omori-manga-📖

[inland laurel]

im talkin about the base game there so yeah i agree 😭

[violet river]

I think adult and child character not beign differentiated enough in the manga is a fairer criticism

[serene juniper]

I'm not as crazy as you'd think

[inland laurel]

yea tbh

[serene juniper]

I'm also just not big on the art style in general
never was a fan of how nui draws characters

[inland laurel]

the manga SHOULD portray their ages better

[violet river]

Yes, there is a reason that certian people complain about anime characters looking like children, but I think Yoko made a fair point that in the manga child and adult characters that look very similiar (more so in initial chapters than now) which is a fair criticism as in Japan, there is clearly a distinction between the two in most artstyles

[serene juniper]

she can cook on backgrounds though

[violet river]

yeah but that's subjective

[inland laurel]

AND horror

[violet river]

hard to make a real argument out of it

[inland laurel]

she rly goes crazy on the horror

[compact peak]

Maybe I missed the adults in the manga.

[serene juniper]

the human characters still don't look too great in those cases

that towering something is great though

[violet river]

Polly is supposed to be 23 for example

[inland laurel]

maybe the adults in the manga were the friends we made along the way

[violet river]

like, 7 years older than Kel

she doesn't look that much older

[hazy ocean]

I like the artstyle, i just wish the FW cast looked older.

[inland laurel]

she looks his age

[compact peak]

Does 23 seem old?

[hazy ocean]

Kel is just really tall tho

[inland laurel]

the only characters that do look their age are kels parents

[serene juniper]

Polly, Miss Candice, Sweetheart, and Captain Spaceboy are the main ones
Hero as well but they tend to do faraway hero decently enough

. wow there aren't that many adults shown in the manga huh

[violet river]

older doesn't mean elderly, 23 year olds look different than 16 year olds

[inland laurel]

if we're gonna base ages on how tall people are then it definitely is a fault on the artist

[hazy ocean]

I dont mind Polly since I think she looks her age next to character like Basil, Kel or Hero

[serene juniper]

next to kel or hero?

[violet river]

I think she looks Kel's age

[arctic junco]

Polly is 23?

[hazy ocean]

My problem is just the FW cast looks not that much older than the HS cast

[violet river]

somewhere around there

[serene juniper]

I don't think she's given an explicit age but she's in the 20-30 range according to concept art

[inland laurel]

im no artist BUT☝️i think most of the issue goes onto the eyes and the proportiona of the face. i mean obviously at least lol

[serene juniper]

take it with a grain of salt though because she's in the same range as curtsey according to that and she's like an ant

[hazy ocean]

I think she is young enough were it really doesnt bother me at all

[serene juniper]

yes

[compact peak]

Well, I'm trying to understand but...

[inland laurel]

the eyes are way too big, the factions are too close to each other

REMINDS ME OF THAT KOMI CANT COMMUNICATE CASE

[hazy ocean]

But that's just the artstyle, not really the designs themselve

[inland laurel]

well tbf, i am also complaining about the artstyle

[serene juniper]

I tried to send an example outside of omori manga but

[violet river]

think about how in let's say Chainsaw Man, child, adult, and teen characters are clearly differentiated, we are complaining that this isn't as much the case here

[hazy ocean]

Oh ok

[inland laurel]

even then the artstyle does not protect the fact they look 12 from criticism

[serene juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ted-gif-4226523

[hazy ocean]

I really like artstyle so i dont mind

[compact peak]

Maybe I lack the ability to judge someone's age by appearance.

[arctic junco]

Blud, at least grab an example from, I dunno
Clannad or smth?? 😭

[hazy ocean]

My problem is that the characters doesnt look much older than their younger self, i dont mind the adult characters and all.

[brittle lintel]

Artstyle has its highlights but it’s mostly lowlights

The story is omori tho few complaints there

[serene juniper]

now, in her defense

[arctic junco]

Using shounen shows is a bit cheating

[serene juniper]

this is what she's working with

[hazy ocean]

CSM artstyle is WAY more detailled and "realistic"

[inland laurel]

I have so much to say about the story but im becoming such a hater teehee

[brittle lintel]

being a hater is so natural tho

[inland laurel]

i am a ray of light and the best person you will ever meet TRUUUST ME

[inland laurel]

im just KIIIND of a hater

[violet river]

I am trying to give some examples to Dran that hit closer to home

[brittle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[inland laurel]

she looks her age here

[violet river]

it is true, but regardless of artstyle, those difference must be visible

[brittle lintel]

ITS HUMAN NATURE

[inland laurel]

i wanna marry Polly

[brittle lintel]

kidding u seem cool

[hazy ocean]

Same

[brittle lintel]

Passionate about all the things

[compact peak]

Can you accurately guess the age of a Chainsaw Man character just by looking at their appearance? ... I think it's a bit difficult for me. If it's presented in the story and setting, I interpret it as it is.

[serene juniper]

everyone wants to marry polly

unfathomably hard design in omori of all things

[inland laurel]

man i just love omori a VERY NORMAL amount

[violet river]

I can say who is around older than whom

[inland laurel]

which makes me hate yhe manga more now that i think abt it

[serene juniper]

worst advertisement ever!

[hazy ocean]

I guess ?

[compact peak]

If you're asking whether or not there is an age difference, then yes, I can understand what you've said so far. Thank you.

[inland laurel]

i mean ofc not. anime characters do tend to look younger anyways, but in the case of the manga its just. ridiculous 💀

sunny is my BIGGEST issue

[brittle lintel]

You

[hazy ocean]

Oh ok i get it now

Yeah I understand what you guys mean

[violet river]

Another example for you, even in Lucky Star where everyone is ridiculously stylised, I can recognise that the teacher is a bit older

[serene juniper]

I think you gotta look at their other work to really understand it

nui is genuinely incapable of drawing an older-looking character

[violet river]

even if they look 12, I can recognise they are older than the kids they are teaching

[serene juniper]

it is just not a skill they possess

[nimble moss]

They had no business making her this hot and beautiful, yet they did.

[inland laurel]

i would at least love if you could tell theyre years older 😭and if the faces had actual changes instead of "oh now theyre taller which means theyre older"

[inland laurel]

we all agree Nui is the problem right chat

[violet river]

honestly I might have lied

but I never liked Lucky Star anyway

[serene juniper]

guess the character

[inland laurel]

HEHEHAHAHA

[violet river]

aubrey, mari

[hazy ocean]

All of that for her to have 2 minutes of screentime

[nimble moss]

She deserves this amount × 20 and more.

[inland laurel]

shed have more screentime as my wife

[arctic junco]

Nui better draw her crying like hell when she gets to the neutral endi-
What do you mean they're going full-steam on the true end, it's NOT FAIR

[nimble moss]

Back off, I saw her first.

[inland laurel]

UHH NUH UH

NUH UH!!!!

i am an OG😈😈

[serene juniper]

this is how I feel about sweetheart

[compact peak]

I think it's often the case that we infer ages from the setting rather than appearance.
Even if we don't know Polly's age, we can assume that she's at least old enough to have graduated from college, since she's the nurse who takes care of Basil.
As for the point about the differences in depictions, I can accept that if it's as you can see, then it's true.

[serene juniper]

I don't care if she got half of headspace

[inland laurel]

i mean listen

yeah you can assume character's older

[violet aurora]

Girl is maxing out her Kel gallery

[inland laurel]

but the criticism will still be there, because it wont be liked that they still look the same age as they are in headspace

[compact peak]

My take on it is that appearance isn't the only important thing.
It might look silly, but I don't mind if the art style isn't distinctive.

