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dusky echo
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the m.2 for windows and adobe since its a b550 with raid gen 4 support the ssd for games and the hard drives for videos and other stuff

crimson scroll
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or just get a gen 3 m.2

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that's large enough to hold the games and the os

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also those fans aren't cheap, but if you like the aesthetic there's not much other choice i guess

dusky echo
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i liked them for the rgb but as time goes on i tend to care less about rgb

crimson scroll
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you can always add another 2tb hdd if you need it

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and i'd really still change out the fans

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also you have the option of using the 5600x or nvenc on the 2070 to stream, depending on if the game is more cpu or gpu bound

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having said that, there's also the option of ditching amd entirely and going with a 11600k/10700k

deft dock
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save on fans and get a Ryzen 5600x or 5800X.
imo

crimson scroll
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without looking at local stores, the 5600x and 11600k come out to almost the same price once you add in the motherboard

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so really up to you

dusky echo
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i lowkey dont wanna leave 8 cores

dusky echo
verbal mortar
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and they're actually good

dusky echo
verbal mortar
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fair fair enough.

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I like my aesthetic all black so for me it fit really well

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the only rgb mine has is the motherboard and I have it turned off

junior cloak
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Hi Guys. I want to buy two new monitors for coding and gaming. The budget is around 600. Do you have any suggestions?

verbal mortar
junior cloak
verbal mortar
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true, look at panel type, TN is usually cheaper (and faster), IPS has the best colors and viewing angles ( in general) and VA is somewhere in between

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overal design of the monitor

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thin bezzels are nice too!

junior cloak
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ups

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does it make a difference between the different types, how well you can use the monitor for a long time without getting headaches etc?

verbal mortar
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ehhhh

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no I wouldnt say so, if any difference it would be minor

raw marsh
junior cloak
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kk

noble oak
junior cloak
noble oak
verbal mortar
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actually

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since you have a pretty big budget

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you could get one of those ultra-ultrawides

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lots of coders use them cuz its easy to have stuff next to each other yk, for example git to the left, w3schools because you forgot how to use an if() function and coding to the right

noble oak
languid hatch
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When I am upgrading from amd to Nvidia do I need to do anything with drivers or can I just plug and play

verbal mortar
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youll have to download the drivers for your graphics card off course

languid hatch
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But do I have to Uninstall the old ones

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Or something special

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Or just restart and install the new ones

dusky echo
languid hatch
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Wdym

queen violet
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Lol 5800X is considered the best oc chip of the lot, it’s Ā£350 in the U.K. right now which is a pretty great price for what you get.

queen violet
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Their is a case for high refresh rate VA and normal for second monitors tho

queen violet
queen violet
queen violet
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For most people a 5600x makes much more sense

dusky echo
queen violet
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Losing cores for gaming makes zero difference

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The only benefit of a 5800X is the clock speeds to most people

dusky echo
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thats right

verbal mortar
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its really good

dusky echo
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ngl i wish they made a 5700x

queen violet
dusky echo
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i like 7s when it comes to pc stuff

queen violet
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But a 5600x still makes more sense

queen violet
verbal mortar
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I have an IPS too

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and

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im telling you

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this TN panel is amazing

queen violet
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Really? Huh that’s, wierd

verbal mortar
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and response times are very misleading, alot of monitors are not able to deliver true 1ms response time unless you have some really weird color panel change so it works

dusky echo
verbal mortar
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and why are you choosing the 3700 exactly?

dusky echo
queen violet
verbal mortar
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agreed

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dont gt a 3700

dusky echo
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oh forgot to mention i have a thermaltake snow rgb 71 case that's why i got the three fan rad

queen violet
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Just cause it fits doesn’t mean you should lol

verbal mortar
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this thing?

queen violet
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A 360mm is beyond overkill

verbal mortar
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I mean

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I kidna get where hes coming from

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look at that case

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its massive

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if you put small hardware in there it looks really empty

queen violet
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Jesus

dusky echo
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yup that case

queen violet
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I mean, actually, keep the 360mm rad

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Change to a 5800X

verbal mortar
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šŸ˜‚

dusky echo
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lol

queen violet
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Are you planning on Overclocking ram?

dusky echo
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yup

queen violet
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Don’t get that ram

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Get the 3200mhz CL14 kit

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Trust me

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B-die

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And that psu might not be the best

dusky echo
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any other changes that you guys can bestow upon me

queen violet
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The best I know for you would be an RMx 750 watt

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For power supply

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650 would probably be fine

dusky echo
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a 5800x is like 500+ in CAD

raw marsh
verbal mortar
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Im just gasing at that case in pure disgust šŸ˜‚ idk man that thing is so massive I cant imagine how it could possibly look good if ur not custom watercooling inside of it

queen violet
dusky echo
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369.99

queen violet
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If you plan on properly Overclocking the 5600x then I could justify a 360mm

verbal mortar
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reminds me of my friend who got a massive full tower and put an itx board inside of it

dusky echo
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lol

queen violet
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140 watt 5600x is pretty hot

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But yes I would get a single 1tb nvme and the 2tb hdd

verbal mortar
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look this is a hot take here, and this makes no sense whatsover, but fill every single spot in that case with fans if it has mounts for them

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just do it

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dont listen to everyone else

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trust me

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šŸ˜

queen violet
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Or get a chiller xD

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-50oC

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Speedy 5600x

dusky echo
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i overclock a lot with this build so i know a great share i do a lot and i always learn new skills so i`ve been on adobe a lot

queen violet
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Right, well do please consider getting the 3200 cl14 kit for ram

raw marsh
queen violet
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For a 5600x you would

verbal mortar
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but Melker look at his case, it will look so tiny with a 240

queen violet
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Overclocked it’s pretty dang hot

verbal mortar
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from performence standpoint yeah its not needed

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but bigger rads never do any harm

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just means you can put the fan speed lower or get it cooler

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both is a win

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also @queen violet you should help me out tightening my timings sometime

