linja lipamanka

[lapis loom]

actually retract statement para chicken has autism so he's more me

[paper grove]

this font is quite nifty

wait does it react with a plant if i say something like

a puma ate a man in montana

lmao nice

wuwojiti?

[loud jetty]

Pingo

yupekosi

[paper grove]

nimi ni li jo e wu e wo e ji e ti

[formal cove]

mi kala pona Tonyu la ona li kasi ala kasi e mi

a, ala

[paper grove]

wacky (sorry im doing this here i cant test this in #jaki)

[quasi depot]

yupekosi

[formal cove]

tan seme la 'yupekosi' li kasi a

[loud jetty]

Tonyu

[paper grove]

mi yupekosi mute

[quasi depot]

Pingo

[formal cove]

huh

[native trench]

nasa a

Pingo li kasi ala tan seme

[loud jetty]

we should test this in #toki-ale

[formal cove]

Pingo li nimi pona

[native trench]

a, P suli

pingo

mi wawa

[formal cove]

a, nasin li lon

[loud jetty]

tonyu

[native trench]

mi ken Aneowixbelwosnmwlapzjdlap

[vivid drum]

mi toki e nimi english lon insa toki pona la seme

[native trench]

toki ante li lili la kasi li ala

[rough drum]

what should I name these

[native trench]

taso mi ni la

[rough drum]

and this

[native trench]

toki english

kasi li kama

[vivid drum]

a mi pali sona 👩‍🔬

[native trench]

pali a

[lapis loom]

i ken ala write neouro tipical folks id=f i wnted to (i am autisjikc)

[real bough]

akesi~kon, Nalasuni, and nlsn

[lapis loom]

mi o really lape i am not ok rn clearly (not serious)

[formal cove]

o lape pona

[rough drum]

hm I think I'm gonna make it be Akesi~Kon just bc name glyph and those are pu words

[real bough]

would akesikon work?

[rough drum]

no bc then it would show up if someone forgets the space between akesi and kon

[real bough]

oke

AkesiKon li ken

[rough drum]

okay nice

[tepid leaf]

😔 latin stuff getting prioritised over ucsur

pipimanka suwi ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) <@&811644330770301008> hey everyone new font file out this time with combining glyphs! (doesn't supp…

[rough drum]

tbh ucsur is not as accessible

but all of these glyphs will be typable using ZWJ using ucsur and opentype

oh you meant for combining glyphs

I didn't feel like figuring that out yet

[tepid leaf]

it's the same system as you have just with separate glyphs rather than - and + and the like

[rough drum]

ye ik

I just didn't feel like looking those up

[tepid leaf]

i test all the things on discord
so ucsur is more accessible to me :p
it's also the thing that breaks the easiest which makes it good for testing imo
like i wouldn't have seen the height problems and stuff as quickly if i weren't fucking around with ucsur on discord

pipimanka suwi ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) tbh ucsur is not as accessible

[dense inlet]

haha i LIED i am NOT EEPING

[tepid leaf]

eeps u

[agile barn]

i am

eep. eep eep

[dense inlet]

well shit now i eep !

[paper grove]

o eep pona

[rough drum]

fair enough

keep in mind though that these quick releases are just for like

me to test shit out

like I send these here and then download them on my laptop and take notes with them

[tepid leaf]

oh yeah i just like being able to point these things out quickly

[rough drum]

okay cool

tomorrow or something it should work with ucsur

though tbh removing all the ligatures might be annoying so idk

[tepid leaf]

the ucsur things that are needed for it to be Complete

• the middot and colon (working in and out of cartouches)
• long glyphs, normal and reverse (can just be zero width for now but as long as they're like. there)
• all the obsolete glyphs ("combining cartouche/long pi extension" are the only ones i think, should be blank and see through for cartouches)
• combining glyphs (again can be blank)

no rush lol just putting it here for reference

[rough drum]

what are "long glyphs"

[tepid leaf]

long pi &c

they act as like

[rough drum]

ah those are supported

[tepid leaf]

oh nice they weren't there before

cool and nice

󱦚󱤹󱦛󱤂󱦗󱤹󱦘
reverse long glyphs are not, however

leaving them blank is fine though, again

[rough drum]

oh I mean like

in versoins that are ligature fonts

[tepid leaf]

yeah i'm talking about the UCSUR things
i know the ligature ones work better :p

[rough drum]

basically y'know how with ADHD it sometimes feels like ur driving down a hill and ur in a car and there are no brakes but every now and then the car slows down bc it levels off a bit and you have enough time to like look at a cool tree

UCSUR is like. a small rock

it's much harder for me to stop the car and look at the rock

so I'm putting it off

[tepid leaf]

again i'm not rushing you, you do the things when you do them, i'm just giving you the bits that need doing for it to work properly

[rough drum]

'pretiate it /deep south accent

[tepid leaf]

it just also means i won't be able to give proper feedback for now a a a

[rough drum]

pona a

I am fine with that I think

but I do want ur feedback at some point

[rough drum]

gonna make it so when ur typing a word it has more ligatures that kind of animate it a bunch while ur typing if it’s clear what the word is from context using ligatures

thank @loud jetty for the idea

it’s genius

[loud jetty]

animated gif of ligature animations
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/951966419283742750/1072064417937768468/SPOILER_animated_sitelen_pona_4x.gif

this is for the last 5 letters of a word

[agile barn]

a ni li pona mute tawa mi

[agile barn]

dont understand what youre saying here

[rough drum]

i will explain maybe after i implement it lmao

[loud jetty]

for example, this is what it looks like when you type "kijetesantakalu"

[native trench]

this is so cool

[subtle lintel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/882258986739568671/884184346024611840/unknown.png

Jonatan glyph (composed of jo nasa tan)
abbr.: Joni glyph (composed of jo ni)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053850152932233266/1053975539360202762/IMG_2279.jpg

[vestal vault]

ona li pali. o lukin e ni

[feral wind]

one thing i’m just mentioning so i don’t forget
i’d like it if my glyph was a bit bigger, so it touches the edges of the box it’s in

[stark wolf]

Lewi (from ʃ + ɫ lol)

[junior wolf]

ngl I don't understand the point of name glyphs

like how are you supposed to know how to read them

[tepid leaf]

you learn them

honestly i don't think they should be used anywhere other than like,,, signatures or something

[formal cove]

yeah, just for fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal vault]

I use them for signatures

[cinder wyvern]

I use mine to pay lipamanka more

[feral wind]

i'm doing it because i'm too lazy to find a good way to write my name in a cartouche

[native trench]

kinda want a name glyph but i think generally i just don’t like the idea of name glyphs that much
[] is just so much more vibey and expressive than or something
i’ve only recently settled on this spelling of my name
it’s kinda funny like there are specific reasons for every one of those words

[pearl portal]

· tenpo li ike · taso · sina ken suli sewi e ona la ona li kama nena ·

[real bough]

sitelen nimi namako li pona tawa mi tan ni: []

[paper grove]

should this be pinned

[rough drum]

ye

<@&587034472898101250>

pls pin it uwu

[pearl portal]

.i mi'e ni'e

[dense inlet]

lipamanka do you have an Image of my name glyph

[rough drum]

ona li lon ni

ni kin

[pearl portal]

alas la ni li pona seme

[dense inlet]

taso ni li lon tenpo pini. mi jo ala e sitelen pi ona ante sin

[rough drum]

ni li ona ante sun

*sin

[dense inlet]

aa pona

[agile barn]

thats cool but i absolutely could not use your app if that's not optional since my adhd will just get distracted by it

[rough drum]

okay honestly

not gonna add it then lol

[agile barn]

ty

it would have been a LOT of work for you to add that too i think

[rough drum]

lol

true

[dense inlet]

i cannot express how much i LOVE this idea

if an alternate version of the font is available with that implemented i would be so fucking happy

but dont overwork yourself!!