[inland laurel]

again, the biggest issue with this syndrome is sunny

he looks like a child and is crazy infantilized

[hazy ocean]

The Omori/Sunny difference is where i agree

[inland laurel]

OVER 1K BABY

[violet aurora]

Send Kels

[inland laurel]

I have soooo many kels

[hazy ocean]

I dont mind the artstyle and all, but the characters look too much like their younger selves

[inland laurel]

WELL I'VE BEEN HATING FOR A LONGGG TIME

i'll send manga kels i love

LOOK AT MY GOAT

[hazy ocean]

Spaceboy is cute

[violet aurora]

Recently they look kinda older but man it's like only one year was added

[inland laurel]

i'll marry spaceboy also

[violet aurora]

So their ages look like [x / 2 + 1]

[inland laurel]

my biggest wife is hero🙏even if he will marry me for the sake of moving on but in reality he will never let go of mari so it will forever be a loveless marriage in which i will be trapped and die lonely

but its OKAY☝️

he can cook

[inland laurel]

whar🔥🔥

[compact peak]

Omori was created by Sunny based on the image of his sin from four years ago.
Considering how much he's grown in those four years, it probably would have been better to exaggerate the age difference a bit more.I see.

[inland laurel]

yeppers!!!!

[nimble moss]

He reminds me of a SpongeBob character here lmao.

[inland laurel]

BROTHERS

ew

Get tf OUT

GET OUT

OUT

DO NOT TYPE

EVER AGAIN

[compact peak]

I know it's hard to convince everyone, but can I still defend her?
I wonder how much hikikomori Sunny has grown physically in those four years? Besides his height. I don't think his face has changed much.

[nimble moss]

"Her"?

[violet aurora]

What

[inland laurel]

no wait type now i look like im having an episode

[violet aurora]

Who

[pastel oasis]

Fair
Tho the og game did have an quite distinctive artstyle

[inland laurel]

Parasite

[violet aurora]

Realistically Sunny should look like

So old

Well probably not wrinkly type of old because he sleeps like twelve hours a day

[arctic junco]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

Omori to Sunny transition

[violet aurora]

But still

Old

[compact peak]

Maybe it was because of the automatic translation, but I didn't notice that sunny was called her. I'll fix that.

[violet aurora]

Bro is MALNOURISHED, STRESSED, DEPRESSED, STINKY AS FUCK, ET CETERA

[arctic junco]

Are you describing Sunny or an average Reddit mod?

[violet aurora]

Apparently

Sunny is a reddit mod

[compact peak]

I'd love to hear more of everyone's opinions, but it's almost midnight so I have to go to bed.
Thank you to everyone who spoke. Goodnight.

[hazy ocean]

I mean yeah, realistically, he would be really ugly. But Omori is a work of fiction, he would have a lot less fans if he was ugly.

[arctic junco]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-so-true-true-trump-gif-13432126312443504841

[violet aurora]

This

[hazy ocean]

That's why he is cute despite his shitty life hygiene

Same for Basil tbh, that guy's fandom is heavily carried by his design.

[arctic junco]

And his mental illness.

[hazy ocean]

It only adds to his popularity because he is cute

[violet aurora]

"Looks don't matter"

That mf:

[pastel oasis]

Omoriboy

[hazy ocean]

If you want your character to do a bad action and not immediatly get disliked, you are basically obligated to make them either cute or attractive.

[nimble moss]

Man, guess I'm doomed, then.

[hazy ocean]

Like, imagine the omori cast, but ugly

[hazy ocean]

I understand your pain

Thats why there isnt a game about me yet

[violet aurora]

Same

Not even a manga or comic

We're only gonna be getting novels

[inland laurel]

sunny my goat

[nimble moss]

I'd still understand him.

[violet aurora]

Well majority wouldn't and Omocat LLC won't have money SO FUCK NO MAKE HIM CUTE

I will say though

He's pretty cute

Basil my fluffy

[arctic junco]

Including Omocat??

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-patrick-star-run-gif-1257455696317906149

[winter mantle]

I would have written even more, but alas, the poor moderators cried

[serene juniper]

which is why it was changed 7 times

factory made rpgmaker golden boy

[hazy ocean]

Real

[hazy ocean]

Moe-blob yaoi-bait

[winter mantle]

They're all some kind of moe

[hazy ocean]

Basil way more than the others

[pastel oasis]

Rowen died for this

[hazy ocean]

Rowan would have been worse I think

Yaoi-bait moe blob but edgy

[pastel oasis]

And Flower likes flowers

[hazy ocean]

Flower probably would have been very similar to Basil

[pastel oasis]

Not too sure if rowen would’ve been yaoi bait
Since the idea to change basil seems to have been inspired by portrait of Dorian grey

[hazy ocean]

Idk, Rowen really seemed to be the Shadow/Sasuke type of character that is really popular in fandoms yaois

The edgy guy with a lot of angst but is deeply caring inside.

[bold iris]

rowen mention at what cost

[pastel oasis]

All cost

[compact peak]

Didn't they all six actually have good looks?

[hazy ocean]

All the characters main characters are supposed to be either cute, attractive or both yes.

[compact peak]

Hmm... What I wanted to say is not who we perceive them to be.
I meant who they are in their world.
Just like Sunny saw HERO and Kel's family photo and thought they looked good, I wanted to say that in their world people might perceive the six of them as having good-looking faces.

[violet river]

eh

Sunny is like basic as it gets

Kel is never describbed as good looking or cute or something I do not believe

[hazy ocean]

Im not talking in universe

Hero is the only character that we know is canonically attractive

But they were designed to either look good or cute to the player.

[compact peak]

Okay... maybe I misread the discussion. Sorry.

[hazy ocean]

Its okay, i wasn’t very clear either.

[compact peak]

In fact, I think it's better to have an attractive character design from the player's perspective than an unattractive one, but is this an unpopular opinion?

MF I said yesterday that looks aren't the only thing that matters, but it still doesn't hurt if it looks good.
I know there's a lot of criticism though, because manga is designed for the Japanese market (or because of the overseas gaze towards the artists themselves).

[inland laurel]

who said that?

[inland laurel]

sunny said they were all a good-looking family after looking at the family portrait I BELIEVE 🙏🙏

the genes are IMMACULATE

on everyones soul i will marry hero omori AND holly omori

[violet river]

I... do not think it meant that...

[hazy ocean]

Thats what i said yes. Characters like Basil would be a lot less popular if he was not cute.

[violet river]

And Aubrey or at least young Aubrey is canonically cute

[violet river]

yeah of course

[compact peak]

I'm sure no one said that, but that's just what I thought. I wonder why.

[violet river]

it makes it more marketable

[hazy ocean]

Exactly

[inland laurel]

what did you think it was?

tbh i did think it was literally a good-looking family

ig its just up to interpretation? 😭

[compact peak]

I'm worried that this comment may sound rude, but I think it's the same as the question of whether to use a beautiful person or a not-so-beautiful person in a cosmetics commercial. What about in everyone's country?

[hazy ocean]

They all looked good as a family

[inland laurel]

huh

[hazy ocean]

Like "aww they look so happy together"

[inland laurel]

thats definitely a way to see it

[violet river]

as ProfChaos said, it was a good family, happy, united, whole

...

unlike what it became

[hazy ocean]

I mean yes ? No one said the characters being attractive are a bad thing. Its just funny that some characters popularity is heavily carried by it, and Sunny would reastically be pretty ugly.

[violet river]

I think that meaning is far more potent in context than "we looked attractive"

[inland laurel]

yk what imma just take it as both options and call it a day

[inland laurel]

maybe not ugly, just sick looking in those 3 days

[hazy ocean]

Sunny saw the old picture of this now broken family and immediatly thought "damn I was fine"

[inland laurel]

idk whos attractive and who isnt i genuinely never really thought of it 💀💀

[compact peak]

"would reastically be pretty ugly"？

Hmm, I don't know.

[hazy ocean]

"Ugly" might be a big word. But he isnt really shown taking care of himself unless encouraged by his mother.

[violet river]

not going outside, being malnourished, and not taking care of oneself usually doesn't make you very attractive

He would look like a husk

pale, thin, weak husk

[arctic junco]

What Sunny should have looked like if Omocat is not a COWARD

[topaz hill]

Who made this?

It's actually pretty good

[compact peak]

It's true that the look of a hikikomori in the real world may not be attractive to many people. (Sorry, I'm being biased.)

[hazy ocean]

Sadly, thats less marketable 😔

[compact peak]

I'm also worried about this comment. I'm not saying that hikikomori have to look bad. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

[hazy ocean]

Obviously not

That's kinda to be expected that people who dont take care of themselves will look less good that people who do.

