good nimisin

[golden wagon]

And like in that context it's fine because you're completing their sentence

[wispy vortex]

in my experience in school teachers didn't like this either since they wanted full sentence answers

[golden wagon]

Yeah

But it's sort of one of those examples of trying to make a simple rule to reflect a complex reality

[wispy vortex]

yeahh

since there are full sentences like "because the candy is sweet, i like it" that can be formed, but it's complicated to explain that

[woven canopy]

(Note: I do not think we do need pi disambiguators. This is hypothetical.)
I feel like if we don't think of them as "pairs of brackets", it would be easier to comprehend.
Take "the chemistry book about compounds and mixtures" for example. We usually think there is only one about phrase, with the "target" compounds and mixtures.
However, we can also think of the and as and about, essentially as a closing bracket to the previous about phrase, as well as opening a new one.

This would clarify ambiguities in A pi (B C pi (D E)) vs A pi (B C) pi (D E) but I guess wouldn't help for A pi (B C) D vs A pi (B C D), though in the latter case you can just say that pi extends for as long as possible and use A D pi (B C) for A pi (B C) D, which should be close enough in meaning.

Ideally such a word would be single syllable as a particle.

[wispy vortex]

for me it also feels weird to introduce a coordinating conjunction that can only be used to coordinate pi phrases

[woven canopy]

Well, it could repoen the last phrase, whatever it is, however A lon (B C) lon (D E) doesn't seem that useful.

[wispy vortex]

prepositions don't attach to nouns though

they attach to the whole sentence

[woven canopy]

Isn't that different in different nasins

[wispy vortex]

so 'pi' is the only word that has grouping ambiguities like this

[wispy vortex]

ime it's an error

it's an error in the same way "mi o ala o moku" to ask "should i eat" is an error

[woven canopy]

[mi o ala o moku]
I should become nothing and eat

[wispy vortex]

hm i think this article is written kind of badly since it implies that all of these methods are unused to the same degree

[woven canopy]

yeah

[wispy vortex]

in speech the first one is relatively common but the second and third ones i would consider errors

[woven canopy]

Also gotta love the name spelling

jan [ P U T A ]

[wispy vortex]

that is definitely not standard a a a

[woven canopy]

lon modifying nouns seems mildly useful but I can see the unending ambiguity it brings

[meager mason]

objection: programming languages are natlangs /j

[wispy vortex]

they're conlangs!

[meager mason]

yeah it was a joke lmao

[woven canopy]

You're saying I know 15 natlangs without me knowing? /musi

[wispy vortex]

someone at a club meeting i went to was talking about some neurolinguistics research they were involved in

and interestingly the linguistic parts of the brain aren't really activated when we read code

[meager mason]

ooh thats interesting

although it makes sense when you think about it

[woven canopy]

I mean, code is less two-way communication.

[wispy vortex]

they aren't activated when we get random streams of english words, and they aren't activated when we read nonsensical yet grammatical text like the jabberwocky poem

only when we read grammatical english text is it consistently activated

[meager mason]

programming languages aren't really about communication
they are more like mathematical notation but a bit more human readable

what parts of the brain are activated whilst reading programming languages and mathematical notation?

[wispy vortex]

i'm not sure

i'd guess that it'd just be general frontal cortex stuff

[woven canopy]

I think the features of code aren't even linked to any language meanings at all.
Like I wouldn't see if(x) and think "If X is true..." and then parse that to logic.
The code directly maps to logic.

That also means if if was renamed to if_not and had the same meaning it wouldn't matter

[wispy vortex]

reading books isn't two-way communication either but we still use the linguistic parts of our brain for that

[meager mason]

here is an interesting idea for an expirement: teach people to use a programming language based of a natlang they dont speak

[woven canopy]

I guess machine code is natlang to hardware

[meager mason]

yeah but its still human to human communication

programming is human to computer to human communication

[wispy vortex]

isn't it crazy that computers are what happens when humans trick sand into thinking

[woven canopy]

It needs some prog experience though

Like if all the programming keywords were one or two characters long it wouldn't really hinder the readability for experienced programmers. Obviously it sacrifices a lot of learnability though.

[meager mason]

lmao we had this conversation in #toki-ale
we started calling programmers "petramancers" in that thread

petramancer is an underrated word

[woven canopy]

Real example: In assembly, there are instructions like zap

which are acronyms. But human brains do not naturally parse out acronyms and treat them like nimisins

[meager mason]

i read that like the word zap
i like to imagine that it zaps the computer and makes it unusable

[woven canopy]

the RAS syndrome is a very good example

when we say "ATM machine", it's clear that our brain doesn't actually expand the acronym ATM

[meager mason]

thanks you made me look up RAS syndrome

[wispy vortex]

sometimes they do! like the words 'lol' and 'lmao'

[meager mason]

yeah but those are more words with ancronyms as origins than acronyms as words

[wispy vortex]

oh wait i misunderstood what you were saying

i thought it was human brains do not naturally [parse out acronyms and treat them like nimisins]

but it was human brains do not naturally parse out acronyms, and human brains treat them like nimisins instead

[woven canopy]

yeah

syntactical ambiguity at work

[wispy vortex]

therefore we should add VP closing particles to english

[meager mason]

punctuation solves this ambiguity in writing and pauses in speaking
sidenote: perhaps a similar situation can be used for pi ""ambiguity""

[woven canopy]

But human brains do not <phr> naturally parse out acronyms </phr> but <phr> treat them like nimisins </phr>

[wispy vortex]

lonnnn

and then do the same thing with </sarcasm> turning into /s:
But human brains do not natural parse out acronyms /p but treat them like nimisins

[meager mason]

what does phr stand for

[woven canopy]

actually the way better idea is

But human brains doNotBut naturally parse out acronyms doNotBut treat them like nimisins

[wispy vortex]

phrase i assume

[woven canopy]

phrase

[wispy vortex]

hmm

[woven canopy]

In my conlang all concepts with two phrases/objects have repeated words like that

treating doNotBut as a single word

[meager mason]

<sntc><cls type="main">the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog</cls></sntc>

[wispy vortex]

[ConjP But [Conj' [Conj Ø] [CP [C' [C Ø] [TP [T' [T Ø] [VP [DP [D' [D Ø] [NP human brains]]] [V' [V do] [NegP not [Neg' [Neg Ø] [VP [V' [V natural] [VP [V' [V parse] [PP [P' [P out] [DP acronyms]]]]]]]]] [ConjP but [Conj' [Conj Ø] [VP [V' [V treat] [DP them] [PP like [DP nimisins]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

wait this is wrong

[meager mason]

oh no
this is like bad apple but for progressively more loglany english

[wispy vortex]

i just tried making an x-bar representation of the sentence and failed

[meager mason]

whats the bad apple/doom of absurd translations?

[golden wagon]

tower of babel

[woven canopy]

<xml schema="https://www.english.com/standard">
  <text>
    <sentence>
      <subject>
        <article>the</article>
        <qualified_noun>
            <adjective>quick</adjective>
            <adjective>brown</adjective>
            <noun>fox</noun>
        </qualified_noun>
      </subject>
      <predicate>
        <verb base="jump" tense="past">jumped</verb>
      </predicate>
      <object>
        <article>the</article>
        <qualified_noun>
            <adjective>lazy</adjective>
            <noun>dog</noun>
        </qualified_noun>
      </object>
    </sentence>
  </text>
</xml>

[meager mason]

english . com

my favourite website

[woven canopy]

it redirects to https://www.pearson.com/languages lol

[wispy vortex]

[ConjP [Conj' [Conj but] [CP [C' [C Ø] [ConjP [TP [DP^ human brains] [T' [T do [-PST]] [NegP [Neg' [Neg not] [VP [V' [AdvP^ naturally] [V' [V parse out] [DP^ acronyms]]]]]]]][Conj' [Conj and] [TP [T' [T [-PST]] [vP [v' [v_a treat] [VP [DP^ nimisins] [V' [V tr<a>] [DP^ them]]]]]]]]]]]]]

i think we should just communicate with these

[meager mason]

yes syntax tree only conlang when

also whats that null word doing here

[wispy vortex]

hmm actually the conjunctino should start out lower with the subject in SpecVP so that the subject is shared but i don't wanna do that

[wispy vortex]

the C is the complementizer, it marks the start of a clause

it's normally covert in the matrix clause in english

[meager mason]

no not C
the Ø

[wispy vortex]

ye the Ø is the C

[meager mason]

a

[wispy vortex]

null complementizer

[wispy vortex]

https://toaq.net/refgram/introduction/ is constructed based on these kinds of trees

which is very cool since it makes it super naturalistic for a loglang

[meager mason]

im aware of toaq's existence but i did not know about this

[wispy vortex]

many natural languages are analyzed with the exact same kinds of trees toaq uses in its construction

which i think is super cool

[meager mason]

ooh so a natloglang

[wispy vortex]

yep

[finite frigate]

make it use reverse polish notation

[hardy cloud]

make it require parenthesis

[hallow plaza]

I couldn't find a word for this but I might just be bad at alasa:
etopa - living things that don't fit with Earth terms like soweli pipi and akesi. From Heptapod, the name of an alien species in Arrival, that from Ancient Greek ἑπτά (seven)+ποδός (leg) seveb-legs.
sitelen pona would be this:

a very simplified image of a Heptapod with the eye radical found in soweli, waso, kijetesantakalu, etc.

[rough mantle]

…akesi…

[lucid aspen]

i think this glyph is kinda complicated at sitelen pona scale but i see the vision
maybe something like this

[hallow plaza]

Oh yeah that's much more pona tawa mi.

[lucid aspen]

i would kinda enjoy a nimisin for alien ngl

[kindred pollen]

a particle to mark a word as preposition.

[weak citrus]

lo

usage

sandbox (no book)

definition

(particle) [indicates a prepositional phrase]

see also

⚠️ This proposed word is in the sandbox. It is not in use by the community.

[kindred pollen]

How to use it

[warm wasp]

wow finally sth interesting here :P
isota la I like it! tho for me kana is already close enough, but I'm still torn if I wanna use it. mi la it's kana with "untruth" completely gone, plus background and stuff, which I feel is a bit like waleja, that part i might prefer using poka instead
nimi lo la too busy to think about it, but wanted to make sth concrete with it like ta

[warm wasp]

forward soweli :P
the above is a realistic creeper

aliens are probably just ijo mun, or nasa for me

[finite frigate]

ka pi mun ante
...ok ijo pi mun ante

[bright axle]

juna

train

from finnish juna (train)
(this got upgraded from bad nimisin)

[kindred pollen]

ulan

From German uran ( uranium )
Any hard thing which can be melted with a significant amount of heat. ( Like metals , glass and plastic ).

