#Raven

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paper quiver
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And I did have Strike from Above in play

iron girder
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and you were in freedom city? 🙂

paper quiver
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Yes

short dock
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Did you collect all three different tactics while playing TotT?

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If so...
"In Freedom City, the Raven plays all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade, collecting all three tactics at least once each. Then, the Raven plays Strikes From Above, and is incapacitated with Strikes From Above in play."

Would want to see this tried with the other tactics as well, just to be sure.

paper quiver
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I don't remember if I collected Go to Roost, but I did collect Stealth tactic [whatever it's called] twice

short dock
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Into The Shadows

paper quiver
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How do I find a log?

short dock
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What device are you playing on?

paper quiver
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Computer

short dock
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C:\Users\(YourNameHere)\AppData\LocalLow\Handelabra Games Inc_\Sentinels of Earth-Prime

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Looking for log.txt

paper quiver
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for context, the continue point is "right after the first villain turn"

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The only thing that happened during that turn was "take a bunch of damage iirc"

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Actually, wait. Hmm

short dock
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Looks like you moved Into the Shadows twice and Strike From Above twice, and never touched Go to Roost

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With TotT, at least

paper quiver
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Unless it happened during the villain turn, but I don't remember doing that. It would have certainly been in the trash already

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Hmm...
There might be more data missing from this than I thought

short dock
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"In Freedom City, the Raven plays all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade. Then, the Raven plays Strikes From Above, and is incapacitated with Strikes From Above in play."

Wonder if issues were had because of people replaying the same copy of Tools so much, and just missing the third unique copy each time.

rotund sun
short dock
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Need more people without the unlock to test stuff.

paper quiver
short dock
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We still don't know for sure if Freedom City is needed, if Tools of the Trade has to collect tactics at all (you skipped GtR, but SFA and/or ItS could still be necessary), if specifically SFA in play at the end is necessary or if ItS is allowed (I think someone mentioned above that GtR didn't work for them in the same scenario SFA did)...

paper quiver
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Ooh, those are all very valid points, probably

short dock
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But! We've narrowed it down quite a bit

rotund sun
patent zenith
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Ya welcome

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Collapses

rotund sun
deep blaze
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Tried "play 3 unique copies of Tools of the Trade, incapacitate Raven while Strike from Above is in play" in both Temple of Zhu Long and Freedom City. Only Freedom City gave the unlock, so let's try

"In Freedom City, play 3 unique copies of Tools of the Trade, then Raven must be incapacitated while Strike from Above is in play."

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paper quiver
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does get one need to get at least 1 Tactic?

deep blaze
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Here's the unlock log for people to scour if they want!

📎 log.txt
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If nothing else I feel pretty confident that Freedom City really is necessary. I don't think I did anything different in Temple of Zhu Long.

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The only other thing I can think of that was in any way interesting or notable about my Tools of the Trade plays was that I had all three in hand before playing any of them. (that was the only way I could trust myself to remember to play 3 unique ones)

coral crown
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We're so close. I really wish I had another platform to test on.

rotund sun
iron girder
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Lol yeah my bad. Well deserved comment deletion 😅 shutting up now

patent zenith
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To the logs I go

patent zenith
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All tactics appear to have been played once each (In order of appearance)
-Swing Line plays Into the shadow
-GameController plays Go to Roost
-The Raven's Ready for Anything puts Strike from above into play

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Have we had an unlock condition where certain cards had to be played in sequence before? . . . I'mma have another look at logs if this order of play matches up. ( .H.) 📜 📜

alpine glen
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Well, maybe they don't need to be played, but I was able to get an unlock by only playing those cards.

patent zenith
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Was this unlock attempted on Mobile?

deep blaze
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I'm afraid I don't have SoEP on mobile yet so I can't try to replicate

patent zenith
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I was asking Coder.

patent zenith
icy obsidian
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How’s it coming team?

coral crown
icy obsidian
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Oh no

kindred stirrup
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What are we currently testing

alpine glen
patent zenith
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Okay . . .

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The next best course of action is someone to play a game where:
"In a game in Freedom City, you play 3 tactic cards, where the last one is Strike From Above, and have The Raven be incapacitated with Strike from above in play."

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This can at least remove the extra information of playing 3 unique copies tools of the trade.

paper quiver
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So ideally they should only play up to two tott?

kindred stirrup
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I'll try it out

patent zenith
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Uniquely with Topher's Log he played only 3 Tactics the entire game.