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havent gotten to it

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also never done it b4

verbal mortar
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all I did was overclock my ram from 3600 to 4133

queen violet
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What die?

verbal mortar
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no clue

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its Corsair prx

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or plx

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the black sticks

dusky echo
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@queen violet got any ram suggestions

queen violet
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Yes

queen violet
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Is basically the best affordable kit

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Trident Z rgb 3200 cl14

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Or you can buy the neo kit 3800 cl14

raw marsh
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With a 240mm rad

queen violet
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I hit 80oC with a maxed out 5600x and a 280mm rad doing 140 watts at roughly 4.7Ghz all core

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PBO’d

dusky echo
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its $222 for that ram

queen violet
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Well, if you plan on Overclocking it’s great

verbal mortar
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not worth it though

queen violet
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But the 3600 cl16 kit will still be ok

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3600 cl16 ballistix is ok

verbal mortar
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paying 222 for 16gigs of ram is a bit sus

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ngl

queen violet
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Ye it is

verbal mortar
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even overclocked

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I paid 85eur for my 16gb

dusky echo
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i was gonna get the cl13600 and get 4 sticks

verbal mortar
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so its hard to justify 222

queen violet
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Try Ballistix 3600 cl16 or the trident z version

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Cl18 is a terrible bin

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Defo push for the cl16 if you can afford it

raw marsh
queen violet
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Multi core tho?

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Medium thread loads like games is about 70 watts 60oC ish yep

dusky echo
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crucial ballistix 3600 is nice and barely any rgb in this build so im liking it more

queen violet
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Ye it’s good for overclocking, so would defo recommend it

dusky echo
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im lowkey getting anoyed of rainbow rgb

queen violet
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Fair enough tbh

verbal mortar
queen violet
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Max airflow tho

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So temps ā¬‡ļø

dusky echo
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lol the case lowkey grew on me i dont wanna leave it

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any tips for storage

queen violet
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A single 1tb drive and 2tb hdd

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Or a single 2tb drive

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Bear in mind windows 11 and direct storage, which will have a positive impact on performance and game quality

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So an NVME for games will be a lot more useful

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So 2tb Nvme wouldn’t be a bad call

dusky echo
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any 2tb nvme in mind?

queen violet
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I mean SN850 is good

raw marsh
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But expensive

queen violet
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But £300 so not economical

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Yep

raw marsh
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It's what I'm using, very speedy but not necessary

queen violet
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Gen3 ssd’s are more than fine for most people

raw marsh
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Direct storage will hopefully make good use of gen4

queen violet
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Hopefully

dusky echo
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i read about it that's why in my older version of this build i had a gen 4 500gb for windows and adobe

queen violet
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I’m looking forward to getting my SN850 2tb later this month

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Dang crucial p2/2tb is only £180

dusky echo
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not in cad everything be up

queen violet
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SN550 is the cheapest I can find, about 260 CAD

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Obviously you could choose a gen4 1tb drive and hdd

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But with games getting even bigger, 1tb isn’t what it used to be

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Both CoD games together are like 600gb 😭

dusky echo
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i have a 1tb hdd and i hold everything on it

queen violet
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You can hold all of those on a 1tb hdd?

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Is warzone included lol

dusky echo
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yup

queen violet
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Wow, I’m actually suprised

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Guess I just have a bunch of bloat ware on mine

dusky echo
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lol

queen violet
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Well if you feel confident 1tb is enough then nothing wrong with getting a 1tb ssd and the 2tb seagate

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That way u get access to Gen4

dusky echo
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yup

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i dont know if i should get a m.2 for windows and aodbe and then a ssd for games or if i should just get a 1 or 2tb m.2

queen violet
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Better to get a single drive that 2 separate ssd’s

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Because a larger ssd will have a longer lifespan, makes file management easier, and means u have another m.2 spare for a future upgrade

dusky echo
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so double down and get a 2tb m.2

queen violet
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Either 2tb nvme
Or
1TB nvme + 2tb HDD

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They are the best options

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If you feel that 1tb will be ok for all ur main games then the 1tb + 2tb hdd is probably better

languid hatch
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If I'm going amd to Nvidia do I need to Uninstall old drivers

languid hatch
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Do you do that manually or will it do it for me

queen violet
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I’m pretty sure it’s best practise too

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DDU

dusky echo
languid hatch
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Thanks

dusky echo
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fireball just sent the one i used

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i dont really know what fans i wnat cause that might be the only thing that is rgb

queen violet
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Is the double ram intentional?

crimson scroll
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crucial p2 sucks

dusky echo
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yup want to fill the ram slots

queen violet
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Ok, in terms of compatibility and Overclocking I would get a 4x8gb kit instead of 2 kits

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I’m pretty sure the seagate 2tb is the best hdd(durability, speed) available, not sure about the WD 5400rpm

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Rest looks good

crimson scroll
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it's definitely not

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but it's fine for his purposes

dusky echo
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yeah just switched it the ballistix doesn't come in 4x8 on the sight

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what would you recommend

crimson scroll
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like i said, the seagate is fine

queen violet
crimson scroll
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it's just not the best hdd for durability and speed available

queen violet
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For a reasonable price*

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Should have said that

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Sure you could get an ironwolf pro or something like that, but might aswell get an ssd at that point tbh

crimson scroll
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i guess

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but also remember that the speeds on the hard drive will be maybe 160mb/s vs 140mb/s for 7200 vs 5400, and that's not taking into account platter density

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and also 5400 is quieter

queen violet
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True, but at such low speeds, 300 write and 250 read is quite a lot better than around 200/150 I think

crimson scroll
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so really there's not much of a difference even though higher number better

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if you're using the hard drive how you should, for storage, it literally won't matter

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there are 10tb hard drives at 5400 that are faster than 1tb drives at 7200, my platter density is referring to different sizes

crimson scroll
dusky echo
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it would be for videos and software like streamlabs steelseries gg geforce experience

crimson scroll
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they're all pretty much the same read/write

queen violet
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That’s the WD

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And I ran it on my seagate I while ago, and got 300 write 250 read

crimson scroll
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is that your WD

queen violet
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Nope

crimson scroll
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not much of a comparison then

queen violet
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Sure, but it’s a rough estimate of performance

crimson scroll
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that's also crystaldiskmark 6.0

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and you said you ran yours "a while ago"

queen violet
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Yes, but the speeds won’t be much different with version changes

crimson scroll
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you sure?