[wispy vortex]

nimi kiwen li pona tawa mi lon ni

“mi seli wawa e kiwen ni la ona li kama telo”

[warm wasp]

lon la kiwen ale li ken telo kepeken seli mute a

[woven canopy]

sina ken ala telo e kasi suli anu seme
kasi suli li ken kiwen mute

[warm wasp]

sina weka e kon pi ken seli la ona li ken telo :P

[still karma]

mi taso li pali
”josuta - (stretchy, elastic, rubber, rubbery)” [from Finnish ‘joustava’]

[copper spade]

wa - subject marker, (like li for verbs and e for objects), elided at the beginning of sentences (since the first word of a sentence can be implied as a subject).

• from japanese topic marker は
• yes this is the april fool's nasin taken seriously again, though without the free constituent order part
• used conjunctive for multiple subjects as normal for such particles
• gives the particle en vastly more freedom:

ish en - general conjunction

• en now takes any two content words + modifiers on its left and right and treats them as a single phrase, grammatically. semantically it implies both constituents at once, as opposed to anu implying either.
• particle doubling is still the preferred solution. en is a fallback for if/when the speaker judges that particle doubling would be ambiguous. choosing to use en is always optional.

slightly lukewarm on this one tbf. more a thought experiment than anything. awen la ni li ike lili tawa mi: toki pona has different rules for all of its coordinators

anu vs. doubling vs. taso and honestly even kin (la) a bit.

the doubling / juxtaposition is really neat conceptually but idk how pona it is

and it gives rise to some weird ambiguities that a single dedicated coordinator wouldn't (mi and sina with multiple predicates, whatever's going on with pi, the original semantic gap when it came to simply coordinating multiple clauses)

mi sona musi la kulupu li lukin li sona ala sona e ni: nasin toki 'kin la'?

it's a coordinator taso. just a multi-sentence one. so toki pona now has a bespoke grammatical construction and a fossilized phrase slash intersentence conjunction doing a job that could be handled by a single particle that works exactly like pre-existing anu.

msa. ona li ijo

[keen kernel]

tenpo ale

[sly wadi]

Fair enough...

[meager mason]

the bad nimi sin are infecting this channel

plus jan li weka sona e ni: o suli e sitelen o kepeken e

[sly wadi]

Right... pretend I never said anything...

[pearl laurel]

lani - counterpart of la that you can use to post-pose a context phrase. It goes after the context phrase (which itself is after the clause you meant to put that context phrase in front of). This word exists mainly to trick you into using normal Toki Pona grammar in this situation by saying "la ni". Example:

o moku e moku ni · n… sina wile lani

[lucid aspen]

i like this

[kindred pollen]

Can you explain that more

[pearl laurel]

That example was this situation:
“eat this food! Uh, if you want to, that is”
Ideally it would have been:
“if you’re hungry, please eat this!”
sina wile la o moku e ni
But the speaker accidentally said the command first, and then wanted to qualify it later. However, in Toki Pona one can’t just put a “la” phrase at the end like this:
o moku e ni, sina wile la.

Sometimes, people propose nimisin words to “fix” this that replace la, such as alu which I think works like this:
o moku e ni alu sina wile

However, in my recent realization, this can be fine and sufficient:
o moku e ni · sina wile la, ni
“Please eat this. In the context of your wanting to, that [is].”
And then “la, ni” → lani

This post was partly a dig at nimisin that try to “fix this issue” but I felt like it might be interesting even without that component!

[wispy vortex]

i like this but i definitely prefer lon

o moku e ni… lon ni taso: sina wile

[golden wagon]

ni can backrefer to a whole sentence imo

usually i do "sina wile (blah blah) la, o ni

[pearl laurel]

Yes both of these approaches are even better but less conducive to a clever nimisin 😏

[kindred pollen]

lon ni taso ? What did you mean by this?

[pearl laurel]

Eat this! … [but] only in this [scenario]: you want to.

[calm falcon]

no - [preposition marker.]
no takes the next word and turns it into a preposition in a fairly systematic way that applies to any toki pona word. it's like 「lo」 but slightly more generalized

rough explanation: if 「X no Y Z」 then, 「X la, Y ona li Z」 (where Y is a singular word)
example: 「mi tawa no ma ni」 > 「mi tawa la, ma ona li ni」/「ma pi[ mi tawa ] li ni」 > "i walked, and the place [of this walking] was here" > 「mi tawa lon ni」/"i walked here"

general correspondences with pu prepositions:

• 「tawa」: 「no pini*[?]*」 (referring to literal motion)
• 「tawa」: 「no kon」「no waleja」「no la*[?!]*」 (referring to opinion or perspective)
• 「tawa」: 「no tan」「no wile」「no o*[?!]*」 (referring to doing something for something else or on its behalf)
• 「lon」: 「no ma」「no selo」「no poki」 (referring to literal position)
• 「lon」: 「no kon」「no waleja」 (referring to metaphorical topic or situation)
• 「tan」: 「no tan」
• 「kepeken」: 「no nasin」「no ilo」「no kepeken」
• 「sama」: 「no sama」

see also: lo, ta

[pearl laurel]

what makes this a good nimisin?

do you propose to stop using pu prepositions on their own without no altogether?

[calm falcon]

in that i put effort and thought into it instead of it being a shitpost; i don't believe people will use it, but that's besides the point

[calm falcon]

ken

taso not required

i was just looking for a systematic way to derive prepositional meanings from words

[pearl laurel]

Because it was fun to try or because you actually feel like toki pona is incomplete without this?

I'm genuinely curious, sorry if my tone is coming across poorly

[calm falcon]

it was fun to try and it's interesting to think about
toki pona isn't incomplete without this as much as it is. Negligably More Ambiguous

[calm falcon]

f

ale li pona

[pearl laurel]

I feel like prepositions are the weirdest part of like… every language that has them

[calm falcon]

i mean.

「la」

[pearl laurel]

Like, the word "from" doesn't feel like it contains the essence of the equivalent of a content word that was turned into a preposition

[calm falcon]

"source"

[pearl laurel]

I guess my natural instinct when trying to use a content word in this way is to use it as a modifier, rather than a preposition

[calm falcon]

that's more sane tbf

but too normal :3

[pearl laurel]

haha

[calm falcon]

going through these the most awkward preposition is 「sama」

because "thing that other things are similar to" isn't really a. semantic space in toki pona

[stuck oar]

kala pi noka mute anu seme?

mi sona e ni: mi wile lape a a a

[hallow plaza]

etopa la, nimi mute li ken pona. kala (en kala pi noka mute) li ken pona. akesi li ken pona. taso kule etopa ale la, nimi ni li ken ala pona. ijo pilin ante li ken lon ma weka (anu ma poka). kepeken toki pona la, jan li ken ala toki e ijo ni. tan ni la, mi pali e nimi etopa

(and I just named it after heptapods 'cause I really like Arrival)

[void tulip]

juli - glass, glasses, window, transparent.
Origin: Korean - 유리 [yuri] (glass)

[lucid aspen]

YURI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rough mantle]

MELI OLIN

[void tulip]

Koreans be like:
That's Lesbian 👉 🪟

[meager mason]

idk windows are pretty lesbian ngl

[bright axle]

what is linux then

[void tulip]

peje - bend, sit...
Origin: Danish - bøje (bend)

[meager mason]

good point

altho I meant physical windows, not the OS
windows the OS is about as straight as it gets

[lucid aspen]

what's the relationship between bend & sit here

what's that entail

[meager mason]

see PIE *nemos and how they associated bending and praying or something idk

[bright axle]

yeah i know

[meager mason]

I use arch, btw

[void tulip]

That sitting is something like bending between your legs and your rest of the body

[lucid aspen]

a

[void tulip]

tenta - try, attempt...
Origin: Portuguese - tentar (try)

[warm wasp]

alasa

[hardy cloud]

as a Korean, I can confirm

[bright axle]

i use steamos holo, btw (it's based on arch)

[native root]

This is the belated yearly aniversary of the good nimisin group chat thing or whatever this is called in Discord, channel? Anyways, Happy Yearly Aniversary! I don't know if i'm using aniversary correctly!

or is it Birthday?

[lucid aspen]

tu li ken

[native root]

oke

[glad dune]

.n uwita

[round linden]

uwita

…is a post-ku word coined by kolisin in December 2024. It is derived from the Estonian word huvitav "interesting, intriguing".

It is a content word that pertains to things that are draw one's attention, regardless if they are intentionally designed to do so or not. The naturalistic inspiration for this word is flowers, and flowers are produced by plants to interest pollinators so that they may pass on the pollen to other flowers. This means you could use uwita to refer to flowers, advertisements, advocation, bait, or simply something that's interesting to you.

Some examples of usage with potential translations include:
mi alasa awen pona e uwita mi "I make sure to maintain my garden."
o lukin ala e lipu ni. ona li alasa uwita taso "Don't read that article; it's clickbait."
toki pona li uwita e mi "I've been interested in Toki Pona."
namako seme li ken uwita e toki mi "What are some things that could spice up my presentation?"

sitelen pona glyph: [TBD]

#7f5293 uwita

[glad dune]

forgot this thread existed

[lucid aspen]

i keep forgetting this means flower and the first example reads to me as "i'm trying to maintain my raw appeal"

me getting glammed up

[glad dune]

that is also a valid reading!

really i think of uwita as a namako situation

it was inspired by flowers but doesn't really universally mean flowers in all contexts per se

just like how a spice is not namako in all contexts

[lucid aspen]

true

[glad dune]

so in this case the garden is more like an attraction

[lucid aspen]

mi alasa awen pona e uwita mi - i'm trying to take care of my comically large tomato which has now become a tourist attraction and is the only reason people come to my farm

[glad dune]

exactlyyy

kili suli uwita mi

[lucid aspen]

incredible

[glad dune]

uwita's a fun word yeah

[fast root]

kise - cliché, trope, stereotype, copy, overdone, overused, overhyped, exaggerated
from French cliché - stereotype, copy
mi kise e musi pi tenpo musi ni “i overhyped the enjoyability of this party”
o lukin, kise insa e lipu ni li kise a “look, the stereotypes in this book are exaggerated”

[lucid aspen]

ete

[dreamy hollow]

oju (from english "oil") :n. oil, fat, butter, grease. adj: slippery, oily, greasy. v: to slip,
to fry,

[glad dune]

1. I have seen words basically identical to this proposed before
2. this essentially quarantines explaining what fatty or oily things do in their various applications to just a single word instead of being obligated to explain what they do

[dreamy hollow]

toki pona is minimalistic but it's not bare minimum, i dont really see why not

[glad dune]

I’m genuinely glad you learned that aspect of toki pona already

[glad dune]

to 1, this would be the word anta

[warm wasp]

anta sounds much better than oju tawa mi
slippery is new tho, but im not certain if oil slippery is too close to water slippery

[dreamy hollow]

anta sounds like ante imo.

oju isnt good, so i though about wilu (huille-FR)

antu?

