💻-building-a-pc

[left jacinth]

Oh you’re not using regular units of measurement

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[pulsar fossil]

[fresh tulip]

Degrees and Fahrenheit are two different things my friend

[coral pendant]

no, we are.

also known as the rest of the world.

[left jacinth]

What the fuck is s kilometer??!?!?!!?!?

Rahhhhh!!!!

[pulsar fossil]

The correct option between miles and kilometers

Oh and kilo = 1000, so 1 km = 1000 meters

Just like 1 kg is 1000 grams

It just works

[left jacinth]

What is fahrenheit measured in then?? Radians??

Nah

“It’s 50 degrees outside”

Degrees in celcius are too imprecise, the degrees are too big

Like one degree in celcius is several in fahrenheit

So you can more accurately say what temperature it us

Is

Btw America is better 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[devout wolf]

LMAO

damn 95π Fahrenheit outside

[left jacinth]

I mean fr

Fahrenheit is measure in degrees too

All I’m saying is that degrees in fahrenheit are smaller so you can be more precise with how hot or cold it is

[devout wolf]

decimals are so cool I wish they were real

[left jacinth]

Useful in chemical reactions

Make it 72.43 degrees celcius

Bro just make it 146

[devout wolf]

tbh I've rarely seen anything besides Kelvin used for chemistry

[left jacinth]

Don’t even get me started on kelvin

[devout wolf]

anyways

using °F for hardware temperatures and also not mentioning it is crazy

I still have no idea if they meant °C or °F 😭

[left jacinth]

Ok but like 89c could be several different degrees in f

[devout wolf]

wdym

[left jacinth]

Degrees in celcius are less precise

[weary flame]

What

No?

[left jacinth]

Yes they are

A single degree in celcius corresponds to several in fahrenheit

Meaning whole numbers are more precise

[scarlet urchin]

Comparing between two different measurement systems doesn't necessarily mean a change in precision. 0.00 degrees C is 32.00 degrees F. Each has the same number of significant digits, and are therefore equally precise. Celsius and Farenheit are just two different methods of explaining an object's thermal effect on its surroundings

An object that has a temperature of 56.00 degrees Celsius will have a Farenheit reading of 132.80 F. The object's thermal energy has not changed by switching temperature scales (it will still hurt to touch) - just the number used to represent it.

[left jacinth]

No dude what I'm saying is degrees in celcius are bigger

freezing-boiling in celcius is 0-100

freezing to boiling in fahrenheit is 32-212

The fact that there are more degrees in the same amount of thermal exchange in fahrenheit means that each degree is smaller

Each degree being smaller doesn't necessarily dictate the accuracy, as both celcius and fahrenheit are accurate, when measured correctly, but what each degree being smaller does mean is that you can pinpoint the exact temperature of an object with greater precision

[next jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-facepalm-iron-man-gif-14277099

i'm new here but

[pulsar fossil]

Let's stay on topic :)

[weary flame]

Don't, it's not worth it

[obtuse laurel]

owocash

[plucky knoll]

I’m planning to build a pc soon

is this a good build for the budget?

[weary flame]

Suggest to get a B series at the very least

[severe yarrow]

If you made this using PCPP, I’d recommend finding prices that are available, some times PCPP is inaccurate so it could go over budget

[plucky knoll]

Didn’t use that, I just made the list out of things I found on Amazon, micro center and Best Buy and checking its performance for each of them through videos

[severe yarrow]

ok good

just making sure your budget is according to actuallity and not PCPP pricing

i thought my PC would cost 800$, turns out it was 1.1k with pricing being altered and inflation cause yea

[plucky knoll]

I already checked the total for all of them combined, it’s just below $700

Including tax

[weary flame]

Oh, in that case

Go check out your nearest microcenter for motherboard combos

They tend to come really cheap

[crude laurel]

I've got 2x1TB and 1x2TB of the SN850x. If you look on Amazon, I just recently got that 2TB SN850x for around $130. It's a stupid good deal. Here's the link... https://www.amazon.com/WD_BLACK-SN850X-Internal-Gaming-Solid/dp/B0B7CKZGN6

[plucky knoll]

Replaced it with the 1TB one to look at the total, it goes over the budget

[bitter axle]

can some one help me i want to build/buy a gaming pc for FiveM butt i dont know where to start my buget in 300 and max 500

[weary flame]

You're pretty much relegated to a cheap B550 and an APU CPU
However you can wait until this gens APU comes out for better performance

[pine shard]

First time pc builder, budgeting 5000 for a nvidia 4090 build, where do i start?

[weary flame]

Uuuh

One sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FRyRvj

Here

This is a solid start

Add and change things how you want

Even motherboard if you need soz but there is little to no reason unless you need the IO

[pine shard]

Thanks, I think I might go for an intel build though, did some reasearching online and found a good website to customize a prebuilt. Thanks for the help though

[weary flame]

I suggest to go with the 7800X3D

For gaming it tends to be overall better

And the heat output isn't as ridiculous

[dull solstice]

Yo anybody got a spare 4090 ti I could have

[vivid turret]

can you remake this but for the graphics card put something with raytracing capabilities please

[weary flame]

Just give me a price range

[vivid turret]

up to $1100

if you can

[weary flame]

I feel your best bet will be a 6700/6750

Maybe even 6800/7800

It's not bad in raytracing and you get better performance than the 3060 or so you'll be able to buy otherwise

If you want nvidias framegen, best bet is a 4060 but imo that's a joke of a card

[vivid turret]

ok thanks

[mighty zealot]

8gb vram

💀

[weary flame]

For the price, yeah

Bit I suggest a 7800/6800xt if you can afford it

[pulsar fossil]

This is a channel for building PCs. I would suggest making a #official-support ticket on the website but you can also ask others for help in #1047622297382567936 :)

[plucky knoll]

don’t want to

[weary flame]

Depends on your budget, what do you have?

One second

6700xt or 6750xt

[devout wolf]

12700F is an interesting choice

[weary flame]

Not really
A 3060 probably does somewhat close in RT, but overall performance is a good bit lower

Like, mind you, a 6700/6750xt can compete with a 3070ti on raster

[unreal dawn]

Hey

[weary flame]

Hry

[fading furnace]

can anyone help me with the audion on mw2. currently using artic nova pro

mic works fine on disc and other apps. but i have no audio on mw2

[floral gazelle]

Thinking of upgrading my prebuilt not sure where to start ram is on sale today $75 for 32GB yet not sure what else where else to update, I have an 8TB external HDD and OS is on the NvME SSD with no idea how to seamlessly transfer it

[steady swift]

u wanna put ur OS on the 8TB hdd?

windows isnt a great OS to run via USB

[weary flame]

Get more NVMe SSD if you can
Or upgrade your GPU, dependant on your budget

And keep the OS on that SSD

[floral gazelle]

No just stating I have plenty of storage yet not SSD storage, I was considering upgrading to an internal SSD

[floral gazelle]

I was eyeing a 2TB NVMe just do not know how to transfer the OS and everything

[weary flame]

Check if you have more than one NVMe slot

If you do, put the 2 TB in there

Then you can use it as pure storage

[steady swift]

do u have amazon prime

[floral gazelle]

Sounds good

[steady swift]

prime day u can get them cheap af

[floral gazelle]

Exactly why I was asking first thing in the morning with the sale going live lol

[steady swift]

lol

i got myself a 2tb one

[floral gazelle]

Looks like only one slot

[steady swift]

u can get pcie to m2 adapters

they like $10-20

booting off them can be pain so just use for the storage ssd

[floral gazelle]

Yet will that not slow it down to the speed of a SSD?

