#tok(g)pon(q)

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night finch
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the language of breadbox

tok(g)pon(q) is a tokiponido (i hope) that is heavily influenced by kay(f)bop(t). it takes the vagueness and multiple meanings of toki pona and escalates that to the vagueness and multiple meanings of kay(f)bop(t). it will have many toki pona-like parts in so that makes it a tokiponido

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tok(g)

language, listening, stone, wearing a hat, knowing the rules, dirtying hands, raised eyebrows, interacting with the book Toki Pona: The Language of Good, debating semantics

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mun(@)

a multitude, a group of twenty, talking to someone using the word "vous", platypuses, a parked car, two people who both have multiple pronouns, a non-nickname name, roots

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nan(6) -- nimisin [and electric vehicles]

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nan(6) can be whatever you want and it is AUTOMATICALLy official vocabulary if it is used by an even number of people

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-a(q)n- [affix]
denser than a breadbox (humourously, formal)

sterile mango
night finch
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if it's even, it's official

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if it's odd oops not official until someone else uses it or i say "it is official"

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hats len lawa, whatever len it is
(g) green cloth (or blue as well)
(q) quilt (or a blanket with pattern)
(@) gloves
(6) mittens

night finch
coral quarry
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mun(@)a(q)n

shadow maple
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How ought the hatnemes be realized?

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Do you've recommended brands?

night finch
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green or blue cloths are very common

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you probably have a blanket with pattern around

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don't recommend glove or mitten brand in particular

south girder
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i assume that's what he's asking

night finch
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just buy some

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PHONOTACTICS
[v]cvn
v: vowel
c: consonant
n: nasal, and k also because i say it's a nasal
l: len lawa

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there's also the EMPTY HAT (a)

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you wear nothing

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on your head that is

south girder
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i'm very scared that k is a nasal

woven relic
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(as opposed to filled hats, which can be full of rabbits, cake, or black tar)

south girder
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len lawa? what's that. i only know poki

night finch
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next root
pok(a)
poking, phonotactics, side, boxes EXCEPT breadboxes, phonemic len lawa, the set of talking planets, the set of non-talking non-planets, boxbreads (breads that are in boxes), lawa len phonemic

night finch
night finch
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and if you prefer, you can put on the len lawa AFTER you say the first mora (yes, mora!)

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so like you could say

ma
[quilt]
nu
n [while gloves]

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or also
ma [while quilt]
nun [while gloves]

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"k" isn't its own mora but "u" is

night finch
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-u妛pek(g)
of old creative works and actually was made worse (number comes after for how worse) like George Lucas

woven relic
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"as bad as 1 George Lucas"

night finch
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yes

woven relic
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is it usually in the micro-George-Lucas, like a micro-Helen?
Or is it usually more in the multiple George Lucas?

night finch
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"u妛" is pronounced /yuieu˥˩˧/ but this is strictly one vowel, just like /kts/ is one consonant in poliespo

night finch
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number system!
-osi(a), one but also tau
-tu(q), two
-muk(@), many or twenty [tip: turn "n" to "k" to turn root into suffix!]
-sik(6), seven
-si(a), zero
[x][y] means [x+y] rounded to the nearest multiple of 17
si(a)[y] means [-y]
[y]si(a) means [1/y]
[x]si(a)[y] means [x/y]

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so "of old creative works and actually was made worse exactly like 1 George Lucas" is -u妛pek(g)osi(a)

coral quarry
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there's no (a) len lawa

night finch
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don't you remember

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(a) is no len lawa

night finch
coral quarry
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oh right

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my mistake, missed that part

night finch
coral quarry
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what's that thing in the middle

night finch
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tone

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indicator

coral quarry
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ohhhhhh

night finch
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high-low-mid

coral quarry
night finch
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lol

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i mean

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uh

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tone

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marking

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i'm adding ǜ which is the LINGUOLABIAL TRILL WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR

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it's special because any word with it doesn't need the len lawa on it

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and it replaces the vowel-nasal "vn" combination

coral quarry
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i propose a nasal fricative, which becomes a nasal trill if you have a stuffy nose (the trill changes the meaning of every word that has the fricative)

night finch
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yeah you can replace ǜ with 2 (the 2 looks like a nose), the nasal fricative, to add "/lh" to the sentence

coral quarry
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and the nasal trill makes it /neg

night finch
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if you make it the linguolabionasal trill you put both /lh and /neg on it

coral quarry
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so -m2(a)- (idk came up with it on the spot) is "to adopt a starving orphan" but if it's the trilled version it's "to burn an orphanage"

night finch
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wait it has to be a modifier