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And Coder is stating the only Tactic they played was Strike from above

paper quiver
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Oh, fascinating

kindred stirrup
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Though I played them from my trash if that matters

patent zenith
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That's fine. . . . 🤔

kindred stirrup
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didn't play any tott

patent zenith
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Okay run another game With the similar parameters as before (With some additional)
In Freedom City, Play all copies of Tools of the Trade don't worry about what you search with them, AFTER THAT just play Strike from Above 3 times,after the third strike fromm above play, incap The Raven."

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Got all of that?

kindred stirrup
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how many copies is that lol

patent zenith
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There are 3 copies of Tools of the Trade in the deck, play all three.
There are 2 copies of Strike from above in the deck , play all of them and play it again a third time.

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( oHo) 👌 ?

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Understand?

deep blaze
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I wonder if how TotT gets played is important. I think two of my three plays were off-turn from Lightning Leadership.

patent zenith
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2 of them where

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The Third one was from your hand on your turn

deep blaze
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Right

patent zenith
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Notably in Jebboh's game, they played it 4 times. 3 times from his hand on their turn, and once from off turn play Freedom 6 Tachyon Incap ability

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For my game in order they occur in the log
On my turn
Out of turn (Inventive Preparation)
Out of turn (Inventive Preparation)
On my turn
On my turn (During play phase via The Raven's Descend destroying Into the shadow which my innate power put into play)

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In one of my failed attempts Each Tools of the Trade was played out of turn by Inventive Preparation and Legacy's Overwatch

deep blaze
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Did any of the unlocks not have any out of turn Tools plays? I suspect this is a blind alley but now I'm curious.

patent zenith
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( oHo) Time to dig

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Infernyx 2nd Unlock
4 out 5 Tools of the Trade plays where out of turn by Legacy's Overwatch
5th one was on turn.

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Jebboh's log
3 out of 4 Tools of the trade plays where On turn.
A 4th one was Out of turn.

kindred stirrup
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though I also played one tactic other than strike from above accidentally

patent zenith
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Hm how odd.

kindred stirrup
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does it need to be a self incap because gloom finished her

patent zenith
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No we confirmed that it doesn't need to self incap

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A partial log (Forget who's it is)
4 Out of turn plays
1 On turn play

deep blaze
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Given that the variant's bio makes a semi big deal of how Duncan isn't comfortable in the Freedom League and is thinking of quitting, it would be super weird for the unlock to require an out of turn card play, which would usually come from a teammate. Unless...oh hell, Cape & Cowl Club in Freedom City gives card plays during the environment turn.

kindred stirrup
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there was quite a lot of out of turn plays

patent zenith
deep blaze
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Since we think Freedom City is required, that would make out-of-turn plays at least theoretically possible no matter which teammates you bring.

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What if it's something like

"In Freedom City, play Tools of the Trade out of turn at least once, then have Raven be incapacitated while Strike from Above is in play,"

or alternatively,

"In Freedom City, Play 3 unique copies of Tools of the Trade, at least one of which must be out-of-turn, then incapacitate Raven while Strike from Above is in play."

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(Or maybe it's a wacky coincidence, /sigh)

kindred stirrup
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definitely did that

patent zenith
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Would it be a fair assumption not many Villain decks make Hero's play cards, right?

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Follow up question:
Would it be a fair assumption that Hero and Environment decks more often make Hero's play cards?

earnest sable
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the second sounds fair to me

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if that's necessary, it might be why hades was being focused on earlier?

patent zenith
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From what I can find compairing Jebboh's, Topher's, and the Partial Log, 2 cards where played by card that where not from The Raven's deck, which I'm mostly assuming that the game counts only Hero and Environment Cards.

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So, if someone could Provide me a result of

"In a game, have The Raven play cards out of turn 2 times (By Hero or Environment cards), then be incapacitated."

We might be a step closer.

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We do have a set up for such a game. Gloom Weaver and Temple of Zhu Long. So we can be absolutely sure if Freedom City is needed.

paper quiver
kindred stirrup
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I definitely did that

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I had f5 legacy and thunder letting raven play extra cards

paper quiver
patent zenith
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Okay . . .
"In a game play all unique copies of "Tools of the Trade" in a game. 2 of those card plays be done outside of The Raven's turn. Then incapacitate The Raven."

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Feel free to add onto In freedom city and with strike from above in play when The Raven is incaped

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If the quoted suggestion doesn't work

kindred stirrup
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yeah pretty sure i did that

rotund sun
balmy wedge
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I am ready to contribute a game. Please give me a precise list of things to do / not do.

lunar wraith
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wait, your name's purple. this is gonna have to be like Twitch Plays Pokémon — your requested precise list will have to be followed exactly.

balmy wedge
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Yup

short dock
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Freedom City, play all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade, then play Into the Shadows and have Raven incapped with Into the Shadows in play.