[weary flame]

It will slow down to whatever the slowest is
SSD or PCIe slot

[floral gazelle]

So at that point may be cheaper to just get a SSD

[steady swift]

nah

[icy vigil]

Is there any way to make the apex pro quieter

Keyboard

Or is there a better option for a quieter keyboard

I'm just trying to stream on pc and don't want a keyboard that breaks the sound barrier

[pine coral]

any recommendations for a steelseries keyboard?

[fierce narwhal]

I've got a apex 3 that I got on sale and it's very good, decent lighting and the keys are so quiet

[pine coral]

ok

[fierce narwhal]

It's also one of the cheapest, and I'd it's too big you can get the apex 3 tkl but i would still reckoned doing your own research and getting opinions :)

[steady swift]

Instructions unclear: buss a nut

[wise vine]

how do i stop my keyboard and mouse from flashing when i die in game

[warped tundra]

If its a corsair its a setting in ICUE that should disable it. Software and game interactions.

[torpid verge]

you'd have to say what your keyboard is

[left jacinth]

Apex100 is a great choice

Used it for about a year (and raged at competitive overwatch and banged on it) and it’s still at 100%

[noble oak]

Yes

[foggy cloud]

anyone have recommendations for upgrading from i5 9600k? doesn’t gotta be same chipset

[dark linden]

Budget? I would say 7800X3D if you can afford that…or a 13600K as soon as goes on discount over the next couple of months. The AMD 7800X3D would be the dream, IMHO.

[weary flame]

How much money do you have in total?

Because you'll have to get a board too

[barren abyss]

if you can afford to scrape the top of your cpu to get better cooling

[dark linden]

With the 7800x3D? It’s not really needed…

[foggy cloud]

budget for cpu itself around 450

[barren abyss]

depends on the silicon lottery

[dark linden]

This depends with every CPU. Since the night of Ages.

[barren abyss]

what the hell is that man posting

[weary flame]

@pulsar fossil

[weary flame]

Not really
It runs cool enough I've it in an ITX case with PBO on

It runs fine

[foggy cloud]

well for everything that i wanna get, probably a little over 1,000

[weary flame]

You have a pc yet, anything you can carry over?

Like, what's your GPU?

[foggy cloud]

Yes i do, my gpu as of rn is a 1660ti, thinking of upgrading to a 3070 but not sure if its worth the upgrade from 1000 to 3000 series

32gb ram ddr4

[weary flame]

If you have ddr4, lemme see rq

[weary flame]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zf4Wt7

You can carry memory over with this

The 6650xt is a solid card too

Close to the 3070 or matching it in all but RT (and even then it's not bad)

And you can save money if you have a case you wanna reuse

[foggy cloud]

Yes i’ll be reusing my case for sure and should be good for psu

I don’t care too much for rt although it would be pretty neat

[weary flame]

One second then

[pulsar fossil]

Thanks :)

[foggy cloud]

6750 xt would be decent on sale i feel, thought about the 6800 but a little overkill for me i’d say

[dark linden]

MSI X670E Tomahawk Max, G.SKill DDR5 6000 MT/s CL30, Ryzen 7800X3D. It’s the fastest block you could build atm and you also have the door open for one or two CPU upgrades along the years.

Then sell your current computer and invest either in a RTX3070 or a RX6800

It will give you a more than decent bump

[foggy cloud]

is Ryzen really that good? i’ve never had it before and don’t know anything about it

[weary flame]

Ryzen is good

Also please

Don't get a X670E

Just a good B650

[foggy cloud]

Okay will do

[distant zodiac]

hey, quick question, i was thinking of getting the Lian li Strimer plus V2's GPU + PSU, but after looking into it, theres only a 2x8pin for the GPU and a 3x8pin, but since i've got a 2060 super, i only have a 1x8pin, anyway around this?

[weary flame]

The 2x8 is 2 8 pin headers
You can separate them

But GPU + PSU?

[distant zodiac]

let me probably rephrase this a bit better

i was looking at buying the strimer v2s for both my gpu and the psu, but after a bit of looking around, the GPU strimers are only available in 2x8 pins, whilst my 2060 super is only 1x8pin

[weary flame]

The 2x8 pin is 2 8 pin cables chained

Lemme get a pic rq

You can just plug one in if you want

[distant zodiac]

id have one loose one though then no?

would look kinda awkward

[weary flame]

Would

But it's up to you

[distant zodiac]

idk, i can’t really seem to find anything on youtube or nothing

tried asking abt this on reddit, but the 4090 warriors had to flame me for having a 2060 lol

[weary flame]

It would look a bit weird

But it would be fine imo?

But you gotta see

[distant zodiac]

that’s the hard part ahaha, nothing like that on internet

[weary flame]

Sadly true

[distant zodiac]

was thinking, maybe just remove half of the wires?

[weary flame]

Just wrap it around

[distant zodiac]

there would be 8 “LED” strips, and 8 actual power wires, would there be a way to reroute those 8 LED ones to 4 power ones

[hidden pasture]

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[wooden meadow]

Hi Guys, I’m trying to build a budget gaming PC, it’ll basically be for recording content, streaming and video editing as I do have a console.
What do you guys think of this build?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2FMh34

[vocal aurora]

what's your total budget?

cos at a £500 budget you're bold going for all new components

for recording and streaming and especially video editing

[wanton peak]

go with a 5600(X) if you can. It's much better. I might also go with a bit nicer of a power supply. Your CPU also comes with a cooler.

