linja lipamanka | ma pona pi toki pona | Page 4

tepid leafBOT Jan 19, 2023, 9:19 AM

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yeah nonpu and cartouches are from said previous revision

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 9:20 AM

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a

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 1:20 PM

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lol that namako is from march the only glyphs that are good are the 120 pu ones

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yes exactly

stoic rivet Jan 19, 2023, 1:57 PM

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a ni li pona a, sina pali wawa

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 3:56 PM

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@dusk imp SUPER NOT CENTERED

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fixed it

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did some like slight adjustments

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perfect

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loje is less lopsided though :/

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changed it again

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@stable trench how do I add ligatures in the opentype menu

pseudo surge Jan 19, 2023, 4:04 PM

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all the triangles are different shapes despair

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:05 PM

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wait I found it

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:05 PM

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pseudo surge all the triangles are different shapes <:despair:827484568998117377>

completely intentional :3

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this is a handwrity font

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if it was geometric it would be harder to read

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anyway is there an easier way to do this -_-

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    sub a by aTok;
    sub a k e s i by akesiTok;```

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:09 PM

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generate it?

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📎 message.txt

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:11 PM

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I am not good enough to do that

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skldfj

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however

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there do need to be spaces between each letter on the left

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:11 PM

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oh there's a space between the letters

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:11 PM

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ye

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:11 PM

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📎 message.txt

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hm, ale and ali lol

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:12 PM

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if this includes ku words I'm gonna have to delete those manually for now

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but this is super helpful thank u magic man

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:12 PM

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I can give you pu

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:12 PM

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i love the different triangle shapes on loje jelo and laso but kule is TOO TALL

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:13 PM

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without synonyms, without ali

📎 message.txt

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:13 PM

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sldfjslf never mind

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I forgot I actually have the glyphs in the font they just look bad

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:13 PM

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with ali and synonyms

📎 message.txt

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a

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:14 PM

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okay so

spaces are still .notdef
sina doesn't seem to combine fully?

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:14 PM

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because sin comes before sina?

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and a comes before sina?

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I have no idea how these work

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:15 PM

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neither do I a a a

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well I kind of know how the work

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:15 PM

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misonaalaa

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:15 PM

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I am figuring out how to use this opentype designer on this new program

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great

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okay I think I gotta add some latin letters real quick lmao

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:18 PM

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thats not very TOKI PONA of you 🤬

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:19 PM

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done

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LSFJLKDJF

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:20 PM

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the ligatures probably need to be sorted longest to shortest
so like "kepeken" first, "e" last

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they're beautiful

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:21 PM

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a and p are making me >:(

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:21 PM

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loud jetty the ligatures probably need to be sorted longest to shortest so like "kepeken" f...

this wasn't the case in fontforge

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but I'll try it

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:21 PM

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a is cute, the lil curly serif

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:21 PM

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actually a is fine when its not at the beginning

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:21 PM

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wait idk if I know how to sort a bunch of lines by that

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:22 PM

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rough drum this wasn't the case in fontforge

fontforge probably does it automatically without telling you

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:22 PM

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fascinating

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:22 PM

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why is u so big 😭

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:23 PM

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I drew these by hand on my fucking laptop with fontcreator's brush tool

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with a mouse

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(no mousepad)

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(but tbh my setup has been working fine? like my mouse works fine?)

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:23 PM

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based

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:27 PM

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loud jetty the ligatures probably need to be sorted longest to shortest so like "kepeken" f...

anyway I don't know how to sort things

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despair

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:28 PM

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it's bizarre that the new program doesn't do it automatically for you

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:28 PM

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it is

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:28 PM

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maybe it doesn't sort if you type them in?

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:29 PM

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maybe

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are you SURE they need to be worted or is this like an educated guess

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*sorted

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:29 PM

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educated guess

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:29 PM

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ah

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because fontforge was picky about the order I put in the thing (and it kept everythign in an order I think)

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or did it thonk

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:31 PM

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like on a technical level someone needs to sort them, text string replacement doesn't work properly if you don't

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:32 PM

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true

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:32 PM

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and sorting thousands of ligatures is computationally expensive for a computer viewing a font
so it's presumably the font creator's job to do it once at the beginning

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:32 PM

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okay so I just need a sorted version that sorts the lines by amount of characters

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idk how to do that

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:33 PM

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can you import the ligatures from like linja sike or something?

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it sounds like using jan Ke Tami's text file isn't actually a time saver

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:33 PM

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no bc linja sike doesn't have UCSUR codepoints or the names that I used for the glyphs

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:34 PM

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loud jetty it sounds like using jan Ke Tami's text file isn't actually a time saver

it might be if I can just sort the lines by number of whatevers

loud jetty Jan 19, 2023, 4:34 PM

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hmm maybe you can just google this and there's a dedicated web page for it, covered in ads

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that's how I solve half the problems I have with text files

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:35 PM

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found something online

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oh wait I'm deleting that it's like, spam

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okay success

cinder wyvern Jan 19, 2023, 4:35 PM

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I could have given you a newly sorted file 😄

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pona

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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https://www.browserling.com/tools/line-length-sort <@&587034472898101250> pls pin this lmao I'll need to reference it

Sort Lines by Length - Length Sorter - Online - Browserling Web Dev...

Useful, free online tool that sorts lines of text and strings by their length. No ads, nonsense, or garbage, just a line sorter. Press a button – get the result.

simple sequoia Jan 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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rough drum https://www.browserling.com/tools/line-length-sort <@&587034472898101250> pls pi...

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there u go x

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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thanks suwi o
xoxo

hard otter Jan 19, 2023, 4:36 PM

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😳

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:37 PM

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😳

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oh now all of the kulupu pali are in this channel oops

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don't feel bad about it tbh they deserve to be here

hard otter Jan 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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better be on your best behaviro

agile barn Jan 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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ima say a bad word

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"papa"

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:38 PM

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me too

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oh I was gonna say an actual slur

hard otter Jan 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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no slurs!

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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okay,

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you QUEER

hard otter Jan 19, 2023, 4:39 PM

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❤️

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:41 PM

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bassoon

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:41 PM

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io sono il fagotto

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ban me

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for saying bassoon in italian

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:(

dense inlet Jan 19, 2023, 4:42 PM

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-bhan "lipamanka for saying bassoon in italian"

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oh we arent in mante

hard otter Jan 19, 2023, 4:44 PM

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get a better instrument to say

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:44 PM

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okay, feygele

hard otter Jan 19, 2023, 4:46 PM

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ummm no im a soko now not a waso...

rough drum Jan 19, 2023, 4:47 PM

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but ur a feygele right

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it's yiddish for "gay /slur"

agile barn Jan 19, 2023, 5:27 PM

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bassoon in italian

knotty widget Jan 19, 2023, 5:33 PM

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I unpinned like a second after I pinned it, but there is no unpin announcement

knotty widget Jan 19, 2023, 5:33 PM

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knotty widget I unpinned like a second after I pinned it, but there is no unpin announcement

tepid leafBOT Jan 19, 2023, 5:33 PM

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o lukin

true stone Jan 19, 2023, 6:27 PM

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a

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pona

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 3:39 AM

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<@&811644330770301008> update: soon cartouches will work lol

zenith herald Jan 20, 2023, 3:40 AM

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Is the name to linja sike changing or am I dumb?

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 3:40 AM

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ye

zenith herald Jan 20, 2023, 3:40 AM

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Oh

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 3:40 AM

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well no I just started making a new font ig

real bough Jan 20, 2023, 3:40 AM

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~~putting the cartouche before the horseourche~~

zenith herald Jan 20, 2023, 3:40 AM

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Ahh

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 3:41 AM

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real bough ~~putting the cartouche before the horseourche~~

LOL

zenith herald Jan 20, 2023, 3:43 AM

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IT WAS A HORSE /ref

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 4:09 AM

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@cinder wyvern hey can u generate something 4 me

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I need all the pu words in order seperated by a space with "Tok" at the end

agile barn Jan 20, 2023, 4:13 AM

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yeay

agile olive Jan 20, 2023, 4:15 AM

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aTok akesiTok alaTok alasaTok aleTok anpaTok anteTok anuTok awenTok eTok enTok esunTok ijoTok ikeTok iloTok insaTok jakiTok janTok jeloTok joTok kalaTok kalamaTok kamaTok kasiTok kenTok kepekenTok kiliTok kiwenTok koTok konTok kuleTok kulupuTok kuteTok laTok lapeTok lasoTok lawaTok lenTok leteTok liTok liliTok linjaTok lipuTok lojeTok lonTok lukaTok lukinTok lupaTok maTok mamaTok maniTok meliTok miTok mijeTok mokuTok moliTok monsiTok muTok munTok musiTok muteTok nanpaTok nasaTok nasinTok nenaTok niTok nimiTok nokaTok oTok olinTok onaTok openTok pakalaTok paliTok palisaTok panTok panaTok piTok pilinTok pimejaTok piniTok pipiTok pokaTok pokiTok ponaTok puTok samaTok seliTok seloTok semeTok sewiTok sijeloTok sikeTok sinTok sinaTok sinpinTok sitelenTok sonaTok soweliTok suliTok sunoTok supaTok suwiTok tanTok tasoTok tawaTok teloTok tenpoTok tokiTok tomoTok tuTok unpaTok utaTok utalaTok waloTok wanTok wasoTok wawaTok wekaTok wileTok

pearl portal Jan 20, 2023, 4:16 AM

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rough drum I need all the pu words in order seperated by a space with "Tok" at the end

for the future if you have notepad++ you can do this with find and replace set to extended mode, \r\n → Tok\r\n

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 4:16 AM

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sina wawARR

paper grove Jan 20, 2023, 4:53 AM

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strongly disagree with myself from two weeks ago. linja lipamanka is awesome

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 4:58 AM

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true

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 5:21 AM

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hey bird how readable is this

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ignore the open at the beginning

real bough Jan 20, 2023, 6:40 AM

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~~where else would open be~~

cinder wyvern Jan 20, 2023, 8:24 AM

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line height seems small to me?

