omori-manga-📖

[torpid acorn]

[marble smelt]

its just mental gymnastics

[inland laurel]

im not saying i myself believe the theory, i just dont think its that much of an issue if its thought as a possibility

[serene juniper]

the reddit is for me to bait its users with oc slop

[marble smelt]

yeah but the issue is that its not a possibility

the game specifically says she died beforehand

[serene juniper]

I got them to think lucille was in the manga for a second

[tall summit]

It's like trying to say the earth is flat

"what if the people who say the earth is round are lying?"

[inland laurel]

whoops

[serene juniper]

you are comparing a game theory to flat earthers

[inland laurel]

mb for asking chat didnt know the fandom was this mad about this question still😭🙏

[serene juniper]

exhibit A of why the truth sucks:

[torpid acorn]

speaking of "...isnt breathing"
there is the entire hospital room in blackspace also said this person is not breathing

[inland laurel]

isnt that the one i mentioned tho

[torpid acorn]

oh?

[marble smelt]

well yeah it just gets incredibly tiring when the game has been out for 5 whole ass years and people still try to spread misinformation about it like it hasnt already been confirmed otherwise this entire time

[inland laurel]

idk man i just asked why it was a big deal

ik know

awesome sauce

[torpid acorn]

I thought you were mentioning in Sunny room

in ANYWAY, we shouldnt theorize anything from the manga

[inland laurel]

nah not that one😭usually people say it was because he was very out of it so yeah!! he didnt realize she wasnt yet!!!! or whatever

i just want to mention AGAIN. i dont believe mari was alive still

i just thought it was a valid argument from ppl who think otherwise and dont find it to be a bad thing

[torpid acorn]

[tall summit]

imagine the manga somehow manages to shut that theory down

It'd be so peak

10/10 manga

[torpid acorn]

man the community will split in half

[marble smelt]

lets be fr people would still try to argue otherwise

[tall summit]

😭 true

[torpid acorn]

on that day, where Omori becomes nothing. It splits in 2 ahh

[inland laurel]

lets hope 🙏‼️‼️

[tall summit]

they'd just say "he thought she wasn't breathing but she was"

[inland laurel]

most likely less people tho

[serene juniper]

if the manga is canon I might end it

[torpid acorn]

and if Sunny or Basil knew how to do CPR or whatever, it would be a whole different story

[torpid acorn]

and the community would still blame for anyone

[inland laurel]

i still believe its vague so i Understand why people think she mightve still been alive. i mean that part where they show her eyes were open when hung does take over the blackspace segments. its shocking its a big piece of information regardless it be like that

[tall summit]

adaptation is adaptation afterall

[serene juniper]

I understand why people think she might've been alive because she shouldn't have died from that fall

[simple solstice]

Unless her broke ofc

[inland laurel]

yeahhh

[marble smelt]

omocat could tweet right now that mari died before being hung and i can guarantee people would still try to do mental gymnastics and search for some deeper meaning behind the post and claim that it actually meant she only died after being hung

[tall summit]

Like how basil claimed to be the one who scribbled the photos in the lake scene

[serene juniper]

yeah, unless her broke

[hazy ocean]

Why not ?

[tall summit]

which didn';t happen in the gam

[torpid acorn]

I've read a comment on youtube said she opened her eyes because of the sudden something something that caused the muscle to interact something. I need to find that comment again however

[inland laurel]

her broke 💵stonks down

[simple solstice]

Perhaps she was just unconscious but they couldn't tell and hung her killing her?

[inland laurel]

OH YEAH ik whatchu mean

[marble smelt]

thats a normal thing to happen to corpses

[inland laurel]

about her muscles and stuff

[marble smelt]

the muscles relax a few minutes after death

[inland laurel]

eyes opened unwillingly

[torpid acorn]

the manga itself ruined the original character

Like NUI made FW Aubrey like a bitch

[tall summit]

https://tenor.com/view/mortis-death-faith-the-unholy-trinity-black-background-gif-16127590072717400258

[torpid acorn]

yea yea that

[marble smelt]

rigor mortis

[inland laurel]

I HATE THE MANGA(i still read it)

[simple solstice]

I mean they were just kids they don't really know how to confirm that someone is or isn't dead?

[torpid acorn]

(same)

[simple solstice]

She may have survived the fall but they had no way of knowing..

[marble smelt]

then omocat wouldnt have went out of her way to write a line confirming that she was dead

[tall summit]

we got a 2nd guy

[serene juniper]

she should have survived the fall but I know she's not meant to

[torpid acorn]

bro they know, Sunny knew because he nearly drowned

[serene juniper]

because this game sucks

[inland laurel]

listen i get it's frustrating but its fiiiiiineeeee im sure most people would understand 😭😭

[torpid acorn]

and uhh, kid can assume isnt breathing = likely dead

[inland laurel]

u DO gyatt to admit the line IS very vague tho

🙏🙏

[marble smelt]

its not

''this person is not breathing''

[inland laurel]

okay then💔

[simple solstice]

Not breathing doesn't mean that there dead..

[hazy ocean]

Are we really acting like she isnt one in the original game just because we dont actually see her abusing Basil on screen ?

[marble smelt]

it cant get less vague than that

[torpid acorn]

well she threw the photos out of the yard in the manga instead of kept it by herself safe in the game

[inland laurel]

for me it felt like sunny perceived her as dead, not that he was 100% sure, professionally sure, out of shock as an 11 year old sure, that she was dead

[torpid acorn]

thats where it kinda ruined the character

[inland laurel]

IM JUST SAYIN‼️‼️i get why its a confusing subject. thats all

[marble smelt]

he was 12

[inland laurel]

mb 12

[tall summit]

So what's the point of showing that sentence

[simple solstice]

Yea..

[hazy ocean]

Oh that, okay i can understand. I thought you were talking about Aubrey actually being angry and hurting Sunny and Basil. Saw a lot of people acting like it was ooc for her.

[inland laurel]

same situation tho

[torpid acorn]

yall forget to theorize that how long did Basil and Sunny waiting for Mari to respond

[simple solstice]

True

[torpid acorn]

like I've never seen anyone once theorize this

[inland laurel]

i dont think that even being a shocked 14 year old after pushing his sister accidentally would make it any less significant anyways

[simple solstice]

Didn't they bring her back to her bed?

[inland laurel]

they did ye

[simple solstice]

She still wasn't responding after awhile I'm guessing

[torpid acorn]

lets assume Basil and Sunny waited for 30 minutes to see any sign of Mari

[marble smelt]

yes thats where the ''this person is not breathing'' line happens

[inland laurel]

love ur pfp with the discord headphones btw its peak

[simple solstice]

😂 it accidentally went well with omori

[torpid acorn]

idk why it reminds me of a pilot speaking on an airplane

[simple solstice]

It does ngl

[inland laurel]

bro is gaming

[simple solstice]

I'm training to be a pilot getting my gliders license soon

[inland laurel]

a gamer pilot

[simple solstice]

I'm a Sargent in air cadets currently

[arctic junco]

The consequences of Omocat not being a prolific auteur

If James Cameron made Omori and said Mari died from the fall, then she died from the fall

[simple solstice]

Yep

[inland laurel]

MAYBE and lets hope the manga puts an end to this discussion cus omg im tired of it always ending up in a fight

[arctic junco]

People would have eaten that shit up
But because Omocat is not James Cameron, people bash their own brains in for a line of thought that would shatter the entire game, its premise, its messaging, and its themes

[simple solstice]

Mhm

[inland laurel]

even if i dont like the manga but HEY it has its good thingies

[marble smelt]

the game itself already confirms that she died before the fall so even if the manga confirms it a second time i heavily doubt thatd change anything

[inland laurel]

like kel

[simple solstice]

I bought this for 1.70 yesterday worth it?

[inland laurel]

i love kel

[inland laurel]

PETROCK REFERENCE

[simple solstice]

I'm thinking abt painting it omori vibe or smth :3

[arctic junco]

By even entertaining the line of thought that "Mari could have died from being hanged!"
You're not meeting the game where it's at.