I see your in the UK but the B450M is quite old, and at that price see if you can get a 550 type. Would be better in the long run

[vocal aurora]

yeah the cpu is gonna bottleneck

the fan is likely worse than the included amd wraith cooler

there's no price listed for the rx 570 on there but you can get an rtx 2060 for about £170 at cex

or a 2070 for about £195

second hand will skyrocket the performance

[wanton peak]

RTX is pretty good for video codec but for raw gaming if that's his goal without RT then AMD is good or if he's set on a colour team

[vocal aurora]

if you wanted amd, rx 6600 is £170

and will stomp the rx 570

but for the video and gaming side which he said was important, the rtx 2060 at the same price is probably the way to go

I'd say unless you want some amd specific features but.... what are those? lol

[wanton peak]

I agree. Especially with Davinci or Premiere Pro and Media Encoder the Nvidia (nvec?) encoder is amazing

[vocal aurora]

yeah

also it's hilarious that on pcpartpicker the only thing needing delivery is the nvme xD

[wanton peak]

hahaha I missed that before

[vocal aurora]

anyway, I'd say second hand is the way to go for a few of these parts

[devout wolf]

if you're encoding in H.264 that is

[wanton peak]

GPU is mostly safe now, I wouldn't do any storage, RAM maybe yes

[vocal aurora]

cex seem to have upped their prices recently cos the exact model of rtx 3080 I have is £70 more than when I bought it which is a shame

[wanton peak]

Yes. I wasn't getting into specifics 🙃 really depends what you need

[vocal aurora]

exactly, I did my nvme new, my cpu and gpu second hand, and my ram second hand knowing that the £16 I spend on my 3200mhz 16GB is so cheap I can just replace it if the lifespan is short

[wanton peak]

a CPU used I've seen them show fine pictures then have a bent pin and not refund yo

[vocal aurora]

hm, I bought mine in person so idk

but I'd say record yourself opening the box and you're probably safe

as long as you don't show yourself doing something stupid

oh the case listed there is fine, and I know it seems like the case is an easy thing to save money on but more expensive cases are actually much nicer to build in

the first case I bought myself was £20 on amazon and it was genuinely horrible. the screws didn't quite line up with the motherboard, the measurements weren't accurate so I had to bend the hard drive tray out of the way in order to fit my (at the time) gtx 770

that was a bloody big card for such little performance xD

no wait I found it

it was the 670

anyway, that's my insight, I'll leave the guy to read through and make his mind up

[wooden meadow]

I’ve found a used RX 570 for £75

[wooden meadow]

I’ve been keeping an eye out for that, I’m hoping it’ll drop for Black Friday.
I’ve made some changes to the list

Here’s the updated build

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pDCxHG

I’m hoping to get it down to £500 with Black Friday deals

Changed the motherboard, GPU and Power supply

I’ve already secured a monitor, Dell S2721HGF 27” Curved Screen 144Hz

Used for £90

[vocal aurora]

Not bad, only thing I would say is 27" is just barely big enough for curved

[keen horizon]

should I buy RTX 4060?

[vocal aurora]

At what price, and what can you buy instead for that price? And what do you plan to use it for?

[keen horizon]

I want 1080p gaming with max settings at any game and 144+ fps

also with rtx if its possible

[vocal aurora]

You're not gonna rtx at 144 on a 4060

[stoic mulch]

I have a GTX 1060 6gb
but my game lag very much

[weary flame]

What's your CPU?
And what setting do you play on?

[analog canyon]

RTX 4090

how to get nitro free?

[keen horizon]

I said if its possible, not so important, which should I prefer, 6700 or 4060?

[vocal aurora]

For non Raytracing, probably the 6700, for Raytracing, however weak the performance, probably the 4060, but honestly if you can find it for a similar price, see about getting a 3070 or 3080

[keen horizon]

I think 4060 is better than 3070 because of dlss 3

how can I find a 3080 with 4060 price?

impossible

[vocal aurora]

Agreed

[keen horizon]

So, I will buy Asus dual RTX 4060, is it worth the price?

[vocal aurora]

That really depends

[vocal aurora]

Like, do you want 35-40fps in rtx and 90 in non rtx or 144 in non rtx and 25 in rtx, obviously not real numbers but that's the point

[weary flame]

6700

7700 if you find it for a price close to the 6700

Although do look into the 6750xt

But do you need the RT and DLSS 3.0 perf?

[devout falcon]

can someone help me how to open a ticket on the website like write one

bc i dont find anything to write smth

[weary flame]

Then there's no point to give
Because it's made up

@pulsar fossil just making sure

[pulsar fossil]

You can't, not here at least. There was a promo but it ended in January

[pulsar fossil]

Thanks

[weary flame]

Np

How ya doing man?

[pulsar fossil]

Just finished two events with one being absolutely massive. Having some time off before going to Atlanta for three weeks next Friday and they just announced we're coming back to London with another event so can't complain 😄
You?

[weary flame]

Atlanta, damn, what you gonna do there?
And London?

Mister world wide I see

I'm just working for a temp time

And taking a lot of train pics

Did finish my pc build finally tho

[pulsar fossil]

Rainbow Six Siege major. Yeah, it's nice. We also have our world final in Abu Dhabi later in December plus I'm going to Disneyland Paris in December as well 😅

[pulsar fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-iliketrains-trains-gif-4905803

[weary flame]

I really do

[pulsar fossil]

Nice! Have you posted it in #1059414196858662923?

[weary flame]

I'm apparently guilty of several counts of manslaughter

[pulsar fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/asdf-movie-cow-skateboarding-gif-8942924

[weary flame]

Nah, only pics I had were everything put together, but not of how everything will look

Had to hop on the train to go working and I didn't have all the stuff I needed

[weary flame]

Ooooh, Disney land for yourself or event?

[pulsar fossil]

Ping me in it if you do, would like to see :)

[weary flame]

Oh I will

I just need to get a couple of things XD

[pulsar fossil]

Super short trip for a couple of days with my SO

[weary flame]

Oh, enjoy!

[pulsar fossil]

I need to finish my setup soon, I've had Wave panels in a box since 2019 😂

[weary flame]

XD

Damn

4 years

Speaking of my pc
Might actually upgrade to a 4070 because of SFX
AMD is nice and all, but I need efficiency over price point

And luckily it's the only card I so far actually recommend from Nvidia XD

[pulsar fossil]

I'm considering upgrading my cpu

9th gen is starting to get old 😅

Even if it is an I9-9900k

[weary flame]

Oof, fair

I still recommend the 7800X3D

It's just solid

A solid B series board

It's just better overall for gaming

[pulsar fossil]

Thanks for the tip :)

[vapid sluice]

hi, ihave one problem with my output XDXD perdon nose mucho ingles

Can somebody help me

I tried to change the audio output but nothing happened

I can only use them in the speaker sound port

[vapid sluice]

it just lets me use them that way

[keen horizon]

I make my final choice, I'll buy asus dual rtx 4060 but I'm waiting for price drop

[weary flame]

I don't suggest it

But fair

[normal oyster]

I second that

[sturdy comet]

would absolute avoid a 4060

[keen horizon]

why?

dont say "vram"

8 gb of vram is ok for 1080p

I know it has to be 10 gb but 16 gb one is so expensive

8 gb is limit for 1080p

10 gb perfect

[normal oyster]

Not anymore

[keen horizon]

Say a game that needs more vram than 8 gb on 1080p

[normal oyster]

That only applies if you play at low medium settings at 720p with upscaling to 1080p

Harry potter legacy

Starfield

Cp2077

All gram starved

Vram

And that's without thinking of future use cases

But I mean, its your money to burn

[keen horizon]

You’re right, this games can use more than 8 gb but upscailing to 1080p from 720p your vram is “enough” for high settings but not for ultra probably.