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since affix

coral quarry
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linguolabionasal is burning the orphan and adopting the orphanage

night finch
night finch
night finch
coral quarry
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aighty

night finch
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wait is nasal fricative sneeze or something

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or is it just

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blowing your nose

coral quarry
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no, it's blowing air out your nose

night finch
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ah

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btw since you of course don't wear hat, the (a) is only for training purposes. in practice you don't write the (a)

coral quarry
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makes sense

daring wind
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what about american Kay(f)bop(t): phonemic guns

night finch
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oh now time for the writing system tok(g)=tok(g)sik(6), "language of seven stone"

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wow the sik(6) joke tripped me up

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ǜ is its own word, meaning the most general pronoun

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hmmm how to say "3" in tok(g)pon(q)

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-muk(@)muk(@)muk(6)si(a)sik(6)sik(6)
20+20+20 -> 40+20 -> 34+20 -> 54 -> 51
7+7 -> 14 -> 17
51/17 = 3

sterile mango
# coral quarry so -m2(a)- (idk came up with it on the spot) is "to adopt a starving orphan" but...

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night finch
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uhhhhh

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now "u" is a mora

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now to translate some sample sentences

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the order for sentences is object-subject-verb

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if no object, the subject becomes the object

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ǜ m2(a) ǜ

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i burn orphanage

robust bluff
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what is the pon(q) root

night finch
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pon(q) is not a word. -pon(q) is a modifier

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-pon(q)
done to improve on something

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switch the n for a k, you get pok(q). this should not be confused with pok(a)

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you need the hat

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*len lawa

night finch
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secret ||sitelen pona unpa||

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2 2̀ and ǜ are both vowels, nasals, and hats

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they include all

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it can replace something like "on(a)"

night finch
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btw when i say "hat"i mean "len lawa" because any cloth is a hat if you try

night finch
# night finch

you might ask "why FOUR stones there are only two" in which i will reply maximum stones is four

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you might also ask "why lang" in which i will reply idk

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close enoguh to writing

robust bluff
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interesting way to make 4: tu(q)si(a)tu(q)si(a)

night finch
robust bluff
night finch
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wait i just realized i didn't put (a) hat

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(a) hat is .

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i also realized that it shouldn't be m2(a), just m2

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#. ### ##.#.###.#

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"m2tu(q)"

robust bluff
night finch
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no @ is .

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a is .

robust bluff
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so a is at the top

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wait you could use discord emojis

sterile mango
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m2 is an obscure game console

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The Panasonic M2 is a video game console platform developed by 3DO and then sold to Matsushita, a company known outside Japan by the brand Panasonic. Initially announced as a peripheral chip for the 3DO Interactive Multiplayer, it was later unveiled as a standalone console. The console was cancelled in 1997, but the M2 technology was incorporate...

flint raft
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this is really funny to me but i dont know kay(f)bop(t) where can i learn

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ok i found the server but i still dunno how to learn

sterile mango
# flint raft this is really funny to me but i dont know kay(f)bop(t) where can i learn
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good luck learning

flint raft
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ty

sterile mango
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i doubt it's even possible

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but you can try

flint raft
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is this gonna be like ithkuil because i considered learning that once

sterile mango
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This time with subtitles!

Lyrics:

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shof(b)vic(f)fol(p)sel(p)vig(t)sang(b)ha(p)ha(p)zzz(b)fish(b)vlim(p)kay(f)sna(f)ga(f)ga(f)
fe*(t)buf(b)mob(...

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sterile mango
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It has phonemic facepalms

flint raft
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why would you not want this

sterile mango
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And you wear 4 hats

flint raft
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i love hats

sterile mango
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if you really want to try go ahead

flint raft
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i have no headphones so videos are off until the morning

sterile mango
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look at the documentation then

flint raft
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i am too powerful im gonna be fluent in like. 2 seconds because gaming

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i shall

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mi tawa

night finch
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i don't even know how to speak kay(f)bop(t) im just making this joke

flint raft
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gaming

modern condor
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nwt is everywhere gosh i'm tired of it but ok
i'll try to manage

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also i'm not following or stalking you nwt

flint raft
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what is nwt

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oh wait im dumb

night finch
modern condor
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ik

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i just found it

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and accidentally came here

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a a a

robust bluff
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@night finch idea: put all the roots and affixes so far in a google doc

night finch
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hmmm i should make another root

flint raft
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yes

night finch
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sun(a)
sun, pentagram, shining orb, to turn something into the sun, sunrise, sunset, solstice, solitude, souls, sorrow, socks, to exchange, to get suggestions from west africa

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also can turn into the suffix -suk(a) meaning "exchanged for information about shining socks from west africa taxi"

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on a scale of 1 to 85 socks

shadow maple
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Noice!

