💻-building-a-pc

[lusty hinge]

its a bloody membrane keyboard

if someone is asking for good keyboards suggestions i guarantee you they do not want to be recommended membrane garbage

[sterile hawk]

british

[sterile hawk]

man i don’t know what even is a membrane

[lusty hinge]

id rather be british than buy a membrane keyboard LMFAO

[sterile hawk]

i mean most play at 3 am

[lusty hinge]

if you dont even know what membrane is how do you intend on suggesting good keyboards

[lusty hinge]

???? wheres your source for this

what does that have to do with anything

[sterile hawk]

quiet

[lusty hinge]

no one cares if its quiet if its an awful keyboard

??

its membrane

[sterile hawk]

ok

that’s your opinion

have a nice day

[pulsar fossil]

Believe it or not but there's actually people who prefer it over a mechanical keyboard
That doesn't make them wrong or bad, you just don't agree with them

[lusty hinge]

just use your normal keyboard LOL not everyone needs to be dead silent all the time

if someones coming asking for a good keyboard suggestion i guarantee you 999/1000 times they wanbt a mech/HE

apex 3 isnt even a good membrane keyboard

so id argue theyre still wrong regardless

[pulsar fossil]

I had a coworker who loved it above every single keyboard we had

[lusty hinge]

but it doesnt matter anyway

[pulsar fossil]

Which is a lot

[lament badge]

I don't play at 3 am anyways

[lament badge]

the snap back is crazy 😭😭

but yea I'm never buying a membrane keyboard

so happy with this case

[lusty hinge]

nv7?

[lament badge]

3500x

does look like an nv7 though

[noble oak]

Lemokey p1 pro. Trust me this thing is amazing

https://www.lemokey.com/products/lemokey-p1-qmk-via-custom-gaming-keyboard

120 bucks for this is a steal

It sounds decent tio

Too

[lusty hinge]

lemokey is keychrons worst lineup no?

[noble oak]

Not worst? Just cheaper than all the others. Imo its definitely better because it has basically the same specs and feels better

I have it myself and i prefer it over the Qmax series tbh

Or whatever they call it

[lusty hinge]

q max series is aluminium no?

bit of an interesting take thats for sure

although fair enough

tbh if you were to go keychron

id just go for this https://www.keychron.com/collections/keychron-v-max-series-keyboard/products/keychron-v4-max-qmk-via-wireless-custom-mechanical-keyboard

its cheaper and is actually the size he wants

[noble oak]

Didnt saw the size part mb

[lusty hinge]

lol its fine i just figured id add to the convo

[dreamy edge]

Making the switch to am5 this weekend got everything tho

[pulsar fossil]

Nice! I recently did the same 😄

[lusty hinge]

am5 jumpscare

lga1700 is king (i have a b650m pro rs)

[dreamy edge]

tf is that

[lusty hinge]

a.. motherboard

or if youre referring to lga1700, its a socket

[dreamy edge]

oh ok the naming is wierd

[lusty hinge]

lga1700 is intels 12-14th gen socket
b650m pro rs is a motherboard for am5

[dreamy edge]

ah ok thank you

[lament badge]

can somebody explain the am5 naming scheme

i am still confused about it

[grave cipher]

whats confusing

[lament badge]

the numbers arent even

[grave cipher]

what

[lament badge]

i am used to am4 because most of them are just a number and then 50

[grave cipher]

?

[lament badge]

b550

b450

[grave cipher]

thats not changed?

[lament badge]

they're the same?

[grave cipher]

yea?

[lament badge]

oh

i keep seeing only x870

[grave cipher]

am4 had 70 boards

X370 X470 X570

[lament badge]

what would you say is a high spec am5 board

[grave cipher]

anything that looks like its not just bare minimum to meet base spec for a am5 board

its pretty straight forward like that

you have literal junk and then B6/850s

and then stupid overspending X6/870s

[lament badge]

when i switch to am5 i want to get a decent white one

[grave cipher]

define "decent"

[lament badge]

one that doesnt look barebones like the steel legend am4 mobo

like there's a steel legend one but the colors are ugly

[grave cipher]

pro RS

[lusty hinge]

x870 pro rs is hot

[lusty hinge]

almost nothing has changed
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html
with the newest ones, they dropped the "a520/620" and have gone to "b840"
obviously done to be misleading and make it appear better than it actually is. no one would want an a820! but a b840? maayyybe

still doesnt matter cuz half of am5 will run on literally anything and everything

other than that its all identical

[lament badge]

thank you lisquie

is there hole covers i could buy for the 3500x

like how it is on the o11 vision

to cover these cable holes

[lusty hinge]

probably

[lusty hinge]

check aliexpress

[sterile hawk]

I plan to build another PC and i have a question, which is the better CPU the 9900X or the 7800X3D?

[lusty hinge]

for what

[sterile hawk]

1080p gaming

[lusty hinge]

7800x3d would be better

but its probably more worthwhile getting a cheaper cpu anda better monitor

[sterile hawk]

the 7800X3D is cheaper so ima get that

[lusty hinge]

i meant something more like a 7600

but enjoy

[lament badge]

"cable grommets for corsair 3500x" ??

it looks like the ones on the 6500 are the same dimensions

there's no rectangular ones

[lusty hinge]

shame

now jist buy random crap on aliexpress

"car accessories" and filter by cheapest

im sure thatd bring something up

[sterile hawk]

wait why can i buy a 9070?

https://www.amazon.pl/Sapphire-NITRO-RADEONTM-9070-GAMING/dp/B0DRPQPQQC/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2XM4ZPYWC23JJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Ni4vAVD3PJXsQXXYgXVi7-M2zxI_JGWJfWm8Shp6rLpIAWuivIQlHUWkx_ZF79Phue01dqYay_VEhK-qaJODj3jid5Eyfq8pihW8S9jOq2cxAMH6eoiaw0r-D5G5PG7Uo6a5pPdOS957TAkhzeOEJfrj2BvBIhh8JjtSRCR80043I6ZX_YnuWMJ_SfPQUf5lELQFSoxKJDIUurSbspoHVJXo6p-Jw-Mc5CyQWMOtK28YxjCe6o7QWsxebMBwXlGzGV8XvHeKbOnjLst_phc8kBvD6Ksie6JnyVIdGDKvmmars5zzYRfb58SgKTpQg3raL4Dxgj0DOPlHchsasI3Q1OAmgwJYx_46id1roPrVDWY7FuriQAsFbtsZPt24JLTySiSvyQz6Rx0RGhdg0qQEs1i-PoOW68bg2ycvTh6sxPPwvYrDS3wVE0IAuEVtoD6T.UOCXE4DVeNzArf7taFynVde2w5XDPdn1rv_5_bCGhKc&dib_tag=se&keywords=rx+9070&qid=1740828080&sprefix=9070%2Caps%2C110&sr=8-2

[grave cipher]

Don't buy a 9070 lol

[opaque moon]

will this be loud?

they also got apex pro mini

i also saw a white tkl logitech one

[radiant portal]

how do i get rapid trigger on

[weary coral]

You can turn it on for Apex Pro keyboards in Steelseries Engine

[lusty hinge]

probably yeah

its a bad keyboard

plastic

same with the apex pro mini

are you absolutely unable to purchase online

[lusty hinge]