[native root]

anti /j

[onyx torrent]

i like minja, from malay minyak (oil)

[lucid aspen]

the five billion nimisins for oil:

[meager mason]

the five billion
oil
(note: this word must be treated as though it is a collection of nimisin)
/badnimisin

[dreamy hollow]

nimi kon

[pseudo vessel]

the — oil
five — oil
billion — oil

[void tulip]

kino - movie, video, recording, footage
Origin: Russian - кино [kino] (movie)

[warm wasp]

sitelen

[dapper pawn]

my first thought for an sp glyph was lukin with emitters but owe already took that

is suli with emitters taken?

wait omg

[stuck spear]

namako (the bad one)

[dapper pawn]

luka + lukin

like how moku is luka + uta

well minus the dot

maybe you can take away the dot from lukin too

[glad dune]

ooo

my only idea for this was funnily enough just :3c

[onyx torrent]

sona but with more emitters

[void tulip]

epi - heavy, weight
Origin: English - heavy (heavy)

[meager mason]

suli

[void tulip]

all the nimisins i made i only liked juli and peje (kino if you watch videos/movies a lot)

[lucid aspen]

i've made about 2 nimi sin and if you remove the one i didn't make (someone else coined it and i coined it independently of them) i don't like any of my nimisin

[void tulip]

so what nimisins you made?

[lucid aspen]

jupi (general yippee exclamation as well as the general concept of winning / succeeding, which was already coined by someone else) and i'm not naming the other one because it's really really bad

[glad dune]

it’s funny to be able to say that I used wiwi recently

“mi ken ala wiwi”

this was in response to someone saying “kalapisituji”

[lucid aspen]

wiwi li seme

[glad dune]

nimi Wiwi li tan ma toki pona francophone li tan “oui oui”

ona li tawa kon ni: agreement, approval, yes

[lucid aspen]

a

[dapper pawn]

emitters with emitters

[onyx torrent]

sin sin

or perhaps seli seli without the ijo

[meager mason]

emmiters with emmiters with emmiters

[onyx torrent]

explosion

[glad dune]

fireworks show

on the topic of emitters glyphs (because I hate them so they’re funny to me) a technically applicable one for uwita would be alasa with emitters

[dapper pawn]

omg..

[waxen mountain]

MORE

[coral tangle]

ilo Siko la mi lawa e kulupu “Toki Pona Paris” (ma tomo Paki, ma Kanse)

mi mute li jo e nimi sin

[fast root]

-n - politeness marker. put at the end of subjects (that are usually not the speaker), verbs and/or objects in a sentence. words that already have n at the end either do not have to use this marker or can have a repetition of the last syllable. not usually used twice in a single sentence
a priori, or from Chinese nǐ, nín - you
mi olin e sinan “i love you”
sina lanpanan e moku ni “you stole that food”
sinan weka anu semen? “can you leave please?”

[glad dune]

-(V)n

me when there's affixes at the function

[lucid aspen]

sina lanpa e moku ni "you stole that food evily"

[glad dune]

Disappointment from the whole gathering

[lucid aspen]

and the crowd excahnges weird glances 🗣️‼️🔥🗣️🔥🔥🗣️‼️🗣️‼️🔥🗣️‼️🗣️‼️🔥🗣️

[glad dune]

nimi sin more like nimi si

[fast root]

accidentally made seme worse for the entire language

nimisin immediately deprecated

[dapper pawn]

-# actually it's nín

an

[meager mason]

semen? I don't see what's weird about that at all! I feel like I must be missing something

[onyx torrent]

it’s “what hm” in toki pona

[bright axle]

i didn't even realize this until you wrote it out 💀

i was like "how would this make seme worse"

[void tulip]

i made glyphs for juli and peje

[fast root]

kupu - structural part, structure, bone, skeleton, frame, formation, strength, strengthen
from Igbo ọkpụkpụ - bone, skeleton
compare sijelo

[meager mason]

sijelo

or wawa

[dapper pawn]

suli?

[meager mason]

ken

[fast root]

sijelo ala anu seme………

i think…………………

[fast root]

onjon layer, layers, floors, tiers, slices, sections, 🧅
from French oignon - onion (because onions have layers.)
tomo e ni li jo e onjon ale mute mute mute tu wan “this building has 163 floors”
mi onjon e moku suwi ni “i cut this sweet food”
o pana e onjon tawa e jan ma Esalasi ala “no onions for the Austrians”

[lucid aspen]

jan Janpa a

[fast root]

jan Janpa li jo e nimisin tu!

[fast root]

ki - energy, vitality, life force; electricity, electric; dynamic, healthy; health, nutrition
from Chinese 氣 qì - air, breath; vital energy
kon ki - oxygen, breath
kon ki jaki - carbon
moku ki - nutritious food, healthy food
nasin ki - energy generation
ki wawa - electricity
kili li pana e ki “fruit are nutritious”
ki mi li ike “my health is bad”
mi kepeken e ki wawa mute “i use lots of electricity”

[lucid aspen]

qi is pronounced chi though it's not a /k/

[rough mantle]

taso… mi la kalama K li ike ala lon ni
ona tu la insa pi linja uta li sewi sama kalama J
kin la ona li ken /k/ lon nasin ni:
/ka/ [ka]
/kɤ/ [kɤ]
/ki/ [tɕi] (kalama [ki] li lon ala)

[lucid aspen]

a

[fast root]

many languages pronounce it like ki/gi when referring to qi………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

[rough mantle]

nasa

nn nasa ala, lon ni: kalama ante ala li pona

[fast root]

ken kon ko ki kin ❤️

[onyx torrent]

ke

[fast root]

ke ken, ko kon, ki kin
ku… ka…

[onyx torrent]

kan li lon

sona mi la kun li lon ala

[fast root]

lon…

kun ken lon anu seme

[onyx torrent]

jan li kon e ona la ona li ken nimi sin

mi ni pi musi taso:

kun - to fill a gap, to make something whole, completion, 100%

<- a priori, to complete the kV(n) set

musi Selese la sina kun ala kun? - do you have 100% in Celeste?

pali nimi ni li tan taso kun - the only reason this word was made was to complete a set

a, lupa mute li lon.. nasin o kun! - there are so many potholes… this road needs to be patched!

[fast root]

LON!!!!!!!!! A!!!!!!!!!!

[lucid aspen]

ken li kon kun kin kan ka ko ku

[onyx torrent]

kokanu

[fast root]

tongue twister pi toki pona

[lucid aspen]

jan pan li lanpan pan li pana e pan tan jan san wan tan wile pan

[fast root]

mi ken kepeken e kon ki ni kan toki Kokanu e ko kun ni, ke

[onyx torrent]

kin, ka kon ki ku kun li ken kan ko, ke. - also, ghosts that finish the toki pona dictionary might be next to dirt, ok

[fast root]

sitelen k li sama powe tenpo lon 😭

[onyx torrent]

nimi k li mute lon toki ni a

[fast root]

musi a………

[dapper pawn]

wasn't it ki in the past

[stuck spear]

qi, pronounced [qi]

[rough mantle]

sona mi la ona li ni

[void tulip]

made these words inspired by soto and teje

antawe - before, past, time ago
Origin: Esperanto - antaŭe (before)

meta - after, future, later
Origin: Greek - μετά (after)

[near haven]

pini anu majuna li ken nanpa wan

tawa li ken lili nanpa tu

taso, mi sona taso e lili…

[wispy vortex]

ni li 'pini' li 'kama' anu seme. "jan pini" li toki e jan ni: ona li ken pini li ken lon tenpo pini. "jan kama" li toki e jan ni: ona li kama li lon tenpo kama.

kin la 'soto' en 'teje' li ike tawa mi. lon la jan li wile toki e poka la o sona e ni: poka ni li suli tan seme. ken wan la ona li suli tan ni: nasin sitelen li tawa tan poka ni tawa poka ante. ken ante la ona li suli tan ni: sina wile tawa poka ante nasin la o lukin nanpa wan e poka pi kama tomo. sina sona ala e suli poka la tan seme a la sina wile toki e ona

english: i also don't like soto or teje. if you really want to talk about these sides, you should have to understand why they're important.

maybe you want to tell someone to put something at the start of a line when writing. you should talk about the direction the writing goes, and the side that writing starts on. this is different in different writing systems, so explaining that reason makes your explanation more universal!

maybe you want to tell someone where to look when they cross the street. in the US, children are taught to look "left, right, left". do you know why "left" is first? it's because cars travel on the right side of the road, so you should look in the direction they come first. in other countries, cars could drive on the left. there, you should first look right when crossing the street! if your explanation instead talks about looking the ways cars come first, it makes it more universal and it forces you to explain why a direction is important rather than giving a piece of information without the understanding of why

[woven canopy]

Let's say you are writing a review for a new browser. You say "... However, the address bar is on the left rather than the top, which is weird."
Why is left important? You don't know! It's just where the address bar is. Be it a carefully thought out decision or an arbitrary design choice, you have no idea.

[wispy vortex]

sure! then i would just say poka. since i have no idea why it being on a different side is important

and a good review communication would have images, which are part of your medium of communication

if i were talking about it with a friend, i would just talk about how it's poka rather than sewi, and i don't know why

[woven canopy]

maybe some people consider the left side to be more convenient than the right side because of preferences, and poka doesn't encode such information

yeah, that's the difference between a review and a conversation

a review is targeted at all kinds of audience of which you cannot assume anything

[wispy vortex]

if they consider the left side to be more convenient then that's an important difference and i would then have a reason :p

[woven canopy]

some people think left is better, some think the right is better, you don't know which kind your audience is

so you can't say "poka pi wile sina" or something

[wispy vortex]

images and demonstrations are also part of communication

and so is the context of the product of a review

if i leave a review on a browser and say "i don't know why the address bar is poka" then it's incredibly clear because everyone in the situation already has the context for the browser that i'm reviewing, so specifying further would be adding unnecessary information

[glad dune]

soto and teje have always annoyed me yeah

they're essentially the isipin of directions for toki pona

[lucid aspen]

breaking news: soto & teje canonized, dyslexic tokiponists devastated

[lucid aspen]

ote - yes/no question marker, equivalent to "X ala X" or "X anu seme"; variant of "me" [see .n me for more info]. attaches to a noun phrase to mark it as the topic of the question:

• sina ote li wile tawa tomo esun - did you wanna go to the mall? (you and not someone else?)
• sina wile ote tawa tomo esun - did you wanna go to the mall? (if you don't that's fine)
• sina wile tawa tomo esun ote - did you wanna go to the mall? (or somewhere else?)
  ← Basque "ote" - general interrogative particle

coining this because talking about me is getting annoying because i have to specify not the english word every time 😔

anyways yay

[wispy vortex]

n tan seme la sina kepeken ala "anu seme" taso

sina anu seme li wile tawa tomo esun

[lucid aspen]

mi weka e "anu" ALE tan toki mi Njekeke >:3 (mi ni ala kiwen)

[wispy vortex]

a a sona

[glad dune]

nimi Anu li nimi ike li kama weka la seme

[wispy vortex]

mi kepeken ala nimi anu. li kepeken ona lon "anu seme" taso a a

[glad dune]

inb4 X ala X: congrations you know the toki pona

[wispy vortex]

tan ni: jan ale o awen ken sona e toki mi

[lucid aspen]

lon la mi ni. taso mi wile toki e nimi "me" (anu nimi "ote" ni) tan musi li toki e tan ni lon ni :3

[wispy vortex]

toki sonko la ni li ken: "sina [moku] e kili [ala moku]?"

