LIPAMANKA PI FONT ALA

[floral crescent]

yes I agree with u

no don't sleep

pls

I miss u

jan kekan san 😢

[blissful crag]

i have to sleep :(

[floral crescent]

NOOOOOOOOOO D:

okay jokes asside

good night

also

[blissful crag]

i will be awake tomorrow and also do VR things

[floral crescent]

what's the courtroom going to be like

[blissful crag]

night!

[floral crescent]

sdflsdjkf okay

gn

GO OT BED

[blissful crag]

i have two different ideas
i think I'll use them both at different times
but it's gonna be an RP where i introduce a prompt, some potential crime, and we essentially take turns trying to convince the judge whether the crime actually happened
(but you can make up evidence)

(this is one of the two ideas to be clear)

[floral crescent]

amazzing

sleep well

also have u considered just not having a neck that hurts

thought that might be helpful to you

kinda like how I decided today that I don't have severe anxiety

[blissful crag]

I considered that but unfortunately my neck was considering simply leaving my body at that time

[floral crescent]

wait did u get guillotiened for being bourgiousee is that why you are just a floating head

[blissful crag]

lmao

that's the rumor
ill never say

[floral crescent]

not all of them yet

but yes a lot of them for sure

every page has me on it

anyway I added some more sections I forgot about

update

figured out what goes here

[glossy vortex]

I am very sure that the correct order for the license is BY-NC-SA instead of NC-BY-SA.

[floral crescent]

I assumed but I was told by someone on vc that it's NC

HA THEY WERE WRONG

[floral crescent]

working on it

[leaden cradle]

do a stakcing preverbs exampple

[vernal ore]

wow all of these name glyphs are awesome

as well as the entire rest of the book ofc

maybe i should remake my name glyph to be actually visually interesting 😱

anyway uhh i use open and pini as preverbs but i know not everyone does that so it might not be a necessary addition

[rough isle]

Those aren't taught anymore

[jagged osprey]

they are taught in the Lentan course

[floral crescent]

I was planning on that

[floral crescent]

I consider jan Lentan's course to be a bit outdated

[naive lava]

i still don't get what's wrong with open and pini as preverbs :v

i learnt em, and use them, and now all of a sudden im being told that they aren't taught or are outdated or whatever

[visual oracle]

It's mostly that they don't serve a ton of purpose beyond the pu ones

they were never majority use

the use has been declining over time

so we don't teach them first any more

they aren't wrong, just a less common nasin

[naive lava]

huh
interesting

[floral crescent]

they're fine to use

nobody I talk to regularly in toki pona uses them I think

[naive lava]

that just sounds odd
since i don't get why you wouldnt use them

like they arent that useful, you wouldnt hear it every few minutes or whatever

idk, im still gonna use them

[floral crescent]

there's nothing wrong with using them

just know that they're not used enough anymore to warrant teaching

[naive lava]

damn

i gotta teach them, so they become common, so that they'll be taught again

/j

[naive lava]

yea about that /lh

seems to be in common(-ish) usage, despite not being taught anymore

[visual oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral crescent]

i mean i think the answers to that poll are biased

[visual oracle]

historically in polls I think it's been <40% so this one is surprising

[floral crescent]

i think a lot of people who answered yes are people who don’t have the context of that usage

[vernal ore]

should i have written the poll differently or something

[frank star]

I wonder what other words could be made into a preverb
like utala could mean struggle to
or lawa and kute would be lead in and follow in ig?
just thinking

[keen gate]

ooo I like preverb utala

[keen gate]

"I'm struggling to hear you"

[blissful crag]

Fyi polling has shown alasa used more than lukin

Which doesn't make your sheet wrong, but the commentary about alasa implies it is less established
Which is not true lol

[urban fractal]

i don’t think it’s used as often outside of mpptp

[tribal stone]

bottom says soweli ni but there's no ni in the sentence

[floral crescent]

FUCI

[rancid talon]

"soweli li ken alasa mu"
the mouse possibly chases down the elephantine trumpeting.

[naive lava]

alasa e mu?

[frank star]

the cat is meowingly huntingishly possible

[visual oracle]

if you're gonna do that I'd probably just go ahead and use ta.. I think that's how it's supposed to work

at least then people will know it's nasin ante

[frank star]

‘Twas a joke

[tribal stone]

sobs this was just analyzing alasa and mu as modifiers aqegcfsqqaq

[blissful crag]

sina awen loje tan seme

👁️

[tribal stone]

mi loje

[blissful crag]

[tribal stone]

nimi seme o lon nimi mi

[blissful crag]

sina jelo anu seme

kule nimi li jelo
kule linja pi sitelen sina li jelo
nimi sina li loje lon open

ante a

[tribal stone]

nnn... «jelo»... nimi ni li seme... sina pali ala pali e nimi ni.... nasa mute...

[blissful crag]

aaaa sina sona ala e nimi jelo la mi ken pana e sona

tenpo mute la sina ken lukin e suno wawa lon sewi
ona li jelo tawa lukin lon tenpo mute
kin la, sina sona ala sona e kili palisa suwi? ona li jelo, taso tenpo suli la ona li kama pimeja li kama ike moli, a a

[tribal stone]

nnnn suno en kili ni li ken loje li ken walo...

nimi «jelo» li nasa mute...

[visual oracle]

??? I must have replied to something in the scrollback not realizing it was way higher up

or in the wrong channel

[tribal stone]

a a

[visual oracle]

it was something talking about alternate preverbs like using utala as a preverb

[tribal stone]

a yeah that makes. much more sense then

[visual oracle]

yeah higher up

I think forum threads don't show you the "x newer messages" thing??

If I scroll back days in here it doesn't say anything

ike

[floral crescent]

jesus

[maiden light]

ni li lon seme?

[floral crescent]

my website

literally the day I made that resource

[maiden light]

wawa

[naive lava]

hey i think i played a part in that a a a

i remember sitting down during a break at school and just reading a few of your essays

[floral crescent]

you're not the only swede

[floral crescent]

I reorganized a bit so I can order things better now everythings in little folders

[naive lava]

is cute lil guys name glyphs? that or animal words

[leaden cradle]

namwe glyps

[floral crescent]

name glyphs

[visual oracle]

which resource

[visual oracle]

a

[floral crescent]

I'm gonna try to make the text slightly bigger on it for v2 (v2 comes with an entire toki pona course)

[leaden cradle]

which im going to print off and shove at my friends

[short marlin]

woah I know this is old but where is the "lesbian" meaning from

[frank star]

It’s a label

[short marlin]

ohh ok

[raven ibex]

curious how common the "label" usage is

i haven't seen it outside of #poki

i would use kulupu

[tired ocean]

i think i used len for this once

[short marlin]

i could see "nimi" meaning label

esp for someone who's more fond of them

also is lipamanka including "kind" as in "kind of" in the definition of nasin for their course

[floral crescent]

I wasn't planning on it

[short marlin]

makes sense

how do you feel ab that nasin toki

[floral crescent]

I haven't thought too much about it

maybe it works maybe it doesn't, not sure

[short marlin]

i really like it

it feels like it was already there even

[floral crescent]

<@&1061183612709515354> https://lipamanka.gay/resources/nouns is now up ! I will be uploading what I have so far to the website so that my WIP course is still accessible. (ordered correctly for screen reader accessibility)

hm what if this course was a series of small single sided laminated paper sheets (smaller than standard letter size) so that people can use it modularly

like keep the parts of the lessons they need nearby

given, it's a bit hard to laminate like for most people (I am very proficient at laminating though) that so I would

1. sell them for reasonable prices (plus shipping)
2. provide instructions
3. people can print them out and cut them out
4. there will be a version available that fits well on full pages
5. of course it will still be available online for free - but perhaps I can get someone to help me figure out how to drag them around on a website so people can have the site open and do that anyway

thinking about an elevator pitch. "a modular toki pona course: mix and match the references you need! if you struggle with something, keep it close. if it's easy, you don't need it! no more flipping between pages or keeping multiple tabs open on an online course. learn at your own pace and have everything at your fingertips."

[floral crescent]

wooo I have access to adobe suite!

[frank star]

Jealous

I don’t care about adobe but I like dreamweaver

God damn high schools getting us addicted to adobe products smh

And autodesk

Thankfully I already used blender so maya didn’t get to me

And blender is so much better tbh

[rain lotus]

<@&1061183612709515354>
I have created a quick and pretty cool and good I think maybe explanation of what toki pona is. I'll put it on my website after I get feedback* and feel free to link people to it or copy and paste it or use the explanation in your own words

what is toki pona?

In English, there are two main methods to reduce ambiguity. The first is using context by either describing something or other means; for example I could say "there is a small animal with multicolored fur that lives in my house." The second is making use of English's large vocabulary. English has a lot of words. Using this method, you might say "calico" to refer to the same thing. Notice how both of these methods work.

toki pona asks: what if we only use the first method? to accomplish this, it removes the large vocabulary and makes each word big, in the sense that it can mean a lot of things. It only has 120 words and its grammar is optimized to allow it to function well using the first method, which is context.

*pls give me feedback on how I can make this better I think it's a good start but I am biased because I have no idea what language here is accessible or inaccessible to learners

[ivory thorn]

as an added funny, “small animal with multicolored fur” could mean just about any pet

I think it’s an explanation epiku

[rain lotus]

any pet?