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Mechanical-Aluminium-Bluetooth-Swappable/dp/B0D1FXCD7C
SK65 is available on amazon so i have no idea why you wouldnt go for it. its actually well built.
if its too loud for you stock, try lubing switches, removing pe film, or adding extra foam. or just film your switches, or replace them for other alternatives (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007459638140.html)

personally i liked Silent Lemon, but theyre not as popular because theyre tactile. i later opted for HMX Sakura https://www.mechmods.co.uk/collections/keyboard-switches/products/hmx-silent-sakura

if you want to try switches out, Milktooth is a great choice in the US.
https://milktooth.com/products/switches/silent-sakura-53g
https://milktooth.com/

they carry a ton of switches in sizes that you often cant even purchase from retailers

if you ask me, the best silent switches are the TTC Frozen Silent V2

https://milktooth.com/products/switches/silent-frozen

its worth noting, despite what a lot of people will tell you, all linears are the same. regardless of weight. it doesnt matter.

theyre the same

[lament badge]

i can but i dont like waiting long

thats why i bought a ton of stuff from best buy

[lament badge]

i usually just use black switches

that is clean though

ill probably order that

right now im using a red dragon k630 with custom keycaps and jelly black

[lusty hinge]

yeah thats grim

[short falcon]

My first gaming PC What is your opinion?

[opaque moon]

lisquie

I sent a screenshot of that keyboard to my friend said "it's only good for noise not latency "

imma watch a video on it actually

cuz I do like that dial

[opaque moon]

if i buy that keyboard is there any switches you could recommend

quiet and fast with RGB

[grave cipher]

💀

[lusty hinge]

switches dont have rgb

i already suggested several though

read down from here - #💻-building-a-pc message

TTC frozen silent v2 will have the best lighting support though cuz theyre completely clear

[lusty hinge]

[opaque moon]

yea I mean clear for the light to shine through

one time I accidentally bought non clear cherry red replacements on an rgb keyboard

[lament badge]

yea this is what im talking about

[lusty hinge]

does he know why

or is he just saying no because he thinks he knows

for $90 its easily the best mechanical ~60% youll get

the Made68 Pro is $60 more, if youre interested - https://www.melgeek.com/products/made68-pro
but its plastic (ewwww) and is hall effect (sounds awful)

[lament badge]

the borders on the k65 are metal right

the casing**

[lusty hinge]

all of it is

aluminium

the entire housing is alu

[lament badge]

alright ill order it

[lusty hinge]

why do you use 2 accounts lol

[opaque moon]

one on my phone one on my pc

this was my main account until I made that one

[lusty hinge]

why not just log ion

[opaque moon]

and I had to help manage a server this account has perms so I stayed logged in

[opaque moon]

because the other one is new and I'm still not in every server

i suppose if it's an issue i could just leave on this one

[lusty hinge]

no just curious lol

[lament badge]

it was MSI center LMAO

i bought a whole new argb controller just for it to be an app

[opaque moon]

these white ones are so clean

[calm mortar]

Hello guys i have a problem if anyone knows how to fix it please let me know

So yesterday i opened a game and my screen froze and turned black i freaked out and instead of useing the command cntrl shift windows b
I shut down the pc by the button after that I turned on my pc and the screen stayed black and its like the pc wont recognize the gpu i tried to plug the display port to the motherboard and it worked the gpu still work I guess because the gpu fans works and when the pc is off the red light is there asus gpu and my psu is 1000w so its not psu problem im about to cry idk what to do

[lusty hinge]

https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP-2B14Nckw&t=83s

use your iGP

[calm mortar]

Thx you hope it works

I even formatted the pc 😢

[lusty hinge]

formatted how

[calm mortar]

Reinstalled windows and uninstalled everything

From settings recovery section

Im in a online class once it’s finished i will do the video and tell you the results

[lusty hinge]

you should ideally use a USB and fresh install windows from that USB

instead of the built in reinstall system

but its fine

try DDU and update here

[calm mortar]

I do have a usb with windows 11

But yeah i didnt use it

[opaque moon]

DDU didn't fix that issue for me

[calm mortar]

Yeah i just finished it’s still there

I am reinstalling windows with the usb right now hope it works

[calm mortar]

Do you have any idea that can fix it?

[lament badge]

i guess it could also be ram

what gpu do you have

[calm mortar]

Asus 4070 super

If it was the ram when i plugged the display port into the motherboard it wouldn’t show anything but it was working

[lament badge]

the dual fan or the triple fan

[calm mortar]

Dual

[calm mortar]

Soo good news or no news

[opaque moon]

did you try the ddu thing yet?

try the ddu first if you haven't

if that doesn't work it might not be a driver issue

[calm mortar]

Yeah i did try

[calm mortar]

Is this a problem ?

[lusty hinge]

you realise a simple phoyo would have been easier than a video that takes forever to focus

i assume youre on about the one trace thats slightly shorter than the others

this one

[calm mortar]

Ok i will take a photo

Ok you did

[lusty hinge]

is that what youre on about

[calm mortar]

Yeah

I tried software problems but its not

[lusty hinge]

no thats how its supposed to be

have you done DDU yet

[calm mortar]

I did

Nothing changed

Any other slotion

[opaque moon]

panicking gonna make is worse bro

lisquie I got the keyboard

bottom one

[calm mortar]

W mouse btw

[opaque moon]

reseat your ram, make sure everything is fully plugged in on mobo and Psu side (pcie, cpu power, 24pin, hdd cables)

if it's not booting try it with one ram stick

if it isn't booting at all try it without the gpu

[pulsar fossil]

I'm curious, is it a choice or a lack of a choice that your photos has the "S21" branding on it? :D

[opaque moon]

I post pictures sometimes and I want people knowing what phone I'm using

I could turn it off if I ever need

[pulsar fossil]

Fair enough

[calm mortar]

No hdd m.2 on psu side i just made sure everything was plugged properly

Ima try

[lusty hinge]

hot

[calm mortar]

I tried with hdmi instead of display port it worked

But why

The display port was working in motherboard

[opaque moon]

what are the binds

for turning it on and stuff

backspace key isn't working

[lament badge]

yea the backspace key isnt working at all

i bined it to a different action and it still isnt responding

[opaque moon]

one of the alt keys is bright red

despite me switching the lights in the app

[lusty hinge]

no idea
should be in the manual. i can send it in a moment

https://womierkeyboard.com/pages/manuals

[opaque moon]

it shipped with a broken switch on the backspace key

[lusty hinge]

lol no way

take it out

it should have come with spares iirc

just replace it

[opaque moon]

updated bios
ran DDU program
reseated ram
made sure all wires are plugged in
temps aren't high
rebuilt it

and my screens are still blacking out, fans are still ramping up

might have to RMA it

like I honestly don't have any clue what to do anymore

[opaque moon]

it only happens on games so it's gotta be the gpu

[opaque moon]

i got the wrong color anyways bro im just gonna return it and get the white and gray one

if I get another defective switch I can always use one of my akko blacks I got a whole set of them rotting in my closet

W keyboard suggestion though 🙏🙏

getting a keyboard with an actual good casing is so much better than the cheap plastic red dragon uses

[lusty hinge]

of course

its like heaven

money is actually well spent ☺️

[sterile hawk]

wait what

since when did the 8070 come out?????????????????