[wispy vortex]

sona sona

[lucid aspen]

lon a la mi kepeken X ala X taso a a a

[coarse inlet]

tanka
-# from Japanese 段階 (dankai)
step, stage, progress, level, dimension

ona li tanka sin e ni a!
it will add a whole new dimension to this!

toku
-# from English torque
torque, spin, rotate, dizzy, groggy, slippery
(note that using this word would replace tawa sike when it represents rotation, and tawa sike will mean revolution instead)

mi lon ilo pi soweli pi tawa sike la mi pilin toku a…
after being on the merry-go-round, i feel dizzy…

[fast root]

ete a!!!

first thing that came to mind was “toki toku”

[lucid aspen]

tuki tuku

[pseudo vessel]

The Language Of Uh This Is Confusing I’m Feeling Dizzy

[fast root]

ithkuil moment

[fast root]

kulin
clean, sanitary, clear, wash, pure
blank, empty, plain, nothing
innocent, upstanding, fair, pure
-# from English clean; antonym of jaki
o kulin e luka sina. “wash your hands.”
mi kama e tomo kulin (pi musi Amanka) “i go to the decontamination room (in Among Us)”
sitelen ni li kulin, li walo taso… “this painting is nothing, it’s just white…”
kulin sina li lon ala “your innocence is fake”

sitelen pona: poki symbol with telo symbol coming out from the bottom like a tissue box
-# i can’t send images please don’t sue me 😔

[muted flume]

why not

[vocal elk]

💣 pon
bomb, explosion, to spontaneously combust, blast

mi jo e pon
”I have a bomb”

mi wile pon e tomo mani
”I want to blow up the bank”

[meager mason]

pakala

[glad dune]

mi jo e ilo pakala

mi wile pakala e tomo mani

[vocal elk]

No

I don’t want to destroy it

I want to bomb it

One is funnier

mi pon e tomo sina

[rough mantle]

mi wile ilo pakala e tomo mani

[lucid aspen]

moli

[void tulip]

olu - egg, seed, semen, pregnant

moku olu/olu waso - egg
olu kasi - seed
meli olu - pregnant woman
olu unpa/telo olu - sperm

from: Latvian - Olu (Egg)

[meager mason]

semen and pregnant in the same word 😭

[lucid aspen]

you could use kili for this if you're brave

kind of

[void tulip]

imagine calling "come" a fruit

[meager mason]

mi moku e olu = I am eating eggs, I am eatin- broadcast cut off for your safety

[void tulip]

mi moku e telo olu

[meager mason]

mi la, if your gonna have a word for semen, it should also include sperm

semantically

[void tulip]

yes olu is also sperm

[glad dune]

so is olu like gamete or something?

[lucid aspen]

egg and seed can be kili idk about the other ones

[meager mason]

olu-unpa merger

eggs are now sex

[lucid aspen]

you could talk about this with some combination of kili and mama

[void tulip]

mi moku e moku unpaaaaaaaaa 🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚🥚

[lucid aspen]

incorrect

chickens do not require unpa to lay eggs

[meager mason]

if unpa = sex, moku unpa = HRT
egg emoji is valid here
/j

[glad dune]

yeah eggs are pretty much more like periods

which makes sense when you know how menstruation actually works

[lucid aspen]

this conversation is deteriorating rapidly (ignoring what kolisin just said)

[glad dune]

then clearly olu should also mean "one of the things in a pair that get mixed together and consumed to create a new thing"
yellow paint is olu to make the kili green paint
finally, mama

[lucid aspen]

incredible

[glad dune]

perhaps with steven universe, a fusion's gems would be the olu, and the resultant gem is the kili

perhaps olu could also mean ingredient

like you could reckon that when i mix together the ingredients to make a cake, then i get a cake
the ingredients are necessary and consumed to make a product

[lucid aspen]

when you bake a cake decorate it take it to the playerswho are safe that's how you know it's cake at staaaaaaaaaaaake /lyr

[glad dune]

but of course you would have other things than just mixing, which is also true of pregnancy

[lucid aspen]

logical conclusion to this argument: ovens

reading this while i literally just made a mug cake is an interesting experience

[rough mantle]

olu pi kili sina li poki kiwen anu seme

[lucid aspen]

the oreos and milk and baking powder had sex in my microwave to make me a delectable cake in less than 5 minutes

[meager mason]

unpa semantic space expansion:
to combine, to join in a union

[glad dune]

poki kiwen li seme

okay but when you have sex you don't get combined

like sure there's coitus but you come undone after, it's not permanent

not to mention the whooole other aspect of sex that isn't just sterile clinical scientific reproduction

[rough mantle]

poki li jo e telo e sike ni: jan li ken jo luka e poki kepeken ona

||mug cake||

[lucid aspen]

i don't think the mug should primarily be olu it's not really adding to the reaction

[glad dune]

ahhh sona

[lucid aspen]

ona li poki e wan olu

[glad dune]

olu is just namako's counterpart clearly

[lucid aspen]

we finally found it; better* iseki

[rough mantle]

a
(toki mi la mi musi taso, sama ni: sina pana e kiwen tawa pan li moku e kiwen)

[glad dune]

SO TRUE

[lucid aspen]

a a a sona

[void tulip]

leje - rule, law
From Spanish: leye (law)

jan leje - police, guard
tomo leje - police station
leje mute (ike) - strict
mama pi leje mute (ike) - strict parent
ken tan leje - allowed
ken ala tan leje - not allowed
wile tan leje - mandatory
weka tan leje - banned, suspended
leje suli - important rule
nasin e leje - follow the rules
pakala e leje - break the rules
jan pakala e leje - criminal, rebel
ike tan pakala e leje - punishment
kulupu pi leje ala - anarchy

[warm wasp]

lawa

literally just lawa

[lucid aspen]

the community has FORGOTTEN about kamalawala 😔

also pi used as relative clause marker 💔

"jan pi pakala e leje"

[warm wasp]

is bad nimisin leaking out or is this just typical ma pona

[lucid aspen]

beginners making nimi sin to fill gaps they think exist but really don't because they're beginners

been there done that

[woven canopy]

why are they in tomo ni though

we have tomo Bad Nimisins and tomo Okay Nimisins

[lucid aspen]

beginner overconfidence i assume

[woven canopy]

we should make this post nomination-only where ppl vote on bad nimisins to get moved here

[lucid aspen]

the first nimisin i made i literally phrased as "the word that will fix toki pona" and it was fucking ass

so yeah been there done that

[woven canopy]

thewordthatwillfixtokipona - indicates that the conversation will use English from now on

[glad dune]

they don’t tell you that #1187029495203504168 is just the more serious counterpart to #1181641057985908797

I would have said this wayyy earlier but then my mom had to ask me to complete 57 tasks so I was delayed by an hour

[lucid aspen]

hi kolisin

[glad dune]

hi

the actually good nimisinner has arrived /evil

my first nimi sin wasn’t really meant to fix toki pona, it was sort of an admittance of defeat that I felt like there wasn’t a direct way to talk about orders and sequences other than nasin or perhaps nanpa which I felt didn’t cut it

and I felt like that semantic space idea would be a fun and versatile one, considering how much humans like thinking about recurring or sequential features

[warm wasp]

it's weird that I've never made a serious nimisin ever

[glad dune]

and I still find myself being like “oh wait this thing could be kepa”

this typically happens in my material sciences class

so far crystals and their structures, and polymers have provoked this epiphany

[glad dune]

that’s fair!

and then there’s uwita which I thought was a neat idea but ultimately haven’t had the same level of connections I’ve experienced with kepa which I think makes it Just Okay

[lucid aspen]

i have no idea what a serrious nimisin entails but i've made three; two of which just being variants of different words (one on accident and the other on purpose). and the third one is the one that's fucking ass

[glad dune]

lmao

serious nimisin I would imagine just means one not made jokingly

since tokiponists love making jokes

[lucid aspen]

true... but then all 3 of them are serious nimisin and i'll die before giving k**a any sort of recognition

i think my seriousest nimi sin is probably ote

[glad dune]

giving kepa any sort of recognition /j

[lucid aspen]

kela........

[glad dune]

scary

this reminds me of my irrational enjoyment of ete

[lucid aspen]

jupi is a close second but i accidentally stole it from like. any other 5 billion people that had already coined a jupi

[glad dune]

yeah jupi is a mass hallucination

viva castellano

[lucid aspen]

now i would say "i should recoin my jupi so it doesn't get confused with any of the other ones" but i really do not care that much

[glad dune]

I don’t think I’ve shared pete here because I’ve felt like it’s too insipid but then again I posted uwita here and I feel similarly about it now so maybe I should

[lucid aspen]

what's that one

[glad dune]

pete is a nimi kolisin that refers to being full at its core, so it’s an adjective-first word
as a metaphorical extension of physical fullness, it also has sufficiency as part of its semantic space
it has verbal derivations such as “to fill out/to capacity” and noun derivations such as “congestion” or “traffic (like the stop-and-go kind on a highway, not talking about quantity of moving entities)”

I find myself having fun trying to think of semantic reifications of it in English terms whenever I get around to thinking about it

since there’s a lot of English terms it could cover

even now I was thinking of it for conveying the completion of atelic actions

(actions that don’t really have a simple true/false about its end, like “Alice walked around aimlessly” but not “Bob built a house”)

(or maybe more helpfully is the distinction between the perfect and imperfect, like “wrote” vs. “was writing” respectively)

but anyways yeah that’s pete

my little orb to ponder

[lucid aspen]

i see

[glad dune]

me when I consider sharing pete with the world fr
just a simple “I see”

[lucid aspen]

i had to think abt it 😭

[glad dune]

yeah as do I, it’s fun to think about

[void tulip]

everybody is making "good" nimisins that would fail

when i get bored, i do this for fun and see what are your opinions

[onyx torrent]

oh i thought that was #1191277884917174292

[void tulip]

never knew about this tomo

[onyx torrent]

it’s not very active

[void tulip]

we should make one that people rates nimisins from others

[warm wasp]

what is that

[warm wasp]

mi la this is still just bad nimisin/okay nimisin territory of musi-ing
I just haven't been seeing interesting ones here much anymore

[warm wasp]

the verb part I've used "ale e" to do that before (I don't think it works tho)

[glad dune]

interesting!

#1191277884917174292 is like the more humble version of serious nimisin proposals

like you know it’s not going to rock the world

[warm wasp]

pete for me is straddling between X li lon ale pi Y and pini
so it's not completely inside one single nimi, but still...

