :>

chrome mantle
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mmmmm kili a

wispy tendonBOT
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menu Masika(?)

chilly urchin
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up 2 change-al

wind compass
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ooh

azure gulch
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maybe i should experiment with namunen gisi

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i mite js end up making sitelen pona (gisi gisi edition) tho idk

chilly urchin
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tbh i think that's what we're all doing a a

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I would like to abugisi

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but I'll get 2 it when I get 2 it

atomic halo
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pukis propaganda

chilly urchin
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TRUEEEEEEEEE

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tbh u can just draw urself

atomic halo
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on an extra note if we're going with sand drawing i think it likes it when lines come out from other lines

chilly urchin
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I think we're going with what ever 💞

atomic halo
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true....

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peace and love

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pretty funny that we have kales extra meaning dry/arid

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i could craft a description for rain out of that but it will be jank

chilly urchin
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gamu 'askalis si sili ka las'e kales

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||beef gerky||

atomic halo
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FOR REALL

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euky

chilly urchin
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euky...

atomic halo
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"paka magi kanesu 'i kales si kipa" g?

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me when clouds remove all my pottery

chilly urchin
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D:

atomic halo
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:derg:

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a lake.. uh

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river silen ka sesli paka sagke???!?

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paka sagke lexicalized as water forever??!!

wispy tendonBOT
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maybe we shouldnt be jumping into the liquid trenches right away,

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MEAN TO ME !!

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🥺

chilly urchin
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i thought paka could be water

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fuoooock

wispy tendonBOT
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were testing with it mostly because gas+liquid is like really broad

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and there are a lot of cases where they dont blend it might be a distinguishing feature even that they dont blend

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but on the other hand.... there are so many cases where they are similar.... ggraah

chilly urchin
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hhrrmmmm

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mhm mhmhmhm.....

wispy tendonBOT
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water being separate from air can be analogous to water being separate from oil

azure gulch
wispy tendonBOT
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though that is a much less common thing, whereas a lake is very meaningfully distinct from the air above it

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aKisi japanese jumpscare ??!!

azure gulch
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too many keebs i keep forgetting to switc them despair

chilly urchin
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jhbgvghgv

wispy tendonBOT
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a ko could be a malleable solid... nnnnnnn

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ijo mute li lon lawa

lucid bay
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the smiler

atomic halo
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the nefarious mager

chilly urchin
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Hash:

atomic halo
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TRUEE

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ih god

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paka lus for water in a lake because it refracts light

chilly urchin
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paka lus for dicking around with the laser machine

atomic halo
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TRUE

atomic halo
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ka 'ispi kemu pes 'uge 'i paka si gamu ka sesli sesli 'uge

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you and i should get corroded by a stream in my house

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kusi 'i pagkan si sagke ka kusi paka sagke

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'uge 'i paka ka 'upune kales si gamu

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pukis ka sesli .. not very paka?

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the issue with not knowing where still air stands also applies to not knowing where still water stands

chilly urchin
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Jill jair

atomic halo
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pukis ka sesli paka keles...? because its underneath the air....?

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pukis ka kipa paka keles si kepus

chilly urchin
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Hrhbhhg

atomic halo
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paka kanesu 'i 'a'e si sagke kipa

chilly urchin
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Too many /k/

atomic halo
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hehehe

chilly urchin
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Fucked

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Brain no interpretation

atomic halo
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||fish in the water (root-fluid because water likes to go underneath)||

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||fish without water die. sky-fluid does not empower it||

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hm...

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menu si sagke ka las'e 'alapa. paka 'i silen 'alapa si magi ka ka menu si kepus

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||person is empowered from the atmosphere. when fluid halts the passage of atmosphere, the person dies||

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tldr im trying to do a context about paka

atomic halo
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fire is a paka. i need to sit down

azure gulch
azure gulch
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fire is actually more 'alapa

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if we follow my stupid image thing lmao

atomic halo
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lon...

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it's so fucked up that 'alapa is ice and glass

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like just on its own

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no kiwen 'alapa

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i would say water is 'alapa too because its also transparent but it's like, nnnn

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maybe it's tokiponist brain speaking

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and also uniting "intangible" as in ghost and "very tangible but hard to see" as in glass

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maybe ghost isn't intangible in this framework

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"unseen yet present", n...

azure gulch
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last chain is 勝手 addition

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(i dont know how to translate 勝手. selfish? unauthorised? idk)

atomic halo
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save me messages when 'alapa was first coined ...

azure gulch
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“gisi ‘alapa” can mean like connotation, definition, metaphor, disembodied voice, etc.

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oh god

atomic halo
azure gulch
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is this kon

atomic halo
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its base material is ICE, a SOLID

azure gulch
atomic halo
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it's so hard

azure gulch
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it was a selfish(?) addition

azure gulch
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does that mean we may or may not have terms for all the betweens of these

atomic halo
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i think 'alapa doesn't make a state of matter distinction

azure gulch
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image taken from google #im not smart enough to make my own graphcis#

atomic halo
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just anything that's intangible will do

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maybe to focus on specifically visual you can do nesku ka lus 'alapa? nesku si 'alapa ka 'ispi lus?