[rough drum]

sorry idk what that second word is

time to add a different version of the font

okay i’m gonna stream right now and add all the name glyphs to the font so they work with ligatures

[dense inlet]

ooooooooooooooo

mi lon tomo sona la mi ken ala lukin

[rough drum]

or like in five minutes

[rough drum]

shens lunch

[rough drum]

don’t tell me what to do

rude

/nay /nbh /neu

[dense inlet]

pft

[dense inlet]

in like 15 min

[rough drum]

damn some people are so annoying /nay /nbh /neu /nsqr

[dense inlet]

a a a kasi ala

[dense inlet]

(tawa ni)

[quasi depot]

lmak

lmal

mlao

i cant spell

[rough drum]

wait you donated to me wtf

can’t decide if this is cringe or based

[dense inlet]

lipamanka when the non-white people donate back: 😨

[rough drum]

anyway streaming in seven minutes so mu Temi has enough time to get to the lunch room

or whatever

after class ends

bc i love her

/nay /nbh /neu

[dense inlet]

i love you tooooo

[rough drum]

/nay /nbh /neu?

[dense inlet]

of course

[quasi depot]

im at work so i cant join vc

[rough drum]

cringe i’m antiwork so i’m going to remove ur glyph now

just kidding

[quasi depot]

[paper grove]

your sexuality is not your decision. it's lipamanka's

[white cove]

kasi

[rough drum]

I gave it a little curl bc ur just quirky like that

[cinder wyvern]

huh
well, as long as I get to pay you 😛
Hm, I think I underestimated how short the taso is in that one, it might benefit from being longer

[agile barn]

2 day request on the evil letters

[paper grove]

why can't pini be used as an anpa glyph

in the current released version of the font

[paper grove]

random assorted jaki's

[rough drum]

final* alts with attribution

*I will add more bc I feel like it later

[merry ruin]

@rough drum lipa o

[feral wind]

wish i could join vc but i'm at school

[paper grove]

smh didnt credit jan Sonja for the default ones

[safe crescent]

the second one is so much better

[merry ruin]

@rough drum motan lowercase

[rough drum]

too complex >:(

[paper grove]

nooooo

[quasi depot]

hey thats my old pfp

[rough drum]

it is

[merry ruin]

owe!!!

[quasi depot]

owe

[paper grove]

better assorted jaki's

probably

[merry ruin]

can you make the M in Motan lowercase

danke schön

[pearl portal]

· mi wile e sitelen mi · ona li linja monsi suli pi soweli kasi lili · (sitelen mi ona li pona mute ala) ·

[rough drum]

nano lipamanka nata Keli Usawi Koko Ansu Mila Jasun Maki Vriska Waje Palensi Kijan Niko KeTami Kepi Votgil Eweke (<@&811644330770301008> please tell me if this glyph is yours and I will change it sorry) Jonatan Pami Asiku akesi~kon Nalasuni Nlsn Iseja Temi Tonyu Jules Wen Lewi Ipawi Motan

[paper grove]

oh thats mine hi

[rough drum]

HSKLDFJLSD

okay

nano lipamanka nata Keli Usawi Koko Ansu Mila Jasun Maki Vriska Waje Palensi Kijan Niko KeTami Kepi Votgil Eweke Poman Jonatan Pami Asiku akesi~kon Nalasuni Nlsn Iseja Temi Tonyu Jules Wen Lewi Ipawi Motan

[merry ruin]

orwell

[safe crescent]

1984

[paper grove]

(damn why is discord audio muted)

[safe crescent]

oh wait HI lipamanka haiii hiii

[rough drum]

oh did I ping when I started streaming

[safe crescent]

<3

[rough drum]

if no tthen

I am streaming now

[pale canopy]

i love the last ko being ditto

[rough drum]

oh it's actually just a Ditto glyphsldjflksj

[pale canopy]

HELP SO COOLLL

i one day will join stream but sadly that day cant be today :(

[steady cape]

debating whether I should just take the G clef as a personal glyph

[rough drum]

a

mi ken ni lon tenpo kama

[pale canopy]

do 🔥

[paper grove]

oh wtf it wasnt muted lmao

[wooden flame]

jaki

[steady cape]

G clef but the top loop is a waso beak

[safe crescent]

hi lipamanka :3

ily :3

[lucid nymph]

me when i

[safe crescent]

/annoying

[lucid nymph]

sorry

[pale canopy]

jaki /j

[steady cape]

Dunno, loose scribble draft

[pale canopy]

!!! silly

[steady cape]

ignore the alternate "kalama" above

[pearl portal]

mi jan [Koko Ipawi Temi Asiku]

[safe crescent]

okie i need to take a shower now but ily lipamanka ❤️ /endearing

[steady cape]

oh no... the way I drew the beak reminded me of the long boi meme and now I can't unsee it

oh heck

[rough drum]

do it

[steady cape]

I'm not visually or graphically artistic so I succ at this lol

[quasi depot]

waiting for linja lipamanka update

[steady cape]

I like how I actually drew it sitting on the lines on my paper (pay no attention to the linear algebra bleeding through the back of the paper)

[merry ruin]

pensive_misa my beloved

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> WE HAVE THE GLYPHS! WOOO

[rotund ginkgo]

WOOOO!

[quasi depot]

YIPEE

[rough drum]

thank u for everyone who contributed to this font having so many name glyphs in it

we can have MORE

MORE ARE COMING

WOOO

so FUCKING excited about this ngl

[pearl portal]

poni!!

[loud jetty]

HYPE

[rough drum]

where's poni

[raw cairn]

i need mine aaaaaaaaaaaa

[pearl portal]

Wen

[loud jetty]

THANK YOU LIPAMANKA

[pearl portal]

li poni

[rough drum]

ur welcome

[quasi depot]

we will be able to have waken soon

[rough drum]

anyway anyone here know python

[pearl portal]

mi a

[deep needle]

pog

[pale canopy]

sipije i love u thanks for including tbh

[pale canopy]

YEAHHH THIS SEEMS SO COOL

tp community on their way to be lovely

!!!

