linja lipamanka

[dense inlet]

okayyyyy

oh right

[vivid drum]

I wonder how hard it would be to add the bot functionality that's in #sona-kulupu-tpt to a thread

[rough drum]

wait I realized a bunch of these are ku lili so I kinda have to add them

[loud jetty]

you don't have to add everything in ku lili

[bronze wraith]

half musi

[rough drum]

I think I wanna

I think I wanna include all of linku

because then my font will get used as the linku font

otherwise it might not

[magic wolf]

i think linku should just remove every word not in this font cuz linjamanka is cooler than it :clueless:

no clueless emote here i'm sobbing

[agile barn]

no

[bronze wraith]

ku-less

[bronze wraith]

no?

[agile barn]

no

custom glyph for a reason

[rough drum]

what's the reason

it ends up looking pretty similar

[lapis loom]

this is the icon of that server btw

[dense inlet]

pft

[lapis loom]

true!

[rough drum]

||lupa-soweli||

[lapis loom]

also true!

[rough drum]

okay I've decided I'm gonna do all of linku

:3

[loud jetty]

hype

[dense inlet]

epic

[lapis loom]

resisting the urge to put parauhuh rn

[loud jetty]

pawawa li seme

[lapis loom]

ill put tbhchicken instead

[rough drum]

here's my first list:

• linku glyph (because like why would I NOT)
• kiki
• kokosila alt
• linluwi (three alts)
• majuna (both alts)
• powe

linku glyph DONE

[lapis loom]

omg so creature

[vestal vault]

lol, the autsim eye

[lapis loom]

i want to pet it

[rough drum]

okay linku glyph is gonna be a bit SMALL

that's OKAY

[vestal vault]

oh yeah, it does looks like a creature

[dense inlet]

geometry dash

[feral wind]

default geometry dash robot
moment

OMG YES

[dense inlet]

SAME BRAIN

[feral wind]

lawa sama a

[rough drum]

@real bough hwo's this

I made a mistake

but

I liked it

kokosila alt done too

[loud jetty]

this is pretty but might cause people to think that kiki is supposed to be kind of twisted

[dense inlet]

which will lead to people fixating on getting the twists right when they handwrite it

[real bough]

that's my only real concern yeah

[lapis loom]

actually many fonts do include both versions of g and a and the like-

[loud jetty]

star kokosila is a glyph that i think would be neat to omit on purpose
is it historically important or something

[dense inlet]

i want to type stars in my font

[real bough]

a little squishiness on the curves is fine but the glyph shouldn't have intentional-seeming chirality

[native trench]

oooo i just remembered an alt i like
yupekosi as toki, upside-down and with the circle filled in

[rough drum]

nice

[cinder wyvern]

oh yeah

[loud jetty]

that's a fine kiki

[rough drum]

bc u need to get a new writing implement to write it

[cinder wyvern]

no font has that

[rough drum]

lol

[real bough]

this is great

[loud jetty]

fine like fancy connotation

[rough drum]

omg

[vestal vault]

there's this kiki alt that Iseja made. I quite like like it

[rough drum]

ur too kind

[vestal vault]

I may request this

[rough drum]

hmmmm

hey @real bough

hi

what do you think

[feral wind]

leko but triangle
nice

[rough drum]

I'm like okay with it I'm not in love with it (but I am in love with Iseja which is making me wnat to add it)

[loud jetty]

i've seen this alt in use
by people who aren't aware of curved triangle kiki

which is both a point for and a point against it

[cinder wyvern]

I keep confusing it for leko

[feral wind]

i also remember that one which was just the shape of the actual Kiki from the Bouba vs. Kiki experiment

[dense inlet]

that alt is what i assumed the glyph for kiki would be when i didnt know sp for nimisin

[feral wind]

it was kinda weird ngl

[rough drum]

linku has this which I kinda like? what about this alt

[native trench]

isnt this not an alt

[feral wind]

yeah that's the one i was talking avout

[loud jetty]

i don't think Iseja was the first person to come up with leko-style kiki, fwiw

[lapis loom]

its too triangle tho it feels like a kule

[feral wind]

yeah i think it was the original

[vestal vault]

ah, fair point

[rough drum]

the one by the name's coiner is the default, so that one is an alt

[native trench]

ah

[rough drum]

even though it's the only one implemented in fonts

which is ANNOYING

[vivid drum]

I'm going to learn about fonts before I say anything else about fonts here lol

[rough drum]

nobody besides me and jan Sa checked with the creators of words

[loud jetty]

it's in my font but my font isn't out yet

[rough drum]

your font is BAD

just kidding

[loud jetty]

😭

[rough drum]

I love ur font it's adorable

[loud jetty]

<3

[rough drum]

🙂

❤️

[vestal vault]

I love the idea of animating it while typing, it's quite unique

[lapis loom]

i should add Linku to my font that could be neat

[real bough]

I don't super object to triangle leko kiki if someone wants to petition for it as an alt but I don't really vibe with it as much myself

doesn't feel dangerous enough

[lapis loom]

it's literally the symbol for a disabled vehicle

[real bough]

that's just a kiwen

[loud jetty]

suggestion: four legged akesi as default

[rough drum]

no

[unkempt trellis]

hmm what is this glyf? meli+mije?

[lapis loom]

google was not being helpful

[unkempt trellis]

no

[dense inlet]

the hazard lights

[lapis loom]

THank you

[vestal vault]

oh wow, I like that third kiki, it feels nicer than kiki from other fonts

[unkempt trellis]

what is kiki

[vestal vault]

sharp, triangular

[lapis loom]

💥 in real

[pearl portal]

i mean sometimes you do, i've seen several examples (e.g. Input but i swear non-code fonts do this too)
and personally i quite dislike it when an otherwise nice font lacks some feature (e.g. my current website font doesn't have straight quotes apparently?)

[misty lantern]

kiki

usage

uncommon (ku lili)

description

spiky, sharp, angle, point, triangular

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> some newses

1. I am streaming now
2. I am adding all of linku so if you requested a glyph that's part of linku it doesn't count towards your total anymore
3. there's now #1073380524439121971 where you can vote on shit

[scarlet geyser]

YESSS that 2nd kiki is exactly how i write it 😊

[real bough]

looks like wasoweli is in linku
do you need an official wasoweli sitelen reference?

