linja lipamanka

[rough drum]

very important

[tepid leaf]

hmmm

[tepid leaf]

the hmming continues

[bold inlet]

sina \🦶

[rough drum]

true tho..

okay so here we are

I'm going to design each of these

and THEN FINALLY we will have a completed pu UCSUR font

okay

these are all the sets of glyphs I have to make (the left six can be generated automatically, PU ANPA and PU SELO won't have all glyphs in them, PU INSA LILI and PU INSA SULI will have some duplicates between them)

okay so what are they?

• pu glyphs are the base glyphs
• extenders have a single underline
• cartouche has an underline and an overline
• anpa and sewi glyphs are for stacking combining
• selo and insa are for scalar combining (insa suli is for larger selo glyphs like lipu, insa lili is for smaller selo glyphs like sitelen)

[agile barn]

the ko is much better now

good job on all this. I think its fair to say the community appreciates your hard work

[rough drum]

i didn’t change the ko i don’t think

[rough drum]

oh

that’s the other font i made

this is a new one i’ve started from scratch

but yes this ko actually is from linja pona lol

[vestal vault]

freeform ko ftw!

[agile barn]

yeah you get what I mean

[rough drum]

there are going to be random alts!

[agile barn]

tbf this started as a linja sike reform

[rough drum]

opentype has a randomized feature

[agile barn]

random alts??

[rough drum]

it did just like linja sike started as linja pona with a couple of nimisin

[agile barn]

like it randomly chooses what to put

[agile barn]

oh cool

[rough drum]

yes between a bunch of different kos

[agile barn]

very cool

love that

[fast knot]

i didn't know opentype could do that that's so cool

[vestal vault]

oh wow, randomized ko, I haven't thought of that, that's so cool

[rough drum]

ko can be any non overlapping vaguely circular closed curve

jaki can be any overlapping mess

in three messages this chat will have caught up to my essays chat

[rough drum]

okay good night linja lipamanka channel

[cinder wyvern]

g'night!

[subtle lintel]

mi lukin e ni: linja pi nimi kasi en linja sewi pi nimi laso li lukin ante. ona o ni ala ni? mi la kasi o jo e lipu tu sama lon sitelen tu
ante la sitelen li pona mute!

[distant maple]

suggestion: shrink ala so it's more the size of what e is now and grow ante so it's the size of what ala is now

so ala draws your eyes to the center, away from the borders, and ante is two marks that are on the border of the box with very visible space in between

[pearl portal]

iirc it's not supported by much of anything though

most "random" fonts just have context rules for like "if pona is after a3 or akesi3 or ala3 or ... then render as pona4"
iirc

[steady cape]

suggestion: make ala combo glyphs just a big ala overlaid on whatever the base glyph is, literally crossing it out.

/hj

[cinder wyvern]

could be just one big ala-glyph that zero-width merges with the previous one 😄

[steady cape]

I use it personally as long as it's not a messy glyph already. I'd use it overtop of jaki for clarity, and perhaps other things similar, but other than that I find it very easy to read it that way.

[kind wraith]

s i n t e l e n p o n a r e m i n d e r

[agile barn]

oh yeah where's the link to sintelen pona again?

[kind wraith]

um

here's the thing with all of them

done in tokirap order

except new mu is at the end

[lean arrow]

So thick

Oh interesting you have a lot of alts

What's after pakala

[kind wraith]

ike

?

[lean arrow]

The emitters?

[kind wraith]

wait where

[lean arrow]

Second to last row

2 after mu

[kind wraith]

oh that isn't pakala it's wawa

and after that is a

[lean arrow]

Oh

I don't like that nn

[kind wraith]

"pona a"

[lean arrow]

With so many alts idk if you'd call this sitelen pona any more

[kind wraith]

i'm not

i'm calling it sintelen pona

[lean arrow]

Oh

a

[kind wraith]

SINtelen pona

[lean arrow]

musi

[kind wraith]

bye

[loud jetty]

imo the SIN in SINtelen pona should always be capitalized

it's really easy to read sintelen as sitelen

(I think people have every time you've mentioned it...)

[tepid leaf]

or call it sitelen sin pona

[rough drum]

ala is bigger than ante in pu

[rough drum]

ones that have not been lowered so far will not be able to combine as the bottom of a scalar glyph combo

if you think I've made a mistake lmk

[kind wraith]

sure

[abstract solstice]

Ooh i like how akesi’s legs change

[tawdry shale]

same, I noticed that

pretty cool

[agile barn]

jelo isn't?

or esun?

[rough drum]

yep they are not stackable

👍

[real bough]

does jo combine by making a container of the circle?

[pearl portal]

take: as a user i should be able to stack my glyphs however i diddly-darn please, even if it's just a stretched png

(i would do this in my font but it will not have compounds due to its chonkiness)

[rough drum]

no I don't think it'll combine

it's a pretty complicated dense glyph

[rough drum]

yeah that's why I'm doing so many alts so it doesn't look like shit lmao

[pearl portal]

lipu tenpo does lawa jo lemme uh

[cinder wyvern]

The line width in the new font is pretty big

[real bough]

🤔

[rough drum]

oh god

I hate this so much

[real bough]

o jo+kala pona

[lapis loom]

jan is not stackable that means this is not possible

[rough drum]

despair time to fix that then

[real bough]

[pretend this is an abstracted sitelen pona drawing of a furry for jan~soweli]

(adhd is not letting me detour from my current focus for long enough to make one)

[rough drum]

jskdlfjslkdfjklj trueeeee

[cinder wyvern]

bwahahaa

[rough drum]

okay so progress update: it seems like I am doing one set of variants every session

but also every session I come up with three more

so

this font will be done never

[cinder wyvern]

80% it 😄

[rough drum]

true

okay only doing 80% of pu words

[native trench]

80% toki pona, 20% isipin epiku

[wispy rock]

Oh wow so linja sike is gonna be completely redone?

