linja lipamanka

[little flower]

Makes sense to me

[vestal vault]

pretty neat

[little flower]

Considering loje and laso

Since they also use uta and kasi

[vestal vault]

yeah

[little flower]

Actually a pretty clever design for the glyphs then

I dig it

[vestal vault]

yeah

[rough drum]

I think the lipu should be under not over

or at least for the uta one

[little flower]

Yea I probably agree

The uta one looks like an upside down soko

And switching them would make them fit better with loje

[rough drum]

plus the irregular nature of having them slightly inconsistent is really cute

[lament crag]

okay

changed glyph for apo

should i change enki's glyph too?

[rough drum]

no they shouldn't be touching

[lament crag]

what do you mean by touching

like these?

[fast knot]

that just makes it kinda look like some kinda lipu uta variant

[rough drum]

the point is that because there's no dot they can combine to form a new glyph

it's not like this symbol will actually get used

[indigo flicker]

Second request for Sanwisi

[kind wraith]

sintelen pona reminder

[real bough]

Second 2-day request for akesi~kon and [Nalasuni]

[rough drum]

I haven't finished the base font yet

you only need to request twice and then you're locked in probably

[cinder wyvern]

ok, I noticed I erroneously had the wavey glyph extention greyed out

[rough drum]

and most of those arrows aren’t available yet the diagonal ones

[cinder wyvern]

oh those were meant to be totally optional

[rough drum]

ah i see

they’re pretty easy to make tho

[cinder wyvern]

sure
but if a glyph is something like $ 10 each they're less formal submissions 😛

btw you'll have to tell me your rate

[rough drum]

oh uh i mean it’s free

hmm if minimum wage in my home city is 15 dollars

and i spend an amount of time making each glyph

one dollar for each six minutes…

hmm let’s say one glyph takes me 600 minutes then that’s 100 dollars a glyph

… does that seem like a good price /j

[cinder wyvern]

that does seem like a lot
but if that's your price, then that's your price
I might make less requests, though

[rough drum]

that was a joke lol it’ll be wayyyy less than that

also keep in mind that it’s like free you’re just choosing to pay me lsjflskdjsk

[cinder wyvern]

you deserve to be paid for your work!

[rough drum]

it will take me way less than 10 hours to make a glyph

more like 10 minutes

[cinder wyvern]

And I'm in a position to give

[rough drum]

so like maybe $2.50 a glyph

assuming it takes me ten minutes to make it

this seems like a good amount to me

And i’ll do a buy ten and your 11th is 20% off !!

or you could not pay me which is fine i want to make it clear that i set up a ko-fi because you want to pay me not because i expect payment

[cinder wyvern]

I'll definitely pay, and more than $2.50 a glyph (although I don't know how much more exactly yet)
but since you don't expect payment, I'll do it once you're done

[rough drum]

pona

considering that it will probably take me way less than 10 minutes to make a glyph (i could prolly bang a glyph out in like 30 seconds) my estimate is high

but unconsidering that and reconsidering how i have to like

[cinder wyvern]

do the whole font

[rough drum]

fine tune it and add opentype

oh right also the rest of the font that i’ve been doing for over a year without getting paid at all

[loud jetty]

I don't have a lot of money but I can pay at least Asking Price for any glyph I request

[rough drum]

nice

once again not required but

it would be cool to get money 💰

[loud jetty]

yee

[rough drum]

along with my completely free option and my $2.50 per glyph options, i’m also offering a 10 for $15 and a 100 for $50 and a 1000 for $350 and another completely free option but this time you gotta send me some jam in the mail

kakskkfkskskfj

do it tbh

pay me money to make a font

that is Not free though

[loud jetty]

lil note
when I was teaching trans voice, I started out charging a minimum of $free
when I switched that minimum to $1, my income per lesson quintupled, from $5 to $25
a lot of people weren't paying because of the friction of sending money online, rather than because they couldn't afford it
it sounds like you want to keep your minimum at $free which is fine
but I think encouraging a minimum donation of $2.50 per glyph would help you without any downsides

[rough drum]

so true bestie

i will keep my minimum zero dollars so that children who frequent this server and have complicated relationships with their shitty parents and zero money of their own can get THEIR GLYPH in a cool internet font

but i will strongly recommend that if you have money to spare, gimmie gimmie

also lmao i was in that situation until like a year and a half ago when i got a debit card for my birthday

sounds like you don’t have money to spare and therefore i am not recommending that you gimmie gimmie

[rough drum]

then my parents refused to give it to me for a few months because i had a C in one of my classes and i was depressed

👍

i was like “let’s go to the bank RIGHT NOW” and she was like “when you have all As then yeah”

[loud jetty]

oof

[rough drum]

parents are bad

[loud jetty]

lmao

[rough drum]

if your parents are bad i will make you extra glyphs for free

[paper grove]

mama sina

[rough drum]

that’s it. minimum $2.50 but people with shitty parents get 10 free glyphs free of charge

(every toki pona speaker lining up for their free 10 glyphs)

that’s a joke i’m sticking with the 0 min

[paper grove]

i think every company should do discounts for people with bad parents

they should be legally allowed to commit one crime a month also

[rough drum]

why because of my font or

wow i really am great

saving the world

ah yes

totally

SO TRUE

[hot pendant]

wait i forgot what glyph i had

oh that’s not about me :spair:

[pearl portal]

i was gonna donate but it's a direct? card payment which i think leaks my real name (which idk why i'm keeping hidden but i am)

personally on liberapay i take money via paypal and stripe, both of which are business accounts and thus pseudonymous (or at least i hope so)
but if you'd rather not then fair

[rough drum]

it’s not direct it goes through a thing

[pearl portal]

,,wait no that's pseudonymous on my end, idk if i can see other peoples' things

[rough drum]

i won’t be able to find your name

i don’t think

[pearl portal]

a

no but like it Says

-oh it uses stripe too

so at the very least it's not visible directly on the bank account

[rough drum]

ye

[pearl portal]

huh?

stripe error

so i presume ko-fi issue?

or did you have to make a stripe account for this

[wispy rock]

maybe puwa should be redrawn,

also may i ask! are the following nimi sin going into the next linja sike update?:
aki, owe, ola, the trio of *'ki', 'si' *and 'wi', nalanja

[native trench]

kisiwi will

[loud jetty]

mi uli i titi a lu tuki tiki
||re-requesting nimi ale pi toki sike
uhh but I can only afford to pay for like five of them actually||

re-requesting Keli or waso~Keli or waso~pi~len~suwi or however it would be encoded

re-requesting silapa, silapa1, silapa2, and silapa3

[agile barn]

2 day request for alternate tall mi & sina and alternate long ona & lape

[native trench]

those are going to be the defaults

[agile barn]

oh fr? nice

[rough drum]

i did

[real bough]

tempted by this possibility as well, tbh, it'd be cool to get some of my nasin sitelen fontified with proper ligatures/combining and stuff

[rough drum]

if you pay me i will do it

[vestal vault]

(this is not a request) I had an idea of having a butterfly as personal character based on how "Koko" can be written. but I can't decide which one to use so I ultimately decided to use my XwO cat lol. XwO cat is something I already use, and I like cats more than butterflies lol

[old mica]

I like the kasi one a lot! Very suwi

[hot adder]

via polls la, kulupu panke li pana e wile ni:

[rough drum]

pona a a a

[lapis loom]

waso Pewa Request

[lapis loom]

also! sppjE chart thing!