Except if they have like, crazy genetics.

[arctic junco]

This user made the edit
https://xcancel.com/Umilini2/status/1554134186985914368

[inland laurel]

IS IT????

im p sure most people like animated characters that look messy

[hazy ocean]

"Some"

He would have his fan

But a lot of people would not forgive Sunny if he was ugly

[inland laurel]

nahhh i gotta disagree man

looooots of people fw messy characters

[arctic junco]

Sunny wouldn't be as massive as he is now
Or at least, he wouldn't be in the same spotlight that fans put him on.

[hazy ocean]

A lot is still not the average player

[inland laurel]

im sayin messy, not ugly. its true that pretty priviledge exists

but im talking about a character that looks unkept

not straight up "unattractive"

[hazy ocean]

I know

This appeal to a smaller demographic than the average player

He would have his fans

But less than he has right now

[inland laurel]

maybe you just havent seen the people ive seen cus im so sure a messy character is super ultra mega loved by LOTS of people

and when i say lots i dont mean "some", i mean almost majority

[violet river]

people would like Sunny just as much as a character

but it would be a less marketable plushie

[inland laurel]

THATS TRUE

[arctic junco]

It's a limited scope, but dawg, look at the vast majority of fanart of Omori
A lot of it has the gang being cute and cuddly. If you wanna be nice about it, they're mostly clean

If you don't, they're mostly sanitized

[inland laurel]

thats why people say thw simpler the better!!

im p sure thats the saying

[inland laurel]

yeah because

thats the canon sunny

[inland laurel]

im talking about a reality in which sunny looked like this

or messy in general

if sunny doesnt look like that in canon then yeah no people wont draw him as such that often lol😭

[topaz hill]

Thanks

[arctic junco]

I think you meant "If Sunny does"

[inland laurel]

huh??

[hazy ocean]

I wanted to use Spamton as an exemple but I dont think he just count as "unkempt"

[inland laurel]

nono i meant that if he doesn't look like THAT (unkept and messy), then people will not really draw him as such and keep the canon intact most of the time

[arctic junco]

I see.

What I was trying to say prior to that message was
If Sunny was an unkempt mofo, people wouldn't draw much fanart of him in general, really

[arctic junco]

It's basically this message but worded differently

[inland laurel]

i disagree but hey

different world views

it be like that ✌️

[hazy ocean]

It depends of the community, most of the Omori community will mostly search for cute stuff or fluff fanfictions.

[inland laurel]

[arctic junco]

The OMORI community wants what it wants
For better or worse

[compact peak]

I think that's right...for better or worse.

[serene juniper]

psychological horror game

[nimble moss]

I feel vaguely called out.

To what extent, I don't even know myself.

[inland laurel]

thats part's true 💀

i agree that sunny would be a little less popular if his design changed to be so messy n stuff, but a lot of people would still like it

but its so true they just want everytjing to be colorful and the way they want it to be all the time 😭

ive seen fans who cannot take a reality check on their faves because they dont like the idea of their pookie to have 1 flaw

horrible news 💔🥀

[serene juniper]

it'd be so over for the like 15 people I know obsessed with sunny

[compact peak]

psychological horror game

[serene juniper]

omori was a merch advertisement disguised as a game

[inland laurel]

I've been called so many names by basil fans only for mentioning a bad thing he did this one time

[inland laurel]

thats a long ahh ad

[compact peak]

And it worked. What's wrong?

[serene juniper]

I am simply immune to such propaganda. 🤑

[pastel oasis]

This is a loaded quote

[violet aurora]

Hey Saffron if Lucille is actually everywhere then make her appear in the manga

[serene juniper]

ok

[arctic junco]

Tbf, that IS his gimmick if he's used as the leader of the group

[arctic junco]

My blood boils seeing that ong /srs

[pastel oasis]

Also this can be marketed

[topaz hill]

Best marketing

[inland laurel]

absolutely nothing wrong

[pastel oasis]

Though I do think standard sunny design does work

[inland laurel]

frfr

the simpler the better chat

[pastel oasis]

As standard as it is, it also does kinda feel all empty

[topaz hill]

True

[pastel oasis]

Like he’s soulless (I think)

[topaz hill]

Yeah

[pastel oasis]

Adding more weight to the neutral expression switching to crying in the good ending

[compact peak]

When I read the opinions here, I often get the impression that there are people who genuinely despise the business side of things, or who write as if the will of the fandom has more power than the will of the content creators.
This may be due to machine translation.

[inland laurel]

nah i got nothing against marketing

they need money😭🙏

life

[pastel oasis]

I have heard conplaonts that some merch is overpriced

And the guide book and especially the art book are kinda useless

[compact peak]

Yes, you're right, they're not a charity.

[hazy ocean]

I mean, most of the stuff here is not to take seriously.

Like, I often joke about Basil only existing for being a cute yaoi-bait and to make money. But its not like I actually have a problem with that or anything.

[inland laurel]

tbh some of it does come off as hella overpriced 💀BUT most of it i think is fair priced

especially for official popular game merch

usually it costs way more for the sake of the brand

[compact peak]

So far, I've taken almost every text written here seriously.
As a non-native speaker, it's hard for me to really understand the nuances of jokes.
But for example... some people said that the English version of HERO's lines in this episode were terrible, but sometimes I feel that some of the comments on this channel are even worse.

[arctic junco]

It hurts me that there's way more fanart of Basil being cutesy patootey uwu than Basil being
Well
Basil

[pastel oasis]

Show us unstable basil or show us stairs

[serene juniper]

the game costs money

[arctic junco]

Honestly, with that type of stuff
It varies from person to person. No person's gonna be the same as another in the realm of opinions. This has been the case for fandoms since the 1960s (or maybe even before)

[serene juniper]

it's an odd case because technically the IP is "popular" but also omocat is an indie shop and she tends to kinda cheap out on some of her production

[inland laurel]

yeaaaaa

[serene juniper]

like it's more or less etsy type merch but on a bigger level

the exception is like those bags and watches because I think she collabed with a different company
and guess what was the most expensive merch line?

[inland laurel]

but if thet wanna make new merch n stuff they need more money and allat. and hey at the very least they cook with some merch so😭

instead of making the most boring designs and all

[serene juniper]

they need to make more sweetheart merch

even though 90% of the fandom hates sweetheart

[compact peak]

I seem to have forgotten that even though this is unofficial, it is the largest OMORI fandom community.
When over 10,000 people gather in one place, it's only natural that there will be all kinds of people.
However... it's only because of my lack of understanding and weakness that I often get hurt.

[inland laurel]

i think they need to start selling more designed stuff tho i need a kel's tanktop designed jacket 😡😡😡😡

[pastel oasis]

The Maverick plush

[inland laurel]

OR AUBREY'S JACKET LIKE THE OG SHE HAS

[pastel oasis]

Or at least the bread folks

[serene juniper]

I just don't really
care
for most of the merch

[inland laurel]

i do im.poor because of it

[serene juniper]

I have a mug and would've bought the hearts hoodie if it wasn't a crop hoodie

but that's it lol

[inland laurel]

that one store with the sweetheart body pillow they released that one time 💀💀💀💀

[inland laurel]

THEY DO.???

[serene juniper]

BRING IT BACK!

[hazy ocean]

I think some criticism of the mangas are a bit unwarranted. But also a lot of stuff here is really not to take seriously.

[inland laurel]

shes like the most iconic HS character what‼️‼️

[hazy ocean]

Do they ?

[serene juniper]

space boyfriend is far more liked

people are ruthless to sweetheart

[hazy ocean]

They should remake the official Sweetheart body pillows.

[serene juniper]

and of course they pale in comparison to the main 6

[compact peak]

Thank you for your consideration.
I may have expected too much from many people here who like manga. That was a big mistake.

[violet aurora]

Isn't it like they hate the Castle but not Sweetheart herself

You got people who simped over the Sweetheart body pillow here

[arctic junco]

Sweetheart body pillow
Sweetheart body pillow

[inland laurel]

didnt it sell out super extra fast too LMAO

[hazy ocean]

Its just that there isnt actually a lot to tell about Sweetheart as a character. She kinda just is a really fun villain and that's the point.