I feel like if I'm drawing attention to the multicolored fur that's probably an important aspect of it

and a calico is the most multicolored pet

[tacit totem]

there’s nuance missed in the number of words, but for an explanation meant for beginners it’s probably fine

[tacit totem]

waso

[ivory thorn]

i know, im just saying that its ambiguous in the same way that toki pona is and i like that

[rain lotus]

wdym?

lipamanka Jasun ↩️

[Reply to:](#1032830156676538378 message) there’s nuance missed in the number of words, but for an explanation meant for beginners it’s probab…

nimisin? I can't remember the last time I have spoken with a proficient speaker who I'm like friends with recreationally and they have used like any nimisin

maybe a few

120 is the most accurate number of words in toki pona

[ivory thorn]

i think it’s still nice to mention but ig it’s not really needed

[rain lotus]

I hate it when people correct people and say "noooooo but what about the nimmy simmies"

[tacit totem]

i’m thinking about nimi ku suli

[rain lotus]

beginners will do fine without them

I use very few ku suli

[tacit totem]

this is why i said it’s probably fine for beginners

[ivory thorn]

lol

[tacit totem]

thank you, that makes sense

[rain lotus]

I would totally teach a beginner english speaker yeet if it came up

Viridian ∴ Mimuki [no tone tags or else] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1032830156676538378 message) nagomi: some people use nimi sin and some people use english nimi sin like “yeet” and “rizz” (i only…

[tacit totem]

also i didn’t know rizz had two z’s

[rain lotus]

"if youw anna sound like a native speaker you can use "yeet" instead of "throw""

when I'm language learning this is the kind of nuance I'm looking for

like in portuguese I appreciate bieng taught how it's used by native speakers more than how it's taught in schools

[ivory thorn]

i would also tell them that “yeet” will not land well in a professional setting

[rain lotus]

I've used yeet in professional settings skldfjsdkljf

soweli Luna ↩️

[Reply to:](#1032830156676538378 message) i would also tell them that “yeet” will not land well in a professional setting

it's gone like Fine

[ivory thorn]

bad

they’re called nimi sin(as in toki Inli) for a reason

[rain lotus]

maybe that's because I'm white and masculine presenting

something to think about

[ivory thorn]

solutions to life’s problems

a a

[tacit totem]

me when i start futuring instead

[rain lotus]

if a jan sin finds out about nimisin it's not a bad thing but I won't tell them about them

[floral crescent]

\most nimisin are irrelevant to my pedagogy unless a learner brings them up to me, in which case nuance

[rain lotus]

(not proxying so I can use those EMOJIS because they're not on a server with pluralkit)

[tacit totem]

i know tons of people who want to say “shrimple” but i don’t think that’s what you’re talking about in this case

[rain lotus]

@urban fractal can you add this to ma pona /entitled /abuse of community stature

jan Nakomi ∴ Mimuki [no tone tags or else] ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1032830156676538378 message)

[urban fractal]

so true

[rain lotus]

(to be clear this is a JOKE)

I don't feel like it tho and jan Seli can add it to ma pona >:3

jan Nakomi ∴ Mimuki [no tone tags or else] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1032830156676538378 message) its a gif, so only nitro users can use it anyway
you could always add it to [redacted server]

[urban fractal]

i mean we dont have many animated emojis so we totally could add it

im mostly not just bc im on my phone

[rain lotus]

this

NO

[urban fractal]

-remind 17h meow

[scarlet briar]

Set a reminder in 17 hours from now (<t:1677880637:f>)
View reminders with the Reminders command

[rain lotus]

jan seli join gay irl and then use the steal command

and then leave gay irl

[urban fractal]

steal command is cringe

[rain lotus]

it isn't actually

[urban fractal]

i want my name to be in the emoji log

ok actually its because i dont trust it

its going to fuck it up somehow

[rain lotus]

no it's not

[ivory thorn]

@rocky urchin may i ask why you dont like tone tags?

[urban fractal]

yes it’s is

:clueful:

[rain lotus]

just link the website article

I see

[ivory thorn]

pona tawa sina

but question nanpa tu, whats the “or else” lol

am i gonna die

[rain lotus]

no

here u are safe :)

[ivory thorn]

/

(no im not going to)

[hushed gorge]

Counterexample just to be annoying:

[rain lotus]

woah multicolored fur fr

look at that fur

[echo lion]

spraypainted dog

[ivory thorn]

noooo lmao

[rain lotus]

mfw edge case counterexamples don’t actually matter

[scarlet briar]

Reminder for @urban fractal

Reminder from YAGPDB

meow

[young moat]

You're roomies with a sparkledog!?

Gealous

[rain lotus]

sdklj

[short marlin]

hey what are the four non pu words in the learning course

and how would lipamanka feel about me calling those the "nimi lipamanka"

[rain lotus]

hmmmmm

I am lipamanka

and hmmmm

[short marlin]

ok well lmk what you think because I am very eager to refer to a collection of words other than the nimi pu or nimi ku suli

i want to emphasize tp belonging to its community and not Only Sonja Lang

[rain lotus]

yeah i'm a fan of that

not necessarily the most important nimisin to me but i think the most important ones used by community members and also i’m pretty sure they’re all nimi majuna skfjallflgejhahf

[undone crescent]

nimi laso and nimi loje are a thing

[blissful crag]

this implies they are relevant as a direct result of lipamanka which is not the case
this is one of the reasons we rejected the nimi Linku label before over in Linku gang, a a
If you'd really like a label, why even bother with a proper name when "nimi suli" captures any group of important words you'd like to refer to, and preserves the contextual nature of toki pona itself?

nimi suli pi toki pona la jan mute li kepeken nimi ni. ona mute li nimi pu. ona pi mute lili li tan jan ante a

[short marlin]

because frankly the only labels commonly understood as a codified group of word are the nimi pu (which is weird considering the pu symonyms) and the nimi ku suli (which makes more sense, but is still based off of a Sonja book). i think having a codified group of words that isn't defined in relation to Sonja Lang would be very good for the community as a whole

[short marlin]

what are these

[undone crescent]

... nimilaso

[worldly dirge]

Note nimilaso was not found.

[undone crescent]

... nimiloje

[worldly dirge]

#7115 📣 nimi loje en nimi laso
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316066233755631616/968277347314839582/IMG_5003.png

[blissful crag]

in that case the Linku label is still preferable, as a descriptive source for what words are in use in the community and to what degrees
(and the nimi in the chart above, though lacking the 2022 results, are from Linku)

[short marlin]

this is interesting. note that they are still defined in relation to pu even in this image

[blissful crag]

i just disagree with the use of the label and do not think we need a static term
just discourage the use of the static word list terminologies like nimi pu and nimi ku suli, if that is important to you :P

[blissful crag]

how??

[short marlin]

i frankly disagree, a shit ton of words are in lipu Linku and I don't know what words you're even referring to here frankly

[blissful crag]

nimi Linku suli

sina anpa + sina weka e linja tan lawa + o luka e kasi

[short marlin]

the words listed here are all nimi sin (plus pu synonyms), a category by definition defined in relation to pu

[short marlin]

mi kama ala sona tan toki pona sina

[blissful crag]

you fell off + mald + touch grass

[short marlin]

nimi Linku suli makes sense though

[blissful crag]

then fetch the original source, a a
the data you want is all in jasima Linku

[short marlin]

i would have called this "linja li weka tan lawa sina" lmfao "sina weka e linja tan lawa" sounds like "you shave hair off your head"

[short marlin]

how do I even find that

[blissful crag]

when i imagine malding it feels like you are removing your own hair through rage

[blissful crag]

https://linku.la/jasima/data.json
under each word is a "recognition" field

data -> word (its name) -> recognition -> YYYY-MM where the years are 2021-2022 and the months are always 08

[short marlin]

oh weird I just don't imagine malding

[blissful crag]

lmao
valid

[short marlin]

yeah I can't use this

[blissful crag]

it's meant to be accessed with a script generally

i.e. o programmer

but the usage data is still available on lipu Linku for the latest usage

[short marlin]

mi ni lon tenpo lon a

taso mi awen ken ala lukin tan ni: mi lon ilo luka

[naive lava]

i mega disagree with that

i dont think it's good to make a toki pona "canon" or a list of words that is "more" toki pona than other words

some words are obviously more commonly used and understood, but any cut-off of what's in this new group and what isn't is super arbitrary

and i feel like it goes against both toki pona as a living language and toki pona as a personal language

[short marlin]

i mean i agree but like pretty much everybody knows the nimi pu at this point and everybody knows the nimi ku suli

and they are important lists to the language atm

so I think highlighting the importance of other word lists* might be an interesting way to push back against the weird obsession with pu we have

[naive lava]

or
we can deemphasise the arbitrary lists that already exist and encourage people to use whatever words they want

it feels like that xkcd comic about standards, you know the one

feels weird to solve the obsession with arbitrary word lists, by making a new arbitrary word list

[brave rune]

ngl u should add sitelen jelo to the learning resource..

[undone crescent]

you can also go to nimi Linku, the spreadsheet that jasima Linku is based on, to see it all in columns, I think

[raven ibex]

i recommend using the Linku data for this, because it's based on community surveys

i use Linku frequency data to sort the words on my font's page
https://kelseyhigham.github.io/leko-majuna/

just unlabeled

[rain lotus]

the ones on my form are the words in linku that are above 90% usage i think?

[raven ibex]

the only words 90% or higher are pu, minus meli and mije

[rain lotus]

then maybe it was 80%

i forget

it was a coincidence whatever the number is tho

[raven ibex]

85%

ku is at 80%, meli is at 89%

no word is in between

[rain lotus]

okay so not 90% but 89%?

[raven ibex]

yeah

oh wait monsuta is 85%

[undone crescent]

monsuta, tonsi and kin are in-between

[raven ibex]

okay yeah so 85%

[undone crescent]

namako 75
ku 80
monsuta 85
tonsi 86
kin 89
meli 89
mije 89
ale 92
pu 94

[short marlin]

i figured lipamanka hand picked them

[rain lotus]

i did!

jan Asiku ↩️

[Reply to:](#1032830156676538378 message) i figured lipamanka hand picked them

this is a coincidence

[short marlin]

nice

which were the four non pu again

[rain lotus]

namako kin monsuta tonsi

[short marlin]

yeah

really good choice

[rain lotus]

ye

[short marlin]

very minimal without being too much so

[raven ibex]

surprising that ku is more used than namako, in the survey

although i think that's how i answered

[short marlin]

tbh I'm thinking about no longer saying ku or pu in my tp

you just don't need them?

i also like the nasin where "pu" means to consult any learning resource though

[frank star]

i mean yeah?