[quasi depot]

😋

[rough drum]

can someone take
nano lipamanka nata Keli Usawi Koko Ansu Mila Jasun Maki Vriska Waje Palensi Kijan Niko KeTami Kepi Votgil Eweke Poman Jonatan Pami Asiku akesi~kon Nalasuni Nlsn Iseja Temi Tonyu Jules Wen Lewi Ipawi motan sipije AUTISM
and format it so it looks like FEA sub n a n o by nano; etc

[merry ruin]

sub?

[rough drum]

yes

[cinder wyvern]

on it

[rough drum]

woah

based

[pearl portal]

a

[merry ruin]

seme li kon ona

[rough drum]

jan Ke Tami MVP for real he should sleep more ngl ..

[pearl portal]

        sub n a n o by nano;
        sub l i p a m a n k a by lipamanka;
        sub n a t a by nata;
        sub K e l i by Keli;
        sub U s a w i by Usawi;
        sub K o k o by Koko;
        sub A n s u by Ansu;
        sub M i l a by Mila;
        sub J a s u n by Jasun;
        sub M a k i by Maki;
        sub V r i s k a by Vriska;
        sub W a j e by Waje;
        sub P a l e n s i by Palensi;
        sub K i j a n by Kijan;
        sub N i k o by Niko;
        sub K e T a m i by KeTami;
        sub K e p i by Kepi;
        sub V o t g i l by Votgil;
        sub E w e k e by Eweke;
        sub P o m a n by Poman;
        sub J o n a t a n by Jonatan;
        sub P a m i by Pami;
        sub A s i k u by Asiku;
        sub a k e s i ~ k o n by akesi~kon;
        sub N a l a s u n i by Nalasuni;
        sub N l s n by Nlsn;
        sub I s e j a by Iseja;
        sub T e m i by Temi;
        sub T o n y u by Tonyu;
        sub J u l e s by Jules;
        sub W e n by Wen;
        sub L e w i by Lewi;
        sub I p a w i by Ipawi;
        sub m o t a n by motan;
        sub s i p i j e by sipije;
        sub A U T I S M by AUTISM;

[cinder wyvern]

sub l i p a m a n k a by lipamanka
sub n a t a by nata
sub K e l i by Keli
sub U s a w i by Usawi
sub K o k o by Koko
sub A n s u by Ansu
sub M i l a by Mila
sub J a s u n by Jasun
sub M a k i by Maki
sub V r i s k a by Vriska
sub W a j e by Waje
sub P a l e n s i by Palensi
sub K i j a n by Kijan
sub N i k o by Niko
sub K e T a m i by KeTami
sub K e p i by Kepi
sub V o t g i l by Votgil
sub E w e k e by Eweke
sub P o m a n by Poman
sub J o n a t a n by Jonatan
sub P a m i by Pami
sub A s i k u by Asiku
sub a k e s i ~ k o n by akesi~kon
sub N a l a s u n i by Nalasuni
sub N l s n by Nlsn
sub I s e j a by Iseja
sub T e m i by Temi
sub T o n y u by Tonyu
sub J u l e s by Jules
sub W e n by Wen
sub L e w i by Lewi
sub I p a w i by Ipawi
sub m o t a n by motan
sub s i p i j e by sipije
sub A U T I S M by AUTISM```

[rough drum]

LSDKFSLDKFJ

HAHAHA

[cinder wyvern]

a

forgot the semicolon

[rough drum]

amazing

[pearl portal]

mi ni kepeken ala ilo akesi kepeken regex taso 😎

taso

[rough drum]

dw I got it from the new MVP

[merry ruin]

@stone nexus

[pearl portal]

ken la mi anu jan ante o pali e ilo ni kepeken ilo pi telo wawa la ona li ken lon ilo linluwi

[stone nexus]

mi

ni li sitelen wile pi nimi mi

o "youyou" ala, o "pandaqwanda" anu o "vel" ("vellorine")

lon ken la mi pini jan "youyou"

[raw cairn]

@rough drumhey! do this one pls!

[rough drum]

too complex

[pale canopy]

SOOO CUTE GLYPH

[raw cairn]

make it simple instead lol

[rough drum]

no u

[merry ruin]

froggy /j

[raw cairn]

found it

[steady cape]

mi ken ala sitelen e sitelen wile mi.

[rough drum]

okay I'll add it next time :3

[cinder wyvern]

what if it's filled out and those are the outlines?

[rough drum]

it's pretty simple

[steady cape]

I have the initial sketch up there already, but by hand is the best I got @rough drum

[rough drum]

ooooooo

okay I can add it :3

[lucid nymph]

akesi

[pearl portal]

@rough drum o

[rough drum]

amazing

no idea how to use this lksjdflskdjfsdjj

I love u tho

[pearl portal]

o open e ona kepeken ilo linluwi o pana e nimi lon poki la ona li pana e toki ilo

[rough drum]

pona a

[pearl portal]

o akesi ala e lipamanka 😔

[cinder wyvern]

http://antetokipona.infinityfreeapp.com/font/fontcreatizer.html

[pearl portal]

tepetenpo li pini

(kin la ona li akesi)

[pearl portal]

a!

[rough drum]

based

[pearl portal]

a n

mi alasa ni

[cinder wyvern]

mi ni

[pearl portal]

a!!

[rough drum]

wawa

[cinder wyvern]

  return a.length - b.length || // sort by length, if equal then
         a.localeCompare(b);    // sort by dictionary order
});```

(mi jo e nasin tan lipu pi jan ante a a a)

[cinder wyvern]

a!

pini sin

[rough drum]

can someone pin this

[rough drum]

also you can unpin this

also pin this message that I'm sending right now (this one)

[rough drum]

pin this one

[steady cape]

That one ↑

[rough drum]

I will edit it to something I need

[steady cape]

Ew they changed the font on mobile discord

[rough drum]

please don't react with a crocadile to every message in this thread

english is allowed here and it makes it hard to read

[raw cairn]

react with raccoon instead 🦝

[rough drum]

just unreact lol it's really annoying and makes cthe channel less accessible @stone nexus

[safe crescent]

Im back :3

[stone nexus]

ok

[zenith herald]

Awww no me 😔 /hj /lh

[rough drum]

oh I forgot sorry lol

[stone nexus]

damn no me either! prob cuz i sent mine a long time after that message

[bronze wraith]

@rough drum mi ken ala ken nominate myself for a custom name glyph

[rough drum]

sure

why not

[loud jetty]

this is really good and I'll play with it, ty
generally I'm trying to avoid glyphs transforming into other glyphs
so if someone else wants to play with ligatures in that style, you'll be the first person to do that afaik

[bronze wraith]

ten sitelen Siwan, ten jaki, ten ko

sitelen soweli

[loud jetty]

it's a font not an app and yeah
I think it makes sense for a videogamey font, but it definitely makes it less accessible

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for yupekoSiwan pi lipamankan’t to linja lipamanka.

[rough drum]

doesn't work here yet oops

[bronze wraith]

ilo Linku o sin e font any seme?