Upscailing + dlss and frame gen, you can play this games at very good fps and Vram dont effect

[devout wolf]

no it's just a terrible deal lol

barely an upgrade from the 3060

[weary flame]

Also freaking expensive

Nothing in the 40 series I can recommend on price/value except the 4070
And the 4090 for max perf

[devout wolf]

yeah

4070 is a mid deal now too since the 7800 XT exists

just the classic deal of NVENC and OptiX are the only reasons to choose the Nvidia card

[normal oyster]

I think it's pointless to show reason. They made their decision, let them get taco bell at prime rib prices

[vocal aurora]

Lol yeah, I'm not sure the point of asking our advice if he'd already made his mind up

[vocal aurora]

Are you using steelseries sonar? And what is the headset model?¿Estás usando una sonda Steelseries? ¿Y cuál es el modelo de auricular?

[normal oyster]

Affirmation of choice to self

[vocal aurora]

Of a notoriously controversial card?

[keen horizon]

I have gtx 1660 super now

[vocal aurora]

Yeah but we're talking about your money, and what is a good deal

And since the 3070 and the 4060 are usually about the same price, and both will get dlss 3.5, you're probably better off with the 3070 but, yk, your call

How statement that it's barely an upgrade from the 3060 is context for want the price is bad

[keen horizon]

This depends on country, in Turkey prices are to much between 4060 and 3070. 3070 wont get dlss 3, only RTX 40 will get dlss 3+

I also think 3070 is better

but my pocket says 4060 is better

[vocal aurora]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/22/23841148/nvidia-dlss-3-5-ray-reconstruction-ray-tracing-quality

[vocal aurora]

Are you buying new or used?

[keen horizon]

I am against buying used GPUs.

[keen horizon]

Sorry, I was wrong

[vocal aurora]

Why?

Lol DM it to me

Silly bot

[keen horizon]

used products are suck

[vocal aurora]

Why?

[keen horizon]

I cant trusr

trust*

[vocal aurora]

Ok, personal preference

[keen horizon]

yes

[vocal aurora]

As someone who knows what he's doing and would either require proof that it works within spec when I pick it up, or have a trustworthy return process, used is fine for me

[keen horizon]

not fine for me

used is bad

[vocal aurora]

Lmao ok

I still don't understand why you'd ask our advice and then shoot down every suggestion

[keen horizon]

I learned what I need to learn

thx

[tawdry dove]

[vapid sluice]

It's this model HAHAHA I found it at Ross, it was cheap

[formal arch]

Does anyone know if you can find an adapter for RGB fans when your motherboard doesn't have rgb headers?

[vocal aurora]

There's an application called steelseries gg, if it didn't download automatically when you plugged them in, try downloading it on the website

[vapid sluice]

ready

[vocal aurora]

So, if you enable sonar in that, look through the audio devices, set defaults

[slender river]

So I’m on ps5 running a lg-c1 tv and love the t.v by the way. I’m able to run 4K, full hdr, vrr, at 120, rarely will I drop down to 100 to 110 frames and I believe it is Warzone connection issue. All I ever play is call of duty. Nothing else. I also run nova pro wired. Would this p.c. Be a good upgrade for the price for some one like me? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/163789956803831/?mibextid=jrrUqu or something like this more local? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1428835257673231/?mibextid=jrrUqu

[slim ermine]

Hey guys, do anyone know how to properly setup my arctis 9 headset with arena 7 so that I can swap between them using the multifunction button on the right speaker?

[polar perch]

paypal: ineedmorem0neytheboywealwealweal

[polar perch]

send it to me i will set it up for youe

[slim ermine]

need some screenshots?

[devout wolf]

get a USB-based ARGB controller

like the Razer ARGB controller or similar

[formal arch]

Alr then

[pulsar fossil]

Yeah, there are tons of RGB controller options. I'd suggest one that fits with your over all system, like if you have a lot of NZXT stuff use theirs, Razer then use theirs etc

[normal oyster]

Might as well create envy and cringe https://pcpartpicker.com/b/6FbhP6

Alongside a new 22tb Nas with 2 drive failure capacity https://pcpartpicker.com/b/j7Gqqs

[devout wolf]

interesting to say the least

so envious of current memory and storage prices

[normal oyster]

Works great. No fiddling with water, normally whisper quiet

And only a 4% degregation vs water in extreme use cases and never decreased in normal use and gaming

[tranquil flint]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/IICautionII/saved/#view=qXnNzy this is in my budget range is this good/ no bottlenecks

[vapid sluice]

If I have the application, the problem is that the headphones do not appear and when I connect them to the PC I can only connect them as speakers and I cannot speak

[vapid sluice]

I don't know if it is a problem with my PC or one of the headphones hahaha (they are not Bluetooth) and if it is a problem with the PC I don't know how to solve it xdxd

[weary flame]

I recommend this build, but change the GPU to a 4070ti if you want
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DZmP2m

Apparently rn it's 1.6k for cheapest in the UK, so you can upgrade to even a 4080, or get more storage or whatever

[tranquil flint]

Oh wow thanks 👍

[astral spire]

What's an upgrade to the AMD Radeon RX 6650 XT?

[sand jetty]

You're looking for AMD or Nvidia gpu?

AMD wise: 6700/6750. Or any 7000-series. From Nvidia 3070 - 3090, or any 4000-series

Depends fully on your budget, which is smartest

[weary flame]

What's the budget you have?

Uh, you good mate?

@pulsar fossil idk, dudes off his rockers or something

[devout wolf]

damn what'd I miss

[pulsar fossil]

Some people just need a hug

[weary flame]

I hope that that is all

[pulsar fossil]

[astral spire]

I mean I can save up I have a job

[astral spire]

What's better amd or nVidia

[normal oyster]

Depends on opinion. I like AMD because of the open source initiatives and ensuring their products work on all, alongside the general company. People like Nvidia because of the overall sentiment that they are "faster" with upscaling, but not in truth when it comes to true performance without upscaling tech layered on top. Nvidia focuses heavily on the cloud and fake frame generation tech, and some ray tracing .... and ray tracing performance is better, but "better" means overall performance still plummets with ray tracing, along with in many cases abandoning artful lighting choices for "realistic" rendering. Only artistic choice lighting that partially remains is with games from the 90s like Quake, or Doom RTX mods... and other games that abandon curved geometry for ray tracing simplicity.

Also hear people complain about drivers.... but I have much more issues on the nvidia side with video card drivers on my laptops than I ever did with AMD (other than the 5700 XT issues they resolved).

though, to be transparent, I do beta testing now for AMD video card drivers and have been using desktop AMD/ATI cards from the days of the Rage 3D II. But have had many laptops with nvidia.

https://tenor.com/view/deep-breath-deep-breathing-inhale-exhale-breathing-gif-24333194

[astral spire]

Ok thanks

[normal oyster]

Also, nvidia techniques are 100% proprietary and locked to their tech. They argue its because of their cores, but its not a true statement. There was a way to nvidia CUDA as a secondary GPU, and nvidia did not like people maining AMD while having Nvidia as secondary for video encoding (which was superior until recently), and disabled their drivers from functioning for any use cases if another vendor card was present and attached to a display

this was in the late 2000's and persists to this day

so I do not personally support those practices with my wallet

[astral spire]

Ok I'll probably stick with amd

[normal oyster]

personally. I dislike the overall market pricing.