Or is this a different font altogether

[steady cape]

I desire lowered anu for anu-seme

with the seme growing out of the Y

[steady cape]

different font, linja sike 5 will be still in circulation

[steady cape]

prob would be better by shifting the hand from jo off to the side so the head isn't directly overtop of the inner glyph

[real bough]

yeah to be clear this wasn't meant to be a serious proposal

just musi-ing on how to make jo a container

[steady cape]

I like it, may use it in my own nasin sitelen

[stoic rivet]

jo soweli

[steady cape]

NI

[stoic rivet]

(sitelen jo o lukin olin e ijo jo)

[cinder wyvern]

lukin olin tu a

[lime slate]

linjamanka

[wispy rock]

i think anu could be anpa'd

[rough drum]

what would anyone want it to combine with

[native trench]

cartouches, maybe

[rough drum]

why’d you use anu when you could use akesi .. i mean i guess

[native trench]

and as much as i hate content anu, i feel like allowing it is in the spirit of this font, given how obscure nimisin are included

[rough drum]

oh i forgot to send a picture of all of them

[rough drum]

true actually

okay i’ll add it

but it’ll be encoded as scalar

[native trench]

it doesn't have a hollow inside tho

[rough drum]

no it won’t lol

i just need the right glyph to fit on it yknow

it’ll still work with the stacking combiner anyway, as a default

[native trench]

i c

[rough drum]

just like akesi will work with the scalar combiner

[wispy rock]

reason for squonching anpa'ing anu:

yes i also use anu as "choose/choice"

[pearl portal]

could also do sina wile e telo anu-kili anu-kasi anu-ala

though maybe that should be done with legs

as in long-ala style

[rough drum]

i hate that tho

[rough drum]

i think this is fine tbh

[pearl portal]

it's like little pedestals

or hands if you squint really hard

anu-sainte anu-grunch

[wispy rock]

weh?

like so?

[rough drum]

i do not like it but my font will support it

[native trench]

for symmetry the telo should be stacked on e

[vestal vault]

nasa a

[native trench]

or maybe like
have all four things be small and in the top half, like they’re stacked, and have the three anu-s be small and on the bottom, but they’re offset

sorry for terrible handwriting i did this on my phone

[bold inlet]

ooh…

put this in #sona-musi

[pearl portal]

how do i sign up for stream notifs

[distant maple]

hm this is cool

[distant maple]

absolutely based

[distant maple]

ok that is wild

[native trench]

[distant maple]

:83c:

[rough drum]

[distant maple]

:ralNiko:

(mi wawa Nito ala)

[native trench]

what if we add to this server

[native trench]

they seem to go up to the midline which is would mean there’s overlap if the top one has a flat base

[rough drum]

that's what "pilin" means

there's also "pu anpa pi pilin ala" which won't do that

in some cases I want them to overlap

so by making one version where everything overlaps and other where nothing does, I get to choose which glyphs do what

[tepid leaf]

why squeeshd akesi but not squeeshd pipi

[rough drum]

I forgot

is the only reason

[native trench]

oh i was wondering what that was about cool

[rough drum]

oh and did you notice pu

i'm pretty proud of pu

yeee

hey jan Kuwi o wanna VC

i can give u knowledge

okay :3

starts crying uncontrolably

simply become allistic smh

so true..

[wise garden]

Recap: I am requesting the glyph Losupan.

[native trench]

fake

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> who wants me to make their name glyph (I'm making them rn)

[vivid drum]

Oh wow I do (I just don't have one xd)

[lucid nymph]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ im up

[rotund ginkgo]

I'd say me but I haven't made my second request yet

[keen yew]

what if wren name glyph

[rough drum]

so many people..

keep in mind

[vestal vault]

🤚

[rough drum]

if you send me a glyph right now I am IN THE PERFECT POSITION TO MAKE IT

but otherwise I'm NOT GOING HUNTING

[keen yew]

ok

[native trench]

make me a name glyph based on my old pfp that no one has ever seen

[vivid drum]

There was even a time before Niko?

[native trench]

yep

[vivid drum]

[rough drum]

streaming rn

join vc to look 👀

@keen yew I'm making urs

[keen yew]

what the hell

[rotund ginkgo]

Just to check can I resend it now if it hasn't been two days since request 1 or

[keen yew]

cant talk but ill join vc for a bit

[loud jetty]

o pali e waso ni

[native trench]

i used to use a green gradient sort of thing but when i played pavlov ttt it was so recognizably green that people would say “the green pfp is the traitor” and i’d have no way of convincing them that actually the one with the green pfp was someone else

[vivid drum]

dang I wish I could vc just pretend I'm there talking a lot and being really funny and cool

[agile barn]

@full gyro

[vivid drum]

Never heard of that game, but neat

[rotund ginkgo]

2nd request + dog + bonus mi

[vivid drum]

That soweli has got to be as suwi as it gets

[keen yew]

amazing

[vestal vault]

sitelen pi nimi mi

[lucid nymph]

These are my name glyphs (mila and ansu)

[lucid nymph]

OH IS THIS ALREADY DONE AA SO CUTE

[oak fern]

uh uh

[lucid nymph]

OH THE STREAM I GOTTA JOIN

[native trench]

there should be linja sike 6 (or maybe 5.1) to fix some oddities of linja sike 5 even though it’s mostly dead now

please fix old puwa or else i’m gonna explode

[lucid nymph]

I think Wenso had one but theyre not awake rn so 🤷‍♀️

lipamanka are you adding any nimisin glyphs?

[oak fern]

i’m sorry if this is too late i didn’t see the messages until now

[lucid nymph]

theyre doing it rn^^

[strong goblet]

"tell the fancy hat person that i am adding the fancy hat"

[lucid nymph]

Yea

[oak fern]

is that me? am i the fancy hat person?

[strong goblet]

yeah

[oak fern]

i’m telling all my friends that lipamanka called me the fancy hat person

[lucid nymph]

This is kana its a nimisin (i believe you may have seen in sona nasa) i also have not requested it previously. Are you adding nimisin?

i can send u a kofi ;)

[rough drum]

I'm not adding nimisin yet

[oak fern]

honestly tho i’m so excited rn

[lucid nymph]

Okay good 2 know ping when u do and i will be ever grateful

[rough drum]

who are u again

okay anyway

[oak fern]

heck yeah!!! tysm!!! this was not enough to express the amount i am physically vibrating with excitement rn i decided

[oak fern]

mi jan Jasun

[strong goblet]

sina jan anu lipamanka

[oak fern]

*mi lipamanka Jasun

[strong goblet]

linja li pamanka? pamanka li seme a

[tepid leaf]

anyway make Maki name glyph https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1045911317795573810/1059167338768908418/image.png

[lucid nymph]

Ooh i like that

[rough drum]

okay

™️

@janseli

@native trench

[native trench]

not real

[loud jetty]

o pali e si
i
ilapa

[native trench]

YES

[vestal vault]

pls do this epiku alt glyph

[lucid nymph]

@rough drum add this

[subtle lintel]

mi wile

[rough drum]

too late I'm not anymore

[subtle lintel]

a

[rough drum]

I will continue to ping the role whenever I'm working for udpates lol!