[inland laurel]

real? i dont think it changes much

the hanging was already a crazy outcome in the first place

[arctic junco]

You're basically rejecting the game's reality and substituting it with your own.

[inland laurel]

huh??

[arctic junco]

If you understood that reference
You're old
Get to a retirement home

[simple solstice]

What should I paint it design wise?

[arctic junco]

It's absurd if trying to place it irl ig
But it happened for a reason, and it's not by accident

[inland laurel]

yeahhhh im not old lets go🔥🔥‼️🔥‼️🔥‼️i say as i hold my back while complaining about the pain and walk slowly n shi

[torpid acorn]

it's funny

I will wait for his result posting on the reddit

[tall summit]

he posted the translated comics

But not the 'theory

[inland laurel]

wait whose reddit whatd i miss

[marble smelt]

the guy who started this entire discussion

[torpid acorn]

im pretty sure she was certainly died from no breathing at least for 5 minutes because Sunny tried to call Mari and then both Basil and Sunny had to drag her all the way up it took at least 10 minutes to do that

[torpid acorn]

..ah? I remember he would no?

[marble smelt]

they translated a bonus thing for the manga or something and there was a side note for it about shaking trees and they tried to connect that to mari only dying after being hung

[torpid acorn]

ghost Mari appears in the game is crazy enough

and now this

Omocat and NUI try to manipulate us or sth

[inland laurel]

OKAY OKAY

[tall summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inland laurel]

whatever the theory was WHO CAAAAARESthe page was cool

i liked the part where aubrey killed the tree and they all died

and when theyre havin a sushi eating contest

awesome cool great

[violet aurora]

What

[violet river]

it changes everything

if she died hanging, then it is no longer just a freak accident but murder

[inland laurel]

hey agree to disagree

i still think the hanging was already bad on its own but it be like that

[arctic junco]

What?
Blud is right. It may not be first-degree, but that would still be murder

[inland laurel]

isnt it already with what sunny did? it was STILL an accident

[violet river]

I mean, going from Basil fearing abandonment due to what already happened to Basil being such an idiot he actually killed her is a massive change in consequence

[violet river]

Sunny pushed her due to anger in the wrong place at the wrong time

Basil would have been stupid enough to instead of checking if she was alive to killing her prematurely

[arctic junco]

Basil if he has IQ in the negative

[inland laurel]

thats true the consequences do change as it would officially mean he caused her to die

[marble smelt]

itd be manslaughter either way

[torpid acorn]

remember they had to wait at least for 10 minute wating Mari to respond

[violet river]

it would but it will be treated differently

[nimble moss]

At this point, this is VERY BARELY hanging on to any respective relevance to what the channel is meant for.

[inland laurel]

but i feel like the argument kinda takes away the blame off of him dont ya think? he still chose to go through with the hanging. its still really bad (im not making basil evil im just stating what he did was bad, just in case)

[nimble moss]

I mean, don't we have a game spoiler discussion channel meant for this sort of thing?

[simple solstice]

I was gone for five seconds Jesus people type fast

[inland laurel]

the one difference would be that this time, they didnt know she was still alive

[violet river]

there is a difference between pushing someone and then dying due to a freak accident, and putting a body on a noose to cover a crime only for the body to be alive and you actually killing a person

[violet river]

This channel is on topic once in a blue moon

[marble smelt]

theres only 1 manga chapter per month obviously people are gonna run out of stuff to talk about at one point lmao

[inland laurel]

both outcomes have basil hanging her body. it changes one thing in the outcome only

[violet river]

But the hanging being a cover-up for Sunny, and it being what killed her

has HUGE implications to how utterly idiotic those two are

like, I wouldn't feel bad for them

[inland laurel]

but he didnt know, thats what im sayin

[violet river]

it would be them actively killing her out of stupidity

[violet aurora]

I think it's only on topic when a new chapter releases

People talk about it for three days then move on

[arctic junco]

One thing only, yes
(If you ignore the consequences)

[inland laurel]

hanging her is already horribly stupid on its own tho😭

[arctic junco]

So there's this thing called the butterfly effect

[inland laurel]

BUTTERFLY EFFECT MENTIONED

[violet river]

It is but it is more understandable that he hung a dead body, over a living one

[torpid acorn]

[violet river]

Like, that fact completely changes how i view Basil and Sunny at that time

It goes from "stress and fear of abandonment at seeing Mari dead made them acti stupidly" to "those fuckers were incompetent and irresponsible enough that they hung a living person"

[inland laurel]

okay if we're going that deep into the topic😭😭since we're talking about consequence, lets say she wasnt alive. the friends dont know that, but wouldnt they think about the possibility that she was anyways??

[arctic junco]

If Basil were genuinely responsible for Mari's death, Omori as a game would be MASSIVELY different

[torpid acorn]

from Omori to 'Stranger' title

[inland laurel]

sunny is responsible for mari's (accidental) death. basil is responsible for staging a suicide

[violet river]

They could, but it doesn't matter. The story is meant to be told to us. And from it we presume they wouldn't as they trust their friends enough

[inland laurel]

so what consequences are we talkin abt

JAIL?? i thought yall meant something else😭😭

[violet river]

of how we as the reader interpret their characters

that's what matters

[nimble moss]

Unrelated but here.

[inland laurel]

well i aint knowledgable on laws n stuff sooo im poppin outta that one teehee

[inland laurel]

me

[violet river]

Of "is Basil in idiot that killed a person" or "an idiot that tried a stupid cover-up"

[arctic junco]

You're thinking about things with an in-universe lens, aren't you?

[nimble moss]

I remember when she made her first appearance in the manga and everyone was basically simping for her so hard lmfao.

[simple solstice]

There not idiots they were just scared and didn't know what to do?

[violet river]

if we talk laws, Basil will be charged far worse than Sunny in the other scenario, but I do not particularly care

[torpid acorn]

this is how community treat Basil if he was the one to blame for mari death

[violet river]

If they hanged Mari living?

[simple solstice]

Nooo not basil

[violet river]

oh no

they will be utter idiots if they did that

[simple solstice]

Yea but

[nimble moss]

Some people do that anyway; just that the bomb happens to probably be smaller.

[simple solstice]

She probably wouldn't have made it to hospi-tall

[inland laurel]

im not sure what you mean but is it a bad thing?? i dont think my questions are invalid

[violet river]

why?

if she was alive she would probably make it to the hospital

[torpid acorn]

this can be enough

[arctic junco]

It's not necessarily a bad thing
But by viewing things with only that lens, you'd be missing what we're trying to say here.

[simple solstice]

She was unconscious and possibly fatally injured

[nimble moss]

Bugs when you lift up the rock:

[inland laurel]

i dont think im looking at things with specific lens

[violet river]

We are just saying that it makes the story worse by changing the moral objectionableness of Sunny and Basil

[violet aurora]

The innocence

[inland laurel]

im just throwing my thoughts into the chat its really not that crazy

[nimble moss]

That Polly parody account happened to delete their account a relatively short time after this, btw.

[simple solstice]

I'm play some omori

[torpid acorn]

i will blame Basil for not being professional, buddy could have called anyone for help

[torpid acorn]

but fuck it, this is a trash game anyway

[simple solstice]

It was 1990s they didn't really have mobile phones

[violet river]

There is a heavy difference between "Sunny pushed her in anger at the wrong place and the wrong time and Basil did the worst possible cover-up due to his fear of abandonment" and "Sunny didn't actually kill her, but Sunny and Basil were so stupid that htey thought they did so they decided to cover-up a muder that did not happen and as a result killed Mari"

it is so much worse

[inland laurel]

WELL i think i get your point, but at least in my case it wouldnt change much i would just be like Damnnn thats crazyestest than before ........and move on. since i already saw hanging a body and staging a suicide as a horrible thing anyways

[nimble moss]

Yes, with 213 thousand members on what is considered its "main" server.