[inland laurel]

AND HAS THE BEST BOSS MUSIC🔥🔥🔥🔥

[compact peak]

Sweetheart is hated by 90% of fans?
Is this true? Is this a joke?
Even comments like this seriously confuse me.

[serene juniper]

things change over 4 years

[arctic junco]

Ehhhh, I'd say it ain't too big of a deal. With places like this, sometimes you just mesh well with some folks
Sometimes ya don't with others
And maybe sometimes something else happens

[arctic junco]

Omori thesis statement

[inland laurel]

is that an OMORI REFERENCE⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

[serene juniper]

90% might be an exaggeration but more people dislike her than like her yes

[hazy ocean]

Its a big exageration. Most people just either doesnt care about all or simp about here.

[arctic junco]

Can we call them the mane six? :3

[hazy ocean]

Like, I dont know people who HATE sweetheart or think she hurts the game. They just doesnt care about her.

[inland laurel]

been waiting for the official RW kel tank top to release for 4 years im starting to die🥀

[nimble moss]

People must understand the concept of "love to hate" characters and how Sweetheart is not remotely an exception lmao.

She is such a loser lmao.

[compact peak]

Is it like a lot of people hate her because she's a selfish villain?

[nimble moss]

(Oh, I forgot this is still spoiler tagged by default, but it's fine, it's from Chapter 7.)

[inland laurel]

i like that about her 😭

shes obnoxious and annoying and her design EATS

shes awesome

[hazy ocean]

Yeah. People doesnt hate her as a character or think she is a bad character. They hate her because she is a villain.

[pastel oasis]

It literally eats

[violet aurora]

Chapter seven RUINED her💔💔💔

[nimble moss]

And this. ☝️

[violet aurora]

Nine days left you better watch your doorstep

[nimble moss]

She already ruined herself by her selfish and narcissistic actions. It's impressive that she sank lower. 💔

[torpid acorn]

[inland laurel]

god forbid a girl wants everyone to give her attention and all she wants for nothing in return🙄🙄

[hazy ocean]

It wasn't explained in the manga. But that's picture of me attached to this mirror.

[nimble moss]

Picture of you on this mirror.

[compact peak]

I understand. But personally, I'd still like to say I like him, even if he was a villain.

The act of hating the villain, it seems to me that they want to do that (from the viewpoint that hating evil is the right thing to do).

The date has changed so I'm going to bed.
Thank you for talking to me today. Good night.

[hazy ocean]

Yeah, more and more people in recent fandoms relate their appreciation of a character too much with how good or evil they are. Thats why we get people hating fun evil characters. Or people try to make pure evil characters more good than they actually are.

[hazy ocean]

Good night.

[arctic junco]

And the worst part is this is a fandom thing happening in DROVES
It's too big of a movement, bruv

[hazy ocean]

Yeah, like, I really dont remember this stuff happening at all when i was 14-15.

And it happens in fandoms where that doesnt even make sense, like Chainsaw Man. People hate on Barem fans, and more recently on Yoru fans too.

[topaz hill]

I think that was her purpose a little, she only cares about herself most of the time

[arctic junco]

If there's anything I'd have to blame for this, it's media in the 2010s

Which got their cues from media in the 2000s

Which got their cues from the 90s-
Goddamn it

[hazy ocean]

I dont know. I just think some people try to hard to be morally superiors to others, and modern social medias just made it worse, so we see that more often in fandoms.

[arctic junco]

Those don't help too, yes yes. So we're on the same page, the media I'm referring to is tv shows and movies
Not social media stuffs

[hazy ocean]

But instead of actually doing good actions, their demonstrations of that moral superiority is just to see fans of a villain, and tell them "You know [random character] has killed people and is problematic right ?]"

[hazy ocean]

I dont know. I dont think movies try to make people ACTUALLY dislike their villains as characters ?

They want them to be characters that people love to hate.

[arctic junco]

No media hasn't really done that intentionally, that's for sure
But what did happen was fandoms slowly tuning into the idea of "good character = good!" "Evil character = evil/problematic!" because of how fandom has changed and evolved interaction-wise

Slowly but surely, folks went from engaging media at its level and talking about them as fictional works

To engaging things in media as if they actually exist

[hazy ocean]

Big agree

[arctic junco]

I dread to remember how Tumblr treated their favorite shows
And how that pooled into other fandoms, grrrrrrrr

If SuperWhoLock is familiar to you, congrats!
You're old

[hazy ocean]

Wasn’t there also like someone who got doxxed recently because of that one picture of Basil getting beat up for no reason on twitter ?

[arctic junco]

Dawg

There were tons of people harassed online over Omori fan works

Which one is that? (Feel free to DM just in case)

[hazy ocean]

The fanart or the person ?

Dont know the person, but i can post the fanart because its honestly more stupid than actually shocking or anything like that.

[arctic junco]

Both

[inland laurel]

YIKES

why are omori fans so overprotective

[hazy ocean]

They deleted the post

The person got jumped and people tried to doxx them but it seems they didn't succeed.

[arctic junco]

You can post the fanart, if ya wanna. As for where, depends on you.

[hazy ocean]

Im searching for it right now. I cant find it.

But it seriously wasn’t anything serious.

People just found it funny how OOC the cast was and had no reason to jump Basil like that.

[winter mantle]

Cuz half of them became emotional addicts of it. And, you know, never take a bottle away from an alcoholic

[hazy ocean]

Thats a problem with a lot of younger fandoms

And the shipping community too

They are attached too much emotionnaly to these stuff and act like they are actual people.

[winter mantle]

I kinda believe it's a bit harder case with Omori

[hazy ocean]

At least the powerscaling community will just insult you or call you stupid at worst. But the shipping community will straight up call you a bad person over a ship they dont like.

[hazy ocean]

I dont know. I think most fandoms about emotional stuff are like that now.

[winter mantle]

I remember a story when some Undertale artist almost got killed by a needle inside the cookie for wrong ship art

[hazy ocean]

Oh yeah, the times were Frans fanarts was everywhere.

[winter mantle]

Omori is proooobably the most emotional of them, at least as I see from impact on fans

so that's why this case is probably even worse

[hazy ocean]

The undertale fandoms didn't care if you were insulting one characters or drawing/ writing fanarts or fanfics about bad stuff happening to them though. Its only the shipping part of the community that was really bad.

At least now, most of the fandom has grown and the deltarune community is mostly chill.

[pastel oasis]

Yeah, Most fandom stuff I’ve seen is swaps and very weird OCs based on predictions and theories of what the full game might be like

There is an entire character and epic boss theme based on a SpongeBob reference Toby Fox made once

[serene juniper]

the fans are scarier than the game

[pastel oasis]

Yah, remember when Basil experienced the cosmic horror of the Omori fandom?

[arctic junco]

The OMORI fandom seeing the age rating of the game before playing:

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[hazy ocean]

They have been starving for new content for three years tbf.

[pastel oasis]

I’ll miss it

[torpid acorn]

basically any steam game ever

[pastel oasis]

It’s really fun to just go nuts with fan content

[hazy ocean]

There is a reason why stuff like Friends Inside Me became so popular. There is litteraly nothing else they could talk about.

[pastel oasis]

Especially with the music

[pastel oasis]

They could talk about Squirt Theory, but they aren’t brave enough

[hazy ocean]

I wont even ask if thats a real theory, because the Deltarune theories names are so weird this might actually be a real one.

[pastel oasis]

It’s not a real theory

[hazy ocean]

I thought for a long time that Piss and Shit theory was just a troll.

[pastel oasis]

Just a shitpost

About the secret boss being a green ketchup bottle

And of course, he gets a banger boss theme

https://soundcloud.com/redmatazz/goated-with-the-sauce

[hazy ocean]

People are putting that face on anything and call it a secret boss.