[raven ibex]

i don't need them but i think they're funny

same with Pingo

[short marlin]

yeah

lipu mama and lipu nimi baybee

[raven ibex]

any reason you're buying a guide on child-rearing and a baby names book 👀

(this is a joke and not an argument in favor of two very silly words)

[rain lotus]

eh

jan Asiku ↩️

[Reply to:](#1032830156676538378 message) i also like the nasin where "pu" means to consult any learning resource though

eh

lipumanka to interact with lipamanka’s modular course

there we go

[raven ibex]

mi lipamanka

[rain lotus]

no ur waso Keli

[raven ibex]

can it be interacting with the font as well

[rain lotus]

no becuase it starts with lipu not linja

linjamanka can mean interacting with the font

[raven ibex]

oh i misread

mi lipumanka

[rain lotus]

isso!!!

[raven ibex]

mi linjamanka

[rain lotus]

pona

[short marlin]

lipu Lipamanka = document written in nasin sitelen Lipamanka

[rain lotus]

o linjamanka e jan ante

[short marlin]

technically you can drop headnouns

[rain lotus]

can you? wdym

[short marlin]

yeah you can drop headnouns

"ona li Asiku. Asiku li toki tawa mi." is perfectly valid

[rain lotus]

wdym

like in what context

in common use?

in YOUR usage?

[raven ibex]

nimi Asiku li toki tawa mi kepeken nasin seme

ona li toki ala toki e nimi Asiku taso

[rain lotus]

i just don’t have a head noun

[short marlin]

like grammatically you are allowed to do this. I have heard this from other speakers so clearly it is accepted by at least some portion of people to just drop any headnound for any named thing and refer to it by name aloke

[raven ibex]

aloke

[rain lotus]

it’s definitely a nasin nasa

some data from a while ago

this is kinda relevant because you’re dropping a head noun it’s just in a pi phrase

[short marlin]

see but that's a very particular case

[rain lotus]

not saying you can’t do this but descriptively it’s most common

[short marlin]

different from the examples I gave

[raven ibex]

this is why i don't like "x = ijo x"

[rain lotus]

that only works for adjectives

[short marlin]

"li Asiku" "[sentence initial] Asiku" both clarify that you're not naming something else Asiku

[rain lotus]

sewi = ijo sewi

[short marlin]

couldn't names be analysed as Adjectives

[rain lotus]

they could, which is why i don’t hate this nasin

like if you did it i wouldn’t correct you because i know you don’t want that and you’re doing it intentionally

however it’s not done a whole lot

outside of like verbal discourse where half of the grammar of any language will get messed up somewhat

[blissful crag]

I do this very infrequently, but only if I've previously established the intended meaning of the proper noun in the conversation
mi lon ma Mewika
jan Mewika poka li (idk what to make up)
"a, jan Mewika li jan seme?"
a mi toki lon jan pi ma Mewika kepeken nasin nasa :P
"a sona"

[rain lotus]

yeah

[blissful crag]

i like the nasin where proper nouns Have A Meaning but it is ephemeral, lasting only the duration of a conversation
it's very practical and often understandable, easily explained if not understood
but i don't get a lot of opportunities to use it either lol

[rain lotus]

it’s just not that common rn

[blissful crag]

ye

[short marlin]

it doesn't really need to be either

[rain lotus]

so saying “you’re allowed to do this” is not useful because you can do whatever you want, descriptivism is key

[short marlin]

but yeah I've used it before

[blissful crag]

this is a statement in perfect toki pona

[short marlin]

lmao

we stan a descriptivist king

[rain lotus]

who’s the descriptivist king

me?

[short marlin]

mun Kekan San

[rain lotus]

jan Kekan San?

damn

[raven ibex]

mi Think e ni: mi ken Import e Loanwords sama ni: mi Drop e Headnouns, mi Tokiponize ala
ni li English ala, li Toki Pona taso

[rain lotus]

he doesn’t even do descriptive research smh

[short marlin]

"this [referring to the statement itself] is perfect toki pona"

what do you mean he just did

[hasty steeple]

when people say all nasins are valid:

[rain lotus]

research?

[short marlin]

research

[rain lotus]

[raven ibex]

saying a thing isn't descriptivism

[short marlin]

it's research

jan sona usawi

[blissful crag]

i was considering adding to this conversation but it is funnier to not based on my descriptive observation of the circumstances

[raven ibex]

researching your usage of a thing you just made up isn't research

i'm getting nerd sniped, mi tawa

[rain lotus]

anecdotal observation is NOT research >:(

[blissful crag]

ahahah

I'm too busy with my job research (DOUBLE ENTENDRE) to do toki pona research, a a

[rain lotus]

and i’m already doing toki pona research /lape

so nobody else has to

[blissful crag]

that said, i do have to wonder, how much does simply documenting the things that are done alter the things that are done
you can definitely change The Nasin by measuring it

[rain lotus]

quantum linguistics

[raven ibex]

that does happen in tiny communities like this

[blissful crag]

this is a non-productive line of thought but it seems clear that some nasin became more widely used as a result of having been documented, rather than spreading through their usage alone

[rain lotus]

i mean my goal is to use descriptivism to help solidify the philosophy and usage

[blissful crag]

this is part of why I like the teken experiment
nobody has described to me what it means in English, only toki pona
this is the Superior way to define new words, even if i won't ever use the word as I understand it

[raven ibex]

i forget what that word means every time i see it

[rain lotus]

it was described to me in english

[blissful crag]

I'm sorry for your loss

[rain lotus]

and i dislike it because it’s not intended to be an experiment

it’s just tajenpo but serious

[blissful crag]

ona li sama sitelen lon tenpo mute la o pana e nimi sitelen :P

[blissful crag]

okay, now we're just making up words!
[laugh track]

[rain lotus]

wow image giving urself a laugh track

[raven ibex]

rude
if i told you that i don't know the nimisins for left and right, would you try to teach me those too :P

[rain lotus]

that’s some serious ike attention seeking behavior right there

to be blunt, we’re dissapointed

[hushed gorge]

[laugh track] i am the live studio audience

[hasty steeple]

it was described to me in toki pona by referencing german (or whatever the language was) as opposed to actually telling me what it was and why it should be used

[blissful crag]

I would totally unironically use a bruh button and a laugh track button if they were more practical than a soundboard on my phone or a big physical button I have to buy off Amazon

[blissful crag]

mi ken pana e sona ni tawa sina: nimi ni li lon, li toki e sona ni: ...
taso, mi kepeken ala ona tan ni: mi ken toki e ni ante tawa sona ona: ...

[short marlin]

tajenpo li seme

[short marlin]

no time right now remind me to explain later

[raven ibex]

i don't want to learn it but thank you

[halcyon siren]

nimi teken li seme?

[tacit totem]

ona li musi utala pi sitelen tawa anu seme? jan pona mi wan li toki e ona

[gloomy shale]

sitelen

[halcyon siren]

[raven ibex]

laa laa i can't hear you 🙉

[tacit totem]

in the context of the toki pona contextual particle, i can't hear you

[floral crescent]

essay I feel I should like definitely write: the problematic ideal of a toki pona "native speaker"

I will talk about how the concept of native speakers in descriptivism is a very western and harmful concept that is contributing to the decline of indigenous languages

[naive lava]

that sounds super interesting i'd love to read that

so basically: using native speakers as a be all end all of language descriptivism and documentation is harmful as many speakers of indigenous languages do not have the opportunity to speak their groups "historic" language and instead has to speak the colonial language as their first language?

[floral crescent]

yeah

like if an indigenous language doesn't have native speakers besides elders will be labeled as a "Moribund" and "mori" means "dead" so

when the elders die, the language is labeled as dead even if it's still being used by members of the community

[jagged osprey]

The 13 levels of language vitality (from the highest to the lowest vitality) are international (0), national (1), regional (2), trade (3), educational (4), written (5), vigorous (6a), threatened (6b), shifting (7), moribund (8a), nearly extinct (8b), dormant (9), and extinct (10).

https://www.ethnosproject.org/expanded-graded-intergenerational-disruption-scale/

[raven ibex]

it sounds like by this scale, toki pona is technically extinct
because "no one retains a sense of ethnic identity associated with the language"

[floral crescent]

i think a lot of speakers actually do retain what could be described as an ethnic identity

language is a huge part of ethnicity

so theoretically toki pona speakers who identify strongly with toki pona could be considered an ethnic group in some way

[naive lava]

Government censuses hate them
find out how you can troll the government with this one simple trick

[floral crescent]

language and culture are inseparable

funny ethnic hats are a huge part of ethnicity

so real

ur so ethnic

/sensitive

SKLDFLKSFDJ

amazing

I am being culturally sensitive

(meta: I am making fun of people who are culturally insensitive and then label themselves as culturally sensitive)

anyway I am ethnically toki ponish and secondarily jewish

hmmmMMmmnnn

now that I ethnically speak a canadian language I can benefit from being indigenous without getting oppressed, yes?

is that how this works

[naive lava]

i think they asked for religion/spirituality on the last tp census?
so if you wanted data you could probably find it

but then again, this is data from tokiponists all over the world, so it would be really hard to designate a general population to compare them to

so that might not be very useful

[raven ibex]

oh ok yes that's me

[floral crescent]

it’s way more nuanced than i’ve talked about here

[short marlin]

but is there any non tp thing a large portion of the community can agree on being important to them?

obviously within this server human rights things like trans rights and anti racism and stuff are important, but the language community is larger than that. is there anything a large portion of the language community can agree on???

[maiden light]

(I don't consider anti-racism an extremely tokiponic thing, and it generally has racism problems, though not too important for your point)

[short marlin]

yeah that's fair actually

i wouldn't say it's an extremely ma ponan thing, but it is there to some degree

[floral crescent]

there exist completely different ethnic groups with the same ethnic language (for example, spaniards vs indigenous Uruguayans)

and i think that most toki pona speakers i would spend time with value queer rights for example

i would say that being a toki ponist is as important to my identity as being queer but idk if it’s as important as being ethnically jewish. i am not sure.