[pearl portal]

ended up abusing mod powers to give myself the role 😈

[cinder wyvern]

#poki-pini should have it with ⭕ right?

[pearl portal]

a!

[feral wind]

i would like to request a custom name glyph
kepi -> from Kirby, my IRL name
pet photos:

this is what i was thinking of for it

[wispy rock]

ouh!! wait are the name requests that were made before gonna be made or only the ones being requested Now

[kind wraith]

ike anu-pona li suli ala

(from kalama musi pi jan peni)

[lean arrow]

I like an anu-seme ligature sometimes

[lean arrow]

oh glob no, please don't allow stacking/nesting basic particles like e and li, it makes things SO bad to read

[native trench]

stacking on anu is nasa anyway

[lean arrow]

ohh I'd read that as akesi 100% of the time, is that intentional?

I actually really like the angular body akesi...

[lean arrow]

what's the role and how do I get it

[native trench]

it’s in #poki-pini

it used to be linjasikers i think

now it’s linjamankers

[tawdry shale]

pona

[rough drum]

OH RIGHT

[tawdry shale]

a teje!

(or is it soto)

... seje

[tepid tusk]

Note seje was not found.

[rough drum]

I fixed it

[tawdry shale]

LMAO

[rough drum]

here's my workspace thus far

[boreal verge]

nameme

[wispy rock]

"namako / namako but bad"
ah, a true scholar

[rough drum]

lmao

[feral wind]

<@&811644330770301008> lipamanka is streaming

[rotund ginkgo]

Weliko glyph + two possible soweliko glyphs + doggos

[rough drum]

these are done !!!

[loud jetty]

flat critters flat critters

make waso anpa pilin look up

hype

[pearl portal]

brown is orange

[indigo prairie]

lipamanka please add this we need it

mijetesantakalu

mi ete <-- lon
kijetesantakalu <-- pona

[sturdy marlin]

...seme

[indigo prairie]

its like kijetesantakalu but im the best

here are the blueprints

i think it is a very good nimisin

[sturdy marlin]

a...nasin sewi

mi sona ala e nimi ete la ni li nasin sewi

sitelen nasin en sitelen sewi li lon

kijetesantakalu nasin lukin sewi

[indigo prairie]

kijetesantakalu li sewi

[sturdy marlin]

lawa kijetesantakalu li lon anpa

lon sitelen ni

[indigo prairie]

ok i think youre convinced

[rough drum]

nasa

idk if it’d fit but i can try

[indigo flicker]

Update: you mentioned the glyph for “Losupan” would be hard to include due to its complexity. Well I just joined the server today and its icon is a somewhat simpler version

[rough drum]

this has a lot of sharp edges

i could do it with dots or try some things later

[sturdy marlin]

ma ante pi toki losupan la

[rough drum]

ni li pona tawa mi

[pearl portal]

sike tu li pona

[tawdry shale]

li pona tawa mi

[real bough]

ni li mani losupan anu seme

[rough drum]

mani a

[real bough]

a? jan li o e mi anu seme?

[vivid drum]

hi lipamanka

[rough drum]

hi

[vivid drum]

hows linamanking making going

[rough drum]

good i’m taking a bath rn

[vivid drum]

Enjoy

[real bough]

telo pona

[dense inlet]

a i need to make. a name glyph now

i have made. a name glyph

[rough drum]

well let’s see it

[dense inlet]

(circle not included)

[native trench]

woah

[dense inlet]

aert :songlas:

[loud jetty]

suwi a

[vivid drum]

I might just make a sketch on my phone right now

Watch me

[rough drum]

that's really good

[vestal vault]

pona mute a

[dense inlet]

:D

[oak fern]

ni li pona a! this would be the “who’s that pokémon” silhouette for you /pos

[dense inlet]

awwww you guys are too kind :)

[rough drum]

I still gotta fine tune and what not but !! done!!

[fast knot]

why are there a seperate set for touching the middle bar vs not?

[real bough]

oh! "pilin" as in "touching" I think

an option for how tightly you want your glyphs stacked, I assume

are the missing anpas because they'll be containers anu seme?

[rough drum]

for some of them, yes

for others, they just won't combine

like a can't be anpa or selo la I'm not letting it combine

[tepid leaf]

hm why are particles options for top ones

soko ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1053850152932233266 message)

[rough drum]

sigh I'm not happy about it but I'm supporting all glyph combonations for the tops

and the insas

[tepid leaf]

why tho
this is ur font

[rough drum]

I changed my design goals

I have 'em in the pinned message

[abstract solstice]

tan seme la nimi mute li ken ala lon anpa?

nimi ale li ken lon sewi

[rough drum]

looks bad

nimi ale li ken lon sewi li ken pona tawa lukin

anu poka ni

[abstract solstice]

a mi sona

[lapis loom]

Sorry I’m not posting 40 pictures of my cats so here’s 4

[rough drum]

I LOVE THEM

also why would you post 40 pictures

are you requesting 40 glyphs?

look in the pins under requirements

[lapis loom]

For sppjE - I counted for all of the glyphs I wanted and it was about 40

This ^

[rough drum]

hm i wasn’t planning on adding those and even if it’s just the green that’s still a lot of work

it looks like it’s just a different writing system

[lapis loom]

Oh ok that’s fine

[rough drum]

yeah waso Keli gave me a dollar for each glyph she requested because she requested them in bulk and i might make them a separate font tbh

[lapis loom]

Yeah it is a lot

I’ll make it my own font

[real bough]

