#Make Phantom great again!

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toxic sable
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Let them carry TOW and 50 CAL emplacements, or maybe expand their arsenal. They now have no drones and their default sniper doesn't even consistently 1 hit. There should be a solution to making Phantoms a more versatile and useful unit.

soft gust
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A sniper team… carrying a TOW? Lol what part of a conventional army does that

mighty fractal
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Yeah nah

soft gust
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Sounds dumb(no offense) in my opinion but phantom can carry whatever they want, its not restricted in the sops, they can buy it if command approves. So they arent restricted to it

toxic sable
soft gust
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Although you would want an admin to guide you on this. But yeah you can buy emplacements if you want it and take it into your vic.

mighty fractal
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A recon unit is what I thought their primary job was, it just makes more sense to me.

soft gust
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You are a recon team, not heavy weapon squad

crimson quiver
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Yeah, to put more insight onto this - Multiple times I've headshot a russian with an m2010 and he just... got back up. 9+ shots to chest and i gave up killing someone so I just went for their head. Snipers are usually supposed to aim for center mass right? if not emplacements then a better rifle?

mighty fractal
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Wtf

crimson quiver
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Even then we aren't recon per se. We got same amount of reccy capabilites as a 1-4 SL

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ie find a hill and whip out a vector

mighty fractal
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I shoot a Russian with a SCAR 2x and he’s dead on the spot

crimson quiver
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They get knocked and get back up - no medic around too

mighty fractal
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Y’all need to up your rifle damage

crimson quiver
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Yeah hold up i'll cast a spell next time

soft gust
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Thats a game thing, phantom shouldnt be getting a machine gun emplacements lmao

rigid trout
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they're a free-fire platoon sniper and recon element dead, all they need back is a suppressed rifle variant so they can actually engage without loudly broadcasting exactly where they are
but no one who can change anything will bother looking at this thread so i will just start quoting shakespeare in large blocks to make it seem like a live discussion

crimson quiver
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we had javelins 🤷‍♂️

soft gust
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Talk to the CS

crimson quiver
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doesnt seem recon to me

toxic sable
soft gust
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Yeah well its gone now. And aint coming back

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😂

crimson quiver
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still had em

soft gust
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Someone made a bad decision and back then we werent a conventional army

crimson quiver
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so it's not an out-of-this-world idea

soft gust
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But not a logical idea

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Seems unrealistic

rigid trout
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if people are obsessed with giving them new kit, give them the deployable laser designator turret that vanilla has as it will allow improved thermals in a turret form

soft gust
rigid trout
soft gust
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It was a bad decision by the CS to implement drones or Javelin

rigid trout
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but it's marksmen so haha not going to actually get anything neat

soft gust
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Which were taken out

mossy oxide
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A lot of you weren't around when phantom was a big problem. 6 men armed to the teeth could take several points by themselves. Change happens slowly

soft gust
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^^

toxic sable
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alright that sounds reasonable

mossy oxide
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I was an avid phantom player and when certain people were online and acted within SOP's. It was the vast majority that just did whatever they wanted that caused it to be removed

crimson quiver
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Well I'm not asking for a squad of 6. Personally I'd like to see a better rifle so I can kill HVT's like grenadiers with RPGs consistently

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because god they just keep getting up

celest wraith
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Phantom as a sniper team should be near the back of every push but still in engagement range. They should be popping those troops that pin down the infantry that is moving in. they shouldn't be an OP be all end all role.
Do i miss the drone? 100%, it made 1-8 so much easier. but i do agree that they shouldnt have had it to begin with

mossy oxide
rigid trout
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it's not, given that a dozen other threads below us here are genuine discussion points with people contributing that don't get a first look at all. and we only got change by repeatedly pinging karma about stuff directly. hence leading to the general view of this suggestions forums as a place for ideas to be shot into the sun

mossy oxide
rigid trout
mossy oxide
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Just because the people that make changes aren't actively discussing with you, does not mean they're not here reading. If the proposed change doesn't happen right away there's more to consider than just "hey give this unit this piece of equipment so it'll be more fun"

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Every change implemented affects the balance of the server in one way or another. Giving X unit X thing takes Y away from Y unit

soft gust
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I can assure, every CS is actively keeping up and reading the forums.

toxic sable
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honestly i can see both points. Me personally I don't play phantom but i just wanted to start the convo maybe get some new opinions on something im not to familiar with

crimson quiver
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Disclaimer: was agreeing on the point jaxx made about the reccy element being dead. I know CS look at this stuff

crimson quiver
celest wraith
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Without breaking the server of course, is there any way to buff the damage on their guns so they don't have to head or chest something multiple times? Especially with their limited ammo they should be far more lethal than they are sometimes

crimson quiver
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Only limited ammo we got on Barrett which is an AMR

celest wraith
zealous echo
crimson quiver
zealous echo
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Had a whole brigade briefing on how to utilize a recon section in Brigade mission planning. They go first and advise so mission planning can be updated with new intel

celest wraith
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disregard my damage buff comment.

crimson quiver
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But we need permission/clearnce to use the barrett and im not gonna use my limited bullets for infantry. seems a bit overkill

celest wraith
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not sure if this is how it works (don't have my phatnom perms but will go for them when it opens again)
Does the Barret clasify as a primary weapon, or secondary like an AT stick?