[little flower]

i havent seen this nasin sitelen before but i really like the waso and kijetesantakalu!

[lapis loom]

thanks :)

[hollow meteor]

I would like that waso too

and I’m not biased

Probably

[pearl portal]

i really feel this should be its own font

not that i know how to make font files

[lapis loom]

It will, and it’s up to lipamanka to decide which ones make it in or not

[rough drum]

LOOK AT THIS FUCKNG

SEWI

IT'S SO GOOD

ikr

it's like so good I' so happy with it

it's so CUTE

[rough drum]

I was on a vc with @stable trench and they left D=

[stable trench]

Minecraft,,,,

i will come back dont worry

[rough drum]

tbh gonna leave this in until someone asks me to fix it

it'll be our little secret

[vestal vault]

oh wow, this looks awesome

[little flower]

I like the pipi

[loud jetty]

these are gorgeous

what does the yellow mean

oh it's the fill color for the line

neat

[rough drum]

this is the .notdef glyph

yes that is a sharingan

he is a member of the uchiha clan

he wants his revenge

[loud jetty]

musi

[hollow meteor]

wile looking like something else in this image

[rough drum]

:3

[rough drum]

@dusk imp would you like to look over my glyphs soon? i’m almost done with them

[tepid leaf]

i've been pong

i will look at them

[rough drum]

pona

i am BATHING PRESENTLY but when i finish BATHING i’ll ping you aknew with my glyphs

[tepid leaf]

pls link the where i should look at thing

a

oki

[rough drum]

they’re not released or available yet

also

i might. redo all of them. today.

[bold inlet]

i would like to look at them as well

[rough drum]

i will be posting the glyphs here

like

in an image

[bold inlet]

nice

[bold inlet]

This has me very interested

[rough drum]

today i added about 80 glyphs

[bold inlet]

and the non joke ones are looking great

[rough drum]

thanks :3

[indigo flicker]

Not sure if these are going in but Latesujo and the related sulatesujon

The glyph for the latter replaces the former’s pona atop the tree element with a Cyrillic s, adding a Cyrillic m under the tree

Figured I should bring this up, I came up with sulatesujon almost just now; it’s a standalone interjection, like omekapo

[loud jetty]

snoweli

[vivid drum]

What's the orange parts about?

[rough drum]

oh just for fun

[native trench]

ona li namako

[pearl portal]

duotone sitelen pona 🤔

[stark wolf]

hope it’s not too late for this but)) request no. 2 for Lewi

[bold inlet]

Rerequesting them

Also this if it's feasible (still not sure)

[rough drum]

thank u for being cool

[rough drum]

also not sure

[bold inlet]

simply know 👁️

[gray turret]

I LOVE

[agile barn]

please center the glyph for uta1 properly

like it isn't vertically centered right now and that bugs me

[lament crag]

2nd request for enki and apo

[agile barn]

you got it sorted which is which with the litmus paper?

[rough drum]

oh what’s the etymology

i edited the requirements

[lament crag]

enki: japanese 塩基
apo: finnish happo

[lament crag]

acid makes litmus paper red and bases make it blue

unless you mean sth else

[rough drum]

and what do they mean also in japanese and finnish

[lament crag]

base and acid

[rough drum]

nice

[real bough]

I'm guessing the etymology thing is waived for name glyphs?

[rough drum]

I mean I'd still like to know what the glyph comes from

but yeah sure if you don't wanna tell me where the name comes from then that's fine

[vivid drum]

Is there a time limit of any sort?
(how long can I procrastinate on this)

[rough drum]

no there's no time limit

[real bough]

my name glyph is a nasin-laso-suno-ni compound from Nalasuni from the Magic card Nalathni Dragon

I have been unable to find a definitive origin for the card's name

[rough drum]

fascinating

[indigo flicker]

My name glyph derives from my namesake’s cutie mark (moku)

[pearl portal]

my name glyph is a bushy tail because «kita» in polish means bushy tail and i like bushy tails

[loud jetty]

titi a lu tuki tiki:
etymologies are all toki pona words
some titi are from sitelen pona, some are original, I believe those are all from jan Tumu?

name glyph:
waso with a bow because mi waso, and I like len suwi
Kelsey (given name) -> Kelly (I go by this to avoid the consonant cluster) -> Keli

si
i
ilapa:
I tried to make it look like a tall giraffe
"somewhat international ‘girafa’"

snoweli:
it's a soweli made of snow
English snow + toki pona soweli

[loud jetty]

hmm, I can't donate either. same error message

I tried both card and Apple Pay

[rough drum]

huh?

okay i’m gonna double check to make sure everything works…

[rough drum]

okay lemme

fuck i gotta submit my id

i have a passport

yay passport

[agile barn]

please make ku-compounds like ku-lon go above the ku glyph rather than in the center because this looks terrible

[rough drum]

ku isn’t a combining glyph

i can try to make it one but it wasn’t designed with that possibility in mind

[native trench]

make it so that the modifier replaces the dot/toki pona

/this would be funny but probably not actually a good idea

[rough drum]

it would be hard to balance but if he requests it again in two days i can make a specific one for ku+lon

and for any other specific requests that can run

*fit

[agile barn]

at that point i may as well design and request a name glyph, since that's what i was planning on using it for

literally just one that combines ku-ala like this would be all you'd need to make. this would be a name glyph for me because my name is not, in fact, in ku

should I DM you the soweli picture or what

[rough drum]

post it here

[rough drum]

so is your name “ku ala” or

because otherwise making your name glyph equilovant to that would be confusing

[agile barn]

oh true lemme rethink it

the whole jole is my name is not, in fact, in ku

[rough drum]

ur name is also not soweli is it

and my name isn’t ku either

WAIT NO IT IS

IM MENTIONED TWICE IN KU

fuck

[agile barn]

haaaa got em

how about this

some r/dontdeadopeninside vibes but still

[rough drum]

hmmm

do you have another defining trait or identity besides not being mentioned in a book that was in production two years ago

[agile barn]

i have many but i think this is a much funnier name glyph than anything else i could do

consider it my dumb sense of humor that is the defining character trait here

actually wait I know something

i'm not in pu either

[agile barn]

wait that means i'm lon ala pu, which also looks like "powe-pu" which is an acceptable pronunciation of my username based tp name, jan Puwepu

so okay nevermind me then im actually happy with it as is

[tawdry shale]

lol

[lime slate]

ona - the person to your left.
iki - the person to the left of who you are talking to.
ipi - the person to your right.
i - the person to the right of who you are talking to.

/j

[tepid leaf]

they’ll all require a zero after them because they are not really used at all but i still want them to be typable. but i’m still considering making them all identical to ona

like

is anyone going to use them?

[rough drum]

@knotty widget

[bold inlet]

There's a backwards compatibility argument for supporting them at all

Personally i'd want them to be the same as ona though since it's misleading otherwise

[distant maple]

ooh feature request @rough drum - cartouches that work with spaces. maybe the biggest reason I prefer other fonts is because underscores are a pain to type.

