State of 1-9

[zenith bridge]

I’m making this to call attention to the issues I and fellow medical players have seen in 1-9 lately. Tbh I’m not entirely sure what can be done, however it seems worth starting the conversation and seeing what suggestions are made.
To start the CCP doesn’t feel like a CCP. The idea of a CCP is obviously to gather all, if not most, bodies for multiple medics to all work on in unison. However I’ve seen this more in squad to squad cohesion, when fighting closely, the medics find a semi safe spot and radio to have fallen squad mates brought to them. But between the fact most 1-9s are concerned with having it destroyed and the long deploy time the current CCP tarp is more of a paking station after the fact. Which brings me to my next topic which is due to the change on limbs to being only fixable at CCPs or Banshee Vics it has effectively eliminated the mechanic. Why set his leg when you can pak is back to full health? This is the general consensus among medics and I personally have not seen limbs being fixed over fully paking since the change.
Lastly, I’ve noticed many, if not all, Banshee teams seem to skip the part of SOPs that specify tasking of Banshee is meant to go through 1-9. Every time I’ve played 1-9, or even on other roles over the radio, it’s been a case of Banshee self tasking or just going automatically to the first unit that asks. I feel like that part needs to be more stressed/enforced as Banshee is meant to be an asset utilized by 1-9 as an extension of their medical duties. However as mentioned I feel almost no one respects this and I’ve generally gotten resistance trying to enforce it myself. I believe part of the reason this is overlooked is because the person/unit that needs help is so desperate to get it at during that time they are so grateful they don’t think or even mind if SOPs were bent or even broken for them to receive that medical aid. In general there seems to be some confusion on the that fact Banshee are PJs and a meant to be a medical QRF where as some groups seems to think it’s 1-9 v2. And I could see why as a 3 man crew with the MEV vehicles being a better CCP overall. Not only does it not have the pesky deploy timer but it Carries the medical crate around for you, a downside to 1-9 I see often overlooked, and makes you faster to respond than a full pack of fluids 1-9 could ever hope to be. 1-9 has no “better” distinction other than his authority which as mentioned above is not even the case. However I digress, I would like to state none of this is said as ill-will or lack of respect for the hard work put into making these roles in the first place. I’m simply voicing my concern for the good of the community, checks and balances between roles, and most importantly the medical fun to be had in Lib overall.
I’m sure there are many more issues. But these strike me as the most prominent and I’m sure fellow medical will leave other issues down below. Thank you for your time and suggestions I hope we can fix these roles for the better!

[jolly lava]

Maybe we can have the limb setting out back in but have the timer in field doubled or something so we can do it but it’s a hassle. And maybe even make packing at CCP take longer so it makes more sense to set limbs then full pak. Which should only be done after full point cap and platoon rallying.

[zenith bridge]

I agree this could help fix certain aspects of both issues but maybe having PAKS only done at FOB/COP/PB making Banshee more of Medevac than current

[wet heart]

The issue with paking to me (not a 1-9 or banshee atm) doesn't seem fixable by just increasing times as you've already mentioned it is done after the fact. Making the time longer just means that the unit spends more time waiting for a pak rather than getting it set. If its to the point the role isn't being played as it should then the role should be restricted more be that through gameplay settings or through the SOPs. Just my opinion about it

[zenith bridge]

I definitely agree it’s not the solution on its own. Perhaps with other changes Alongside it certainly could help to adjust them up or down depending on those other changes. But even as it is now there’s what 30/40 seconds overall to fix a limb from time to IV lido to the set timer. Versus the Pak timer is 30 seconds minimum up to 300 depending on Injuries and yet poeple still have no issue going to get packed as long as the squad isn’t in an immediate gun fight but even pausing between gun fights they will go regardless.

[uncut cove]

yeah the broken limb thing is jsut a mechanic i skip as we just pack them instead its wat more efficent then setting the limb. the ability to use lidocaine and set the limb would help alot. hoenstly another hting could be just giving 1-9 a hmmv ambulance

much weaker than a m113 and less versitile, but still a mobile CCP. cause 1-9s regualrly just take command vics now in order to get around fast and also transport around the med crate so theyt can resupply

[neat cliff]

I would love to have the ability to set limbs instead of paking as Banshee and squad medics but for tasking as Banshee. As part of SOP we don't fall under 1-9 since we are a PLT asset we fall under 1-6

[neat cliff]

Alongside but not under

[zenith bridge]

“All requests must be conducted thru 39 by 1-9”

[neat cliff]

Under direct command of Platoon Leadership

[zenith bridge]

It literally says through radio 39 BY 1-9 unless unavailable then 1-6

[neat cliff]

But again that wasn't the point I was saying. I said we don't fall under 1-9 like you said. We work alongside them not under them

[zenith bridge]

No because it says under PL command and 1-9 is a PL specifically medical PL so that’s sort of self evident and even written write there

[neat cliff]

1-9 isn't PL since they don't amd the Platoon

They command the SM

But if there is no 1-6 or,1-7 it doesn't fall to 1-9 to lead the Plt. It falls on an SL

[zenith bridge]

Technically your right if there is NO 6/7 at all but otherwise

[neat cliff]

Temporary command if 6 or 7 is down. And that's only to halt the PLT

[zenith bridge]

Yes that is because 1-9 is not a full time commanding PL he’s the medical equivalent of 1-6 but I will show you this again for reference

As I am referring to the requesting of banshee aid this is the prevalent SOP line associated “through 30-39 BY x-9”

[wet heart]

needs to be clarification because it says by x-9, x-6; which would mean either/or

and if that is how they meant it to be then requests can be done by x9 and x6

[zenith bridge]

Yes of course I am simply high lighting the fact x-9 is also mentioned as he is trying to put the emphasis on 1-6 or at least that only it’s alongside not under 1-9

[neat cliff]

So Beans just told me that 1-9 is not a PL

[solar cairn]

As of my understanding, and I will edit this if the powers on high say otherwise...

• Banshee is under the command of a X-6/7
• In the event that both X-6/7 are down but are present, X-9 takes command while they are down
  (this does not mean that a X-9 can take the place of a PL if none are present)
• The meaning of "all requests must be conducted through 39 or 30" is not due to authority, it is to ensure that every tasking is filled without double tasking
• X-9 does not have authority over Banshee but Banshee doesn't have authority over 1-9
• Each work together to complete their own tasking
  (Banshee for dangerous mass-cal and 1-9 to be a dependable CCP/extra hand when available)

[neat cliff]

Also pretty sure Banshee has a wide range of autonomy due to the nature of the job. They are allowed to go to any mascas without approval of 1-9 due to the very nature of the job. If 1-9 has a request for us to go somewhere else. We can honor the request or say no. We aren't controlled by him

[solar cairn]

the tasking for 1-9 vs Banshee is mainly due to threat. There is only a single 1-9 and they are a SM commander as well as a more equipped medic so them going down has much more of an impact than a Banshee as they are a 3 man team and are typically motorized/mechanized

[neat cliff]

So when I re-read the wording. We have full autonomy as it's only if we are requested to go to a certain spot meaning we are allowed to decline if it goes against our interests, our Job, or SOP. That's pretty much the definition of requests

[wide pollen]

Banshee is under direct command of PLs

Means u will do what he says

[neat cliff]

But I mean mainly full autonomy but if an order from PL comes in we listen

I should of worded it better