[short marlin]

i agree with this, but this is also true for most English speakers. i still don't necessarily consider that an "English speaker" thing if that makes sense

[floral crescent]

jfkakfjsjhdf most english speakers are not a fan of trans rights to the same degree i am

i feel like queerness is a big part of this community

[short marlin]

yeah i kind of agree, but I'm also not super exposed to the non discord side of the community

with that said, based on how much I see us around everytime i poke my head outside of here, it seems like that may still be true elsewhere

[floral crescent]

new essay to write: why your toki pona translations might fail (and how to fix them)

[raven ibex]

yes yes yes

a

lon lon lon

[short marlin]

yeah I see so many failed translations

[floral crescent]

and i will tell u WHY

[frank star]

a thoughts:
especially with bigger projects, get help with translating!
it not only helps you get it done faster, but you now have people that can proofread.
and it seems counter-intuitive, but it helps with consistency, because your nasin may change as you work on your project and you'll probably gloss over certain things that don't really work for you anymore. But with multiple people, different nasins would get pointed out, and you can discuss how to approach it.
I'm all for experimenting with nasins, but having a more "general" translation can be more readable for a wider audience, and having more people will help with that.

you don't always need other people helping, just to be clear

[undone crescent]

This might not talk about the exact same thing, but there's overlap:
I agree it's faster if multiple people are helping with a translation, but from experience, I can say that it doesn't help for consistency across speakers and editing that kind of thing is extra time you might not expect at first - additionally, trying to connect different speakers' styles into something coherent tends to result in a surplus of lexicalisations.

What I think I'm trying to say is that it's important to have a project well organised - and I don't think I've seen any project that's actually well organised that works across a flat structure. It's different if there's one main translator who reviews all other translations and integrates them into their work according to their single style.

My number one advice, no question: Get a proofreader. You might be the best tokiponist out there, it doesn't matter, once your word count exceeds something you can take a quick glance at, you'll miss stuff

[floral crescent]

I'm mostly going to talk about design

I'll be talking about how some formats of art just don't work that well for toki pona, and that's an inherent part of the language. in order to do certain things in toki pona your approaches are more limited

[halcyon siren]

songs and graphic novels are an obvious example imo

pakala, sona pi tptpt li weka

[floral crescent]

graphic novels generally work really well because there are pictures to call upon context for

songs work because the meaning of the words can be super vague and it can still be good art so there's no need to disambiguate

[short marlin]

???

do yall mean like translation wise or like created from scratch wise

i feel you can make both from scratch with toki pona. but translating a song will always be difficult in any language

[halcyon siren]

mhm

but toki pona la i think it's Particularly hard

[short marlin]

i don't know I have an easier time with certain aspects of it

dialogue is easier in tp

hence why basically all the dialogue in my fanfic is in tp rn

[floral crescent]

alasa essay will be about foraging and how some communities still forage to this day and how it’s cool and alasa can be used to help you notice more foraging you do. it calls upon a metaphor that equates that which you seek to like, plants and berries and shit. which is cool.

olin essay will compare the concept of love in a few world cultures and talk about how the word olin in can be used to make our perspectives of what love can be wider (partially by limiting what it can be from english’s perspective, but opening up new spaces of meaning where it can be used im fun cool ways that make sense)

moli essay will talk about the tok pisin concepts of “bagarap” vs “bagarap pinis” and how we can use the word moli to evoke urgency in some contexts, and how we can use it to the greatest effect, and also how we can hide things by using other words instead

[hushed gorge]

Oh snap I'm looking forward to all of this

[floral crescent]

noka essay will be about objects’ connections to the ground, how it can be a metaphor to demolish our concept of animacy, and a third thing maybe (god english really wants me to list three things doesn’t it)

ah that leads me to the nanpa essay, which will talk about how cultures use numbers. it’ll talk about how european cultures tend to like the number three, but cross culturally that’s not always the case and sometimes there are other culture numbers. it will also explain how toki pona’s limited grammar, specifically how it makes it difficult to list things the same way you can in english, means that toki pona doesn’t have a cultural number, and therefore speakers can intentionally use that to free themselves of the number three

kule essay will be an academic study i conduct on the usage of color words by community members everywhere

or perhaps just an academic survey

i will be analyzing usage and i will make a fun paper people can read

supa essay will talk about how important flat surfaces in our life are. it’ll talk about how supa is meant to have things put on top of it. how many flat surfaces do you interact with every day? probably many. you sleep on one. you work on one. you eat on one. you learn on one. sometimes you walk by them without noticing them. taking a moment to realize how prevalent supa is in our lives in a cool thing and will help you group these things together

<@&1061183612709515354> some new essay ideas for you to critique and share thoughts on

i couldn’t sleep

so i wrote them out

there are SEVEN of them

[stark epoch]

supa essay™️

honestly sounds like the funniest one to read

[floral crescent]

i hope you enjoy it lol when i finish

[simple magnet]

sorry all i can think about is how similar the supa essay explanation is to “you are now manually breathing”
it’s like “you are now aware of every flat surface around you”
why do i find that funny

the other ones are also cool

[floral crescent]

yeah same with most people’s! you are always in/on a supa which isn’t true for everyone but supa is super prevalent

[floral crescent]

see the “you are now manually breathing” thing does not work for me i’m still breathing subconsciously i’m just aware of it

i’m so cool

[simple magnet]

where can i learn this power

[floral crescent]

idk lmao

i’m just cool

[hushed gorge]

wow me too #twinsies ||it always makes me lose the game though||

[short marlin]

what's the problem with animacy

[floral crescent]

nothings inherently wrong

[short marlin]

really like the kule essay idea

[floral crescent]

it’s just fun to use toki pona to expand your mind outside of the concepts that exist within your culture

[short marlin]

supa is a neat concept too but seems less directly toki pona - y

[floral crescent]

and i want to guide people on how to use toki pona as a tool to alter thought

language doesn’t change thought on it’s own but if used intentionally it can do that

[short marlin]

this would be a good essay

make that the focus of the essay and I like it

[floral crescent]

it’s not one essay it’s the premise of a lot of them

like quite a few

[short marlin]

oh interesting

[floral crescent]

like most of the ones i just sent here

[short marlin]

can you send a list of a couple of the most directly related ones so I can read them later?

[floral crescent]

none are done yet lol

[short marlin]

oh most of the ideas you just listed? OK neat

but yeah kule essay is #1 to me

[floral crescent]

kule is provalvy the only exception

like the only one that isn’t that

out of the ones i listed

[short marlin]

yeah i get that

i think its really good though and i wpuld be very excited to read it

[floral crescent]

you will participate in the study

[short marlin]

is this a threat (im joking)

[floral crescent]

no it’s just true

oooh len essay is gonna talk about how language can be used to hide things and how toki pona’s limited grammar makes this more difficult to do, but also how it’s still possible and will give examples of how it’s done

unpa essay will talk about how the glyph doesn’t just represent a penis, and it will talk about sex and genitals as a social construct and it will also talk about intersex

(i will collaborate with an intersex person if i write that one, and they will get to decide what gets published and what doesn’t)

[naive lava]

sex (act) or sex (biology) or both?

cause i rarely see unpa used for sex (biology)

[floral crescent]

biology

[naive lava]

ah neat

[floral crescent]

this isn’t super related though

i’m taking a little while to talk about how toki pona can be used actively to break the idea of biological sex

it can also be used for not that but it can be used for that which is cool

[naive lava]

ye

[floral crescent]

and unpa’s glyph is relevant to that idea

[naive lava]

some people use (sijelo) meli/mije for that, but that's super cisnormative and has its own lot of issues

it's pretty nice not being able to easily talk about sex in tp

[hushed gorge]

Super hyped for these essays!!

[floral crescent]

it also ignores how like. biological sex is on a spectrum

[naive lava]

especially since so many people are queer

[naive lava]

yea lol
it's hard to talk about with scientific words in english, let alone toki pona

it's a mess

[floral crescent]

if you are curious to learn more look up intersex genital organs (there will be pictures of genital organs)

the pictures will show you how biological sex is literally a spectrum

[floral crescent]

nice !

ooooooooo

i veiled

recently

for@a bit

now that picture of me is hanging out on the wall of declarer portuguese minors

ye like college minor

it’s the same word in portuguese

declarar um minor

declare a minor

HAHAHA

i am an adult i feel like you knew that

lol that’s accurate

omg

[ashen loom]

I'm too scared to say I will since I have this strange, random feeling of fear that I might not be able to commit for some reason, but logically, I most likely can, and I want to so yeah I most likely will participate (random emoji because I felt like it)

[floral crescent]

you just fill out one form that’s it

[floral crescent]

o essay will talk about how we perceive commands in english as questions idiomatically and how we can use toki pona to be more aware of that

[visual oracle]

ties into concepts of bluntness/indirectness vs polite speech across language and culture

eg contrast german / american / british / japanese levels of politeness-perception vs directness

(as an idea)

[floral crescent]

yeah

i mean i feel like the more helpful thing here is how toki pona makes us aware about how English conceptualizes things and gives us the language to actively conceptualize them differently

toki pona doesn’t have any polite register so it’s worth mentioning but it’s not crucial to talk about

[visual oracle]

yeah

[keen gate]

lol yeah

That's literally a direct calque of "biological (fe)male", a transphobic dogwhistle

That doesn't belong in Toki Pona

[naive lava]

Even not as a calque, it's still problematic and inaccurate

[halcyon siren]

yea i mean like

it’s just not an accurate description?

sijelo meli is the sijelo of someone who would call themself a meli

[naive lava]

Yea

Idk, sex is a fuck, objectivity isnt real, the cow isn't spherical in a vacuum

[ivory thorn]

is there a general word for gender?