(re?)requesting this as a name glyph for [nlsn] if I can make a separate/alternate name glyph request

source/etymology: letters nlsn assembled into a dragon/sunrise

[lapis loom]

I’d still like at least a few maybe

[rough drum]

yeah choose your favorite four and i’ll add them as alts

[lapis loom]

akesi and pipi and ken probably?
Idk my fourth pick

[rough drum]

okay great

[lapis loom]

Here’s two more for jaki and monsuta
I’m still leaving one open for your choice

[rough drum]

omg they’re the best

[pearl portal]

my cat tax, plus an extra one in case i come up with a 4th glyph

btw reaffirming

[lapis loom]

The one that’s s’mores colored’s name is Fred and the black one is Greg btw

[rough drum]

LOVE THIS CAR

what a good car

Pingo pona a

[loud jetty]

I already know where you are

in a big boy big rig on the open road

I'm sorry haha

[paper grove]

soweli mi

(i forgot the pet requirement)

name glyph

[tepid leaf]

pona a

that glyph looks really complicated but we’ll try!!

bad news linja lipamanka is cancelled

it’s called linja wezzl now

[paper grove]

omg real

[tepid leaf]

this is kind of eldrich and scary and I might not keep it but

maybe y'know

[vivid drum]

Is this for having things in the middle?

[tepid leaf]

yes

also it's really easy to make combining glyphs with ala so I'm gonna do one for each with a few exceptions

or maybe these will be the exeptions

[paper grove]

e ala

[lucid dew]

ala ala

[tepid leaf]

this is making my head hurt

im adding it

alalalala

[vivid drum]

gaming

[real bough]

what tool are you using to make things into a font/define ligatures/etc?

[tepid leaf]

fontcreator

[native trench]

we should have infinite ala
each +ala adds another iteration to the fractal

[tepid leaf]

. im adding this

[vivid drum]

Amazing

[pearl portal]

linjamanka doomed to eternal development hell by vicsek fractal

[native trench]

real

[tepid leaf]

akesi ala alalalalalalala

[real bough]

alakesi

[tepid leaf]

smh it needs 6 legs

akesi lete moment

[vivid drum]

Put a dot in the upper section so it can also be lon

[tepid leaf]

open your inner eye to unlock the truth and worship the ICE LIZARD

I'm really proud of that joke tbh

[dense inlet]

its safe to assume 4-legged akesi is already a thing in here, right?

[wispy rock]

!!! hoping so

[kind wraith]

in SINtelen pona that i'm making i have a sideways 4 leg akesi

[dense inlet]

SINtelen pona is pretty neat—ive been watching you make it since the beginning and some of the changes youve made are kinda cool—but the sizes are so damn inconsistent i just cannot look at it

[kind wraith]

yeah it's fine

[tepid leaf]

no but it will be

mu Temi ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) its safe to assume 4-legged akesi is already a thing in here, right?

actually

[kind wraith]

hopefully if it's remade in linja lipamanka the sizes are fixed

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> currently going to make some SPECIAL COMBINER and ALT glyphs on stream! o kama! >:D

[kind wraith]

like it would still have the linja lipamanka style or whatever, just the designs

[pearl portal]

dang Right as i was about to sleep

[dense inlet]

i would like this role please !

[agile barn]

I will watch in a while; I need to go do chores first

[rough drum]

#poki-pini

[knotty widget]

you have been linjamank'd

[agile barn]

But here's what I've chosen for the Asike glyph

[dense inlet]

pain

[pearl portal]

tentative idea for glyph 4: anpa alt that's someone bowing down like the orz emoticon

[agile barn]

hasty soweli picture

[rough drum]

sewi ala

@stiff dragon sewi Allah

sewi Allah sewi Allah

[native trench]

so real

[rough drum]

did you know that Allah is arabic for the lah

[stiff dragon]

I mean, literally

[tepid leaf]

the context

[native trench]

tokiponists worship the context

[stiff dragon]

/ʔal-ʔilaːh/ > /ʔalˁlˁaːh/

Tiberian Hebrew cognate /ʔɛ̆loːah/ (/ʔɛ̆loːh/?) [ʔɛloː(w)ah~ʔɛlowwah]

this is where /ʔɛ̆loːˈhiːm/ [ʔɛloːˈhiːim] comes from

[stiff dragon]

why the X btw?

[tepid leaf]

means "ala"

[rough drum]

that's the joke

[stiff dragon]

ahhhhh

I love this

[loud jetty]

I just got that this is a kulupu
I love it

[cinder wyvern]

not an original idea, but...
ni extension

[white cove]

i would read that as niiiiiiii

[cinder wyvern]

yus

[pearl portal]

→♧ →♧ —→

[loud jetty]

extend it diagonally and vertically too

and introduce bends

that would only be another 96 glyphs

I think

then we could do stuff like this 😌

[tepid leaf]

you can do this with only 4 glyphs, one for each direction

[feral wind]

it has been a bit over 2 days since the glyph request so time to do it again
something like this

[tepid leaf]

so that one would be uh

mi tawa ma        <<
soweli li tawa ma >^

hope that makes sense
the thought is "minecraft stairs mechanics"

[feral wind]

also i have more dog pics

[lapis loom]

You need 4 straight arrowheads, 2 straight lines, 8 bent arrowheads, and 4 bent lines for a total of 18 glyphs

[tepid leaf]

see here

واس فيمي لي موس لون سيتلن 🌱 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) so that one would be uh

mi tawa ma        <<
soweli li tawa ma >^

hope that makes sense
the…

^ produces a top right pointing ni

[indigo flicker]

sitelen tu mute

[tepid leaf]

or like. ni>^ ig

[lapis loom]

You still need separate glyphs tho

[tepid leaf]

true yeah i was stuck on input lol

[lapis loom]

And if you introduce diagonals that’s a whole can of worms

It depends on how it’s done

[loud jetty]

a can of 86 worms to be exact 😌

[lapis loom]

Maybe

[loud jetty]

depending on the approach yeah

I'm ignoring bent arrowheads

and realistically you probably don't want 45 degree bends, but I counted those

hmm I might have overcounted by 32

anyway yeah can of worms

[lapis loom]

Yeah if it’s only a diagonal that connects two cardinal directions then it’s the same # as bends

But if it’s corner to corner

That’d add 2 straight lines, 4 arrowheads …

[loud jetty]

I'm very tempted to put this in my pixel font that nobody will use

[lapis loom]

And many more bends I can’t count rn

[rough drum]

like emojis?

lol

[loud jetty]

ahaha exactly

[white cove]

nasin sitelen sin li kama 👀

[rough drum]

jsjfjskfjjfjdnd

[lapis loom]

Actually this is correct I think, minus two
I think there’s 28 different lines and then there’s two arrowheads for every line-

[dense inlet]

what is UP, Project Im Invested In

[distant maple]

dang, something about this feels a little bit tough to read to me. maybe the lines are too thick?