No other card plays. 👍

balmy wedge
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Ok. So I’m going to bring gloomweaver and have haka eat all his targets.

rotund sun
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Is this allowed?

short dock
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They're not contributing potential unlock methods

rotund sun
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Asking for myself

short dock
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Just asking us what we want and throwing a log our way to make of it what we will.

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And I figured I'd take this chance to ask about a theory I had that nobody else seemed to want to take up. 😢

balmy wedge
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I am going to start laundry

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And then game

kindred stirrup
glad loom
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Still knowing the actual solution could influence any number of choices in the game... i'd argue we shouldn't. But such things are not up to me to decide thankfully.

balmy wedge
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If any other steps are desired lmk, I will ping before starting

kindred stirrup
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well I did play other cards I guess

rotund sun
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I would do multiple player and mark myself afk to be safe. Personally

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But I’m not offering on this one

patent zenith
lunar wraith
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I would not be able to play a game without unconsciously applying or avoiding the requirements.
and I'm part of a plural system and can dissociate at the drop of a hat, so...

patent zenith
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( oHo)7

balmy wedge
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starting

patent zenith
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\ (OHO) /

balmy wedge
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insufficiency

balmy wedge
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oh and she got punched, but the park location is out and healing everyone a bit.

short dock
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If possible, only Into the Shadows and any equipment. Basically trying to stay away from Strike From Above with this request.

balmy wedge
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ItS and a flashbang have been fetched. Nothing is getting discarded. and nothing is getting played.

patent zenith
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Right on~

balmy wedge
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second play of TooT through Cape and Cowl Club. Fetching ItS if possible and some other equipment.

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ItS is not fetchable.

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Take my pick

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short dock
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Any two equipment, just no tactics.

balmy wedge
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Boomerang and Gadget Belt (Y)

short dock
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(Y) indeed.

balmy wedge
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MSN emoji thumb up

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anyway

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third TooT is now in hand

patent zenith
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This is intersting to see unfold

balmy wedge
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brought in Snoke Pellets and Swing Line

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Raven's turn. As of now, all three TooTs have been played. The first one brought in ItS and equipment, the second and third ones have all been equipment. She plays ItS.

short dock
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👍 Time for the incap, sounds like, and hoping for the best.

balmy wedge
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environment turn!

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Captain Thunder punches Raven

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Lady Liberty punches Raven

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Haka hits Raven with a stick

short dock
balmy wedge
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and Writhe stabs her with a stick, that glows

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Villain turn!

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The Cursed Acolyte is stymied by Captain Thunder's Shocking Rebuke and Implacable Resolve

rotund sun
balmy wedge
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Captain Thunder punches The Raven, incapacitating her. Into The Shadows was in play. No unlock.

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Now at LL's turn.

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I am going to have dinner. I can rewind if more explorations are desired. BRB.

patent zenith
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( oHo) 7 Thank you for sour service

short dock
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Okay, between that and SkyWhale's game, I think we have a solid idea - could you rewind to the last Tools of the Trade and try grabbing Go to Roost and an equipment, and repeat the incap?

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Yeah, this is very appreciated.

lunar wraith
short dock
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It's two hero turns that you can rewind

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Environment and villain turns don't count for the rewind limit

lunar wraith
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oh, did a bunch of that damage happen during the environment turn? ah.

short dock
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Yeah

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It sounded like it was Raven, environment, villain, Captain Thunder (or Thunder got to hit Raven on the villain turn)

lunar wraith
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Writhe is between Raven and environment

short dock
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Oh, you're right, there's a screenshot.

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BLAH

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I have two theories at this point, thanks to SkyWhale and hey yo's games.

"In Freedom City, the Raven plays all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade, grabbing all three tactics at least once each. Then, the Raven is incapacitated with either Into the Shadows or Strike From Above in play."

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"In Freedom City, the Raven plays all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade, grabbing Into the Shadows and Strike From Above at least once each. Then, the Raven is incapacitated with either Into the Shadows or Strike From Above in play."

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From what someone said earlier in this thread, having Go to Roost in play didn't work in the same situation that having Strike From Above in play did, which is why I'm not including that one in the "in play at time of incap" bit.