[pastel oasis]

I mean, not just that face tbf

Even funnier is that the new teasers imply that the face is a cat

So even sillier

Cutie it will be

[hazy ocean]

The theme is fun

[hazy ocean]

There was theories about that since chapter 2

[pastel oasis]

Yeah

Kinda thought it came out of nowhere

[hazy ocean]

Because of Spamton being a cat type for some reason. And the theory about Friend because a cheschire cat type of character.

Dont know if i spelled it right

[pastel oasis]

Idk if ya did

[hazy ocean]

Its spelled cheshire it seems

[pastel oasis]

But I did think originally that people pointing out design similarities to the guy from Alice in wonderland was the only thing going for it

Didn’t realize that the valentine letter had similarities to some of the cat’s words in the book

And never made the Spamton cat connection

[hazy ocean]

You cant really make it yourself without looking at the code and unused stuff in the game.

There is a hidden element systeme in deltarune, used for ennemies and attacks.

[pastel oasis]

I mean, the elements aren’t really hidden, they are stated in the cafe

It’s just that the boss’ elements are never explicitly stated

[hazy ocean]

Spamton elements are "Puppet/Cat"

[hazy ocean]

If i remember well, those are not actually used. The only elements used in the game are Puppet/Cat for the Spamton Neo and Tasque Manager fights.

It'll probably be introduced in a later chapter.

[spare valve]

Damn the new manga chapter is crazy isn’t it

[topaz hill]

I still haven’t seen it yet

I’ve heard multiple things about it

[spare valve]

Oh i was refering to the conver above LOL

[topaz hill]

OH sorry lol

[spare valve]

Ur good

[latent sapphire]

OMG

they were selling the 2 mangas at a book store near me

and they come with a bonus picture!!!!!

my goat okayu on the front too

[topaz hill]

I got the physical ones too! Only the first one though

[latent sapphire]

YEAHHHH

that’s so sick

i’m excited to read it even tho my japanese skills arent top notch

wished they were selling a translated version

[topaz hill]

Yeah

[topaz hill]

The pictures should help you out on what’s going on too

[latent sapphire]

mhm mhm

i wanna see the differences between the games story vs the mangas

i’m sure it’ll be pretttyy similar tho

[arctic junco]

If it helps, the translated version's on the K-Manga app

[topaz hill]

You have to pay for it again though

[latent sapphire]

yup yup

[agile sphinx]

the chapter actually wasnt that bad, the art is rlly good imo

[inland laurel]

AY AY

who yall think the next volume will have tje voices revealed for😈😈

[serene juniper]

basil, again

[hazy ocean]

Hero

The last volume will be either Mari or Basil

[sand compass]

what if kel just gets neglected and he never gets a va

[hazy ocean]

Lore accurate Kel

[arctic junco]

Voices? It's either one of the brothers

[serene juniper]

what could they even give him for a promo covering the rest of the game

they already covered like the one bit of backstory he has in the volume 2 promo

[sand compass]

yea exactly 😭

[serene juniper]

so I think they'll either run another basil promotion or maybe mari

depends on if they go to a volume 4

which is surprisingly hard to say

[arctic junco]

My guts' saying they'll make six volumes

With six VAs for their promos
It just feels appropriate, for lack of a better term

[sand compass]

with this pacing?? im not sure honestly

i mean it makes sense to make 6 volumes (1 for each main character) but i feel like they're not sure where they are heading with this

[winter mantle]

Maybe it'll be the main story and the rest is just 10 hours basil gets beaten up in the hospital? Would make sense

[arctic junco]

If nothing else, there's fasttracking the main story for a bit so the manga could focus on Black Spaces 1 & 2

Gut's weak on that, but there's a chance

[inland laurel]

UHHHH

i mean. his actual reaction after mari's death?

maybe his own struggles we dont ewally get to see

[serene juniper]

this is, quite literally, impossible without completely ruining the manga

[inland laurel]

he talks about one thing but theres more than that 😈😈

i believe

or he will start yappin about how good orange joe Is idfk

[serene juniper]

not sure they'd do that given all of the "new" non-headspace content were plot points heavily implied at a minimum in the base game

for example Aubrey's parents and chapter 10

[inland laurel]

aubrey gettin voicelines makes me think all characters will get voicelines also tbh

or not WHO KNOWS

i was sure itd be all of em

[serene juniper]

the cancellation coming next chapter:

[inland laurel]

AWESOME🔥🔥

[marble smelt]

i’m putting my money on 5

both of the ones we’ve gotten so far are characters from faraway after the timeskip

mari’s already dead in that timeline

[torpid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-mari-omori-mari-stairs-gif-13156885868398917725

[lethal pulsar]

sim

[serene juniper]

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[hazy ocean]

Rohan sweep

[nimble moss]

Number 14, huh?

...Now, if we had a 3 and put it somewhere in that number...

[arctic junco]

On one hand?

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-bestie-so-true-so-true-bestie-neco-arc-bestie-gif-25532855

But on the other hand?

If I were in charge of Kodansha's staff that handles Omori marketing, I would be dead set in giving all the mane six their own trailers

[broken totem]

Omori

That's

Incredible

[inland laurel]

WOA fr?

its because of that awesome kel picture i just know it

[serene juniper]

possibly

[compact peak]

Based on the pace of the storyline and the number of bonuses in the first limited edition, I initially predicted it would end with volume 3, but as everyone says, there's a chance it will be volume 4 or 5.
At the very least, it'll be volume 4 if the four main party members are used on the cover.
If Basil is added, it'll be volume 5.
But I don't think it will be made up to volume 6. Mari is dead, so she won't be on the cover.
Even taking into account the voice lines, there's a chance they won't create a voice for Sunny, so I've come to think that it's most likely to end with volume 5.

[inland laurel]

hes so goated

[serene juniper]

volume 1 peaked at like half this amount and of course sharply dropped in sales after the polaroids sold out

[inland laurel]

wish i could get it for the sake of the polaroid only 💔

[compact peak]

I think fans who use most of their brain resources for OMORI literally buy a lot of manga by themselves. Some people buy more than three volumes because the bonuses are random.

[arctic junco]

Understandable
But also, not giving all six fellas voices?

It kinda feels like a sin somehow

"Ohhh, it fits because of the game lore and yada yada!"
You have to be an unserious person to really believe that

[inland laurel]

im sayin🔥🔥

they all need voices atp psh psh

[hazy ocean]

Mari already has a voice

Aubrey and Basil too

We just need Kel, Hero and Sunny

[arctic junco]

Mari already has a voice?

Where?

[inland laurel]

UHH

[hazy ocean]

Well, its a humming

[inland laurel]

think they mean when she was humming

but that dont really count

it was real nice tho

[arctic junco]

Does it really count? (especially when she doesn't have an associated CV/VA yet)

[compact peak]

Hmm, did I offend you with my opinion? Sorry.
Sunny doesn't actually have a voice in the game or the manga at this point. So I just thought it might be unlikely that she'll get a voice line. (I remember that the only time she actually speaks in the game is when she decides to reveal the truth in the last scene. Excluding her part-time job at the pizza place.
)
Basil was the voice in volume 1, and Aubrey in volume 2.
But sunny is on the cover of volume 1. This also reinforces the possibility that sunny won't get a voice line.
But I think it would be nice if she did get a voice line, so I'm not in a position to say she definitely shouldn't get one.
There's still a chance that she'll get a voice line along with Mari in volume 5.

[arctic junco]

Imma give it to you straight, no. You did not offend me with your opinion; that was a general statement I made (therefore not aimed at anyone in particular)

So you don't have to worry about that part

[compact peak]

Ah, it's my lack of understanding again.
I may continue to cause trouble with these kinds of misunderstandings... I am truly sorry.

[arctic junco]

No need to apologize.

Yes, Sunny is a silent protagonist, but it feels like a massive ass opportunity to give him a voice. If nothing else, it's so he could be associated with a popular voice actor

If I were to speculate, it HAS to be the last volume (whatever number that may be)
It'll have that big of an impact

It's like having Master Chief speak at the end of his games (until 343 became a thing)

[compact peak]

Popular voice actors created the voice lines for Basil and Aubrey.
I don't know about the popularity of voice actors overseas, but do you guys here have an idea of ​​which voice actors you'd like to see play the other four?