I would recommend you get the 6000 series, 6700 or 6800

otherwise its all priced stupid as hell

[astral spire]

And those are better than what I currently have the amd Radeon RX 6650 XT?

[normal oyster]

sec

I have a 6900 XT

running 1440p165 with little issues

though many games I run at 120 or 100 FPS just because they are either heavy or poorly optimized, and I don't do FSR or upscaling

This is a good way to compare performance https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

6700 is not worth it
6700/6750 XT is about 15% faster
6800 is about 50% faster
6800 XT is about 65-75% faster
6900 XT is about 70-80% faster (what I have)

I recommend the 6800 XT

and thats the card thats often the sweet spot in pricing

do not get a card thats 8 GB of VRAM, and I would avoid 12 GB unless you are strictly going to be 1080p gaming

I do not recommend the 6900 XT unless you find a hell of a deal

[astral spire]

Ok I'll start saving for the 6800 thanks for the help

[normal oyster]

you in the USA?

[astral spire]

Yes

[normal oyster]

check out slickdeals. net for GPU pricing, and hardware unboxed does good pricing analysis

their overall videos are very clickbaity

[astral spire]

Ok

[astral spire]

Ok so how many GB should I be looking for

Higher than 12 or lower

[normal oyster]

12 minimum and 16 comfortable for a while @astral spire

However your current card isn't horrid

It's middle of the road performance

Drop a few settings from ultra to medium and you will likely be a comfortable 1440p75

With fsr upscaling to bump it higher

Just saying if you got it already use it

I upgrade gpus every 4 to 5 years and normally go midrange

[astral spire]

Ok

[devout wolf]

agreed

you can get a much better GPU by the time you've saved enough for the 6800

[normal oyster]

I never recommend same or next gpu gen upgrades unless your card done broke

[weary flame]

7800 should be still at 500, no?

That's a good price for what it gives you

[astral spire]

That's a lot

[normal oyster]

Sad that $500 is a good price for a GPU

midrange

[weary flame]

Can't deny that

But it's better than a 4060ti at that price

[normal oyster]

agree 100%

[weary flame]

And currently it's close in price to the 6800xt anyway

[normal oyster]

they basically go back and forth

if its a 10% difference, go with the 6800 XT

[weary flame]

I've more hope for the 7800xt when they finally fix the compute bug lol

[normal oyster]

🙂

[weary flame]

?

[normal oyster]

make sure you keep an eye on drivers

[weary flame]

I will

But this is just a compute problem that affects anything RDNA 3 is developed on rn

So what it could mean if it's fixed is big

Like a 7900xtx could bridge the gap between a 4080 and 4090

[normal oyster]

I just love my 6900 XT, but think I would have been just as happy with a 6800 XT

[ripe carbon]

I am trying to follow the last convo about videocard. I am currently getting to build a new system. and send my buddy my current system. So far my new system I am gonna be building is as follows [ MB: ASUS ROG STRIX z590-E Gaming ] [ CPU i7-11700KF ] [ RAM TG Delta RGB 32gb @ 3600mhz ] [ PSU MSI MPG a1000g ]. I can't decided what to pair for the videocard with my new build. I am looking to spend about 500$ on a new GPU, been looking at the 4070 to throw in the new build but I hear that the 4060ti and 4070 really arnt worth the money. Could anyone steer me in the direction of a good budget card for my build. I mainly play FPS games and do a little bit of lite coding. But am trying to verge out to new games here and there. Thought about checking out Red Dead

I found a PNY 4060 ti 16gb for 519$ or 4070 12gb for 599$ is there something out that would be a better choice then one of these? I am looking for a 3 fan gpu

[weary flame]

I suggest, if you're going for a fully new build that's purely gaming, to go with a 7800X3D and a B series board accompanying it
CPU currently is ~350? I think? It's cheap for what it is and what the price was

For GPU I suggest the 7800xt if you want that 500, but it's def not a budget card imo, as it's, well, 500 bucks
The 4070 is, for me, the only Nvidia card I can recommend for 40 series price/perf wise, but still suggest the 7800xt over it
Further you can downsize the PSU at that point probably if you go with either of those cards

And you don't need a 3 fan GPU if you go with anything between a 4060 and a 4070

Or a 7600 and 7800

[ripe carbon]

I already have my 11700 and rog strix z590-e sitting over in the corner.

[weary flame]

Fair

Then follow GPU advice

[ripe carbon]

I like the look of the upright card in the lian li, kinda why I like the 3 fans.

[weary flame]

Fair

[ripe carbon]

Is freesync and gsync a big factor on anything?

[weary flame]

Not really

[ripe carbon]

So save the 20$ and go with a hellhound 7800 xt instead of a gigabyte 4070 windforce oc 12g

Only reason I ask about those is because the current monitor I got supports free sync and not gsync so thought of going with team red instead of spending more money on a diff monitor.

I am currently running a rtx 3060 ti and enjoy it.

not gonna lie

[astral spire]

Which of these is better? ASRock Challenger Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 x16 ATX Video Card RX7800XT CL 16GO, or PowerColor Red Dragon AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6 Memory, Powered by AMD RDNA 2, Raytracing, PCI Express 4.0, HDMI 2.1, AMD Infinity Cache

[weary flame]

Both are great

┻⁠┻⁠︵⁠¯⁠\⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠/⁠¯⁠︵⁠┻⁠┻

[astral spire]

Ok so it doesn't matter which one I get

Is there a difference between the 6800 and the 6800 xt in terms of performance while gaming

[weary flame]

Higher frequency

I still suggest to go 7800xt tho

Unless you can find a 6800xt for 450 or under

Or a 6900xt for ~500

[tawny crane]

when i go to open alan wake 2 i get a message saying my cpu driver is outdated?

im pretty new to having a pc

[forest dove]

what CPU you got?

[ripe carbon]

@noble oak Currently atm I am rocking a MSI MPG z490 gaming force with a i5 10600f with 16gig of t-create by teamgroup that has a 3060 ti in it. but I am gonna be sending this build atm to a friend that ive known for years and build myself a hole new system. So my new system is gonna be a ASUS ROG Strix z590-e, i7 11700kf, 32gigs of team group delta 3600 mhz, but now I am stuck on which card I should get I can spend up to 500$ on any given card, but I just want the best bang for my buck. I really like the 3 fan look because I plan on getting a lian li dynamic evo to run the card upright. really dig the look. also atm I am bidding on a custom loop system. So maybe a card I could run liquid cool with my cpu. it would be the corsair xh305i rgb pro if I win the bid, if not I am gonna be just running corsair aio capellix xt.

@noble oak Also the plan is to find a nice 15" screen to put in the front panel of the glass to use AIDA64 to display my system stats.