[inland laurel]

obviously theres a difference

i mean, yea ofc 😭😭

[simple solstice]

Why are we all arguing on omori manga 😭

[arctic junco]

It would change a lot of things
Like, a lot

[inland laurel]

this subject started because of a manga bonus panel so😭😭

[torpid acorn]

because of that one guy and he was long gone

[violet river]

because it started here

[nimble moss]

Because they have wholly nothing else to do.

[torpid acorn]

[violet river]

and who cares, no one uses this chat

[simple solstice]

True

[arctic junco]

It's not really an argument, it's a discussion

[inland laurel]

hell yea i dont (i should be working)

[violet river]

if oyu wouldn't particularly care, that's fine, but I think you got hte point of why for some of us that difference is a big deal

[arctic junco]

When media discourse happens in a server about said media

[nimble moss]

Now that IS scary!

[simple solstice]

Question who wants a sunny/omori tamagotchi

Sunny Being a pet :3

[torpid acorn]

IF Omori manga was better:

[inland laurel]

im not saying i wouldnt care. im saying i personally dont think it changes much except from.the fact they could have saved her. even if they were, as 11 year olds, sure that she was dead, basil should NOT have gone through with a hanging

[nimble moss]

For Pride Month, the manga should do this. I am not sorry nor will apologize.

[arctic junco]

Okay
Take that premise
Run through the whole game with that premise in mind

[simple solstice]

12 not 11

I agree!

[arctic junco]

And you'd see massive cracks all over the game

[inland laurel]

in the case she was still alive, itd mean they were definitely not knowledgable and scared and shocked to the point theyd believe something like mari being dead as a fact and go through with it. it would STILL be an accident, just like before, just more insane. and yeah, the consequences change, but it be like that

[inland laurel]

ikik i just keep confusing the two of em 😭point still Stands, its a 1 year difference

[torpid acorn]

WHERE DID YOU GET THIS

[arctic junco]

Just so we're on the same page
Are you bringing stuff up because you wholly believe in the premise?
Or are you bringing stuff up just for the sake of upholding it?

[nimble moss]

Nui gave it to me for being good. /j

[torpid acorn]

WHO DREW THAT REPLICATE SO WELL TO THE MANGA ITSELF

[marble smelt]

btw kinda unrelated but you probably shouldnt say random numbers under 13 without context in the same message
discord's moderation team is mostly run by ai now so if even just 1 person reports your message for child endangerment, the ai can interpret it as you trying to say that your age is that number
(people have actually been banned for this before this isnt a hypothetical)

[nimble moss]

...Nah, it's just a random piece of fanart someone made, and I unfortunately don't remember the source. But I had it downloaded for a while.

[violet river]

He did, so you have to fit that into what you believe Basil would do as a person. My main theory was that he is bipolar and had begun developing more exaggerated symptoms already by that point, which caused him, due to his fear of abandonment, to take a drastic and reckless action. But there is a level of irresponsibility that I cannot excuse with just a personality disorder, if he was stressed enough over Mari being hurt and just presuming she was dead, it would matter to me a lot

[inland laurel]

youre throwing words at me man idk what this means🥀

[arctic junco]

YMMV, but I think it's obviously fan-art
Tries to emulate nui's artstyle, but still fan-art

[violet aurora]

I honestly still am looking for the roots of this I thought this was an actual page in the manga

The illustrator did a damn well job at . . . illustrating

[inland laurel]

you can excuse the hanging as long as she was dead?

or did i misunderstand

[simple solstice]

Rip

[arctic junco]

Do you actually, whole-heartedly, believe in the whole "Mari died in the hanging" thing?
Or are you just saying things just so it could be talked about?

[simple solstice]

Hmmm

[torpid acorn]

you can spread that picture to misinform everyone

[simple solstice]

Good question

[nimble moss]

Maybe once we get to the chapter where Crossroads happens, I'll have a 10% chance of dropping this image as a delivery boy in DMs.

[violet river]

Yes, was it the worst decision he could have taken? Yes, but an irrational action due to a dead body of a friend and fear of abandonment is more understandable than murder because you just thought a person was dead (could have checked better you dumbass)

[nimble moss]

It would be so evil of me lmfao.

[simple solstice]

Honestly wish it was real and cannon

[inland laurel]

oh i believe she died when she was pushed down the stairs. im talkin about this with the possibility that she was still alive as for me its a valid theory that i dont personally believe in

[torpid acorn]

YOU EVIL

[marble smelt]

the whole theory just comes across as trying to make the game seem edgier and darker than it needs to be tbh

[torpid acorn]

Do your job modestly as a delivery boy

[inland laurel]

but my statement comes from the idea that basil didnt know she was still alive and believed mari was 100% dead. the difference is they find out she wasnt when it was too late

[nimble moss]

Don't you mean "modestly"?

[simple solstice]

It is a valid pheory

[torpid acorn]

thanks, my English sucks sometime 🥀

[violet river]

yes, but then he is guilty of gross negligence by not makign sure she was alive

it comes off as stupid

[arctic junco]

'Valid' theories need to lead into something

[violet river]

it makes him stupidly incompetent and guilty

[arctic junco]

Theories need to make a point

What would be the point of having Mari die in the hanging?
What would be the point in having Basil definitively kill her?

[violet aurora]

Why does it kinda fit but also not

[simple solstice]

It does have a point kind of

[arctic junco]

What would Omori (and by extension Omocat) gain from this?

What lesson/message/story would it tell this way?

[violet river]

also tbf, Basil doesn't seem to feel guilty about killing Mari or Sunny feeling guilty about Basil killing Mari, so if your idea is correct, then no one ever learnt about it

which makes it useless

what's the point of her dying on the noose if it has no impact on the story? when I explained why it MUST HAVE

[nimble moss]

Alright, I ran out of things to say and am not about to directly join THIS convo.

[torpid acorn]

dont give him idea of spreading misinformation

[nimble moss]

Gotta go for now.

[torpid acorn]

bye

[violet river]

bye, have a nice one

[violet aurora]

Spread misinformation

[inland laurel]

hey agree to disagree. i just think its a different version of events in this case 🤷‍♂️ its not that deep in my head

[torpid acorn]

i mean you can spread that picture to fool everyone in this month

[arctic junco]

Maybe this is why media nowadays tends to bash people in the head with sledgehammers lately

[torpid acorn]

and blantly say oh yea NUI is planning to draw this

[inland laurel]

okayyyyy i guess????😭🔥

[arctic junco]

At least you're not subscribed to that idea
But surely you understand what people have been trying to say in this channel, yeah?

[inland laurel]

i was gonna say im done w the theory yapping i dont believe in it anyways, i simply think it makes sense why people would believe it

thats all

[arctic junco]

It makes sense
If people didn't stop to think about it for more than a few minutes, really

The thing with discussing theories in the fandoms of today is that
People tend to take them as the endgame, as what reality could be
Rather than taking them as tools to tell what media should tell

Like, in a cynical view, it's never really about what Mari's death at the hands of Basil could entail for the flower boy
It's only about whether he cause her death or not. Nothing more.

[inland laurel]

i understand that talking about opinions is pointless if theres no willing to get the other point of view without being blinded by one's own biasedness

i think yall have a point regarding basil having it worse in that scenario

and i believe in my point that it would still be an accident

again, im p sure mari did die because of the fall, mostly since theres no point thinking otherwise atp. unless its somehow debunked but i doubt it💀 i think its more obvious what happened, really

i just dont see an issue with people who believe she was still alive, because it makes sense why they would think that

UNFORTUNATELY disagreeing with people in this fandom always seems to end up badly so. dang

ANYWAYS LOOK AT MY GOAT

[arctic junco]

For people to genuinely believe that would be for them to fundamentally miss the point of the game, me thinks

Maybe there's something to dig for if it's used as a springboard for something
But in past discussions in other forums, the point of "Mari died in the hanging" is mainly used as just a possibility
An endgame
A what if

[inland laurel]

WAIT isnt one of the main points self-forgiveness? or r u talkin about another one im not thinkin of

[arctic junco]

Something shiny just to jangle in front of audiences starved for other things to discuss about

[arctic junco]

I'm more so talking about the general main point of the game

Which includes self-forgiveness, sure
The point can also be missed by not even meeting where the game is at

Slapping its conclusion away for your own. But for what, really?