[jagged osprey]

in toki pona?

[naive lava]

kon, nasin, kule are sometimes used

[jagged osprey]

i have seen a few. i like kule kon

[naive lava]

but nothing set in stone, it really depends

[halcyon siren]

i tend to use kule if i have to refer to it at all

but like

gender has so many implications, if i wanted to actually properly talk about it in toki pona i’d have to write a whole essay of explanations on what i personally think gender is

spose i could go with “kule pi tonsi anu meli anu mije anu mute ni anu ala ni anu ante”, if i wanted to be properly explanatory, but that’s silly.

[young moat]

To be fair, have you ever seen a cow in a vacuum before

Personally i can't say livestock often get into my home cleaning appliances

…this is a terrible pun, i hope it doesn't cause any friction

[ivory thorn]

why is a cow in a vacuum

[naive lava]

Don't worry about it

[ivory thorn]

You cant just tell me to not worry about it

[raven ibex]

o simply worry ala lon it

[young moat]

Don't worry acowt it

Don't worry an udder

[visual oracle]

everything causes friction, stop being such a physicist

"aSsUmInG a FrIcTiOnLeSs MaTeRiAl..."

[floral crescent]

<@&1061183612709515354> ping me in this channel with a description of how you chose your toki pona name. it could be anything from “oh i just tokiponized john to Sa” or a long description of the adventure you went on to find your name.

(by posting it here you’re consenting to me using your quote in an essay, and because it’s about your name there’s no good way to make it anonymous.)

i’m also gonna ping the people who’s names are on the thing on my website as well so they can do this

@gloomy shale @undone crescent @visual oracle @ivory falcon @proven brook @blissful crag

ADD HEADNOUNS AND ANY LINKS YOU WANT TO BE CREDITED WITH! this will also ideally serve as a list of toki ponists and their website things as well which would be pretty cool

[crimson kite]

Alison is literally just Alison

[gloomy shale]

mi toki pona e kalama pi nimi "tbodt"

[tired ocean]

wren - > len -> oh thats gross actually ill make one up -> wisuka -> oh wait -> wen

jan -> my name is wren, a wren is a type of bird -> waso

[trim dock]

leo -> Lijo

i switch between ilo Lijo and pipi Lijo cuz... i <3 bugs, i'm the resident cockroach enthusiast, and pipi Lijo just sounds cute. but some days ilo is a little closer to how i personally perceive myself 👍 so really either work

[vernal ore]

Bowman to Poman (how exciting)
used to be Potaje from Bo Tie but i didnt like that much so it didn't stay long
no headnouns really stuck out to me as something i wanted to use. so just jan
bonus: i use jan [pona ona monsi awen nena] in sitelen pona because it can make a fun face when you stack them all on top of each other! (its in linja lipamanka)
https://bo-tie.neocities.org/

[floral crescent]

lipman -> lipaman -> wanted kijetesantakalu in my cartouche -> lipamanka, eventually decided to not use a head noun

[tacit totem]

i tokiponized my real name badly, because i was new, and just kept using it because it was too much work to change it (i don’t rlly want to share my real name tho) then i started using lipamanka head noun because they told me to and it was funny (before that i just used jan because im basic i guess)

[rain lotus]

am bird

[blissful crag]

... kekansan

[worldly dirge]

#12092 📣 Gregory Danielson III (the Third) -> gregdan3 (from when I was in university)
gregdan -> Kekan
3 -> 三 -> さん -> San (which is a dead nimi sin for three, but it's in ku)
https://linku.la/?q=san

San -> 3 -> mute is at least 3 so mute -> i use mute as a san homoglyph
:xjan: [:xken:·:xkalama:·:xnasa:] [:xmute::] -> jan Kekan San
/sp text:jan [ken· kalama· nasa] [mute:]

[floral crescent]

i will put “waso: “am bird””

[rain lotus]

waso: waso: "am bird"

[real nymph]

sometimes i go by kili Kosi, othertimes by pami Kosi, pami Pami or sewi Pami

kili Kosi used to be jan Kosi (from Goji) but I'm named after the fruit and i do sometimes refer to myself as Gojiberry (and i like the extra-human part of this) so Gojiberry -> Goji Berry -> kili Kosi

pami is from Pammy which is from Pam, the name of my sona, which i also go by alternatively. i use it as a nimisin just for myself sometimes cos i kinda like the "indescribable higher entity" aspect of it :3 also called myself Pam-Goji so that also fits: Pam-Goji -> pami Kosi; and Pam being essentially a deity/made of herself -> sewi Pami and pami Pami

https://gojiberry.neocities.org/
Gonna add my other links there eventually

[strong bramble]

hayaam tokiponised -> jan Ajan but i didnt like it because it sounds like the name ayaan, aja just sounds really pretty and only recently i found out it means life in toki ma (which is pretty irrelevant i guess).
So I just changed ajan -> jan aja, i change the headnoun alot for fun (best example SINI /hai) 😎

[karmic grove]

(Дмитрий) Dmitry - jan Timili because i wanted to preserve all of the consonants (except the t apparently. don't remember it too well a a) - realised wuwojiti, changed ti to te, now it's jan Temili

headnoun la i go by jan most often but pan is fun because of lanpan pan which i made

https://temili.neocities.org
Temili#7390 discord
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBUDCeHAO1hE258y3Z1JreQ youtube

[naive lava]

chose Thelxinoe as an online username -> tokiponized it to Tekinoji -> realised wuwojiti and changed it to Tekinowi
I chose to tokiponise th as t instead of s cause that's what feels more natural to me, probably cause of my native language.
I could've gone with Telukusinowi if I wanted to keep all the consonants but Tekinowi is already long as heck and I don't want it even longer
Sometimes i call myself Teki as a short version of my name, which also is a tokiponization of an English nickname I use, Thelxie

I go by jan headnoun cause that's what I learned originally, and I didn't get exposed to non-jan headnouns until I started getting active in discord communities. I feel like jan is still the most fitting for me, since my defining characteristic is that I am a person, and I don't really identify more with any other word. I'm also a bit to normal and boring to wanna explore non-jan identities, but that's alright cause I'm comfy where I am :)
i have nothing to credit really

[tribal stone]

(ren so)lari -> wenso and then loje because i mckvusehxjqoqeiwux

[nimble sentinel]

yeah so i have multiple, the main two being ansu and pia

Ansu was created through tpizing my name “eat_ants” taking ants as Ansu. This goes against pu rules but also idc.
Pia was creating through tpizing the name “bea” where the a is another syllable. I just like this and thought it was cute. I’ve always liked this name
My first ever tp name was Mila, which came from my acnh character of the exact same name. No tpization involved

i typically use jan but my headnouns is uaully whatever i like at the moment. Currently im under the name “pia” with no headnoun because i just like it witthout.
The headnoun i’ve liked the most is kana, i chose this because i like it and it means dream and i contributed to this word in a way
I also stack meli linluwi for “internet girl” when i am miku core

[floral crescent]

i will add details about why you chose loje and then more personal details and publish it without your permission

[tribal stone]

i will shit everywhere

[nimble sentinel]

oh headnouns too?

[floral crescent]

yes! <@&1061183612709515354> don’t forget to talk about your choice of headnoun! could be as simple as “oh it’s just jan lol” or as complex as you want

pls edit your original message

so that it’s easier for me to process shit

[karmic grove]

oh for sure

[dark bane]

Timili doesn't preserve all of the consonants tho?

[karmic grove]

except for the last j i guess

as well as making the necessary changes like ignoring palatalisation and vocalisation

[dark bane]

the t

[ashen loom]

There was a trend in which people would change their name jan Usawi or smth similar, usually with a something else to distinguish themselves from other Usawi i.e. "jan Usawi (shgdohdghkevjoeuro)"*

For a while, my name was iwasU Usawi iirc

Then lipamanka once told folks to change their headnoun to lipamanka

*afaik no one ever actually used this name. I'm just describing what the names were like

Basically I commited identity theft

[karmic grove]

?
i preserve the D sound the only way i can in toki pona, using t

[dark bane]

the t in dmitry

[karmic grove]

aaaaaa

ok yeah i was aiming to preserve most of the consonants, that t didn't seem too important to me apparently

edited accordingly, good catch!

thank you

[dark bane]

:)

[floral crescent]

i’m also not queer (/pos)

[slender geyser]

mun Mekuwi is a tokiponization of The Planet Mercury. My old username was very cringe and so i changed it, but I don't remember exactly why I picked The Planet Mercury tho. neocities https://theplanetmercury.neocities.org/

[floral crescent]

yeah fucking queers

[slender geyser]

@floral crescent

[ashen loom]

This is just for my nickname in ma pona though

[slender geyser]

I picked mun Mekuwi long before I had like internalized the internationalism in toki pona so when I made my nasin pi nimi mun Mekuwi was picked as the one from Latin bc i was selfish

[naive lava]

idk how to phrase it hahaha
tldr: i'm too basic and normal to wanna try anything else

[slender geyser]

yes i was in that call it was when jan Usawi was jan Usawi (the real one) and then somebody made themselves jan Usawi (the fake one) and it was all downhill from there

and then we spelled kijetesantakalu

[rain lotus]

our system name is kulupu Kajosi (yes, servername says kulupu Kalamate, but we havent gotton around to changing it) we're very chaotic, so taking that, we decided to have it be kulupu Kajosi

for my name, I go by Esatale, which is a toki ponization of Estrelle, one of the names I go by. my headnouns are jan and ijo because my neurodivergencies kinda disconnect me from personhood sometimes

jan Kekan stan ↩️

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[naive lava]

i am queer, but not at the stage where i explore non-jan identities (yet)

[ashen loom]

In another server I'm sitelen kala because fish pfp

Though someone else there uses sitelen and I kinda don't like how I'm kinda copying them but I'm not THAT bothered since I rarely talk there anyways for some reason so I don't think about my username there much