[flint coral]

if you want best perf per dollar your best choice is AMD probably 6000 series if 500 is your budget

you can get a great card for that on amd side

[ripe carbon]

soo the 6700xt is better than the 7800xt?

the 6700xt better than the 3060ti?

because they both are about the same price point \

I really like

PNY GeForce RTX™ 4060 Ti 16GB XLR8

for an extra 10$ they got the oc verison for it

PNY GeForce RTX™ 4070 12GB XLR8

the 4070 is an extra 80$

thats what I was originally looking at

Because to me it would look good in the upright position in the lian li case

[green salmon]

dm if any has any extra parts

[weary flame]

@ripe carbon you can find a 3 fan 7800xt easily, and it's still the card I suggest

[spring agate]

[quick pike]

👍

[plucky magnet]

You can get a 7800xt for $515

[spring agate]

or a used 6800XT for 400

and even beat the 7800XT with it

[weary flame]

It's just on par

And the 7800xt has the prospects of updated drivers

Imo get the 7800xt, unless you're on a budget

[autumn gate]

Lookin good, id definitely post this in #1059414196858662923

[odd stag]

This cooler is just another level in size

[keen horizon]

should I buy samsung 970 evo plus?

or you suggest me something better? Please suggest brand SSDs

[devout wolf]

thought we left 970 evos in 2021

[devout wolf]

what capacity?

[keen horizon]

1tb

[devout wolf]

just get a Z440 then

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nRVG3C

[polar perch]

Or the Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB

[weary flame]

They get perpetually updated

And anyway, Samsung's longevity is noteworthy

I do suggest a 2TB over the 1 tho

[short star]

trying to find a good but cheap option on a motherboard

[spring agate]

depends on the socket, for B550 you can't go wrong with the msi Tomahawk

[weary flame]

For which CPU?

[short star]

haven’t decided yet

[weary flame]

What's the budget?

For a whole pc

[weary flame]

Iirc that one has a tendency to warm the VRAM up on the board

[short star]

what do u recommend

[keen horizon]

How can I install Samsung 870 QVO SSD on my MSI B450 M-A Pro Max Motherboard? If it is compatible can someone help me because I don't know how to do it.

[weary flame]

You should have gotten sata cables with your motherboard, check those

[weary flame]

Something cheap from MSI or gigabyte iirc is what I recommend

Just make sure to have it as a B series board

[keen horizon]

what are these like?

[weary flame]

Google exists

[keen horizon]

where do I plug sata cable?

this one right?

[weary flame]

Nope

[keen horizon]

I searched "sata cable"

and I find pictures like these

[keen horizon]

can you show me a sata cable

[tawdry fiber]

That is definitely a sata cable

[pulsar fossil]

Can confirm, that is a sata cable

[karmic crow]

Hello Stalyn, I build systems, and I hope you realize that you have in fact set up a workbench system - the shelf where your system is on is designed for a 1-2 day testing and then changing the hardware. It will not last long open like that with enough cooling going through a small room (case). See Asiellre's pic below. Recommend you build one like this as soon as possible.

I am writing this to help you. Your system will most likely break down within 6 months in your setup.

[karmic crow]

Hi Cinx! I run this SSD and love it! It's blazing fast, and for example, I play Starfield, and Redfall, and Deathloop now, and these three games load maps extremely fast. A few seconds. Get the NVME version if you have that slot.

lololol Love this! Opening the Building a PC chat room for the first time and browsing through. What a picture for a man's cave!! 🙂 Haha.

[pulsar fossil]

You really went digging there :D

[keen horizon]

Ok, I will buy Samsung 870 qvo and a sata cable like that

[karmic crow]

Glad to be here ,thanks for having this channel guys at Steelseries.

@keen horizon Q70 QVO is also a great choice for SATA connection! Fast and stable SSD. My friend has it in his system.

[keen horizon]

Wait, you’re using samsung 970 evo plus as you said

And your friend 870 qvo?!?

That is sus

[karmic crow]

Correct. I am using 970 EVO+ since about 8 months ago when my last SSD died, and he bought an 870 when they were released, because he doesn't do nvme.

I would go with something like that 870QVO if I was not using nvme. I'm mostly storage SSD company neutral but samsung shows a lot of high performance (speed).

I can show you a sys pic if you want some inspiration @keen horizon 🙂

I run display-case style I love RGB and ... especially that cool, calm blue or purple look as I sleep in the same room as this silent sys.

[keen horizon]

Ok

[karmic crow]

Liquid cooled CPU, the rest is air cooled. Local disk SSD Samsung sits behind the nVidia card.

Uploading a vid, as its easier to see then.

The motherboard just died on this from overheating so I replaced it with the same one, one model higher, ASrock B550 Pro4 for media/gaming. Had Fatal1ty Gaming one month back.

Got to watch those heat levels...

The PC is quiet, the noice you hear is the AC in the back of me. Edit: It gets really loud with the GPU fan when I start a full screen game 🙂 to keep the GPU under 60 deg celcius.

the RTX card is 11GB GDDR memory, Speccy app doesn't count the GPU memory correctly. hehe.

[sick sierra]

Which CPU Cooler is that ? I really like the look of it, Currently myself im running a Coolermaster ML120L

[keen horizon]

lmao

[untold snow]

Which CPU and Mainboard work with a RTX 4090 ?

[coarse fog]

I believe any motherboard and cpu would work with a gpu

your main concern is what cpu works with a motherboard

[weary flame]

My suggestion is, if mainly gaming, a 7800X3D with a decent B650

[vocal aurora]

bulllllllshit

[glad hatch]

Yes

[keen horizon]

lmao

[weary flame]

Lmao

Fucking 4060

Do a 12400F with a 3060

[native lagoon]

is a 12400f and a 6800 xt a good combo?

[karmic crow]

Hi @sick sierra ,NZXT makes some of the most beautiful LCD CPU display screens today. This one is the RGB Elite, for the brighter screen which was necessary for my lighting in my room which usually has lots of ceiling lights on. Check out The Kraken LCD for half the price, and as good cooling. Less bright screen.

I recommend Kraken over Elite unless you are in bright ceiling lighting.

[sick sierra]

Thank you for that, I’ll look into it ☺️ looks a really clean build you’ve got there

[weary flame]

Def not bad, but I'd suggest to look into a 7800X3D and a 6750xt or 6800xt depending on price

[summer topaz]

32gb of ram arrived to replace my 8gb

just wondering for the futer, ddr4 does not work in a ddr5 motherboard right? I look it up but only got stuff about dd5 on ddr4 motherboard or mismatching them.

[untold snow]

What should I chose ddr4 or ddr5 slots on motherboard?

[summer topaz]

I believe ddr5 is really cheap rn

[weary flame]

DDR5 isn't super cheap at all, but the latency benefits (game wise) and minimums you'll see in games imo makes it better

[normal oyster]

It's much better now but yeah it's still expensive

[weary flame]

A good 6000-6600 kit is on par with what a good 3600 was iirc

So it's fine?