[glad dune]

yeah it’s pini core

it’s like insa pini or pini insa

also now realizing pete would make a neat antonym to selo as like hollow

although typically I would say sijelo for this

“insa ona li sijelo ala sijelo”
“ala, ona li selo taso”

[onyx torrent]

sometimes i do kind of want feedback on a nimisin so i can level up to #1187029495203504168, pleading face emoji

[glad dune]

kijetesantakalu.com exists

[onyx torrent]

ah so it does

[glad dune]

I think y’all should try to add to it, it’s basically meant as a nimi sin gallery and it also has a upvote/downvote system and word categories

do note it’s toki pona taso

[lucid aspen]

old nimisin i made while i was learning that i posted on lipu Wesi and got clowned on for
which like. fair it fucking sucked

[glad dune]

broke: explaining a nimi sin in English
woke: realizing that if you can explain a nimi sin in toki pona then you should probably avoid it
bespoke: explaining a nimi sin in toki pona anyways

ohhh yeahhh I remember that post

I forgot what it meant

like balance or something? idk

[lucid aspen]

it was a comparative preposition

alu but worse

[glad dune]

ohhh yes

I remember now

than/que fr

[lucid aspen]

ya

[glad dune]

this reminds me of how ete is listed as “more than” on nimi ale pona and linku as though it was a preposition

[warm wasp]

there is a nimisin workshop right
(was that where kepa came from)

[lucid aspen]

honestly the fact that i had to stretch for examples for it when i was writing the post should've probably told me it wasn't that good but whatever :P

[warm wasp]

ooh now I like this

now I remember why in don't make nimisin, it's cause I like kon sin more

[glad dune]

a a a mi kin

[glad dune]

I put kepa there yeah but it didn’t originate publicly there

in fact the first debut of it was in this very thread

[round linden]

ote
-> discord user @calm falcon

still better than jan niwi

716bd9 ote

[lucid aspen]

fuck

[round linden]

<removed>

[lucid aspen]

why the fuck are there 7 of these

[dapper pawn]

lowkeylowkey yes

[dapper pawn]

hercules

[stuck spear]

soweli laso li jupi

[glad dune]

good to know i'm not irrational for duplicating the opening exclamation marks

¡¡yupi!!

[pearl laurel]

¡Hm! Maybe I'll try this out.

[dapper pawn]

tomo ni o kama #nimivirtue

[coral tangle]

i HAVEN'T

mi olin e nimi kamalawala

pilin mi la, nimi sin o kepeken e nasin pi nimi "kamalawala"

[lucid aspen]

tewe - to consider options, to "think about it" (aka. to reflect internally if you should do something); choice, thought; "gut" feeling

"jan Sumi o! sina wile ala wile tawa ma telo?" "nnn... mi tewe." - "do you wanna come to the beach?" "hmm, i'll think about it"
"mi tewe e tawa. wile a!" - "i've though about going. yes!"

"mi ike tewe" - i'm bad at decision-making

"a, tewe mi la o luka ala e ilo ni" - i don't think you should press that button

idk how serious this proposal actually is i just really want to loan tewel from tok pisin (i love the way that word sounds) but it overlaps with a lot of vocab already soo i thought of this (for a different conlang and then moved it here) (because i felt like it)

glyph proposal of ko (thought bubble) with a line through it (like lawa)

if i ever think about this word again i might make a different one idk if i fw it

[kindred pollen]

1. mi wile toki insa e ni.
2. mi pilin e ni: mi wile tawa.
3. ni li pona anu ike ? mi ken ala toki wawa e ona. ijo ale la mi sama.
4. pilin mi la o luka ala e nena ni.

[lucid aspen]

true

[kindred pollen]

What about creating a nimisin which covers the semantic spaces of reciprocation in verbs , vibration, oscillation, instability, and more

[lucid aspen]

jasima 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

or jule actually the examples you gave sound more like jule

[weak citrus]

jule

usage

sandbox (no book)

definition

indeterminate, inconclusive, tentative; unpredictable, unstable, volatile; to waver; to vibrate, to tremble, to wobble, to shake

see also

tawa, poka

⚠️ This proposed word is in the sandbox. It is not in use by the community.

[kindred pollen]

How to use jasima for reciprocation?

[hybrid shadow]

why not go even more pu and just use sama

eg. mi pilin sama

[kindred pollen]

what if there is a particle for marking a word or phrase as metaphor

[lucid aspen]

sama:

[meager mason]

erm akshually that makes words similies, not metaphors

[warm wasp]

if you have a word to indicate it's a metaphor then it's just a similie :p
sama toki pi jan Pisowe

[meager mason]

"like a message from jan Pisowe" what an incredible similie /j

[lucid aspen]

what even is a metaphor🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

[urban schooner]

Metaphor

• The use of a word or phrase to refer to something that it is not, invoking a direct similarity between the word or phrase used and the thing described (but in the case of English without the words like or as, since use of those words would imply a simile); the word or phrase used in this way; an implied comparison.
• The use of an everyday object or concept to represent an underlying facet of the computer and thus aid users in performing tasks.
  Example: Desktop metaphor; wastebasket metaphor.

Pronunciation

🔊/ˈmɛt.ə.fɔː(ɹ)/
🔊/ˈme.tə.fɚ/

Type

Noun

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[lucid aspen]

the word or phrase used in this way; an implied comparison.
so sama

[stuck spear]

metaphors are just similes, except instead of saying x is like y, you say x IS y

[onyx torrent]

sama would be an explicit comparison anu seme

[lucid aspen]

what is a metaphor if not a simile you think people will already get

[rough mantle]

ona li implied la jan li toki e ona kepeken nimi ni la ona li implied ala anu seme

[lucid aspen]

"tenpo li mani" is a metaphor, "tenpo li sama mani" is a simile
why mark the first one as a metaphor when it basically already is

[onyx torrent]

i am no language arts teacher so i might be totally off here

i think a simile is a comparison you don't think people will already get (so you have to use like/as/sama), and a metaphor is a comparison you do think people will already get (so you can just say "is")

so a metaphor isn't a type of simile because they're differentiated by this factor

i don't know why this is a meaningful distinction, that's just how i learned it

[lucid aspen]

yeah

but like you can already do this in toki pona

[onyx torrent]

yeah

[fast root]

ka - general onomatopoeia for sounds produced by objects / short, loud sounds; knock, clang, crush, crash, clap, dong, bang, pow, twang, zap, krakoom, budda budda budda
toki musi pi ka lupa “knock knock joke”
mu ka “roar/snarl/growl”
jan Okepuma li ka “Okepuma is banging”
note: kin is also used as an onomatopoeia in this context for sounds that are higher pitched; beep, ching, clink, ring, tick (i.e. kin ka for tick tock or clink clank)

[rough mantle]

muuuuuuuu

[fast root]

mu ijooooooooooo

ka ka. jan seme? jan I. jan I la seme? jan I am going to punch you

mu li kalama soweli aaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ka li kalama ijo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lucid aspen]

mu a

[round linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375591429608570881/785539232705675274/unknown.png
<#sona-musi message>

2e74d3 muchart

[lucid aspen]

i am mu chart fluid i just call anything mu if it has mu vibes

[fast root]

new gender. mufluid

tawa mi full rebel would be ka

[rough mantle]

(musi)
poki tu taso li lon
mu
ka

[lucid aspen]

toki pona secret animate vs inanimate distinction theory confirmed

[nova kite]

me when ka has 3+ definitions

ka - living being, life (from tuki tiki)
ka - future tense version of li (ni li ike a)
ka - like mu but for inanimate things

ka - Pingo (car)

[lucid aspen]

has anybody used that second ka at all i have never seen that apart from on the linku page

industry plant nimisin ||aka every nimisin||

[nova kite]

I don't even know who put it there but it frustrates me

[onyx torrent]

this implies there is a past tense li

[weak citrus]

ka

usage

sandbox (no book)

definition

(replacement for li, marked for future tense)

etymology

toki pona: kama; coming

see also

kama

⚠️ This proposed word is in the sandbox. It is not in use by the community.

[onyx torrent]

but pi is already taken

[rough mantle]

pin

[nova kite]

pini

[pseudo vessel]

i am pretty sure it's from somebody's tokiponido and got incorrectly added to Linku, there has been a discussion about this on the Linku server

[lucid aspen]

we (if you pretend there aren't two others)

we we weka kama we we ka kama weka

||jan poka li weka kama lon tenpo pini. kin la jan poka li kama weka lon tenpo kama||

[wooden lagoon]

"kusa"
v. "to please"
etymology: spanish reflexive "gusta" (to please, to like)
usage: "X li kusa e mi" / "mi kusa tan X" ("X pleases me" / "I am pleased because of X")
Can also be used as a polite form of o: compare "kusa la sina weka e jaki" ("would you please take out the trash") vs "o weka e jaki" ("take out the trash")

if anyone has any sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen suggestions lmk

[warm wasp]

sina ken toki e ni ale kepeken nimi "pona" taso anu seme
la nimi ni li pana ala e namako pona

[pearl laurel]

sina pona e mi - this can mean "you please me"? I thought it was usually "you improve me"

[warm wasp]

sina pona tawa (pilin) mi

[pearl laurel]

this is how I also would normally use the word pona to express this type of thing, but it doesn't answer my question directly

[warm wasp]

oh I didn't mean to just replace that with pona, there will need to be rewording
but I'm saying that the concept itself can be expressed in various uses of pona

[pearl laurel]

gotcha. I guess that distinction seemed sufficient to me in the context of nimisin candidates 😇

but I don't disagree with you otherwise

[solid moat]

this feels really niche, sorry

maybe i just don't understand it enough

would tewe be like,,, what tells a sea turtle to go to the ocean

[lucid aspen]

hmmm yeah i'd say so

an instinct is tewe i'd say

[kindred pollen]

I have a nimisin in my mind.

[steep fiber]

kamuwi (if it didn't break phonotactic rules I'd prefer 'kamuji' as it's easier to pronounce)

kamuwi - god, spirit, something of spiritual/sentimatal value, esoteric, nostaglic, spiritual, attachment, memory, ghost

~word borrowd from ainu=itak and japanese

The uses I think it'd work well for:

ijo kamuwi ko - ritual/religious object (ko disambiguates that it's not just something you are attached too personally)

ma kamuwi mi - hometown/ home country/ ancestral homeland - emphacises emotional connection to the place

tomo kamuwi mi - family home / childhood home ~same effect

toki kamuwi - praying prayer

kulupu kamuwi - a religion religious organisation ex: mormonism could be kulupu kamuwi momonisin

sitilen ni tawa li pilin kamuyi oilin tawa mi.

something like ~ this movie is very important to me but in the sense of it being a formative moment, a pleasant memory

Could also be used to just name divine / mythical beings:

kamuwi otin ~ odin

ona li moli lon utala la jan pi kulupu kamuwi norisu li pilin e tawa ma kamuwi utala valukala.

Something like: the followers of the norse religion belived they would go to valhalla after/if they died in battle/war.

I guess in this case this alone would work to convey the meaning though: ona li moli lon utala la jan pi kulupu norisu li pilin e tawa ma utala valukala.

ni e tomo kamuyi la ona li kulupu lili

~this is a shrine so please be quiet.

the word has mostly overlap with I'd say ~oilin, jo and kon I'd say.