[naive lava]

wait i just realised what you meant, that's not what i intended it to say oops

ok i fixed it

oops

[floral crescent]

hahaha

[runic gyro]

lon Mona:

• the headnoun i use is kinda important to me. i didnt want to use jan, and i didnt want to use kulupu either. i wanted my plurality status to be ambiguous, in a manner similar to how number is unmarked in toki pona. even tho this isnt marked in the word “jan”, the communitu would associate a headnoun “jan” with singletness. maybe i also feel a certain disconnect with humanity. idk. kulupu has an even greater association, im not sure what a singlet using kulupu would even mean by that. (not saying it doesnt/cant happen, just saying other interpretations of that is rare). ijo felt unimportant for some reason. ill admit, a large part of that was my (false) belief that ijo are inanimate. i no longer believe that. yet i still feel weird with ijo as a headnoun. idk why. i briefly considered animals - soweli, waso, akesi, etc etc, but i dont have enough of an affinity with any of those (even tho i do love birds), and my headmates probably wouldnt unanimously agree with any choice there. so i landed on lon. to me, the word lon in toki pona is very broad, more so than others, and im not really sure why. i should think about it one day. i feel the most affinity with the “existence” idea in lon. i like the idea that i just exist, with no further statement on why, or how. i exist, as what is irrelevant. it’s simultaneously affirming that im here, which is important to me bc idt i matter, and affirming that thats all i have to be, which is important to me bc i feel unaccomplished and unimportant.
• Mona, i kind of just thought of. ive gone through several names in toki pona, none of which have any particularly meaningful significance. i just like how it sounds. my name in english is very important to me, both my deadname and my chosen name, even tho i genuinely dont even like my chosen name aesthetically. ive changed my toki pona name to Mona, and i very well may change it again from Mona. whatever.

[naive lava]

the /pos was supposed to be for the word queer, not the phrase "i am not queer enough" 😭

[jaunty seal]

hot damn this is a good community question!!

• first name Gabriel -> Kepijo, which I made very excitedly as soon as I watched jan Misali's pt3. but I didn't totally like it and a couple weeks later I added "-na" from my last name (inspired by "-sali" coming from Halley) for a more "fluid" sound? and maybe a more feminine flair?? it's never going to be as badass as "Lakuse" but by now there's no changing it, it's solidified in my head. awen la mi jan Kepijona pi nimi pona.
• headnoun edit: by default i'm a jan, but i'd love to be called whatever headnoun fits context most appropriately (nasa Kepijona if someone perceives me as weird, etc). the "seme" headnoun I use on discord started as a joke, but now I hope one day seme-headnoun will indicate this preference. "what am I to you?"

[karmic grove]

a good place to be
i'm stealing that way of describing it thanks

[sour girder]

my username is usually F-22 Raptor on literally everything + people call me raptor -> Wapa, waso because F-22 is a plane and also birds :D

[karmic grove]

says a literal pan

[floral crescent]

lmaooooo

[karmic grove]

pi moment

[floral crescent]

oh also i don’t actually feel bad about pinging again <@&1061183612709515354> pls if you’d like to have a link to a personal website or be credited in a specific way, edit it into your original post please!

add it in

it will be fun and community building

[quartz hill]

"leko Laso" is a calque from my nickname Greencube. Because of this, even though I'm not tonsi I use a non-jan headnoun

[karmic grove]

what if my personal website has nothing but a todolist of what i want to be there

[naive lava]

yea literally 😭

should've put brackets or something

[slender geyser]

whatpost?

https://theplanetmercury.neocities.org/ here's my neocities

its pretty bare bones

[floral crescent]

the post you made about your name (if you did)

oh @slender geyser add my button >:(

<a href="https://lipamanka.github.io/special" target="_blank"><img src="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995054054864605245/1023666309004808404/unknown.png" alt="lipumanka | a dark purple button with a figure in a yellow coat writing"></a>

anyone else too

[slender geyser]

u got it bauss after i finish the chess tourney

[floral crescent]

add my BUTTOM

[slender geyser]

-remindme 15min lipamankabutton

[scarlet briar]

Set a reminder in 15 minutes from now (<t:1678554215:f>)
View reminders with the Reminders command

[keen forum]

first i tokiponized "hecko" to Eko, then because we already had an Eko i switched to Weko (which was also a nimisin i made for tetris-like games (weka + leko)), then because we already had a Weko i stared into a random name generator and picked out Kita because it means "bushy tail" in polish
[kili· taso·] because iunno that's just what my brain thought of by default

https://hecko.my.to/, headnoun of your evil choice

[floral crescent]

this is great everyone, thank you!

keep em coming, i will write a short analysis after each one

ideally beginners will be able to look at a wide breadth of examples to determine how to choose their own name

[upper ravine]

🥔

[floral crescent]

PERFECT

[vernal ore]

added an epic bonus sitelen pona explanation to my message

[floral crescent]

feel free to add illustrations also

@echo lion i want you to do this too bc i love u

@sly pasture also you

@brave rune

[strong bramble]

did you see mine lipabestie

[scarlet briar]

Reminder for @slender geyser

Reminder from YAGPDB

lipamankabutton

[rough isle]

@floral crescent oí. mi pan Opa. Opa comes from my nickname Ober which comes from Obscure which has been my discord name for a while. pan li pona. mi pan. (mi jan kin.) mi musi e kalama https://youtube.com/@janopa9719

[floral crescent]

mhm

[rough isle]

Oh i guess ill link my yutube

[brave rune]

I first toliponized my English name, Isaiah -> Aseja, but it didn't really feel right, so I decided to maintain the I letter instead Aseja -> Iseja. I didn't realize this at first, but the first letter of my name is important to me

[floral crescent]

i will also link to your bandcamp i love it

[frank star]

Chose Eweke because I wanted to keep the double e’s of my English name (Erek)
Any animal headnouns are ok with me and jan
Don’t have a website (yet) so here’s my link tree: https://linktr.ee/paranormalchicken

[brave rune]

at first, I wanted to tokiponize my username, Sirstotes/Stotes, only to realize that it really doesn't tokiponize all that well.

[floral crescent]

amazing

[sly pasture]

my discord username is MMMMMMMMMMMMM, which is 13 of the letter M, and most people call me M13, so "M Thirteen" > Ensasin. and i use jan headnoun cause i am jan. in sitelen pona i usually do [en sama sin], indicating that each word is worth more than one phoneme however i feel like it at the time

[brave rune]

me omw to legally add a toki pona word as a second middle name 🚶

[rain lotus]

nano

jan Kekan stan ↩️

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[keen gate]

Wilo is literally Willow lol

[floral crescent]

what about mama meli akesi

[keen gate]

oh that's a literal translation of my toki Inli username (velocirator mom™️)

[floral crescent]

amazing

[keen gate]

thanks

(normally velociraptors are waso tawa mi, but the velociraptor in this context is an akesi)

[tawny hill]

i asked kama sona how to tokiponize my name and they came up with either nijan or nijon, and since nijon is also the name for japan in tp i went with nijan
nanpa headnoun is because i like tech and math and stuff

[brave rune]

why is it not capitalized you should explain this too :3c

[tawny hill]

because i never capitalize anything in english wither

either

[wide mural]

EEDNB -> i’idienbi -> ikitijenpi -> ikisijenpi
sitelen headnoun was originally just for online usage (bc from other’s perspectives i’m just words/audio from their computer), but now i use it in all contexts because to others, i simply exist in their brain through their senses

[cedar grail]

Starling => Salin
(1) I don't like the vibes bc I really like the g at the end of my name
(2) uh
Stalin => Salin

so I picked salinka. kinda decided on a whim to tokiponize my middle name Jane => Jen for fun, there are probably better ways to tokiponize it but i was only beginning so I hadn't heard of tokiponizing english J to S and I like preserving the letter without the pronunciation sometimes. dissenting

headnouns la i usually go with jan because i do just like it but sometimes i have switched it out for fun. I've liked switching it for pipi because i have autism about insects

[wide mural]

oh shit @floral crescent

[ivory thorn]

Luna.. -> Luna.

soweli tan soweli (cat)

(most interesting story ever)

[floral crescent]

ponhão

[jaunty seal]

brão moment (i'm guessing it's pronounced with schwa)

[boreal scarab]

my name tokiponized (echo > eko)

[floral crescent]

it not skfjkajajrf

[jaunty seal]

i cri

[floral crescent]

it’s ɐ̃ʷ

[spare garnet]

my username most places is nim and "Nin" is just ugly so for a while i didn't use a tpized name
then i started using my name on my accs but i still coudlnt find a good tpize of alex so i still was just alex
then eventually i started using "jan Alesa" then i decided for my nick to just drop the jan be "alesa" then people were calling me a'lesa instead of 'alesa so i nicked myself "ale sa" now perhaps my headnoun is ale nobody will know

update to add more info:
i also don't object to people calling me "alasa"
sp: i use sp only rarely but when i do for personal use i usually use [a lete sama] or [alasa lete sama]. one time i used [alasa]
pfp: my pfp is "alesa" in tp conscript

[tawny hill]

you actually don't have to say my name without the capital, that's just a choice i made specifically

[high marsh]

casio -> tokiponized to kasijo , sounds near identical & looks rlly cool :)

jan -> found out other systems use "kulupu" headnoun -> jan / kulupu -> found out about other non-jan headnouns , think theyre really neat -> using "ijo" kinda gives me the same feeling that it/its pronouns do in english , i like that -> ijo / jan / kulupu -> ehh i kinda dont like being refered to as kulupu by myself , i rlly only like it contextually refering to Us as a collective - "ijo Kasijo" & "kulupu Kasijo" are 2 different entities -> ijo / jan

[halcyon siren]

nimi la, the first time i wanted to learn toki pona i was going by the name hazel, which i tokiponized to jan Ese and then didn't like very much. nora was my middle name at the time, and i started going by both names later, so i tried jan Esenowa (from "hazel nora"), and that was better, but i wasn't sure about it. gave up on toki pona for a while, came back about 3.5 months ago, and by that point i was only going by nora and not hazel, so i just kept the "nowa" part and went with jan Nowa.