[rose bough]

AMD is being stupid and naming their cards like NVIDIA.

I'm also fairly certain that's a typo because there is no 8070 that I'm aware of

There's a 9070

But no 8070

[sterile hawk]

But it kinda makes sense cuz the 9070 competes with the 5070 and the xt with the Ti

[rose bough]

(Pretty sure AMD rebranded the 8800 into the 9070 as a jab at NVIDIA.)

[rose bough]

Oh I know why. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

[sterile hawk]

I mean it kinda blocks nVidia in a couple years From making the 9070ti

[rose bough]

Not really.

[sterile hawk]

And the normal one

It is Just my thoughts on it

[rose bough]

RX 9070 is not the same as RTX (or whatever it will be by then) 9070.

We're also 4 generations off from that.

[mild ore]

my steelseries software is just closing randomlyu how to fix

[sterile hawk]

But Old people will get confused anyways

[rose bough]

#1047622297382567936

[pale sage]

First build

Asus Rog Strix X870-A
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
Lian Li Hydroshift LCD 360S
Kingston FURY 64 GB (2 x 32 GB)
Western Digital WD_Black 2 TB M.2-2280
Western Digital WD_BLACK 10 TB 3.5
Zotac GAMING SOLID OC GeForce RTX 5080
NZXT H6 Flow ATX
MSI MAG A750GL

[lusty hinge]

it didnt

thats not an AI

thats just an LLM

[sterile hawk]

is just a joke

[lusty hinge]

they said it was to align with competitor naming schemes so that the cards are more easily recognisable.

so yeah lol

[opaque moon]

I thought it was meant for matching with the cpu naming lines

like 9k on both card and cpu

[lusty hinge]

if that was the case they wouldnt have moved the 2nd number to the 3rd spot

[opaque moon]

imagine they switch the cpu naming to the gpu one 😭😭

[opaque moon]

looks good, what's that white cable in the gpu?

[lusty hinge]

knowing zotac its probably an argb adapter

or just fan power

[pale sage]

It’s RGB apparently Zotac now puts RGB and their GPU. I’m trying to figure out if I can run the GPU without the RGB right now. I’ve been doing some research about it cause I just find the RGB tacky in the GPU

[lusty hinge]

told you

[lusty hinge]

zotac uses proprietary software
i think its called like firestorm or something

should be able to disable it

[pale sage]

It’s fire storm I can disable it through there. But I would really prefer to not have that cable sticking out. It’s in an awkward ass spot on the GPU. I just don’t like the cable as well.

[pulsar fossil]

Speaking of Zotac, @lusty hinge did you know that they made a computer with a built-in pod based coffee maker?

😅

Not exactly a powerful machine at that size but still fun

[lusty hinge]

zotac moment

[clear flame]

Ryzen 9 7900X
RTX 4060 128pin 8gb
DDR5 5600GHZ 32GB
Asrock B650 PRO

[opaque moon]

kinda looks like a ps5 😭😭

from the front atleast

[pulsar fossil]

I see what you mean just slightly less ugly 😅

[lusty hinge]

🤤🤤

[lusty hinge]

Black (translated from Croatian)

• Dismiss

[opaque moon]

what??

[lusty hinge]

someone was spamming

[opaque moon]

how do I get rid if this single red key

[lusty hinge]

is it a charging indicator?

or fn lock?

try CTRL FN

[opaque moon]

I'll try it later today

parents probably don't wanna hear a jet at 3 am

[vital heath]

wie hast du eigtl das türkise in der infokurve hingekriegt? hab geguckt und nix gefunden ^^

[lusty hinge]

if im on the right manual, its the charging light

so hopefully it just goes when its charged

[opaque moon]

könnte an den Farbeinstellungen liegen

[opaque moon]

i was hoping it wasn't a broken LED

[lusty hinge]

nah it wouldnt be

same place twice brand new? incredibly unlucky

[opaque moon]

I'm not gonna use it wireless is there a way to just turn it off

[lusty hinge]

letting it charge hopefully

[opaque moon]

alright

[opaque moon]

lisquie is this keyboard supported in signal rgb

[lusty hinge]

uhhh no idea

not many are tbh

[lament badge]

the red light is gone

[lusty hinge]

nice

[lament badge]

I need a white desk 😭

[lusty hinge]

why isnt your monitor centred

[lament badge]

that ocd probably going crazy

I used it at an angle for so long I got used to it

[lusty hinge]

freaky

although i do the same kinda lol

not nearly as bad though

my stuff is just off centred a bit so i have to move a little bit further right to be in the centre of my main monitor

if i sit in the middle where you would expect im on the far left of my monitor

its kinda annoying because it means i lose mouse space if i sit on the right but tbh id rather that than have to redo my setup again

[lament badge]

yea i have to have my chair on a left side bias or ill have little mouse room

i wanna get a flat monitor though and use this one for a simrig later on

i want to do a flat monitor in the middle slightly tilted up with a mount then there would be a second vertical monitor on the left for media

but i need to buy a new desk before any of that

[lusty hinge]

wow

[lament badge]

how do I RMA my gpu to asrock

[lusty hinge]

call em

[lament badge]

i just sent them an email

it said to send an email to their us support with all of the specs

[lament badge]

alright so I gotta get a receipt from newegg and send a jpg then I can rma it

[lament badge]

how come I've never seen this until now

[lusty hinge]

the aio 6900xt? cuz its stupid

[grave cipher]

its only stupid for normies

many gains from water but only on oc

[lusty hinge]

no nono its stupid

[lament badge]

I've genuinely never understood to buy an aio or loop for a gpu

mine hardly ever goes above 62c

[lusty hinge]

youll only really find water blocks for the top end cards
and even then theyre not necessarily mostly just the people who think it looks cool, or the people who want to push 20000w through an xtx to barely match a 4090

[lament badge]

mostly on nvidia cards

do you guys think the 9050xt will come with an encoder

[lusty hinge]

i hope the 9050xt never exists

[lament badge]

think one got leaked

[lusty hinge]

but no probably not

[lament badge]

9050 or 9050xt

[lament badge]

I had the last 500xt series

it was so bad

4gb of Vram and no encoder 💔💔

[lusty hinge]

🥀

[lament badge]

too mainstream

🪫🪫

[lusty hinge]

🏤🏤 is my trademark

[lament badge]

what Even is that

Coffee sh[[m

shop

[lusty hinge]

european post office

[lament badge]

oh I don't live in Europe

so glad I'm not British

we ARE eating Beans on toast 💔💔

[lusty hinge]

🥀🥀

[grave cipher]

"actually it beats the sh1t out of a 4090" ☝️ 🤓

[grave cipher]

yea I imagine binning got to that point where the encoder was a major decider as to if the silicon was dumpster'd or not

[lament badge]

6500xt is a roblox gpu

display port adapter for PCIE 💔💔

[grave cipher]

gt 1030 ddr4 is display adaptor

6500 is trash tier but still 1.25x a 1650

[lament badge]

dude

I went from 1650 mobile

to an rx580

then 6500xt 💔💔

[grave cipher]

have you considered not side grading?