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i would maybe want 'alapa to exclude gases on account of we have paka

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maybe that's what the present in unseen yet present means

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but then again 'alapa has been used to describe a Vibe before and i dont really wanna shave that off

azure gulch
atomic halo
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tbhh

azure gulch
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honestly that ice > transparency line is feeling very lonely rn

atomic halo
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paka Liquids si 'alapa kipa ka 'ulun [luka]. paka Water si paka Liquid si 'alapa ka 'ispi lus

azure gulch
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(i took "meaning" from an early proposal of "gisi 'alapa")

atomic halo
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i would say it's more transparency > ice,glass i think

azure gulch
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the base word means ice

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source***

atomic halo
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that's true... though the base can be different imo because ice > transparency > glass is funny

azure gulch
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nn

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orange ish colour idk which line it shld cioinnefct to

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green uncertain conections

atomic halo
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we have so much fun in sesli gisi

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glass, ice should just go in the same cell i think

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transparent material to be more concise maybe

azure gulch
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alri8

atomic halo
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or hm what if like. hold on

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nvm brain is megan

azure gulch
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im so sorry i read that like family guy brian is megan im abotu to fucking Cry

atomic halo
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HAHA

azure gulch
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megan is such a shitty word im so

atomic halo
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we need a luka word so bad

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pispis 'ulun = physically tangible, comprehensible, verifiable

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lots of things in one phrase here

azure gulch
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that why i suggested like

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a limb word

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maybe

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but

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mmmmmrmrrrr

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icdk

atomic halo
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[luka] > hand, leg, limb, branch > ?

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i guess luka also does just mean hand so its not really a word that requires a secondary meaning

azure gulch
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i wonder what the cjkv langs have to say for hand

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i know japanese uses the word for hand to indicate jobs (sometimes)

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cuz like. ur labouring w hands kinda yknow

atomic halo
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lots of cultures derive actions from hands

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though a lot of them would be weird to add if we're doing the luka/noka merger

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maybe it can be luka+some symbolism, and then legs can be luka keles, g?

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and yeah good lord we need to get kales/keles sorted

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kolisin said she also liked keles with the k on account of i think hawaiian doing the same t>k transformation

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does the kales etym have any wiggle room in its vowels maybe

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oh dear

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it has wiggle room in the OPPOSITE direction were so fucked

azure gulch
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thats why i am very open to changing keles

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kales is fine it can keep its funny thing

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keles i just feel theres a bit of wiggle room

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ultimately its cognate with "taro"; im sure we can find plenty of cognates from there

atomic halo
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hawaiian is kalo and indonesian is talas (central a) so kalu seems like a pretty good option

azure gulch
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unrelated but god this is so intimidating to me. why do i ahve so many tabs open. and why do i not want to close any of them.

atomic halo
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6 MILLION WIKTIONARY TAB ATTACK??

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PHOENIX WRIGHT IN VIETNAMESE???

azure gulch
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my browser says its 35 including other non-wikt webs

azure gulch
atomic halo
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and you never closed the tab afterwards ?!! despair

azure gulch
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u can see my mini hyper fixations in order

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ignoring the uh

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wiktionary pages

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it goes

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ace attorney - constrained writing - the japanese monarchy and its related laws - idioms

atomic halo
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fucked in the head. diabolical even

azure gulch
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it continues in my other browser lmao

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spices - traditional CJKV musical notation - poker

atomic halo
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sili salin.. ka 'ispi 'askalis Kisi 'i kusi si kepus m......

azure gulch
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but i dont wanna :(

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they keep me happy :)

atomic halo
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youre having tea party with corpses

azure gulch
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a daily occurence tbh

atomic halo
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tbhhh

wispy tendonBOT
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i would ping kolisin because it's her word but i wonder if thats nagging-ey

azure gulch
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nn 'ulun

wispy tendonBOT
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i will just change it on the sheet i think ... if anyone asks its perfectly reversible anyway

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how do you spell hawaiian again. hawai'ian?

azure gulch
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playground? maybe?

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hawaiian is fine

wispy tendonBOT
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[luka] - hand, arm, work, craft, skill, g?

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pali + partial ken merger

azure gulch
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got so distracted by keles i forgot to read about CJKV hand

wispy tendonBOT
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a a a

azure gulch
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luka + pali + ken merger possible maybe

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maybe a ka construction?

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ka [luka] -> ken pv

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??????