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-suk(a) might also mean "exchanged for information about mythological sun gods"

night finch
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yes it could

valid dune
night finch
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excellent everything is going to plan

modern condor
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idea: son(6)
kokosila, scone, not knowing/getting the jokes of kay(f)bop(t) or tok(g)pon(q), pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, ordering every frappucino at starbucks, cheesy bread

night finch
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uh i'll just do github

wary sable
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otki

night finch
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nan(6) -> -nak(6)
pok(a) -> -pon(a) [very confusing don't confuse with toki pona "pona" or tok(g)pon(q) "pon(q)"]
-u妛pek(g) -> u妛pen(g)
tok(g) -> -ton(g)
-sik(6) -> sin(6)

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-pon(a) means "this word is sponsored by boxbread poking len lawas™️"

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if you use a number it means "holding (#) boxes"

night finch
robust bluff
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if n swaps with k, then m can only swap with nothing

night finch
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no

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m stays the same

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som(6) becomes -som(6)

robust bluff
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hmm

night finch
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ones ending in vowels can't become suffixes

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or suffices?

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anyway it can turn into infix

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si(a) becomes -i(a)s-

robust bluff
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wait

night finch
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wait no

night finch
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ok so

robust bluff
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a(q)n is denser than a breadbox

night finch
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uh

robust bluff
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so na(q) is breadbox and density?

night finch
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kind of

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it specifically means

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dense breadboxes, dense boxes made out of bread, bread denseboxes, cereal boxes (poki pan!!), and bread-breath breadth

night finch
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sure

valid dune
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idea: -kan(a) meaning exactly 25, 37 or 41 of something masculine, future tense, the speaker is speaking from experience or the perfect aspect

modern condor
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idea: tu妛s(yyyyyyy) a secret hat

night finch
modern condor
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oh

night finch
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let's say that tu妛n(a) is the normal one (meaning, among other things, good fish made for eating) but tu妛n(yyyyyyy) is the SECRET TO EVERYBODY made only to distinguish beginners of the language from EXPERIENCED ones. hat is made of yellow yarn. meaning must be figured out through immersion, like viossa

modern condor
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yes

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i'm playing uno but reverses swap hands AND every time you play a wild the penalty for +2 and +4 goes up by one

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mi nasa

night finch
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bruh this has nothing to do with tok(g)pon(q)

modern condor
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on a side note

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that's what it was

night finch
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pok(q)si(a)

modern condor
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mi pakala

modern condor
night finch
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pok(q) is the root form of -pon(q), so it can mean "good"

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-si(a) means "zero"

modern condor
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sigh

night finch
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"good zero"

modern condor
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so not good?

night finch
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yeah

modern condor
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ike a

night finch
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your word was good though

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anyway yeah that's how you do negation

modern condor
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which one

night finch
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i mean

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your idea

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for the (yyyyyy)

modern condor
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yea

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i like that one

modern condor
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no

night finch
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ok

modern condor
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scone

night finch
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ok

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naturally, it becomes -sok(6) as a suffix

modern condor
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ok

night finch
modern condor
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is there u

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or is it just u(chinese char)

night finch
night finch
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(who gets the reference)

modern condor
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likujo?

night finch
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yes

modern condor
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i will now type u妛 as ü

night finch
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-sik(6) means seven

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so yeah

modern condor
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sama

night finch
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(the joke being that "-sik(6)" would lead you to believe that it's 6)

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(also)

modern condor
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a a a

night finch
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anyway bye

modern condor
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idea:sim(6)
seven as an ordinal, anything related to the number 7,

SAMA WAN TU SAN PO LUKA SAN SAN LIKUJO(actual meaning)