[lament badge]

HORRIBle upgrade chart bro

[grave cipher]

you basically went from trash to even more trash to even more trash

and they all perform the same

[lament badge]

I have a 7700xt with no driver issues

[lament badge]

rx 580 was def the best

there's only a few things the 6500xt does better like Mrender

[lament badge]

speedu this is why u my goat bro ❤️❤️

[grave cipher]

the interesting thing is that the 6500 was meant to be a silicon shortage card (i.e cheapo card that people could buy in the meantime) but we definitely still had enough Vram chips

so the 4Gb thing was just so you'd be forced to upgrade from it at some point instead of being able to actually use it long term

[lament badge]

that's the only reason i got the 6500xt

there was literally nothing else

Hopefully AMD learns from this
-# they wont

[lusty hinge]

@grave cipher c750 2022 installed

[grave cipher]

Girl what😭

[lusty hinge]

you heard.

[stray prawn]

Сосо

[lusty hinge]

replaced a cv550 because idk something about having what is basically an IED running doesnt seem smart

[lucid dove]

which gpu do u rec for 1440p?¿

[pulsar fossil]

Depends on your needs and budget

I'm enjoying using a 4080 for it but I know it's kinda pricy

[lucid dove]

yeah it is. like, anything will be an improvement tho, i currently have rx 580 xD so i was thinking about rx 7600 or 7700. 7900 is a bit expensive too

and 4070 is also expensive

[woeful thunder]

My RTX4070 Super runs Destiny 2 with all details on 3440x1440 and HDR with 100 FPS+ - usually hits the maximum refresh rate my monitor can handle. I also have a RTX4060 (Notebook) I only run in Full-HD and it hits the maximum FPS of 165 of the notebook screen there...
...so for my purpose those cards are just perfect but your milage might vary. The AMD GPUs with similar performance were more expensive last autumn when I bought the RTX4070 Super - at least in Germany.

[lucid dove]

which amd gpu performs as good as 4070?

[woeful thunder]

I used this as a first indication: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

I selected cards above 30000 score and there simply wasn't one good card from AMD below 1000€.

[lucid dove]

7700xt is below 500€ and i think it is good

[lament badge]

7700xt works for 1440p but if you're trying to play on max / ultra then I'd go for a better card

especially for raytracing

7700xt is perfect for 1440p if you're not looking for game quality

[lusty hinge]

using scores from passmark doesnt make sense because it doesnt reflect actual gaming performance

[grave cipher]

6750XT should of been on that graph

its basically into +1% of a 3070

shows what that card is actually about (the 7700XT)

[lusty hinge]

idk why it isnt

usually is

[lucid dove]

even if 7600xt or 7700xt cant run 1440p on ultra all games, is worth buying a gpu that can? i mean

dlss or fsr use to provide better graphics when upscaling

so i am not sure i understand the point of having the most powerfull gpu

AI is there to be used

so if i wanna run something at 1440p full settings, and gpu cant handle it, i just go fhd and upscale with ai, no?

[lament badge]

bro‼️‼️

1440p medium settings = 7700xt / 4070

1440p high ultra - 7900 / 4080 (if you can afford one 😭😭)

if you want RAYTRACING get a green card

team green

if you want something midrange that doesn't break the bank get a team red card

personally I think youll be fine with a 7700xt

[lament badge]

is FSR even worth using

I've used AMD cards for the majority of my life and I've never found a use for it

[loud thunder]

yo is there any super smart people in here that know pcs

i installed my 16gb of ram

but in specs it says i have 15.82

what does this mean

[abstract spade]

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/i-have-16gbs-but-only-15-4gb-is-usable.2539788/

[lament badge]

i installed 32 and only got 31.9

ram can be a little devious sometimes

[grave cipher]

Well ideally you want the best graphical output in which you don't use upscaling

The upscalers are definitely not as good vs like native msaa

Even native taa can be better it just depends on implementation of dlss

Even TN is still susceptible to ghosting and loss of detail in certain aspects

[lucid dove]

mmm

[lusty hinge]

some is reserved by your system for your hardware

if you want to see your exact amount, for whatever reason, go to misinfo32 / system info (theyre the same thing) and just look for your ram capacity

[lusty hinge]

its intentional

kinda like how both of these 2TB ssds are not only not 2TB, but also arent even the same capacity

[loud thunder]

thank you all

much appreciated

[loud thunder]

oh i see

so some of my ram is just designated to hardware?

and theres nothing to worry about?

[lusty hinge]

yeah

theres no reason to worry about it

[loud thunder]

okay thank you

[lusty hinge]

❤️

[lament badge]

red dragon case 💔💔

[lusty hinge]

wow those fans look horrid

makes sense cuz they already exist

and are indeed horrid

[fringe flax]

I spent 3 days trying to put together a decent build per my budget. In the end I realized I wasted time since weather here includes 🌪️+🌀hurricanes. 2 great builds fubar due to bad weather last 2 years.

Ended up being gifted OEM custom built 💻

[woeful thunder]

Hence why I said "First indication". Could you provide a Link to your source?

[lament badge]

pass mark biggest opp

I love looking for specs then clicking their website for absolutely NOTHING

[woeful thunder]

@lament badge rather than bashing ones approach it is better to provide information on your own - that is what is called "constructive".

[lusty hinge]

why do you need a link vro just look at it its right in the corner in big unmissable text

im not doing allat for something irrelevant

oh nevermind

literally linux user stereotype bro has it in his bio

linux users try not to let everyone know they use linux challenge

https://tenor.com/view/linux-linux-user-open-source-gif-26342988

anyway listen to persona 3 reloads best song https://open.spotify.com/track/3R0XM0PaKh2R7WYF8UJYe0

[grave cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-gif-25928231

[lament badge]

😭😭

but he's a techie head to toe!!!!!

[woeful thunder]

@lusty hinge why so toxic? Just because I like using Linux does not mean this is the only thing I know. I am an IT professional since more than 25 years. I started with a Commodore 64, know to write programs in several programming and scripting languages, I am an expert on technologies like virtualization, storage area networks, ethernet networking...
...and I know Windows since Windows 3.0.

All I asked is if you can provide a verifiable source as this is the most valuable thing one can give when making a statement. Trying to prove a point by selecting specific information from ones Biography and posting memes is kind of childish. And if your research would be any better you would have realized I am using GG and posted pictures taken on Windows 11.

If you would have ever used Linux, you would know it is not much harder to use than Windows - it is just different not necessarily better.

@grave cipher changing a Wallpaper is not much different on Linux then on Windows. The text doesn't make any sense - only a fool would use the command line to change the wallpaper in a GUI environment like Gnome or KDE Plasma.

@lament badge Yes I am as you can see by my statements above. But I am still waiting for your approach and constructive feedback.

Everyone calm down and stop calling out people. I thought this is a community where we help each other but some go off topic and turn toxic.

[lament badge]

Noone is actually trying to be toxic you just fall for the rsgebait a lot

[grave cipher]

Lol

Anyone know his reddit

[lusty hinge]

holy yap

typed all that because i mentioned linux

classic linux users amirite

[lusty hinge]

@lament badge redragon fans

except theyre... not redragon

because theyre just a single oem being rebranded over and over and over and over

kinda like how akko and such have verrrryyy similar keycaps and keyboards

[lament badge]

if this is what the fans and cases are like imagine the PSU's they make

Reminds me of those cheap membrane keyboards and mice with the cracks

[lusty hinge]

its well known that cheap psus from relatively unheard of brands tend to suck

not always but basically always

theres like one usable gamemax model and thats about it

[lament badge]

I hope people know what they're buying when they look for PSU's

because id rather pay a certain percentage increase than buy something from a random brand

[hollow perch]

Personally, EVGA are my favorite PSUs...10-year warranty and have never had to use it.