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 2:20 PM

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i can’t change that lol

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at least not in this preview window

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to my knowledge

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@stable trench if i can do that then lmk i might need to for cartouches

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 2:46 PM

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honestly

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adding the glyphs one by one isn’t a huge deal

native trench Jan 20, 2023, 3:00 PM

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wow knowing where the sentence breaks are is surprisingly easy

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 3:52 PM

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ikr

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:05 PM

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okay I found a solution...

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to the thing last night

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I make a copy of every single base glyph with whatever thing .copy suffix thing added to it

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if it already has a suffex it just adds .copy to the end

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so I have all the base glyphs, and then I have all the base glyphs but copied

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so I can copy and paste from there into a new range of alt glyphs to make composites because it'll copy the composite instead of the contours with just normal ctrl+c

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which is GREAT

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to be clear this copied ranges thing won’t be like, actually used in the font

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in fact i will try to remove it from the font to make the font file smaller bc it’s gonna be a huge font file lol

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basically just a pallet of every glyph but i’m copying that version of it instead of the contours

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<@&811644330770301008> heya streaming now 👍 come watch me stream !

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DO IT

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I'm like sleepy

marble vessel Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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eeming?

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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so I'm acting funny

simple sequoia Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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sorry im being hot rn 😔 its a full time job

marble vessel Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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eamstray?

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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WOAH HYDRATION IS GREAT

keen yew Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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anyone Screaming

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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me now

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I'm just Too Impulsive to not screem randomly

keen yew Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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thats good though

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:25 PM

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ye

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u should join and hear me screaming

keen yew Jan 20, 2023, 10:26 PM

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probabbly wont my headphones r fucked and my mic can randomly start screaming at people which is rlly unpleasant for them

agile barn Jan 20, 2023, 10:27 PM

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im calling my partner right now 😎

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:27 PM

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ooo true okay

simple sequoia Jan 20, 2023, 10:39 PM

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this pub is too busy for me to keep up with the conversation lmao

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 10:51 PM

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aw

rough drum Jan 20, 2023, 11:25 PM

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<@&811644330770301008> ligatures and cartouches work! nothing new besides that

📎 linjalipamanka-normal.ttf

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@dusk imp @stable trench

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if you enjoy my fontmaking make sure to support @knotty widget on ko-fi

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I mean

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me

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https://ko-fi.com/lipamanka

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loud jetty Jan 20, 2023, 11:35 PM

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everyone give lipamanka three dollars 🐮🐮🐮

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 12:47 AM

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WHAT NO

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I FIXED IT

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CARTOUCHE SAMPLE TEXT

vestal vault Jan 21, 2023, 12:53 AM

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when your own font laughs at you for your mistake /lh

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 12:57 AM

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yuihjikofdgjsfad fso true

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 12:58 AM

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[] imo

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 12:58 AM

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<@&811644330770301008> what text would you like to input for it to become a cartouche? like [] works but what else anything elese?

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like yeah

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[] works

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but

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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hmm it might be best to just leave it there

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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what if it was likeother thing? idk

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okay

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what about for pi extender thing

keen yew Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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what is the current one

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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pi and iq

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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pi () like that?

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FUCK

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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pi like that with no space could be good

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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or pi() like that

wooden flame Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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rough drum WHAT NO

what app do you use

keen yew Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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pi() feels better

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 12:59 AM

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if people start using a different sitelen in your font, they'll expect it in other fonts, and then everything will feel a little more broken
so I like [] taso

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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wooden flame what app do you use

ojuta

vestal vault Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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try interpunct on cartouches

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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loud jetty if people start using a different sitelen in your font, they'll expect it in oth...

actually this is really smart

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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OH I HAVE NOT ADDED THE INTERPUNCT

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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vestal vault try interpunct on cartouches

oh yeah we need this

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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WHOOPSIES

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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• is this an interpunct

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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okay putting a . in a cartouche will automatically default it to middot

wooden flame Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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rough drum ojuta

I know what ojuta is. i also know it was made by candice

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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ok nice that works

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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and same with :

vestal vault Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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nice

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 1:00 AM

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wooden flame I know what ojuta is. i also know it was made by candice

o tawa ma Masina

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:01 AM

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wooden flame I know what ojuta is. i also know it was made by candice

who is candice

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I dare you

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say it

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 1:01 AM

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Yarko

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:01 AM

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get banned

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mine too report_this_post_to_mods

wooden flame Jan 21, 2023, 1:01 AM

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rough drum who is candice

just the person who works at deez

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:02 AM

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what's deez

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/genq

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 1:02 AM

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deez kili ma

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:02 AM

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I have four report report_message report_this_post_to_mods ready

tepid leafBOT Jan 21, 2023, 1:03 AM

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The ma ante one works on ma pona apparently

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:03 AM

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yep

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whoops

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fuck

white cove Jan 21, 2023, 1:03 AM

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@rough drum good work! we caught the ban evader this time!

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:03 AM

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thaks

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join vc

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we're having a fun time

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SO TRUE

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 1:05 AM

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rough drum we're having a fun time

you're not in vc liar

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:05 AM

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yes I am

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 1:05 AM

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we’re just in another server

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 1:05 AM

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secret vc in kama sona

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anyway here's the fucking

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k has a smily face in it

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because fucK you

indigo prairie Jan 21, 2023, 1:06 AM

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i support this

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 1:06 AM

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rough drum secret vc in kama sona

how am i gonna join it then :(

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 1:07 AM

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join a vc and we will 🛸 e sina

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 1:07 AM

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mi sowéli

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,,hm

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it says disconnected and i can't hear anypony

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but i can see factorio

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 1:09 AM

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pakala

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 1:09 AM

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android legacy is fun

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nbd though

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 1:54 AM

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rough drum <@&811644330770301008> what text would you like to input for it to become a cart...

i already asked for this but () for cartouches would be nice so I don't have to go to the <>>€£ keyboard (i'm on iOS)

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is it technically possible to do cartouches with mu mu (mu mu) but also extended pi with mu mu pi (mu mu) ?

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like using parentheses for both i mean

lapis loom Jan 21, 2023, 2:07 AM

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() isn't only used to extend pi, so it's likely to break those glyphs

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 2:11 AM

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distant maple like using parentheses for both i mean

it’s possible if it’s written as pi(mu mu) i think

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so pi (mu mu) results in

misty lanternBOT Jan 21, 2023, 2:12 AM

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native trench Jan 21, 2023, 2:12 AM

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and pi(mu mu) results in

misty lanternBOT Jan 21, 2023, 2:13 AM

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distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 2:19 AM

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that would be sick yeah

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 2:23 AM

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rough drum or pi() like that

Both

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 2:24 AM

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native trench and pi(mu mu) results in

Oh well
I'd need to pay attention to the space
But that's not the worst

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You'd have to have an extra way to do

misty lanternBOT Jan 21, 2023, 2:25 AM

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rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 3:18 AM

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native trench and pi(mu mu) results in

okay this seems good I think thonk

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 3:18 AM

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BABA_IS_TURN

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 3:19 AM

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BABA_HAS_GUN /neg

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(that message was a joke)

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 3:19 AM

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explode

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 3:26 AM

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misty lantern

:|

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alternatively 8|

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 4:53 AM

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linja lipamanka homestuck update coming next

true stone Jan 21, 2023, 6:32 AM

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when we started this I thought there wouldn't be so many messages,

tepid leafBOT Jan 21, 2023, 7:17 AM

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the channel just goes on fucking forever,,
sorry but after over an hour I'll have to stop it with 🙂 reacts lakwijons

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:17 AM

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wait you’ve been reacting them to every fucking message??