[loud jetty]

i need an official wasoweli reference!!

i found an old one and i wasn't sure if it was current

[rough drum]

• isipin
• kapesi (two alts)
• misa (six alts?????)
• nimisin
• oke
• omekapo
• pake
• taki
• unu
• usawi
• wuwojiti
• yupekosi (two alts)

[steady cape]

linku is gonna be quite the challenge. i'd probably recommend only really working with the common nimisin, but as always, if you want your work to be all-encompassing, that's up to you. I would, however, probably recommend against all of linku pretty heavily, as it may be overwhelming to users to see obscure glyphs show up for a slight misspelling or in the middle of typing other words. (I also think that it is un-pona to add wuwojiti and yupekosi because of their very nature, but not too un-pona)

[shy forum]

i haven't done unicode ligature for my name glyph

[real bough]

so the proportions are a little wonky due to hastily drawing but the gist of it is

curved soweli forehead + beak, two legs

[shy forum]

alepu ZWJ telo ZWJ nanpa

[steady cape]

perry the wasoweli anu seme?

[vestal vault]

I don't think there's alepu, but there's aleph in unicode

[rough drum]

yeah just have it be aleph

[loud jetty]

kijitisintikili's glyph makes me feel a certain way
and its spelling makes me feel the same way

wawa

[shy forum]

g א ZWJ telo ZWJ nanpa

[loud jetty]

i like Iseja's alt monsuta more than regular monsuta tbh

[rough drum]

woah true

I'm not biased and I agree :3

[loud jetty]

i don't like that okepuma is just "jan majuna"

someone come up with a better one please

like this emoji would make a better okepuma glyph

😒

[rough drum]

it would.

[loud jetty]

okepuma

[cinder wyvern]

onaonaike

[loud jetty]

wuwojiti

[real bough]

okepuma as emissive oke

[loud jetty]

wuwojiti

[loud jetty]

ooh i like this

[dense inlet]

i just drew the same thing

[vestal vault]

this is what I imagined too

[native trench]

im thinking something representing each of the syllables arranged like

wu wo
ji ti```

the kalama pakala one is cool

[cinder wyvern]

From other fonts:
wawajete
wuwojiti

[loud jetty]

lawa sama a

[native trench]

spp moli

[cinder wyvern]

yep

[native trench]

this should be chosen as the glyph for spp erasure

“for” as in “chosen for” not “glyph for”

[cinder wyvern]

is alt monsuta LLN60?

asking because it's a submission

[loud jetty]

iirc filled in yupekosi is supposed to be centered on the circle

with the emitters sticking out weird

[magic wolf]

the worst option: wuwojiti in the style of a n kin and o

[native trench]

wuwojiti is you stab a hole in the paper

[loud jetty]

wuwojiti

wuwojiti

[cinder wyvern]

pakala, but wide

[real bough]

nimi with multiple pakala in it?

[cinder wyvern]

negative-image mu

[native trench]

idea

[loud jetty]

i love this

[cinder wyvern]

eh

[pearl portal]

disney lawsuit incoming

[native trench]

camera mysteriously blurry??

anyway, jiti

i would prefer if the t and j were together but getting i to look like a mouth is impossible i think

the lines here might be too parallel

anyway i think the idea is clear

[real bough]

yupekosi: "pona sin" but in 3D

[native trench]

omg

amazing

[loud jetty]

wawa

[vestal vault]

I love this

[loud jetty]

idk about the regular nja glyph tbh

[rough drum]

@cinder wyvern what if these were supported

I would use em

[loud jetty]

i counted before, and it would take like 96 glyphs to make diagonals work

if you want the entire snake to work diagonally

just the ends would be less

[oak fern]

possible ideas for wuwojiti

[loud jetty]

these are weird i like them

[dense inlet]

funky

[loud jetty]

is that half a musi

[agile barn]

i elaborated on that in the request

[agile barn]

yeah that's fine

[oak fern]

lanpan was the only toki pona crime i could think of and i heard someone define wuwojiti as crime in general before, so i thought it’d be fitting

also, for the left one, if you’re saying wuwojiti, then whoever did it probably caught your ear (at least your attention) and i’m now realizing that’s a calque

[oak fern]

thank you :)

[oak fern]

ooh i didn’t think about that that’s even better

[loud jetty]

the fact that it's a calque makes the glyph even better tbh

[sturdy marlin]

o pana ala e nimi 'nu'

ona li lon ala..

[loud jetty]

yutu

oh maybe the star should be upside down and touching the hand

yutu

[sturdy marlin]

taso ma pona li kama kepeken sitelen mun ala tawa toki suli la seme

[loud jetty]

is there a plan to use something other than stars?

[sturdy marlin]

mi ken ala sona e tenpo kama

[loud jetty]

even in the event that that happens, yutu is an old word and has star in the definition

[oak fern]

jan Kekan San glyph

[loud jetty]

yutu: interact with jan Kekan San

[sturdy marlin]

a..mi la nimi ni li sin mute

[loud jetty]

well it predates the new emoji whatever it is

[sturdy marlin]

misa
nimi ni li musi ala tawa mi
pona ona li tan musi ona
la nimi li pona ala tawa mi

[loud jetty]

misa is cute especially as a head noun

[oak fern]

tbh the two meanings often overlap

i can’t see the word misa without thinking of jar jar binks and now neither will you, you’re welcome

[feral wind]

misa Sa Sa Pin

[loud jetty]

the Jar Jar Binks association only works for me if i do the voice

[oak fern]

i’m always doing the voice

[loud jetty]

valid

[rough drum]

lon la i’m going to leave some of them out

like i

<@&811644330770301008> who wants to write testimonials that i can put on my website

either credited or anonymous

[agile barn]

make them good for a resume

i could later

[vivid drum]

"lipamanka is super cool you should definitely trust the stuff they do to be good"

[dense inlet]

testimonials about what exactly

[rough drum]

the font

to be clear

basically positive reviews of the font

why you like it

[dense inlet]

aw i just wanted to talk about how great you are

[rough drum]

you can do that too

[dense inlet]

real

[rough drum]

NO DONT SAY THAT ITLL GO TO MY HEAD

I NEED TO IMPROVE MORE

[vestal vault]

"I love the style, I love the glyphs, I love how lipamanka vectorized my name glyph, it's super cute, 11/10"

[rough drum]

aw

not gonna add this but it would be kinda funny

[feral wind]

i cannot think enough to write an actually good testimonial right now

[lapis loom]

"if I had a nickel for every time ParanormalChicken was in a font, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice"/j

[vestal vault]

wait, there's two?