[inland laurel]

a friend of mine just played the game recently

he thought mari was alive still

it isnt just to have something new to talk about, its just a thought about it

[inland laurel]

okay but like

how does it disrupt the meaning of the game?

like genuinely, i cant think of a reason lol

[arctic junco]

Do you still remember Omori? Like, the whole game?

[inland laurel]

yeah

i rewatched the game by watching the guy play

why??

[hazy ocean]

If the hanging is what killed Mari, the blame go on Basil.

Its not manslaughter anymore, its murder.

[inland laurel]

huh

i didnt think people would really put the entire blame on basil only

[arctic junco]

Take what you know about The Truth from the game
Replace it with "Mari actually died in the hanging"
Then try to apply that idea in every single portion of the game related to Mari

[inland laurel]

i mean a lot of people do that with the thought of her already being dead anyways

[arctic junco]

In the idea, Sunny may have injured her by pushing her off the stairs
But Basil finished her off by hanging her

[hazy ocean]

It was his idea, he was the one who convinced Sunny. Most of the blame would go on him.

[arctic junco]

Two 12 year olds
Not even bothering to check more than once if the girl is actually bloody alive

Omocat's not this stupid

[inland laurel]

i dont think a lot of 12 year olds would be super experts on the matter

[hazy ocean]

If the hanging is what killed Mari its not "Sunny accidentally killed Mari" anymore. It becomes "Basil murdered Mari by convincing Sunny to hang her".

[arctic junco]

Okay, but consider this
The game would fundamentally change.

[winter mantle]

It literally goes from "Sunny killed Mari on half-accident and now he hates himself out of it" to "Sunny knocked Mari out and had a friend so stupid that Mari is dead now"

[arctic junco]

The game wouldn't be what it is anymore.

[inland laurel]

man

i wont repeat myself. i alrdy stated my case 🥀

its fine

[arctic junco]

It is not a minor detail that you think it is.
Like, try doing this

[inland laurel]

i dont believe in it anyways. this discussion is sorta pointless now

[arctic junco]

You'd understand what we're getting at here

[inland laurel]

i already said i do understand, but disagree on some points

[serene juniper]

there's no proof that mari died

and I don't just mean the fall.

she's still out there.

[arctic junco]

She's inside your walls.

[inland laurel]

im sorry but im not talking about this to change opinions, im just saying i get where people come from when they say yo, what if mari didnt die!!

and about the whole "the game would change entirely" idk, i guess?? im not omocat

[winter mantle]

And, basically, it comes out of very weak arguments

[inland laurel]

thats cool

[arctic junco]

Wait
You're not even curious as to how the game would change?

[inland laurel]

i mean sure, thatd be cool

like an au or whateva

but im not here to argue against it im just sayin my argument is not about that

[arctic junco]

:<
Fandom really has changed since the 2000s

[inland laurel]

huh?? 😭

but this discussion wasnt about that it was about discussing opinions no??

[arctic junco]

It's not a slight against you personally/specifically

[inland laurel]

i would be interested in the changes if it was about specifically talking about changes in the other outcome

[arctic junco]

You're thinking of interpretations, not opinions

[inland laurel]

yeah that

[inland laurel]

that is true

thats one of the reasons why i believe in the "mari being dead already" argument

[arctic junco]

It would be a lot of changes
But mainly, Omori wouldn't be about self-forgiveness, but rather about forgiving someone who's done monstrous deeds

[inland laurel]

true!!

i think self-forgiveness would still be in the case but yeah the "forgive others" part would def be the main focus

kinda like

turning the main meanings of the game upside down in importance?? sorta??? idk!

[arctic junco]

You might wanna consider getting into video essays about media
They're the equivalent of literature classes nowadays lol

[inland laurel]

naaaa i already do that

[arctic junco]

It be fun, everyone should try them :3
Especially in this godforsaken fando-

[inland laurel]

bold of you to assume i read🫵🫵

nuh uh i watch video essays about games i like

[arctic junco]

They're fun, but video essays about traditional media is where it's at fr

Like the ones by Lindsay Ellis

[simple solstice]

Any tips on how to defeat Pluto?

[arctic junco]

Folks might know over at #omori-support-❗

[simple solstice]

Alright

I'll join this conversation again later

[inland laurel]

my struggle was jawsum on this one ngl😭😭

STOP CALLING YOUR KITTENS

[simple solstice]

I beat him first try always:)

Easy

[inland laurel]

😻😻😻😻😻

yall didnt say a thing about my goat

look at my GOAT

[simple solstice]

Kel so cute

[pastel oasis]

Ok so Mari death at hang you people were talking?

[spiral willow]

Why do yall let aubrey die man 😭

Is it from all the headbutt?

[broken totem]

Omori Anime Tomorrow

[simple solstice]

Yep

[pastel oasis]

Elaborate

[knotty shoal]

As for your question, yeah we were mainly talking about Mari talking about dying from the hanging

Though the actual point I had about it was that Sunny hung Mari completely unaware of her being still alive

And then Basil taking the blame for (like the photos) the death of Mari which in this case the police HAD to have found out it was a murder and not a suicide.

Though I didn't really mention that last part before

Also the image of the pigs was meant for @broken totem but I accidentally tagged you instead

[torpid acorn]

[pastel oasis]

I mainly meant the pig meme

I’m pretty sure the dying by stairs was the intended reading considering the unused photo album text

[knotty shoal]

The captions were deliberately erased from the files ENTIRELY when the final update was out AND from the 99 letter rooms that were basically scrapped and encrypted

Before the final updates the text was encrypted and still in the files

[arctic junco]

Okay, so your interest in the "theory" bout when Mari actually died got ignited because of...
These two bonus comics?

[tulip skiff]

"encrypted" thats really just the entire game being encrypted because of basic anti piracy measures

the only thing the devs actually tried to hide away were the dev rooms in 2018 demo

[knotty shoal]

Except the truth captions eventually ended up being the only encrypted content that got entirely removed from the game's files (and I mean actually remove every trace of it from the files) by the time the game had it's final update

[tulip skiff]

oh wait

they are 2019 build

i forgot

id still say that the truth photo descriptions can be taken into account when talking about what happened

as they are still official descriptions of the same event

they were only really changed because they broke the inmersion (or they just wanted to show rather than tell)

[arctic junco]

This doesn't impact canonicity of anything. It's unused data, might as well lighten the load off of players' disk drives by having it removed ig

[tulip skiff]

but the dialogue is still there

[tulip skiff]

the 12mb unused evil.ogg file

[knotty shoal]

Don't really remember that file having the dialogue but I'll try listening to it again

[tulip skiff]

im joking about the disk drives comment

[knotty shoal]

Oh

[knotty shoal]

So the dialogue that's still there... are you talking about the piano room scene where ghost Mari appeared

[tulip skiff]

the truth photo descriptions

[tulip skiff]

uhhhh

+t fall_killed_mari

[autumn sapphire]

​https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793307422050615326/820581718414065664/20210314001035_1.jpg

[knotty shoal]

Oh.