/sp text:mi jan [ken pi jo nasa]

[distant maple]

much easier

[loud jetty]

this conflicts with the tuki tiki object marker "i", so one of them would need to end in 1

[rough drum]

yeah this is actually pretty easy to do with opentype

i already did it lol

[tawdry shale]

is tuki tiki getting added

[humble dragon]

??

[tepid leaf]

ye it was requested

[tawdry shale]

wawa

[loud jetty]

wawa

[tepid leaf]

I think ko-fi should work now

[loud jetty]

it works!!

[tepid leaf]

woah am I rich now lemme check

FORTY???

FORTY ???? ??

am I reading right

[loud jetty]

yes

I requested more than 40 glyphs jdgdhsjd

[tepid leaf]

omg

this is true

thank you for paying more than the advised $0

[loud jetty]

you're welcome <3

[tepid leaf]

<3

[tepid leaf]

tbh I might just end up making a separate tuki tiki font too? idk

considering for combining glyphs to work I'd need to make at least 80 if not 120 glyphs anyway

[loud jetty]

either way you'd be making the first tuki tiki font I think

[tepid leaf]

hmmmm

okay I think for tuki tiki words there will be a very specific symbol

like | maybe?

or like %

no idea what. but all tuki tiki words will need it

and it won't be 0

0 is for toki pona nimisin that are not in use

[loud jetty]

that makes sense

[pearl portal]

not if i get to it first

[loud jetty]

same lmao

actually let's formalize it

this is a race

go

[loud jetty]

this symbol might be problematic if Discord autocomplete behavior changes in the future but
@ looks like the word tiki

[paper grove]

i suggest both yupekosi alternatives for linja sike

[cinder wyvern]

filled-out upside-down ?

[paper grove]

yeah

straight/curved Y too i guess

[tepid leaf]

WOAH

waso Keli ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) this symbol might be problematic if Discord autocomplete behavior changes in the future but
@ looks …

[loud jetty]

this comment motivated me to learn how to make ligature fonts, so thank you
tuki tiki font: https://kelseyhigham.github.io/kiku-upi-ala/

[little flower]

Damn Keli stole the crown

That's cool as heck though, I wish I could read it haha

[loud jetty]

the tuki is pretty paka'd because I'm still learning 😅

there's actually not much on there, the middle section is just a list of every titi

[little flower]

I'd love to learn it sometime, but I'm sure I'd mix it up with toki pona and make pakalas in both of them haha

[loud jetty]

hahaha

[little flower]

If my brain manages to mix up toki pona and hecking french, then I'm sure it'll mix tuki and toki too

[loud jetty]

interestingly, my brain mixes up french and toki pona too, but not toki pona and tuki tiki

[little flower]

That's weird

[loud jetty]

every tuki tiki word comes from a toki pona word, which maybe helps somehow?

[little flower]

Idk, it's just funny to think back when I was doing french and I sometimes accidentally used la, lon and e but in a French accent lmao

[loud jetty]

omg

[little flower]

though I could just pretend the "e" was me thinking and doing an uhhhh sound 😎
So hopefully it wasn't too suspicious

By the way, are there any good tuki tiki learning resources? Or is it pretty much only the Excel spreadsheet you gotta learn from?

I remember I looked into it a bit over a year ago, but theres probably new resources now, now that the toki pona community has grown even more

[loud jetty]

ka Tumu is working on a new intro document! I'm not sure if I'm supposed to share it but it's on the server

https://discord.gg/X2zjN74Qvm

[little flower]

Ah thank you!

Imma save that and join (maybe) eventually

[loud jetty]

a a pula

[little flower]

There's too many dumb conlangs I wanna learn haha

[loud jetty]

same

[little flower]

And I'll never get around to most of em

Like folkspraak, lidepla, getting back into esperanto, uwulang etc

[loud jetty]

I wasn't expecting to become a conlanger
but I didn't know about minilangs
ona li pakala ala e lawa mi

[little flower]

Yeye

The neatest conlangs

Cause you don't have to spend 3 years studying with 2 other speakers and 0 resources

[loud jetty]

yes haha

we are blessed with toki pona

[little flower]

Bless the third/second largest conlang

And the fact that it's so simple and small

[agile barn]

lowercase letters a and e

don't know how this just occurred to me but man if \a turned into just a lowercase "a" id be so happy

same goes for \n

[kind wraith]

sintelen pona reminder

[half sun]

for the etymology thing from a while ago, it might be obvious but Kosomo comes from english cosmo lol

[tepid leaf]

yes

[distant maple]

suggestion: make the tuki tiki marker a lowercase letter so the words and the marker are typable in the same place and you don't have to switch keyboards once per word

actually now that I mention it do the same thing with meli1 and mije1

lmeli and lmije or something (lowercase L)

[tepid leaf]

they keyboard also has numbers on it

but I did forget about letters

[distant maple]

if there's ever mute versions of a glyph use l, ll, lll, etc

for meli1, meli2, etc

(i am a meli1 / mije1 glyphs only user)

[tepid leaf]

l?

[distant maple]

it's on the letter keyboard so user doesn't have to switch, it's part of the tp alphabet so 14-key keyboards can still use it, and you can stack them so they look like wan, tu, mute

just an idea 🙂

[tepid leaf]

hmmm

yeah using l at the end is a very good idea

because words never end with l

but then say i was writing jelo

the glyph for je would come up

that’s what i’m trying to avoid here actually

[distant maple]

what do you mean, are you using a keyboard that autofills or smth?

[tepid leaf]

if i typed “jel” the glyph for the word “je” would come up

before i type the o at the end

which is why i’m adding a special character at the end

to prevent that from happening

i don’t want weird words to show up as people type

[lapis loom]

Isn’t that inevitable?

All fonts I’ve used do that

[distant maple]

mu musi, kala kalama?

[tepid leaf]

hmmm maybe you’re right

jan Eweke ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) Isn’t that inevitable?

i’ll have to rethink if i even want to do this

but the tuki tiki symbols will be different

they’ll need something at the end

[distant maple]

ti or t

[loud jetty]

a certain amount of it is understandable, like the glyph for "a" popping up all over the place

[tepid leaf]

well a is fine becauee every toki pona speaker uses that word

but tbh this isn’t even a problem ngl

[distant maple]

well anyway most of the reason i didn't really use linja sike 5 was because the words/cartouches were just sorta hard to type

if you made it just-normal-keyboard compatible i would be a convert :3

+it would be compatible with nasin Wakalito

[tepid leaf]

i see

yeah i could possibly work on that

just like linja sike five it will be completely normal keyboard compatible

[native trench]

what if a space is part of the ligature so it only appears after you press space

[loud jetty]

a word at the end of a message wouldn't be visible then

(also a word before a period, colon, line return, and any other supported punctuation)

(but those could be ligatured in)

[tepid leaf]

seems pretty annoying tbh

jan Seli ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) what if a space is part of the ligature so it only appears after you press space

[native trench]

yeah fair

[tepid leaf]

you’d need a space after every word

[native trench]

i mean this is already the case except for the end and with punctuation, and punctuation could also trigger the ligature i think