[rough drum]

it’s just one glyph

[distant maple]

lol yeah, sorry, context needed

to explain: I've had the inkling of the idea that something was a bit tough to read about the font as a whole

when you posted sewi-ala just now, my first impression was that it was one of the harder ones to read and I was like "oh maybe it's the line thickness"

it honestly could also be the red and green grid cluttering it up lmao

[rough drum]

prolly lmao

[dense inlet]

the two days have passed

here is my pet

@rough drum lookit

[rough drum]

omg

[knotty widget]

i don't have a pet but do you want to see my best friend's pet

[rough drum]

yes

it’s my pet

[knotty widget]

unfortunately it's flesh world bestie's pet

why are they sideways

[real bough]

@rough drum if I send you an SVG file with all this stuff in it how much could I pay you to get it all fontified and ligatured correctly etc?

[rough drum]

oooooo

like as a font comission seperate from linja lipamanka?

[real bough]

yeah

I poked around in font programs and found it ultra daunting

and I figure you've got a workflow sorted out already

[rough drum]

hm I say $2.50 USD dollars of the united states per glyph but if you're just sending me the glyphs that could be $0.50 tbh

or one sec how many are there

THERE ARE 69 BASE GLYPHS NO FUCKING WAY

so like your choice

[real bough]

so 100 toki pona syllables (50 of which are identical but with the -n marker removed) + 12 non-toki-pona letters + 7 punctuation and misc + 9 consonant fragments

[rough drum]

I'm gonna say probably a minimum of $0.50 per glyph is reasonable... hm maybe not you are sending me the SVGs so I don't have to desgin anythign

and that's over 60 dollars for you

damn idk I'm too generous

true

if I'm being honest I might be able to bang this out in like an hour so $15 an hour is minimum wage where I live rn

most likely

it might be more or less

OMG NOT GETTING MINIMUM WAGE BESTIES

two summers ago I got payed $0.50 an hour after tax and exploitation deductions

bc I worked for a nonprofit

and the work was hard

basically they give four adults (I mean i was 17 at the time but whatever) eight or nine kids with high support needs and/or behavioral issues to take care of at a residential sleepaway camp and they kept giving me late on duty three days in a row, which wasn't allowed but they did it anyway, which basically means instead of sleeping I need to be like vigilant all night long in case one of the campers needs something (which happened frequently) and when I complained about it to my supervisors they were like "love that for you" 🙄 and all of this while struggling with an undiagnosed sleeping disorder AND THE CAMPERS I WAS TAKING CARE OF WERE MY AGE SO IT WAS PRETTY FUCKED UP

so ...

I have a very poor perspective of what my work is worth

👍

[real bough]

can I offer $50 and you let me know if it's more work than you expected to get it done and polished (not in terms of tweaking glyphs, just making sure the spacing* is good and all the ligatures work right etc?)
*it's meant to be monospaced except the logo glyphs are double width

[rough drum]

okay based I can do that

[real bough]

also the file this is in is full of all sorts of junk, I can get it copied over to a clean thing if that'll make your life easier

[rough drum]

just like. I'm staying with my grandparents for a few days to COOK A PORK SHOULDER so I can't really do it until I get hope but this would be a BASED comission I could get done as soon as I get home

ur so based

50% of profits go to the rats (just kidding) (or am I)

you do deserve money tho... people should donate to your ko-fi

[tepid leaf]

🤔 considering how this works, is it necessary to do all the separate glyphs
when instead you can do like. zero width consonants and the vowels just go over top
mayb with the vowel glyphs having full, left, mid, and right variants for where the consonants connect
just a thought

[real bough]

maybe I'll spend a day inventing punctuation

[real bough]

there's several cases where the vowel curve is tweaked to cooperate with the consonant better

[rough drum]

okay $65 dollars then I'M KIDDING

[tepid leaf]

ope you're right i missed the strikethrough ones

nvm me just being blind

[real bough]

went and made glyphs for all the ascii punctuation (and refined/replaced some of the ones in the original image)

still feeling iffy about the numerals

[rough drum]

use base 20

[real bough]

a mi pilin pona tawa ni:

[rough drum]

idk what it means but I can add it to the font I'm making for you! just send me the svgs or something similar

png is fine too I can make 'em

[real bough]

you'll be able to transplant the curves directly over, right? I spent a fair amount of time getting a few of them looking just right and am hoping you won't need to recreate them by eye ^^ (I know fonts work with outlines and I just have raw strokes with width, but I assume there's a way to convert between those)

[rough drum]

ye

no i have software that can like

copy and paste directly from svg programs like inkscape

there’s a button in inkscape for “convert to outlines” too

just don’t press it before you send it to me in case i wanna like 👀 change something to make it look better yknow like touch it up

unless you’re confident they’re all good

[real bough]

fairly confident in my designs and also a bit emotionally invested in it being My Thing? but if there's a glyph or thing you think needs revising you can ping me about it and I'll check it out and send an updated svg

[rough drum]

pona a that’s what i thought

[rough drum]

i actually misread this before i sent the message

[real bough]

(also I figure that having everything made with strokes means that it would probably be straightforward to give it that font feature of variable line weight? no worries if not though)

[lapis loom]

I feel like this has gotten off the topic of the thread, and should probably be continued in dms-

[real bough]

intend to

[rough drum]

yes it would! tbh variable fonts are harder to set up so it might take me longer but those are possible

it WOULD be more work

once I finish the base font I'll let you know how much longer it would take me to make it variable and we could talk from there

[agile barn]