[lapis loom]

ye my font has him

[vestal vault]

ah

[tepid leaf]

hey I saw in glyph requests something about sitelen pona rules?? And something about glyphs shouldn’t be filled in? Are there specific rules or a style for linja lipamanka?

also I second this actually even if I haven’t been here long ^-^

jan Natan ∴ Mimuki [no tone tags or else] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) oh I thought in general, I was gonna say jokingly “they’re one of the better white people I know”

[feral wind]

"i paid $22.50 for name glyphs no one else will use. 10/10, would make poor financial decisions again" -jan Kepi

[vestal vault]

lmao

[rough drum]

omg that’s so real

[rough drum]

wow no seriously it WILL go to my head

it makes me feel very good though

sike

[feral wind]

i mean people might use the Kepi glyphs because it's just Kirby
and it wasn't that poor of a financial decision, i get like $50 a month
but yeah

[oak fern]

linja lipamanka is very aesthetically pleasing, and it has other clear design goals that it meets very well. For example, it includes many, many custom name glyphs and nimisin requested by the toki pona community, and it impressively integrates them into a consistent style. There have also been other opportunities during its creation process for the community to give their input, truly making it a ‘font of the people,’ as stated in the initial design goals.

also lipamanka drew my hat and called it fancy and that is clearly still making me happy :)

use as much or as little of this as you want, also tell me if you want me to rewrite it because i realized partway through that the way i was wording things made it sound like the font was drawing itself

[dense inlet]

:0

[oak fern]

also im sorry for the wall of text /gen

[rough drum]

omg

so real

[real bough]

👍 "sitelen pona"

[rough drum]

nice

[lucid nymph]

I can do

[rough drum]

do it

[lucid nymph]

Are u gonna add stacking to it

Bc i dont want to write that in the thing if its not true lmao

[rough drum]

@loud jetty I am SORRY but I will have to not do the silapa tall glyph

[native trench]

tan seme

[lucid nymph]

linja lipamanka is an incredible font with so many glyphs to choose from. It is similar in aesthetics and design to linja sike, but linja lipamanka had way more to offer. linja lipamanka supports alts, cartouches, and case-sensitivity. The letters and glyphs are very clear and easy to read. I love linja lipamanka for its design, versatility, and accessibility. Also its creator uwu (/p)

[rough drum]

It is similar in aesthetics and design to linja sike
incorrect

false

wrong

bad

<@&811644330770301008> hey send me kili alts, any fruit or veggie in the style of my font and I'll ADD IT

[lapis loom]

omg!

[pale canopy]

what is the lipamanka style though,,,,,,,

[paper grove]

japanese cube watermelons

[native trench]

why does this not connect

[feral wind]

carrot

[rough drum]

because I was fixing it

[native trench]

a

[bold inlet]

troll face

[feral wind]

i cannot draw a potato but that would be a cool alt

omg veggietales

[lapis loom]

i will send in kilis after i shower!!!

[agile barn]

oo I don't like this

as long as there's a way to make it use the normal kili I'm fine though

[feral wind]

alts just mean they'll have a number after it
so kili is still the default, but kili2, kili3, etc. will be the alts
at least it was that way with the jaki and ko alts

[rough drum]

yes

[safe crescent]

@rough drum

[rough drum]

it won't be randomized

[feral wind]

omg

kili mute a

[oak fern]

cw explanation below

banana banana banana kili palisa jelo banana please /overexaggerated enthusiasm, only do it if u want

also if you do it please don’t make it look like the drawing below, for some reason i’m finding it off-putting

[feral wind]

starfruit!!

[vestal vault]

aw, I can't draw kili atm

[bronze wraith]

kili Kalanpola!

[lucid nymph]

onion

[rough drum]

ONION

oh

[lucid nymph]

oh

howd u guess right?!

[stoic rivet]

onhom

[feral wind]

this is pomegranate erasure

[lucid nymph]

it can be either thats the magic of contezt

[bronze wraith]

pomegranate

[bold inlet]

NO POMEGRANATES /ref

[feral wind]

NO NO NO NO NO POMEGRANATES

[bronze wraith]

kili

[vestal vault]

kili (don't add this, I don't own this character, this is a CHIPS n CO fanart)

[rough drum]

jan Kekan San fanart @white cove

[stoic rivet]

sewi

[safe crescent]

thumbs up but blurry

[lapis loom]

guess the!

[oak fern]

||second from the left on the top is dragonfruit?||

[lapis loom]

yes!

[oak fern]

jan Kekan Gaster

[rough drum]

nice

I laready have a lot

but I might add moree?

[lapis loom]

ok im just gonna!!!
rutabaga dragonfruit lemon/lime corn bean mango bell pepper/pumpkin raspberry/blackberry

i know the rutabaga is already gonna be added i'm pretty sure it's on Linku

and I FORGot i was gonna do rhuBArb

that's a kili right

eh nvm it'd just be a kasi

[tepid leaf]

I’m not gonna submit this unless I Know it works and I was concerned with the stars being filled in bc I saw something about that being against sp rules? But this is my glyph idea for our system name that I’m Thinking about. I just can’t draw stars good enough with my shaky hands so I filled them in

[lapis loom]

i don't know if i've ever eaten a rutabaga i don't know why that was my first thought

[magic wolf]

i think the stars are small enough for that to be fine a a 😅

[lapis loom]

i guess the glyph could be a radish or turnip but rutabaga is more fun to say!!!!