Also you generally can only get 32 GB in dual stick configs

[obsidian bluff]

Who has a spear 4060 or 4060 ti laying around and can I have it or a 750 watt power supply

[karmic crow]

@obsidian bluff I have a 800W power supply, only 5000USD. Cheap! Go for it! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🙂

[karmic crow]

Nice joke. liked it 🙂

[foggy cloud]

Is the LGA 1700 series any good? was thinking about the 12700kf

[obsidian bluff]

i will pay for it

[obsidian bluff]

bru

[weary flame]

12700kf is older by now, I suggest a build with a 7800X3D

it's around, 350-400 I think? USD or EUR
And it overall outperforms whatever Intel has on average

[foggy cloud]

Okay yeah where i’m at it’s about 600

Canadian

[weary flame]

jeezes

That is in CAD

[devout wolf]

based berry

[foggy cloud]

yep

Sucks

[obsidian bluff]

What is a good motherboard for a price range of 300 to 500

[normal oyster]

overkill but I like my tachi X670E

but I recommend comparing a few non asus side by side, figure out which ports/features you actually need

then lookup reviews for those models that fit your needs

[weary flame]

^^

Pretty much it yeah

You can get an amazing board for way less

Which CPU are you getting?

[karmic crow]

To All1234, I recommend AMD for saving bundles of money, Intel for a few percent higher performance. In general, AMD is a better choice if you are going for the fastest machine for gaming. In other words, compared to the fastest Intel CPU and the fastest AMD CPU for gaming, you will get the same amount of speed in gaming - however, AMD will save you cash for money off your GPU.

This is what I have learned over several years of building systems.
Some people still need Intel. Totally fine by me.

[weary flame]

Yeah, Intel tends to win more, in production, but gaming price/perf and just gaming perf in general currently is in the hands of the 7800X3D

[karmic crow]

They're both great, just a feeling what you want.

Exsosus is sour... just had to help another person understand why motherboard workstations do not cool the system enough compared to a computer case. Sighs....

Like running a refridgerator, without a door. Works... but not (at all) intelligent.

[weary flame]

Motherboard, workstations....?

[karmic crow]

It's officially called a test bench, I'm sorry my English is not the first language:

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-build-computer-test-bench/

This above, is advisable for max a few days before heat wear - tear.

[weary flame]

Eeeeeeeh

Depends on how you build it

But those tend to be expensive builds and not recommended if you just want to have it

[devout wolf]

they're more for testing and overclocking setups

the issue is exposure to the elements

cooling situation is the same if not better

[weary flame]

That still doesn't change it

I have seen great openbench builds

[normal oyster]

They don't last due to dust exposure

And the lack of pumped air makes it much hotter overall

[weary flame]

While sdust is a problem, it doesn't have the "much" hotter issues

[spring agate]

the whole stuff is quite meh

for a beginner it's okay tho

compared to 144/165? Not really, you should get a 24" 1080p 16:9 first, preferably 144 Hz if gaming's your priority

[weary flame]

Oh, you're back?

It's been a while

But to the rig, overall it's good
Doesn't need anything drastically changed, especially if you just bought

[spring agate]

actually there's no reason for me to stay here anymore tbf

i don't use any shitseries garbage anymore

[untold snow]

What is better ddr4 or ddr5 in performance not the price

[weary flame]

DDR5 with good timings

[untold snow]

which would you recommend?

[weary flame]

Ask @spring agate , she knows more of it iirc

[spring agate]

depends on the platform since AMD has a few issues with RAM beyond 6000

[still sage]

My first desktop i build was with a i9 13900K a rtx 4090 and 32gb of ram at 7200

I didnt look at price

[pulsar fossil]

My first PC was also AMD

But 536Mhz and single core

[weary flame]

At least 6000 is so easy to run stable rn

[weary flame]

The good ol' days

[spring agate]

don't even remember what i had first... iirc it ran at 80 MHz

[weary flame]

My first was a 7100, but the 7800X3D I have now is really nice

[pulsar fossil]

My GPU had 8MB VRAM

:D

And I had a 15" Nokia CRT with built-in speakers

[weary flame]

Yeah I'm late it it all lmao

[pulsar fossil]

I'm also just.. A little older

[weary flame]

Probably :p

[weary flame]

Depends

My suggestion, for pure gaming, still is the 7800X3D with a decent B650

[weary flame]

Where...?

@noble oakWhat's the budget?

Jeez

You should be able to get a 7800X3D and a 2TB SSD for that

[weary flame]

And a 7800X3D gives more perf, you can later upgrade to 8 or 9000 series if you want to

And 2 TB is relatively cheap for what it used to be

[normal oyster]

33mhz 68040

[pulsar fossil]

Damn you're old

[normal oyster]

Late 30s

Haha

[pulsar fossil]

Then you're not that much older than me 😂

I'm in the middle

[normal oyster]

first PC was a hand me down from my fasha

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_quadra/specs/mac_quadra_630.html

LOVED THAT THING

[sudden pike]

bro that things older then me

by 2 times lol

[normal oyster]

Yup and I sat on the floor floppies of mac os 7.1 in hand dragging files to the trash and restarting to see how it broke. And now I do pen testing and cyber security

[sudden pike]

lmaoo

1994 though

holy

with a sweet amount of 4mb ram

thats nice that you grew up playing with it

[normal oyster]

Oh I got my ASS handed to me when I realized he was behind me yelling "what the hell did you just do" when the sad Mac icon came up

Hand me down mac

[sudden pike]

lmaoo

my parents had a commodore 64 or smth

[normal oyster]

That was very common

[sudden pike]

ohh

was the mac not?

bro

theyre all selling for $1000+ right now

what steelseries item do you have?

[normal oyster]

commadore 64 was innexpensive and marketed to the masses, Macs were very expensive by comparison to most PCs due to lower production volumes

then Steve jobs came with the iMac, threw the entire history of the Mac and the genius who created them away (yes I know steve jobs was there at the start too), and threw away all the open and inclusivity wozniack wanted to foster to turn them into design pieces with a status symbol pricing to match

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hulk-raar-avengers-angry-furious-gif-21844014

[sudden pike]

Oh damn

How rxpendive exactly?

[normal oyster]

I remember when Wozniack was on dancing with the stars, on air jailbroke kathy griffith's iphone and said "you aren't cool unless you jailbreak" causing apple PR to panic

[normal oyster]

well, computers back then were around 2-4 thousand I think, with macs often at the upper end just because they weren't produced at scale

the quadra was a low end machine, and it was $1300

$1,300 in 1994 is worth $2,699.90 today

[sudden pike]

Damn

That’s like

Really expensive

Plus peiple didn’t know what they were much right

[normal oyster]

erm, was that a sentence?

[sudden pike]

Oh

Maybe it was before

Lol

[normal oyster]

what were you trying to say

[sudden pike]

H

Oh

[normal oyster]

"know what they were much right"

[sudden pike]

I ment like

[normal oyster]

what the heck does that mean

[sudden pike]

People didn’t really use pcs at that time right

So they wouldn’t justify paying that price?