2 day request for final version of my name glyph

[rough drum]

epic

[bold inlet]

omg dogy

[agile barn]

love this guy

hes soweli

[lean arrow]

requesting an "aaa" glyph for screams etc

like the one that kili uses perhaps:

[cinder wyvern]

guess what, I also requested it

basically, it'd be an alternate to the underline connecting to the extended a glyph

[lean arrow]

the underline "a" in the image you posted is so clinical though

no personality at all

[cinder wyvern]

yes

agreed

I did the bare minimum based on linja sike 5

but imo the latin "a" part of the glyph needs to go down to meet the line (and therefore maybe the vertical line needs to get longer, probably?) instead of the line extention going down to meet the line
this doesn't just concern squiggly a, but any extended a

and my squiggly line is terrible

[lean arrow]

oh I also am reminded of kiki: #pali-nanpa message

[rough drum]

omg this one’s so cute

[rough drum]

yeh that’s on my mind

[lean arrow]

pali sina li pona

[rough drum]

👀

nimisin incoming anu seme 👀 👀

[gray turret]

kana
dream; trance, hypnosis, hallucination; illusion, fantasy, imaginary; narrative, story, myth
← Tulu ಕನ kana 'dream'
https://nimi.li/kana

inta
at least, definitely; yet
← Portuguese ainda 'still, yet, even'
https://nimi.li/inta

jule
indeterminate, inconclusive, tentative; unpredictable, unstable, volatile; to waver; to vibrate, to tremble, to wobble, to shake
← Japanese 揺れる yureru 'shake, vibrate, oscillate, waver'
https://nimi.li/jule

[dull matrix]

oh

[gray turret]

ta
(pre-predicate marker)
← ∅ (a priori)
https://nimi.li/ta
(glyph is usually extended?)

[dull matrix]

(example of extended)

[gray turret]

anta
grease, oil, slippery, salty, savory, umami
← Okinawan 油 anda 'oil'

[dull matrix]

i have an etym for anta

← Okinawan 油 anda 'oil'

[magic wolf]

i didn't make anta

[gray turret]

sole
present state, unchanged, unaltered, unaffected, instinct, habit, to use to, to tend to. | ALT. pre-kama state
← Spanish soler 'to use to, to tend to'
https://nimi.li/sole

[gray turret]

YOU DIDN'T?? i thought the nasin pi pilin uta was urs

[dull matrix]

(for the record u aren't including source languages in these etyms)

[gray turret]

oh oops

[dull matrix]

(also yeah i made anta)

[magic wolf]

yeah but i got pilin Powa to make it for me (evil)

[gray turret]

it wasn't on nimi.li

[magic wolf]

it was made after ma lili words got added

[dull matrix]

its split into another field for some reason idk

[gray turret]

its done

[native trench]

really love how the oni jume kana trio is a thing

[dull matrix]

look not my fault the other words r either deprecated, just "dream", or are powe

[gray turret]

here are six of my pets

[rough drum]

BASED

[rough drum]

this is doable! I'll just have to figure out how to... make it work y'know

it shouldn't be too hard!

most of the alt glyphs I have will be available but it is adding a new feature to the font so it'll be a nonzero amount of labor on my behalf

[magic wolf]

extended ta will look so. cute

i believe in u lipamanka

[dull matrix]

dog picture

[rough drum]

what i’m saying is that people should GIVE ME MONEY

if they want

https://ko-fi.com/lipamanka

that would be based

could? should? would? do it now?

idk which word works best

[lucid dew]

will works best

[rough drum]

people will give me money

[real bough]

people o give ona money

[dull matrix]

Ok

[rough drum]

lol

you don't have to

but it would be appreicated <3

[dull matrix]

i already have

[rough drum]

OH WOW TOO LATE

[dull matrix]

and wanted to

[rough drum]

mani mute

awwww

[wise garden]

where can i see the current progress?

[pearl portal]

... ja

[tepid tusk]

#4033 📣 ja - post-ku: marks the end of a preverb

• mi tawa ja pali e sitelen: I'm going (in order) to make some drawings.
• mi open ja olin ja telo e kasi: I'm starting to love watering the plants.
• mi wile mute ja sona e ni: I really want to know this.
Also usable with lu to mark the end of prepositions (see ... lu):
• mi pali e ni lu kepeken wawa ja luka mi: I made this by vigorously using my hands.
Write ... ja2 in #jaki for more details

[gray turret]

ok? they work differently

[pearl portal]

they do?

[gray turret]

a lil bit

[pearl portal]

y'all's is definitely better sound-wise

[gray turret]

mi open ja olin ja telo e kasi
is just mi open olin ta telo e kasi

[lament crag]

i feel like some of these nimisins are actually useful in daily use and then there's base and acid

[tepid leaf]

lol

so true

[bronze wraith]

I don’t have a custom glyph request but I have a soweli pic

[agile barn]

this alt glyph for kiki

[lean arrow]

I kind of like it but at the same time I feel like it could be an alt for leko

[agile barn]

ii disagree

leko isn't triangular

plus isn't this glyph from the creator of kiki?

[lean arrow]

I suspect the number of people who would use leko for a triangle are higher than the number of people who use kiki at all

[cinder wyvern]

not quite

[cinder wyvern]

see here

[lean arrow]

the convex triangle I know has been a proposed alt for a long time

like a year at least

concave?

shit I always get those mixed up

[agile barn]

concave is dented inwards like it's __cave__d in

[lean arrow]

yeah I know the pneumonic

I still get it mixed up if I don't think about it though

[rough drum]

so cute

[agile barn]

ohhh mnemonic

took me a moment

[loud jetty]

convex is vexed

[split kernel]

convex implies the existence of conweg

[pearl portal]

convex implies the existence of conevoker

[split kernel]

that too

[feral wind]

conallay as well

[real bough]

provex

[fast knot]

convex implies the existence of natvet

[lapis loom]

f(convex) is convey

[real bough]

d/dx convex is conve

[lean arrow]

conwug

[real bough]

when's wugcon 2023

[wispy rock]

ok i love the glyph . . . but
powe

[native trench]

kana is meant as a replacement/improvement of powe

this is also true of oni and jume because this idea has happened three times now

but oni and jume were eventually deprecated

[wispy rock]

iohhhhh

sick /pos

i like jule and anta too!

wish there were more nimisin starting with e though djgfh

oh! can ppl send their nimisin ideas here? or should they be discussed elsewhere first before being suggested for linja lipamanka?