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fuckin keybaord istg

atomic halo
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the board game definition flashbanged me i was like no way i love ke

azure gulch
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'uge 'i ke si [luka] - i play a game of chess

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anu seme

atomic halo
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lon....lon ...

atomic halo
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rubs temples

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oh god what WOULD a pali preposition mean

azure gulch
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luka + pali + partial ken + partial musi + partial mute (ggggggg???????)

atomic halo
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this is so many things a a a

azure gulch
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luka overload

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one might say luka luka night fever

balmy solstice
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everything is luka

atomic halo
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TRUEE

azure gulch
atomic halo
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would be a little funny if we didn't have pali-make and used las'e for it instead

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pali is a cool word though so nn

azure gulch
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pispis verb usage ???!

atomic halo
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me when i manifest my reality

azure gulch
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i materialise the item la i make the item????

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'uge 'i nesku si pispis

atomic halo
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lon.. two possible ways to say make it is

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if pali is fully assimilated into luka it would make a third

azure gulch
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kemu 'i nesku si las'e ka ka pes 'uge 'i nesku si pispis
||you originate the item la i materialise the item||
||if you invent/innovate/create the item, i will make/create/form the item||

atomic halo
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alternative luka-verbs could be work on, operate (bumps into kusi so maybe not), interact with, alter(???)

azure gulch
atomic halo
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kusi has both ilo and kepeken in it

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though i was thinking luka as work on could be like

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it's another flavor of ante in there too

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sili can handle a lot of like internal change i think, so [luka] can be changing from an Action done on it (??)

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with pali connotations about it

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the fucked up thing is that ante transitive will take away a little bit from like Every Other Transitive Verb

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work on would take away from improve, develop, etc

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so it's like hnnnggg

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it does seem like one of the more reasonable interpretations though im not sure what else could go there

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completely unrelated 'ulun as brain/head like how pilin is heart

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itll take care of the literal side of lawa

azure gulch
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mi return had to help w family stf

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wll read in a mokent

atomic halo
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i would like to drop a formal apology for the fact that every other time im in here i drop a net zero information ramble that lasts 7 pagesbtw💔

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if it ever feels like im like talking over people you can 100% tell me about it

azure gulch
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augh im so sorry i want to read ur msgs but unironically ive been nodding my head so much listening to my parents' rambling i think i gor vertigo

atomic halo
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'ulun kemu si leme salin ka las'e paka

azure gulch
atomic halo
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a a it's fine dw

azure gulch
azure gulch
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myb

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idk

atomic halo
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lon.. maybe having it be just the luka verb from tp is fine

azure gulch
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'uge 'i pukis si [luka]

atomic halo
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LUUUU

azure gulch
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spiritual talk in toki ale making me uncomfortable so im gonna think about luka again

atomic halo
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how it be

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how i look with talent and ability in my bio

azure gulch
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what do we think of handle (noun_)

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is a paw more noka or more luka

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or does it depend

atomic halo
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'uge 'i kemu si [luka] - i touch you, i employ my knitting abilities on you, i teach you how to make clay pots

atomic halo
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noka si luka kalu

azure gulch
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my limb idea is coming to fruition

atomic halo
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limb jumpscare

azure gulch
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'never back down never give up" - albert einstein 2013

atomic halo
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i think if arm gets extended to limb though then the secondary meanings of the word also have to shrink a bit

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gisi gisi where there's one word for penis and job

atomic halo
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a noka can also be a silen kalu within proper context

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silen kalu is what i call roots

azure gulch
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gisi gisi where thrs a word for arm but no leg

atomic halo
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YEAH

azure gulch
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honestly what are legs but roots of the Human

atomic halo
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kalu by itself could be noka though fr fr

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EXAAACTLY

azure gulch
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i think for most beings

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hands are a more important distinction than legs

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la we o not have leg o have arm taso

atomic halo
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lonnn

azure gulch
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holy shit what if we extend hand to have meanings of lipu

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maybe not

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bcz i was thinking of

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leaves

atomic halo
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assimilating body parts into other words is my favorite hobby we should've done this way sooner

azure gulch
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as the luka of kasi

atomic halo
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what is a branch if not an arm with a disturbing amount of hands and fingers of the tree

azure gulch
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EXACTLY

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EXAAACTLy

atomic halo
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for real.. for real

azure gulch
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this is so good i am so spair rn

atomic halo
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now we need the etym despair

azure gulch
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me when i go wiktionary scraping

atomic halo
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we should go get another from forest nenets the language has a cool and also valid troll name

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btw tagalog is now the only language with 3 words with the addition of 'ulun (i thought it was functional enough and we didn't really have any gripes with it so

azure gulch
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they have like barely any words on wikt despair

atomic halo
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FUCKK

azure gulch
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they have the words for ice

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bear

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forest

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and numbers

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thats iot

atomic halo
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4 genders

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also wha tthe hell are there wikt entries for the languages themselves

azure gulch
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hold up

atomic halo
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ohhh i see

azure gulch
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well. its more than forest anyways

atomic halo
#

nenets regional variants no way

azure gulch
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293 words against 10 what the fuick is this imbalacne

atomic halo
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a a a

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malay has a "tangan" for hand, the ng pronounced like our /g/

azure gulch
#

yes we do

atomic halo
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no way... 🥺

azure gulch
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(orthography uses <> btw)