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the amusement of that completely outweighs how it’s a bit annoying fjsjlsjfjsjf that’s so funny

tepid leafBOT Jan 21, 2023, 7:18 AM

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yeah... lol

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(every message, from you specifically)

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:19 AM

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yes

fast knot Jan 21, 2023, 8:24 AM

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🙂 glyph in linja lipamanka

tepid leafBOT Jan 21, 2023, 8:48 AM

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THIS

steady cape Jan 21, 2023, 2:45 PM

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extremely late to the party re: make cartouche, but it would be very interesting to have a font (maybe not this one) that auto-cartouches capitalized words, so instead of "toki [ike nasa lili ike]" it could be something like "toki Ike Nasa Lili Ike"

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oh, I retract my interest, doesn't allow for multi-cartouches in a row (not common at all, and possibly very ike, but I'm sure somebody does it somewhere)

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:08 PM

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steady cape oh, I retract my interest, doesn't allow for multi-cartouches in a row (not comm...

@cinder wyvern pi nimi tu li seme pilin tan ni?

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 3:09 PM

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mi wile e nimi tu a

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:10 PM

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i kinda like the idea. maybe put in an invisible character that starts a new cartouche

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 3:10 PM

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steady cape extremely late to the party re: make cartouche, but it would be very interesting...

spp and lpp (on the same basis) does that - I have no idea why multiple cartouches in a row wouldn't work?

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:11 PM

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I think this is a different idea from that

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spp will auto-cartouche "waso Keli"
they're talking about auto-cartouching "waso Kasi Esun Lete Ilo"

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 3:13 PM

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a!

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I mean
That could just mean adding an interruption character

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:13 PM

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but it would be sick to be able to make a good looking cartouche with just "jan Kiwen En (invisible new cartouche character) Tomo Anu Mi Insa" tho

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:14 PM

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I would find it harder to press Shift a bunch of times than to press [] twice

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:14 PM

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nasin mute o ken!

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 3:14 PM

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Double space to stop the cartouche and allow for a new one to begin could work, but that's just one idea

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:15 PM

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Shift seems easier on iOS, [] seems easier on "real computer"

steady cape Jan 21, 2023, 3:15 PM

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cinder wyvern Double space to stop the cartouche and allow for a new one to begin could work, ...

ken

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:16 PM

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cinder wyvern Double space to stop the cartouche and allow for a new one to begin could work, ...

honestly yeah that too

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the more ways to do it, the easier it will be for more people

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the fewer people doing this out of laziness:

misty lanternBOT Jan 21, 2023, 3:18 PM

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distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:19 PM

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steady cape extremely late to the party re: make cartouche, but it would be very interesting...

ni la some way of making this happen sounds based

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:25 PM

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unmarked morae despair

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:26 PM

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~~bask in its glory~~

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:26 PM

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just put one dot at the beginning if you're so intent on avoiding them

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:27 PM

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yeah •[kepijona]• or something doesn't seem too bad

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:27 PM

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no like

misty lanternBOT Jan 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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that applies the dot to everything in the cartouche

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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that's not bad either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 3:29 PM

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it's a convention, so it's more likely to be understood by people without them having to reread your name 4 times

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:30 PM

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misty lantern

oh huh, i've never seen this done before

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 3:30 PM

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i think i told you about it a while ago

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during a bird interaction #912286596517220363 message

distant maple Jan 21, 2023, 3:31 PM

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mm yes :/

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i mean i've never seen it actually done, most people are happy with ken • pi • jo • nasa •

tepid leafBOT Jan 21, 2023, 3:32 PM

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the fact that a Worse system is slowly sprouting from my system made to make the bad system good is smth i should just not care about but gods is it annoying

ilo Linku ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1053850152932233266 message)

real bough Jan 21, 2023, 3:43 PM

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I still want to do

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~~and if folks are intent on calling me akesi kon Nlsn out of spite, that's a price I'm willing to pay~~

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 3:45 PM

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That's more of a personal glyph anyway

dense inlet Jan 21, 2023, 4:02 PM

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ive realized that i made my name glyph not to mean Temi and go into a cartouche, but to mean mu Temi as a whole thonk

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 4:22 PM

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mi tu

dense inlet Jan 21, 2023, 4:38 PM

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tepid leaf the channel just goes on fucking forever,, sorry but after over an hour I'll hav...

#1053850152932233266 message heres where you left off in case you ever decide to Resume

true stone Jan 21, 2023, 5:11 PM

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a a thanks

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 5:44 PM

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steady cape extremely late to the party re: make cartouche, but it would be very interesting...

that sounds pretty doable actually

glass snow Jan 21, 2023, 5:44 PM

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woa

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 5:47 PM

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steady cape oh, I retract my interest, doesn't allow for multi-cartouches in a row (not comm...

lol misread this and got reminded of mini cartouches which . i’m gonna have to implement lol i mean

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:18 PM

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extended pi will SOON BE SUPPORTED

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@keen yew are u excited

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trying to figure shit out

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opentype is COMPLICATED

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WHY AREN'T THEY COMBINING

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@stable trench help meeeee

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:25 PM

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houh whuh

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cn you screem shot the whole window

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so i can see wjats doing on

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:26 PM

#

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I also have this as a single substitution

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if you want I can hop on vc

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:30 PM

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this is sk so weiorge

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is it in the same table as /p /i > /piTok

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OHHH i see yeah thats the problem

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:31 PM

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OH

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IT NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT TABLE

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:31 PM

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yeah

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:31 PM

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🙏

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very helpful

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anything about order I should know

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like which table goes first

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(wow that was. pretty obvious. damn)

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:31 PM

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you can change order in the left most thingy

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panel

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i think

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:32 PM

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okay cool

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I'm gonna just use the code editor it's easier

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:33 PM

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also i use rlig instead of liga

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j think that suits better for the specific thingy

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tfucntio

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:34 PM

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this should wrok

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:34 PM

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stable trench also i use rlig instead of liga

oh what's the diff between rlig

steady cape Jan 21, 2023, 7:34 PM

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You can do it, lipamanka o!

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:34 PM

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skldfsjdlkfs

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thanks 4 cheering me on

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:35 PM

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liga < standard ligature. things like fi ff
rlig < required ligature, something that's required like arabic l+a forming the ligature

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:35 PM

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OH

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TRUE

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okay

steady cape Jan 21, 2023, 7:35 PM

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(useless at computers despite being in IT, best I can do)

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:35 PM

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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/features_ae

Registered features, a-e (OpenType 1.9) - Typography

Registered features, definitions and implementations, a-e (OpenType 1.9)

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read all features here

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:35 PM

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is this all I need to change

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:35 PM

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yhink so

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:36 PM

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wooo

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:36 PM

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wait isnt ligature1 supposed to be after logature2

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since it references ligated glyohs

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:36 PM

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oh

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lsdkjfslkdj

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okay that's what I was asking about before lksdjf

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 7:37 PM

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aweome

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:37 PM

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still not working...

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D:

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OH

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I NEED LIGATURE2 TO BE UNDER SINGLE SUBSTITUTION

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IT WORKED

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@stable trench thank u

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@sturdy marlin do you remember what the difference between contStartTok and contStartCombTok were

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I have them both but I forget what the difference is idk if you remember or not

dense inlet Jan 21, 2023, 7:43 PM

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fonts are too complicated why cant i just say words

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:44 PM

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lol

dense inlet Jan 21, 2023, 7:46 PM

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lipamanka can i show you the rainbow stairs at the cottage im at !