[native trench]

if you’re coining it for the first time it’s probably better to discuss in #sona-musi first

[wispy rock]

fair! ty

[pearl portal]

i miss linjamanka streams

[rough drum]

i guess i have to do more

[tawdry shale]

lipa lipa lipa lipa MAAAAAAAnn ķª

[rough drum]

mi a

[rough drum]

thanks to @knotty widget i have an action plan

• take the glyphs i have so far and make a functioning font, release it as linja lipamank 1
• then make it look better and add nimisin and stuff

[loud jetty]

oooh

I like the idea of playing with it sooner

[rough drum]

yee

[gray turret]

it has been 2 days here is the obligatory repost
also, these references may be helpful (especially for sole)

(i didn't do inta because i have not seen it used once ngl)

[boreal verge]

hey!
i require assistance in a linja pona related matter

is there a way to extract the glyphs as perfectly centered rasterised images?

[formal cove]

had a python script that did something similar, i can modify it easily — what image size?

(do you need all glyphs? wile la i'll need a list of the words a a but other than that it should be all pona) (kin la if you have preference for color (eg. black word on transparent background) sina ken toki)

[boreal verge]

wa
ok it's not me who needs the glyphs, i'll get you two in contact

if that's ok

[pearl portal]

waitwait

~~https://nimi.li/sitelen/~~

[formal cove]

i'm sure there's an easier way lol

wa

[formal cove]

sure

[pearl portal]

that's linja nanpa though

also wait wrong link

also it's actually fairfax heck

ignore me for now

[formal cove]

a a

[pearl portal]

https://sitelen.nimi.li/

there we go

fairfax is pretty similar to linja pona anyway, except that it doesn't have massive circle pronouns

[formal cove]

oh that's a pona link

ike la you'd need to manually download all of them a a

that's nice tho

technically fairfax-pona-hd is the ""best"" font since on linku it has the most features out of all of them xd

[pearl portal]

depends on the usecase

[formal cove]

true

i'll just put the script here in case anyone else ever needs to generate pngs of a font ¯_(ツ)_/¯ change some variables inside and make sure the font file is in the same directory

[cinder wyvern]

also

... fontzip

[tepid tusk]

#10488 📣 extracted glyphs as PNG files
nasin nanpa: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027499591387578368/1028978781542690856/nn.zip
linja sike: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875761526642978897/978375907158941776/ls.zip
linja pimeja pona: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/301377942062366741/1025912605258297444/lpp.zip
linja pimeja pona, coloured:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052057795735855131/1052109455308898364/sitelen_kule_ale.zip
sitelen seli kiwen: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316066233755631616/1028999070628458546/ssk.zip
FairfaxHD: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316066233755631616/1029001619003686953/ffhd.zip

[formal cove]

oh! wow that's pona lol

[native trench]

nice

should the arrow in nasin be centered by the tip of the arrow or the center of mass of the whole shape

it’s the first one rn and it looks kinda offcenter

the space bracket words seem a bit long

[rough drum]

ye I did these all in a half hour so

or some man in my system did

either way it doesn't matter bc they'll be using anchors

because some selo glyphs have the containers up and others have em down

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> lipamanka streaming now???

@stable trench if ur awake

BASED

o lunch pona

[pearl portal]

in a voice call 😔

[rough drum]

@sturdy marlin thick!

[sturdy marlin]

wawa

[rough drum]

u can use it on wikipesija uwu

[vestal vault]

I just woke up , I'll join soon

[agile barn]

nice I'm in class right now and couldn't join though

did I do the 2 day thing for my name glyph?

[dense inlet]

yes

[agile barn]

nice ty

[rough drum]

ignore the bad name

<@&811644330770301008> prototype that only works with the 20 pu UCSUR glyphs ^^^

[native trench]

wow mute

[keen yew]

the 20 pu glyphs

[strong goblet]

wa

[vivid drum]

yaey

[rough drum]

this is the folder I saved it into

@dusk imp u can test it out

[tepid leaf]

i cannot (it doesn't want to install)

[dense inlet]

woah all 20 of them

[tepid leaf]

oh wow this slaps

󱤿󱥠󱥁󱤧󱤻󱤼󱥩󱤴

hm why tawa so high up

the whole thing is pretty high up, really

mayb it's just andika? idk

mu 󱤹 sitelen 󱥠 nope it's def high up

@rough drum o

[rough drum]

it’s definitley in the middle

latin is just low down

[paper grove]

omg.. epiku

[rough drum]

it does look good tho and also yeah tawa is too high

[paper grove]

󱦃

[rough drum]

do you think the midline should be lower so it matches up with lasina’s “mid”line

[tepid leaf]

MU 󱤹 にゃ〜ん SITELEN 󱥠 日

[rough drum]

like my midline should be a bit lower than the latin’s x height

[rough drum]

i wanna see what this looks like

[tepid leaf]

endon my

oh wow wenkai goes low

lol maybe i, known font-modder, shouldn't be the test for this

[rough drum]

maybe it is a bit high

i’ll try to

mix them with CJK glyphs

[tepid leaf]

yeah that would probs work better

the idea is basically that the bottom-most parts should be at the latin baseline (or below), while still being centred in its own space

[rough drum]

maybe it’s just bc all the glyphs are a bit smaller than their bounding box

which is my fault i kind of fucked it up

but besides that

if you can’t think of anything that needs fixing, i challenge you to tell me three things you like about it

@dusk imp i am starved for feedback and i need some before i fall asleep

[tepid leaf]

it reads really well!

like it has the vibe of if pu mono was better spaced

though,

󱥂󱥂

no it's well spaced

[rough drum]

YSASS

[tepid leaf]

i might make the spacing a tiny bit tighter

[rough drum]

based i mean it is basically that but with monothickness

[rough drum]

yes i was planning on scaling up all the glyphs by a tiny bit

[tepid leaf]

pona a

[rough drum]

which would do that

can you write a bunch with it and send me what it looks like

i am. in my bed

[tepid leaf]