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(it should be <g>)

atomic halo
#

fuckkkk

azure gulch
#

no way

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the tundra nenets word for dog is "wuh"

atomic halo
#

but what if the broad transcription is written just like the orthography 🥺

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WUH

azure gulch
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like literally its pronounced "wuh"

atomic halo
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:gisigkai: 'u

atomic halo
#

its so funny that translating to any of the like (idk the proper term) white people languages 90% of the time just gives an english word in a funhouse mirror

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cognate allegations

azure gulch
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i have yet to fidn the tundra nenets word for hand

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but i have found the word for oar blade leaf

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and i also found bread

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which is "nyan"

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okay fuck me its nyan in a lot of languages

atomic halo
#

YOOOOO

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nyan :]

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translating to korean is also giving viet words in a funhouse mirror its so hard for me

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mfw 手工

azure gulch
#

sugong

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sugong Dees

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

#

raises eyebrow

remote junco
#

melu‘e

atomic halo
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ooh.. the kh is a [x]

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fancy

azure gulch
marsh rover
azure gulch
atomic halo
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its slay i think.. talent i would wanna fuck around with the word some to see if it causes problems

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'ulun melu(k/')e - sense of touch, knowledge of crafts, field of work

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'ispi might be a better head for "field of work" but imagine a world

azure gulch
#

are we agreeing on meluke/melu'e?

atomic halo
#

its your word oomf

azure gulch
#

lol

atomic halo
#

you hold the big judge hammer over us all

azure gulch
#

i was thinking maybe ligin from javanese lengen

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hmm

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melu'e is nice too i think

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idk

atomic halo
#

ligin... g-onset representation

azure gulch
#

we might need more n-onset words tbh tbh

atomic halo
#

lon..

azure gulch
#

melu'e sounds nice tho

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idk

atomic halo
#

still no tree word btw despair

azure gulch
# azure gulch

i feel like im stfufing too much into [luka] but numbers la 5 ??????

atomic halo
#

ken.... number meanings are kind of a separate system anyway

azure gulch
#

shall the tree word be n-onset

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hm

atomic halo
#

reviewing all the plant words we DO have real quick

#
  • sigka'i - moss, mold, bacteria
  • pagkan - grass, weed, debatably bushes but thats pushing it
  • uh yeah thats it i think LOL
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adding the tree word would finish off the small to big flora scale

azure gulch
#

im gonna do a funny and start looking in proto languages

atomic halo
#

trueee

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its still a faraway dream of mine to have a trashtalk cameo stuffed in an etym i need to remember

azure gulch
#

nepa'u - the tree word (Iñupiaq napaaqtuq)

atomic halo
#

THE TREE WORD !!! spair

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its definition is just tree thats it

azure gulch
#

LMAO

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im sure we can explore its semantic space later

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(famous last words)

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

azure gulch
#

is megan in the playground yet

atomic halo
#

nope

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me and my wife when we forget to take our daughter to school btw

azure gulch
#

TBHHHHH IW SA ABT TO SAY THAT

atomic halo
#

HAHAH

azure gulch
#

mandatory i think we just have to keep referring to megan as if its a proper noun

atomic halo
#

its so good

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trying to translate "small town" and its fucking me up btw

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town i got as sesli menu but the small bit is like ggggg

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ka ganse las'e? its measuring-ly related to an egg? because it hasnt developed?

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'alapa to emphasize that its insignificant and perhaps even secluded?

azure gulch
#

hi yes i would the sesli menu please, yes the ka ganse las'e one thank you

atomic halo
#

TRUEEE

azure gulch
#

las'e for small both size-wise and development-wise

atomic halo
#

tbhh

final frost
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ah yes my little egglike town

atomic halo
#

YEAH

azure gulch
#

its true

atomic halo
#

still not very sure how to interpret ka ganse sometimes but that is the beauty of ka in the first place so whatever

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good lord i forgot kolisin intended to make a gisi sona 900 years ago and i snatched it from her like a seagull

azure gulch
#

gisi jo
do we have that

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can i snatch it

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actually i think i snatched a bit too many words agt this potntit

atomic halo
#

'askalis Kisi snatches the entire fry bag box thing whatever in one fell swoop

azure gulch
#

aKisi joins gisi2 project, coins 2 million words in one swell foop, cartwheels back into Hell

remote junco
atomic halo
#

gisized is such a silly little word

remote junco
atomic halo
#

whens the gisi jo dropping oomf

azure gulch
#

expansion into the luka word anu se(I get shot to deth

atomic halo
#

gisi luka 'i gisi 'alapa si gamu gamu despair

azure gulch
#

KA 'ISPI [ALE] 'I GISI LUKA SI SILIIIII

atomic halo
remote junco
azure gulch
#

do we have a word for ale?