I'm split what the sitelen pona for this could be. Religious symbols don't really work as you can't just combine them all. Maybe with the hand symbol to symbolise the attachment?

[steep fiber]

so:

ka ka ka

would be a proper sentence: the car will make car noises

[rocky hearth]

why reinvent sewi?

[warm wasp]

doesn't give exclusively sewi vibes to me

maybe... nowi?

[steep fiber]

sewi works like that? 🤔

thought it was closest to kon if anything

[warm wasp]

the centre of it seems to be an long lasting emotion connection (that's not romantic)

[rocky hearth]

kon and sewi

[warm wasp]

cool semantic space suited for a nimi in a tokiponido, but covers too much of the centres of core words to be useful

[fast root]

a - interjection separate from a to display exasperation, horror, tire; a more guttural, throaty a; agh! argh! aah!
notes: distinction between a and a only found in pronunciation and sitelen pona, will most likely be nonstandard
from Japanese あ゛

this miight be a bad nimisin

[nova kite]

the sitelen pona is nice :3

might use it

[pseudo vessel]

not a bad nimisin, more like a variant sitelen and pronunciation of a

which by definition has many pronunciations being a simple exclamation

[steep fiber]

got an idea.

akulu - derived from 'agglutinate' a lingusitics term - sitelen pona would be 'ko' between two lines.

it overlaps in meaning a bit with 'ko'

akulu - to be sticky, glue, combine, attach, fuse, to be clingy

could also potentially be used indicate words being combined via 'pi akulu nimi' in that case the previous phrase is not i symbol modifying the other but being combined/ merged or averaged out.

so kiwen telo would be something like wet rock, but kiwen telo pi akulu nimi would be 'slurry' or something inbetween a solid and liquid.

[lucid aspen]

what's the nimi there for

nevermind i can't read

isn't a "slurry" already ko

[steep fiber]

yeah there could be a better example. But basically the idea is that usually modifiers modify the base word without changing it vs here the modifiers and base word all are treated equally and merged

[lucid aspen]

well i mean you can. already do that

"ijo kiwen telo" has kiwen and telo at the same level (both modifers)

[kindred pollen]

unalu

Derived from Malayalam ഊഞ്ഞാൽ (oonjaal), meaning "swing."

Core Meanings:

Back-and-forth movement (like swinging on a swing)

Vibration, trembling, or pulsation (as in a vibrating object)

Oscillation (repetitive motion in both directions)

Extended Meanings:

Instability (a state of being unsteady)

Uncertainty (sona unalu – uncertain knowledge, doubt)

Pulsation (pilin unalu – a beating heart)

Breaking or faltering (kalama ona li kama unalu – a voice that wavers)

Flickering (suno li unalu – a light that comes and goes)

While existing nimisins cover some of these meanings, unalu offers a more cohesive and versatile way to express them. Its phonetic structure, starting with 'u', also gives it a distinctive place in Toki Pona.

[onyx torrent]

ni li jule anu seme

[weak citrus]

jule

usage

sandbox (no book)

definition

indeterminate, inconclusive, tentative; unpredictable, unstable, volatile; to waver; to vibrate, to tremble, to wobble, to shake

see also

tawa, poka

⚠️ This proposed word is in the sandbox. It is not in use by the community.

[nova kite]

this can be covered with ko and taki :P

[rough mantle]

nimi “taki” kin li ken weka

[kindred pollen]

The core meaning of unalu is a movement like that of a swing.

appear and disappear

Returning to the previous position

In echo there is an unalu

So unalu is more powerful than jule.

It is also useful to say reciprocal actions

toki li unalu lon insa pi ona tu ( like a swing ).
lukin li unalu lon mi tu.

tenpo unalu - season

[small nymph]

-complete positional base 10 number system-
-proposed by ijo Sepi-
0 - selon
1 - niki
2 - po
3 - sami
4 - kesi
5 - sinku
6 - liju
7 - siwen
8 - sekin
9 - jeson

hundred - asi
thousand - seni
million - imijo

example: 123,456,789 - niki po sami imijo kesi sink liju seni siwen asi sekin jeson

[lucid aspen]

selo 💀

[small nymph]

yeah i may have accidentally given selo a new meaning-
at least that means one less nimisin, i guess 😅
(this meaning would only come up numerically anyways-)

[lucid aspen]

sink 💀

you can't end a syllable with anything but a single n that k cannot be there

[small nymph]

😭 sorry, that was a typo

[onyx torrent]

…are you aiming to replace ala, wan, tu, and ale with this?

[lucid aspen]

me when ermmm slash peek bignumbers

[small nymph]

not aiming to replace, more as a supplementary system

[lucid aspen]

numberpilled beginnerjaks when nasin nanpa pona and the bignumbers note on kose kata

[small nymph]

...okay so this isn't meant as a "counting" system per se, it's more of an "arithmetic" system for calculations
hence the positional base 10 aspect, as it's the most common in modern mathematics.

personally using this system, i would cap my own usage to 99, but i included words for separating some powers of 10 for people who may use them.

for counting, nasin nanpa pona would be preferred.

this is just a system for being able to read the hindu-arabic numerals pretty much

[woven canopy]

I think representing numbers with their prime factorization has potential but we lack good addition algorithms

[warm wasp]

if you're doing calculations then youd only need the digits in the process anyway

[lucid aspen]

tokiponido toki nanpa which is jan misali's base numbering system but without the base aspect it's just the numbers

ala wan tu nena leko luka akesi kulupu kala soweli (0-9) + sewi (11) pan (13) ilo (16) and ike (17) and i guess maybe others

ale for 100

mute for 20 just so all the nnp's are present

15 is "in nena luka" (with in to denote a numerical meaning rather than a regular one. works like nanpa)

[lucid aspen]

okay wait better idea for 11: noka (in base-20 systems you start counting with your toes at 11)

ok i'll move this out of good nimisin

[solid moat]

🚨 notuwan - to place, to set down, to put, to fall due to gravity, to cascade, to settle

from Igbo nọdụ ala 'sit, stay'

[meager mason]

can "nasin notuwan" be prograde

or downwards for that matter

maybe poka notuwan

and nasin notuwan is gravitational trajectory

[solid moat]

i don't know what that is :(

[meager mason]

in orbital mechanics, prograde is the direction facing the path of the orbit

as opposed to retrograde which is the opposite

[solid moat]

oh got it

this is a more logical and simple definition, if i drop a ball, it falls... but no one dropped the moon

so i doubt it

[meager mason]

but the moon is falling* regardless

if I was born going towards the ground, first I would die, second I would still be falling

[solid moat]

it is but not how most people picture falling
notuwan also has a stopping connotation, as if it will stop falling at some point

[meager mason]

oh so the economy isn't notuwan'ing

[solid moat]

unless it hits rock bottom... it drops so low that there's no point to measure its drop anymore so practically it is notuwan-ing

[solid moat]

isn't this just... taki?

[meager mason]

yea my thoughts

[lucid aspen]

i didn't realize the 😕 was your ilo penpo react until 5 messages in and i thought someone was just very dilligently hating

[lucid aspen]

anyways i don't know the relative usefulness of this word but it lets me talk about my "supa" definition in toki pona taso so that's cool (i could probably already do that but i'm lazy and this helps)

supa li jo e ijo kepeken notuwan. supa o poki ala a e ijo

[fierce vigil]

tala - if and only if, “iff”. indicates that the following sentence is true if and only if the context sentence is true (and vice versa). glyph is a combination of taso and la (taso but the vertical line is curved to the right)

[solid moat]

toki pawole has this too so i support this word

i'll put it at #3 behind notuwan and kusa

[warm wasp]

tan ni taso la

[mighty horizon]

seme li toki Pawole

[rough mantle]

lon Nanpa li toki Pawole

ona li pali e toki ni

[mighty horizon]

lon Nanpa li jan?

[rough mantle]

jan ni

[mighty horizon]

toki pona li toki mama pi toki Pawole aAANUSEMEmailMahjong

[rough mantle]

ni

toki Pawole la nimi ona li “Toki Pawole”

[mighty horizon]

sitelen suli a

[rough mantle]

jan li toki Pawole la jan pi toki pona li lukin e toki ona la jan pi toki pona li ken pilin e ni: toki ona li toki pona li jo e nimi nasa mute

[mighty horizon]

sama "dialect" anu seme

[solid moat]

nimi nasa mute EN lawa pi kepeken pona
||lawa in this sense meaning "rules, grammar"||

[solid moat]

lon toki pona la toki Toki Pawole li "toki Toki Pawole"

lon toki Inli la toki Toki Pawole li "Toki Pawole"

lon toki Toki Pawole la toki Toki Pawole li "toki pawole"

[rough mantle]

mi toki e ona kepeken toki pona la mi toki e “toki Pawole”
nimi “toki” li tu la nasa a :p

mi ni e toki Pisin kin

[solid moat]

||good point||

[lucid aspen]

toki Ale /

[mighty horizon]

toki pona la Toki Pawole li toki Pawole anu toki Pajole

[lucid aspen]

toki Pawale

[solid moat]

||it depends on the speaker, i've heard Pale and Pakole||

[lucid aspen]

toki Pa Ole

[mighty horizon]

toki Pole

[rough mantle]

Ko??? nasa

[solid moat]

||w is velar and labial so they just dropped the labial part||

[solid moat]

o lon

[steep fiber]

sije(n) - to live, be alive, lifeform, organism, organic (ex context of chemistry), to come to life/revive/birth

Origin: Polish from the word "żyję" - I live

It'd have a similar role to how the word kule is used for colors. I thought of it mostly thinking of how I'd describe a fantasy slime.

It'd be ko [lifeform], all the animal/ plant names are very specific though.

It also Sean's the only way to say someone is alive is to say that they're not dead.

[lucid aspen]

sije lon...

anyways

[rough mantle]

existence??? lon???

[lucid aspen]

hmm sina lon it should probably say automomy

i wanted to say life nimisin but that wasn't wordy enough to be funny

[rough mantle]

organism

[lucid aspen]

fire

[solid moat]

lmfao

i thought we solved this with aja

[pseudo vessel]

-lo - nominalizing suffix /j

sijelo

[golden wagon]

ka???