crimson quiver
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Primary, switch it for the M2010

celest wraith
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so due to the ammo, possibly have it set as a secondary for phantom and limit to 1 per team. Have either AR, or a bolt sniper in field for the EI. Use the Barret the same way all other teams use the AT supplies?

crimson quiver
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we get refills every 45 mins

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from the respective phantoms crate, whether that be phantom 1s crate or phantom 2s

celest wraith
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i know, but some changes could be made. Just spitballing possible ways to make them more of a sniper/recon team that is lethal and effective in the field

soft gust
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Okay so the main argument that should be made is, AI being actively buggy and more effective rifles like barret should have more ammo?

waxen oar
# celest wraith Without breaking the server of course, is there any way to buff the damage on th...

the biggest problem itself is the AI, so obviously its noticed the AI can be spongy, but we cant make armor adjustments/etc cuz the AI in ARMA already dont react/fire/or they are completely oblivious to things around them (would be too easy)...so we could make them easier to kill but then would have to compensate and have more AI which is not the answer because that effects performance greatly, we have adjusted the accuracy of AI and that usually gets really bad feedback as well (its too difficult/not fun)

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we are always monitoring gameplay flow and make adjustments accordingly for balance and how we want the server played

celest wraith
waxen oar
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all good

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we read players feedback and talk all the time about balance

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we have done nothing but make changes almost everyday (this campaign) for balance

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we trying to bring more but keep lib still lib lol

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but balance is very very very very difficult on this very old poorly optimized game

crimson quiver
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Is there consideration for better rifles if possible? within reason of course. Phantom can't exactly aim for center mass as that is not gonna kill anything and its at least 2 headshots with .300 caliber rounds to kill one HVT

celest wraith
mossy oxide
waxen oar
mossy oxide
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@crimson quiver You hit a guy a couple days ago 9 times and he still didn't die. It was at 1500 meters but still

crimson quiver
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Appreciate it guys ❤️ Whatever comes of it I won't dispute as you know a helluva lot more than us lot

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Thats my main reference point yeah. I just gave up 🤣

waxen oar
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typically when we change something (unless somethings way out of balance) we take days seeing how the gameplay is and the various different ways something can effect or be effected and thus takes time to see real balance

sharp wren
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I know this threads a joke but the 2010 isn’t that good of a sniper rifle. It takes multiple shots like at least 3+ to keep a guy down for good. Whether it be on an emplacement or just in the field.

crimson quiver
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It was too goofy and stupidly good lol

rotund ivy
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Cheytac M200 for Phantom? Lol

crimson quiver
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Thats what I would want, would love even

broken seal
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fuck it give em javelins lul

toxic sable
crimson quiver
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Is the Spotter also supposed to have access to the SCAR-H with AP?

sharp wren
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Why wouldn’t they?

crimson quiver
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Just wondering it it was the replacement for the M14

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or intended for marksman use only

sharp wren
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Does the spotter have it?

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I’m at work so can’t look at the kit

crimson quiver
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Yeah

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It's pretty good with the AP rounds

sharp wren
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Awesome

mossy oxide
sharp wren
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did they buff teh 2010 damage?

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or just add the scar

crimson quiver
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just added SCAR. Can’t really just buff damage like that I think

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I tested the intervention earlier with its .408. Still pretty bad at killing things. It’s just the Russians have insanely beefy armour. The Scar is the best option we got all things considered currently unless there’s some AP .300 I never checked. M2010 AP would be reasonable to have if it exists I think on top of having the Scar as an option. Both have negatives and positives that each fix

rigid trout
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would have to integrate any ammo changes into karma supps since .300 wm is really bad overall and you'd either just overwrite it or add an additional ammo pick

sharp wren
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ok thanks

lucid iron
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This thread seems to be a bit dried up. Lemme help with that.
Since I am considering applying for the Phantom Perms I would really like to know as much about the Squad/Kit as possible.
Did any changes to the damage or ammo happen since the last post here? Or is it still the same old problem, only that nobody is playing phantom anymore to be effected by it?

rotund ivy
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The latest update overhauled both AI behaviour and AI health/resistance. They're much easier to kill now, even through their bodyarmor. The M2010 ammo should easily take them down in 1-2 shots.

crimson quiver
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Yeah they actually stay down on headshots. Frames improved and desync is less violent so shots are more consistent too

lucid iron
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alright, count me in! where do I have to sign? ❤️

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And thanks for the quick response

rotund ivy
lucid iron
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Yes, I've been reading all that already. Also that I need Plattonlead and TACP Perms first. But its never mentioned or linked WHERE I actually apply for those

low mica
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On the SOP page, if you click on the Permission System it will take you to the exams

rotund ivy
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Asset/non leadership perms are only open during perm waves.

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So basically whenever the admin team decides they need more permed people, announced in #📅kc_news

lucid iron
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Okay, so that means they are not accepting applications right now?

low mica
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You can take the PL and TACP exams. However Phantom exam is not available.

lucid iron
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Well, I believe there is no such thing as a "Permission System"

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on the SOP Page for the PL perm for example

low mica
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On the SOP main page

lucid iron
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aaaaaah found it

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the PL Perm doenst state it requires SL Perm, do I read that correctly?

rotund ivy
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Yes