[grave copper]

Seasonic or Super Flower (or EVGA rebrands) are all I will ever use for a PSU. not worth the risk to save a few bucks

[grave cipher]

Brand loyalty to an extent for psus is a little stupid

Like yea the Chinesium branded psu is probably going to go bang but I think every company has at some point made a psu that is just plain terrible

Or has a likelihood to go bang

And the lower the price the more likely it is to be one of those bad psus

[lusty hinge]

super flower has several not so good psus

[lusty hinge]

10 year warranty should be expected on any decent psu
its nothing special compared to the actual good psus offering 15-20

[tough condor]

guys i have 2060 rtx 6 g b and mother board X570 AORUS ELITE and cpu AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor 3.59 GHz, ram 32 gb ehat gpu do i want to upgrade to im currenlty playing cs2 with 122 fps ish

[molten spindle]

first whats your goal for the new pc?

just run cs2 on higher frames? or play some other games on high quality

[tough condor]

to play more games on a higher quality

[tough condor]

and ofc boost cs2 frames

[hollow perch]

Which one would you recommend, for the user above looking for recommendations? I recommended EVGA as a brand because I've used several of their PSUs and never had an issue.

[lusty hinge]

its real guys

@pulsar fossil

[pulsar fossil]

ty

[lament badge]

what is ts⁉️⁉️⁉️ tiktok WE are in the projects with this one ‼️‼️🗣💯🔥🔥

[lusty hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-gif-14251978375826396304

[grave cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/amd-nvidia-geforce-pc-explode-explosion-gif-23625713

[lament badge]

this is so real cuz nvidia pins don't melt

[pulsar fossil]

I have a 4000 series card and it feels the same way

[lusty hinge]

got my 4080 super cheaper than the titan x original msrp

[lament badge]

"what it's like to own a titan rtx"

[lament badge]

I saw some guy on reddit get a 7900xtx for under $100

yea and some guy getting a 7800xt cheaper than my 7700xt

[lament badge]

gas or pass

I AM IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[pulsar fossil]

Okay?

[lament badge]

i need a 1440p card that can do the bare minimum

no intel

I'm gonna buy a spare gpu

[lusty hinge]

anything that has a hdmi/dp that can output 1440p

so like literally anything

[lament badge]

I don't want it to be faulty though

I'm thinking 6600xt

[grave cipher]

Faulty

Please English better

[opaque moon]

sorry bro! by faulty i meant nvidia

nah im joking. by bare minimum i meant a decent gpu that can pull atleast 120 frames on 1440p on low settings

i dont play really play gpu intensive games

[lament badge]

6750xt

[mint kraken]

love my buildf

made it myself

4070 super

i5 14th gen

[lament badge]

where is the picture ⁉️⁉️

@lusty hinge I angled both the monitors a little better

centered them and tilted them up a bit

[lusty hinge]

hell yeah

scary mousepad

grip tape lokos cool tho

[lament badge]

i am 100% buying a new mousepad

corsair one don't got enough glide

[mint kraken]

of

what

[lament badge]

send a picture of your pc bro‼️‼️

[lament badge]

you got any other recommendations? 😭😭

I was gifted this corsair one and it was the only one i had that fit on my desk

I despise small mousepads

[lament badge]

what are we thinking about this guys

[pulsar fossil]

I mean it depends?

If you wanna have a machine to game on but a desktop isn't portable enough then a gaming laptop can be a great option

Gaming laptops have come a looooong way

They do still kinda suck if you want batterylife

[lusty hinge]

if they do not need a lot of portability hell no

also just a laptop

don't go buying garbage cuz it's marketed as gaming

pls look at reviews

[lament badge]

yea i told him that they suck with the charger out

pretty sure all he does is play fortnite and edit on his pc

[lusty hinge]

why is he considering a laptop at all then

[lament badge]

portability

[runic hearth]

just dont listen to anyone here if u want a pc with good price=performance ratio

[lusty hinge]

does he really need it

[lusty hinge]

huh

[runic hearth]

join tweakingguys dont ask here

[lusty hinge]

ew ew ew ew ew ew

ew ew ew ew

[lament badge]

went devious with that suggestion

[runic hearth]

this server is full of people with partnerships

and they will obviously recommend u

[lusty hinge]

literally no one here is partnered

[runic hearth]

crap

• almost everyone here is a fanboy of steelseries

[lament badge]

not true

[runic hearth]

which is a piece of sh aswell

[lament badge]

lisquie literally deterred me from buying steelseries keyboard

[runic hearth]

dont buy any gear from steelseries

i made that mistake twice

[lament badge]

tell me you don't scroll up without telling me you don't scroll up

[runic hearth]

tldr

i dont care

[lusty hinge]

how much do they charge to kill your computer with a dodgy windows iso

[runic hearth]

i never said anything about doing tweaking

they just have a good community

[lusty hinge]

no they dont

[runic hearth]

yes they do

[lusty hinge]

its literally a tweaking based server it cannot be good

[lament badge]

do you genuinely have an issue with steelseries products

[runic hearth]

its not a larp server

not a tweaker.exe server

[lusty hinge]

its all just bull with the goal of making money by being deceitful

[lusty hinge]

everyone does

most of them suck

[runic hearth]

no its real overclocking etc server

not random software to "tweak" ur pc

[lusty hinge]

why wouldnt you just join buildzoids server or the /overclock server then

[lament badge]

so far my only exception is the nova's

[runic hearth]

everything about nova pro is bad

[lusty hinge]

actually /overclock is full of soy boys

[runic hearth]

i have it and i regret it

[lament badge]

tf

[lusty hinge]

shouldve bought maxwell

[lament badge]

did I say nova pro's

[runic hearth]

same thing?

[lament badge]

not really

so there's this thing called YouTube

YouTube has a search bar

[lusty hinge]

❤️❤️

if youre buying an expensive headset and it isnt maxwell youre buying the wrong thing

[lament badge]

what you'd usually do before buying a product is using said searchbar..

[runic hearth]

i did and everyone is glazing it

never listen to tech channels

[lament badge]

out of every pair of headset I've owned there has been zero issues I don't know what your problem is

[lusty hinge]

depends on the channel

[runic hearth]

beeping twice even at full battery randomly

often every 30 seconds

[lament badge]

how long have you had it

[runic hearth]

half year

[lusty hinge]

reputable channels such as https://youtube.com/@gamersnexus and https://youtube.com/@hardwareunboxed are fine

[runic hearth]

its uncomfortable af aswell

[lament badge]

don't forget consumer tech review 🗣‼️⁉️🤦‍♂️😭

[lusty hinge]

and sites such as https://www.techpowerup.com/ and https://www.rtings.com/ are cool too

although if you use RTINGS ignore their rankings

only use it for the actual info

[lament badge]

order me a big plate of complaints 😭😭😭

if you don't like it you probably had the chance to return it

[runic hearth]

not really

[lament badge]

how do you own a headset for 6 months then randomly decide "yea these are uncomfortable"