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:48 PM

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ye

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pls

dense inlet Jan 21, 2023, 7:48 PM

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i ran around stimming for like 15 minutes while people were trying to sleep after i found these

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 7:49 PM

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supa kule

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:49 PM

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woahhhh

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whic is better @dusk imp

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<@&811644330770301008> I wanna know what y'all think too

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if I'm being honest idk if I like either

quiet plaza Jan 21, 2023, 7:59 PM

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i don't like either

vivid drum Jan 21, 2023, 7:59 PM

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the li looks skewed but i cant tell if it actually is

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also tbh i can't really tell the difference between them

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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very overspaced

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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yes

quiet plaza Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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vivid drum the li looks skewed but i cant tell if it actually is

nice_lookingup

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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i know you're doing monospace but

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but

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consider

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bispace

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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sdjfkslfj

pearl portal Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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where both the start and end of the pi are exactly half a glyph

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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I actually did consider that but I wanna know what the bird has to say

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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dislike both tbh

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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I'm not a fan of long pi in general, but I prefer the second one

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:00 PM

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I like the start of the pi

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I don't like the end

agile barn Jan 21, 2023, 8:01 PM

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yeah the start isn't too bad but i use spaces to mark different sentences

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so this will look confusing to many readers of my texts

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:01 PM

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but if every time this shows up there's always gonna be a start AND end of pi, they could each be half width

paper grove Jan 21, 2023, 8:01 PM

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pearl portal where both the start and end of the `pi` are exactly half a glyph

i did that in nasin leko suwi

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 8:01 PM

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I changed my mind, I like the first one better

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there's a fullwidth ijo where the word "pi" goes, and no fullwidth ijo where there's nothing pronounced

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nnnn

wispy rock Jan 21, 2023, 8:03 PM

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Tbh bispace could work for tokipona

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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hm

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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keep it monospaced, don't give into the temptation

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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option three

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idk about the end

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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pi should be a full width glyph

wispy rock Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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End a liiiittle too long

bronze wraith Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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loud jetty pi should be a full width glyph

isolated pi, sure. not long pi

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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wispy rock Jan 21, 2023, 8:04 PM

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And idk why we Must Go Monospace

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:05 PM

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if it's not monospace it looks bad lol

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 8:05 PM

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monospaced is more legible, and making an exception for pi is making a legibility exception

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:05 PM

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maybe

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 8:05 PM

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tenpo kulupu li kama la mi tawa

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linja pona

cinder wyvern Jan 21, 2023, 8:06 PM

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isn't the, uh, evolution of extended pi a variant on pi combined with the next word?

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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how's this working

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:07 PM

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cinder wyvern isn't the, uh, evolution of extended pi a variant on pi combined with the next w...

I think so

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idk though

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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rough drum how's this working

this is still kind of monospaced. pi start is 75% of one glyph and pi end is 25%

paper grove Jan 21, 2023, 8:08 PM

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pona lukin a

feral wind Jan 21, 2023, 8:09 PM

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looks great

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:11 PM

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okay so it should definitely be spaced more out ly but here's a sample text with the pi in it

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@stable trench how can I increase the line spacing? is there a specific metric?

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:12 PM

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yes

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metrics are so fucked up

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:12 PM

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sdkfsjldjf true

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:12 PM

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its so outdated and the format just has to qork around it

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so

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:12 PM

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stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:13 PM

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nag no thtere

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:13 PM

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okay

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:13 PM

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go to font properties

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master > click on default scroll down

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youll see vertical metrics

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:13 PM

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here?

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ah

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is it virtical typo line gap?

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:14 PM

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yea but above that

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ok so

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you probably have to set all of them

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:15 PM

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okay

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:15 PM

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but the way u do it is convoluted causw old format

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hold on

steady cape Jan 21, 2023, 8:15 PM

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I think the pi seems very odd as a full character width. I think the spacing between the characters is slightly too w i d e for my liking (at least with a line spacing in this proportion and similar). It leads to some glyphs like la looking very isolated and interrupts my reading flow. Different readers may have drastically different reading preferences tho.

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:15 PM

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okay

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thinking about this tbh

stable trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:17 PM

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rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:21 PM

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okay this is what I did

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seems to work

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hm no I gotta give it more space

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maybe this is too much...

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this seems good?

native trench Jan 21, 2023, 8:26 PM

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what if pi gets 0 width

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so jan pi kasi mute aligns with jan kasi mute

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this is what i do in my handwriting

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this font generally has a lot of space around glyphs so i think it will work well

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:28 PM

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that looks really cramped lol

fast knot Jan 21, 2023, 8:29 PM

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simply break the entire monospace design for one character /j

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:29 PM

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this is what people seem to be telling me to do?

fast knot Jan 21, 2023, 8:29 PM

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oh

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i think it looks good how it is

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:32 PM

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not good enough I need bird aproval

tawdry shale Jan 21, 2023, 8:44 PM

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rough drum this seems good?

(regarding the second and third lines)
I feel like the leftmost vertical stroke that starts the pi (second line) should be aligned with the leftmost vertical stroke that starts the cartouche (thrid line), as it is right now the pi starts "before" the cartouche (it is to the left of it)

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if this is something intentional that you've already talked about, mi pakala

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 8:45 PM

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I haven't really thought much about it

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but I agree I think they should be aligned

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but I gotta figure out what to do about the spacing because I do NOT WANT to do the fucking nonmonospaced pi

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but I also can't find a monospaced version so far that people like

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so I'm waiting for the bird to tell mewhat to do sdklfjsl

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 10:09 PM

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waso ante la
the vertical stroke of both long pi and cartouche should be centered

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 10:34 PM

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i agree!

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in fact that’s what i have rn

loud jetty Jan 21, 2023, 10:41 PM

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a I misunderstood

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I've already opined on the other thing

rough drum Jan 21, 2023, 10:49 PM

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ah i see

tepid leafBOT Jan 22, 2023, 1:15 AM

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why's the long pi super curvy

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anyway no spacing at the end is the best version imo

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i used to like the half half thing but it makes big texts with lots of long pis in it look badly spaced

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 3:07 AM

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tepid leaf anyway no spacing at the end is the best version imo

okay that’s kind of what i was going for

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 3:07 AM

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tepid leaf i used to like the half half thing but it makes big texts with lots of long pis ...

that’s what i was thinking

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because the good thing about monospacing that makes it easy to read is that it’s grid

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which makes it super easy to read

loud jetty Jan 22, 2023, 3:12 AM

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the 🙂 on every message makes it harder to read this thread

true stone Jan 22, 2023, 3:14 AM

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a mi ken pini ni

loud jetty Jan 22, 2023, 3:21 AM

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pona tawa sina

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 4:35 AM

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yeah it was funny tho

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:07 AM

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I have decided to go with this because having everything monospaced makes it easy to read because everything slots in vertically

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it looks good imo

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I could maybe improve it by doing a LOT of extra work and adding a whole extra set of alternates but NO >:( not doing that not gonna overwork myself

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you can do this too

abstract solstice Jan 22, 2023, 7:11 AM

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Rare noka container glyph

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:11 AM

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TRUE TRUE

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wow

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... am I going to make two seperate sets of alternates just so that there isn't a sharp edge there ...

tepid tuskBOT Jan 22, 2023, 7:12 AM

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rough drum ... am I going to make two seperate sets of alternates just so that there isn't ...

Note am I going to make two seperate sets of alternates just so that there isn't a sharp edge there ... was not found.

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:17 AM

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basically for the sake of legibility, nothing is more important than monospacing imo

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well. after the glyphs being recognizable

real bough Jan 22, 2023, 7:18 AM

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same reason I went with monospace for my font

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:21 AM

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pona a!

keen yew Jan 22, 2023, 7:25 AM

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real bough same reason I went with monospace for my font

what's your font?

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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it's for a different writing system

keen yew Jan 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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ahhh

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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also for toki pona though

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also nice to see you active on this server

real bough Jan 22, 2023, 7:27 AM

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#pali-musi message

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:28 AM

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okay <@&811644330770301008> the next update will come out tomorrow probably (or like after that idk) and will have the following:

all pu words
all ku words
cartouches
pi extender (and also extender versions of a bunch of other words like lon, kijetesantakalu, pipi, awen, etc)
am I forgetting anything else important for UCSUR OH RIGHT COMBINING GLYPHS no . I'm not adding those yet LMAO

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these glyphs have been redid somewhat (lanpan is smaller, misikeke is long and skinny to better resemble a capsul)

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(n is not different lol)

agile barn Jan 22, 2023, 7:53 AM

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tysm for all this hard work

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:56 AM

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agile barn tysm for all this hard work

if u would like you could support me on ko-fi and then i would have some money

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that would be pretty cool

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roadmap: adding combining glyphs like Eventually. gonna add the stacking ones first bc those don’t need anchors

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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imma make a font and steal all of your ko-fi business like a real capitalism

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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i mean

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it wouldn’t be as good as mine

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tbh

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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I made so many fonts though

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all of them excellent

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also a new one for the next mun pi ante toki

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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for sitelen pona?

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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nah

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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didn’t think so

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but ur latin fonts are good

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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😊

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now imma steal money tho

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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nah

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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I wouldn't, I don't really need more money

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unless it's funds for organizing events, then money is useful

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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u could give me more money i kind of need some more money

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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true

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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i’m running out of instant ramen

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and i have linja lipamanka plus that book

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that i’m writing

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and i have to put out a survey for that

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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how good is that instant ramen?