[tepid leaf]

but then where did the punctuation go

ono

imo it’s not a good idea

[native trench]

isn't it possible to have a character that changes how a previous character looks while still being present

[tepid leaf]

yes

but not if that previous character is not ligatures yet

[native trench]

yeah i dont think it's a particulary good idea but i figured i would suggest it bc i want to know if it's possible

[tepid leaf]

it’s compacted lop

there are annoying ways to make it work that i don’t wanna do but it is possible

[loud jetty]

that still wouldn't be possible because a word at the end of a message or document wouldn't be converted

[native trench]

yeah you'd have to add an additional space

[loud jetty]

which would be annoying for frequent users, and infrequent users would forget to do it most of the time

0 la
I assume the font includes Latin letters to provide feedback about what you've typed, which helps with avoiding typos
having nimisin like "je" pop up means you need to learn them to know whether you're typing correctly
that's a pretty good reason to require a 0, imo

[tepid leaf]

i suppose

maybe for ones that are not used

like je isnt used

[loud jetty]

yeah

[tepid leaf]

but wa is

so idk

[loud jetty]

maybe you could pick a Linku usage survey cutoff

[tepid leaf]

okay i’ll prolly do that

and any other words added will require either a zero or to start with a capital letter (name glyphs)

oh what if tuki tiki words were just all caps

[loud jetty]

that would be really cute I love that

hmm that would capture the words A and I at the beginning of any proper name glyphs

[tepid leaf]

oh those are tuki tiki words?

hm maybe those would have to be AA and II

[loud jetty]

a is from a, i is from e

[tepid leaf]

so then a is no problem if it’s the same glyph

[loud jetty]

leftmost column, here's the glyphs

they look like ! and ->

[distant maple]

i still don't know what you mean by "pop up"
like what ilo are you using that does this

@rough drum too

[loud jetty]

typing in a text editor with a QWERTY keyboard

if you type "kijetesantakalu", the sitelen for the nimisin "je" replaces the letters "je"

until you finish the word, then the whole thing becomes "kijetesantakalu"

[distant maple]

ah i see

lol i forgot that it is a downloadable font, so far i only use sitelen pona in /sp ilo Linku

[loud jetty]

ahh yeah, then it's only an issue if you typo. and Discord shows you the original message, so typos aren't confusing in the same way

[distant maple]

pona

in that case, what if you just marked any nimi sin by beginning the word with n

nje = je

[loud jetty]

I would prefer that all words be consistent, because I'll forget that "A" and "I" are exceptions as I'm typing
so I would prefer a symbol like @ be appended to every word

ante la, a separate font entirely would simplify all this

[pearl portal]

issue: both nja and ja exist

or well "exist"

i haven't seen anyone use ja in a while

[distant maple]

these would be nnja and nja ig lol

[kind wraith]

begin with s instead

sja, sje, snja, sslape

[pearl portal]

maybe begin/end with punctuation

slape'

-oh no wait sorry the entire point is to have it accessible on sp keyboards

hm

[kind wraith]

begin with capital n or someting

[tepid leaf]

okay idea for how to specify scaler vs stacking: - is the default option, + is scalar, = is stacking, and ~ is any special combo. if there’s no scaler option, for example, + will default to stacking. if there’s no special combo (this is true most of the time), ~ will default to whatever the default is. putting one of those four symbols between two words that can be combining words will always combine them in some way.

palisa-olin will display two separate glyphs. palisa-pan will put the pan inside the palisa

baguette lol

[distant maple]

hm so how would you type "toki pona" with the properly placed pona, would it be special combination toki~pona ?

[tepid leaf]

any combination will give you the one that looks good lol

[vestal vault]

I like the idea of having special combiner. I'm assuming it's for something like this

oh wow, fairfax's musi looks funky

[tepid leaf]

fairfax is just linja pona 3 (linja sike used to be linja pona 2)

the new linja sike is gonna be it’s own better thing

oh no for UCSUR it’ll use the same strategies farfax uses

tonsi Koko ᜃᜓᜓᜃᜓᜓ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) I like the idea of having special combiner. I'm assuming it's for something like this 📎

[vestal vault]

ah

hmm, then what special combiner does?

[tepid leaf]

that’s for the latin typing

[vestal vault]

ah, I see

[tepid leaf]

stuff like this

[vestal vault]

I see

[cinder wyvern]

toki~pona would, if there was a special combo, give you that, probably, but if there isn't a special combo, it'd fall back to toki-pona - which I'd expect to be the same as toki+pona

[tepid leaf]

ye

[rough drum]

gotta add this

it's too cursed to not add

credit to @magic wolf

[stoic rivet]

can it be a? or will that break things

[magic wolf]

no i didn't do this waso Ela did

[rough drum]

oh? did I misremenber

OH WHOOPS

[rough drum]

itll be seme+a

or rather seme~a

[junior wolf]

but then we need seme~o

seme~kin

etc

[rough drum]

lol

[distant maple]

oh sick, yeah

feature request: convenient way to type interpunct. two periods in a row maybe?

[pearl portal]

or one period even

actively discourage latinist punctuation

[humble dragon]

wait till you hear where the word "interpunct" comes from

[real bough]

should we call it a pipimeso instead

[rough drum]

oh yeah definitely

[native trench]

i often use hyphens as a stand-in for interpuncts when typing, but i don’t think i’d ever use a hyphen in sitelen pona
how about one hyphen for interpunct and two for a full-width dash?

[real bough]

hyphens are already used for compounds

[native trench]

it would have spaces on both sides so i don’t think it would be an issue

[distant maple]

facts, can one period be interpunct and two be normal period

[humble dragon]

ehh it really feels like you're really pushing it onto people at that point

[distant maple]

and yea is there any reason space hyphen space can't be interpunct too?

[humble dragon]

like i get the vibe

the vibe is ok

just i don't think not using period is a decision that everyone would want made for them

[distant maple]

you're right, it should be up to everyone 🙂

turning periods into interpuncts is a big change but i'd personally like to see it

[loud jetty]

I prefer periods to interpuncts because interpuncts can look like lili

[agile barn]

name glyph for me. because "Asike" is an acceptable pronunciation of my name, and it's funny

[pearl portal]

add these ai-generated glyphs

[rough drum]

i’ve done something similar with Asuli it should be in linja sike five

oh i will also add nele

[paper grove]

are you kidding? lipamanka would never add ijo, ala, jan, and kiwen /j

[native trench]

the jan there is like, the opposite of mije if jan were the center
new meli glyph just dropped

[pearl portal]

i think i've seen something like this proposed for tonsi

[gray turret]

ijo
nenman
pimeeja
ala

Jan (he has a big head)
ball
odǝu
loso

mutete
lekolekoleko
kiwen
ngl this one just looks like a butt idk

ma
𝕞𝕒
loko
il

[rough drum]

oh I forgot, yes I will add them with AI generated names too

[pearl portal]

oh no please don't that was a Joke

[rough drum]

no I will

theyre good glyphs

actually I'l just ad them to the font file without ligatures or codepoints

and eventually people can assign their nimisin to them if they want

one of them is already nele tho

[pearl portal]

hey that was my idea,,

-or well with codepoints but still,
and human-generated,

[rough drum]

the only words that get codepoints are the ucsur ones

[pearl portal]

ah interesting

i expected them to get their own ultra-private-use things but fair

[rough drum]

no because I want to make sure it's compatible with any standardization

[pearl portal]

a

[real bough]

these are some good glyphs, did you make them?