[rough drum]

ooooooo

[tepid leaf]

it’s for kulupu telo mun which I translate as “star sea” to mean Nebulae system :D I tried orient the stars like the sp for kulupu

[lapis loom]

actually this is my submission for kili!!!!!!(i am totally joking don't do that) i made them based on fruits!!!! the dragonfruit and starfruit and a third one i forgot

[rough drum]

fskdljfskdfjsdfkljjklsdlkfjsldkfjsdkljfskljlksfd

[magic wolf]

toki pona font where every character is a furry oc

[snow siren]

personify every character

[vestal vault]

wow

[loud jetty]

no why 😭

[rough drum]

it won't FIT

D:

[loud jetty]

wdym

[rough drum]

like

line spacing is TOO HARD to figure out D:

[loud jetty]

you just make the glyphs overlap a bit

idg the problem

[native trench]

what if the head is just an ascender

won’t work in discord but will work in most other things

[loud jetty]

i feel like discord is where it would get the most use

[native trench]

its better than nothing

[loud jetty]

what's wrong with making the glyphs overlap a bit

or even just designing it for 1x line spacing, and letting it break everywhere else

is snake ni not making it in either

[quasi depot]

:33

[white cove]

why isn't it linjamanka

[quasi depot]

well excuse me for not being able to put linja lipamanka in ibisx

[white cove]

oh no not you! i meant the name of the font

sorry!

[quasi depot]

MY BRAIN

[snow siren]

i think i saw this before

Trying to remember

[quasi depot]

pali musi

[snow siren]

sitelen sina li pona

[quasi depot]

pona

[lapis loom]

wouldn't be cool if i got the glyphs i submitted implemented on my birthday tomorrow???????? /nao
(seriously no pressure, I really don't care when they get implemented take your time /gen!!)

[icy jolt]

(i'm not sure but i would assume it meant that it would like them to be tomorrow, but that the time doesn't matter to any particularly significant degree)

[lapis loom]

i think i just wanted to announce it is my birthday tomorrow i might be too tired to make words make sense

[icy jolt]

fair as well

[lapis loom]

i should really not be staying up this late because i'm actually really getting in a good sleep schedule recently but i want to see the birthday drawing that my friends make they post it at midnight!!!!!

[bold inlet]

#1073380524439121971 i am so happy you're working on this and making the cool font of all time

[rough drum]

dialectics la it is possible for apposing things to coexist

[sonic linden]

Don't give me ideas

[bold inlet]

I legitimately want to see that as a writing system though

[zenith herald]

Should I suggest a glyph for positu?

Ehh, it would just be ale with emitters

Are we gonna have LLN26? I'd use it

[real bough]

inventing a new nimisin for every sitlelen that does not currently have emitters

emissive nanpa means programming/computer code
emissive mu means turning people into furries
emissive tonsi means attacking and dethroning god

(all of these are blatantly bad nimi sin ideas)

[wise garden]

Weird idea: emitters as sin alt

[real bough]

pana just means having a new hand

[real bough]

can I suggest that the ucsur font use the unicode variation selector code points for alt glyphs? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variation_Selectors_(Unicode_block)#:~:text=Variation Selectors is the block,variant for a preceding character.

so for example you could render [sewi][VS1] as secular sewi

this should keep things tidy for folks using other fonts since (AFAIK) it'll fall back to just sewi without other printable characters cluttering the appearance of it

[pearl portal]

why am i getting 🐟'd

[feral wind]

didn't lipamanka say they weren't doing any spp alts

[split kernel]

its the external porpoise

[pearl portal]

ah

i thought i was getting trout-slapped

[bronze wraith]

is poki-based sewi spp?

[cinder wyvern]

no

[icy jolt]

reminds me of the concept i saw for a logography written using gen 1 pokemon

[pearl portal]

another way would be to use the opentype stylistic alternate tag, which doesn't imply cross-font compatibility (whereas variation selectors do, and might need to be specifically encoded in some standard, e.g. ucsur)
that's the "strongest" reason i can think of

[rough drum]

they are NOT ALLOWED to be used for that for some reason but i might just use them anyway

[pearl portal]

not allowed? who said that

[rough drum]

@stable trench

it knows what it’s talking about

won’t stop me from like doing it anyway but

[stable trench]

variant selectors are for unicode specified variants i think

variant glyphs are simply put as variants

but honestly

i dont see why not

we could standardize it

forcing font makers to have the same alt glyphs for those

which may or may not be ideal

[pearl portal]

yeah exactly

get in touch with jan Lepeka

[stable trench]

the problem is that it will need to be standardized

[rough drum]

i think it’s ideal if i’m in charge

[stable trench]

true

[rough drum]

okay so i’m just gonna standardize it

[sturdy marlin]

taso sina lawa ala e nasin

[rough drum]

mi lawa a >:(

(i’m being silly)

[pearl portal]

ona li lawa a

kin la nasin pi jan Lepeka la mute li tan linja sike

[rough drum]

ijo Ana en jan Sa li pali ala mute e nasin sitelen lon tenpo ni

[rough drum]

@real bough I forgot to capitalize

[real bough]

pona lukin

[steady cape]

ok but actually, question: whence comes "lipamanka"? I've assumed it's a transliteration for a while, but it seems like a very unusual set of syllables for any names I'm familiar with. Was it conceived natively in the toki pona phonotactics?

[rough drum]

lipman -> lipaman -> wanted a kijetesantakalu in my cartouche so I added "ka"

[steady cape]

musi

[zenith herald]

Lipamanka is so cool everyone should praise them

[zenith herald]

But waso Pini (me) is better

[split kernel]

so true

[rough drum]

restarting my pc

gonna stream when it boots back

<@&811644330770301008> 🙂 streaming

@keen yew especaillu u

[keen yew]

okay,,,,,

[rough drum]

also I need like

ewe glyph ideas

[feral wind]

mi wile, taso i'm in class rn

[rough drum]

cringe

[rough drum]

join vc

[keen yew]

gimme like

a minute

[sturdy marlin]

nimi ewe li lon ala

[rough drum]

what if ewe was just a ligature for the kiwen glyph

[sturdy marlin]

nasin pona

[rough drum]