[arctic junco]

I'm not too knowledgedable on that field tbh
But I'd jump for joy if they got uhhhhhhh
Aoi Yuuki as Mari

[serene juniper]

I've seen people buy like 7

[serene juniper]

you have to understand how miserable the manga would get if they had 6 volumes with how the pacing has been

[compact peak]

That's great!
I thought Kel might be played by a female voice actor, but then Hanae Natsuki played Basil so I'm not sure anymore.

[arctic junco]

Shoving two characters into a trailer for one volume could be doable ig

[arctic junco]

I doubt they'd get opposite gender actors for the cast
If anything, they'd get someone fitting for their Faraway versions

And then make them do young-sounding cutesy voices
Like what they already did with Basil and Aubrey

[inland laurel]

itd be cool to have a sunny voice in mind

[arctic junco]

On a side note, I'm sad they have Basil have a deep voice like that, IT'S NOT FITTING!!! /j

https://tenor.com/view/basil-omori-spongebob-spunchbop-gif-24649693

[inland laurel]

even tho basil's voice caught me super off guard

[inland laurel]

RIGHT 😭😭

[compact peak]

Basil's voice is unpopular after all. It's sad because it seems like a lot of people didn't like it.

[inland laurel]

doesnt feel fitting

being so fr i thought it was hero the first time i heard it

💀

[compact peak]

In order to express boyishness, it's not uncommon for female voice actors to voice boys. That's why I thought so.

[arctic junco]

That's true

[inland laurel]

like for tails

or a bunch of other kid characters

ORRR

armin from attack on titan

he's voiced by a woman and it fits super well

[hazy ocean]

I'm glad Basil, the 16yo, has a 16yo's voice

[inland laurel]

being 16 years old does not mean it fits him tho😭🙏

[hazy ocean]

Oh

[compact peak]

I felt that it was reasonable considering that the voice changes that occur during puberty, but I can also understand the opinion that it would not have been a problem if it had been a little higher.

[hazy ocean]

I accidentaly used a banned word

Cant post my message

But well

Im happy he doesnt have THAT type of voice.

[inland laurel]

oh yeah at the very least it is not THAT 💀💀

[arctic junco]

Bruh, that's even more unserious
Only works in joke contexts

[compact peak]

THAT?

Ah wait, maybe I understand.

[inland laurel]

THAT type of voice 😭i thought it made sense with the context??

[marble smelt]

dran is using a translator and does not speak english

theyre japanese

[compact peak]

sorry...

[marble smelt]

so some of the context might get lost in translation

[inland laurel]

i was talkin to podge 💔ik about dran, i dont blame em :)

[marble smelt]

no worries, glad to have you here!

[inland laurel]

nah dude dw i wasnt referring to you, ur fine

[arctic junco]

No need to apologize, bruv

[arctic junco]

Speaking of banned
It would be funny if the manga ends up tackling some stuff made by the fandom

Like Mari except she has an eyepatch because her eye is injured
Iykyk

[compact peak]

Maybe I shouldn't talk about this, but... Some people have an accent in "THAT" voice, and some don't. But I learned that you can still feel it even if it's a different language.

[serene juniper]

omocat probably hates the fandom so no

[inland laurel]

HEHAHAHAHSHS

valid

i remember that one time they made reference to how the omori fandom has like 2 jokes

[nimble moss]

Sometimes I don't blame her.

[serene juniper]

that filthy american feelings Yakuza.

[broken totem]

helo

[tulip skiff]

friendly reminder the last actual omori community interaction omocat did was the omori meme review

she was literally fed FILTERED OUT omori memes and she still decided to never do that shit again we are that cooked

[digital harness]

now i see why omocat's not the owner of this server

[tulip skiff]

i would prob have been banned years ago in that case

tho i gotta say

this would basically be a server with no rules if you had literally anyone from omocat team handling moderation

throw nils in she might post some chatgpt ahh "be nice!" message every once in a while

or call someone a living demon

(this server would be so funny if it was officially ran)

[sand compass]

definitely not a pr disaster waiting to happen

[tulip skiff]

as if they got any rep left

[sand compass]

true 🔥 🔥 🔥

[inland laurel]

OMG ITS TRUE😭😭

man i miss those times tho

where there was community interactions n stuff

there was a mario kart thing once and the winner got the character drawn as a mario kart cover or somethin

[hazy ocean]

Tbf, no amount of money would make having to interact with the Omori community worth it.

[inland laurel]

thats valid n true 💔

[violet river]

come on, we aren't that bad

I think she can be bought

1 trillion seems fair

[tulip skiff]

omocat would find a way to sell conversations i dont think she needs to be bought

she can get money out of the community already

[knotty shoal]

So she doesn't like the fandom.

That means she's definitely gonna keep every bit of the Truth unchanged (except how it's gonna be shown)

And not give in to those people who still think Basil killed Mari (or u/baume777's folie à deux theory)

[tulip skiff]

well

by that logic she woudnt have changed other stuff about the game too

[pastel oasis]

Fnaf flashbacks

[hazy ocean]

Well, i understand why Scott wouldnt want to interact with the community. Its insane he still does that as often as he does tbh.

[inland laurel]

whos scott

[topaz hill]

Scott Cawthon

Fnaf creator

[inland laurel]

OH

didnt realize u were talkin about fnaf now 😭

chat i swear ik who bro is teehee ive been fnaffing since 2015 trust me trust

[topaz hill]

lol it’s fine

[topaz hill]

I’m guessing this was you kel in 2015

[inland laurel]

ME

ME

ME

🫵

[knotty shoal]

Dunno if anyone already talked about it yet but here's the bonus 4-panel comic from volume 2

credit to berry_tart on reddit for image

imma start working on translating this in a bit

[ivory oxide]

where can we read this?

[topaz hill]

K manga

If you want it in English

[knotty shoal]

The 4-panel comic?

Or just the physical manga itself?

[inland laurel]

there are BONUS PANELS?????????????????????????????????????

[knotty shoal]

Yep

[inland laurel]

I NEED TO SEE THESE WHAT

IN ENGLISH

were there bonus panels for the first volume

[knotty shoal]

No they were for the second volume

The first volume had author's notes from Omocat and Nui and that's pretty much it

[topaz hill]

I’m gonna check that

[inland laurel]

aw man

i wish i could read those idk where to find em 😭

ESPECIALLY THE BONUS PANELS

I WILL DIE!!!

[topaz hill]

The books physically?

[inland laurel]

with the extra stuff specifically ye

OH AWESOME

oh it was deleted 😭

thats cool tho

idk why they have japanese uniforms but hey good for em

[knotty shoal]

I already both of the pages in English for you so here ya go (Left: OMOCAT // Right: Nui Konoito)

Disclaimer: it was actually someone else who translated these; I found these off of Twitter somewhere but forgot who did the translation

[inland laurel]

look at kel isnt he awesome

hes so absolutely cool and awesome

[topaz hill]

I got mines on eBay because I can’t fly to Japan and get one myself. But it’s not English though if you do plan on getting it

[topaz hill]

Thanks

[knotty shoal]

Right

Now time for me to translate the 2nd volume's extra

[inland laurel]

PLEASE

is it only one extra per volume?

[knotty shoal]

Considering there were two pages in volumme 1, I say let's wait until volume 3 in order to answer that question

[topaz hill]

What translator do you use?

[knotty shoal]

Google translate

Except I transcribe the text using it's Handwriting feature

And I only work with one paragraph at a time (or dialogue box/speech bubble in this case)

[topaz hill]

Wow google translate has gotten better sense the last time I used it

[topaz hill]

Oh ok

[knotty shoal]

Much better than DeepL from my experience

[serene juniper]

NUI-SAN SND THE EDITORIAL DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN REALLY BUSY TEACHING ME ABOUT STORYTELLING

[arctic junco]

LMAO

[knotty shoal]

Now that I'm halfway finished with the translation I'm gonna quickly talk about something I feel like I should talk about

About what I said about Omocat's storytelling skills (I've deleted the original messages about it)

I thought more about that line from her author's note, specifically "Nui-san and the editorial dpeartment have been busy teaching me about storytelling," and realized she was actually just talking about manga storyboarding instead of just storytelling in general. Which is normal since this is Omocat's first time dealing with Japanese manga (unlike her more western comics)

I really should have thought that one through, so if what I said earlier offended some of you, I'm sorry.