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ok bye

modern condor
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remember, (yyyyyy)sü is so secret only the enlightened can understand it

night finch
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make a post then

modern condor
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for what

night finch
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(q)nop(g)kot

modern condor
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yes

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as a forum?

night finch
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yeah

modern condor
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a

robust bluff
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its just tok(g)pon(q)backwards

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but ( and ) are reswapped

modern condor
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so

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no*

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(yyyyyy)su is a secret word that isn't in tok(g)pon(q)

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not even (yyyyyy)us

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or us(yyyyyy)

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idea: pa(@) sokoban, rules, sokoban rules
only specific people who get the reference can proceed
pa(yyyyyy):||baba is you||

robust bluff
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if tok(g)pon(q) is the language of breadbox, then pok(q) should mean breadbox

flint raft
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tok(g)pon(q) is absolutely an improvement on language

modern condor
night finch
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pok(q) means improvement

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pok(a) means boxbreads and non-bread boxes

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bam language of breadbox

modern condor
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nuk(@)
animal noise, potatoes, exactly 496,102,204,498 kg of oranges

night finch
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so -nun(@) as the suffix

modern condor
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yes

flint raft
valid dune
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puk(@)

foggy chasm
modern condor
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yes 7

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7 is anything besides @

modern condor
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:zmu:

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oh

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mu needs a word

robust bluff
valid dune
night finch
modern condor
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group good

night finch
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revive

night finch
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you know how "tenpo suno seli" doesn't have to be "day of fire" but just "fire-like day" (hot day)?

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like you can use adjectives as related words?

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in tok(g)pon(q) it's REQUIRED to use them as related words instead of the actual direct meaning

night finch
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so like

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-si(a) means "zero" but not "no"

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however, as an adjective it's related to "no" or "not" so it comes to mean that

modern condor
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okay...

modern condor
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also does tok(g)pon(q) have a full name like kay(f)bop(t)

night finch
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no

modern condor
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sad

night finch
modern condor
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kokosila confirmed

night finch
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by the way "kokosila" in tok(g)pon(q) is "pok(q)tu(q)pon(a)" meaning "two boxbreads sponsored by boxbread poking len lawas™️"

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ǜ pok(q)tu(q)pon(a) ǜ
"you speak about me in an inappropriate lang"

modern condor
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whaat

night finch
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a

night finch
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a

robust bluff
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idea: usu(g)

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meaning: the opposite of umesu, dots, sitelen pona

modern condor
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nice

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idea: yupeko(si)
the word says it all.

night finch
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i already made yupekosi joke

modern condor
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aww

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ike a

night finch
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u妛pek(g)osi(a)

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this is "to behave like george lucas and change your works bla blah blah"

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more specifically, to behave like ONE george lucas

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u妛pek(g)sik(6)
to behave like SEVEN george lucases

night finch
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either ONE george lucas

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or 6.2831... george lucases

modern condor
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so(6)eli(a) soweli, exploding your 35x35 minecraft base and running to coordinates (54, 37, 1003.475) in the span of 46.37295 seconds, black bags

modern condor
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eli(a) eli, exploding your 17.5x17.5 minecraft base and running to coordinates (27, 18.5, 501.7375) in the span of 23.186475 seconds, half of a black bag(s)

night finch
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what's so(6)

valid dune
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also make it a perfective aspect marker why not

night finch
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sure

modern condor
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what

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oh yeah

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my word

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son(6) is kokosila

modern condor
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okay

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so(6)
multiply each number in the following phrase by the square root of the number preceding it, 2 by default. also 2 if number behind is a perfect square

modern condor
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bruh it's babel and never gonna give you up at the same time

rigid depot
modern condor
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@night finch how do you say "i kokosila"

rigid depot
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‹mi toki pona ala lon ma pi toki pona›

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a kepeken toki tok(g)pon(q) la nasin li seme · mi sona ·

modern condor
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what is it then

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pls tell me

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o pona

night finch
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[general pronoun] kokosila [general pronoun]

modern condor
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ah

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"i order every frappucino at starbucks"

night finch
modern condor
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ah

robust bluff
night finch
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oh yeah i should make something

modern condor
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a

robust bluff
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a

woven relic
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I use the nasal fricative (voiced and unvoiced) in my conlang 😛

valid dune
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casually slips Italian vocab into the already Eurocentric IPA

modern condor
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mu

modern condor
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jan Kikili's kay(f)bop(t) writing simplification