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because it may not even be the same test

queen violet
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I stand corrected it was 200 read and 200 write for the Seagate

crimson scroll
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and here's mine with actual use

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cmon now

queen violet
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Sure it’s reduced pretty heavily, and think about how much lower the WD would be too

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Either way, the seagate is faster than the WD, that was my original point

crimson scroll
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is it though

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again, not in a meaningful way

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and these tests still can't be compared

queen violet
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So if I’m right in saying the seagate has 8gb of cache/memory whereas the WD has 256mb of base cache

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Which should help with reactivity a lot

dusky echo
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any rgb fan suggestions

queen violet
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AER rgb 2’s look great, Corsair Rgb fans are good too, the Arctic rgb fans are also good

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Depends what you prefer in terms of the looks, the performance will be roughly the same, although Arctic fans tend to be slightly better

dusky echo
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@queen violet so basically the be quiet rad is good but i just seen a thermaltake rad thats 5 dollars cheaper should i get that one instead

queen violet
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Thermal take TH360?

dusky echo
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yup

queen violet
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Pretty highly rated aio so should be fine

dusky echo
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i could get this rad and three fans form them for less than 200

queen violet
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However the be quiet is refillable and non rgb

dusky echo
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a tuff decision

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they both are only one left 🄲

queen violet
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But realistically any performance difference will be negligible with a 5600x

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So it’s down to whichever one looks better

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I’ll try find the loudness for each

dusky echo
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19.8-40.5 be quiet

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28.2 thermal take

queen violet
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I would go thermaltake if those are accurate

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40 decibels is noticeable to say the least

dusky echo
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if i go with thermaltake assembly is way easier since its the same company as my case

queen violet
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Not sure that’s how it works, but if you have an integrated fan controller or other thermaltake rgb fans then yes there is a benefit

dusky echo
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true it does save me more on buying fans since all i wanted was rgb fans in the build it can be white like how the stock fans are

dusky echo
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@queen violet nvm im just gonna get the be quiet and arctic fans

queen violet
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Fair enough, the be quiet looks pretty darn cool ngl

swift galleon
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Arctic p12s are nice

dusky echo
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is the corsair vengence lpx 3200 cl 16 good?

queen violet
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If you don’t plan on Overclocking yes

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If you do want to overclock it then no

dusky echo
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@queen violet
@crimson scroll it says the power draw is less than 450 for whole build do i rly need to get a whole new psu?

crimson scroll
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what's your current one

dusky echo
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corsair 550

crimson scroll
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probably fine

dusky echo
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looks like i just saved more money

queen violet
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What 550 is it?

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Bronze TX550?

dusky echo
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cxm550

queen violet
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Might be ok but a 5600x overclocked and 3070 probably overclocked will pull a lot of power

dusky echo
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i have a 2070 rn

queen violet
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Oh ye ur looking for a 3070 aren’t you

dusky echo
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yup

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not in a rush to get a 3070

queen violet
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Well a bronze 550 might be ok

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But it’s definitely not ideal for Overclocking

dusky echo
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if anything i can just buy a better supply 2 weeks everything is just onsale rn thats why

queen violet
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Fair enough

swift galleon
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750 watts is nice for a 3070

raw marsh
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750 watts is excessive for a 3070

verbal mortar
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+1

queen violet
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650 is perfectly fine

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Unless u plan on Overclocking ur cpu, ram and whatever the hell you can find is overclockable that is xD

raw marsh
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Still enough headroom for that

queen violet
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Ram can actually draw like a solid 30-50 watts or more if oc’d high, but B die will need it’s own cooler

queen violet
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For an amd system anyway, 650 is more than enough

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You could argue that an intel system might benefit from more but that’s high end level

verbal mortar
raw marsh
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Yay...

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Forgot to stick it into google translate again

open elk
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scam

raw marsh
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Indeed

open elk
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translation so yall dont have to look it up

raw marsh
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Same gist as every other CS trade scam with a fake link then

dusky echo
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@queen violet built the pc yesterday haven’t got to try it but I will tomorrow

queen violet
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Nice!

dusky echo
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I saved so much money and got same for cheaper at a computer store

weak rose
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I have a dell optiplex 550, but i cant find like the performance boosting cards for them. Can i get help

queen violet
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Performance boosting cards? Do you mean graphics card

steady vector
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should i upgrade my i5 4590 to a i7 4790

viscid plume
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Upgrade to an better gen or u will be dead

queen violet
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Save up and try change generations

raw marsh
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You're unlikely to get an answer out of him

noble oak
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RYZEN 5 3600 175€
TOMAHAWK MAX B450 60-70€(USED BUT VERY GOOD CONDITION)
2X8GB 3000MHZ CL15 PATRIOT (77€) new

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Or to go for I5-10500-140€
Aorus B560 elite- 125€
Ram same

rapid pivot
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Ryzen imo

noble oak
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But i5-10500 have 20-30fps more

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I mean ok ty for suggest

queen violet
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I would go for the 3600, set the ram to 3200mhz. And possibly overclock the 3600 or use pbo if you have an ok cooler.

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It also means you can upgrade to a 5600x later down the line with minimal costs

queen violet
tired herald
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i have a 1050 ti 😩

sturdy comet
sturdy comet
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go 10400 + cheapest b560 board.

noble oak
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Really?

sturdy comet
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or go 11400/11500 with a b560m steel legend + gelid phantom

noble oak
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Cheap B560 have 90w locked

sturdy comet
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its a 10th gen...

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those dont even need that much.