@keen yew come back

I like genuinely miss you /gen

[keen yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051633600279359581/1070788125120536606/tumblr_4c8b521dc4623c7badd31f60565b68ef_b0abb3b8_500.gif

[rough drum]

come back D:

I won't echo anymore I was just doing it bc echolalia /excuse

[rough drum]

@true stone join vc

stop being antisemitic

[safe crescent]

fr ong

[white cove]

ona li pali sona lon tenpo suli la ona li ken ala lon ma pona 😔

mi wile sona
tan seme la nimi pi nasin sitelen li linjamanka ala

[rough drum]

ona li ni

[white cove]

ala
nimi ona li linja lipamanka
ni tu li ante

[rough drum]

ona li linjamanka li nasin lipamanka li linja lipamanka li ken ijo mute

[white cove]

mi linjamanka e ona lon tenpo ale

[rough drum]

lol so true

[shy forum]

string lipumanga

[lapis loom]

libamanga????? can't believe i'm supporting a LIBERAL font for ANIME geeks smh/j

[proud vessel]

libamanga??? is that a font for "BIG CITY LIBERALS"? ||/ref & musi||

[tepid leaf]

<@&811644330770301008> it's linja wezzl now, I'm STReAMING

[paper grove]

channel full, i was too late 😔

[split kernel]

opinions on this style of combined ilo sitelen glyph?

[vestal vault]

doesn't look easy to write by hand

or at least, it would take more time to write than other characters

[split kernel]

what about just ilo with the 2 side dots?

maybe thats too hard to recognise

[split kernel]

im only asking here because i could request this to be in the font, but if its not readable i wont

[vestal vault]

it's readable, but, like I said, it's not handwriting friendly. if you're not up to that, then feel free to request it

oh, for readability. I probably wouldn't recognize that as sitelen

[abstract solstice]

Usually for unorthodox variants, i assume they’re a name glyph/nimisin

[steady cape]

it seems difficult to recognize what it is exactly, whether it be ilo sitelen or sitelen ilo. I can see the component parts, but it doesn't flow well in my head

I'd probably read it as a name glyph as well

what version of linjamanka does ilo Linku use?

[cinder wyvern]

the one on the github: https://github.com/lipamanka/linja-lipamanka-0

[rough drum]

oh i gotta update that

oop

[steady cape]

was wondering when I'd be able to type my name in all its glorious artistry (tysvm!)

[rough drum]

oh shit i forgot

well i included you in this infographic

[steady cape]

Gorgeous

butifo en gor

[rough drum]

ikr

[dense inlet]

why am i not on the infographic this is homophobia

and ableism

[steady cape]

I very much wish to make a joke about sinistrism and its legal status but I can't think of a good way to quickly write a witty version in good taste, so here's my statement implying a good joke instead.

(sinistrism: left-handedness)

[rough drum]

you’ll be in the grammar one

[dense inlet]

based!

[feral wind]

no way

add me too jk you don't have to

[rough drum]

I'll think about it...

[dense inlet]

your glyph is like a copyrighted character tho

[feral wind]

one of my other ones then

i mean there's only one that's currently already made

[zenith herald]

I love the Esile glyph I love you for it lipa happy valentines day

[zenith herald]

I pray I did the unicode ligature right for LLN70

How do you actually make a font?

[cinder wyvern]

make the drawings for each glyph in a vector format and put them all in a font editing program

those are the basic steps, but it gets complicated from there : )

[loud jetty]

i recommend BirdFont, it's free and pretty straightforward and less crashy than FontForge

it can do ligature fonts

[rough drum]

I recommend fontforge it's really good and has no problems

and completely free

just make sure to save as periodically

[lapis loom]

fontforge is a bit technical tho

but i recommend it as well

[zenith herald]

Cool

[safe crescent]

@rough drum can u send me a picture of the iseja glyph by itself so i can make it my pfp for this server

[rough drum]

:)

[safe crescent]

omg that works

[indigo flicker]

sitelen Sanwisi li lon ala…?

[steady cape]

sona mi la ilo li sitelen kepeken linja lipamanka pi sin ala

[indigo flicker]

kin la, sitelen S en sitelen W en sitelen I li jo e :) tan seme

[cinder wyvern]

tan musi a

[rough drum]

you need to req in #1072230753221488741

[merry ruin]

put me in one too

[rough drum]

maybe

we will see

[lapis loom]

I will be in your hearts and the walls of your house

Do I will get sEtsp soon btw?

[quasi depot]

when will we get actually readable lowercase letters

[loud jetty]

please be respectful

[rough drum]

never 😌

[lapis loom]

when you put in a request for them in https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1072230753221488741 and pay lipamanka at least 26 dollars

[agile barn]

this is a good request tho im ngl

[agile barn]

if i ruck-quested it how many moneys would i need

[rough drum]

hmmmmmnnn

I could charge normal

however

that seems mean

and bad

and cringe

so what about one dollar each?

[rough drum]

I mean I prolly would have done it anyway might as well get payed for it

[loud jetty]

i wanna use my name glyph as a standalone word or head noun, like

[loud jetty]

could i have a ligature that makes sense with that grammatically?

e.g. one of

waso Keli
waso-Keli
waso~Keli
wasoKeli
wasokeli

it's okay if no <3

[rough drum]

ye sure

i think ~ works

[tepid leaf]

Wails discord messes up cropping

[rough drum]

linja sike update /mysterious

@keen yew

@safe crescent

@stable trench

[stable trench]

wgat is this

waow

[keen yew]

so real

[rough drum]

I'm incinerating akesi

[safe crescent]

[agile barn]

using it as a headnoun makes especial sense for your top tier name glyph

[dense inlet]

i don’t think ive ever seen especial written down before

saying it out loud feels right and like something i probably do all the time without thought but that sequence of characters feels Wrong

[indigo flicker]

mi pilin e ni: nimi ni li tan toki Epanja. tan ni la ona li toki Supanli

[rough drum]

okay so I'm thinking about how to implment it

this

so like

what if

ni>+ la, ni> got replaced with niLeftStart, and + got replaced with niRightEnd

ni>++ la, ni> gets replaced with niLeftStart, and the middle + got replaced by middle, and the last + got replaced by niRightEnd

same works for ni<

I'm gonna try to implement it

hm actualy

there has to be a > at the end too

or a <

depending

[loud jetty]

niiiiiii>

[rough drum]