[runic hearth]

you have only 14 days to return in eu

i just cant write to steelseries and say refund me its uncomfortable

[lament badge]

usually it doesn't take longer than 2 days to figure out if you like them

[runic hearth]

people said foams need time to get comfy

[lament badge]

where did you buy it from

[runic hearth]

polish site

[lament badge]

you gettin devious

[lusty hinge]

maxwell & aftermarket foam if you want

[lusty hinge]

never seen

[lament badge]

it was sarcasm

he does these things

"TOP 5 MECHANICAL BUDGET KEYBOARD OF 2025"

content farming red dragon keyboards

[lusty hinge]

hell yeah

[lament badge]

we are SO spending $3.5k on a custom skibidi toilet themed pc 🗣‼️‼️🔥💯

[lusty hinge]

are any of those 240hz monitors oled

[lament badge]

probably not

[lusty hinge]

weird

[lusty hinge]

lol

[lament badge]

I think one of them is

ASUS PG32UCDM
Alienware AW2725Q
Gigabyte MO27Q2
Samsung Odyssey Neo G8
ASUS TUF Gaming VG279QM

[lusty hinge]

tbf alienware one is great iirc

i almost bought it i think

thats the 4k oled one i think wait

[lament badge]

I like the design on it

really wish there were more white monitors

[lusty hinge]

im not a fan

only reason i considered it is cuz it was tje cheapest good option

lol amd

[mint kraken]

ok one min

That’s my build

[grizzled wedge]

My build

[pulsar fossil]

You should make a post in #1059414196858662923 :)

[mint kraken]

fais not to bad a lot of wires going on tho less desk space with pc on it

[grizzled wedge]

its fine to be honest i only use 60$% keyboards

[mint kraken]

why dont you got it on the floor the pc

[cerulean urchin]

hello

hello?

[mint kraken]

hi

[cerulean urchin]

is anybody else here in this dicord chat?

[grave cipher]

no

[cerulean urchin]

wierd

https://tenor.com/view/aisaka-taiga-taiga-toradora-palmtop-tiger-nervous-gif-4006289379856080201

bruh!

are you kidding me!

[grave cipher]

bro is #losingit rn

[cerulean urchin]

im no no not

ugh

im eating right now

anyways

hows your day going so far?

hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo??????

is any body going to respond?!?!?!

[pulsar fossil]

Sounds like a thing for #💬-general

Not very pc building related :D

But hi

[cerulean urchin]

hi?

[grizzled wedge]

cause pc should not be on floors due to air flow and dust

[cerulean urchin]

pcs ay : )

yeah i know im a kid

im almost 11

[grave cipher]

not really doesn't change a whole lot in most cases

maybe if you just never cleaned your room

[mint kraken]

thats if you have a carpet lad

[lament badge]

fire

[grizzled wedge]

Witch i do

[grave cipher]

bet

[pulsar fossil]

Maybe you should be nicer to others :)

[lament badge]

what did bro say ⁉️⁉️

[mint kraken]

Oh fairs then

[lament badge]

honestly carpet or not I'd rather have my pc on my desk so those beautiful lights don't go to waste

[mint kraken]

Idk bout that tbh

And I ain’t got no room for it

[lament badge]

my pc is always on the ground

I can never see the rgb

[mint kraken]

I can’t fit it on my desk be real

No room for it

[lament badge]

reallll

My desk too small

[mint kraken]

Have 2 monitors my Xbox

And my pc underneath

Need to get a L shaped desk or sum

Then it can fit

Or just a bigger one

[lament badge]

monitor mount is in the way

[mint kraken]

Yeah I mean you got the room for a bigger desk

[lament badge]

there's some L shape desks that have multiple modes

like it will say L shape but you could just extend it straight

[mint kraken]

I might get an L shape one

Or a bigger one

[lament badge]

don't forget to install your printer

[lusty hinge]

half of those arent even necessary for a computer

[lament badge]

speakers, case

[lusty hinge]

monitor mouse hard drive ssd too

just post into bios and chill

[grave cipher]

Processor ≠ CPU

[lusty hinge]

no dude you need 3 cpus

processor, cpu and chip

[molten spindle]

Id connect a calculator so the pc can perform faster

[lament badge]

corsair AIO not the way?

[lusty hinge]

when is it ever

[grave cipher]

Real

[lament badge]

my grandpa bought be a nautilus 360mm and I'm considering switching from it

it's gotta be white

i like the ones with the screens but the nzxt ones have ridiculous pricing

[lament badge]

gonna be a long year

[lusty hinge]

why would you buy an nzxt one anyway

[lament badge]

real 💔💔

[lusty hinge]

well why would you

theres cheaper better options with screens

[lament badge]

do you got any suggestions

[lament badge]

no reason other than some ppl are nzxt sheep

ts company pmo icl ngl

[lusty hinge]

https://a.co/d/a8PnsKb

[lament badge]

only 91?

is there no risk in that?

[lusty hinge]

no

why would there be

[lament badge]

i just don't want to buy an unreliable one

I'll watch a video on it

isn't thermalright the same brand that makes the peerless assassin

[lusty hinge]

yeah

[lament badge]

are these any good

[lament badge]

I can't find a white one

[lusty hinge]

yeah

both are

[lament badge]

I'll probably buy the lian li one

I've never had any of their products

[lusty hinge]

neither

thank god

[lament badge]

What's the problem with them?

[lusty hinge]

usually just overpriced

some of their stuff sucks kinda but meh

[hexed belfry]

any good recommendations for an 1tb m2 disk?

[lusty hinge]

what country

[lament badge]

I agree

i like their ecosystem more than corsair though

corsair can't even make strimers it's kinda sad

[lusty hinge]

they have strimers

[lusty hinge]

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/explorer/diy-builder/accessories/corsair-icue-rgb-psu-cable-strips/

[lament badge]

yea but are those actual cables with lights or just led strips that stick to cables

[lusty hinge]

strips that stick to cables

the exact same thing that the lian li strimers do

[lament badge]

the corsair ones look cheap

would've bought them if they were like the typical strimers encased in rubber

[ruby moon]

Hi! Are there people here who use or have used ultra-wide monitors?

What do you think about them for personal use? Both for gaming and office work (but mainly gaming). Is it really worthwhile or are there too many downsides? (Like incompatible games, etc...)

[static pecan]

I just switched from a dual 27" setup to a single 34" ultrawide and honestly I haven't found myself missing the second monitor as much as I thought I would. The extra screen space on your peripheral is nice for gaming and just general multitasking. The extra room for side by side split windows makes up for the lack of a second screen for me. Plus it's great for video editing (if you do that)

As far as gaming goes, like I said the extra peripheral is very nice for immersion. Most games these days support ultrawide resolutions and the ones that don't currently probably will in the future. There's a good chunk of older titles that have received ultrawide support. Unless you're playing really old games or some small indie title that lacks ultrawide support it won't be an issue. Even if I find a game that doesn't support the monitor, I can still play it in the equivalent of a 27" screen with black bars so there's still plenty of space to see what's happening in game and having bars on the side isn't that distracting for me when I'm really focused on the game

[ruby moon]

Alright I see, thanks for your reply! Most people that gave me their opinion seems to prefer UW rather than standard monitor. I might go for one soon them. If I don't like it I can just send it back I guess

[pulsar fossil]

Actually allow me to provide some opposing opinions @ruby moon

I had a 32:9 Samsung ultrawide and while it's definitely a fun gimmick, I don't really miss having it. It's not the way to go if you like having a lot of fps.