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its only 11th gen that needs that much power lol

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also b560m steel legend is cheaper as the aorus elite

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and doesnt have any power issues .

noble oak
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kk

noble oak
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I have AsRock B560 pro4 for 95€

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Asus Prime B560m-K 100€

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Msi b560 pro 100€

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In my shop this is cheapest

noble oak
queen violet
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If you want performance I would go 11th gen, like an 11400 or 11500. Or go amd(3600)

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Both have benefits and weaknesses

south shadow
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can my GTX 1050 run with an I9 9900k

raw marsh
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Yes

queen violet
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Get some good cooling for that 9900k tho

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Maybe oc it too 🧐

dusky echo
tired herald
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idkkk

dusky echo
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šŸ˜‚

swift galleon
rapid pivot
sturdy comet
# queen violet Even a 10400f can utilise 120-150watts

and 10400f would be fine on stock. 11th gen not. not to forget that performance increase is roughly 5% with 11400f over 10400f, for a lot of money increasement aswell (about 100$ or more.) . and benefits on 3600? eh, no just none anymore, due to its price is just not even worth to consider no matter what. price to high performance to low

sturdy comet
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hard truth, brand dont give a single fk about you. they just want your money, you should get the best items in terms of price/performance wise. so you get the best item for your money

queen violet
sturdy comet
queen violet
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Well if you go b450 you can get a 5600x later down the line, over clock that and it will still be competitive

sturdy comet
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11400 is just 10% slower as the 5600x.

queen violet
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If you go 10400f your stuck with a b560 that can’t run anything like an 11600k well

sturdy comet
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doesnt matter

queen violet
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I guess I have the POV of an overclocker

sturdy comet
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11600k doesnt do much with OC anyway

queen violet
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But either way, upgrades are always something to take into consideration

queen violet
sturdy comet
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margin around 5 to 10 fps at most

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to non oc 11600k

queen violet
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Well it depends on the game, but a full cpu and ram overclock can gain u 10-15% depending on what ur doing

sturdy comet
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also, you could just go non k series (since k series on lock board.. yeah useless..) onto i7/i9 is just as big as a upgrade as just 3600 to 5600x or whatever

queen violet
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But anyway, this guy probably won’t be doing any oc’ing so a 10400f would be fine

sturdy comet
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is it ideal? no. but neither is

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you cant even oc that chip...

queen violet
lean quarry
tired herald
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sad times

stray peak
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do you guys think waiting for ddr5 is gonna be worth it

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i might build a pc when 12 gen intel comes out but im not sure if i should wait another month or a few for ddr5

static pecan
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DDR5 will be outrageously expensive compared to DDR4 and won't have a decent enough performance uplift when it launches to justify the price increase just like every other time a new gen of RAM is released. Don't wait for DDR5 to build a new system (although it may take that long to get GPUs at decent prices)

crimson scroll
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eh

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ddr5 is fine now

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performance wise

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12th gen intel is supposed to support both

molten adder
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My dumbass is still gonna buy a gpu even though it's a costs a down payment on a car

raw marsh
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Good for you. That doesn't mean it's 'cheap' for them, or anyone else.

queen violet
queen violet
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Anybody know about fans?

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Do you think 3mm of clearance is ok for an exhaust fan?

crimson scroll
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Why not

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I have less than 1mm between my cpu cooler and one of my top exhausts

queen violet
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Like if I put a fan against a wall, but 3mm away from it

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That’s fine?

crimson scroll
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Oh

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Not amazing

queen violet
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Hmmm I’m guessing it would probably negate the benefits of push pull, having such a small gap for air to escape

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The amount of positive pressure šŸ˜…

brazen wolf
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need a good cpu for OC

crimson scroll
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that's very vague

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if you just wanna OC for the fun of it, look at the 10600k

brazen wolf
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im not sure if this one would be best for OC

crimson scroll
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define "best" for oc

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again, if it's just to push the chip, i would not pick that

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there's a greater performance uplift between stock and tuned OC on intel than on amd, in general

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plus amd OC on zen 3 is mostly just pbo + undervolt

swift galleon
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Also, corsair ram issues via another server

  1. normally has a terrible bin
  2. unknown die however it normally some terribly performing die
  3. priced terribly most kits, rgb kits, will perform better for cheaper
  4. traps u in icue which is a terrible software full of issue
  5. will not be able to oc it at all most likely unless u get one of their solid b die kits but those r very rare and still overpriced
  6. the pcb is poopy
  7. many kits also fail to reach marketed speeds at xmp or have stability issues at xmp. This occurs a lot with kits that have a higher gb per dimm, high mhz, or low cl
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Also, ballistix is very much poggers

swift galleon
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the best deal at my local microcenter.. not really a good deal but they're selling 6900xts for like 2k+ and 6700 and 6800xts for like 1k so

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Still, you could probably find a rx 570 for that price 😐

swift galleon
swift galleon
#

I wouldn't get that case though

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Lancool II mesh, p400a digital, p500a, and most of the phanteks eclipse line are really good

dusky echo
queen violet
#

I agree, except the 5800x is a great overclocker

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PBO2, curve optimiser, extended limit. +200 offset

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5.05GHZ boost

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4.85-4.9GHZ sustained multi core load

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Performs better than anything

queen violet
#

Corsair don’t rly do a kit that guarantees you anything decent

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So always go Ballistix 3600cl16 B-Die, Rev E

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Or Trident Z 3200CL14 if you want B die

sturdy comet
queen violet
#

Well, depends how you get it

sturdy comet
#

just, buy it legal from official store

#

or just crack it illigal for free, gray keys are just as bad lol

queen violet
#

I’d always got for a legal but cheap key

sturdy comet
#

that isnt legal lol

queen violet
#

It’s always on discount somewhere

sturdy comet
#

it makes no sense

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if a key is from a 3th part website

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discounted on 90 to 95%

queen violet
#

I got windows pro for Ā£40. It was fully legal, just pick up a pc magazine and you’ll find a discount for windows somewhere

sturdy comet
#

how do you know it was

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you didnt buy it from official store

queen violet
#

How do I know it was legal? Well, it’s from a reputable magazine so 99% sure

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It was like 85% off

sturdy comet
#

still wouldent waste money on it tbh

queen violet
#

Just realised, since we’re getting windows 11 upgrades for free

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Will I get windows 11 pro upgrade for free?