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that's important, I need to make sure you eat well

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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it’s the good stuff

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and i have stuff i add to it like preserved meat and nuts and dried fruits and also dried veggies (well less of those)

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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sounds good

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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okay giv me mu y

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/desperate /begging

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20% if proceeds go to @knotty widget in need

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if he lets me

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ko-fi is in pins /manipulation /please

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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I need to get home first and buy some groceries to be able to survive the upcoming week

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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o survive pona

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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so if I don't remind me later ™️

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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get some cherries 🍒

agile barn Jan 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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oh wait

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heads up @rough drum this is in the upcoming rule change

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thought you'd like to know that the kulupu pali li wile LAWA e JAN ALE li OWE

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mi musi taso

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i actually am a little bit of a fan of this change because I used to rely on tone tags

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but also lipamanka you're always good about being clear about when you're joking jtlyk. you do a good job of it

bold inlet Jan 22, 2023, 8:30 AM

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Is it okay to do this /srs /j

agile barn Jan 22, 2023, 8:31 AM

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prolly not in the upcoming change

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so get them out while you still can

steady cape Jan 22, 2023, 12:51 PM

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Will there be an empty character for sentence separation? The padding of the characters seems too wide imo. Having it monospaced works well, but most of the glyphs are built tall, rather than wide or square, so it feels like their grid spaces ought to be more of a vertical rectangle. Even the widest characters wouldn't be super impacted by changing that geometry because their wideness would be compensated for naturally by the narrowness of most other characters. It may also resolve the perceived strangeness of the full space pi.

tepid leafBOT Jan 22, 2023, 1:07 PM

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narrowing the glyphs would make the wide glyphs (like nimi) be Tiny though

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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agile barn but also lipamanka you're always good about being clear about when you're joking...

ye i think so too

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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steady cape Will there be an empty character for sentence separation? The padding of the ch...

there will be a space yeah

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but the spacing is staying the way it is

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:00 PM

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<@&811644330770301008> stream ing time

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if my fucking computer will let me connect to the voice chat

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okay it only let me connect to toki uta lili?

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and the toki pona taso ones

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OH it's bc of tpt day right

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okay one sec I am gonna restart my laptop

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fuck it toki pona taso stream

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mi kama toki pona taso e pali mi

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o kama o kute e toki pona taso

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a ilo mi li kama pakala

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mi sona ala e tan

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 7:27 PM

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@native trench

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:04 PM

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ni li jan Sonje

keen yew Jan 22, 2023, 8:05 PM

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jan Vriska li lon seme

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:06 PM

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keen yew Jan 22, 2023, 8:07 PM

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jan Vriska li pona tawa ale

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:18 PM

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linja lipamanka update: check sona kulupu

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:42 PM

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<@&811644330770301008> UCSUR support not including combining characters, but yes including middot and colon! also it's a ligature font and period -> middot, use () directly after pi or lon and put words inside it for extenders, and [] for cartouches (middot and colon supported in cartouches!)

📎 linjalipamanka-normal.ttf

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if anyone wants one without ligatures I can send that too but I won't if people don't want that

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@stable trench @dusk imp

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sdfgghfsgf

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it will fuck up your things lol

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you won't be able to read anythign except toki pona

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make sure to delete the ligature and single substitution feature files lol 👍

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 8:51 PM

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quick test
hmmm

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doesn't work with UCSUR (grey) nor with ligatures (white)?

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:52 PM

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what software are you using

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does it support chaning substitutions

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 8:53 PM

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browser
should, yeah, works for other fonts

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:53 PM

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huh.

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nasa

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you typed in ma [kasi alasa nasin awen telo a] right

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 8:54 PM

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it's in UCSUR codepoints, so one is with cartouche extenders and one is without extenders

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:55 PM

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if the white one is ligatures then did you type in toki [ale] and pi(ale a)

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 8:55 PM

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yep

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:55 PM

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I haven't tested with the codepoints in the font sofware so idk about those but the ligature version should work because it works when I test it thonk

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oh huh I tested it and it doesn't work thonk

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 8:56 PM

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I'll reload in a bit, just got home

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 8:57 PM

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okay hm

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<@&811644330770301008> sorry about that this one should work better lol

📎 linjalipamanka-normal.ttf

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thanks for the tests jan Ke Tami

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I fixed it

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:03 PM

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no change

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but maybe I loaded it wrong

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 9:04 PM

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oh?

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hm

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:04 PM

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loaded it wrong
it works

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 9:04 PM

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📎 linjalipamanka-normal.ttf

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:05 PM

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the pi with the extension character is empty, interesting

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 9:07 PM

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oh it works

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 9:08 PM

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cinder wyvern the pi with the extension character is empty, interesting

wdym

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:08 PM

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󱤑󱥍󱦗󱥔󱤼󱦘
works

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󱤑󱦓󱦗󱥔󱦔󱤼󱦔󱦘
doesn't work

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uh

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like
there is a workaround for non-opentype environment in UCSUR

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pi extension

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:11 PM

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cinder wyvern 󱤑󱦓󱦗󱥔󱦔󱤼󱦔󱦘 doesn't work

In case it's needed, these are:
F1911 SITELEN PONA IDEOGRAPH JAN
F1993 SITELEN PONA START OF LONG PI
F1997 SITELEN PONA START OF LONG GLYPH
F1954 SITELEN PONA IDEOGRAPH PONA
F1994 SITELEN PONA COMBINING LONG PI EXTENSION
F193C SITELEN PONA IDEOGRAPH MUTE
F1994 SITELEN PONA COMBINING LONG PI EXTENSION
F1998 SITELEN PONA END OF LONG GLYPH

dense inlet Jan 22, 2023, 9:11 PM

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ah

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that scared me 😭

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:12 PM

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sorry

dense inlet Jan 22, 2023, 9:12 PM

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no its fine i thought it was funny

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:13 PM

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"jan"

dense inlet Jan 22, 2023, 9:14 PM

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some of these look really High Up

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 9:15 PM

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huh pona is high up..

dense inlet Jan 22, 2023, 9:15 PM

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anpa, kala, kalama, kepeken, meli, mu, pipi, pona, sewi, telo
are high up

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 9:18 PM

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sewi li sewi a a

lucid nymph Jan 22, 2023, 10:03 PM

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lipamanka o i am ill i havent been reading the pings is any of it urgent/requires response?

cinder wyvern Jan 22, 2023, 10:04 PM

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no
just new versions of the font

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 10:04 PM

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ye

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/updates

keen yew Jan 22, 2023, 10:04 PM

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/updates tone tag

rough drum Jan 22, 2023, 10:05 PM

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dfghjkljgfg

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 10:43 PM

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what's the updates tone

pearl portal Jan 22, 2023, 10:49 PM

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indigo tendon what's the updates tone

pishifat voice

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 10:49 PM

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I don't know that

pearl portal Jan 22, 2023, 10:53 PM

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https://youtu.be/6cEH13V9STE

YouTube

osu!

lazer updates - July 31, 2022

read the full changelog: https://osu.ppy.sh/home/changelog/lazer/2022.731.1

peppy and pishifat walk through some of the most recent changes in lazer!

try it for yourself: https://github.com/ppy/osu#running-osu
lazer is the next major update to osu!. learn about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut_SOreClcc

▶ Play video

indigo tendon Jan 22, 2023, 10:57 PM

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I see

lucid nymph Jan 22, 2023, 11:34 PM

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sorry lipamanka i fell asleep did i miss anything (joke)

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 12:05 AM

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lol

agile barn Jan 23, 2023, 5:33 PM

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will we still have the soweli+suwi and similar in linja Lipamanka?

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:34 PM

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EK.?D;O[D'/D]

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 5:34 PM

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yes

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:34 PM

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fuck

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 5:34 PM

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100

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:35 PM

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my friend typed that (what a troller!) i was going to delete it immediately but you responded within 0.04 microsecond

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 5:35 PM

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i see

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:36 PM

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anyway. linja lipamanka

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 5:38 PM

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wawa

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:38 PM

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last night i spent like an hour trying to install either betterdiscord or powercord so i could see the funny font

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i did not see the funny font.

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 5:39 PM

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you can just use it on your computer it’s not just a discord thing

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:40 PM

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i mean i wanted to use it on discord

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 5:41 PM

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aw i’m sorry it didn’t work out then

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 5:43 PM

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yeah but i think i know what to do to get it to work once i'm able to try again

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 9:05 PM

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rough drum

<@&587034472898101250> can you pin this and unpin the other one

indigo tendon Jan 23, 2023, 9:06 PM

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rough drum

knotty widget Jan 23, 2023, 9:06 PM

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rough drum <@&587034472898101250> can you pin this and unpin the other one

indigo tendon Jan 23, 2023, 9:06 PM

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first

tepid leafBOT Jan 23, 2023, 9:06 PM

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nuh uh, different message 😛

hard otter Jan 23, 2023, 9:07 PM

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📌

rough drum Jan 23, 2023, 9:09 PM

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fuck

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what's going on

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@stable trench help me despair

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mi wilenini li pali ala a!~ seme mi wile pali e ijo a


o 
tan seme la ni li nasa
tan seme la ni li PALI ALA
ijo



ijo



ijo lskdjflksj
slkdjf
sldkfjlksjdflksjdflkjsldfkjslkdfjlksjdflkjlkjlkjlkjslfdkjllskdjflkjsdflkjsdflkjsdflkjsdflkjsdflkjsdlfkjsldkjflskjdflksjdflkjsdflkjsflkjflskjdflksdjflskdjflskjdflksdjfljslksdfjlksjdflkjsdkfjklikljkiljlsejisekjslejsleijseltijseltisjetlisjetlisjetlisjetlsjeikstjleitjseltijseltijselitjselitjsleitjsleitjsliejtslietjslietjsleitjleitjelitjseltijseltijseltijselitjseitjsleijtlisejtlseitjlsetijslteijlijtlsiejtlsiejtlsiejtlisetjlisejtlistjliseklsijsljetjlisjetsekisksteljsetjiklsetjiklsetjiklsetjiklsetjikljiklset```

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it's just not working lol.