I switched from a 1080p 32:9 to 1440p 16:9 and I don't miss having it at all

It's especially a pain with content creation and recording of content

[ruby moon]

Yeah that's a great thing to read opposite opinion. Thanks Lennart!

I see. Well, I had a 4k 16:9 before and I loved it, it was enough and I had another 1080p 16:9 used as a secondary monitor in vertical. Then my cat broke my main screen... I'm used to play at 60fps even tho my monitor was 144hz (My computer isn't powerful enough to play some games on 4K high quality lol. I either had to lower the quality or sacrifice some FPS but 60 was enough).

I guess I probably should wait a bit, build a way more powerful computer and buy a new screen (Either UW or not). The main condition will be that it have to be OLED. Then I'll see. I think we'll get UW at work so it'll help me decide if I like it or not

[static pecan]

I picked up my 34" 1440p MSI OLED UW on sale coming from 2 27" 1440p IPS monitors. I honestly don't notice a huge hit to performance running it on a 6800xt.

The reason I bought the monitor was because I was looking at upgrading either it or my GPU. but since it's impossible to get a new card right now I went with the monitor that was $200 off

[grave cipher]

I've had a 21:9 3440x1440 165Hz one and honestly I still miss it after a year (it got cracked and later died outright as a result of the crack). Basically every game I played supported it officially and if they didnt then it typically had a work around for it, it definitely has an impact on CPU and GPU thats noticeable, due to the wider FOV meaning that theres more stuff to render. It even worked wonders for most of the stuff I watched, as a lot of shows and movies shoot in wider aspect ratios than 16:9 so not as much black baring going on

I would say though try and avoid VA panels if you intend on using like freesync/Gsync as the ghosting kinda goes to hell when not at the maximum refresh rate of the panel

[lusty hinge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1jinmrl/monitor_alienware_27_360hz_qdoled_gaming_monitor/

missed this

[static pecan]

Yeah that was a fire deal. I got my MSI MAG 341CQP for $650 w/ a monitor arm included. I was specifically looking to go bigger than 34" andultra wide. But there are some fantastic deals on 27" 16x9 OLEDs these days

[lusty hinge]

awesome

[lament badge]

Just never gets better does it

[twin void]

I’m looking for a little help so I bought this about a year ago. And on Warzone my latency is about 21. I’m not that good with computer computers, but what would be the best thing for me to upgrade to get lower latency? any advice would be appreciated.

[lament badge]

what's your res and refresh rate on your monitor

[lament badge]

turn all of your quality settings down if they aren't already

and if you haven't you should buy an exhaust fan for the rear or top

really hard to like any prebuilt companies when they do sht like this

[lusty hinge]

like what

[lament badge]

no exhaust fans in a prebuilt 💔

[lusty hinge]

not like theyre necessary

[twin void]

180hz

[agile narwhal]

@twin void I assume you meant 20ms latency as measured by the game

[twin void]

Yes. i’m not sure if people are Warzone players but on big map I get like 100 FPS. so I would like to upgrade, but don’t know where to start.

[agile narwhal]

I'm not sure what this has to do with latency though

Latency is how long it takes to transmit your inputs to the game server

The 3 ways to decrease it would be

1.  Use a fiber network connection if you are not doing so already
2.  Use a service that optimizes the connection path to the server (I only ever tried WTFast myself)
3.  Move closer to the physical warzone game servers

but honestly, 20ms latency is considered top tier

However, if what you are after, @twin void, is more fps then it's probably gonna cost you some money for components

if you are playing on 1080p, which I would assume is the case based on your computer, your upgrade path will likely involve having to buy new CPU and CPU cooler, motherboard

I would personally see if it is possible to get the 5700x3d if you are tight on money as that will be a king in terms of bang for the buck

if you are playing on 1440p the choice will change somewhat.
I would swap the i5 12400F for a 12700K, and switch the 4060 for a 9070 or 9070XT (if you go for the 9070XT you might have to upgrade powers supply to one that is 750W)

The reasoning for the difference depending on resolution is that on 1080p the CPU bears a lot more of the load for generating FPS.
At 1440p this is more offloaded to the Graphics Card.

@twin void if anything here is unclear, or you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll explain to the best of my ability

I don't expect people to understand computer hardware immediately. Takes a little bit of time to get used to ;)

[lusty hinge]

from a 12400f? itd be quite the opposite. it would be awful value

its an LGA1700 board. just put a 13/14600kf in there and call it a day

[agile narwhal]

I would say that, but then we all know how the long term prospects of the 13th and 14th gen is. I would rather not recommend a faulty component to someone

as much of a value winner an upgrade as that would be. there is quite a lot of value in just knowing that your CPU isn't just slowly killing itself

[lusty hinge]

how is it faulty 😹😹

if hes buying it brand new theres not gonna be an issue

[agile narwhal]

yeah, they've said that a lot of times already

the CPUs still keep on dying

[lusty hinge]

old ones yeah

[agile narwhal]

so excuse me if I'm not ready to take Intels words at face value

[lusty hinge]

if its a brand new cpu its fine

all one has to do is update their bios before using it

sorted

[agile narwhal]

you do the recommendations you want. My personal opinion is that I would rather avoid 13th and 14th gen purely for peace of mind

[lusty hinge]

thank god we dont listen to your personal opinion but rather actual facts..

😹😹😹

[agile narwhal]

you do you

[lament badge]

not worth it

[lusty hinge]

neither is a 5700x3d

but yeah

just copium and buy 9950x3d

[lament badge]

5700x3d trash value

horrible pfp

I like amd but 5700x3d / 5800x3d overpriced no reason

[agile narwhal]

if I had to guess it would be cause of it being the last upgrade path for am4

[lament badge]

yup

but I bought ryzen 7 5800x for $170

and 5800x3d is like 270

$300

[agile narwhal]

personally I'm running 9900x

wanted the extra threads compared to 9800x3d

[lament badge]

they are blowing up

[agile narwhal]

feels somehow validating to hear you say that

[lament badge]

I will never recommend intel to any1

[static pecan]

My 5900X is still going strong I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. Maybe when AM5 reaches its final gen

[lament badge]

the price to performance is horrendous

here we go

[lusty hinge]

they were failing*.
they never blew up and they havent had issues in forever

the microcode updates that were released several months ago are still to be proven to not work

[lament badge]

I've seen so many occurrences of new gens frying the socket

[lusty hinge]

yeah, its nothing new.
7800x3d literally blew up, 9800x3ds blow up.

[agile narwhal]

and you're saying they're proven to work?

[lusty hinge]

13th and 14th gen issues were fixed months ago

[agile narwhal]

validation goes both ways

[lament badge]

I saw the same one, user error

[lusty hinge]

until theyre proven not to work, yeah.

[lament badge]

People aren't fully seating their chips then they pop

[lusty hinge]

which one? because im not on about any specific one

[agile narwhal]

so you want to take Intel at their word after they've lied to you for year?