sturdy comet
#

probably not how it works

queen violet
#

Or does everybody get windows 11 home?

sturdy comet
#

since your account is bound to it

#

the upgrade will be just activated already

#

since you already bought a key

queen violet
#

Ye, but since I have 10 pro will I get upgraded to 11 pro or 11 home?

sturdy comet
#

idk

queen violet
#

Hopefully pro, but not sure what the benefits will be

sturdy comet
#

aint gonna go win11 anyway

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dont even think my pc will support it

queen violet
#

Seeing as windows 11 is meant to be a gamer OS now

sturdy comet
#

let stand ill wait for a crack first lol

queen violet
#

Imagine if they make better performance locked to pro

queen violet
queen violet
#

Ye TPM2.0 is on like any amd motherboard this and last gen I think

sturdy comet
#

they still didnt do anything for file exploder with multiple tabs

queen violet
#

The only reason I’m getting w11 is for direct storage basically

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The extra security is nice

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But that’s about it

austere ibex
#

gpu prices are going down

devout wolf
#

cool name

devout wolf
devout wolf
#

4000 16-16-16

queen violet
#

Your’ll defo need to de-lid or get a ram cooler with such a small heatsink

devout wolf
#

it runs that at 1.4v

queen violet
#

But ye that’s not bad actually - price

queen violet
#

But tbf 4000-16 is pretty great

devout wolf
#

yeah that's one of the very very few decent kits corsair has

queen violet
#

I’d still take trident z 3200cl14 tho

devout wolf
#

mhm

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or something like patriot viper

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drops to $100-110 for 4000cl19 kits frequently

queen violet
#

Trident looks cool tho šŸ˜Ž

devout wolf
queen violet
#

But it’s pretty expensive

devout wolf
#

oloy blades were also really good

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until arshia bought their entire stock or something lol

queen violet
#

Lol, Arshia what you doin

#

That could have gone to a good home

devout wolf
#

i think he screened all the kits and sold them for a profit

queen violet
#

Fair enough

#

Atleast the buyers knew what they were getting

devout wolf
#

mhm

swift galleon
devout wolf
#

indeed

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that's not the point i was making with it though

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just saying corsair does have a consistently good kit

swift galleon
#

Ig

noble oak
#

Is a 2060 with a amd 3600 for 3k a good deal?

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8 gigs of ram

crimson scroll
#

no

static pecan
#

Absolutely terrible deal, actually

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Whoever is trying to pawn off that system for that price should be arrested tbh that's downright criminal

queen violet
noble oak
#

Yea 3k dollars. That's what i thought but was just wondering

austere ibex
#

you to

austere ibex
#

you can buy that for much cheaper

noble oak
#

Im getting this pc for 500€
I5-10400f asus B560-A
2x8gb 3600mhz Patriot Cl16
I have ssd 2x512gb kingston kc600
Gpu waiting price to go down so im not buying it
Cooler Master Mwe White V2 700w
Case Ms Titan Pro 2
And fans Artics P12 5 piece 4pins
Also cooler Be Quet Dark Pro air cooler

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Guy who was selling i5-10500 sold it :(

sturdy comet
queen violet
#

If you could get a cheap 3060 with that

#

Perfecto

noble oak
#

I will try 2080 ti to find or 3080

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Also i will get i9-11gen later for gaming

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I wanna play 4k with 200+ fps

raw marsh
#

That depends entirely on the game

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Cyberpunk 4k 200fps? Not gonna happen. CS? Sure.

sturdy comet
raw marsh
#

'terrible'

sturdy comet
#

2060s with more vram for more money

#

worth its name of terrible.

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1080 ti even being better

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for cheaper out of used market

queen violet
queen violet
#

ā€œMore vramā€ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

queen violet
# noble oak I wanna play 4k with 200+ fps

Cpu doesn’t matter at 4K especially. However because of poor smt support intel has an advantage, if you turn off smt in bios and run ur 8-10 cores at higher clocks you can get a 5-15% FPS boost depending on game settings.

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You can do the same for amd, however you won’t get an especially good gain from turning hyper-threading off

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DLSS will help a lot with 4K gaming

sturdy comet
#

it just a 2060s with more vram on top of it...

queen violet
#

A 2060 super has more vram than a 3060???

sturdy comet
#

thats literally the 3060

queen violet
#

Are you sure

sturdy comet
#

3060 has 12gb vram...

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;-;

queen violet
#

A 2060 super has 8gb

raw marsh
#

Yeah, he's saying it's a 2060 super with more vram

sturdy comet
#

^^

#

its 2060s performance with more vram slapped on top of it

#

and call it 3060

queen violet
#

Ohhhh I read it as a 2060 super has more vram šŸ˜‚

sturdy comet
#

thats it

little wedge
#

3060 is better than 2060 super

sturdy comet
#

basicly same... kekw

little wedge
#

it does rtx a little better

queen violet
#

Well it’s slightly better in games, but dlss and ray tracing will get a decent performance boost

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The vram means nothing on either card

sturdy comet
#

no one cares about RTX in terms of using ray tracing itself when it runs for jack shit

little wedge
#

yea

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well ur calling the 3060 bad

#

lol

#

thats basically what it is

queen violet
#

Ray Tracing looks great, especially with dlss

little wedge
#

2060 super with better tx

queen violet
#

Unless your playing an FPS game turn it on

little wedge
#

and for a good price

queen violet
sturdy comet
#

1080 ti >>

little wedge
#

not too much better but yeah

queen violet
#

A 1080ti for £250?

sturdy comet
#

used market kekw

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and yes, have been for that price

little wedge
#

are u dumb

sturdy comet
#

no, you are to ignorant to not willing to accept that its true

little wedge
#

yea its probs been used for years

sturdy comet
#

okay and?