[arctic junco]

You think that offended anybody?

Wait till you hear about what other folks said about Omocat (They're much worse)

[inland laurel]

im no expert so i cant say if she knows story telling or nah

but her game has kel in it

[knotty shoal]

Btw I'm halfway finished with the translation

[inland laurel]

AYYYYYYY

THANK YOU ALEPHITE

pls tag me once ur done🙏🙏

[torpid acorn]

Sick

but

what are you translate into?

ah from Japanese to English

[compact peak]

Come to think of it, the issue of Monthly Afternoon where this episode was published also had comments from omocat and nui.
There were also bonus illustrations of mari by omocat and Aubrey by nui.

[inland laurel]

i saw a tag but its gone 💔

[knotty shoal]

I have it once more now that you're up

[inland laurel]

AWESOMEEEE

[knotty shoal]

And while @inland laurel reads it I would like to talk about mainly the bottom panels of both strips

[inland laurel]

nothing bad ever happened THE END

[knotty shoal]

As one of them (left) alludes to the hanging while the other (right) alludes to the fall

Ok well mainly just the left because the right is self-explanatory

The left also has an end text similar to the one the right strip had about nothing bad happening

It specifically reads "Do NOT shake the cherry blossom tree"

That is completely new

Shaking a cherry tree in this instance is obviously supposed to relate to Truth day somehow

Yet there's no where else we can find anything to connect this

...

Unless...

Maybe there was something from the game that connects to this

Maybe the reason shaking the cherry blossom tree specifically was so important was...

...because it woke a certain someone up

Specifically...

that someone.

[winter mantle]

Idk, as far as I know, in Japanese parks there are instructions not to touch/shake these trees.

[knotty shoal]

But there could have been a reason that was used for a strip clearly meant to allude to thee Truth

The shrine (i dunno the specific name of it but it must be a real world shrine) the gang visited as obviously alluding to the stairfall

Plus the argument if you count the torii gate

And that got it's own side note

And since shaking trees got its own side note

Why shouldn't that be improtant as well

Now back to what I was saying before

The hangman game showcases a stick Mari being hung with her eyes closed before turning into something which is supposed to signify her eyes darting open

And now that we have the left strip, that one detail in the game makes SO much more sense now.

Especially when Basil said "When SOMETHING killed Mari... when SOMETHING ruined all my photos..."

He took the blame for ruining the photos right?

So why would he take the blame for killing her if he saw Sunny push her down the stairs?

Unless she didn't die from the fall

[winter mantle]

Don't even start...

just no

[knotty shoal]

Unless the murder Basil was taking the blame for was the hanging

Now I'm not gonna say it was Basil who killed her tho

We all know that Sunny killed her either way

But by hanging?

Where in the world would we know?

[winter mantle]

It basically takes almost all the bla,e from Sunny and makes Basil a murderer

pls don't even start with this forsaken theory

[knotty shoal]

Oh no I was thinking more of a reason-it-is-harder-to-forgive-sunny kind of thing

This is a reminder of the fact that Sunny killed Mari

[winter mantle]

Dude.... Sunny didn't even realize what he was doing when he was carrying Marie to the tree, Basil was completely leading him

This just destroys the premise of the game, completely shifting the blame to Basil. Like, then there is no dilemma at all in forgiving Sunny and Basil - like, then forgiving Sunny is a piece of cake, and forgiving Basil is out of question (kinda like in game but stil)

[knotty shoal]

I'm not trying to say that Basil killed her

That spot from Orange Oasis is blaming Sunny

with a jumprope beneath the poster of all things

And with what we now know from that second 4-panel strip, it makes so much more sense now

[winter mantle]

Um... what? If Mari didn't die from the fall, but from hanging, as you said, then Basil killed her completely.

[knotty shoal]

Again i'm not putting blame on Basil

[marble smelt]

mari died from the fall

she was dead by the time they put her in bed the game explicitly confirms this

[knotty shoal]

Map decor is nothing when it's the photos themselves that are emphasized

[marble smelt]

what

the game explicitly says that she was 100% fully dead by the time they put her in bed how much more proof do you need 😭

[knotty shoal]

That side-note from the left 4-panel strip literally connects to stuff that was already found in game

And assuming you're believeing Sunny killed mari by hanging is exclusive to the manga, since the manga indirectly explained those parts of the game

[marble smelt]

mari did not die from the hanging

[knotty shoal]

It means what we get from the manga (concerning the truth) is canon

[marble smelt]

this has been explicitly confirmed

[tall summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[serene juniper]

dude a volume extra isn't canon

[winter mantle]

Umm... If you say Mari died by hanging, you automatically pin the blame for the murder on Basil. AUTOMATICALLY. It was his idea and he did all the leading

[knotty shoal]

But then why would Omocat and Nui intentionally add important side notes that literally connect to the photo of something and the orange oasis poster

[serene juniper]

it's a JOKE.

it's meant to be a funny comic man

[knotty shoal]

Im trying to say that SUNNY killed her by hanging, whether he came up with the idea on his own or Basil gave him the idea

There

[tall summit]

wait what's this comic

[knotty shoal]

Now do you get it?

[serene juniper]

SCROLL UP

[tall summit]

ok

so it's just a note saying do not shake the cherry tree

[knotty shoal]

The same kind of side note the other strip had which said nothing bad happened

With stairs in the above panel of all things

[tall summit]

and you think it alludes to her dying from the hanging

[marble smelt]

i feel like youre overthinking this

[knotty shoal]

Maybe not the right side strip

But the left side most definitely

[tall summit]

yeah like

[winter mantle]

Even if so (it's still very stupid), Mari wasn't breathing when she was lying in bed after the fall. The game tells you this straight out ("This person is not breathing"), as well as the photo descriptions.

[knotty shoal]

At this point the photo descriptions don't even count anymore as Omocat completely removed them from the files by the time the game got it's final update

And not by encryption

I mean straight-up removal altogether

[marble smelt]

its been confirmed outside of the photos

in the final game if you interact with mari while shes lying in bed it literally tells you ''this person is not breathing''

[tall summit]

"This person isn't breathing" is not a photo caption

[knotty shoal]

Additionally there is a 99 letter room that has stumps reusing the truth captions

which surprise surprise

Also got removed from that room

[arctic junco]

The police when they saw my social media posts

[violet aurora]

This sounds familiar

[torpid acorn]

oh man we are theorizing the manga now?

[marble smelt]

no just repeating the same old debate about whether mari died instantly from the fall or only after being hung

[torpid acorn]

ah ok

[serene juniper]

omori fans starting to get way too truthpilled

[knotty shoal]

Ok I think im gonna have to write a whole paragraph at once so that you can get my point in one message instead of separate messages.

Both side-notes are referencing the Truth. The right side one references the stairfall (the right-side bottom panel has stairs) and the left one refers to the hanging (the left strip focuses on a tree). If both strips has stairs and a tree and the right strip references the fall, then there's no reason the left side note is referring to the hanging. The left side note says "Do NOT shake the cherry tree," which I won't deny is a real world rule for visitors. But just because it's an irl rule doesn't automatically make the side note not related to the hanging. And although it may not seem like it, there IS stuff from the original game that actually connects to that side note very well that explain why shaking trees has to do with the hanging. One of theme is the final truth photo in which Mari's corpse is seen with her eye open. Before volume 2 released, I, too, agreed it was from rigor mortis, but now that is no longer the case. Now we know from that strip that (and the truth captions are also now confirmed to be obsolete from canon) Mari DID open her eyes, not from rigor mortis, but from literally waking up from unconsciousness, and the thing that woke her up was either Basil or Sunny shaking the tree.