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i tgink ive asked this before

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i think the answer is No

wind compass
#

doesn't seem like it

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ooh we could make "m" come from english "mmm" haha take that a priori

atomic halo
#

English win

azure gulch
#

so real

#

but if we let english take m then we wont have megan be the only english sourced word

remote junco
#

m is sort of inspired from like mhm

atomic halo
#

megan gets an english etymology that has nothing to do with its meaning

remote junco
#

some people do say /m_R_F/ as some kind of affirmation as well

#

x/m_R_F/

strong tartanBOT
remote junco
#

more or less yeah

atomic halo
azure gulch
remote junco
#

now i need to play with tones in sonorants fuck

atomic halo
remote junco
#

splendid conlanging idea

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sonorant nuclei + tonality

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i think that’s a thing in Yi and such actually

azure gulch
#

cantonese's negation particle is a sonorant + tone i think

#

m dak

remote junco
#

I’ve been thinking about gisi gisi nasal particles having tones
x/m_H/
x/n_L/
x/N_R/

azure gulch
#

gisi gisi tones applicable only for the funny sounds

atomic halo
#

we should actually nest an emotive microlanguage in the emotive particles

remote junco
#

god

wind compass
azure gulch
#

she might be a while

wind compass
#

rippy:((

chilly urchin
chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

TRUEEE

remote junco
remote junco
chrome mantle
#

gisi gusi.

remote junco
#

the gussy

atomic halo
remote junco
#

hard like the secret fourth thing?

atomic halo
#

LIKE THE SECRET FOURTH THINGGG

#

im mostly just being like ❔ on the ambiguity between like intangible vs fully tangible but invisible

#

so far we still just have paka as our only material word because it excludes solids

remote junco
#

it’s sort of like the ambiguity of menu with human sapience and human form

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‘alapa is sort of like “cannot be sensed” in a way

chilly urchin
#

Hrmmm

remote junco
#

but it’s implied that it can be sensed in another way

#

object permanence I think

atomic halo
#

lon....

remote junco
#

what is megan again

atomic halo
#

a a

#

megan i think is just non newtonian fluid and that's like it

remote junco
#

ohh

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the ko-core

remote junco
atomic halo
#

woah.. object dropping

remote junco
#

object dropping can be useful for disambiguating copular usage from transitive usage if need be

chilly urchin
#

explain

remote junco
#

sort of like “I’m eating” vs. “I am food”

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you Could say what you’re eating but for some reason you aren’t, or perhaps you’ll explain it

chilly urchin
#

how is this object dropping doe +

remote junco
#

basically a transitive but there’s no explicit object

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object dropping just makes it implied

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sort of like ona but shorter

atomic halo
#

we should make a new compilation of gisi gisi grammatical features itd be swag

remote junco
#

it’s definitely up to the taste of a person

#

true!

lucid bay
#

nn :

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i don't know if i'm interpreting right yuo mean liek "mi moku" vs "mi moku e moku" righ

remote junco
#

more accurately like “mi moku e” minus the ungrammatical air it has in toki pona

lucid bay
#

ohhh yuea i was thinking dat>:]

remote junco
#

but basically the redundancy of “mi moku e moku” yeah

lucid bay
#

mi moku e ..... le fascinating

remote junco
#

it’s not strictly necessary, i should add

#

it’s just a good way to drop object valency for transitive verbs i.e. make them syntactically intransitive while still being semantically/contextually transitive

#

like a semantic zero!

#

it’s also more useful in say, verbs that share the same object

chilly urchin
#

hrmmm

#

I undertsnd this except semantic 0 wats dat

remote junco
#

semantic zeros are a really interesting concept

#

it’s basically where the lack of an expected… thing (whether it be a word, an affix, a clitic, etc.) means something in and of itself

#

where nothing means something

atomic halo
#

just like "nesku si"

chilly urchin
#

ah nods

remote junco
#

nativlang explains it well in this More Useful followup of a previous video of his about the same topic where he made it full of prose

#

you could watch that video first but you might not learn much per se

atomic halo
#

btw real quick our lexicon is shaping up to be a little cute for being called the communicative language and having the gisi/leme/'ulun cluster and making connections between things with ka/ganse/'upune

remote junco
#

what that makes you is a fraud /j

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

atomic halo
#

gisi/leme/'ulun gives a lot of semantic detail on the general area of giving and receiving ideas

remote junco
#

ah true

atomic halo
#

ka makes some really abstract and interpretive connections between things possible, ganse/'upune is like flavorful i think

remote junco
#

ganse is like size yeah?

atomic halo
#

ya

#

still messing with it

chilly urchin
#

nods

atomic halo
#

that said [continues shitting and crying about fluids]

#

we have melu'e though omgg hows that

chilly urchin
#

?

#

what's that

atomic halo
#

luka/pali merger its in the playground

chilly urchin
#

ah

atomic halo
#

also 'ulun means head as well on the topic of body parts

chilly urchin
#

oh pog

#

do we feel like luka pali is a little weird

#

chat

atomic halo
#

haven't messed with it much but so far so good question mark

chilly urchin
#

I mean more on a like

#

Limb / ability thing like I feel like pali can come from Anywhere

atomic halo
#

it's from a chinese metaphor that also appears in english

remote junco
#

oh no it’s jo all over again

atomic halo
#

hands are very dextrous and very often the body part that does stuff so you get words like handicraft and try one's hand

#

pali as MAKE is still tentative because like. we have las'e and pispis for that already

remote junco
#

whoa… lon e real

atomic halo
#

but pali as WORK/CRAFT is in there

#

tbh...