[rough drum]

it will at midnight utc

I think

I did forget to send this though <@&811644330770301008> now supports a bunch of your name glyphs! I'm going to make a seperate thread called linjamanka formal glyph request submission where discussion is forbidden so people can do that without their requests getting lost

[loud jetty]

ten

[deep needle]

n i e c

[quasi depot]

kiwen Waje li suwi

[loud jetty]

lipamanka add a treble clef as a jaki

🎼

[abstract solstice]

jaki clef

[bronze wraith]

kepeken ala kepeken e staff lines?

[loud jetty]

kepeken ala

[bronze wraith]

mi la, ni tu

[paper grove]

oh no

[loud jetty]

I used the emoji because I don't know how to draw a treble clef

oh cool a treble clef is just an ampersand but more curly

[steady cape]

treble clef jaki? but muh sitelen nimi

[bronze wraith]

sina jaki

[loud jetty]

it can be both a jaki and a sitelen nimi

[quasi depot]

yipee!

[loud jetty]

and a sitelen musi and a sitelen kalama

[deep needle]

thats definitely one way to describe a treble clef.

[quasi depot]

sipije suwi

[abstract solstice]

Isn’t the whole thing that it’s a fancy G and the curve of the right side sits on G

[loud jetty]

it's a G?!

[quasi depot]

real

[abstract solstice]

Someone told me that

That all of the clefs are letters

Yeah bass clef is an F aligned to the note F, etc

[quasi depot]

linja lipamanka is the font ever

[loud jetty]

yup it's a G!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#History

I can't read but it seems like it's a G with an s above it, for sol

[stark wolf]

im famous

[safe crescent]

hi

on they train thinking bout u ❤️

(lipamanka)

[rough drum]

damn

I mean the same thing would happen with the autism creature normally

[rough drum]

omg I was thinking about u in the shower

[safe crescent]

omg

[rough drum]

jesus I'm winning

how did this happen wait

it was like 4k a week ago

wow

idk

amazing..

from now on post all glyph submissions in #1072230753221488741
<@&811644330770301008> if I have not added your glyph yet please submit it there so I can keep track of it! Thank you 👍

[native trench]

i love # deleted-channel

(the link doesnt work for me)

[rough drum]

what???

#1072230753221488741

https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1072230753221488741

[native trench]

that works for some reason

[lucid nymph]

my bad i didnt read the rules

[native trench]

hm, i might want to redraw the glyphs i’m submitting to make the proportions/symmetry more clear
should i submit now and edit later or not post until i redraw/decide not to

[rough drum]

you can edit later

[native trench]

alr

[rough drum]

by like removing the image and putting in a link to a new image

[indigo tendon]

I would submit something but I'm indecisive

[rough drum]

lol

[agile barn]

woah cool!!

[agile barn]

do we put the soweli pictures in here still

[native trench]

i think the requests have to be in the format specified in the pinned message

i can format it if you want

[rough drum]

no bc there's a new discord update that makes multiple images attatched to one post not spammy

[agile barn]

ok cool

literally nothing has changed for me yet though lol

[rough drum]

lol

well the important thing is that it works to make the thing easier for me to organize

@agile barn can u use the format so it's easier for me to organize in my head

[native trench]

im currently formatting that

[agile barn]

what format

oh wait i get it

[native trench]

@agile barn i already did it

[agile barn]

ty

[native trench]

np

[rough drum]

o weka e ijo pi namako ike

[bronze wraith]

ijo ni anu seme

[steady cape]

question: should I call my glyph "Kotenwinsi" or "Mako" because I use both names interchangeably based on whether it's here online or in person, but this glyph really sort of represents both at once. I know I'm going to have the ligature be "Mako" for brevity.

[rough drum]

posts in #1072230753221488741 that aren't submissions

[bronze wraith]

a

[rough drum]

but like this is what it looks like for me (at least after I reloaded my client)

[lapis loom]

wait was that an ike submission?

[rough drum]

no

discord did a pona update

[merry ruin]

wawa a

[lapis loom]

idk i like it for more than two photos but it's not as good with just two

[rough drum]

no this is great

[lapis loom]

wait yeah nvm

[rough drum]

lol

[cinder wyvern]

#1072230753221488741 la
should I repost previous glyph requests there?
looks like yes, but I want to be sure

[feral wind]

for the glyph submissions how should alt glyphs be handled
under the same serial number anu seme

[rough drum]

yes, if I have not added them yet

[rough drum]

each post should have a new serial number

[wispy rock]

i forgor how to do long pi,

[rotund glacier]

|__________

[cinder wyvern]

pi(ijo ijo)

[rotund glacier]

pijo

[quasi depot]

ma+pona

[pearl portal]

i swear i had a 4th glyph request but i can't remember what it was and i can't find it either

[rough drum]

also I have already added poni

so I reacted ✅

[quasi depot]

do you know which glyph corresponds to each name

cause janta is the crab looking one
and the ones that look like their zodiac sign should be obvious enough

mejepo is just a weird looking aries

mawijan is virgo but rounder

[pearl portal]

i checked in paint.net and it doesn't lig

[rough drum]

no I would have appreciated them in sequence

[pearl portal]

in this font

[rough drum]

I have the glyph in the inkscape file I just haven't added it to the font itself

[pearl portal]

a

[rough drum]

the

uh

I forgot what i was gonna say

I have a quiz

[quasi depot]

can i send them in order in dms

so you know which is which

[rough drum]

sure

just add to your submission "check in dms for correct order"

[lapis loom]

AUTISM is the best feature of this font--

[feral wind]

oko suli a

[rough drum]

SKLDFJDKLF

[steady cape]

is it wide eyes for how we see the world differently?

[lapis loom]

the one with mun looks like gunter from adventure time

[lapis loom]

no it's wide eyes from tbh/autism creature

[zenith herald]

@steady cape persona thief (my name is phoenix)

[lapis loom]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[steady cape]

oh

[zenith herald]

(I'm not actually mad lol)

[steady cape]

[insert persona meme here]

[feral wind]

can't wait to get home and finish my homework so i can submit some new glyphs
probably won't be able to finish my homework tbh

[steady cape]

submission: cartouche but with jan legs

[rough drum]

do u want me to submit it for you

I like this idea tho

[steady cape]

nah, I'm mostly joking, let me workshop the proper syntax for the start and end

maybe /ijo\

for the legs

[quasi depot]

done and done

[lapis loom]

@pearl portal what does this mean?????/nm just confused-

[quasi depot]

[pearl portal]

what does what mean

-oh that's an image

lipamanka asked for nice emoj on each submission

[lapis loom]

but why those ones?
there's a chicken emoji why duck

[rough drum]

it'd be jan[ and ]jan I think

or maybe jan~[ and ]~jan

but I do want to add it

bc it's funn

y

[pearl portal]

because uhhh i did not realize that you're a chicken 💀

sorry beaks just make me think of donald

[lapis loom]

oh yeah google lens makes that mistake to i'm not the bird from dhmis google please-

[pearl portal]

amended

[lapis loom]

[steady cape]

something like that, implement as you see fit, an example given using my name glyph is in the channel (sorry it's all hand-drawn)

[rough drum]

pona

ale li pona

in the future if you can draw with a sharpie on an index card to make sure your drawing is super cool

[steady cape]