[tulip skiff]

just from a story context her dying on the fall makes the most sense anyways

[spiral willow]

thats what i keep telling folks

[tulip skiff]

her lying on the bottom of the staircase is literally one of the most used images in the game

[knotty shoal]

No when I said "oh" that was my reaction to how even the bots are willing to randomly argue

[spiral willow]

Its a narrative thing. Making her die to hanging is dumb from a narrative standpoint

[tulip skiff]

oh thats just tags

[knotty shoal]

It hadn't changed my opinion one bit

[tulip skiff]

+t random basildie

[autumn sapphire]

​kino.mr.missingno's tag 'basildie11'
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829477740867747910/975791056635449384/blackspacemoment.png

[tulip skiff]

the bot just does that

[knotty shoal]

Oh I see now

[tulip skiff]

she would be unconcious anyways its not like a lot would change either way

[knotty shoal]

Thought the bots were designed to disprove anyone who goes against common view

[tulip skiff]

as long as she aint waking up she would have still died

unless basil did notice that mari was ACTUALLY dead and just went with the plan from there

which at that point i dont think he would have

(at the very least she would have been killed by being dragged up and down the stairs if you go with the "oh she was like, still kinda dying but alive" route

[tulip skiff]

nah thats our job dw

[knotty shoal]

I just hope the manga gives us much more telling clues as to what happened much sooner

[tulip skiff]

i mean

[knotty shoal]

I mean sure the main plot isn't canon

[tulip skiff]

if there is something i trust nui with is to throw all subtelty out the window

[knotty shoal]

But the lore can still be canon

So... yeah

We'll just have to wait and see what happens

There's basically no other thing to do except that

[tulip skiff]

the blackspace keys were literally written to be torn pieces of a completely new photo that dosnt seem to be from basils point of view the truth is gonna be INSANE

[knotty shoal]

It isn't new actually

They're ripped peices of the photo Sunny shoved Mari in

From Sunny's point of view

[tulip skiff]

i do hope they keep one thing that is explained by the truth photo descriptions tho

basil INSISTED on the hanging

[knotty shoal]

Yeah me too

[inland laurel]

WAIT IS THIS THE SHOVING IN HIS PERSPECTIVE

[knotty shoal]

yep.

[tulip skiff]

it was a THOUGHT OF choise

it wasnt some panic of the moment brain fart

[inland laurel]

sunny was practically out of it bro was dragged along holy moly 😭😭😭

[tulip skiff]

he insisted on the plan

[arctic junco]

I'm inclined to agree. It needlessly complicates things for no good payoff

[arctic junco]

Basil's mentally ill doe?

[knotty shoal]

I mean if we find out that Sunny had the idea

Well

[tulip skiff]

thats just contradictory

[knotty shoal]

Let's just consider turning people into psychopaths is Nui's next talent

[arctic junco]

The manga is an adaptation of the game. Nothing more, nothing less

Dunno how some folks end up with this whole shtick about canon or whatever

[tulip skiff]

like he first tries to just calm him down then bro just goes nuclear

what are you DOING

[knotty shoal]

Ok you know what for the sake of this viewpoint let's assume that the manga ISN'T canon and the specific details of the truth captions were scrapped because Omocat wanted the details to be open ended

Except the obvious ones

[tropic hawk]

omori manga truth will be my personal 9/11

[tulip skiff]

also i dont think nui wants to make sunny look bad

mainly because of the church scene but also because sunny hasnt really done anything during the entire manga

keyword on sunny

omori has done things

sunny has generally just been dragged arround and passes out every once in a while

[inland laurel]

yeah thats an explanation to why he did it, i mean children dont tend to think of sum like that on the spot so he definitely got something going on

[tulip skiff]

maybe they are just afraid to mess with his character too much

[knotty shoal]

Though Aubrey did say that he would "go off the rails" sometimes

[tulip skiff]

maybe they are just going all in with the "silent protagonist" route

[knotty shoal]

In which he did when he stabbed her

[tulip skiff]

well yeah but that is more from a point of genuinely not understanding how bad slashing someone actually is

[inland laurel]

i have an issue with the whole "he's mentally ill" argument tho. ive seen SOOO many people use it as an excuse which i dont think is the right way to approach it

[tulip skiff]

bro has has been stuck in his room and had thoughts about self harm and funny rpg world for 4 years

sunny is very clearly not in touch with reality at the start of faraway in the game

[knotty shoal]

Real reason Headspace is evil

[inland laurel]

ay he did create some heat bangers in those 4 years tho🔥🔥🔥🔥

[arctic junco]

You misunderstood what I meant, which is "Why are you even separating the two's "lore," they're basically the same thing"

[knotty shoal]

And Omori

It was gonna turn him into a Faraway Killer

[tulip skiff]

i mean bro at the very least knows how to play music i would trust him on making some fire tunes

[tulip skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[knotty shoal]

Thought you were going against the manga's lore being the same canon as the game's

[arctic junco]

Lore, canon, god, the damage in internet fandoms is critical /hj

[spice yacht]

Is there a way i can get the manga without paying over $100+

[arctic junco]

Use the K-Manga app

[spice yacht]

Mk

I usually get stuff for physically lmao

[tropic hawk]

there likely won't be any english releases for a while

or ever

let alone other languages

[spice yacht]

Awh man :c

[tropic hawk]

for physical that is

[pastel oasis]

It’s better than fnaf adaptation lore canon I’ll say that
Manga is Basically just a retelling of the first with some stuff depicted slightly differently
Only real addition I’m aware of is showing Kel and Hero’s fight

[arctic junco]

FNAF adaptation lore canon, what does that even MEAN

At this rate, I'm gonna do what Basil did and k-

Kiss my homies goodnight

[pastel oasis]

As in some stuff from the novel trilogy was incorporated into canon, and in some cases you needed to read it to fully understand a character, except not actually because of the different timelines

[tropic hawk]

besides the different ordering of events and pacing, the changes are a bit more subtle and relate to the characters
aubrey is probably the most obvious although i personally have no idea what they're going to do with omori (as in, the character)

[pastel oasis]

And then the Fazbear frights that would have some canon materials despite being very separated from the main canon

[knotty shoal]

I've actually had plans to add the actual game-ripped captions to the album instead of just transcribing them

[pastel oasis]

And the tales from the pizzaplex books being completely canon but people try to ignore them

[knotty shoal]

Faraway album also has scrapped captions like this as well

Similar to the truth captions

And somewhat different

Actually confirming some stuff we already assumed for a while excluding the truth

[pastel oasis]

And the movie having explicit lore details for characters in the games (ok just the one but that was only vaguely implied in a cut email from a mobile game)

[tropic hawk]

tbf it's not really the best comparison since fnaf's story was (and still is) a moving goalpost

whereas with omori it's just one game that tells mostly everything it needs to

[pastel oasis]

Fair

[tulip skiff]

fnaf is a franchise it wont end

[knotty shoal]

Though it may tend to hide some small details sometimes

[tulip skiff]

fnaf lore will just keep contradicting itself until people realize it fucking sucks

[pastel oasis]

But that’s what’s kinda funny about it

It’s like the sinkhole the pizzaplex fell into

[tulip skiff]

matpat retired for a reason he saw what it was going to become and he wanted NO part on it

[pastel oasis]

Endless Fnaf, bizzare monuments to the mysteries of old eternally eating itself

[tulip skiff]

🙏

[pastel oasis]

You can’t help but admire it

[tropic hawk]

some unanswered mysteries are good to keep interest after the story's ending, but for fnaf it's people debating what the story even is
like the aftons weren't even a thing for a good while

[tulip skiff]

the lore was cooking crazy with sister location

[arctic junco]

You can argue there are MULTIPLE takes on FNAF with each and every game 🤡

[knotty shoal]

Now that aside I do have to agree that FNaF lore sucks

[arctic junco]

SUNNY is a slur now

[knotty shoal]

At least Poppy Playtime does a better job at it

[tropic hawk]

s*nny

[tulip skiff]

to be fair poppy playtime was made to be a bigger story

rather than just

[pastel oasis]

Four Nights at Omori lore
That is

[tulip skiff]

"oh i am cooking lemme make another one!"

and repeat 2 times then repeat 3 times then repeat forever

[knotty shoal]

Heck even Garten of BanBan somewhat does better than FNaF in terms of lore

[tropic hawk]

fnaf accidently stumbled into being one of the most popular indie games of all time, which is the funniest part
when scott designed the "lore" behind the first fnaf game he didn't envision all the shit that we know of now

[pastel oasis]

Yeah the murder bots (and the allusions to the illusion disks from the books) was where the story started to go a bit off the rails
But oh well I like the ambiance so it can stay. Except for night 4

And idk how much I like the retcon to Fnaf 4

[arctic junco]

FNAF 4 wouldn't have even being a thing if FNAF 3's jumpscares were scary (Cawthon was compensating for something)

[tulip skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/five-nights-at-freddy's-fnaf-fnaf-jumpscare-jumpscare-fnaf-jumpscares-gif-8625598336847924580

[pastel oasis]

There is something kinda weird and unknowable about 4 admittedly
Considering the amount of retcons to the story (seemingly as a result of Scott gutting the original twist/meaning of the game with the locked box)

[arctic junco]

The locked box contained Scott's dignity
Which is why it's empty

[tulip skiff]

the locked box contains the puzzle piece that makes fnaf lore make sense

it got lost somewhere in fnaf world

[pastel oasis]

Snd based on the statements Scott made about it in interviews, I think it was to some extent meant to symbolize the original story, and him leaving it locked was a sort of way of continuing the story in a different direction

[knotty shoal]

Honestly after looking at the blurred name very carefully I think it actually says "AUTUMN."