#

that means literally nothing

queen violet
#

It’s Ā£460 for a 1080

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Not even a 1080ti

sturdy comet
#

you cant use todays prices

#

owh my

queen violet
#

And the U.K. is pretty good for pc components right now

little wedge
#

dont get me wrong 1080 ti is a great card

sturdy comet
#

do i have to explain that?

queen violet
little wedge
#

but ur not gonna get one thats good for 250

#

lol

sturdy comet
queen violet
#

He’s not gunna wait 3/4 of a year to get a 1080ti for a decent price

little wedge
#

for the price 3060 is amazing

sturdy comet
#

which price

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600$?

#

kekw

little wedge
#

cheaper than the 2060 super and its better

sturdy comet
#

since thats todays price

#

330$ will never come to that point as for now

little wedge
#

yea ik but were talking about msrp

sturdy comet
#

thats useless, since then we can use 1080 ti old pricing aswell

little wedge
#

like the msrp of the 3060 is cheaper than the 2060 super and its better

sturdy comet
#

which was around 250-300

#

which performs better

queen violet
#

Depends where, you lose a lot of features with a 1080ti too

sturdy comet
#

that true

#

but not to forget

#

ray tracing for example will still run terrible

#

since the cards performance is just not good enough

queen violet
#

If all people cared about was base FPS, we would all be using team red cards

little wedge
#

it wont be that bad

sturdy comet
#

like 2060 story

queen violet
#

But we aren’t

#

Why?

little wedge
#

if ur looking for 60 fps then its not bad at all

#

talking about the 3060

sturdy comet
#

since its like red team on lower budgets, lets say rx 470/570/480/580

little wedge
#

even on the 2060 rtx performance is still relatively decent depending on what settings u have and what game

sturdy comet
#

then you have 1070/ti/1080/ti

queen violet
#

The 6000 series is faster than NVidia’s offerings, simple as. But NVidia offers all rtx features, nvenc etc….

sturdy comet
#

and then we have some combining red/green teams

queen violet
#

A 3060 can do most games at 60fps 1080p ray traced

little wedge
#

yea

queen violet
#

You might have to use dlss

#

But ultra quality dlss will help with 1080p looking good

sturdy comet
#

still wouldent buy a 3060 in any situation

little wedge
#

i have a 2070 which is pretty similar to the 3060 and i can get 60 fps on all ultra 1080p on cold war

sturdy comet
#

if you really want that much to play on ray tracing or whateverr, at least get a card that can do it

#

instead of something that is not worth to buy

little wedge
#

like rtx on ultra other settings are at high to ultra

queen violet
little wedge
#

yea

queen violet
#

Oh were you not using dlss?

little wedge
#

no dlss

queen violet
#

Ahhh right

little wedge
#

also 3070 is way better than the 2070

queen violet
#

True

raw marsh
#

Lol as to be expected

little wedge
#

the thing is is that with 20 series they didnt have than many rt cores

#

so rtx isnt as good

queen violet
#

But the original point was, the guys build suited a 3060

little wedge
#

yea

queen violet
little wedge
#

they didnt

queen violet
#

But they were so much less efficient

little wedge
#

maybe

#

ill have a look

queen violet
#

2080super has like 88 rt cores

#

But a 3070 has like 40 something

#

Yes still performs better

little wedge
#

no they do have more rt cores

queen violet
#

Oops I was thinking of tensor cores

little wedge
#

yea me too

queen violet
#

For dlss

noble oak
#

So 3090 would be best?

raw marsh
#

Well... in terms of raw performance yeah

little wedge
#

3080 ti would be a little better

#

but not much

raw marsh
#

No it wouldn't

little wedge
#

it would

#

for gaming performance

#

only by a few frames

#

im pretty sure anyway

#

linus did a video on it

#

only is some games tho

raw marsh
#

Huh, maybe so then

little wedge
#

theres a few results

#

yea

#

its something to do with the vram

#

since theres less on the 3080 ti

#

i cant remember

queen violet
#

Much lower temps

#

Better for Overclocking

#

The double layer vram is stupidly hot

#

On a 3090

#

3080ti is cheaper

#

And if you overclock it’ll boost higher

little wedge
#

yes

noble oak
#

Wtf

#

How

raw marsh
#

He just explained

noble oak
#

Im reading it now

little wedge
#

ik it was something to do with over clocking

#

but i didnt know it had much lower temps

queen violet
#

Vram is on both sides, but the cooler is usually minimal on the other side, so you end up with vram hitting 90-100oC

little wedge
#

damn ok

#

i didnt know that

queen violet
#

LTT did a comparison when they reviewed the double layer water block for it

little wedge
#

yea

#

i watched it ages ago so i forgot most of the info

#

but yea i can see how that would cause thermal issues

queen violet
#

Also 3080ti sounds better šŸ˜‚

little wedge
#

lol innit

#

for productivity the 3090 would be better

#

since vram but thats all

queen violet
#

Yep

#

3090 isn’t intended for gamers

#

Even if you play at 8k you won’t need 24gb of vram

little wedge
#

yea

#

whos gonna be playing at 8k tho

#

theres like 5 people that play games at 8k

queen violet
#

Yep

#

12gb is more than enough for 4K

little wedge
#

yea

queen violet
#

8gb would be ok

#

Ngl Overclocking in this heat is pain

#

30oC ambient

#

Everything is steaming hot

little wedge
#

lol

devout wolf
#

3080ti is kinda pointless

#

the same way the 3090 is

#

it costs so much more than the 3080 while performing less than 10% better

#

but at this point it's not like you have much of a choice with what GPU you end up with

queen violet
#

It varies

#

At 4k it’s a solid difference

#

At 1080p it’s like 5%

austere ibex
#

Im getting this pc for 1000€
-I5 10400f (10th gen)
Rtx 2060
16gb ram 3200mhz
1tb ssd
512gb hdd

crimson scroll
#

whew, good thing you put (10th gen)

#

wouldn't have known otherwise

devout wolf
#

man, if only the generation was included somewhere along the naming schemes of the cpus

crimson scroll
#

doesn't seem that bad right now for 1k, it's just weird that it's a 1tb ssd and 512gb hdd

#

and two last gen parts

austere ibex
#

ye i dont know them all out of my memory

queen violet
austere ibex
#

Ye

#

Im gonna upgrade it

#

Later

mossy spear
#

whats the cheapest possible and decent gaming pc?

mossy spear
queen violet
#

Ummm what area( US, U.K. etc…)

#

And what budget? @mossy spear

#

It’s very hard to give you a ā€œcheapā€ and decent gaming pc

#

Because what is cheap to you

#

So budget is usually the easiest, if you don’t have one a general range is ok

mossy spear
queen violet
#

Any price range?

mossy spear
#

basicly under 1k?