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this is ANNOYING

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no literally

simple sequoia Jan 23, 2023, 9:28 PM

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so true

paper grove Jan 23, 2023, 9:52 PM

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hell yeah i got the font to display on discord

stable trench Jan 24, 2023, 2:16 AM

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rough drum <@472692106150805505> help me <:despair:827484568998117377>

your win ascent and descent values the difference beyween them they are too small i think

rough drum Jan 24, 2023, 2:16 AM

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OH I SEE

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@stable trench ?

stable trench Jan 24, 2023, 2:17 AM

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why linegap so big

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ohhh

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you swt normal ascender descender value to 0

rough drum Jan 24, 2023, 2:18 AM

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ah

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what should they be

rough drum Jan 24, 2023, 3:12 AM

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@stable trench D:

primal wind Jan 26, 2023, 4:46 AM

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ty!!

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there a good sample sentence or smth around

tepid leafBOT Jan 26, 2023, 6:28 AM

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too lazy to see if anyone's brought this up, the cartouches go too far up for discord to render

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 6:31 AM

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nobody’s brought that up but i think i know why

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it’s bc of the metrics i have

tepid leafBOT Jan 26, 2023, 6:36 AM

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actually everything's still too high up

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 6:39 AM

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skill issue

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actually no i think i just fucked up the metrics that’s all

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 6:40 AM

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rough drum what should they be

@stable trench

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@stable trench help me with metrics

stable trench Jan 26, 2023, 6:52 AM

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hlo

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holon

stable trench Jan 26, 2023, 7:01 AM

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rough drum <@472692106150805505>

ok so first thing ur gonna do

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ur baseline is at the bottom of your bounding box

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this is not ideal and will make your characters look like theyre floating

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so pull them down a bit using commands

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usually cjk types will have them near uh

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 7:01 AM

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hi i’m going to bed but i will follow these instructions tomorrow

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hyperfixation switching from book to font

stable trench Jan 26, 2023, 7:03 AM

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rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 7:04 AM

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okay this is actually pretty helpful

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 7:04 AM

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stable trench this is not ideal and will make your characters look like theyre floating

OH

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OH

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@dusk imp we figured it out

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it was my bad metrics

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this was all the same problem

tepid leafBOT Jan 26, 2023, 7:05 AM

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lol

stable trench Jan 26, 2023, 7:09 AM

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typo ascender: top of default bounding box
typo descender: bottom of default bounding box
typo line gap: sensible line gap height, i would personally make this at least (win ascent+ -win descent)-(typo ascender+ -typodescender)
win ascent: maximum height, round up
win descent: maximum depth, round down (these two act as bounding metrics for rendering, so if you dont make them big enough glyphs will be cut out)
ascender, descender, line gap < same as typo metrics

cap height: adequate cap height
x height: adequate x height

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 7:22 AM

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thank you!!!!

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i will send you money on ko fi for helping maybe??

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u deserve money

half sun Jan 26, 2023, 7:34 AM

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random but. the "tonsi (D:)" makes your computer seem transphobic and that's very funny to me

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 5:14 PM

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ikr

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 5:14 PM

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half sun random but. the "tonsi (D:)" makes your computer seem transphobic and that's ver...

i’m actually really transphobic fr

lapis loom Jan 26, 2023, 5:28 PM

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D:

rough drum Jan 26, 2023, 6:00 PM

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people who use they them pronouns more like

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really cool

paper grove Jan 26, 2023, 6:04 PM

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true as hell

split kernel Jan 26, 2023, 6:08 PM

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half sun random but. the "tonsi (D:)" makes your computer seem transphobic and that's ver...

no no its a :) with a big weird hat

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 4:27 AM

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okay with new metrics

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 4:30 AM

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round pi continues its reign...

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 4:33 AM

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round pi will be FIXED EVENTUALLY

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 4:34 AM

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😤

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 4:42 AM

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anyway <@&811644330770301008> new version of the font but I fixed the problems from before I think/hope

📎 linjalipamanka-normal.ttf

pearl portal Jan 27, 2023, 4:43 AM

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rough drum round pi will be FIXED EVENTUALLY

extra spiky pi when

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pi kiki

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ki

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wait nO

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 4:44 AM

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lol

lucid nymph Jan 27, 2023, 4:46 AM

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i like it. did you give me malware.

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 4:46 AM

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yes

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the opentype feature "rlig" is short for "removing loads in g-storage" which basically means that I'm removing everything in ur g storage on ur computer

lucid dew Jan 27, 2023, 4:54 AM

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whats a g storage

native trench Jan 27, 2023, 4:57 AM

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it’s where the computer’s hopes and dreams are

lucid dew Jan 27, 2023, 4:59 AM

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i cant let that happen

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 5:00 AM

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󱤌󱦐󱤌󱤌󱤌󱦑

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hm

lucid dew Jan 27, 2023, 5:00 AM

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how did you do the nothing message

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 5:00 AM

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okay yup it's fixed

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it's not nothing

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it's UCSUR

lucid dew Jan 27, 2023, 5:01 AM

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ah bruh i dont have ucsur on my phone

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 5:03 AM

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󱤁󱦐󱤧󱤎󱥍󱤆󱤰󱤀󱤾󱤘󱤄󱦑󱤧󱥵󱥧󱥉󱥆

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pls don't do actual nothing messages they fuck me up

native trench Jan 27, 2023, 5:03 AM

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there’s also a certain link you can send that makes the message zero lines long
but it doesn’t work on mobile i think

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a

vivid drum Jan 27, 2023, 5:06 AM

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Sounds like the stupid discord crap I've come to expect by now

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 5:13 AM

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hey can you send images with these @dusk imp

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like you were doing before

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bc I cannot see anythign klsjdflkj

cinder wyvern Jan 27, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Oh right, when I zoom in, it's fine

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oh interesting

distant maple Jan 27, 2023, 10:18 AM

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an imperfection!!

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nice find tho

distant maple Jan 27, 2023, 12:03 PM

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@rough drum o silly question. for proper adjectives in a pi-phrase, have you ever thought about combining the lines from extended-pi and the bottom of the cartouche?

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like this lmao

Screen_Shot_2023-01-27_at_7.12.57_AM.png

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 12:24 PM

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how it looks on my end

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 3:45 PM

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distant maple like this lmao

there will be a way to have smaller cartouches

half sun Jan 27, 2023, 5:05 PM

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tepid leaf how it looks on my end

ooh how do you get that to work?

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 5:08 PM

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cinder wyvern oh interesting

despair i tried to fix this lol..

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i think i need to autohint again that’s my problem

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 5:08 PM

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cinder wyvern

this will get fixed when i autohint

tepid leafBOT Jan 27, 2023, 5:11 PM

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crimes against discord

mun Kosomo (o @ tawa mi! ^^) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) ooh how do you get that to work?

pearl portal Jan 27, 2023, 5:21 PM

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half sun ooh how do you get that to work?

safest way is to rename the font to something like Helvetica Neue which is one of discord's default fallback fonts
easiest (and still pretty safe) way is to install openasar and add it to the css