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

No I mean more as in like it feels a little able bodied charged

atomic halo
#

HAHA

remote junco
#

you have a car

remote junco
atomic halo
#

tengo un carro

atomic halo
#

but n i don't think ability is the right word because not being allergic to things is an ability

#

it's closer to talent/skill

remote junco
#

being allergic to things is a skill, got it

atomic halo
azure gulch
#

writing seafood allergy (severe) on list of skills

atomic halo
#

a lot of skills do happen completely unrelated to the arm (singing and stuff) but they're still colloquially that sometimes

chilly urchin
azure gulch
#

eg idiomatically "to have the upper hand"

chilly urchin
#

/burn /pwnd

azure gulch
#

not necessarily its hand more so through the work you put in you hone that Actually i don't know what i'm saying so i'm going to stop here

chilly urchin
#

fnjhjbfg

atomic halo
#

what do you hashtag Think nunaku

azure gulch
#

my. Ideas when i was less hongry (i am so ungry rn)

chilly urchin
#

Colloquialisms ?

#

It's like

#

hmmmm

#

Hold on pacing back and forth putting my ideas in order likethat one clip of dr strange

atomic halo
#

she died ....

chilly urchin
#

PLAYING SONIC MARIO KART WITH MY WIFE !!!

atomic halo
#

omgg can i listen in

azure gulch
#

good morning gisi2

chilly urchin
azure gulch
#

wiktionary lied to me napaaqtuq is in fact not the word for tree in iñupiaq

#

it is a type of tree but it is not The word for tree

atomic halo
#

PISPIS KIPA??!

#

is it a cool type of tree

azure gulch
#

i forgot what type of tree it is i closed the dictionary too early

#

whoops

#

i apologise once again for my misinformation napaaqtuq does in fact mean (in general) tree but also (specifically) spruce tree

atomic halo
#

^ si gisi ka 'upune pispis

chilly urchin
#

Okay, so what I was thinking is:

  • In regards to the concept of pali itself, I think that work can come from anywhere. Like, there are some things that parts of the body tend to do much better than none, but I feel like the idea of tying an entire concept to a part of the body feels a bit.... restrictive? Like things that have double meaning for other words are a little bit more lenient with what the second meaning is or are like. Intrinsically tied in a way?? Like pispis means existing but also important because it distinguishes itself from just "si" null predicate. I feel like this could be too..... prescriptivist or whatever. Like I feel like there could be more to explore with pali specifically that could be limited by assigning it to one (taso) body part

  • In regards to bodily ability, I feel like. On one hand (hm), I absolutely agree. The hands are by default the most dexterous parts of our bodies and that does make sense. On the other hand (hm), however, maybe we could try to like, think of how we can adapt different words to different like.... bodies and contexts, anthropomorphic or not. Like, what if the word for paka meant the locomotive organ of the creature you refer to. Or the word for pali could still mean hand, if the creature was pali-ing with it. Like I think I would like to explore how gisi gisi can be applied to nonhumans more, considering how we have been trying to keep it tied to natural processes

atomic halo
#

true....

#

ligin becomes the limb word it is

chilly urchin
#

Yeah, I like the idea of like

#

body + limb

#

'ulun for head is fine too cuz like the head is pretty important

#

body limb head si the new rock paper scissors

atomic halo
#

YRUEE

azure gulch
#

thats actually my thought tbh like

#

just three words to describe the body; head torso limb

atomic halo
#

'ulun head was cute to me i think because it's like. taking the head metaphor back to thinking but it's also different and more like the brain is the poki of your entire subjective experience in general

#

the heart can be an 'ulun leme or something

atomic halo
azure gulch
azure gulch
atomic halo
#

WE DO

#

the trichotomy siblings

azure gulch
#

we unlocked megan maybe its time we unlocked david or sumn /j

chilly urchin
#

we're like from trinity jesus god holy spirit

atomic halo
#

hoolyshitu

chilly urchin
#

Fun fact Trinity was our old system name btw. Yenno. When we were only 3

remote junco
#

it’s about time ‘uge ‘uge ‘i ‘a‘e si ‘upune ‘alapa

#

‘alapa kipa could also work

atomic halo
remote junco
#

JFJSIJJC

azure gulch
#

SUSAN

#

YES

remote junco
#

trinity is a cool name

chilly urchin
wicked hedge
chilly urchin
#

Seven

#

Pentagram is also a misnomer

wicked hedge
#

a a

atomic halo
#

you gotta be the deadly sins now

chilly urchin
#

THAT'S SO FUCKING GOOD HOW DID WE MISS THAT

#

I am so fucking mad

#

We were too distracted

atomic halo
#

you forgot to lock the fuck in

chilly urchin
azure gulch
wicked hedge
#

ryuukyuuan

azure gulch
#

mhm

#

for the longest time ive had a tarama dictionary downloaded for no reason whatsoever

atomic halo
#

read that as trauma dictionary and i was like ???!???!??