[pearl portal]

ye

[real bough]

was the context "I just want to make some Good Shapes" or what?

[pearl portal]

pretty much

procrastination on fixing the main set

[real bough]

inspiring me to revisit my 5x5 grid alphabet :)

[loud jetty]

wa that's cute

[real bough]

tan akesi kon [nalasuni]
jo weka pu li nimi tonsi```

[agile barn]

I remember thats what inspired it

ping was supposed to be off but my phones glitchy so idk if it did that or not

another joke alternate: round version of the symbol for "a", so an "a sike"

[rough drum]

a a

[agile barn]

also there's these. be not afraid

[rough drum]

lmao

[distant maple]

another tiny feature request: if they don't do anything already, ( and ) make cartouches just like [ and ]. parentheses are easier to type on iOS! ideally i'd be able to type jan KePiJoNa as jan (ken pi jo nasa)

[rough drum]

i suppose yeah

[junior wolf]

idea

[distant maple]

yay sina pona :3

[junior wolf]

a version of the font without ligatures for typing

you have to use PUA code points

[rough drum]

i’m going to make a ligatureless version that uses UCSUR codepoints

[junior wolf]

uhhhhh

what about the non UCSUR words

[rough drum]

they won’t be typable

or perhaps they’ll use zwj in funky ways

[pearl portal]

sitelen seli kiwen uses another pua block for those

interestingly it's conjoined with the compound glyphs (which i presume have to be encoded for technical reasons??)

[loud jetty]

I don't think the font inherently needs those symbols to have codepoints

but giving them codepoints means that they can be used in an environment without ligatures

[pearl portal]

yeah but like, anpa+lawa has a single codepoint in addition to the zwj method

holdover of the old proposal? hopefully not

[loud jetty]

that's what I mean yeah. mi sona ala e tan

[pearl portal]

-oh without ligatures as in without zwj·s

[loud jetty]

uhhh I misread but my point still stands

zwj is basically just a codepoint intended for specific kinds of ligatures right

[pearl portal]

no i mean i misread

i thought you meant no ascii ligatures whereas you meant no pua+zwj+pua ligatures

[loud jetty]

I did mean no ASCII ligatures

[pearl portal]

a

[lean arrow]

I want a name glyph but I have no idea what it should be

I've been using [toki en nasa ilo] for my cartouche lately if that helps you give a suggestion

[rough drum]

what about based on the wolf in ur pfp

take the most important lines and draw all of them

then remove as many of the least important of those lines as you can with it still looking like the wolf

or is it a dog I forget

[humble dragon]

what is a name glyph

[rough drum]

a glyph that represents your name

[lean arrow]

it's a wolf

there's not many lines to it ...

hm

msa..

[rough drum]

I can try later

but I have to do HOMEWORK

[lean arrow]

o pali a

[loud jetty]

woof

[rough drum]

kejfjskdjdjjnns

[white cove]

@lean arrow for a long time I thought your avatar was a polar bear

which is a comparably ass kicking animal if not more so
but it is not very wolf like lol

[sturdy marlin]

tenpo ale la mi pilin e ni: sitelen li soweli pi telo walo moku

[loud jetty]

it's always been pretty clear to me that it's a woof

[rough drum]

i love wooves

[loud jetty]

a a

[real bough]

considering an alternative name glyph but it's probably too geometric for linja sike 6

etymology: nlsn and also it's a dragon+sunrise

[rough drum]

well I can definitely use it as a base

I do use besier curves and not perfect circles and the like

[rough drum]

okay update I will now remake every single glyph in the entire font 👍 this is like, counts uh about a thousand fuck

and that's in the base ku font

the UCSUR

FUCK

WHY AM I DOING THIS TO MYSELF

for the aesthetic, that's why

[cinder wyvern]

now?

[rough drum]

like soonish

hmm

I mean those glyphs aren't designed for stacking

[wispy rock]

i hope it's alright to ask for a name glyph for Pami 👉 👈 i know u've gotten plenty of requests

re-alligned the emmitters

[rough drum]

nice

yeah I can do that

[wispy rock]

thank you so much!! ^w^

it's pana merged with mi and a mora dot, for reference

[tepid leaf]

so uh
i've been Thinking about a few things regarding name glyphs
mainly: oh gods what does this mean for ppl's privacy
having my name (even if it's a tp name) in a publicly available font is making me uncomfortable, and i'm sure there's others who haven't thought of it that way
just like. idk smth to keep in mind i guess
like a disclaimer to ppl who get theirs put in

this has been bird thoughts

[rough drum]

oh that’s a very good point

before i make each glyph i will ask the person to make sure

also there are other waso pimejas who want the waso with the pimeja hat

[tepid leaf]

corvids stealing from each other 😔

[rough drum]

LMAO SO TRUE

this one is a crow tho

[tepid leaf]

a waso pimeja nonetheless

[rough drum]

yes

[pearl portal]

thinking about: website name glyphs
issue being that it could lexicalize e.g. Siko for discord etc
,,except Seka which i forgot to request

[tepid leaf]

hm,

[pearl portal]

corollary of the lexicalization issue is that we might get the equivalent of people getting bullied for being named alexa

e.g. the popular tokiponization for github is Kita (and i am Not changing my name for a third time)

[tepid leaf]

then you will simply have to accept all pull requests 🙄 /j

[pearl portal]

plus there are already many logo fonts and logo collections so not much point in having them in linja sike too

gonna request Seka though

the version on the site has 2 dots due to pixel size constraints but maybe 3 would be better idk

[wise garden]

Requesting Name(?) Glyph: Losupan
from Lojban “Lojban”
It is the Lojban logo, but black.

[humble dragon]

spiky

[indigo flicker]

Lojban lojban loj loj ban

I too want this in

[rough drum]

it might be too complex for a glyph but i can try

[real bough]

loje pan

[rough drum]

making some progress

@dusk imp any thoughts

[agile barn]

‏RTL-LTR errors are my passion

[rough drum]

what where

[loud jetty]

this is such a good line thickness

[rough drum]

thank youuu

thank youuuu

[loud jetty]

it really feels like you drew these with a felt tip

[little flower]

i really like the kasi and the laso

[cinder wyvern]

that's so many already!

[rough drum]

yep

[vestal vault]

niice

[native trench]

CREATURE

REAL

[paper grove]

keep that in the font as an alt

[cinder wyvern]

that suli sure is suli

[native trench]

make it sulier /j

i think this soweli and a suli that’s several times bigger should be available as alts

[rough drum]

these are the right sizes and proportions I think

[native trench]

add a lili alt that is 10x smaller

[rough drum]

don

e

[vestal vault]

nimi pu a

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> y'all! first batch of glyphs is done, feedback please!