So I guess Sunny was originally going to be named Autumn

[pastel oasis]

That’s actually interesting

I’m also pretty sure that the 2019 demo didn’t contain an assigned name to sunny

[arctic junco]

Thank God Omocat doesn't call him that

[pastel oasis]

So I think the official name might’ve been a really late addition

[knotty shoal]

Or else Nui would have resorted to Aki

[tulip skiff]

sunnys name is indeed a last minute thing

he went by PLAYER (or omori) during basically the entierty of development

omocat was prob just writing some dialogue like "the sun shined brighter when she was here" and went

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[pastel oasis]

I wonder how the fanbase would’ve gone about naming him
“Hikiki,” like hero’s beta name?

[tulip skiff]

wasnt it hiki and k

or some stupid shit like that

[pastel oasis]

Kel was K

[tulip skiff]

i mean he would prob just be refered to as omori

[knotty shoal]

Or maybe she used "Sunny" as a nickname for "Sunflower"

[pastel oasis]

Names for the main cast were finalized by the 2014 trailer tho

Omocat even referred to flower boy as basil a bit before that

[tulip skiff]

well yeah but by that point sunny was still omori

sunny was named omori for a while

[pastel oasis]

Yeah

[pastel oasis]

Now that I realize the boys in omoriboy were called other parts of hikikomori
Aubergine was eggplant
And flower. Peak name

Omocat with names man

[arctic junco]

The OG Omoriboy is my personal ST: TOS

Everything changed when Omori (TNG) came to be, grrrrrrrrrr

[tulip skiff]

omocat naming uni tako meido and inko then running out of steam and just going "oh hiki, k, and omori!"

kimberly vance type shit

[knotty shoal]

I swear Sunflower fans are gonna have a field day with this one

Especially now that it's pride month

[tulip skiff]

...wait its june

[arctic junco]

Not when nobody has physical volume 2 copies

[tulip skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/nepunator-cat-painting-paint-brush-gif-11425282963700858116

i literally just realized may ended

[pastel oasis]

Also “tako-Chan”
There is a reason why so many people just treat her and Abbi as the same
So we have the better name

[torpid acorn]

Oh man where did you get this?

[knotty shoal]

https://github.com/luluwaffless/omori-media-files/blob/main/images/pictures/Albums/Faraway/faraway_pg1.png

It also confirms some ideas we've had for a while

Like Basil wanting to take a photography career for example

Or Sunny still making mistakes on the violin (which Basil wasn't entirely honest about in the final game where he said both he and Mari were still working out some things, though those things could have been anything, really)

[knotty shoal]

Also the Albums folder also has the captions for the Truth as well (though they're white so you'll have to download them in order to actually see them): https://github.com/luluwaffless/omori-media-files/tree/main/images/pictures/Albums/Black Space

[torpid acorn]

Cool

[torpid acorn]

Sunny fumbled hard in violin

He only practiced for a month and he just started to play violin for a year

[knotty shoal]

And if Mari was struggling too, then why is that part only included in the final game where Basil isn't completely honest about Sunny's struggles

And not the scrapped captions where he is actually telling the full story

Almost sounds as if Mari actually did perform a literal perfect job at the duet

[arctic junco]

Were you in the room when the Omocat team's discussing what to cut out from the game?

[knotty shoal]

No I just found these Faraway captions off of github's game file dump

And the truth captions

[arctic junco]

Precisely. We may not know for sure some decisions made; we can only speculate, really

Maybe the captions in the Truth photos got cut out because they're bloat
Maybe they got cut cuz the staff wanted to focus on the emotional storytelling via having only photos present

We don't know

[knotty shoal]

Honestly would have been better if they at least had transcribed the captions via dialogue box

Like how they did with the Faraway album

[torpid acorn]

I think it's better to let us make an assumption for those truth photos

It's also the reason why so many people wonder why Basil taking photos of Mari death

[knotty shoal]

Which literally does not help in terms of trying to make sure people don't go game theory mode on a game that was purely meant to be understood at face-value.

[knotty shoal]

I sometimes think that this alone is the reason MatPat even did a couple gt live videos on Omori in the first place

[torpid acorn]

Honestly to say it's not really fit to put a fully description in those photos during the truth reveal because all those time before that we are alone, wandering around into nothing. Like the game itself tells u to figure by yourself

Sure it does make a lot confusing for a lot of people, but it makes the game more interesting by letting us imagine things

[knotty shoal]

Maybe a dialogue box (like they did with the Faraway album) would have been better for the captions instead of straight up handwritten on the pages

[torpid acorn]

But for who?

Stranger cannot be in that place

Nor any of the headspace/blackspace NPC character

[knotty shoal]

I mean like this

But truth album instead

[torpid acorn]

Nah it doesnt fit either way

[knotty shoal]

Unless the dialogue box only appeared after Sunny collects the last photo

Which is when he looks through the truth photos one last time in proper order before looking at the photo of something

[torpid acorn]

Maybe Omocat intended to hide those away to make everyone debate about this topic

Content farming

[knotty shoal]

Yep just as I thought

[torpid acorn]

Business marketing strategy ahh

[knotty shoal]

She's a greedy f

Maybe not a pdf in my eyes but definitely greedy

[torpid acorn]

Oh well

At least the game is cheap

[knotty shoal]

I'm absolutely convinced that is part of the reason why the manga exists

She's been waiting for just the right opportunity to reveal everything to us all

[torpid acorn]

And the manga also fumbled

Bro they revealed hell mari literally the first chapter of it

[knotty shoal]

And indirectly revealed in the volume 2 trailer that Aubrey's parents are in fact abusive

Or at the very least negligent

They also confirmed in chapter 8 that spending more time with Mari was the sole reason his friends got him the violin

[knotty shoal]

volume 2 trailer here in case you can't find it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVUilGwGWNA

[knotty shoal]

They also revealed in chapter 8 (through visuals) that Headspace already existed before the accident happened.

[torpid acorn]

Wait wdym abt spending more time with Mari is the reason his friend gave Sunny a violin?

[torpid acorn]

this is also true before the manga by theory

[arctic junco]

Not really?

[arctic junco]

You'd have to be an unserious person to genuinely believe that

[torpid acorn]

[torpid acorn]

Bro I thought the reason Sunny was gifted the violin because he used to play a toy violin but it was too small but he loved it so they gave it a new one

And when he got a brand new violin, he wished Mari to play piano with him

Im sure that I read this somewhere but I cant recall it now for a moment

[torpid acorn]

This is my assumption tho

[knotty shoal]

Either the community already figured out Sunny used the violin as means of spending time with Mari

Or Omocat is actually relying on fanmade assumptions now

[torpid acorn]

Maybe

Damn we need an evidence

[arctic junco]

I'm not saying that it isn't.

[torpid acorn]

[rocky galleon]

This could fit into the true reason as he could’ve tried playing it to see if it fit so he could play w Mari

[arctic junco]

No wonder media tends to spoon-feed audiences lately

[knotty shoal]

Just like MOB Games seemingly reusing the "Elliot Ludwig is Experiment 1006 The Prototype" theory in chapter 4 of Poppy Playtime

Especially when combined with the fact that the Poppy doll that accompanied us the whole game was literally Elliot's "deceased" daughter preserved in a plastic doll (which was outright confirmed in a VHS tape) and that 1006 in the ending spoke to Poppy like a father.