I'll do what i can, but I ain't got cards on me rn, doing from my tutoring job, so working with the tools available

[rough drum]

lol ale li pona

[pearl portal]

maybe make the glyph smaller then
by my calculations the glyph field is ~16 stroke-widths large (including padding)

so draw 16 lines touching each other and that's how much space you get

[rough drum]

the stroke width is like 70 and the character bounding box is like 1000 I think

not positive

[pearl portal]

then 14

[steady cape]

maybe. I've been writing large specifically to disambiguate since it's newer glyphs, the detail can be dropped with the shrunk size, dunno

[rough drum]

not positive

it might be like 55

[lapis loom]

i think it would also be cool if there were like sp ligatures-
like tan_seme could connect but still take up two glyphs
idk how well it'd work tho

[steady cape]

also pencil line width constraints would be a hand-issue rather than a line-space issue at least for me

[lapis loom]

eh nvm it doesn't look good

[rough drum]

anxiety is coming back

[native trench]

i like this horizontal emitter thing

[cinder wyvern]

you've done a lot of things today
does not thinking about the font for a while help?

[rough drum]

thanks the hug helps uwu

[safe crescent]

hugs you tightly

[subtle lintel]

sina wawa mute! pona a tawa sina!

[lapis loom]

@rough drum I think Opa got misaligned

[cinder wyvern]

throws weighted blanket on top of everyone hugging

[rough drum]

I noticed that

[rough drum]

omg

[rough drum]

omg this helps so much

[safe crescent]

:3

[pearl portal]

bug hug

[rough drum]

omg

pipimankoilin

[quasi depot]

homesuck

[pearl portal]

https://tenor.com/bROFM.gif

closest i could find in gifs unforchly

[rough drum]

lol

[quasi depot]

[pearl portal]

other way around but https://www.furaffinity.net/view/37373499/

[rough drum]

just called my portuguese teacher ernestinho

@tawdry shale

[tawdry shale]

what does that mean

wait is their name ernesto anu seme

and you were trying to seduce them anu seme

seme seme anu seme

[rough drum]

yea lol

[rough drum]

no we just learned dimunuatives in class

he has a husband

[tawdry shale]

musi

you should add en ernesto glyph... just saying

[rough drum]

also @white cove discussion here, not in the glyphs submission channel

and idk what it is so prolly no

[rough drum]

lol

[white cove]

it was the name glyph

[rough drum]

ah

the small one is in the font file but it doesn't have a lig

[white cove]

ni

[white cove]

ahhh cute, hell ye

[rough drum]

@white cove can you draw the glyph on like an index card with a sharpie so I can trace it easily

[white cove]

uhhhhh i can try
it would be easier to trace the outline and eyes on the emote bc my handwriting is Bad

[rough drum]

well when I tried that I couldn't get it to look right

[shy forum]

my name glyph but real

[rough drum]

ur aleph is pretty weird

[shy forum]

yeah

[rough drum]

in handwriting it never looks like that and the lower left doesn't look like that even in calligraphy

[shy forum]

yeah

[rough drum]

I've completed LLN1, LLN2, LLN4, LLN7, and LLN13

[pearl portal]

Kita looks,, hm
i mean i don't super dislike it but
lemme try again

(in the meantime seka should be titlecase)

[rough drum]

oops

LLN17 has been completed

[dense inlet]

oh thats Really Good

[rough drum]

yes it took me a very long time to balance properly

I think I spent like... oh wow eight minutes on this one glyph wtf

most of them are faster than that but this one was a big challenge of "how can I get it to fit but also look good and also be exactly what he asked for"

[steady cape]

that's really pretty I like

sorry for being troublesome 😅

[rough drum]

okay I did some tweaks

oh god there's hardly a difference

fuck

[pearl portal]

,,ok yeah this is hard

[dense inlet]

gorgeous beautiful shes so lovely look at her my baby my precious

[rough drum]

yeah I need to tweak that one too

...

[tepid tusk]

Too few arguments for command note!
Usage: .note <name>

[rough drum]

ON STREAM

RIGHT NOW

<@&811644330770301008> streaming

[pearl portal]

third in the bottom row is preferred, fourth is scaled down in case you want it small

[quasi depot]

Votgil

toki Votgil li ike

Izz LOVE zz UNDERTIME zz SLOPPER

I LOVE UNDERTIME SLOPPER

⛎

[dense inlet]

#jaki please

[quasi depot]

[rough drum]

LLN25 is done

[quasi depot]

:^y

•{•

[shy forum]

wow that is my nimi

[quasi depot]

sujipe

[zenith herald]

@cinder wyvern How would LLN26 be used?

[paper grove]

i think it doesnt look bad as a bottom glyph

[cinder wyvern]

example:
I make a new glyph (hypothetical) in the future
or want to say something is the thing I want to say, but even more... extra (see pona+emitters=epiku)
Let's pick... ale+emitters=new glyph for new hypothetical word

[zenith herald]

Ahh nice

So like ale-''' would mean something such as ale a or ale mute as there's emphasis maybe?

[paper grove]

lete-''' -> kulijo

[quasi depot]

lipamanka-'''

[zenith herald]

Yeah

Obviously my example is simplified but

[quasi depot]

AUTISM pona AUTISM

[dense inlet]

you know that isnt linja lipamanka for anyone but you

[pearl portal]

@rough drum o sorry for misleading you with the submission image, the vector here (directly under the screenshot of your version) is actually good this time (pinkie promise)

(i can't look at the stream very well due to internet so sorry if you've already fixed it)

[rough drum]

okay

I'll do it laterish lsdjfkl

[paper grove]

lape2

[native trench]

[shy forum]

o nose pona

[paper grove]

keep the fucking glyph

i believe in U+ECE4 supremacy

[native trench]

this

[shy forum]

real

[paper grove]

also this one

[shy forum]

the li unpa glyph

[cinder wyvern]

yeah, ale+emitters could be a potential glyph for one of the life nimisin, or for deities
or linja lipamanka has a glyph for owe, but you prefer the one in the other fonts, so you do lukin+'''

[zenith herald]

Yeah

I dont actually understand owe at all based on the lipulinku description of it

[misty lantern]

owe

usage

obscure (no book)

description

Orwellian, totalitarian, of or relating to Big Brother (from 1984), antonym of kamalawala

etymology

← English Orwell, for George Orwell, author of 1984

[zenith herald]

This makes no sense to me

[quasi depot]

ALE WITH DOTS INSIDE

[zenith herald]

Why?