OH

hm

tbh seems harder to implement

[loud jetty]

niiiiiii>

[rough drum]

what if ni<-) ni>-(

ni>~ni~ni>

ni><ni><ni

@cinder wyvern any ideas

[cinder wyvern]

a
my idea was doing it with ( )ni and ni( )

but

that's because jan Lepeka's fonts do this kind of thing

[rough drum]

ew

disgusting

spits on the ground

[loud jetty]

i wanna implement something like this but i don't wanna learn chaining substitutions
and i feel like avoiding chaining substitutions might result in something that's easier to understand anyway

[rough drum]

look I'm also trying to avoid using those

[loud jetty]

a pona
i'm not trying to prescribe, just food for thought

moku isipin

[rough drum]

however I will end up using them here

or at least some type of contextual alternate

HEY @loud jetty

hey

you

will you watch me try to implement this

on stream

[loud jetty]

yes!

niv ni> ni^ ni<
ni~insa
ni~open> ni~open<
ni~pini> ni~pini<

i'm gonna use this nasin for mine i think ^

i think waso should be able to perch on long ni

[native trench]

amazing

[rough drum]

@cinder wyvern can I change u extra for these they are proving difficult to set up and require three opentype features each...

[cinder wyvern]

a
I didn't realise it would be so much trouble

[rough drum]

I mean I want them anyway

[cinder wyvern]

$1 extra for each character?

[rough drum]

that sounds fair, I think!

[cinder wyvern]

those were 5 characters iirc

[rough drum]

I was gonna offer to not charge extra because you weren't aware of that ahead of time

yeah, five characters, six opentype features though.. .

[cinder wyvern]

nah extra work needs to get paid extra

[rough drum]

I need two sets of ligautres, I need two chaining substitutions, wait acutally it's gonna be six base glyphs I just realized

I'll count it all up at the end

[cinder wyvern]

maybe I should just recalculate glyphs and opentype features separately

[rough drum]

ye

idk how much I've charged for it in the past but I've been working on these opentype features for ... about 40 minutes so far so I can put on a stopwatch and you can just pay me by the hour for the opentype features if you want lskjdflksj

[cinder wyvern]

oh, was the "link" payment option on your ko-fi there before?
does that one suppord paypal?

[rough drum]

no idea, probably not

actually i can set up paypal now

@cinder wyvern paypal works now!

you can now pay for the features I've already added

and I think... I forget how I charged for additional opentype features last time

we could just do by the hour or I could scroll up and check

<@&811644330770301008> if you've tried to donate money in the past but couldnt' because my ko-fi didn't support paypal, now it does! it's attached to my dead name though so... be pona

[cinder wyvern]

neat
so let me check

• my name glyph
• directional ni up
• directional ni down
• cartouche interpunct
• cartouche colon
  That's five, I assume interpunct and colon have additional opentype stuff?

[rough drum]

yes they do

[cinder wyvern]

so +$2

[rough drum]

that sounds fair

so is it one dollar per opentype feature per glyph, or just one dollar per opentype feature?

[quasi depot]

i assume you're not able to change that

[rough drum]

I amn't

[rough drum]

because those two each have two opentype features each

the lookup and the chaining sub

[quasi depot]

zad

[cinder wyvern]

I was thinking $1 per opentype feature other than the ascii->sp substitution that gets it started
so for these, it's $1 for interpunct due to cartouche extra opentype stuff, and $1 for colon due to cartouche extra opentype stuff
For extended ni, it'll be more because more opentype stuff, if I understand correctly

[rough drum]

oh I wasn't counting the base lig

[cinder wyvern]

yeah, had that assumption, wanted to be clear just in case

[rough drum]

here are the two opentype features

one is reliant on the other

[cinder wyvern]

Oh wow
there are now more payment options! Even Sepa

[rough drum]

oh? interesting

[wooden flame]

what font making app do you use @rough drum because it looks cool

[rough drum]

fontcreator

it cost me 200 dollars

lol

I am not going to tell you that I think you should pirate it tbh honeslty like that is a good idea ngl

[wooden flame]

well i am going to use birdfont

[lapis loom]

i tried to use birdfont once and it was not fun

[loud jetty]

i hate BirdFont the least out of the programs i've tried

[wooden flame]

i used to use an app called "type light"

(yes it has a space)

[lapis loom]

it did not let me import an svg font or something i don't remember

[native trench]

so true

[rough drum]

okay maybe I WILL add it

[loud jetty]

evil grin

[rough drum]

@cinder wyvern after a very long time I have finally managed to get them to work properly

omg

(added the 100 dollars from the 100 dollar bill goal)

[lapis loom]

point at sipije

point so many at sipije

[dense inlet]

pleass

point at sipije

[real bough]

(sipije li seme?)

[raw cairn]

oof

[loud jetty]

snake ni propaganda

[rough drum]

okay fine maybe i’ll do more research and figure it out

however

that’s kinda a lot of effort and even though i want it too i also want money..

[loud jetty]

a i'm sorry i didn't intend it as like nagging

mostly i'm excited that i'm making progress on my font

[rough drum]

fair enough!

i do actually really want to implement this

[pearl portal]

@rough drum

· ike la ilo jan o jo e linjamanka tawa ni tan ni → ilo [Miraheze] li ken ala kama jo tan ma mute · mi toki e wile sona pi nasin pona tawa kulupu la ken la ni li lon ala tenpo kama ·

[rough drum]

a

ona li ken a!

taso

linja lipamanka li pini ala

mi awen pali

[pearl portal]

nn seme a

mi ".sfnt" e ona la pakala

[pearl portal]

ni la mi o kepeken seme

nasin [Fairfax HD] li seme tawa sina

· @cinder wyvern o · sona mi la sina jo e ilo [Fairfax Pona HD] pi sitelen pona taso anu seme · ni li lon la o pana lon lipu [sona pona] la mi ken kepeken ona lon lipu ·

[rough drum]

a lon la mi lukin ike e toki sina

mi sona ala e tenpo ni

[rough drum]

sitelen ni li tawa ala

[pearl portal]

a nasa

[rough drum]

mi sin e ilo la awen la ala

[cinder wyvern]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:FairfaxPonaHD.woff anu seme

[pearl portal]

a pona!