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... ucsur

tepid tuskBOT Jan 27, 2023, 5:21 PM

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#8839 📣 A standard for encoding common sitelen pona glyphs:
https://www.kreativekorp.com/ucsur/charts/sitelen.html
A guide to have the characters render on devices can be found under ... ucsurtutorial and https://github.com/Id405/sitelen-pona-ucsur-guide/blob/main/README.md
Defined codepoints (2022-05-20)
pu: 󱤀 󱤁 󱤂 󱤃 󱤄 󱤅 󱤆 󱤇 󱤈 󱤉 󱤊 󱤋 󱤌 󱤍 󱤎 󱤏 󱤐 󱤑 󱤒 󱤓 󱤔 󱤕 󱤖 󱤗 󱤘 󱤙 󱤚 󱤛 󱤜 󱤝 󱤞 󱤟 󱤠 󱤡 󱤢 󱤣 󱤤 󱤥 󱤦 󱤧 󱤨 󱤩 󱤪 󱤫 󱤬 󱤭 󱤮 󱤯 󱤰 󱤱 󱤲 󱤳 󱤴 󱤵 󱤶 󱤷 󱤸 󱤹 󱤺 󱤻 󱤼 󱤽 󱤾 󱤿 󱥀 󱥁 󱥂 󱥃 󱥄 󱥅 󱥆 󱥇 󱥈 󱥉 󱥊 󱥋 󱥌 󱥍 󱥎 󱥏 󱥐 󱥑 󱥒 󱥓 󱥔 󱥕 󱥖 󱥗 󱥘 󱥙 󱥚 󱥛 󱥜 󱥝 󱥞 󱥟 󱥠 󱥡 󱥢 󱥣 󱥤 󱥥 󱥦 󱥧 󱥨 󱥩 󱥪 󱥫 󱥬 󱥭 󱥮 󱥯 󱥰 󱥱 󱥲 󱥳 󱥴 󱥵 󱥶 󱥷ku suli: 󱥸 󱥹 󱥺 󱥻 󱥼 󱥽 󱥾 󱥿 󱦀 󱦁 󱦂 󱦃 󱦄 󱦅 󱦆 󱦇 󱦈ku lili: 󱦠 󱦡 󱦢 󱦣special characters: 󱦐 󱦑 󱦒 󱦓 󱦔 󱦕 󱦖 󱦗 󱦘 󱦙 󱦚 󱦛 󱦜 󱦝
web-based converter: https://ilo-pi-sitelen-pona.glitch.me/ and https://ilolili.daviesfam.org/

pearl portal Jan 27, 2023, 5:22 PM

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,,oh except that readme's outdated because it has whitney instead of gg sans

half sun Jan 27, 2023, 5:51 PM

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󱤀󱤴󱤘󱥬󱤙󱥁:D

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 5:52 PM

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why u should use linja lipamanka

half sun Jan 27, 2023, 6:31 PM

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has anyone ever done this for pilin pakala? because i feel like this is a good idea ^^

loud jetty Jan 27, 2023, 6:43 PM

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this is a very cute glyph for a very serious medical issue

split kernel Jan 27, 2023, 6:45 PM

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i mean it can be heartbreak too not just heart attack

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or something about mental health

lean arrow Jan 27, 2023, 6:50 PM

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half sun has anyone ever done this for pilin pakala? because i feel like this is a good i...

I'd understand that

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 7:20 PM

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fuck I tested it and it doesn't WORK

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D:

native trench Jan 27, 2023, 7:47 PM

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wouldn’t you have to make a unique glyph for each combination

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like you did with the small ala mod

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tho having a only few unique glyphs for pakala mod is fine

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 7:56 PM

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yes

dense inlet Jan 27, 2023, 9:14 PM

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half sun has anyone ever done this for pilin pakala? because i feel like this is a good i...

literally came into this channel just now specifically to request this!!

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i do it in my handwritten sp a lot (my pilin recently got pakala'd again and i toki pona about it a lot)

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 10:19 PM

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let me know if anything in the font is broken; otherwise I'm going to take a break from this project

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because I am getting Too Stressed lol

cinder wyvern Jan 27, 2023, 11:21 PM

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lape pona

rough drum Jan 27, 2023, 11:21 PM

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yay anti lexicalization

lapis loom Jan 27, 2023, 11:53 PM

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pakala pona >:)

loud jetty Jan 28, 2023, 12:03 AM

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wow I completely forgot that lape can mean rest

agile barn Jan 28, 2023, 7:14 AM

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half sun has anyone ever done this for pilin pakala? because i feel like this is a good i...

this was someone's headnoun at some point iirc. iki I think

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 12:54 AM

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@stable trench whenever I open up linja lipamanka on my mac in textedit it does not take up a full line

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this is what my metrics are rn

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do you think there might be other problems somewhere else

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never mind I fixed

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it

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I checked "use typo metrics for line spacing"

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not sure if there's a difference between these files honestly but this one works I can tell you that much

📎 linjalipamanka-normal.ttf

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@white cove period -> middot, colon is monowidth and works inside of cartouches and also outside of cartouches. question marks and exlimation marks are not zero width tho. what specifically do you need in order to use my font on your website? I can set up the opentype features exactly how you want them

white cove Jan 29, 2023, 1:11 AM

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i just got 4 pings from 4 different people at once lmao

support for the nimi pu + nimi ku suli
support for a handful of basic combinations (i use toki+pona and linja+suwi if i remember correctly)
support for cartouches
replace ending punctuation(.?!:;-) with a full width space (middot is good too)
- ... don't do that inside a cartouche so that : works
replace non-ending punctuation (i think just ,) with a zero width space

also i am not changing the font right away, to be clear, bc i wanna finish up the main lessons and get reviews of the whole project before i change more significant things
but at that point i'm also planning to split the questions lesson into two parts, for example, and work on a story component to go alongside the entire series of lesson

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 1:11 AM

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lol

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 1:15 AM

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white cove i just got 4 pings from 4 different people at once lmao - support for the nimi p...

all pu and ku suli are supported
oops those are kind of hard to make and I haven't done that yet.. is there any reason why you need that? or also where do you use it
supports cartouches!
ye sounds good
- yeah I just gotta make the substitution order change so that if : doesn't become the cartouche version, it becomes a space instead. very easy actually
very doable

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if you're not planning on switching yet the I can just put this off more tbh

white cove Jan 29, 2023, 1:16 AM

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rough drum - all pu and ku suli are supported - oops those are kind of hard to make and I h...

awesome!
for #2 in particular, i actually don't use it directly in a Big lesson tbh
i use it right in the opening lesson when introducing sitelen pona, to demonstrate what you could see and suggest that sp has more variety
i literally don't use it again tho, lmao
but also, i don't use sitelen kalama except for in its own lesson
it's a nice-to-have

white cove Jan 29, 2023, 1:17 AM

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rough drum if you're not planning on switching yet the I can just put this off more tbh

ok i expect it to be on my desk in the morning /j

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 1:18 AM

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when do you think you'd want to change the font, assuming that it could meet all of your expectations

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like time estimate

white cove Jan 29, 2023, 1:19 AM

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mid february? mid february is what i'm thinking

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 1:19 AM

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tbh I can have it done by then

white cove Jan 29, 2023, 1:20 AM

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wawa

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 2:01 AM

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wh wh why is it bad

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IT'S HORRIBLE

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AAA

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the contours are all off

lean arrow Jan 29, 2023, 2:02 AM

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bezier curven't

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 2:03 AM

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I DON'T AHVE A CHOICE

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you can't like. make a font.

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and have it like

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not use bezier curves

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unless you have a bitmap font or something

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and I am NOT GOING TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE

bold inlet Jan 29, 2023, 2:05 AM

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contour: one who conts

lean arrow Jan 29, 2023, 2:10 AM

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I meant more that this contour wasn't very bezierish

bold inlet Jan 29, 2023, 2:12 AM

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Bézier lump

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 2:13 AM

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bold inlet Jan 29, 2023, 2:13 AM

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the Béziest curve around

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 2:14 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/rg4-ginilynnthompson-bad-dog-go-to-your-room-in-trouble-gif-20426852

Tenor

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me scolding jan Deni

lean arrow Jan 29, 2023, 2:14 AM

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rough drum https://tenor.com/view/rg4-ginilynnthompson-bad-dog-go-to-your-room-in-trouble-g...

how about you fix your curves instead

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o sike pona /utala

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/olin

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 2:14 AM

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lskfjklsjdlfsj

bold inlet Jan 29, 2023, 2:16 AM

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o linja pona kepeken linja sike

rough drum Jan 29, 2023, 2:16 AM

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linja sike li seme

bold inlet Jan 29, 2023, 2:18 AM

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linja li sike la ona li linja sike

native trench Jan 29, 2023, 4:32 AM

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linja sike li lon lawa mi

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 4:50 AM

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just in case ppl aren’t aware i am actually working on linja lipamanka again, i’ve ported over all the anpa glyphs and i’m halfway through the sewi ones

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<@&811644330770301008> update ^^

paper grove Jan 30, 2023, 4:51 AM

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pona a!