[agile barn]

it means like. abuse of power, excessive control, etc. its a joke word

[cinder wyvern]

uh, basically authoritarianism as a vibe? But, also, it's a joke word, so

mi owe e sina
I control you spooooooookyyyy (jazz hands)

[zenith herald]

I know it's a joke word

[zenith herald]

o owe ala e mi

Oh no the joke I just thought of (I shan't say it)

[zenith herald]

They should make an owe

[cinder wyvern]

or like "THAT'S PRESCRIPTIVISM, YOU'RE DOING A PRESCRIPTIVISM ON ME"

SINA OWE E MI A

[quasi depot]

OWE

[pearl portal]

you seem to be using linja sike which is very outdated

[zenith herald]

Why is it oko with eyelashes /j

[cinder wyvern]

I'M TELLING MY PARENT

[zenith herald]

I just like linja sike lol

[zenith herald]

OWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Wont your parents owe e sina kin? /j

Ima see if I wanna switch my fonts

[rough drum]

y'know what I said I was gonna not have a glyph limit for anybody but I'm starting to regret that decision, because a lot of the requests I'm getting are for joke words or nimisin and the like coined exclusively to be included in this font, and in some cases getting coined en mass, so I'm gonna start reacting ❌ to requests I am not going to complete without getting payed

[zenith herald]

I switch to linja-lipamanka

[shy forum]

ok yeah reasonable

[rough drum]

like if you want me to do a lot of glyphs for you (like more than like eight) then pay me

and if you're gonna request a weird nimisin that nobody's ever used before and like it's not intended to be used I won't add it

I'm not gonna set a hard rule on this but I feel like there are some people who are taking my labor for granted and I'm not happy with that, and I'm saying this to make it easier for myself to just say "no" to people

[shy forum]

yeah i didn't really expect j to end up in the font

[rough drum]

nothing's changed besides me wanting more respect. like the desgin goals are all the same but please keep in mind that if you want me to add a set of eight glyphs you made for the cardinal directions I will not do it

[cinder wyvern]

good to have boundaries!
(and communication is good too)

[zenith herald]

Oh ima edit my request again

[zenith herald]

^^^

[rough drum]

as long as it's not super labor intensive for me I want people's ideas to end up in my font so they can use them but I'm going to start saying no to things that are too much work for me to be expected to do

[zenith herald]

^^^ good

[zenith herald]

(Just changing the description slightly)

[rough drum]

I'm going to do all of jan Ke Tami's because he made clear that he's going to pay me for it, to be clear, and I am willing to do that and want to do that

I am also going to either make a new version of this font for tuki tiki or add tuki tiki to this font because waso Keli already paid me in advance for that

like if you want me to do a lot of glyphs for you and you're the only one who you think will use them then you have to pay me for that

[cinder wyvern]

(if I come up with weird stuff that is more work, you should say no if you don't want those, even if I offer money)

interesting
I made 8 suggestions
and I'm paying for 7 of them
(plus some that are now in the font already)

[rough drum]

ye I think I'd say no to the pride flags but everything else so far is doable

[cinder wyvern]

😄 I was thinking about submitting them, but I would have had to look up how the fallbacks work to formulate it well

[pearl portal]

depending on the usecase they could just be a separate font

[lapis loom]

https://www.kreativekorp.com/app/vexillo/ < if you want a font with flags btw (you probably already know about this)

[pearl portal]

yeah was gonna say

[cinder wyvern]

eh, the usecase was "pretty colours to look at" 😛

[agile barn]

PS don't worry I'm going to give you money for the teken glyph

[rough drum]

pona :3

[lapis loom]

I will pay you as well :)

[safe crescent]

🙏 boundaries slay

[rough drum]

pona a

[steady cape]

I very much appreciate the work you did with developing my glyph from a random scribble. I shall only henceforth suggest things for readability and/or benefit to the writing styles and creative engagement of the community. Good boundaries, I shall endeavor to respect them.

[rough drum]

pona

u could also request random stuff and pay me for it

[steady cape]

given my current state, I must unfortunately play the capitalism game at maximum efficiency for the time being. In the event that that changes I may take you up on that, though

reduplicated "that" cringe

[rough drum]

@dusk imp do you like this more for pi

any notes about the way it's aligned

or anything you want me to test out

[tepid leaf]

hmmm
it is pona i think

[rough drum]

yay

[loud jetty]

on this occasion I offer an additional capitalism hack
you can charge for every glyph, but let people sponsor each other's glyphs
either by offering to pay for specific glyphs, or by contributing to a pool
you can also give everyone one free glyph, and charge for each one thereafter

[tepid leaf]

ni li musi

ken la lipamanka o ni

a nimi mi li awen musi

[loud jetty]

si
i
ilapa is so beautiful I love her 🥺💕

[tepid leaf]

pona

[loud jetty]

emitters don't represent emphasis, they represent a thing that's being pana'd

sona isn't extra lipu, it's the thing that lipu gives you

pana isn't extra hand, it's the thing that the hand gives you

[tepid leaf]

pana li ijo pana ala

mi pana e soweli tawa sina la mi ken ala toki e ni: sina jo e pana

mi toki e ni la "pana" li "soweli" ala

[zenith herald]

Would alternate left handed versions of mi, sina, and ona be a thing you would do?

[loud jetty]

okay yeah it can be the act of pana-ing but it's still a pana

same for toki, kalama

[tepid leaf]

lipu li pana e sona

luka li pana

uta li pana e kalama

ijo li
ijo li uta li pana e toki

[paper grove]

opinions on kulijo? (lete + emitters)

[tepid leaf]

ni li epiku

epiku li kepeken ala palisa pana

[paper grove]

wait is this like, actually staying as the default epiku glyph

[tepid leaf]

ni

[loud jetty]

toki is derived from the logo, so it's not an ideal glyph to learn from
but many different types of ijo can pana e toki
uta, lipu, ilo, jan

[tepid leaf]

ni li lon

ilo pana li seme

sitelen ni li lon ala

[loud jetty]

ilo toki
ilo nena
ilo jan
ilo sitelen

[tepid leaf]

sitelen ni li lon ala

(mi lipamanka ala la mi ken ala sitelen wawa sama ona)

[loud jetty]

if this is a miscommunication then what I meant is
toki is a thing that an ijo panas, or the act of panaing
ijo is very broad, and can refer to different things, such as ilo, jan, lipu

[tepid leaf]

a

ni li lon

ijo li ken ijo

a a toki pona li wawa ^^

[loud jetty]

ehehe true

[loud jetty]

the glyph doesn't make sense except as an English pun, and it contributes to confusion about emitters
I don't like it

[paper grove]

sad

[loud jetty]

request: if emitters are implemented, make them an alt pana

like you have to type the word pana to use them

[tepid leaf]

mi lipamanka li wile ala pana e ona tawa ilo

[loud jetty]

that works for me 😌

[loud jetty]

for these you can use e.g. "tomo sewi pi pipi kala" for the crab one

[dense inlet]

tomo sewi...

tomo tan seme

[native trench]

i think of it like
ijo can be ideas
toki is what is used to communicate ideas

(lon sitelen ‘ijo’ ‘toki’)

[tepid leaf]

ken

a

ijo ale li ken toki

sona li tan ona la ona li toki

la ijo li pana e toki a

[loud jetty]

that's a really pretty thought

[loud jetty]

idk anything about zodiac stuff but I saw someone who does know about zodiac stuff call it that

unless I'm misremembering, which, maybe

actually this was from the JP TP community, that might be relevant

[dense inlet]

nn

[tepid leaf]

a tomo li ijo ante

waso Keli ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) idk anything about zodiac stuff but I saw someone who does know about zodiac stuff call it that

pipi kala li ken lon tomo sewi ale

pipi kala li ken lon tomo sewi nanpa wan

ona li ken lon tomo sewi nanpa tu

ni li toki e ijo ante

tomo li toki e ni: lon ale sina mun ni pi sitelen ni li toki e seme

[dense inlet]

nimi "tomo" tawa toki ni li calque ala calque

[loud jetty]

a pakala, I'm sorry for spreading misinformation

[tepid leaf]

ona li ni ala tan ni: tomo li jo e mun

mu Temi ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) nimi "tomo" tawa toki ni li calque ala calque

poki li ken toki e kon ni

taso tomo li pana e pilin sewi

[dense inlet]

mi la poki li pona, tomo li pona ala

[tepid leaf]

mun li tawa lon insa tomo

mun li ante e ijo lon ma ni

li ante e sina

ni li suli tawa nasin ni pi sona mun

[bronze wraith]

@loud jetty sina la, kon seme li lon teken lawa+emitters?