[lucid nymph]

I love

[cinder wyvern]

I very much like it

should emitters be somewhat consistent? There's quite some variation

imo waso's eyes are to close to the line

[rough drum]

it's all based on pu

[wooden flame]

the creature

[cinder wyvern]

sewi's uppermost line has a hole?

[rough drum]

so any variations in emitters are present in pu

[paper grove]

kalama is comically small

[rough drum]

that's a weird rendering issue

[cinder wyvern]

oh ok

[wooden flame]

kalama lili

[cinder wyvern]

Some round stuff looks a bit artificial
nasa, to my eyes, might be more... connected lines that got rounded a bunch?

[pearl portal]

lawa is xkcd /pos

[tepid leaf]

• why is la not centred
• open's inner line is super close to the bottom, it'd look like poki to me at mildly small sizes
• nanpa is really... square? it doesn't look like a #
• kalama is tiny while jan is huge

set ur headnoun to lipamanka ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1053850152932233266 message)

there's more but bird sleemby

[pearl portal]

personally dislike the massive ijo

[rough drum]

without red

[cinder wyvern]

I think I prefer pona and ike to be a more shallow curve
oh and wan isn't centered as such, unlike taso, interesting

[indigo prairie]

some of the sizing looks a bit inconsistent, not all of it just noticeable with mute, kule, walo, pimeja
also some just look too bubbly compared to others, noticeable with mine, sewi, and sorta tenpo
jo seems a bit small
thats about it, i do like the looks of the others but im only really saying the not epiku stuff

[cinder wyvern]

no variation in mute : (

[rough drum]

I was basing them off these ->

[paper grove]

even if this is how it looks in pu, i think some of the glyphs would look better if they were closer to linja sike 5

[cinder wyvern]

uh-oh

[vestal vault]

this is just me but I prefer pona and ike end in an angle instead of making it look like a semicircle

[wooden flame]

will "the creature" be a variant of soweli?

[native trench]

pu seems to have two distinct sets of sizes for glyphs and i don’t think i’ve seen any font keep that

[rough drum]

yes

[paper grove]

soweli of nightmares

[native trench]

i don’t know if it’s something that should be kept but it’s interesting

[steady cape]

I feel lipu should have more similar proportion to sitelen and pu

[native trench]

keep soweli Creature 🙏

[paper grove]

look mom, my funny soweli i drew in 30 seconds is in linja sike, i told you i would make it big mom

[rough drum]

as for la, yep that was an oversight

hey someone give me a sentence

using pu words

[paper grove]

kijetes

damn

[rough drum]

like a nice poetic sentence

[paper grove]

pi pi pu pu

[steady cape]

toki pona li toki suli tawa jan pona.

[native trench]

jan pi pipi mama li ma lon kalama kama

[indigo prairie]

mi wile lape la mi pali mute tan seme aaaaaaaaaa

[fast knot]

mi sitelen e nimi mute pi toki pona

[native trench]

mu li mu e mu

[indigo prairie]

o a e a ni

[misty lantern]

sina jo e jan pi ken ale la, sina wile e seme tu wan?
||If you had a genie, which 3 wishes are you picking?||

[rough drum]

I'm doing this one

[steady cape]

Strange thought regarding the pronouns: in previous fonts, they used similar sized circles as the jan glyphs, like meli, mije, mama, etc. I know we're wanting them to look more similar to nasin pu, but it seems like since we're going for smaller size circles, we should align them with jo and lape, which also have similar sizes.

[rough drum]

it definitely needs some tweaking but I'm very happy with it so far

[rough drum]

I'm not going for any type of geometric derivation. all of these were drawn by hand proportionally to each other and to the ones in pu so I don't really want to do a lot of that

[indigo prairie]

main ijo nasa for mi is just sizing but i like the looks of most of the glyphs

[stoic rivet]

I love how tiny lili is

[rough drum]

I'm trying to copy the proportions in pu and make a font that uses a single thickness stroke basically

[rough drum]

this is probably because you're used to linja pona's stretching of glyphs

[quiet plaza]

this was my goal with linja suwi

[rough drum]

hmmm

do you have an image of all the linja suwi glyphs

[steady cape]

Then I'll defer my preferences about sizing for now. I was going to mention that jan seemed a bit large and the negative space of the head was absorbing my soul but I like the hand drawn look for the most part!

[indigo prairie]

ken but difference in sizing between glyphs especially li and tawa is noticeable

[paper grove]

i might stick with linja sike 5 honestly, not sure

[rough drum]

I think some of the glyphs are just a bit too small becuase my reference was smaller than the space I was using to draw them (and I couldn't resize it so I tried to scale them up in my head)

so I'll have to make a lot of them slightly bigger

[indigo prairie]

a

well the glyphs look good so far

[steady cape]

That might work as well. It's incredibly polished already imo.

[rough drum]

linja sike 5 isn't going anywhere. I am just making linja sike 6 because I dislike a lot of things about linja sike and I want to use my influence to help get people in the community to think about the glyphs more as they are in pu

[steady cape]

One of these days I'll make either a linja luka or a linja nanpa, maybe both

[native trench]

would it make sense to number this differently
since linja sike 6 is starting from scratch

[indigo prairie]

is there a pu font

[tepid leaf]

yes

[indigo prairie]

downloadable?

[indigo prairie]

ona li nasa lukin

[tepid leaf]

indeed

[indigo prairie]

spacing is nasa

[tepid leaf]

bc it's not like. Designed

[rough drum]

I implore people who feel like this new style is a bit off to try to use it and get used to it for a bit because when it's done, it's going to be designed with better principles in my opinion

[tepid leaf]

it's just the svgs put haphazardly into a font

[paper grove]

yeah, maybe i'll get used to it

[steady cape]

to give some praise since I've only really criticized so far: I really like lawa. it tickles the feel-good bits of my brain

[quiet plaza]

yea it's in the root of the repo

also linjasuwi.ap5.dev lists all the glyphs

[rough drum]

hmm I think the sizing of linja suwi differs from pu, at least more than mine does

[quiet plaza]

so far this feels like a more hand drawn looking take on what i was going for

[tawdry shale]

@rough drum
hello OP, sorry for the ping, can you remember to put a glyph for toki pona? it's like the one for toki (it's a circle with three lines on top) and there's a pona inside (the pona is like a smiley face but without the eyes) (pona means good). I think it would be pretty cool to be able to like, put a drawing inside another (like in german), I think it could even become the logo of the language, has anyone thought of that before?

[quiet plaza]

i like the general style a lot!

[rough drum]

thanks!