[torpid acorn]

He already got fundamental violin skill when he got the new one so I guess he begged Mari to play with him

[rocky galleon]

The toy violin shows that he had some interests when he was younger that could’ve also been from a desire to spend more time w Mari

[arctic junco]

What do all of these words even mean

[torpid acorn]

Nah I think that was more like a personal interest not spending more time with Mari

[rocky galleon]

It’s def possible

[arctic junco]

Also, it's doubtful Omocat would even go that mile. Omori is not that kind of series

[torpid acorn]

Very unlikely, two of it are huge different instrument

[rocky galleon]

No like I’m saying what you said is def possible

[torpid acorn]

Ah

[knotty shoal]

Maybe Nui would since she was literally just an obscure Omori fan who happens to be a newbie to the actual manga industry

Who would have also went along with the fandom's view

[rocky galleon]

Accompanied is following along or being there combined is putting two things together preserved is to keep in a state where it’s functional

[torpid acorn]

What the sigma?

[knotty shoal]

Oh yeah Nui's also a Gundam fan

[arctic junco]

I'll take the gloves off
Not everyone knows what a Poppy Playtime even is

[torpid acorn]

Like me!

[arctic junco]

So using it as an example feels rather bizarre

[arctic junco]

Which Gundam?

[knotty shoal]

Mobile Suit Gundam

[torpid acorn]

Honestly I will find this evidence from the game

[arctic junco]

The original '79? Because Gundam has many shows

[knotty shoal]

Specifically Mobile Suit Gundam GQuuuuuuX

[arctic junco]

I mean
That's the latest one, who wouldn't be a fan of it today lol

[rocky galleon]

Hero caught sunny playing his toy violin and that brought up the idea for the gift

[knotty shoal]

First of all, Kel was the one who caught him playing it, and secondly it was Basil who brought up the idea of buying the violin

[pastel oasis]

Manga should’ve given Sunny the name Autumn and never elaborated

[knotty shoal]

True

Sunny is just the placeholder name for the player in the game after all

And a last minute one

[rocky galleon]

Minor mistake

But good catch

[knotty shoal]

I'm actually completely surprised no one pointed out how Hero slightly stuck his tongue out while making that kind of facial expression in the first color page of chapter 10

Kinda like that chica gif

[arctic junco]

That's less sticking his tongue out
More so that's his open mouth

[knotty shoal]

Forgot to resize for better clarity but yeah look more closely

[inland laurel]

i think thats one of the reasons

from what i rember

it was mostly cus bro was like mannn!! i wanna spend more time with his sister

and he did get to spend more time with her!!

but at what cost🥀

[arctic junco]

I don't know how else to say this, but
You're reaching

[knotty shoal]

The pink part is more triangular

And cuts through the black part cleanly

The black part is more straight

[inland laurel]

i think nui just didnt cook w this one

[arctic junco]

Dawg, it's clearly emulating this.

[knotty shoal]

I know

[arctic junco]

Sure, there's no teeth, but anybody with eyes can see what it's clearly harkening back to.

[knotty shoal]

But Nui apparantly wanted to make it more... zesty

[arctic junco]

No?

Are you guys all that apprehensive of Nui since day one or smth?

[inland laurel]

its funny bro drew him better at the end of chapter 9😭

[knotty shoal]

Oh yeah and it wasn't just hero who licked his tongue

[arctic junco]

That's not a tongue lick, that's an open mouth, what

[inland laurel]

OH HEY THIS REMINDS ME kel also jumped into the lake to get basil

[arctic junco]

😭

[inland laurel]

that was nice

[knotty shoal]

Oh wait kel was probably just doing cpr and not a cactiflower thing so that might be it

Dunno why he'd still have his tongue stick out tho

[arctic junco]

🦒

[inland laurel]

wowza

thats

a theory

[arctic junco]

It's not even a theory, it's just silly.

[inland laurel]

yeah😭

[inland laurel]

happy pride month ig

[knotty shoal]

dang it I forgot to remove that image that pic was meant for the hero tongue argument

[knotty shoal]

But yeah happy pride month

[knotty shoal]

That pic of that blue guy was NOT meant to be political whatsoever so I'm sorry if I offended you

[inland laurel]

i barely got 2 see the picture but its fine man 😭😭no worries

[knotty shoal]

Oh thank god

[pastel oasis]

Hero has a tongue?

[knotty shoal]

Licking his lips like that one Chica gif

[pastel oasis]

This is the only tongue in MY Fnaf https://preview.redd.it/mcm1t1lyhce91.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=19ed18f072be6e4f85aefa61eb39e7fa4fe63274

(Also idk what gif ur talkin bout)

[inland laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/chica-chica-rizz-fnaf-fnaf-memes-fnf-gif-10558488349989271540

its peak

[pastel oasis]

Ok

[pastel oasis]

It’s not unused nightmare foxy tongue so no

[knotty shoal]

r/beatmetoit

[inland laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/alpha-wolf-sigma-male-gif-26562640

u wouldnt get it

[knotty shoal]

This too

[torpid acorn]

Was this mentioned in the game?

[rocky galleon]

It was actually kel who caught him and basil who had the idea but yes

It was mentioned in memory lane

[torpid acorn]

[rocky galleon]

I believe the Christmas memory

[torpid acorn]

Thanks for remind me

Now i remember, yes it was from the chrisrmas day

[inland laurel]

MERRY CRISIS

[torpid acorn]

Shut up kel

🥀

[inland laurel]

[knotty shoal]

AND A HAPPY TRUTH YEAR TO ALL

[torpid acorn]

Bro fumbled twice

I see it all

[knotty shoal]

Ok imma head out goodnight

[arctic junco]

Blud really thought he could spin a typo into what it isn't. 😭

[rigid token]

As a cactiflower shipper this is the best part of the chapter for me and I regret nothing in purchasing the manga physical so far.

Kel in that manga is so good

evne if sometimes it's because he's surrounded by very weird people

[heady nova]

what is cactiflower

[hazy ocean]

Kel X Basil

[sullen olive]

https://x.com/nui_purple/status/1929479681855615120?t=q5fwcF6c-byamLjnYAwcvw&s=19

此糸縫 (@nui_purple)

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X · Jun 2, 2025, 10:06 AM

(Its not fanart if its the manga creator, right?)

[compact peak]

When there are a ton of chats in a day it's really hard to read so I end up skipping lol
I skipped a few, but I think the idea that there's some hidden meaning to the 4-panel comics is wrong.

[violet aurora]

Why the fuck is this fucking here

[nimble moss]

Kim WOULD wear a suit and pull it off, for sure.

[inland laurel]

AYYYY thrive thrive

my fav aint cactiflower but i love that one also

peak🔥🔥

[inland laurel]

as a keler, BLESS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

if they wouldve messed up kel too i woulda gone insane🥀

[inland laurel]

im gonna kiss sweetheart and spaceboy at the same time

[violet aurora]

Dude when I first saw Kim on chapter three I was like "why does she look like a substitute teacher that secretly has an onlyfans"

Changed my mind by chapter nine

[inland laurel]

thats super specific

[violet aurora]

Nui artstyle moment

[pastel oasis]

Finally
Nui does good art

[arctic junco]

If they, themselves, are calling it fanart
Then it's fanart

[inland laurel]

i consider the entire manga fanart except for some parts i like anyways

[violet river]

based

who is the arbiter of canonicity? I of course

[west knot]

butch Kim, Nui truly understood the assignment here

[torpid acorn]

I consider every something figures drawn are canon

especially the spider one

[violet aurora]

The spider one keeps reminding me how chapter seven absolutely sucks

[inland laurel]

all i remember is that the horror drawings are cool as flip

[torpid acorn]

the entire chapter suck ball except the spider

absolute ridiculous

[inland laurel]

what was chapter 7 about again

holup

[torpid acorn]

sweetheart

[violet aurora]

Sweetheart

World's End Valentine

[inland laurel]

OH

[violet aurora]

The Sprout Moles are british💔

[inland laurel]

sweetheart lasted like 3 seconds

her castle is like the longest part of the game 😭🙏

[torpid acorn]

and there is no Sir Maximusus

[violet aurora]

Am I the only one that actually enjoyed the Castle

[torpid acorn]

it is the longest part of it

[torpid acorn]

me except the garden

I really like the castle theme

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1024359672305684551/1378067794951671851/8BitRay_-_1928444638353846285_-_GIF_1.gif

[violet aurora]

Ah yes I do love all the versions of "x Rose"

[torpid acorn]

but sadly I dont like sir Maximus fight, I was underlevel and those fight were atrocious

[inland laurel]

shes pretty tho I'll give em that teehee

[violet aurora]

What page does that appear

[inland laurel]

it feels like it is

[violet aurora]

Why did I like

Never see that

Also slowmode just randomly appeared

[inland laurel]

thats when aubrey goes STOP!! YOU CANT MARRY YOURSELF !!!!!!