[loud jetty]

@sturdy marlin tomo glyph submissions li tawa glyph submissions taso; o toki lon tomo ni taso

[bronze wraith]

ni a

[sturdy marlin]

a

mi o tawa e toki mi anu seme

[loud jetty]

tawa

[sturdy marlin]

@wise garden nimi losupan la sitelen nanpa wan o suli, mi wile e ni: mi sitelen e toki Losupan la sitelen pona li kama ||the ligature text should probably be capitalized so i can type toki Losupan and have it make sense||

[loud jetty]

either a thing that a lawa is emitting, or the process of a lawa emitting something

[bronze wraith]

/n isipin

[loud jetty]

I'm not really sure what that would be... feels like an alt lawa

[tepid leaf]

what’s teken

laso Siwan ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) @loud jetty sina la, kon seme li lon teken lawa+emitters?

[misty lantern]

isipin

usage

rare (ku lili)

description

sina toki insa la, sina isipin. sitelen pi lawa sina li isipin.

see also

pilin, toki, insa

[bronze wraith]

“teken” li sama sitelen

[tepid leaf]

oh then just say sitelen

this reminds me of when jan Tepo coined tajenpo

[bronze wraith]

tajenpo?

[loud jetty]

teken

[tepid leaf]

like who cares about dutch

[stoic rivet]

tajenpo - an accurate tokiponization of english tempo

[tepid leaf]

the etymology having a different meaning from the tp word is a good thing actually

teken is bad

[agile barn]

then make it an alt for sitelen

the SP is objectively better than the SP for sitelen imo

[tepid leaf]

i’m gonna add teken to my font but it’s gonna be a ligature for sitelen

[agile barn]

thats totally fine

[tepid leaf]

so it’ll just look like sitelen

[bronze wraith]

siteken

[tepid leaf]

there’s no way to tell the difference

[agile barn]

jan Kasape feels that the glyph I submitted is really just an alt for sitelen

[tepid leaf]

honestly i’m gonna do this with oko too

[agile barn]

im the only one whos proposed that it signify teken like the oko/lukin difference

[tepid leaf]

oko1 will give the alt oko glyph

[agile barn]

wait so if i type lukin what happens

[tepid leaf]

lukin

the lukin glyph in pu

[agile barn]

oh ok nice

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for laso Siwan to sitelen seli kiwen asuki.

[tepid leaf]

same with oko

[rotund glacier]

make teken a ligature for oko

[lapis loom]

hmm the emitters thing has given me a bit to think about but i'm tired so I will leave with the only thought that have fully formed:
emitters are movement of something intangible, pana sort of real-ifies the movement

[stoic rivet]

having oko the same as lukin is fun in cartouches
[ 👁️ ] - O
[ 👁️👁️ ] - Lo
[ 👁️👁️👁️ ] - Olo

[lime slate]

Olo whats this

[tepid leaf]

but anyway teken is bad and i will manipulate my dissociative disorder to remove my memory of it every time so i ask again making it inconvenient to use

(just kidding)

(or am i)

[agile barn]

lmao

is that even a thing you can do

[tepid leaf]

probably but it’s definitely not worth it

it’s the equivalent of “trick my brain into thinking that teken is so bad i need to forget what it is” which is not a healthy thing to do

[agile barn]

oh yeah deffo unhealthy

[tepid leaf]

i’m gonna pretend i did that tho

[agile barn]

lmao

[bronze wraith]

nimi pi kepeken mi li ike ala ike? ni li suli ala. mi awen kepeken e nimi pi kepeken mi

[agile barn]

tbf its the easiest nimisin to explain

[tepid leaf]

no it’s not

because then the person asks “why”

and the reason is bad

[agile barn]

tan wile pi jan pi toki mama

[tepid leaf]

i literally dislike the dutch

[bronze wraith]

jan pi Kasape ala la, toki Netelan li toki mama ona

[tepid leaf]

why would i care about what they want

[lime slate]

toki pona but every word is taken from even closer words to the meaning that what's already had

[agile barn]

this isnt rly related but didnt the dutch make a lot of trans surgeries

[lime slate]

teken-ize every word.

[bronze wraith]

jan pi toki Netelan pi Kasape ala li pilin seme tawa nimi “teken”? msa

[tepid leaf]

they had the resources to experiment with that because they are richer than other countries

jan Asiku ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) this isnt rly related but didnt the dutch make a lot of trans surgeries

[agile barn]

mi sona e ni: ona en jan Simiman li toki e nimi ni

[tepid leaf]

and there is still a lot of racism in the netherlands

[lapis loom]

i swear i had another thought for this that i was gonna tack on but it is now somewhere in the pacific ocean somehow???? like i'm in wisconsin rn that shouldn't be possible feasibly

[agile barn]

oh that sucks

[tepid leaf]

hint: there’s a lot of racism in most of europe

[bronze wraith]

o tawa telo Pasipiko o lanpan e isipin sina a a a

[agile barn]

still good that they did. my understanding was that they were still one of the better places towards trans people atm

[tepid leaf]

towards trans ppl, yeah

towards nonwhite people, no

[agile barn]

damn

[tepid leaf]

not that every dutch person is racist but there are systemic issues built into the culture

it’s the same story with like northern europe

[bronze wraith]

ma Usa kin la ni li lon a

[tepid leaf]

can you guess why there aren’t many nonwhite people in iceland

one of many reasons is that you are bound by law to name your child with an ethnically icelandic name

so if you are of a nonwhite ethnic group and you have kids you will have to give them a white name

[bronze wraith]

and there’s a name review board if the name you give your child is rejected

[tepid leaf]

i thought this was cool until i realized how inherently racist it was

[bronze wraith]

ike a! mi wile pana e nimi nasa

[tepid leaf]

yeah that’s what i was talking about

laso Siwan ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) and there’s a name review board if the name you give your child is rejected

they have a list of names that are acceptable

[bronze wraith]

kulupu lawa o ike ala e nimi a

[sturdy marlin]

sina lon ma isilan li wile a e nimi nasa la nasin nasa li lon

o tawa ma Tansi o ante e nimi lon lawa ni

[tepid leaf]

ma Tansi li seme

[sturdy marlin]

ma Denmark

[tepid leaf]

a

[sturdy marlin]

nasin lawa li nasa la ante nimi pi ma Tansi li lawa lon ma Isilan

taso

[tepid leaf]

who in iceland has the money to go to denmark for a name change

[sturdy marlin]

ni li nasa

jan mute ala

[tepid leaf]

well i mean mostly the white ppl no

[sturdy marlin]

ni li pona ala e nasin

lon mute

mi toki tan musi taso

[tepid leaf]

lon

[agile barn]

ike la ni li wile e mani mute kin

[tepid leaf]

ni li ken musi li ike lon tenpo sama

[sturdy marlin]

sina jo e mani mute la sina ken ante e nimi !