I'm just trying not to change any of the proportions

[quiet plaza]

feedback: tawa/kama look cramped, meli's arc is awkward, kalama is tiny/cramped, kepeken looks disproportional, unpa is too phallic, wile looks like a butt, ko is too convex/looks like a puddle

[rough drum]

kalama is perfectly sized I think

[tawdry shale]

where can I see the current ones

[tawdry shale]

I'm very out of the loop, sorry if you've answered this before, but are you going for something closer to pu? (as implied by this image)

[rough drum]

yes

I'm basically taking the sizes and proportions from pu and making a monospaced font out of them

[tawdry shale]

gotcha

[lapis loom]

the middle emitter on toki touching the circle is bothering me greatly is that how it is in pu

[quiet plaza]

the scaling ratio of characters isn't something that should be treated as a constant imo, sonja literally just doodled them with a sharpie on some index cards one day and scanned them into her book

[tawdry shale]

that's a very good summary

[rough drum]

as for ko I think this is fine

I think your ko is too geometric a a a

(ijo ana o)

[quiet plaza]

I don't like my ko

[rough drum]

ahhh I see

well once again these are the first drafts

[quiet plaza]

i think it needs to be more concave, that's it

[rough drum]

I'll have to like. check to see if they actually look good in a font context

[quiet plaza]

stick a straw into it and suck

[rough drum]

I'll fiddle around with ko

do you like my jaki tho

I like my jaki very much

[lapis loom]

noka broke btw

[quiet plaza]

chaotic doesn't have to mean ugly

[native trench]

i hadn’t considered before that they may not have been drawn with a fixed reference size
sona pona

[steady cape]

jaki looks very close to the original. I just happen not to like the top loop on jaki.

[quiet plaza]

(what i described is literally how sitelen pona was designed)

[native trench]

a

[cinder wyvern]

rendering issue

[lapis loom]

ok

[rough drum]

yeah sonja and I have talked about it before she used a program somewhere to take the images on the index cards and turn it into vectors

so I assumed she resized them to her liking

but I don't actually know that for sure

in any case I might "equalize" it a bit by making some glyphs scaled up or scaled down, without stretching any. I want them to still be proportional to themselves as they are in pu; that's very important

[quiet plaza]

i think literal pu-rity is less important than style and readability in a lot of cases

[rough drum]

if other fonts are gonna copy me as much as they've been doing I want them to be copying something that someone learning toki pona using only pu could read without getting confused

[quiet plaza]

scaling up glyphs and especially opening up spacing between lines

[lapis loom]

please answer

[quiet plaza]

is this a thing?

[rough drum]

it's a balance for sure

[rough drum]

other fonts copying linja sike? oh yeah

[quiet plaza]

i want to make linja suwi 2 at some point

[rough drum]

it has a lot of features and a lot of other fonts just copy those features

thereby copying some of the basic ideas behind the contours

[steady cape]

see: pronoun shifts since linja pona

[rough drum]

oh I forgot about this lmao
yeah I've been thinking about that .. names have power but

[native trench]

could be linja sike sin or linja sike pu

[rough drum]

maybe

[native trench]

linja Sinke 😳

[rough drum]

basicaly my idea here so far was

OMG

okay but anyway basically my idea here so far was to just copy pu as faithfully as possible, and next I'm going to fiddle around for readability's sake

[quiet plaza]

I've never understood why this happened

or why linja pona was treated as a standard

[steady cape]

tan linja pona

[quiet plaza]

it's really ugly imo

[quiet plaza]

i am aware yes

i know toki pona font history quite well

[steady cape]

it was one of the best early fonts for it as far as functionality (especially for people like me who really heavily compound our sitelen)

[lapis loom]

[paper grove]

linja pona pronouns

[rough drum]

I mean I copied linja pona

no more

[quiet plaza]

given that i am one of the three people who decide canon sitelen pona

[rough drum]

OH RIGHT

THAT'S TRUE

I'm the only one who's still super active in the community out of the three of us lol

[quiet plaza]

yeah i just

[rough drum]

you're busy

is fair

[quiet plaza]

everyone i used to talk to wasn't here anymore

[rough drum]

OH RIGHT

that too

[quiet plaza]

and so i never engaged

anymore

[rough drum]

yeah I mean. half of the people I used to talk to aren't here anymore

[steady cape]

this channel is the real reason I stick around. I enjoy watching it evolve

[rough drum]

but enough people I like stayed to make talking here still engaging

lol

[quiet plaza]

kulupu En, asali, soweli nata, etc

[steady cape]

I do show up whenever I feel I'm getting rusty, but that's rarer as I'm starting to teach irl friends

[quiet plaza]

also i gradually lost interest in the toki pona community since there wasn't really a space anymore like pre summer 2021 ma pona

nowhere that people spoke both in and about toki pona, that felt friendly and warm

[rough drum]

yeah totally

I agree

[quiet plaza]

and the toki pona taso spaces are not my thing

[rough drum]

I became active at like the tail end of before cool people started to leave one by one

and now I'm cool people

😎

someone I met at college a few months ago knew me from online it's so weird

[quiet plaza]

sometimes i like speaking in languages that let me concisely express abstract concepts

[quiet plaza]

that would be weird lol

i can imagine that happening with me

[rough drum]

it was

don't you own the linux server

[quiet plaza]

i run one of the biggest linux distro discord servers

the one for arch

[rough drum]

yeah

I heard

[quiet plaza]

so if i show up to the linux user group meeting

(i did once, they were all pretty boring)

there's a pretty good chance

[rough drum]

I saw a linja sike glyph in a random youtube video recently

the one thing about being a typeface designer is that you're appreciated silently as part of other people's art

wow linja sike more like ijo ana reminisces on the times gone by

[steady cape]

don't be sad, time is fake /j

[rough drum]

okay I'm gonna respond to the stuff I didn't respond to yet

• I agree about tawa, I don't agree about kama, so I made tawa more spaced out
• I changed meli's arc
• I think kepeken is better now thanks for the tip
• I want unpa to look just as phallic as it does in pu
• wile does look like a butt you're right. I don't think it's practical to make a wile that doesn't look like a butt and the one in pu looks like one so I'm fine with this

I'm probably going to scale up kalama too

[quiet plaza]

.sp wile

[rough drum]

looks like a butt to me tbh

[quiet plaza]

too pointy

[native trench]

ale is a butt too

[quiet plaza]

.sp ale

[quiet plaza]

... what

[rough drum]

is it?

I don't see it

I mean like I guess but not really

[native trench]

idk i dont think wile looks that much like a butt anyway
so ale is also maybe possibly a butt if you think about it
bc of the two circles

[rough drum]

I guess yeah

[lapis loom]

i like this wile its fun

[rough drum]

wile looks more like a butt than ale but that doesn't really matter

we stan butt wile

[lapis loom]

ok but please tell me you will give just like a hair more space to the middle emitter in toki i'm begging please

[rough drum]

hmm yeah

[lapis loom]

[cinder wyvern]

made some screenshots of all fonts with all glyphs on one page in case it's ever needed (I doubt it, but here's linja suwi because it got asked about, and I'll post despite there being a page where it's better to see)

[distant maple]

not a visual artist but:
-really love that mi, sina, ona, lape "point" much more visibly than linja sike 5
-"gentle", "welcoming" appearance

i think the following look pretty and seem especially distinct from other glyphs in the font:
-supa, tan, ma, kepeken, soweli, jo, mun, ale, unpa, suwi

i think the following might be a bit too alike when they're small, and here's what I think could be done to make it easier to quickly distinguish them:
-jan/ijo/mama/kili/mije - larger features, draw less attention to the big circles
-wan/pini/o/ni - larger features (a looks good :) , draw less attention to big vertical lines
-weka/ante/ala - more space on the inside
-nasa/sike - more dramatic "movement" inwards, towards the center
-poki/open/lipu - higher "bar" for open? and smaller lipu
-esun/kasi - more symmetrical kasi, or flipped-about-vertical-axis kasi
ko/jaki - sharper jaki, squishier ko?