azure gulch
#

me tryna find out what the fuck is wrong w me

atomic halo
#

YEAH

chilly urchin
#

What's your trauma level? Take this rorschach test

#

For their fucking shitass planner app

#

That somehow solves ur trauma

azure gulch
#

scan ur face to get like 9 million information abt ur mental health

atomic halo
#

YEAH

#

one time i saw an ad that was like "feeling unproductive? you're not lazy, you just have Childhood Trauma!"

#

and it's like hm okay

#

i ❤️ marketable-ification of trauma i ❤️ taylor swifts new album

wicked hedge
chilly urchin
#

Childhood trauma is when dont wantto get off bed

atomic halo
#

YEAH

azure gulch
#

god smiles upon you and says "you shall have childhood trauma and may it be revealed via HealthScan™️ 2024 Working on the App Store"

wind compass
#

make it into a marketable plushie

chilly urchin
#

tbh they should just let u blame everything on childhood trauma

atomic halo
#

because of woke <-- 👎
because of childhood trauma <-- 👍

chilly urchin
#

EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYY

wind compass
#

lmfyes

atomic halo
#

what is tarama btw

#

that is a sau ce.

wicked hedge
#

ryuukyuuan language

#

from the ryuukyuu islands of southern japan

azure gulch
#

endangered ryukyuan language spoken natively only by Old people

wicked hedge
#

the ryuukyuuan languages are japanese's only living relatives

wicked hedge
atomic halo
#

thats so cool

wicked hedge
#

japanese is taking over in the region

azure gulch
#

glad there is at least some effort being put into revitalising it

#

keyword some

atomic halo
#

(undated figure of mostly over age 60?[citation needed])

wicked hedge
#

yea

atomic halo
#

gisi gisi tarama etym influx

chilly urchin
#

lets go....

wind compass
#

overtake spanish

#

we're gonna need a tarama destruction ray next

azure gulch
#

gisi gisi conducted tarama revitalisation project

wind compass
#

omg true

remote junco
#

ryūkyūan languages are neat

wind compass
#

we should revive all the endangered languages

wicked hedge
#

lon

#

to both the toki pini

wind compass
#

also gisi gisi made me read "tales" to rhyme with "kales"

atomic halo
#

the wikipedia page update to say "spoken by some queers online"

remote junco
#

take a gander at the [[Miyakoan language]]

opal basinBOT
remote junco
#

wrong wiki

chilly urchin
#

ermmmmm awkwaaardd

remote junco
#

the [[w:Miyakoan language]]

opal basinBOT
#

The Miyakoan language (宮古口/ミャークフツ Myākufutsu/Myākufutsї [mjaːkufutss̩] or 島口/スマフツ Sumafutsu/Sїmafutsї, Japanese: 宮古語, romanized: Miyako-go) is a diverse dialect cluster spoken in the Miyako Islands, located southwest of Okinawa. The combined population of the islands is about 52,000 (as of 2011). Miyakoan is a Southern Ryukyuan language, most cl...

remote junco
wind compass
wicked hedge
azure gulch
#

hello is this miyako yes i would like a gender please

wicked hedge
#

a a

wind compass
#

free sample of gender

chilly urchin
#

We are all out of gender on account of woke

wind compass
#

omg those darnded librels

wicked hedge
#

anyone want my gender

#

i don't need it

atomic halo
#

im kind of full already . so uhm ....

azure gulch
#

any thoughts on the fox language
i have close to zero clue on how algonquian languages work but the name fox is very cute so (

wind compass
#

i already did this!

#

or is this an actual language

azure gulch
#

it is an actual language

chilly urchin
wind compass
#

(like natural language i should say)

wind compass
azure gulch
#

[[w:Fox language]]

opal basinBOT
#

Fox (known by a variety of different names, including Mesquakie (Meskwaki), Mesquakie-Sauk, Mesquakie-Sauk-Kickapoo, Sauk-Fox, and Sac and Fox) is an Algonquian language, spoken by a thousand Meskwaki, Sauk, and Kickapoo in various locations in the Midwestern United States and in northern Mexico.

wicked hedge
wind compass
#

furries rejoice we all have a language to learn

azure gulch
#

severely endangered

#

we will repopulate

wind compass
#

xdyes

chilly urchin
#

U get 2 be agender+

wicked hedge
#

true!

wind compass
#

paid for premium subscription

atomic halo
#

bigender agender

wind compass
#

2/0 type gender

atomic halo
#

i guess more like bi-genderstate

wicked hedge
#

also noneko you are now stuck with 'cis male except nonbinary'

wind compass
atomic halo
#

nunaku is dead on the ground and im holding it sobbing

remote junco
wind compass
#

indeede

remote junco
azure gulch
#

very qute

atomic halo
#

cis male except nonbinary is a good gender tbh i too practice it

wind compass
wind compass
atomic halo
#

im like some guy and have always been some guy but when you hold the word male up to me i melt away like megan