[torpid acorn]

Sweetheart and Spaceboy look good, but the castle has so less panel appear in the chapter

[inland laurel]

YEAH :(

they look good at least 😭

[torpid acorn]

the kissing panel

literally fan service

[inland laurel]

I DID TOO

[torpid acorn]

[inland laurel]

but it is hella long as someone that's replayed this game

so many TIMES

[violet aurora]

The only area I just don't like though

[inland laurel]

its ok its censored 🙏

[violet aurora]

Is Underwater Highway

[torpid acorn]

if you know how to skip the garden by using the tag glitch or whatever its called then it would be much faster

[violet aurora]

Ost 107 is the ONLY thing that redeems it

[inland laurel]

i getchu me neither but i like the jawsum segment

[violet aurora]

I don't even like fighting there

[torpid acorn]

agree again

[inland laurel]

i mean i liked underwater highway its just EHHH when i replay

[violet river]

how did you like it 😭

[inland laurel]

i like that kel is gambling and that he makes you get stuck between the stairs and 3 alligators trynna kill you because he really needs to go to the bathroom

kel my GOAT

[violet aurora]

Deeper Well is literally better than the highway

[torpid acorn]

fuck humphrey

[violet aurora]

Even though you just walk through it

[violet river]

it either has 0 content, or is just shit

[inland laurel]

the first time i played it it was alright idk

[violet river]

real

[inland laurel]

KEL IS GAMBLING THATS THE CONTENT I LIVE FOR

[violet river]

That's LAst Resort

not Underwater Highway

[torpid acorn]

I honestly enjoyed deeper well way more than humphrey

[violet aurora]

On my first playthrough I spent an hour trying my luck

[torpid acorn]

[violet aurora]

I was NOT lucky

[violet river]

underwater highway is that stupid line area with the tolls

it has 0 content, and the content it has is skippable (which is the more enjoyable version)

[inland laurel]

yeah ik, thats why i said i liked the jawsum segment specifically and didnt care for underwater highway

[violet aurora]

Yeah because Deeper Well is the point of no return, the truth starts to reveal more and by that point the group forgets about Basil.

[torpid acorn]

more like a farming clams place

[violet aurora]

Just a guess but I think Deeper Well will be skipped in the manga

They already forgot about Basil💔

[torpid acorn]

wait I thought it's the area to go to the abyss

[violet river]

Deeper Wells -> Abyss -> Blackspace would have been so goated

[violet aurora]

It's past the highway

[inland laurel]

the only content in it is

[torpid acorn]

wat was it called again?

[inland laurel]

snaley

[violet river]

that stupid whale ruins it

[inland laurel]

snaley wasnt even part of the og game LMAO

[violet river]

and Snaley SUCKED

[torpid acorn]

fuck snarley

annoying pieces of shit

[violet river]

replacing Humphrey with Abyss is the goated idea

I do hate hikkikomori and so like removing content from it, it can get Humphrey though, my treat

[torpid acorn]

just nuke humphrey

🥀

[violet aurora]

Omocat bring back the dynamite skip

[torpid acorn]

I like the dynamite puzzle

[violet aurora]

No I mean

[torpid acorn]

cuz we can easily skip it

[violet aurora]

Skip Humphrey by exploding him

[topaz hill]

That's possible?

[torpid acorn]

then you wont kill the slime girls and humphrey for the something something books

[violet aurora]

It was a consideration because even Omocat herself hated Humphrey

Didn't make it to the final game though

[topaz hill]

oh

[inland laurel]

man!!

[torpid acorn]

her dev team barely spent time to improve humphrey

LIKE RARELY TOUCHED

[violet aurora]

Nui don't make the Humphrey chapter sixty pages long I'm begging you

[topaz hill]

Hey Kel

[torpid acorn]

unless NUI changes the entirely of humphrey

then I would want to see it

BUT WAIT

I want NUI to replace humphrey with snowglobe mountain

that will be a better idea

[inland laurel]

isnt snowglobe mountain a hikki thing?

BUT HONESTLY

it would be a cool addition ngl

[inland laurel]

HIIII HI TY36 HIII

[torpid acorn]

yes but it's more fitting for the story telling in the manga

[violet aurora]

Cold

Like ice

[torpid acorn]

and we beat Ex Husband again

[violet aurora]

Honestly that would be cool

[torpid acorn]

YEA!

[violet aurora]

But we're at the point of no return we already are underwater

[torpid acorn]

just imagine after we beat Space husband, a random cave appear that send him to a memory lane or something reminds him of the christmas day

[inland laurel]

if they make humphrey's segment longer than sweetheart's I'll Cry

[violet aurora]

Christmas day Memory Lane segment is already done

It's literally the FIRST thing

[torpid acorn]

before that

like

hmmmm

[inland laurel]

that was my favorite part of memory lane and i loved how it was shown by the end :(

[torpid acorn]

idk

[violet aurora]

For future scale Chapter seven is fifty-eight pages long

[inland laurel]

so many things in the timeline were changed?? and idk why???? they worked perfectly fine ss they were in the game

kinda ruins the entire story

[torpid acorn]

literally the sweetest memory in all

[inland laurel]

why are we meeting the rw people first ?????

[violet aurora]

Honestly mine was the Sunflower segment (I'm calling it sunflower because that's the Home For Flowers track not the ship)

[torpid acorn]

what does RW mean?

[violet aurora]

Like at that point you just see how happy they were

Then Sunny gets gifted a violin

And Mari DIES

[inland laurel]

isnt the point getting to meet sunnys "fake" childhood friends so we can get somewhat attached to them first then realize it isnt how we thought it was?? 😭

which also made the part where sunny has to choose between opening the door or not more impactful

in case someone decided to hikki it out for whatever reason💀

i mean first. i have hikki'd it out 🔥

[torpid acorn]

[inland laurel]

real world teehee

[torpid acorn]

ah

[inland laurel]

forgot ppl call it FW instead

[violet aurora]

fat

Far - Away - Town

[inland laurel]

thanks bro

oh😭

[violet aurora]

Apparently it's an actual acronym

[torpid acorn]

honestly for the game progression it's better to be that way. For a novel/manga it can be approach differently

[torpid acorn]

so we just say sunny meet FAT friends?

[violet aurora]

Well

(Deep Well and Deeper Well reference)

[torpid acorn]

[violet aurora]

Dude you know what I'll admit

I had this mandela effect happen to me

I thought Dear Little Brother played during the Pier Sequence with Mari

But apparently it's Place By A Lake

[inland laurel]

i love FAT

[violet aurora]

I could have sworn though when Mari turned to her spirit version Dear Little Brother played

But apparently it's always just been Place By A Lake

[torpid acorn]

you can be right tho, if we speed it up the audio we might hear some Dear Little Brother motif

[inland laurel]

ehh i just dont like it at all. for me it wouldve worked perfectly fine if they showed us HS first, then FW like it is in the game. HS doesnt have to be that long anyways

[torpid acorn]

yeah it just NUI fucked it up at the start sadly

we live in the world

[violet aurora]

Actually, Headspace NEEDS to be long

It's quite literally what it tries to be

[inland laurel]

i mean yeah, but im just sayin it doesnt have to have the same length as in the game