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ǜ is now ù

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u妛 is now ü

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done

night finch
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i don't believe i've mentioned the phonology yet

modern condor
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a

night finch
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p, k, t, m, j, and w have to be pronounced exactly like in ipa

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l is a rhotic

modern condor
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what rhotic

night finch
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the labial alveolar(or velar for formal) tap

modern condor
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i'm not a linguistics nerd like you nwt

modern condor
night finch
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uhh

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hold on

modern condor
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is it the weird r thing

night finch
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/ɾʷ/

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this

modern condor
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ok

night finch
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take the japanese r, or the american butter consonant

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then round your lips

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congratulations, you have just made a /ɾʷ/ sound

night finch
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tok(g)pon(q)ers don't believe that whatever rhotics exist

modern condor
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ok

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vowels

night finch
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so we decided on the labial alveolar(or velar for formal) tap

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anyway

modern condor
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like ù

night finch
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vowels

modern condor
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ù is annoying

night finch
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we already know how to pronounce u妛 and ǜ

modern condor
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?

night finch
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yeah

modern condor
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what about u

night finch
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u is pronounced /ʉ/

modern condor
modern condor
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what about ü and ù

night finch
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the first is /yuieu˥˩˧/

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the second is /r̫/

modern condor
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wait how is ù a vowel then if it's /r thingy/

night finch
night finch
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anyway

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e, i, o can be pronounced like ipa

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but in informal speech, they can be more like /ɐɛ̯/, /ɪɹ/, and /ɑ/

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a is /a/

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but can be omitted altogether

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i forgot n and s

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/n/ is affected by the len lawa

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if there's no hat, it's /m/

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if there's (6) or (q), it's /ɴ/

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otherwise, it's /n/ or /ɲ/

night finch
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we don't believe in whatever rotics

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but we do believe in whatever fricatives

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s is the whatever fricative

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can be /f/, /ʍ/, /ɧ/, or even /ɻ˳/

mint bolt
modern condor
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mu

mint bolt
night finch
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oop

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actually, labial velar tap can be anyway

modern condor
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mu

mint bolt
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mu indeed

modern condor
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mun

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waso: mu mu muuu

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(3ls baba rp lore)

night finch
mint bolt
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no

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velar taps are there

night finch
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oh

mint bolt
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The voiced velar tap is a type of consonantal sound, reported to occur in some spoken languages.
There is no dedicated symbol for this sound in the IPA. As it is a very brief g-like sound, it can be specified by adding a 'short' diacritic to the letter for the voiced velar plosive, ⟨ɡ̆⟩.
The velar tap is not known to exist as a phoneme in any l...

night finch
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a

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i see

mint bolt
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if anything velar click is way harder lol

night finch
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a

night finch
mint bolt
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ok so gü- in spanish

rigid depot
mint bolt
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o lokon

modern condor
rigid depot
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‹ali› anu ‹ale› · ‹kepeken› anu ‹kepeken e› · seme li suli · mi la o kepeken ‹kepeken e e› · ni li lili tawa mi · o toki pona o toki ala e nasin toki taso ·

flint raft
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if you can have a velar tap then why don't we havr a velar trill yet

night finch
flint raft
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skill issue

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what's the ipa for gargling

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obligatory joke avoidance water only

night finch
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new ipa extension

flint raft
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i dont recognise the first one

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is it uvular plosive + trill + water

night finch
flint raft
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how do you implosive

night finch
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look it up

modern condor
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ok revive

flint raft
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crazy

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mi kokosila a

night finch
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tok(g)pon(q) li kama lon?

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???

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tenpo pini la mi lukin tawa poki ni, taso mi kama kukin ala

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tenpo ni la ni li lon

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wa

valid dune
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where can i learn this

night finch
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mi pali tawa ona

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ni li nasin pi toki kay(f)bop(t)

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ilo o kasi ala

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o lukin e toki ali pi poki ni

stone patio
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ni li musi a

night finch
night finch
stone patio
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aaa mi o lukin lon tenpo lili

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toki ni li toki Topon lon toki pona anu seme?

modern condor
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ala

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li toki kay(f)bop(t)

upbeat stratus
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@night finch would also suggest adding the popes hat (must be the current pope's) or the crown jewels to the list

night finch
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i'll add that to mean a tone indicator for "either very formal or very informal"

upbeat stratus
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perfect!

cerulean token
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formality level of ±100%