󱤀󱤀󱤀󱤴󱤮󱥁󱤬󱥫󱥐
󱤴󱥠󱤼󱤂󱤙󱤿󱥠󱥍󱤑󱦐󱤥󱤊󱥎󱤋󱤕󱤅󱦑
󱤡󱤴󱤘󱤂󱥠󱥵󱤬󱥫󱤨
󱥨󱤻󱤧󱤈󱤬

huh

why

[rough drum]

oh it doesn’t support cartouches yet

as in

they’re bad

it technically supports them i guess

[tepid leaf]

thoughts:

• thin pini fucking slaps
• awen high up also
• the size differences actually feel so pleasant

[rough drum]

yessss thin pini

yeah i agree about awen

yes i agree

i am super happy with this

i will have to play around a bit though

with things

[tepid leaf]

it feels like i haven't actually been reading sitelen pona on a computer before this, lol

bc like i can read this almost perfectly

basically every other font has me Struggling

[rough drum]

SUCCESS

IM SO HAPPY

like literally made my day

[tepid leaf]

oh wait

ohhhhh i thought len just looked bad but that's bc of cartouches

makes sense carry on

[rough drum]

HA

yeah no that’s the stuff i did on my old laptop at high school in like March

which yeah looks bad

or not good enough

[tepid leaf]

󱤥󱤊󱥎󱤋󱤕󱤅

much better

[native trench]

smh esun doesnt do the curve up at the end

seriously la this looks very good

[rough drum]

i’m HAPPY

i’m very happy

ppl keep being like “this is really great. oh wait” (my heart drops) “no wait this is fantastic”

thank you @knotty widget for the

the

uh

what was it

[tepid leaf]

󱤻󱤹

[rough drum]

helping me with a strategy

[tepid leaf]

gods this fucking legibility

every other font is like "mu is musi with a dot right"

[rough drum]

HA YEAH

happy stims

so my design goals for linja sike are “looks good + has all the bells and whistles”

[tepid leaf]

󱦁 soko with no veil 🙄

[rough drum]

that is March Laptop soko

i have so far added 120 glyphs

the rest are bad

the soko i have planned to add does have a veil

my mom wants me to make her a maker’s mark (a stamp to like sign pottery things with) so i’m just gonna send her mama with the lipamanka glyph inside

[tepid leaf]

pfff

[rough drum]

ye

with a JR under it

bc those are her initials

[tepid leaf]

mama lipamanka junior

[rough drum]

(we have different last names you’ll never dox me)

@dusk imp can i add this as a testimonial when i put it on a site

[tepid leaf]

uh you can do the text but not the Identifying Info

[rough drum]

can i say

• local bird

[tepid leaf]

sure

[rough drum]

that way the people who actually know who you are already will know and only them

[rough drum]

@stable trench !!!!

[stable trench]

h

o

awesme

lemme check after chores

[rough drum]

name with a slightly unworse name

[stable trench]

finally a good font on my computer

[rough drum]

sjjfjsjshhdhshs

[stable trench]

literally like i havent been using sitelen pona on my computer becausse of this

[rough drum]

Oh

based !

use it now !

[rough drum]

<@&587034472898101250> pls pin

[rough drum]

HAH

[true stone]

I wonder why it can be pinned after it is pinned.

[tepid leaf]

because discord is a bad app

[rough drum]

global scale up

@stable trench how do I scale up all glyphs in the font without changing the width

[stable trench]

so

transfoirmation tool

theres functions for 1. scaling up 2. changing width

but you gotta do the math urself

[rough drum]

ah I see

and then I want them to get centered again - does that happen automatically?

like will the width change like

[stable trench]

i thgink that depends on the scaling settings

[rough drum]

on boht sides, or just the right?

ah so I can choose

[stable trench]

yea but iirc it was unclear which one meant which

so you might have to experiment

[rough drum]

okay cool 👍

[stable trench]

👍

[rough drum]

bc it's monospaced all I have to do is this lmao

fix the width to 1000

@stable trench

(it worked)

[stable trench]

awesoem

[rough drum]

success!

also just applied the same 106% shift in inkscape so everything is synced

I DO NOT have to copy over every single glyph again!!!

@dusk imp idk if you'll be able to notice a different but the spacing should seem a bit tighter because all the glyphs are bigger (I have not posted anything yet)

[tepid leaf]

󱤞󱥁󱤧󱥏󱤧󱥲
are the colour words this variable in pu???

[rough drum]

i think so

i can double check later those might need some tweaking

this is the kind of feedback i need because imo that doesn’t look too great

[tepid leaf]

󱤞󱥏󱥲󱤒󱤣󱤫 the "too high up" thing again

[rough drum]

oh shit ur right some of them ARE too high up

i’ll look into it

honestly it might be because of hinting. try zooming in or increasing text size? unless your text size is already pretty large in which case yeah tbh my bad

i just wanna make sure it’s not that

[tepid leaf]

it's Bigge rn

like uh 16 and i'm zoomed in like 125%

wait no 18

[rough drum]

can you try zooming in a bit just in case

either way i’d need to fix the hinting or something else i just wanna make sure i know what the problem is

[rough drum]

okay this is helpful

pimeja definitley is too high

the rest of them seem fine because they all have the same midline i think

try without pimeja

(i’m in bed again)

[tepid leaf]

yeah it's mostly pimeja

[rough drum]

also everything is slightly higher than kule

or at least it looks that way which is what matters

they do all have pointy tops so things might be literally above or below the midline to make them seem like they’re exactly on the midline - i haven’t balanced that yet though

okay the font is exciting but it’s time to try to sleep

i don’t have school for 13.5 hours but i still wanna get up with enough time to eat lunch yknow

[cinder wyvern]

oh wow
that .notdef is actually there

haha
negative space epiku

Hmmmmmm
namako is too wide to my eyes
you know what
that namako
leave that namako like it is
that way less people will use it

[tepid leaf]

󱥸 i think it might be one of the old glyphs?

[cinder wyvern]

old in what sense?

[tepid leaf]

yeah i meant old glyphs in that lipamanka started reworking it earlier and then started again

[cinder wyvern]

a

so that might also explain why the non-pu glyphs have a smaller line width
although all cartouche versions also are like that, so I can't be sure