And since it's already obvious fact that Basil never killed Mari, that "YOU DID IT!" poster directed at only Sunny while having a JUMPROPE beneath it of all things noww makes MUCH more sense. Sunny was the one to hang Mari. Not Basil. Sunny killed her by hanging. Sunny pushed her down the stairs and while she survived then, Sunny still knocked her out cold. Of course he was still a kid and it's not like he'd be able to notice a faint yet stable breathing in a panicked state like this. And then when the "cover up" happened Sunny was the one to try to hang her, ultimately murdering her in his own backyard, completely unaware that she was still alive until that very moment he killed her.

And before you call me a bot, know that I copy-pasted all of this from my desktop notepad

[marble smelt]

even if the manga says that she died from the hanging, which is a VERY VERY big if
the source material EXPLICITLY confirms that she was already dead BEFORE the hanging
between the manga and the literal source material, the source material outnumbers the manga's ''canon-ness'' by a LOT 😭

[knotty shoal]

Looks like you haven't read the entire thing I wrote carefully so try that before ranting about how it's not canon

[marble smelt]

i dont think that you should take a side note that just says ''do not shake the tree'' as seriously and consider it as much of an explicit conformation as the game explicitly telling you that she was dead

[marble smelt]

i did read the entire thing you wrote i just dont agree with it

[knotty shoal]

Quickly making a response right after I post it doesn't sound like reading it carefully to me

[marble smelt]

god forbid someone reads faster than 5 words per minute

[torpid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[marble smelt]

not everything has to be a reference to the truth or some kind of hint towards a deeper theory
some things are just there
especially in a bonus manga thats not even canon

[serene juniper]

this level of truthpilling should be illegal

[knotty shoal]

I'm not trying to make everything in the 4-panel comics a reference

Just the bottom panels and their side notes

[serene juniper]

do you see a tree when you go outside and think "wow this symbolically represents how mari was hanged from a tree"

"mari used to eat cheeseburgers"

[marble smelt]

if mari was actually alive then this is not how they would reveal that

less than 1% of the playerbase is going to read this

[torpid acorn]

I wonder if the cherry blossom tree was referring to the coral tree in deep well

[serene juniper]

IT'S A CHERRY BLOSSOM TREE

[marble smelt]

omocat doesnt even write the majority of the script for the manga

[serene juniper]

you guys are overanalyzing a volume extra gag comic

[marble smelt]

literally

[knotty shoal]

Ok you know what f this I'm gonna go post the confirmation on reddit

[torpid acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/728935753274359901/1076095201078157414/925574066973331506.gif

[serene juniper]

IT'S LIKE TALKING TO A BRICK WALL

[marble smelt]

''the confirmation''

[torpid acorn]

reddit...

[marble smelt]

literally nothing has been confirmed what are you on about 😭

if mari was still alive then omocat wouldnt have went out of their way to specifically say that she wasnt breathing

they couldve written ANYTHING else that wasnt ''this person is not breathing'' but they still chose to put that there

[tall summit]

i beat you to it

[tall summit]

you will be downvoted

[knotty shoal]

"This person wasn't breathing" was entirely based on thought alone. And even if that line itself was a truth caption Sunny thought she wasn't breathing because he he was in such a panic he couldn't even notice the very very faint breathing she still had.

[torpid acorn]

yea she could have put the message "this person isnt responding"

[marble smelt]

youre reaching

[torpid acorn]

FIGHT

[marble smelt]

if it was just that sunny didnt think she was breathing while she actually was then omocat wouldnt have went out of her way to EXPLICITLY say she wasnt breathing

[torpid acorn]

[arctic junco]

For the sake of argument, maybe Mari DID die on the hanging
What would be the point? (Thematically?)

[marble smelt]

thatd just be bad writing-wise

it puts all the blame on basil and removes all responsibility from sunny

[knotty shoal]

Again, the game saying she wasn't breathing was based on Sunny believing she wasn't breathing when she wasn't

[torpid acorn]

Basil would deserved in HELL, and the whole community would bashed him

and uhh

[marble smelt]

did you not read anything i just wrote 😭

[knotty shoal]

Unless it was Sunny who did the hanging (it was)

[marble smelt]

it was basils idea

[tall summit]

Now you're just assuming stuff

[torpid acorn]

post your thought on reddit and comeback to us later

[knotty shoal]

And Sunny would carry out the idea

[marble smelt]

primarily basil

sunny was heavily dissociating

[torpid acorn]

Sunny was clearly out of his mind

[knotty shoal]

Ok👍

[torpid acorn]

he was pushing himself back in whitespace at that desperate time

[marble smelt]

if she only died when being hung, then itd be fully on basil which is just bad for character writing

[winter mantle]

God, this all really started with "Don't shake the cherry blossom tree." Terminal stage CPPS, lol

[marble smelt]

literally

[torpid acorn]

it's always "Did Mari die from hanging" theory man

[marble smelt]

its just an actual rule that exists irl not everything needs to have a deeper meaning 😭

[torpid acorn]

(i did ask myself sometimes too but no longer)

[knotty shoal]

Oh and one more thing before I leave

[inland laurel]

not to be rude, but why is it always such a big deal to even think of this theory as a possibility??

[knotty shoal]

At least I'm not saying the whole truth was a dream

[marble smelt]

the game explicitly confirms she died before being hung

[knotty shoal]

Unlike u/baume777

[inland laurel]

imo i think its fair to think about it

[torpid acorn]

maybe we like to theorize

[inland laurel]

yeah, thats why im confused 😭

[winter mantle]

Cuz... no one likes it and its just ruins so much?

[inland laurel]

not really??

[torpid acorn]

so yeah we need a real solid evidence to come together with our theory

[marble smelt]

its fine to think about it for a while and consider the possibilities but continuing to go on and on about it when literally everything points towards her being dead way beforehand is just useless

the game explicitly says she died beforehand

[winter mantle]

yes really??

[marble smelt]

continuing to claim that she only died after being hung is 1. bad for the characater writing and 2. just needlessly makes the game even edgier than it already is

[serene juniper]

I think people don't like it because it just makes the game's story kinda silly

[torpid acorn]

THE GAME IS EDGY?

[marble smelt]

there already is evidence
the game explicitly says she died before being hung

[inland laurel]

its just a theory, even if mari having already died is more possible. whenever i see people complain about it, its mostly because it "makes basil more bad" when it really doesnt. its the same situation for basil, just a more tragic circumstance

[marble smelt]

but the theory has already been disproven 5 years ago

[serene juniper]

the final third of the game is mostly about sunny's guilt as well as basil well being basil and if basil killed mari it just seems silly to care so much about Sunny's guilt

[torpid acorn]

ye thats why we are denying his thought now

[tall summit]

It's not a theory it's misinformation

[inland laurel]

is it because of the "shes not breathing" part in blackspace or was ir something else

[marble smelt]

yes

[inland laurel]

thats it??

[torpid acorn]

because it's no longer a theory, rather a fact now

[marble smelt]

fym thats it

[inland laurel]

why are yall so mad omg im asking genuinely

[tall summit]

What's the point of it if it's not supposed to mean she died from the fall

[serene juniper]

this truth shit get serious be ready to die behind it

[torpid acorn]

we are not mad, just the mad tone of voice in the message

[inland laurel]

no ik💔

[marble smelt]

when the game explicitly says she was dead before being hung, it usually means she was dead before being hung

continuing to ask if she died afterwards or not is just

theres no real point to it

[torpid acorn]

but hang on a second, asking it on reddit?

I thought that place is heavily for Sunburn and...Sunflower, I rarely seen an actual good theorize there

[inland laurel]

okay cool! i still think its not that big of a deal if someone thinks otherwise. its still sorta vague IN MY OPINION

[marble smelt]

it just comes across as trying to make the game seem even darker than it needs to be

its not really vague though

[inland laurel]

man😭😭😭😭😭😭

[marble smelt]

the game explicitly says she died idk how much more proof you need

mfs will do anything but read the dialogue 💔

[inland laurel]

yikes okay

[torpid acorn]

but why asking on the reddit when we have like 10 ppl here know well abt the lore itself

[marble smelt]

omocat couldve made maris ghost appear in the game and make her say ''hi guys im mari and i died BEFORE BEING HUNG'' and people would still try to argue she died afterwards