#

TRUEE

wicked hedge
#

i'm only a man bc it's easy

#

i am amab

atomic halo
#

🤝 my man

wind compass
wicked hedge
#

in reality i do not give a flying french fry about gender

#

i don't even care enough to use the label agender

wind compass
#

basedgender

azure gulch
#

my gender is --- PLEASE SELECT ONE ---

atomic halo
#

amab nonbinary gathering in the sesli gisi tonight

wicked hedge
chilly urchin
atomic halo
wicked hedge
chilly urchin
#

I just give off super girl vibes don't I

atomic halo
#

amab nonbinary gathering si sigka'i

wind compass
chilly urchin
#

Sure

#

Hits you with my beam

wind compass
#

omg yayay

wicked hedge
chilly urchin
#

they hate my girl vibes /musi

#

Anyway yeah im just aggressively nb and awesome

#

As soon as I'm out of this tomo ike I become a Woke Mess

wind compass
#

the current state of my gender is trying to collect girl vibes but bad at it

wicked hedge
#

yea you do give the vibes of like

#

that cool nb person

#

(noneko o)

atomic halo
#

its funny because i like. saying im only male as a performance would be inaccurate because definitely have some male habitus in me but on the other hand i just think that's a Masc Thing not a Man Thing

chilly urchin
wicked hedge
#

i think i only have male habits because most everyone thinks i'm male

#

so i've been like forced into male habits almost

#

what gender vibes do i give tawa sina ale

chilly urchin
#

I don't know what a male habit is so I can't really have them. everything I touch becomes gay

atomic halo
#

i have- hey get out here

wispy tendonBOT
#

god.

chilly urchin
#

Hiiiii ^w^

chilly urchin
#

u giveee

wispy tendonBOT
#

only he/him in here disorder

chilly urchin
#

Like

wispy tendonBOT
#

you've been giving some guy i think. i would see you outside with a baseball cap

seme Osuka ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) what gender vibes do i give tawa sina ale

wicked hedge
#

i only become Baseball Cap Guy at the musi sike noka

wind compass
chilly urchin
# wicked hedge what gender vibes do i give tawa sina ale

Slightly masc I think but like leftover mask right. Like u give off more agender vibes than anything?? It's like if I burn a piece of paper and the hole is left. The hole is ur agender and the leftover paper is the masc that still sort of exists but isn't as egregious as the hole

wicked hedge
#

i see

wispy tendonBOT
#

it hurts being me. extremely funny that i popped into existence and siphoned all the masc complexes from everyone else

#

im so clean and pristine now hashtag slay

wicked hedge
#

wait if you want to say

#

who am i talking to when no proxy

chilly urchin
#

Scorch u should like spit the masc into a spitoon and it makes a loud sizzling noise, and then everyone leans in to look at it but it's already burnt through 3 floors on the apartment complex

wicked hedge
#

anyone in specific or no

atomic halo
wicked hedge
#

ni

wind compass
atomic halo
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im just everyone i think amount of one-ness varies but not in a way that matters

wicked hedge
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sona

atomic halo
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#medianmoments

chilly urchin
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Can I post the garnet thing I drew for u

atomic halo
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yuh

atomic halo
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our gisi 'alapa

wicked hedge
atomic halo
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groarg i should play with 'alapa some more when i get the time

chilly urchin
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you shouuuulddddd

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🫦 'alapamoments

wispy tendonBOT
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'uge 'i leme [mije] kemu si gamu

s(n)oweli sakaja ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) you can have all mine if you want them I don't want them and never used them that much to begin with…

wind compass
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let'sgoo
how it taste

wispy tendonBOT
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like chewing a tea bag

wind compass
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intriguing

chilly urchin
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🥺 what flavor

wind compass
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would said tea bag float into the air when lit on fire

wispy tendonBOT
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earl grey. and yeah it probably would too bad i ate it

chilly urchin
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Hibiscus for the win.... but whatevs it was masculinity it makes sense it would be named earl

wispy tendonBOT
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my new tea strand called adam cock

remote junco
atomic halo
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slayyy

chilly urchin
remote junco
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smiling

chilly urchin
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I often forget trans ppl are like, trans, yenno. They tell me what gender they are and it's like sure okay (paradigm shifts) what else

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(me included)

remote junco
atomic halo
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EVE TITSSSS

chilly urchin
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leviathan nothings

atomic halo
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FOR REALL

remote junco
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leviathan voids

atomic halo
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i would meet a trans person named leviathan voids tbh

remote junco
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JXBSJJJCJD true

wind compass
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lma

wind compass
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[turns into jell-o]

atomic halo
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kemu si megan

remote junco
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she’s so jelly rn

remote junco
chilly urchin