#

shipping is like 700 dollars here or more

queen violet
#

So €1000 max

#

But preferably less

mossy spear
#

any parts that would make a decent one?

mossy spear
#

sorry my internet is bad sometimes

queen violet
#

Which country? If you prefer not so say that’s fine.

mossy spear
#

i have a place where i can pick up parts but

queen violet
#

Just makes it easier to find individual parts or pre-builds

mossy spear
#

ive only seen amd cpus

queen violet
#

Are you looking for a pre-build or build yourself?

#

Or just whatever is cheaper and better

mossy spear
mossy spear
queen violet
#

Oke

#

I’m basing the pcpartpicker list on France btw

#

Not sure how accurate it will be to you

mossy spear
#

nice spring trap pfp

#

its ok

queen violet
mossy spear
#

wait hol up i found a AMD ryzen 5 3600XT for 330 euros

#

manli nvidia GTX 1650 4gb for 420

#

a corsair airflow case 257r for 120

queen violet
#

Hmmm in France you can get a 3700x for €200

#

And a 1660 super for €430

#

But that probably won’t be accurate for you, cause every country is different

mossy spear
#

motherboard gigabyte b450 gaming x am4 for 140

#

a power supply PSU be quiet system power 9 700 w

queen violet
#

A 3600xt is pretty pointless especially for that price

#

The 1650 is very expensive for €420 too

#

What games you planning on playing?

mossy spear
#

my total with storage ram and others 1333

queen violet
#

Hmmm in Germany my total is €985

#

In France it’s €1080

#

You know what, I’ll send you the list, then you can change it to your country, if it’s too high I’ll edit it

mossy spear
#

fortnite cod gta and no at max settings i wana atleast get a smooth 60 frames thats all i ndeed

#

well if it can run fortnite or cod it can run other games like minecraft

#

msg arent coming ffs

queen violet
#

Cod will be harder to run

mossy spear
#

total is 1160 for me

queen violet
#

Ok, I’ll try change things around and see if it’s lower

mossy spear
#

the gpu is like 540

#

and the ssd

#

for 120 mby a cheaper gpu?

#

sorry the gpu is 456

#

not 540

#

u here?

queen violet
#

Do you mind if the motherboard is micro ATX(won’t fill the case fully)

queen violet
round cliff
#

can someone recommend a gpu thats like cheap and in california and can do 4K gaming at a minimum of 60 fps

queen violet
#

Anything relatively modern, 2000 series, 3000 series, 5700xt, 6000 series. All will do 4K at reasonable settings

#

NVidia cards past and including 2000 series have dlss which helps with 4K performance

queen violet
#

Any better? @mossy spear If I need to knock €30-40 off I can select a 512gb ssd

mossy spear
#

yo

#

i found one for 900

queen violet
#

A pc?

#

Can I see the specs?(im guessing it’s a prebuilt)

mossy spear
#

is i3 10 gen good?

queen violet
#

It’s ok for gaming yep

#

Might struggle in a game like Warzone

#

Which likes multi core performance

mossy spear
#

Intel Core i3-10100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor

queen violet
#

What are the other specs?

mossy spear
#

wait leme see

#

Gigabyte B460M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard

#

Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL15 Memory

#

Asus GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card

#

Cooler Master MasterWatt 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

#

NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case

#

Kingston A400 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

#

Thermaltake UX100 38.82 CFM CPU Cooler

#

what changes shall i make to lower it a bit to 850

queen violet
#

Check if their is cheaper case and motherboard

mossy spear
#

mby ram?

queen violet
#

I guess you can check the ram too

mossy spear
#

ok

#

2 sec

queen violet
#

Ram should be about €70-80 for 16gb

#

2666mhz ram is fine

#

Since your motherboard will limit you to 2666mhz anyway

strange hearth
#

Lol anyone selling 2 8gb corsair dominators

mossy spear
#

i changed case

#

i wanted to get a lian li one but this one is 50 dollars

queen violet
#

I’d go Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 or Trident Z 3200 CL14 if you want to splash out(Much higher Overclocking headroom)

mossy spear
#

€908.53

#

final prize

#

hmm

#

went with 8 ram instead

strange hearth
#

I want four as a set and I want to fill the rest of my slots

queen violet
#

Especially if you want to play games like Cod

mossy spear
#

how much ram u have?

queen violet
#

16gb

#

16gb is the ideal amount, it’s pretty budget, but is enough for any game

#

8gb can start to run out very quickly

mossy spear
#

is 250 w alright?

mossy spear
#

i *

queen violet
queen violet
#

You might struggle to play cod tho

mossy spear
#

np low graphics are my best friend

#

lmao

queen violet
#

I’ve never really seen a 250 watt power supply, and they are usually bombs when really cheap

#

So I’m guessing you mean the pcpartpicker power draw

mossy spear
#

only the case

queen violet
#

Huh?

#

Oh you have to pick a case?

mossy spear
#

wait what

queen violet
mossy spear
#

why didnt my msg send

#

i said theres nothing avalible on amazon

queen violet
#

For a case?