[rough drum]

ni li nasin sitelen seme

[pearl portal]

Fairfax

[rough drum]

seme la ilo li kama kepeken linja sike

Fiarfax li ike li tan jan ni: ona li lon ala kulupu

[pearl portal]

mi ni e ona

sina toki e ni → linja sina la sina awen pali

· kin nasin pi linja sina li ike tawa ilo · mi ken alasa pona e ona lon wile ·
· kin kin linja poki sina li nasa lili · o lukin ·

[cinder wyvern]

a nasa
ona li ken ala lon ilo sina anu seme
ilo mi la ona li ken

[pearl portal]

a n

o awen lili

a tenpo ni la ona li pona

[cinder wyvern]

a pona

[pearl portal]

ike la suli sewi ona en suli sewi pi nasin Arial li ante lili la linja li tawa

[rough drum]

seme li ike ona ilo

[pearl portal]

ni

nasin [TTF] li ike tawa ilo

[rough drum]

A

[pearl portal]

· mi ken nasin [WOFF] e ona · taso tenpo li pimeja a ·

[rough drum]

mi sona

ni a

mi ken pali e ni lon tenpo poka

[pearl portal]

a jan [Ke Tami] li ni

[rough drum]

a

[cinder wyvern]

pakala sewi a a

nasin Autohint li lon ala anu seme?

[rough drum]

sina ante e ilo kepeken ala ilo pona la hinting li awen sama tenpo pini

[cinder wyvern]

a
ilo pona li lon ala sona mi

taso ken la linja lipamanka pi ilo mi li tan tenpo pini
mi sona ala

[rough drum]

a sina kepeken ilo seme tawa ni: linja lipamanka li kama WOFF

[cinder wyvern]

https://cloudconvert.com/ttf-converter
ona li ike ala ike

[rough drum]

ken la ona li ike a tawa Hinting

o awen lili

mi pana e linha pi pona sin tawa sina lon tempo kama lili

aaa toki potuke

tan DEME

[cinder wyvern]

iho li wile e tenpo la ona o ho e tenpo

[rough drum]

okay sending a WOFF file very soon

okay for some reason the "get union of intersections" is just. not working at al

a mi kama sona e tan

[rough drum]

okay turns out that there are tiny things in every single glyph that are annoying me that nobody else will ever care about but I need to fix all of them and stop clicking the "fix contours" button and do these things by hand because that button has fucked up so much shit

this is what each glyph SHOULD look like. simple. good. optimized. not too many circle thingies. not too few. all of the things that need to be smooth are mathematically smooth.

[lapis loom]

is there a simplify button

[rough drum]

and this is what every glyph looks like

[rough drum]

yes, it's not very good but it's still useful

[lapis loom]

just like fontforge's

[rough drum]

this is after I pressed the "optimize contours" button

this is after I clicked the "smooth curves" button

this is after I pressed "optomize contours" again

smooth curves

optomize contours

this one isn't ideal either... UGH

fuck it

this is work for future lipamanka

[lapis loom]

good luck future lipamanka

[rough drum]

anyway <@&811644330770301008> here's the new fontfile, now in OTF font file form so who knows what fucky stuff might be worse (or better)

[paper grove]

wawa

[rough drum]

@cinder wyvern @pearl portal here's a WOFF file

and here's a WOFF2 file just in case

because why not have two types of WOFF

oh I forgot to say what's new

you can do extended ni

after either ni< or ni> type () and it'll be one space longer

every dash you add in between the () will make it another space longer

should be available on linku when the linku thing gets linku'd

[cinder wyvern]

yeeeeaaah

[rough drum]

is this good or

i think it’s fine tbh

[cinder wyvern]

good, yes!
hinting works

[pearl portal]

pon pi a a

[cinder wyvern]

name glyphs are there
this was fun to update my site with
(but now I have to manually go through the font called "toki pona updated" Fontstruct needs to be better organised)

[rough drum]

nice

[loud jetty]

you can make UCSUR fonts with FontStruct, but it's really annoying

[rough drum]

it’ll be available on linku within the next 24 hours

[dense inlet]

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[rough drum]

@pseudo surge (when you get a chance, the mirror thing has the new linja sike thing you just gotta boop the bot right)

[lapis loom]

IMPORTANT!!!!!

[loud jetty]

is this read as "mu" or "m"

[feral wind]

wait i just noticed the ending part of the cartouche is different
i'm assuming that's made using curly brackets {} right?

[loud jetty]

made a

[feral wind]

pona

[rough drum]

ye

[lean arrow]

god I love code switching question systems

[zenith herald]

I've never been so proud

[lean arrow]

wow that's nice

[pearl portal]

lili la mi wile wile e sitelen papa

[cinder wyvern]

ona li soweli Baba

[rough drum]

@half sun your glyph is way too complicated

it looks cool though

if you want me to simplify it for you i can try but you might just wanna design a simpler version yourself

[half sun]

hm alright

can you try and if you cant figure it out i can try something?

[rough drum]

yeah but not rn

[indigo flicker]

ni li nasin mi

[rough drum]

oo nice

[dense inlet]

ooo another moon glyph!!

and glow's autistic so you get to do the thing to the round star like mineee

[rough drum]

so true

[dense inlet]

i love it when trends emerge

[rough drum]

@pseudo surge have you pushed the bot yet? it’s been a few days and i wanna know if i fucked up somewhere

[pseudo surge]

one sec

[rough drum]

thanks!

let me know if i’m being too impatient again

[pseudo surge]

check it rn

[rough drum]

YAY

<@&811644330770301008> a new batch of name glyphs and nimisin are now available for use with the bot! check to see if yours is/are available

also all of the ma kule nimisin should be supported now

not positive about that one

[lucid nymph]

how to do autism alts? Idk if they are in yet

[raw cairn]

it works!