[rough drum]

lol fun fact I was dissociating while making a good half of these, so I don't actually remember making them they're just kind of ... there

yippee

[rough drum]

time to read this now

as for your "the following might look a bit too alike" I think they're supposed to do that

I copied all of the shapes in pu

[tepid leaf]

okay i've looked at pu open again, it definitely has a proportionally higher bar than the one you've got going here

bc your open's sides go up higher

[rough drum]

yeah I already changed that one

[tepid leaf]

pona

[rough drum]

I'm probably going to "compress" them (that's a music production term for "make the quiet stuff louder and the loud stuff quieter a bit"

do you like the rest of the proportions? @dusk imp I need bird approval

[tepid leaf]

i can't look rn, will be able to later

[rough drum]

okay great!

thanks

[distant maple]

hm... well FWIW it's mostly ala/ante/weka that I think could be improved. i feel like if i saw a cross shape as I was reading this font, I would have to pause and look closely to make sure i knew which glyph it was.

[rough drum]

totally fair

yeah ante def needs tweaking

[distant maple]

but also take me with a grain of salt, I know all the sitelen pona glyphs but I still have to focus a little to understand it, unlike English which I can read literally 10 times faster.

[rough drum]

linja lipamanka

<@&811644330770301008> linja sike 6 will now officially be renamed to linja lipamanka

[native trench]

real?

[rough drum]

linja sike 5 will remain linja sike

[simple sequoia]

slay

[rough drum]

this is a NEW FONT

[static cape]

slay

[spare path]

just like perl

[quiet plaza]

linjamanka

[rough drum]

it’s official

[native trench]

slay

[static cape]

it should be named linja lipamanka nano

[quiet plaza]

linjaku

[rough drum]

hmm

i’m feeling kind of impulsive

you could manipulate me into doing that and i would not feel bad at all about being manipulated

[static cape]

perfect reason to rename it to linja lipananka

[rough drum]

can you change the role or linjamankers

[rough drum]

true…

[lucid nymph]

i love linja lipamanka

[marble vessel]

is it too late for suggestions as to adjustments for glyphs

[rough drum]

nope

absolutely not

make suggestions!

[marble vessel]

feel like the smaller circles should be larger

and with musi specifically, more of a curve

[rough drum]

that’s a pretty good suggestion!

[marble vessel]

this also applies to o and mu

but with mu its fine i think

[native trench]

done

[marble vessel]

oh oh oh

i think this should be longer towards the center

[rough drum]

wdym longer

[marble vessel]

like it should touch the center of the spiral

hold on

[rough drum]

oh i did that intentionally

[marble vessel]

gonna ms paint something together

[rough drum]

i made it not touch the center intentionally because it doesn’t in pu

[marble vessel]

i think in this case it's better to not adhere to pu as much

[rough drum]

oh but that looks pretty great

i’ll have to consider it!

so far everything is exactly pu proportions to the best of my ability

[marble vessel]

mmmmmyou can fuck with it a teeny bit

[rough drum]

yeah no that’s what i’m going to do between now and draft two

[marble vessel]

we already have some very pu-rist fonts out there

[rough drum]

not really …

[marble vessel]

sitelen sewi kiwen is p close

[rough drum]

even linja pi pu lukin isn’t all that purist

[marble vessel]

oooh then what if

you made a pu-rist version

and an adjusted version

[rough drum]

yeah i was planning on saving what i have now and turning it into a UCSUR font that only supports UCSUR

and call it “linja lipamanka pu”

[marble vessel]

yes

also uh. what is ucsur

i hear that thrown around a lot

[static cape]

... ucsur

[tepid tusk]

#8839 📣 A standard for encoding common sitelen pona glyphs:
https://www.kreativekorp.com/ucsur/charts/sitelen.html
A guide to have the characters render on devices can be found under ... ucsurtutorial and https://github.com/Id405/sitelen-pona-ucsur-guide/blob/main/README.md
Defined codepoints (2022-05-20)
pu: 󱤀 󱤁 󱤂 󱤃 󱤄 󱤅 󱤆 󱤇 󱤈 󱤉 󱤊 󱤋 󱤌 󱤍 󱤎 󱤏 󱤐 󱤑 󱤒 󱤓 󱤔 󱤕 󱤖 󱤗 󱤘 󱤙 󱤚 󱤛 󱤜 󱤝 󱤞 󱤟 󱤠 󱤡 󱤢 󱤣 󱤤 󱤥 󱤦 󱤧 󱤨 󱤩 󱤪 󱤫 󱤬 󱤭 󱤮 󱤯 󱤰 󱤱 󱤲 󱤳 󱤴 󱤵 󱤶 󱤷 󱤸 󱤹 󱤺 󱤻 󱤼 󱤽 󱤾 󱤿 󱥀 󱥁 󱥂 󱥃 󱥄 󱥅 󱥆 󱥇 󱥈 󱥉 󱥊 󱥋 󱥌 󱥍 󱥎 󱥏 󱥐 󱥑 󱥒 󱥓 󱥔 󱥕 󱥖 󱥗 󱥘 󱥙 󱥚 󱥛 󱥜 󱥝 󱥞 󱥟 󱥠 󱥡 󱥢 󱥣 󱥤 󱥥 󱥦 󱥧 󱥨 󱥩 󱥪 󱥫 󱥬 󱥭 󱥮 󱥯 󱥰 󱥱 󱥲 󱥳 󱥴 󱥵 󱥶 󱥷ku suli: 󱥸 󱥹 󱥺 󱥻 󱥼 󱥽 󱥾 󱥿 󱦀 󱦁 󱦂 󱦃 󱦄 󱦅 󱦆 󱦇 󱦈ku lili: 󱦠 󱦡 󱦢 󱦣special characters: 󱦐 󱦑 󱦒 󱦓 󱦔 󱦕 󱦖 󱦗 󱦘 󱦙 󱦚 󱦛 󱦜 󱦝
web-based converter: https://ilo-pi-sitelen-pona.glitch.me/ and https://ilolili.daviesfam.org/

[marble vessel]

thats a lot of question marks there

[native trench]

lipu seme lipu seme lipu seme lipu seme lipu seme lipu seme

[marble vessel]

facts

[tepid leaf]

why not nasin lipamanka

[rough drum]

too late

though it could be that tbh

[native trench]

i was wondering this too

nasin for font is based

linja sike and nasin sike 🤔

poetic

[agile barn]

2 day request for Asike name glyph

lil guy for soweli picture

[rotund ginkgo]

request 1 for a name glyph for me + pic of dog (I have two dogs, I'll send a pic of the other with the 2nd request uwu)

[agile barn]

i'll also 2 day request one of these (either works) since so many people liked them apparently. i don't wanna make too much work but yeah

[rough drum]

here we are!

the 121 most important glyphs

(the last one is @static cape)

oh and jan Tepo o there will be a bold option <3

[sturdy marlin]

a

[rough drum]

just 4 u

important change made