#

Your message got removed because you used to many capitals^^

mossy spear
#

oh

#

yeah nothing is on amazon

queen violet
#

If you use pcpartpicker you could probably find a decent deal from another website in your area

mossy spear
#

i gtg now thanks for ur help c ya tmr

queen violet
#

Np man, cya

mossy spear
#

and nothing showed up

mossy spear
#

Estimated Wattage: 250W

strange hearth
#

@queen violet i have 16 i forgot they are 8gb each

mossy spear
#

guys is the Intel Core i3-10100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor a good cpu?

crimson scroll
#

at the right price, it's decent

mossy spear
#

shall i get a i5 7 or 6 gen?

crimson scroll
#

that's kinda vague

#

also those are old

mossy spear
#

yeah but i see my friends pc run smothely with it

#

he has a 750 nvidia something 8 ram 800 storage andan i5 7 gen

#

cuz i want a cheap but good pc like 800 euros

#

what about the Asus GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card?

#

idk what to pick man

#

ive seen a super nice pree build but shipping is like 700 dollars :(

#

thats like 5 i3 cpus

queen violet
#

I’d probably prefer an I5-10400f in a build for €800

#

And 16gb of ram, but GpU prices mean a card that should be €200 max is €350

#

So you lose a lot of budget and freedoms like that now

queen violet
mortal rain
#

Hey sorry new to pc gaming, was looking at steelseries website and it sent me here not to technically tech savvy just moved from working and living in rural Western Australia cattle station as a farm hand and getting ready to study in the big smoke of syd one of me mates told me to build a pc i am used to building Utes fences and any thing other then computers, just a cowboy not tech savvy someone help

raw marsh
#

What

queen violet
#

Building a pc itself is usually a pretty easy job.

#

There is a reason it’s called adult Lego

#

I’m guessing your wondering about parts?

mortal rain
#

Yah nah yah pretty much

#

Like I ordered a ready to run pc do i have to put the thing together?

queen violet
#

Oh you’ve already bought one

#

Can we see what you bought?

mortal rain
#

Yeah how do i do that

queen violet
#

Photo, link etc…

mortal rain
#

Take a picture of it

#

Can I send link? Or will i get kicked

queen violet
#

Shouldn’t get warned or kicked

#

It’s the correct channel, I send links for pcpartpicker here all the time

half fable
#

You can send either as long as it's related to the topic :]

mortal rain
#

That’s it

raw marsh
mortal rain
#

Thank goodness

queen violet
#

$1899 dollars seems high tho?

raw marsh
#

Yeah it does

queen violet
#

Actually it’s not too bad

#

It’s about Ā£1000

raw marsh
#

Oh, AUD?

queen violet
#

I forgot the exchange rate for a sec

queen violet
raw marsh
#

Right

mortal rain
#

Bro I don’t know what i was getting my room mate was like you need a pc and he sent me the link

#

Yeah

queen violet
#

For Ā£1000 it’s high but in the current climate that’s not too bad

#

Should get whatever your using it for done pretty well

mortal rain
#

Idk what keyboard and mouse and monitor i have a benq

raw marsh
#

Looking for something from steelseries then?

mortal rain
#

Yeah

raw marsh
#

Any criteria?

#

Numpad, switches etc

queen violet
#

Apex 7 TKL is very nice, but if you need cheaper Apex 5 is also good

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Do you know the difference between switches? We can explain if you don’t

mortal rain
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Idk brother first time gaming on a pc I don’t want low end stuff more mid to high range

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What do you think

queen violet
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Pc is a solid mid-ranger

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So Apex 7 would be nice if you want non blue switches

mortal rain
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Is there a point in getting the best with a mid range pc

raw marsh
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Might be for you

queen violet
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But it all depends on what switch types you prefer. Blue being loud clicky keys which have a noticeable bump when pressing. Red being quieter and no bump, or Brown being clicky but less of a bump and slightly quieter than blues

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If that makes any sense

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Most people prefer blues or browns for typing, and reds or browns for gaming

raw marsh
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None of them will be especially quiet due to the construction of the board itself

mortal rain
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Like i have been playing on my side girl’s, brothers pc on the down low and there pretty cashed up

queen violet
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Easiest way to check what switches you prefer is to go to a hardware shop and ask if you can test switches

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If you can’t do that, then its kinda what your use is

raw marsh
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Always a good idea, or buy a switch tester if there isn't a store near you

queen violet
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Brown’s are a safe bet, but if you don’t like the clickiness of keyboards you’ve tried go red’s

mortal rain
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Idk i am new to the city

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Where do i find switch tester

raw marsh
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Online

queen violet
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Amazon etc…

mortal rain
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Buy one ?

queen violet
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Or that same company you bought ur pc from if they have it

raw marsh
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They won't have any

queen violet
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Ye they are quite cheap, it’s better to spend Ā£10-15 on a tester and get the right keyboard than get a Ā£100+ keyboard and not like the switches when you get it

mortal rain
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I just want to know what keyboard and mouse to get I don’t want a lower end keyboard more mid to higher keyboard and mouse

raw marsh
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It's completely up to pref1pref2pref3 so it's hard to say

queen violet
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We can’t really tell you what mouse and keyboard to get

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It’s purely what suits your hand position

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And what feels good to you

raw marsh
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Apex 7 with reds and a prime mouse (wired or wireless) would be a safe bet. Return them if you hate them.

mortal rain
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Okay sounds like try and error

raw marsh
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Pretty much. Difficult to say exactly what you want if you haven't tried anything similar before.

queen violet
mortal rain
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Apex 7 is that ipx

raw marsh
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Waterproof? No.

queen violet
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It might be water-resistant to an extent, but if you run it while wet it’ll most likely die

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So if it gets wet unplug and don’t plug it back in for a good day or 2

mortal rain
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Going to get Apex pro and RIVAL 650 WIRELESS i got a mouse pad should i get a new one and cables hurt my head how do i organise them

raw marsh
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I can't say if you should get a new mousepad when I know nothing about your old one

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Cable managing the apex lineup is hard because they use a thick non detachable cable. The cleanest route is to drill a hole in your desk and route is down, otherwise there's not much you can do.

queen violet
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Apex pro is a safe bet because it can basically imitate most switches