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Which is why I think it would possibly follow that it's not necessary to find it with the TotT play

deep blaze
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I know it's not the "grab one of each tactic" one because I didn't in my unlock

short dock
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With all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade played and having ItS or SFA in play?

patent zenith
deep blaze
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I used 3 unique Tools and had SFA in play.

short dock
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Hrm...and you were in Freedom City, I take it? BLEH.

deep blaze
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I played pretty much the exact same game in Temple of Zhu Long (no unlock) and then Freedom City (unlock)

patent zenith
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Can confirm. He only searched 2 of the three Tactics

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Into the Shadows & Strike from above.

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Rest where equipment

deep blaze
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Basically stalled and focused on card draw until I had all three Tools in my hand, then played all of them (twice via Lightning Leadership), made sure SFA was up, then had Wraith punch her.

short dock
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OH, I thought you didn't have an unlock

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I misread before.

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Then yeah, locking this one in as my guess.

In Freedom City, the Raven plays all three unique copies of Tools of the Trade, grabbing Into the Shadows and Strike From Above at least once each. Then, the Raven is incapacitated with either Into the Shadows or Strike From Above in play.

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For now, at least. 😄

deep blaze
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Do we have an unlock on record where someone had ItS in play instead of SfA? I missed that!

short dock
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SkyWhale did it over in Realm of Discord

steep ravine
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big W

short dock
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I'm confident enough in that one that I'm assuming the only reason we've not had it confirmed is that they're busy with Handelabra Live. And then my confidence will be shattered when Live is over. 😄

balmy wedge
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OK, I'm just going to savage mana gloomweaver

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no unlock

short dock
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Yeh, not surprised between yours, SkyWhales, and Tophers info. Thanks for doing the game, though! It helped.

balmy wedge
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professional replicator

steep ravine
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Oh right

balmy wedge
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(yes, i have presented at academic conferences about how many research publications do not contain sufficient information to replicate them)

steep ravine
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Drat I’m headed to the grocery 🙄 I’ll see who gets picked later

balmy wedge
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(not even getting to the ones with sufficient detail to replicate and then getting different results)

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(sigh)

short dock
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The question now is did we manage to get the requirement before the next variant is available or not.

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And huh, I'm surprised that it sounds like a common issue with research publications.

south herald
rotund sun
ocean ledge
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The community has discovered the official unlock condition for Silver Age Raven:

In Freedom City, play all 3 copies of Tools of the Trade, searching for Into the Shadows and Strike From Above at some point with them. Then, the Raven is incapacitated while Into the Shadows or Strike From Above is in play.

ocean ledge
rotund sun
short dock
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Woo!

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I'm calling that a win on getting it before the next variant was released, since the guess was out first. 🙂

kindred stirrup
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wow

ivory marlin
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Right on time to

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Now we have to work on bowman

earnest sable
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yup, you did it :D

short dock
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We*

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That took a lot more community effort than the others, for sure.

patent zenith
deep blaze
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Yeah, this one felt like more of a community collective effort than I remember seeing in a very long time

short dock
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That's part of why I dislike when people say I'm the one who did the thing. I'm not doing it myself. I'm bouncing ideas off of people and seeing what worked and didn't work for others when I'm putting suggestions out.

icy obsidian
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Take credit for our community? Nevermore

rotund sun
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you have all the tools you need

vivid mortar
# short dock That's part of why I dislike when people say I'm the one who did the thing. I'm ...

First, I acknowledge and respect your preference for the group effort to not be overlooked by placing you on a pedestal.

Second, my feeling is that the interesting part of the hunt doesn’t start until at least one unlock example exists, and since you do have a certain… tendency… to inaugurate the (IMO) fun part of the hunt, I personally weigh your contribution a bit more heavily.

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Also, love a good running joke 😉

short dock
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I'm not gonna be humble enough to say I don't play a large part in a lot of the recent hunts, that'd be silly. My complaints merely extend to the comments saying I'm the one who did the thing.

rotund sun
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there was a really early person talking each unique tott

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there was a lot of ideas

short dock
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I'd give a +1 to enjoying a good running joke, but the people in the Realm of Discord server would crucify me for giving a +1. 😛

rotund sun
earnest sable
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his cutout looks super cool, but his intro dialogue is so cheesy XD

south herald
opaque raft
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Great, we got it. This was indeed more tricky than the ones before. And just in time before the next one. Great job all!

kindred stirrup
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what's up with the extraneous wording on this variant?

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it's pretty close to the legacy variant but is very wordy

short dock
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Grandpa Legacy can use his power on himself. Daddy Raven Silver Age Raven can't.

rotund sun
rotund sun
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This is unlock-able during an obliveaon game

rotund sun
tall jewel