[agile barn]

a Lipamanka li toki e ni

[bronze wraith]

jan minister of justice li wile weka e kulupu lawa nimi https://www.icelandreview.com/news/minister-of-justice-to-present-bill-on-abolishing-naming-committee/

[sturdy marlin]

a ni li tan tenpo sike pini nanpa tu wan

[agile barn]

mi wile la ona li weka e ike ni

[tepid leaf]

so only people who are probably ethnically icelandic and therefore white can do it

[sturdy marlin]

ante li kama ala kama

[bronze wraith]

@sturdy marlin msa

[loud jetty]

isipin

[stoic rivet]

sona seli
hot take

[loud jetty]

alt isipin

[bronze wraith]

put a dot inside the sona

[tepid leaf]

alt isipin

[bronze wraith]

double emitters?!

[bold inlet]

OLO reminds me of a certain server icon

[feral wind]

i in fact did not finish my homework
still currently working
oh well i can do it tomorrow

[loud jetty]

sona li pana e isipin

[bronze wraith]

lawa li pana e isipin

[lapis loom]

I would have to change my name if I went to iceland :(
It's literally one letter off from being approved. which would suck because it being uncommon is the major reason i still keep it, since i can call it more gender-neutral vs. just erik which most people assume is male :/
it still happens with my name because it sounds the same but i can't change everyone's preconceived notions but i can change mine ig

[loud jetty]

tawa seme

[bronze wraith]

isipin li pana e isipin

[loud jetty]

isipin li awen lon lawa

[bronze wraith]

lawa li pana e isipin tawa lawa

[loud jetty]

ni li pana ala

[bronze wraith]

mi pana e isipin tawa sina

[loud jetty]

sina ni la sina toki

[bronze wraith]

isipin mi li tan lawa

toki mi li ken tan pilin li ken tan sona li ken tan sowlei

li ken tan wile

[loud jetty]

pilin sina li toki la o tawa jan pi sona sijelo

a mi sona e toki sina

[tepid leaf]

isipin en toki li sama

kon pi nimi toki li jo e kon ale pi nimi isipin

[loud jetty]

you hold the viewpoint that thoughts and feelings are separate things
and isipin is useful for expressing that

[bronze wraith]

thoughts en feelings li ken ante a

[tepid leaf]

is it

waso Keli ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) you hold the viewpoint that thoughts and feelings are separate things
and isipin is useful for expre…

[loud jetty]

sona poka li sama ni
tenpo la jan li ijo tan sona
tenpo la jan li ijo tan pilin

[tepid leaf]

i feel like you can do this in normal toki pona with toki and pilin

[bronze wraith]

“normal” la, sina toki e toki pu anu seme

[loud jetty]

I guess it's more like
you can express that this distinction is important to you by reserving a word for it

[tepid leaf]

common use

i don’t see the utility

waso Keli ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) I guess it's more like
you can express that this distinction is important to you by reserving a word…

hm i wanna write an essay about why isipin is bad

toki pona doesn’t distinguish between reflexive communication and other forms of communication

[sturdy marlin]

luka pona la mi pali sin e nimi isipin
TOKI(lon poka lawa)

[bronze wraith]

sina pali e lipu pi ike isipin la, mi lukin. ken la, mi pilin ike tawa lipu. mi awen kepeken e ijo pi kepeken mi a a

[sturdy marlin]

jan olipija li pali e nimi ni: IJO(lon poka lawa)

ni li sama toki luka ante mute

taso

mi ken kepeken nimi TOKI

[tepid leaf]

just like how there’s no word for “that” because toki pona doesn’t distinguish between proximity in determiners. isipin is as useful and akin to adding a word for “that”

[loud jetty]

I used to think like this
it came from a place of assuming that other people were less thoughtful than me
which in turn came from a combination of prejudice and autism

[agile barn]

can you give an example of doing it with toki

[agile barn]

idk i found a similar distinction in English useful when I was learning to live with my ADHD growing up

[loud jetty]

like acting according to impulses vs. acting according to plans?

[agile barn]

yeah for sure

esp since impulsivity and ADHD in general will get worse during emotional moments

so "think before you speak" is pretty useful

also like. "isipin e" is a very powerful phrase that I like

[loud jetty]

that's an interesting challenge to express in nimi pu

"o toki insa lon open. o toki uta lon pini"

"o toki tan sona"

"o toki tan toki insa"

[agile barn]

especially if you want to express the act of contemplating something

[loud jetty]

yeah

I think it's a useful exercise to break down what contemplation is

like

maybe it's saying something in your head, and seeing how it sounds

and in that case

it's interesting that you're expected to do that privately, and not with the people you're talking to

[native trench]

alasa insa often works well for thinking

[agile barn]

@native trench can you give an example

[loud jetty]

mi alasa e sona lon insa pi lawa mi

[agile barn]

that. kinda makes sense?

but most of the time I would assume there was something you'd forgotten you were trying to figure out

[loud jetty]

that's maybe more remembering yeah I'm sleepy

[agile barn]

ik for a fact I really dislike "toki insa"

lexicalization bad

[loud jetty]

interesting, I really like it

"thinking" is really abstract
"talking to myself" is really concrete
tawa mi

[native trench]

is toki insa lexicalized

like it does not seem particularly so to me

[loud jetty]

there's lots of kinds of thinking, and I think if you want to get better at thinking, treating it as a black box (which "thinking" and "isipin" do) is counterproductive

so it's kinda a way to thoughtlessly express that you like thoughtfulness

[agile barn]

yes for sure

heard someone talking about certain lexicalized phrases that are common in ma pona. they said "jan pi ma pona li toki insa"

[native trench]

im not sure what this proves

[agile barn]

it doesnt prove anything so much as it was a sick burn i thought

using a commonly lexicalized phrase in a different meaning than its lexicalized one to describe our lexicalization was very clever imo

[loud jetty]

they were using toki insa to mean inside joke/lexicalization?

[sturdy marlin]

ni

[loud jetty]

that is clever

when I try to think of alternative ways to express "toki insa", I think of "toki lawa"
but then that could be confused with toki uta
so maybe "toki pi insa lawa"
oh

like how else do you express talking to yourself, in your head

[agile barn]

toki tawa ona taso is another way to say it