[lucid nymph]

waow

[rough drum]

they’re not in yet sljfjarjf

[pearl portal]

🎉

[rough drum]

ALSO another “announcement” i guess: if you want your name glyph to have lots of cool looking alternates based on the eyes you’ll have to pay extra

it’s very labor intensive to add twenty alts per glyph but i like doing it so if you want to pay i can add that

instead of being 50 dollars it’ll be like. five dollars

base glyphs and nimisin with eyes will get these automatically

autism alt is free

[split kernel]

did you add my glyphs under a different name or not yet?

[rough drum]

i don’t remember

[split kernel]

Manka, koManka and soweli alt dont seem to be in

[rough drum]

damn

they’ll be in the next patch

[split kernel]

epic

[dense inlet]

WHAT

[sonic linden]

You've got the wrong font

[dense inlet]

linja sike jumpscare

i know

[sonic linden]

x3

[dense inlet]

i never switched to linja sike tho??

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for mu Temi to linja lipamanka.

[abstract solstice]

suwi a!!

[loud jetty]

🥺💖💕

thank you lipamanka

[lapis loom]

@rough drum o
I changed my mind on the sEtsp variant of ken, you can skip it
I’m also iffy on the akesi and pipi, I still want them but maybe not as alts. I don’t know what they’d be used for tho

[little flower]

a i should still submit

[half sun]

are the glyphs waso keli and/or lipamanka usanwisi suggested good for the font or should i try and design one? ^^

[dense inlet]

:)

sitelen tu pi linja monsi suwi

[steady cape]

a!

[lean arrow]

is mimuki a misa on wheels

it makes so much sense

suwi a

[snow siren]

ala....

[vestal vault]

maybe try uppercase on first letter

[snow siren]

ala kin

[vestal vault]

aw

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for jan Kukisulasu to linja lipamanka.

[snow siren]

Wow

[rough drum]

pali ni li lape

tenpo ni la mi pali e ijo ante

[cinder wyvern]

lape pona
en pali pona

[quasi vector]

damm

[cinder wyvern]

wrong font 😛

[quasi vector]

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for mun Mojo to linja sike.

[cinder wyvern]

nope

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for mun Mojo to linja lipamanka.

[cinder wyvern]

there you go

[quasi vector]

lookat thattttttttttttt

[distant maple]

:D

[dense inlet]

oooooo

[dense inlet]

prettyyyyy

[dense inlet]

@quasi vector LOOK HOW COOL THAT LOOKS OMG

[quasi vector]

#jaki

[indigo flicker]

T-T

mi wile e ni

[rough drum]

patience

[feral wind]

for the Luna glyph i feel like the last line on the right should be a bit shorter

[tepid leaf]

is this just cursive mun

[feral wind]

lmao kinda
my interpretation of mun + nasa

[rough drum]

imo the best name glyphs incorporate elements from outside of sitelen pona

like name glyphs that are just a combo of pu glyphs aren’t as good as the others

[feral wind]

i mean i didn't really mean for it to be a combination at first
that was just what i thought of ig

i do think my other ones are better

[tepid leaf]

why

jan Kekan stan ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) like name glyphs that are just a combo of pu glyphs aren’t as good as the others

[rough drum]

I guess anecdotally?

out of all toki pona speakers I've probably seen the most name glyphs

[vestal vault]

there are pretty good name glyph derived from pu glyphs. I like the one with monocle, I don't remember the name lol

[rough drum]

oh that one

[feral wind]

jan Poman's glyph

[rough drum]

that one is pretty creative with it and those parts of it can be seen pretty easily as different things

(a hat, a face)

things that incorporate elements of sitelen pona and something else are the best ones I'd say

I think arranging sitelen pona shapes to look like a face with a hat and a monocle is potentially able to serve as that (and has in jan Poman's glyph)

[lapis loom]

i thought mine was kinda clever

[keen yew]

so fucked up that maki's glyph feels more sitelen pona-y than mines

but also i like my glyph so its ok

[lapis loom]

waso + laso + nasa + kon

[rough drum]

I kinda disagree

[keen yew]

idk

[stoic rivet]

Ur glyph is awesome

[icy jolt]

wow this is jsut like me
(i made mine in like 20 minutes but i still do like it. tho it kinda looks like Nawa instead of Nowa)

[real bough]

is there some trick to get name glyphs to cartouche properly?

[rough drum]

nope none of them are supported in cartouches yet

[ivory fern]

kule+ilo doesn't work properly, but funnily enough kon+ilo does, though with the kule glyph rather than kon

[tepid leaf]

thnik

[native trench]

[icy jolt]

[half sun]

@rough drum are either of these glyphs good for the font? and should i resubmit if so? ^^

[rough drum]

don’t worry about resubmitting i’ll get around to it

i’m taking a break

[dense inlet]

not very sitelen ponaesque at all but its MINE

[real bough]

I am receiving vicarious joy from your enthusiasm

[dense inlet]

aww

[rough drum]

okay Im gonna be real I overworked myself a LOT to get linja lipamanka done and out

I made a font entirely from scratch

I did it in less than a month of active time

I won't be working on a new version for a while

[lapis loom]

fair enough! lape pona :)

it's a great font so far!

[loud jetty]

hype

[vestal vault]

take care!

[agile barn]

oh woah is it done?

[cinder wyvern]

It's more complete than most fonts out there, it stands up on its own
It might not be done if conpared to some goals - it's an ambitious project

[tepid leaf]

I would say that it's like, done enough for me to be happy with myself and declare it the official V1

jan Asiku ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) oh woah is it done?

[agile barn]

ok cool i need to givr you money at some point now

ps check lipamanka pi font ala

[tepid leaf]

oops might not have added that yet

[snow siren]

lon

[paper grove]

should i suggest this i think it would be funny

[cinder wyvern]

no

[native trench]

😭

[lime slate]

ah yes "e!"
for when you confuse a and e's meanings

[agile barn]

gonna wait on kili Temake because he came up with the original design of it but very excited to pay for the cool mi and sina alts

[rough drum]

what are they

[agile barn]

i dont want to show what they look like until kili Temake approves the picture i drew, but they're based on the original mi and sina glyphs with small changes for accessibility

the design was their idea and i'm a very very big fan of it