[lusty hinge]

im not taking intels word

[lament badge]

every x3d

[lusty hinge]

im taking the widely available information that shows the microcode updates work

if youre so scared just stick to 12th

but thats stupid to do

[lament badge]

the overheating though

[agile narwhal]

the oxidation issues

[lusty hinge]

7800x3ds blowing up wasnt user error
neither is 9800x3d

[agile narwhal]

Intel 13th and 14th gen is a dumpster fire

[lusty hinge]

define overheating

[lament badge]

being hotter than amd In general

[lusty hinge]

how are you coming to that conclusion

[lament badge]

intel is so hot

[lusty hinge]

so is amd?? how are you coming to this conclusion

if you compare a 200w cpu to a 60w cpu, sure

[lament badge]

no I'm not

[agile narwhal]

it was a well known fact that higher tier Intel chips of those generations basically had mandatory watercooling to not thermal throttle

[lusty hinge]

then how are you coming to the conclusion of "intel is so hot"

[lament badge]

intel cpus are just highly reputable as being hotter than amd in every aspect

[lusty hinge]

due to the fact that if you put them under large loads they would draw upwards of 300w. not because "theyre just hot bro".
AMD has several CPUs that do the same

[agile narwhal]

then why did they need to draw 300w?

[lusty hinge]

so they can provide the performance expected? this isnt exclusive to intel

amd literally does the exact same thing
this isnt rocket science

gpus do it, cpus do it

7900 GRE is a pretty good example of power = gud

[agile narwhal]

so they had to compensate with power draw because of the architecture

[lusty hinge]

sapphire pulse 7900 GRE is power limited to 260w and in turn performs noticeably worse than 4070 Supers and other 7900 GRE AIBs

[lusty hinge]

sure

not like it matters

[agile narwhal]

yeah, but the 7900 GRE was terrible value at launch anyways

[lusty hinge]

i dont care about value

i didnt mention value once in that message

[agile narwhal]

fair enough

[lusty hinge]

my point was its performing worse than others because its drawing less power

[agile narwhal]

sure

lowering the power draw on the card when thermal throttling is not an isssue is a bad idea

[lusty hinge]

thermal throttling and just being power limited is different

it was never an issue with throttling

its just unnecessarily power limited

[agile narwhal]

throttling is an issue though for the CPU though if you do not consider the fact that you have to buy a beefy cooler

[lusty hinge]

for the cpu yeah

thats my mistake i assumed we were on about the GRE still

[agile narwhal]

my thought was that we were comparing the situations

same issue, different context

though for what it's worth I consider radeon 7000 to be meh except for the 7900XTX after the price reduction

[grave cipher]

AMD has had plenty of issues, just AMD is the "underdog" so it kinda gets disregarded a lot of the time

also yea a 5700X3D is a downgrade from a 12400F

not to mention rather expensive

[agile narwhal]

for sure, but Intel really took it to another level. That fact that they lied to and guilt tripped consumers for years about it until they realistically couldn't publicly deny it anymore. I mean they even hid it and lied to investors

[agile narwhal]

might just be me being a little bit out of the loop on budget options these days. Thought am4 x3d were still pretty decent budget pics

[lusty hinge]

yeah if youre already on am4

going from dead platform to extra dead platform is just stupid

[agile narwhal]

makes sense. So 7600X would be the better budget pick then?

or 9600X if it costs about the same

[grave cipher]

for years? it all kinda happened within 1 to 2 years of raptors launch. intel never really lied about anything, the fact of the matter is that they have always had documented limits for each SKU in each generation which they expect to be upheld to under truly "stock" conditions.
What board vendors had been doing for years was simply just ignoring that document since they (the motherboard manufacture) could advertise higher performing CPUs in higher end boards, and that was never really an issue since intel had been on 14nm since forever and that stuff could eat 200A for breakfast and still last 6 years. The reason they could ignore that document on stock settings though is because it was more or less "recommended" than actually enforced, what was enforced though was not being able to change stuff like core multiplier, that was a big no no but stuff like power limits they could just remove in its entirety.
Now that was fine until you get a new shiny built from the ground up architecture (raptor lake which was 7nm) which was a lot more sensitive to current than 14nm was, board vendors do the usual and intel turns a blind eye and bam you get degradation.

as to whos fault it is I would run a split 50/50

intel should of been enforcing those limits from the get go, but board manufactures also shouldn't of toyed with the rated specs of the chips

but intel is not at fault in its entirety, the engineers write documentation for every generation that specify operating conditions

[agile narwhal]

I would disagree and say more like 75/25 with Intel owning majority of blame.
reasoning for that is the fact that Intel most likely got reports of potential issues early on, but chose to sweep that under the rug.
There is also the fact that they had to push microcode updates to fix issues which means that on some level they messed up personally (unless I'm misunderstanding something here spectacularly).
There were also the issues of oxidation which just made an already bad situation worse.
All of these things were on Intel's part.
Sure, board vendors went harder than they should on the power limits, but going by how little Intel had chosen to enforce rules around it up until that point one could practically assume that Intel quietly endorsed the practice.

[lament badge]

sometimes I love tiktok

[pearl grail]

@lusty hinge hey

so while I was playing universe sandbox, for the first time ever my pc just randomly rebooted and gave no bsod. But I did get this error in event viewer

so I checked the memory dump in this app

and the bugcheck code was 139

and the module name pointed at dxgmms2

which is directx right?

so how should I go about investigating this error further?

I did a full load test on all my hardware including ram and all that for 45 minutes and it came out with no errors or overly high temps

I was going to do a memory test using memtest but I cant do it rn since it involves going into the bios and booting from the usb drive the memtest image is set to

I did run into an anomaly when updating my gpu driver a month ago, whole pc locked up while it was updating and I unfortunately had to force shutdown, booted fine and said it was updated but I used the reinstall button nvidia had just to make sure it was fully installed. Could be the culprit idk

installed a new driver for the gpu, im going to see if I can replicate the issue again which may not be possible since it never happened before until a couple hours ago

[pearl grail]

We'll after a few hours u haven't encountered it, I'll take it a bit more seriously if it happens ever again within a month or 2.

[lusty hinge]

if it hasn't happened again id probably just shrug it off as a one off

although i can't read this cuz mobile is stupid

[elfin geode]

4070 super or 5070?

with ryzen 7 7800x3d

for counter strike

[tidal dagger]

I wouldn't recommend nvidia right now

[lusty hinge]

5070 performs better

so kinda no brainer

[lament badge]

if you can get one 😂

[agile narwhal]

I'd honestly get a 9070 instead. costs the same as 5070 in my country at least

sure, 9070 isn't exactly a great value card compared to 9070xt, but then again nothing this generation really matches that value

[lament badge]

nvidia is the apple of graphics cards

[lusty hinge]

theyre not comparable

[blissful verge]

Where what benchmarks have you been seeing cause the new amd gpus and anything above the 4070 super have been destroying the 50 series so far

[lament badge]

yea he's right icl

entire 50 series is a waste of money

[lament badge]

not to mention 5060 is gonna be a lackluster 8gb

[raven leaf]

.,

[agile narwhal]

true, apple actually knows how to deliver value on something that is not a halo product

Nvidia used to know how to do that, but sadly not anymore

[lusty hinge]

5070 performs better than a 4070 super
5080 performs better than a 4080, 4070 ti and a 4070 ti super
5090 performs better than a 4090

what the hell do you mean the 40 series destroys it

[pulsar fossil]

Sounds like something an average illinformed Apple hater would say 😅

[lament badge]

the phones are great it's just the pricing options

and it's not even the phones in general