(tldr, hazel –> jan Ese -> not a fan, hazel nora –> jan Esenowa –> better but not great and i changed my name again anyways, nora –> jan Nowa –> still use that)

headnouns la, i don't uhm. i don't really care about them, as long as it's not mije. but i noticed that there are two other "jan Nowa"s in this server (one from "noah" and one from "nova") and so i decided i wanted a silly headnoun in my nickname to be more distinct. i went with "kisa Nowa" because i have a whole Thing with cats and i think using an obscure nimisin headnoun is funny, but nowadays i like lajotu more as an obscure nimisin for cats anyways.

(tldr, don't care about headnouns, use jan by default, but for nicknames in this server i've used two silly jokey cat nimisins, kisa and lajotu, because i like cats a lot)

sitelen pona la, i use [nasa o weka ala], which is supposed to be something like “don’t stop being silly” or whatever. because i like being silly. and i like having a full sentence in my name. i don’t remember the full process, i tried a lot of other names that either looked bad or i didn’t care for the meaning of, but it doesn’t really matter, i like [nasa o weka ala]. also i figured out a way to turn it into one of the cats i always draw on my hands and that’s cute. figured it out when i was trying to make a name glyph for linjamanka.

(tldr, [nasa o weka ala] ≈ “we stay silly :3”, looks nice; and can be drawn as a cat.)

[floral crescent]

this is literally better than i could have hoped for, this corpus is gonna be so useful for beginners

[tawny hill]

i also asked them to translate my other name, river, but it got absolutely botched in toki pona so i decided not to use it 😅

[leaden cradle]

temmie -> Temi
very simple straightforward tpization of what i go by on the internet

headnoun la, i started off using jan but i didnt like the sound of jan Temi and i wanted to be more unique. i considered soweli bc temmie undertale, who i take my name after, is one of the most soweli ever, but then one night i was like "what if mu" and its perfect!! its a great way to incorporate the "mew" part of my username, its a very silly word, and nobody else in the community uses it as a headnoun.

sitelen pona cartouche la, i spell my name with sitelen kalama as [telo· mun insa] which makes a very poetic noun phrase that i love the aesthetics of. the way it looks written out isnt the prettiest but its fine, i guess. there wasnt much of a trying-things-out stage before i landed on that, but i have tried out alternatives since then and this spelling has proved itself my favorite.

sitelen pona name glyph la, there was more of a journey to this one. i closely identify myself with the imagery of foxes, fae creatures, and the night sky, so at my first attempt at a name glyph i landed on the glyph for "mu" with fairy wings and the ears shaped more like fox ears. it was cute, but then i realized it was based on my headnoun which would look weird because it was supposed to just represent "Temi." on my second go around i decided to lean into the celestial body idea, and i eventually came up with an impressive feat of graphic design: the tail of a fox stylized into a crescent moon, accompanied by some sparkly stars. its admittedly not a perfect fit for the sitelen pona aesthetic, but im really proud of it.

https://temmiemew.neocities.org/

[rain lotus]

Can’t believe you didn’t Tag Me smh.

my name actually came first before our system name. My name, Niamh, is an Irish name meaning “bright” so I translated that to “suno” and for a headnoun I wasn’t really sure at first but I knew I didn’t want “jan” because personhood is just a weird concept to me and I don’t entirely identify with it for system reasons. I decided on “kala” because I really love marine biology, my proxy emoji is a whale, and I feel like it just suits me!

our system name, kulupu telo mun—kutemu for short—was a bit harder to figure out. Our system name is the Nebulae System and it was very important to me to get across the actually meaning of nebula/nebulae in the name we chose. I could have just gone with “kulupu mun” but it didn’t have the same connotations to me that kulupu telo mun does. We understand it to mean something along the lines of “water stars” or “star sea” which is very close to what nebulae are!

(Link my nasin /threat) https://nasin.li/@kuluputelomun/kalasuno

jan Kekan stan ↩️

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[floral crescent]

hi sunfish

[rain lotus]

Death threat

[floral crescent]

omg

i have gotten some of those i think

[normal hearth]

uhh Alesi from Alex and then I at first only used jan cause I didnt know there were other options. later added ijo and soweli as headnoun options for voidpunkness reasons although no ones ever used those for me aha. personal website is https://glazeliights.neocities.org

[floral crescent]

WAIT WHt if i MADE A WEBRING

[leaden cradle]

PLEASE

[raven ibex]

before i knew about toki pona,
Kelsey -> Kelly
which i tokiponized
Kelly -> Keli
i tried jan Keli and it made me feel sad for reasons i don't fully understand yet. maybe it felt boring, maybe it gave me some sort of dysphoria? it just felt inauthentic to say to the world "please call me jan"
i like birds, and i like climbing and jumping and flying, and i like wearing wings, and i like the toki pona word waso
so i tried waso Keli and it fit like a glove
@floral crescent

[floral crescent]

ponha

[undone crescent]

mi lon lipu sina anu seme
tenpo ale la ni li weka tan sona mi
mi ike!
Ret Samys->Re Tsamys->Ke Tami

[floral crescent]

mi lon a

[spare garnet]

tocki fello walex

[halcyon siren]

forgot to mention sitelen pona!! waow that’s embarrassing i meant for this to be as in depth as i can make it

it’s been added 😌

[ivory thorn]

ooh cool

[halcyon siren]

fun thing about nasa o weka ala is that the combined glyph for weka-ala is just soooo satisfying to me

bc the lines of the weka can just extend the lines of the ala

[mortal imp]

Helena -> Lena -> jan Lina
I wanna change headnouns but nothing has really stuck so far

And 󱤤󱤏󱤾󱤀("lawa insa nasa a") because I wanted something that looked nice, was silly if parsed as a sentence, and didn't use sitelen kalama (which I actually love, but I know some people might have trouble reading it)

http://lensdeer.tumblr.com
http://github.com/marshdeer

[visual oracle]

it comes from the name I've used online for over a decade, daenyth. I kept the D because T didn't feel as nice to me. Deni feels connected to the original in a way Teni doesn't, though in sitelen pona I do write my cartouche with T. And I don't mind if people say Teni to me

[floral crescent]

perfect!

damn I can't wait to compile these either today in a fit of hyperfixation or in a few months

[slender geyser]

real

[uncut rivet]

a a i tokiponized Xan to San,, though i used to go by "mexicoball" and wanted to go by "sike Mekiko" but i got tired of 'mexicoball' and finally changed my disc name to "Xan" (and the tokiponization came after :D)

ilo headnoun because i've had a robot pfp since [checks] november of 2021 and am slightly (?) robotic !!

[floral crescent]

nice!!!

okay i’m excited about this, i love being able to have quotes from everybody talking about these things

im going to embed SVGs of everyone’s discord messages on my website so they’re screen reader accessible but also images and so that i don’t have to add alt text

[echo lion]

@floral crescent I am in the group of people who tokiponized their online username! Onmonopia was shortened all the way to Ono. I played around with other shortenings, but i specifically like this one because it’s fun to say AND in sitelen pona i can spell it “o n o” which is very pleasing to me

I use jan as a headnoun primarily, but i don’t mind others! EXCEPT meli/mije/tonsi!! keep gender away from mi pi toki pona

And i don’t have a website 💔

[floral crescent]

okay mije Ono

(mispronouncing you, cissy)

[uncut rivet]

thanks !!

[echo lion]

I also used to go by Onmonopija but i was quickly and RUDELY corrected.

/incredibly angry and furious

[floral crescent]

yeah you were NOT advanced back then

whoops i shaved off a bunch of my hair in t he shower let’s hope it looks alright

[uncut rivet]

/pos

I MEAN

your dog pfp is very silly /pos

BUT THE COMMAND DELETED MY MESSAGE A A

[echo lion]

LMAOO

[uncut rivet]

let's hope

[echo lion]

Thaaanks :3

[floral crescent]

wait i have my phone i can just check

fuck it doesn’t look amazing

[echo lion]

Where is the missing hair

It is like a sideburn or smthn

[floral crescent]

yeah

where the ears are

like the stuff that goes in front of the ears

[echo lion]

Accidentally calqued toki pona grammar 😭

[floral crescent]

it’s been messing with e

[halcyon siren]

ni li sama sideburn anu ante

[floral crescent]

so i shaved them off bit by bit

[echo lion]

linja sina o kama sin lon tenpo poka

[halcyon siren]

sideburn
(n.) sideburn
English sideburn

[floral crescent]

I JUSR EEALIZED THE PART I SHAVED OFF IS THE PAET THAT NEEDS TO VE LONG BY JEWISH LAW

[echo lion]

seli poka 🤯

[floral crescent]

LMAO

[echo lion]

NOOOOO YOU’RE GOING TO HELL NOW

[floral crescent]

no silly jews don’t believe in hell

[naive lava]

you're not going to hell now!!

[echo lion]

Wait until you hear about the new sect i’m starting

[floral crescent]

calls you slurs

check text message

i called you slurs

[echo lion]

Ok one moment ❤️

I’m back!!

You chose some good ones 😌

[sour girder]

headnoun this is so cool

[sand marsh]

i picked “len” as a joke but now i’m attached to the supreme vibes of it. it feels like a curtain and nice and flappy, and the secret vibes add a nice abstract touch. (the joke is that i’m the jacket in my pfp, not the person)

“Keso” is a tokiponization of “chess” in “chesspiece”. i picked K over T because i liked the sound better, and i chose to end in O because A gave me dysphoria, i didn’t like having two Es, I felt like Kacey so also dysphoric, and “Kesu” felt japanese which wasn’t the vibe i was going for. i also like that it could equally be a tokiponization of queso.

update in that i forgot i changed it to Koso, because O is a good sound and deserves love

[floral crescent]

based

these stories are amazing!