[rough mantle]

sona mi la nimi "aja" li lon toki Kokanu taso

[solid moat]

toki pawole has something similar, the bracket i

it's what you use when you want to add multiple modifiers but you don't want them to overlap with each other

jan pi pona suwi ipi (i pi) wolin musi

[limber obsidian]

somebody is still reading my message after 8 months
I'm so happy

[hybrid shadow]

lesijo

--> Greek πλαίσιο plaísio, "frame"

n.) bone, frame, skeleton, structure, scaffold, the part that gives the whole structure

v.) support, hoist

lesijo is the part of an object or an idea that gives it support or structure. the human skeletal system is lesijo. the strings on a puppet are lesijo. a picture frame provides lesijo for the picture itself. the logic of an argument can be lesijo, too, given you provide the context. things that are physically supported are likely better off being described in some other way.

possible synonyms: noka, sijelo, selo

example: sina pini wawa e lupa la lesijo lupa li pakala a
(You slammed the door shut, and now the door frame is broken!)

sitelen pona: compare Blissymbol "bone"

side note: unintentional anagram of sijelo (lol)

okay thank you ive never done this before

[waxen mountain]

I think lesijo should be supa's main meaning

And table/chair just as an implication of that

[obsidian jackal]

jasi - some, more than a few but not a lot
(Cantonese: 有啲 [jau5 di1] - some, 有時 [jau5 si4] - sometimes)

possible alternatives:

• (pi) mute meso
• (pi) ale ala
• lack of quantifying adjective

examples:

jan jasi li sona ala e ni: lon la, seme li pona tawa ma ona?
Some people do not know what is actually good for their country.
tenpo jasi la, ilo li pakala.
Sometimes, the computer crashes.
o pana e namako jasi lon moku.
Put some more salt on the food.

[meager mason]

pi ale ala

also tenpo jasi seems like a calque imo

[obsidian jackal]

I see a difference between "Not all people are evil" and "Some people are evil"

[obsidian jackal]

kinda is, but works surprisingly well. Could also just be shorten to "jasi la"

[wispy vortex]

i would just use ken for the second

"jan li ken ike"

for your first example, i see no important semantic difference with "mute" instead of "jasi"
for the second example, i'd just use "tenpo la"
for the third example, i see no important semantic difference with "lili" or no quantifying adjective instead of "jasi"

what would 'jasi' mean as a noun?

"mute" as a noun refers to "quantity" which is unmarked for the actual amount

[waxen mountain]

mi la some = not none but possibly all
pi ale ala = not all and possibly none

[dapper pawn]

we can steal

[forest anvil]

meta for "about".

lipu ni li meta e soweli lili.

idkkkk we could say another ways to say "about" but literally i cant see anything missing in toki pona in this perspective 😭🙏 its so well designed

[warm wasp]

toki e :P

[rough mantle]

namako ala o lon toki pona la sina alasa pana e ijo tan semeeeee

[lucid aspen]

close enough welcome back waleja

i think this but preposition would be good

[wispy vortex]

lon

anu seme

[lucid aspen]

lipu ni li meta soweli

tomo ni li meta kalama ilo (this house is about tool sounds)

[wispy vortex]

a

[lucid aspen]

mi la ni li ken musi

[wispy vortex]

when would you use this as not just a predicative preposition

[weak citrus]

waleja

usage

sandbox (ku lili)

definition

context, topic, salience, pertinent, topical, pertain to, be relevant

see also

tenpo

⚠️ This proposed word is in the sandbox. It is not in use by the community.

[lucid aspen]

i liked waleja for like a week and tried using it and it sucked ass

like a year ago

[lucid aspen]

sitelen ni li meta musi pi sike loje (this episode is about basketball) (bfb title)

[obsidian jackal]

kemi - generally relating to chemicals and purity

• n. - pure substance; substance derived from chemical processes; chemical process or synthesis
• mod. - relating to chemistry; chemical, artificial (of a flavour); pure, without impurity
• v. - to react (chemically), to undergo a chemical process
• vtr. - to treat with (a chemical), to apply a chemical process to (a substance), to refine, purify

etymology: German Chemie and similar words across European languages

examples:

mi weka e jaki tan len mi kepeken kemi wawa.
I use strong chemicals to clean my clothes.
ni li telo pi kemi mute.
This is deionized water.
OR
This is a strong chemical solution.
kiwen pi seli jelo li kemi utala lon telo.
Sodium reacts violently with water.
wawa sewi li kemi e kiwen jelo tan telo ni.
Electricity refines gold out of the solution.

[obsidian jackal]

examples not related to chemistry:

ona li wile pona kemi.
They desire pure happiness.
sike luka sina li kiwen kemi ala kemi?
Is your ring pure gold?
linja mi pi moku soweli li kepeken moku soweli kemi pi ma Juwese.
Our sausages are made from pure, 100%, American beef.

[dapper pawn]

taso and seli:

[solid moat]

why chemistry AND purity. personally i think more chemicals in something makes it less pure

[obsidian jackal]

chemistry often deals with pure substances, because if you have impurities, you might have side reactions you don't want. chemical techniques are often used to refine or purify chemicals.

think about it as "chemical-grade"

[steep fiber]

It feels somehow both to broad in its meaning and too narrow at the same time

I'm thinking how to express purify.

I'd probably say "weka ali taso wan" remove everything except o e thing

Or maybe "alasa wan" obtain 1 thing a singular thing

I'd say what I really miss as a chemist is an expression for something being sour or acidic

[warm wasp]

mi taso e ijo ni
mi weka e ijo ante

[obsidian jackal]

tewilo - crystal, mineral, glass; clear, transparent; (by extension, for food) salty

• technically a hyponym of kiwen, though tewilo kiwen could be used to refer to a hard mineral such as diamond.
• sense of "salty" is intended to disambiguate better than "kiwen", which could otherwise mean "crunchy" or "hard" in food contexts, as transparent food is less common then crunchy food.

etymology: Nahuatl tehuilotl - crystal, glass

examples:

jan li lupa li kama jo e tewilo mani lon ni.
People mine gemstones here.
mi lukin e weka pi lupa tewilo la, ale li pimeja taso.
When I looked out the window, everything was dark.
tomo sewi ni li jo e sitelen tewilo pi kule mute!
This church has a lot of stained glass art!
esun Matona la, palisa kili li tewilo pi mute ike a.
The fries at McDonalds are waaaay too salty.

[onyx torrent]

ni li sama nimi nele

[round linden]

nele - ~post-ku~ - n: transparent material/object, lack of privacy - adj: clear, transparent, unobstructed - v: to make clear, to make transparent, to remove obstructions (antonym of certain meanings of len)
← inversion of toki pona len

nele is meant to be an antonym to a certain range of meanings covered by len, which includes concepts related to both literal and figurative opacity or privacy:
mi len e lupa = I cover the window.
sona len = secret (lit. 'covered knowledge')

nele is the opposite in this sense, indicating transparency, clarity, and/or a lack of obstructions both literally and figuratively in ways that would be overly ambiguous or cumbersome to do with existing nimi:
kiwen nele = glass/similar materials (lit. 'clear hard-solid')
o toki nele! = Speak clearly!
sona nele = an obvious fact (among other valid interpretations)
lukin la telo ni li nele. = This water looks clear/clean.

Because nele indicates that something is devoid of obstructions, it may be used to indicate cleanness in certain contexts:
o nele e lupa. = Clean the window. (in a context in which the window mentioned is obstructed by filth. In another context, this could be a command to pull back a curtain.)

If you like this word, go ahead and play around with it! Try to use it in conversations and written works! Try to find intuitive new uses for it!

This word was created by @hot elm on 9 August, 2021. Any orthographic or semantic resemblance to other nimi sin is purely coincidental.

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[obsidian jackal]

sama mute, taso ante lili a

len li ken lipu pi linja mute mute

nele li jo ala e kon pi ijo lon

[onyx torrent]

sona a

[warm wasp]

welcome back matu

ok not exactly that but it gives me those vibes

[dapper pawn]

vermicelli:

soup:

[obsidian jackal]

there are more foods that are hard, crunchy, or crispy than there are transparent food

[urban eagle]

luwi- Any kind of pattern, from a matrix to the rules of a game. A set of rules that defines a phenomenon or a thing which someone could refer to.

luwi, which I pretty much use personally, involves the result of the action of those rules instead of the rules themselves:

luwi sitelen could involve orthography, more than orthographic rules, and so on

The word luwi itself is just a redefinition and constraption of the nimisin linluwi, which was far too specific and long - at least in my humble opinion -

Now , some examples for the aplication of luwi:

mi alasa e sona kepeken luwi: I search knowledge looking at amanual / The internet

linja lawa sina o luwi, ona o luwi e tomo ona: You should comb your hair, He/She/it should tidy his house

kalama luwi li ken ala ken sama musi:

Could a patterned sound be considered music?

This nimisin is a delicate and sutil word. Maybe it seems hard to get at first,But I feel like I have gotten used to it in quite a little time

This whole Idea for nimisin started because I wanted to describe the "knot" concept when I was still a jan sin lon toki pona, and I couldn't think of a way of expressing what a knot is nor how a knot feels. This so profound feelings came to me when I was learning to make knots intensively at that time.

maybe a constructure involving linja, such as linja lanpan could have been ok, but I think that expressing this through linja luwi or maybe just luwi could have been better.

To end up with, I'd like to say that I don't know if this nimisin fits here because it could be considered as something too specific- but it took me some work and many thogts to bring it up together.

What is your opinion about it?

[warm wasp]

welcome back kepa

actually this is even more similar to nasin (or maybe lawa)

[urban eagle]

I feel like nobody understands nor uses kepa

linluwi had similar motions, so yes, I pretty much ignored kepa 😅

well, linluwi has like 38% but still, people are used to it at least

[rough mantle]

lon
ken la jan pi mute lili li lukin e ona la ona li sona, taso lukin mi la ala li kepeken ona

[urban eagle]

sina kepeken ala kepeken e nimisin, sike Kapo o

[rough mantle]

jan mute ala li kepeken nimi la mi kepeken ala nimi ni
(taso “nja” li musi >:3)

[urban eagle]

mi wile sona e ni: sina kepeken e toki nja tan toki pi soweli taso

anu seme

[rough mantle]

mi kepeken nimi “nja” sama ni taso a:
“nja :3”

[urban eagle]

toki uta ala toki uta

sama mu

[rough mantle]

toki mi li sama ala ni:
“mi lukin e soweli nja lon poka pi tomo mi”

mu a

mu taso

[urban eagle]

sona a

[dapper pawn]

rice paper

[warm wasp]

yea but does it matter if we're talking about creation of more nimisin :]
just found it musi how old ideas reappear

[meager mason]

personally I find it weird that you compare it to linluwi, when it's initial definition already seems two steps removed from linluwi

[glossy ruin]

ten - from toki Nijon - dot or small mark

[glossy ruin]

primarily to differentiate from "sike lili" or other ways people have tried to say "dot"

[obsidian jackal]

extending usage: dot, small marking; drop, little bit, minuscule quantity (analogous to use of ale for enormous quantities)

[thin axle]

kajun - to retreat, to retract, to undo, to reverse an action, retreat, undoing, reverse (by extension) to repair
-# Derived from Tagalog 'kayungkong' which means to curl up due to pain or coldness, or a fetal position

EXAMPLES:

mi o kajun e toki pi jan Son
We must retract John's statement.

kajun li ike
Retreat is bad!

sina li ken ala kajun e ike sina!
You can't fix your mistakes!

sina kajun e pona tan jan majuna.
You undid the work of the elders.

[lament seal]

I like this!

[lament seal]

This too!