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 4:51 AM

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expect combining glyphs soonish

loud jetty Jan 30, 2023, 4:51 AM

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hype

tepid leafBOT Jan 30, 2023, 4:51 AM

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pona mute a

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 4:51 AM

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woah

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it’s a bird wtf

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what the actual fuck

magic wolf Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 AM

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waso

tepid leafBOT Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 AM

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mi waso

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 AM

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seme

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mi sona e ni

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taso

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mi wile sona e ijo ante

tepid leafBOT Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 AM

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waso pi toki pona taso li lon

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 AM

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wawa

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sina pona a

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mi olin e sina

tepid leafBOT Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 AM

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mi sona e ni 😘

magic wolf Jan 30, 2023, 4:53 AM

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mi sona e ni: waso

loud jetty Jan 30, 2023, 4:55 AM

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waso a

tepid leafBOT Jan 30, 2023, 4:55 AM

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sina kin li waso aa

loud jetty Jan 30, 2023, 4:56 AM

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mi waso a

bold inlet Jan 30, 2023, 5:01 AM

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rough drum expect combining glyphs soonish

ooh… i'm combining just thinking about it

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 5:02 AM

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lol

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 1:34 PM

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adding another request that of course I'll also pay for - but you'll have to see if you can or want to deal with integrating colours into the font:
extendable pride flags
I'm thinking of

rainbow
trans
enby
ace
add others so I can pay you more 😛

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Hmmm I might have to pay you twice, actually, because that'd mean creating a fallback for b/w
right?

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 3:42 PM

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cinder wyvern adding another request that of course I'll also pay for - but you'll have to see...

wait you want pride flags???

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i mean okay!

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based??? ally?

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 3:43 PM

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I want colourful images to look at 😛

little flower Jan 30, 2023, 3:43 PM

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You're so cool

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 3:43 PM

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still cishet tho … (joke)

indigo tendon Jan 30, 2023, 6:23 PM

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indigo tendon also a new one for the next mun pi ante toki

https://discord.gg/yfKTezXv?event=1069664220884504586 look how cool it is

nova dagger Jan 30, 2023, 7:37 PM

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is there some kind of document for all the features currently in/planning on being added to the font?

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 8:14 PM

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indigo tendon https://discord.gg/yfKTezXv?event=1069664220884504586 look how cool it is

good font

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 8:14 PM

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nova dagger is there some kind of document for all the features currently in/planning on bei...

no not yet

indigo tendon Jan 30, 2023, 8:15 PM

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it really is

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 9:58 PM

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I think the next thing I want to implement actually is multidirectional ni

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at least right facing ni

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because I feel myself wanting to use it so badly

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no seriously

true stone Jan 30, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Have you added in the sowelin soweis sowelie and soweliw kind of things with directional eyes?

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:02 PM

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no

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not yet

true stone Jan 30, 2023, 10:03 PM

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Are you going to?

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:03 PM

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no idea maybe

pearl portal Jan 30, 2023, 10:16 PM

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rough drum at least right facing ni

would ni: ligature as →

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:20 PM

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yes

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if you want to use a colon you can do ni : instead

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ah I love this

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mi wile tawa ma Iju Si Sanelu

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actually wait

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better

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ma Kiju Si Sanelu

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(Rio de Janeiro)

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ni> would also do this - and ni< would face the opposite way, ni^ would face up

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:23 PM

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nivty

indigo tendon Jan 30, 2023, 10:24 PM

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there should be a ni that faces the person looking at the screen

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:24 PM

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bc of the nature of the cases where ni would be used it would be pretty easy to tell where the sentence breaks are I think? so it might be completely acceptable to just not use any sentence separators in that part of a text even if there are some in use in other parts of the texxt

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:24 PM

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indigo tendon there should be a ni that faces the person looking at the screen

amazing

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also re: colors, not sure if it'd be possible without making my font a "color font" thonk it could be

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:25 PM

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rough drum bc of the nature of the cases where ni would be used it would be pretty easy to ...

Disagree

jan <ni li lukin e ijo ni> lon tomo

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:26 PM

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this is what I meant

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I feel that this would be interpreted fine

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I mean in general it seems that sitelen pona is very readable without sentence separators

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:28 PM

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It's more effort to read though
And there are specific things I would confuse too often, such as taso modifier at the end of a sentence vs sentence initial taso

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:28 PM

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it's more effort to read though
have you tried?

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:28 PM

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Yeah I can technically do it

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:29 PM

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rough drum >it's more effort to read though have you tried?

Let me rephrase
There are these things that I have confused in the past, both in Latin and in sp

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:32 PM

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sample text

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okay I have to go

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but I think this works pretty well

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:34 PM

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I guess I'm not used to garden pathing so much in toki pona

I should write a story that tells 2 different things depending on where you place punctuation

rough drum Jan 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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nice idea

cinder wyvern Jan 30, 2023, 10:46 PM

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I have so many letters from so many places in my home. Which do you want? Tell me, who I belong to you, which letter you want. Thus I will give all the requested letters
Please, you, oh, you, feel well where you are, far as you are

o toki e lipu wile tawa mi sina
ni la mi pana e lipu ale wile
sina a o weka pona a
All these books that talk about so many countries shall lessen your need to travel to far-off lands
ni la mi pana e lipu ale
wile tawa sina a o weka pona a

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:25 AM

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thonk

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:26 AM

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cinder wyvern I have so many letters from so many places in my home. Which do you want? Tell m...

I can't parse this or what it's trying to translate

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:26 AM

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what part? or all of it?

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:26 AM

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oh wait

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never mind I get it

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I think that because both of yours kinda sound like nonsense that should clue you on to the fact that you got the sentence boundaries wrong slkdfjlskj

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:28 AM

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hm I might write some of that
the context and the style/rhythm is pretty strong that these weren't meant like that, though

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:28 AM

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The "tell me, who I belong to you, which letter you want" I think is kind of weird and it wouldn't be hard to read it differently

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:29 AM

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that's Egnlish's fault

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:29 AM

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I want to keep writing fun things and see how good I can get this

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:29 AM

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mi sina should be perfectly fine

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:29 AM

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cinder wyvern that's Egnlish's fault

not to nitpick your english but I would say "tell me, who belongs to you," because "who I belong to you" reads as ungrammatical in english

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not that either are used that often

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mi sina is perfectly fine but I would expect people reading this to bracket it differently even if no bracketing for sentences is given

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:31 AM

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boxing in toki pona grumble grumble : D

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:33 AM

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skdfjs

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okay I'm gonna make more samples

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cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:40 AM

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supa Lipamanpaka?

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:40 AM

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anpa has three morae

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the first two are "a" and "n"

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:41 AM

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a dot completes a mora
anpa without a dot is already a

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:41 AM

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yeah anpa with one dot will still just have the first mora

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:42 AM

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ok, if you use it that way

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:42 AM

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is that a weird way to use it

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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it's something that I stumbled over at the beginning, but apparently, if a mora is a vowel, it doesn't count as a dot

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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can you link me to the original thing

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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... sitelenkalamashort

tepid tuskBOT Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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#9251 📣 A writing system for proper names in sitelen pona, using moras!

This goes with the pu system, where symbols read by their first letter. You can mix these systems!
A mora is like a syllable, but ends at the vowel because -n is a mora! na n pa
Each dot (·) completes the next mora. [anpa] → [anpa · ] → [anpa · · ]
Colons (:) add the whole word. [kepeken] → [kepeken · ] → [kepeken · · ] → [kepeken · · · ] → [kepeken : ]
Everything is equally spaced, dots and colons too!
Image: "jan Kulumin Sinpin" https://bit.ly/3Rm2re3

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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is it in there?

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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oh I see

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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oh that's not the original

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... sitelenkalama

tepid tuskBOT Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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#8505 📣 nasin sitelen kalama
nasin sitelen kalama is a set of tweaks to the way that names are written in sitelen pona. it aims to make the syllabic writing that many use - where they might write jan Lonka as ⟨jan [lon kala]⟩ - more readable in the context of normal sitelen pona usage. it relies on a moraic analysis of toki pona (see ... mora), and works as follows:

single sitelen pona glyphs are read as they would normally be, with only the first sound being spoken. ⟨ijo [awen]⟩ on its own is read as ijo A.
when a single dot* follows a glyph, the first mora is spoken. if said glyph starts with a vowel, the second mora is spoken as well. ⟨jan [anpa ·]⟩ and ⟨jan [moli · nasa · ]⟩ are read as jan An and jan Mona respectively.
further dots mean subsequent morae are read. ⟨jan [kepeken · ]⟩, ⟨jan [kepeken · · ]⟩, and ⟨jan [kepeken · · · ]⟩ are read as jan Ke, jan Kepe, and jan Kepeke respectively
when a colon** follows a glyph, the whole word is read. this is not required, multiple dots may be used instead, but recommended for longer words. ⟨soweli [olin : sina · ]⟩ is read as soweli Olinsi

*usually a fullwidth mid-dot such as 「・」, but other fullwidth solutions such as 「。／」 may also be used
**also fullwidth, 「：」

rough drum Jan 31, 2023, 12:43 AM

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it uses anpa as an example lol

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I was wrong a

cinder wyvern Jan 31, 2023, 12:44 AM

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huh that's not the way it was originally worded either, because I think it was more ambiguous

#linja lipamanka