[uncut rivet]

i like this :D

[glossy vortex]

@floral crescent I originally tokiponized “Antonia Brown” as “Antonpan”. However, when I learned nasin kalama I changed “Anton” to “Ante”, resulting in “Antepan”. My headnoun is originally "jan soweli" for "catgirl" but then I removed the "jan".
Finally, here's my personal website: https://tb148.eu.org/ (I just realized that I'm adjacent to you on sike pona!)

[tawny hill]

oh wait we were also able to send links
check out my blog, it is not specifically toki pona related but it's still epic i think https://paintdneon.bearblog.dev/

[spare garnet]

updated to add more info

[maiden light]

This account name is just from Nathan, though when picking a name for mi Takon specifically, I thought about it a lot more.
I tried to find a name that ended with n because my brain associates names then end with n a lot better with me. I also definitely wanted the sound of the name to feel good. I don't really like K's at the start of names, and I only like l's or s's when they are together (Sasalin is an amazing name). From that, I found an English name that would have a tokiponisation which fits that, and I got Takon. I don't go by the English version though since I stopped liking it.
This account name is palisa jelo for obvious reasons, though I chose palisa jelo because I don't like words stating with K as much as mentioned before, so kili was out of the question.

[night root]

@floral crescent
so my descriptor is Kawen which is from my name Galvin, and i noticed some Gavins online also tokiponise their names with Kawen, which is cool;;
my headnoun is soweli because my irl friends have described me as soweli-like at times, and also just to be a bit different from those other Kawens i mentioned

(my sitelen pona name is usually spelled as kule-ante-wile-e-nasin)

[floral crescent]

woah based

[night root]

i should mention i decided one day to not use full stops online and just use multiple commas/semicolons

[umbral stream]

my toki pona name comes from my IRL name Zac
i actually used to go by jan Sake when i first started because as a beginner i could not stand to lose a consonant
but i took a significant break from tp and when i came back i noticed lots of people saying syllables are preserved and switched to jan Sa (also because i did Not vibe with my previous name)

i write my name in sitelen pona as jan [sona ala] purely because i think its funny

[floral crescent]

wait i thought your irl name was sean

wait no that’s my headmate

[ivory thorn]

lmao im just boring. luna = luna

i havent chosen characters for sp name

[hushed gorge]

I haven't chosen characters for my sitelen pona name either and it changes every time

(do this, it's cool)

[tawny hill]

same i don't really have anything cool for my name

i can do nanpa ilo for the first two characters which is fun but what do i do for the j and a

[tawny hill]

wait how do you do cartouches as uxbwiwcbiwxniscn

[tawny hill]

fuckin

[hushed gorge]

It might be brackets [] but I am not familiar with this

[tawny hill]

i just checked it is

i am

aibsiabiaba

[hushed gorge]

Cool

That's alright, writing sitelen pona from the latin alphabet is super unintuitive, not standardized, and english wants me to add a 3rd thing

[tawny hill]

anyways THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES I USE ignore the failed cartouche

[tawny hill]

oh my god the english wants me to add a third thing
why is that even a thing aaaaaaa

[hushed gorge]

I dont know, I was just typing the message and I phrased it for having 3 things before realizing I only had 2 things to say

[ivory thorn]

?

[raven ibex]

kisa is a pretty obscure nimisin so it's only supported by these fonts:
sitelen seli kiwen asuki, nasin luka, Fairfax, and linja ante

[ivory thorn]

but it can unu???

just surprised lmao

ive only ever seen kisa

lol

i didnt know unu existed until today

:(

???

yeah its not necessary, im just using it in my name cuz 1) purple, and 2) moon

ohh

ty

#jaki message

sad

lmao

[ivory thorn]

OH MY HECCING GOD IM SO STUPID

WHY DID MY BRAIN GO TO ESPERANTO

[raven ibex]

vi estas bonan

[glossy vortex]

I write my name like this in sitelen pona

[ivory thorn]

bona*, in this case

[ivory thorn]

OK nvm... my sp name will NOT have unu in it 😭

no charcode for it

there are 3 u initial words.. unpa uta utala

help

uta is just ???
unpa is no
utala.. :/

[glossy vortex]

Suggestion: Use nasin sitelen kalama and choose a word that starts with lu

[ivory thorn]

that works but its less common to do that

[hushed gorge]

u is teeeeechnically a word, reserved for future use by sonja

[ivory thorn]

lol

[hushed gorge]

Oh there's usawi! @ivory thorn relatively rare but a fun word

[ivory thorn]

yeah but: https://www.kreativekorp.com/ucsur/charts/sitelen.html

otherwise i would love to use usawi

[hushed gorge]

Also.... this i guess

Ah, for ucsur... dang

[ivory thorn]

cant use it if u cant type it

[jagged osprey]

ah umesu and ewe.... words that exist only for #musi-ako

[stark dawn]

@floral crescent Kana is a simple tpization of my preferred name, Hannah. there's also the headnouns "puwa suwi loje" which idk they're just words I want to describe me ig

[rain lotus]

does this vibe

also @jagged osprey before I add it can I ask permission to add the guide you wrote that's on jan ne's website?

[jagged osprey]

maybe "written by Sonja Lang a long time ago"

[floral crescent]

okay, good distinction

[jagged osprey]

it i dunno how good that guide is

[floral crescent]

I like it a lot personally

I think it's really useful but I can write commentary and modern nuances about it

[rough isle]

ni li vibe

[jaunty seal]

🅱️ oki 🅱️ onists

[urban fractal]

i agree

[visual oracle]

o consider placing the guide on sona.pona.la if you want to

[floral crescent]

the name guide or sonja’s guide?

for sonja’s guide that can definitely just go on sona.pona.la

for my thing, sure

[visual oracle]

sina pona

[rain lotus]

essay DEMAND: tp wants you to be subjective (and what that means)

[floral crescent]

oooo fun idea @ivory falcon can you elaborate a bit on that

[floral crescent]

anyway another idea

“musical traditions around the world and how to adapt toki pona using non-european and/or non-anglophone methods” where i discuss how in indian raags i singers add an extra a to codas so like “pan” would become “pana” and i think that’s cute and funny and

[rain lotus]

adaptin systms tht r explicitly incompatbl rathr thn ones tht fit already feels
odd

[floral crescent]

so?

it’s music and it’s not european

[rain lotus]

th whol point abt "euro music doesnt feel ryt 4 tp" s tht, well, euro music isnt rly compatibl
nt tht ts euro
f ther wer euro traditins tht fit i'd prefr thos

[floral crescent]

eh… i mean i guess

[jaunty seal]

why do you type like this? /genuine

[floral crescent]

typings hard

this way is easier for her

[floral crescent]

<@&1061183612709515354> <@&1085723430818684958> <@&1085722995101798430> (not sure if i’m pinging the right roles bc they have different names in the role thing but) i will be starting a color study on toki pona soon, i need a large sample size to do it justice, please react if you see this for fun, i’ll be pinging again when the study starts. (this is an academic study that i will be writing a paper on !)

[stark epoch]

weeeweeeeweeeeweeeeweeeeewwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[tribal stone]

win

[floral crescent]

TEN REACTS IN LIKE 15 SECONDS WTF

[stark epoch]

that's the power of lipamanka

[tired ocean]

your influence

[floral crescent]

hi jan Ono

[echo lion]

The masses hunger for lipamanka content

[sinful hollow]

should I participate if i’m not fluent yet?

[floral crescent]

ily

[floral crescent]

uh yeah obviosuly

[echo lion]

Ily2 :3

[stark epoch]

i can't breathe i am going to suffocate

[sinful hollow]

oh ok then sorry

[floral crescent]

jfkakfjs nooo that wasn’t sarcastic or mean

i value people at all levels!

i will take that into account during my descriptivism

[sinful hollow]

I didn’t mean to make you feel bad sorry!

wait I said sorry again

whoops

[floral crescent]

you didn’t make me feel bad

[tribal stone]

descriptivism is so lame i think u should just rig all the answers to be prescriptivist

[floral crescent]

true…

[undone crescent]

is this going to be a "describe what laso is" survey or a "describe the following colour in toki pona" survey?

[floral crescent]

it will be a “here are some color chips” survey

[undone crescent]

looking up color chips

[floral crescent]

i will be testing this with several irl toki ponists as well (like at least five)

[floral crescent]

just chips that are colored

[undone crescent]

a

curse my non-nativeness

[frank star]

yellow

potato chips are yellow

[undone crescent]

||Paprika flavoured ones are red|| food

[floral crescent]

skill issue

[tribal stone]

potato chips are beige actually /prescriptivism

[floral crescent]

not food chips

[vernal ore]

erm, dont you mean, potato crisps? 🧐🇬🇧

[echo lion]

Omggg toki pona needs a word for beige!

[floral crescent]

i imagine they’ll be shaped like guitar picks

[echo lion]

To complete the color words

[floral crescent]

i will go take a look at them within the next hour

[frank star]

no

[undone crescent]

https://previews.123rf.com/images/iamnee/iamnee1302/iamnee130200141/18062084-computer-memory-chips-an-illustration-collection-of-colorsful-random-access-memory-or-ram-in-four.jpg

[hushed gorge]

There are toki ponists irl?? Where?

[floral crescent]

also if you live in the twin cities or close enough to take part in the study irl and i don’t already know you then pls dm me

[frank star]

idea: kapesi means beige and not brown or grey like laso means cyan not blue or green wow!

this is not how color words work

[floral crescent]

hey can a mod pin this

@maiden light

[maiden light]

pona a

[floral crescent]

pona

[marsh oak]

@floral crescent do u have an invite to ma kule

[floral crescent]

not on hand

why do you want to join

[frank star]

omg the twin cities are partially in wisconsin that's crazy woah

[floral crescent]

do u want to observe lipamanka in its natural habitat

[marsh oak]

yes

that is exactly why i wanted to join

[floral crescent]

that’s kinda creepy so i refuse ur not allowed

[marsh oak]