[glossy ruin]

This seems good to me!

[solid moat]

it's a little clunky

can you shorten it

[thin axle]

I mean this started off as an joke to find a way to include jun as a syllable cuz it is the least used but imma try

[thin axle]

what about kajun?

[solid moat]

sure

it's a good word

but what about jasima

wouldn't that overlap a ton

[thin axle]

I thought jasima meant like to duplicate or to copy

[solid moat]

it means to reflect or to flip

or mirror

or reverse

[thin axle]

I think by reverse it just means like the opposite

since all of it's ku and common meanings often include duplication or reflection

like "the reverse side of the card"

[wispy vortex]

i'm confused as to how significant of a difference replacing "kajun" with "weka" here would make

mi o weka e toki pi jan Son - "we should remove john's statement." removing implies it was already there before, so this pragmatically gives the same information.
weka li ike - "going away is bad"
sina ken ala weka e ike sina - "you can't remove your mistakes." in this situation, even "pona" would be fine.
sina weka e pona tan jan majuna - "you removed the work from the elders." same as #1, where removing implies it was already there before

"o weka e ante ni" - remove this change = undo this change.

"o weka e pakala ilo" - repair the tool

it doesn't seem like a very useful semantic space to me

[thin axle]

Yeah, I just wanted to try making a nimisin with jun but thx for the advice.

[glossy ruin]

additionally I think saying something like "sona ten pona ten la" when toki uta would be easier and clearer than any alternative.

[rough mantle]

sona ten pona ten li seme

a! sona

sona.pona.la

[glossy ruin]

yea yea

[solid moat]

kela - game, test, contest, from Bengali খেলা khela 'game, contest'

It's like utala, but the outcome is less serious. The line between kela and utala is kinda fuzzy. Proffesional soccer is kela, because there's a recreational game attached to it, and preaccepted rules you have to follow. A barfight is utala, because it has neither of those things. Also it's more serious.

[lucid aspen]

kela tan ma wile...

[mighty horizon]

utala musi

[rustic lagoon]

seta - The state of being latent, dormant, having potential, poised, or charged; ready but not yet active; holding stored energy or future development.
seta refers to the unrealized capacity or imminence within something.

For instance:

• kasi li seta would mean a plant is dormant, holding life but not yet sprouting.
• ilo wawa li seta Could be like a battery that is charged but just existing.
  It can describe physical states:
• Like a coiled spring (ijo linja sike li seta)
• A quiet volcano (nena seli li seta)
  Abstract states:
• Pent-up emotions (pilin mi li seta).
• One could speak of wawa seta (latent/potential energy) or tenpo seta (some kind of a moment of poised feeling idk).

The word seta is more like a state of readiness or stored potential. Rather than kama, or ken. It's not possibility, and it's not yet coming.

I didn't take this from another language, just thought it sounded nice.

[thin axle]

setup

[rustic lagoon]

AHHHHHHHHH

[thin axle]

this is nice

[rustic lagoon]

It’s my first lol, I couldn’t think of how to say that kinda thing. So I did what any jan sin would do and made a word just for me.

[lucid aspen]

lllllllape :3

[warm wasp]

wawa/ken (insa) li lon ijo

[rustic lagoon]

Kinda lol

[obsidian jackal]

would use something like wawa poki or wawa insa to convey the idea of "potential".

[rustic lagoon]

wawa insa is a nice way to think of it

[wispy vortex]

i feel like the outcome of an utala being serious isn’t really… a part of its semantic space?

like jan tepo describes pali ona as an utala lon ilo

it feels like this makes utala more restrictive and takes away from its semantic space

[urban eagle]

This nimisin is lovely! It brings so much richness to the act of thinking!

I have fallen in love with seta

seta seta seta

[warm wasp]

this is very late but imma say that this is the one of the few nimisin sin that I feel I could get on board with
ie this is nice

[warm wasp]

I don't hate this either, tho this is not the first time someone wile it's existence

idk if I'm just old and have seen too many nimisin, but I've not found most nimisin sin interesting for quite a while

-# pretty sure I've even said this before lol

[olive summit]

mi la nimi leko o sama ni kin

[solid moat]

anticipation?

[urban eagle]

nimisin ona li pona; she is refering to something which has an anticipation

not anticipation itself (I think)

[urban eagle]

like most probable inminent change

@rustic lagoon o, ni li pona ala pona

[mighty horizon]

o noka tawa ona

[rustic lagoon]

Maybe it’s how some people read it? Like cause musi is a game, but it’s a competition…. A fun competition. Not a serious one.

[rustic lagoon]

Yea, like that

[lament seal]

mi la, nimi seta en nimi lesijo en nimi ten li pona.

[rustic lagoon]

lesijo -> pona
seta -> pona (but there are alternatives)
ten -> nnn pona, but it's so narrow

[lament seal]

@rustic lagoon
I think it could also be used for diacritics, commas, and stuff like that too.

[lament seal]

Extending this too: minor action; to add/remove a small mark; doing something minor; to add/remove by a small amount.

[lament seal]

Is it narrow now?

[glossy ruin]

I also think it's good (definitely totally unbiased)

[forest anvil]

nimi: an
tan toki seme? (origin): turkish adjective verb constructive suffix that can be used as relative clause
ona li pona tan seme?: we can't actually use relative clauses. How much we really need it may vary from person to person depends om who you ask, but instead of defining new things that we can define, i wanted to create "useful-in-some-ways" grouper.
mi wile ala e nimi ni: You may not need, but instead of making more long and complex sentences to express a sentence that you can simply express within a rekative clause, this might be useful.

It is completely open to criticism. Don't feel hesitant to share your opinions.

[lucid aspen]

ki

ki is a word that already exists

[forest anvil]

I didnt hear about it

[lucid aspen]

also i get absolutely nothing about how this works from the image tbh

where is the an going

[forest anvil]

huh?

[forest anvil]

After the relative clause ofc

[lucid aspen]

what part is the relative clause. and what is it relating to

[urban eagle]

jan li epiku tawa mi-an ike tawa mi?

[forest anvil]

People who are very good to me IS bad to you.

[forest anvil]

epiku ❌
pona mute ✅

[urban eagle]

aaa, pona a

That would sort of displace the use of "li" to something similar to "which" or "that", right? -an would become the new "li", separating the subject from the predicate in complex sentences

it is like an auxiliar li, because if you repeat "li" in toki pona that means "and", right

I find your nimisin interesting, although I would personally split the whole phrase into two sentences

[lucid aspen]

it feels like it should be the other way around

toki pona is almost never head final

and this immediately makes li not mark the predicate anymore once there's an

[waxen mountain]

I think position and earth are different enough to have different words

[lucid aspen]

what is earth if not just the thing you're positioned on all the time

[warm wasp]

your position is just whatever is beside you

[obsidian jackal]

okusa - homosexual in general, (by extension) sexually queer
etymology: toki pona - olin pi kule sama (same-gender love)

in effect a single nimisin to replace "mijomi" and "melome", derived in a similar way

examples:

ale okusa tonsi
the LGBTQIA+ community
okusa ona li kama len ala
They came out of the closet (lit. Their queerness became unhidden)

[warm wasp]

olin nasa

[glossy ruin]

Y olin kule Y?

[lament seal]

lon mi

[woven canopy]

pe - (generic headnoun for tokiponized names)

Thus, instead of the pu-style e.g. "nimi mi li Ale" that breaks the "headnoun required before name" rule we can have "nimi mi li pe Ale" (as an alternative to "nimi mi li akesi Ale" that makes it very clear Ale is a name)

se - (generic headnoun or marker for non-tokiponized names)

This can be used like pe, e.g. "nimi mi li se Bob", or to mark non-tokiponized names in addition to a headnoun, like this: "ilo se Windows" instead of "ilo Windows"

[warm wasp]

seme la nimi tu o lon

kin la mi la sina ken ni kepeken kalama te (kalama to li ken lon pini) lon toki uta, toki sitelen la nimi sin li ken lon ala

[solid moat]

do these nimisin go anywhere

like both literally and figuratively, do they go in a database or ever catch on

[thin axle]

most likely if not very rarely

[warm wasp]

if you at least want it to have a slim chance if catching on, actually use it

[thin axle]

there are other words that could easily replace it

[lucid aspen]

nah lol

[lament seal]

I think this makes sense.

It already means lip, jaw, and mouth. So why not?

Does this even count as a nimi sin?

[rough mantle]

ala a

(pakala! mi mu sin anu seme!)

[lucid aspen]

it already means this lol

[lament seal]

not on linku.la

[obsidian jackal]

doesn't have to be, you know what it means when someone says "o uta e sike mi"

[mighty horizon]

bite my tennis ball

[warm wasp]

no dictionary can describe all use cases of any toki pona words anyways

[stuck spear]

have a lick of my scoop of ice cream!

[obsidian jackal]

(this is clearly a kulupu pi unpa ala)

[glossy ruin]

ujowisi - many people are using wuwojiti as a content word, so I think it would be beneficial to have a version that itself does not wuwojiti.

tbh I think of it more as an alternate pronunciation than an actual nimisin in its own right, like ale/ali

[pseudo vessel]

doesn't that ruin the purpose of wuwojiti by actually not being wuwojiti

[glossy ruin]

Personally I don't think it has to be wuwojiti to be able to mean wuwojiti.

[warm wasp]

wawajete exists already tho

[glossy ruin]

After all, people don't pronounce kokosila as krokodilas

[glossy ruin]

huh

I did not know this.

Which would you prefer to preserve: consonants or vowels?

[warm wasp]

depends
but i think your version overall sounds closer to wuwojiti

[glossy ruin]

I'm p sure that ti -> si is more common than ti -> te, so I carried that prioritisation of the vowel throughout.

[stuck spear]

doesnt wawajete mean "to look like you're breaking the rules but you're not actually" or something like that

[rough mantle]

ni

[warm wasp]

tbh who even coined that

[meager mason]

wawajete:

[meager mason]

oh

[dapper pawn]

i think i had an oc named wawa Jete but i'm not hone rn

may or may not be a dog

[mighty horizon]

what the dog doin

[rustic lagoon]

What about this: If there were one LETTER you would seriously add, or one change in pronunciation, what would it be?

[mighty horizon]

l -> n

[rustic lagoon]

nanpan

nini

[mighty horizon]

literally the only minimal pair is li/ni

[rustic lagoon]

pinin

[rough mantle]

naaaaanpaaan pan nanpan pan nanpan moku pan

[mighty horizon]

sike Kapo ni nukin ni tonsi

[rough mantle]

nanpan na mi pinin jan ni sona ana e tan

[mighty horizon]

sike Kapo o sina sitelen pona e nimi kepeken sitelen seme

[rough mantle]

seme

[mighty horizon]

nimi sina

sina sitelen pona e nimi sina kepeken sitelen seme

[rough mantle]

sina toki e anu seme

[rustic lagoon]

ni ni nini

[mighty horizon]

sina sitelen pona e nimi sina kepeken sitelen seme