[normal oyster]

well, no. PC market was primarily to buisnesses, and dialup internet was only just a thing

to put in perspective.... go to speedtest and give me your internet speed

[sudden pike]

No mine is really bad

I’m embarrassed

Lol

[normal oyster]

come on, do it

you will be shocked

[weary flame]

Can't be worse than my old setup

[sudden pike]

50mbps

[normal oyster]

ok, one sec

[sudden pike]

Alrigjt

[normal oyster]

so 50 MBps = about 6.25 MBps

back in the 90's, you normally had a 28.8 Baud modem

[weary flame]

470 down, 347 up
But up peaked at 500

But it was so much worse

[normal oyster]

or 28.8 Kbps = 3.6 KBps, if you were lucky you had 56kbps with under 7 KBps with a 56k baud modem

so.... by context at BEST.... 7 KBPS (normally averaged 5.5) = .0068 MBps

6.25 MBps is = to 919x speed of the 90s

or 1 second of your download would take 15.3 minutes to do

[sudden pike]

Damn

That’s pretty good eh

Nah but what in the

How’s ur internet now?

[normal oyster]

well. I work via my home internet, so around 300 Mbps

but honestly, above 16 is good for just about anything

don't let ANYONE tell you that you need "FAST" internet for gaming

LAG and latency =! download speed

[sudden pike]

Bro

300

Man it literally takes me the whole day to do 1 cod update

[normal oyster]

well, thats because you are investing in a stolen franchise

https://tenor.com/view/get-on-soapbox-soapbox-american-dad-gif-22721825

[sudden pike]

Stolen?

Wdym

[normal oyster]

COD was created by infinity ward back in the 2000's. Activision (I believe) contracted and bought the company as part of an agreement for the next few days, with the largest payout being at the end of the game creation agreement.

like 3 days before a multi-billion payout was due to the devs of the game, they fired the lot of them, and due to the terms of the contract ended up getting the rights to the franchise

they lost in court and had to pay, but this was years later, and were able to retain the rights to the franchise they attempted to steal

[sudden pike]

Oh damn

[normal oyster]

https://kotaku.com/scandal-hits-call-of-duty-devs-what-we-know-update-5483492

[sudden pike]

No wonder I’ve bought the same game 3 times in a row lol

MW, MW2 MW3

ALL THE SAME BRO

[normal oyster]

welcome to the concept of burning money and learning to make better choices

[sudden pike]

Lmao

And the bad thing is that the previous game dies

[normal oyster]

yup, again, wasting money

[sudden pike]

They somehow made it able to die after a year

And want to buy the next one

Probs how they’re so rich

[normal oyster]

you paid 70 dollars for 18 months of support

[sudden pike]

Wait u in us?

[normal oyster]

yerp

[sudden pike]

Ohh

Nah but apparently fifas worse

They cut out the server of a old game when a new one releases

[normal oyster]

ok... my friend, my friend. Let's teach you the wonders of single player games and games with standalone servers

[sudden pike]

Wdym

But both has multiplayer servers

[normal oyster]

actual plot, story, gameplay vs just repetitive loop of the same 10 minutes of gameplay

[sudden pike]

Oh yea

That’s true

[summer topaz]

Actually really good, god damn

I got a 1660 super and a 1440 and I had 8gb of ram and this was above average normally when I played with friends

[silver dove]

I need help check general

[normal oyster]

please do not ping in multiple channels

[neon ice]

what's the difference between omni point 1 vs omni point 2. And whats keyboard will best for me. (70%work(typing,krypto) and 30% games like fortnite/lol) I will be very grateful

[summer topaz]

The Razer seems better in my opinion and is what I would go for but there is a price difference of 20$ there

I think the razer looks more ergonomic but also depends on your hand size, and I don't know how the friction on their feet are so you could watch a video.

Well, just see what feels best then

I heard that's good

[weary flame]

Difference is something that, if you don't use it, doesn't matter too much
Check if the 7 has switches you like, otherwise look at the Apex 5 or the Apex pro

[idle tree]

What's a good and cheap monitor that I can buy?

[devout wolf]

and third party servers

[sudden pike]

thats good

[sudden pike]

wait what steelseries thing do you have?

[sudden pike]

im looking for one too lol

[summer topaz]

Samsung has some, that's what I have

[normal oyster]

Arctis nova 7 and the rainbow flair

Why

For kb I got a ducky one 3

[sudden pike]

Ohh

[sudden pike]

Ohh with a good refresh rate

[sudden pike]

Just wondering lol

[summer topaz]

I mean, 75hz

Is what I have

[sudden pike]

Oh that’s not bad

It’s big!

?

[weary flame]

What's the price

and only if you want

You don't need it

[robust meadow]

for 200 you can guy 144hz 2k monitors 🙂

btw thatss 240 not 165

oh ups

idk ngl if it would make that big of a diff

ill go...

[toxic raft]

painfully average and not good for anything competitive

[sudden pike]

Oh lol

I need a 244

[toxic raft]

if you got 240fps go for it, but it should be an ips panel, i'd rather go 1440p 144hz ips though, around the same price

[normal oyster]

Remember too above 144 is often hard to see, requires lower quality settings and alot more cost for power

[weary flame]

you will only notice it really if you do competitive enough

And I think at this point OLED has come far enough that it's better for high refresh due to it's very nature

[devout wolf]

yeah don't really have a choice with OLED but to go 240 sometimes

like the 27GR95QE and PG27AQDM

[delicate crystal]

then leave xD

[foggy cloud]

advice or changes on this build? storage is covered but not sure what to do about mb just yet. i have a computer already but upgrading it - https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/t4nvZJ

[weary flame]

Look if you can find a 7800XT for around that price

Should be possible

For the rest, the Peerless Assassin scores well, I'm not entirely sure about this cooler

For the rest, no notes, solid build

[foggy cloud]

Thank you

Damnit they’re all real expensive like a good $200-$300 CAD more than the 6750xt, i was gonna go with nvidia but i hear great things about the amd cards

[weary flame]

Oh yeah

I was thinking USD lmao

[foggy cloud]

My bad

[weary flame]

Yeah then it's fine

No, it'(s my fault

Do see for a 6800xt, but otherwise, yeah, just get it

[foggy cloud]

I appreciate your help

[shell sorrel]

yes its a good monitor i have it

[hoary void]

Is there a big difference between ryzen 5 and ryzen 7?

is it worth buying a 7?

[weary flame]

It depends

What you wanna do?

[obsidian bluff]

what is better for a 4060 ti for power supply 650 or 750 or do i need more

[jaunty raptor]

it depends on your cpu

but personaly I would go for a 1000W Power Supply If you wanna upgrade later

[obsidian bluff]

no im not and if i did i would buy a new pc my cpu is i5 12400f

[jaunty raptor]

then 750 is more than enough

[weary flame]

I think even a 650W should be enough

[jaunty raptor]

yea probably

[gilded glacier]

hey

does anyone have any gaming laptop recommendations? it's for a friend. He wants a 1tb ssd if possible, and something good enough to run minecraft on good settings + shaders and texture packs

I'd know a bit about it if it was PCs but idk anything about laptops so I'd rather ask someone who knows than say some bs

[weary flame]

Honestly you can't go wrong with a lot, but I suggest to get the AMD X3D laptop CPU

One sec

A 7745 mobile CPU

[gilded glacier]

Could you send me an example maybe?

[weary flame]

https://rog.asus.com/laptops/rog-strix/rog-strix-scar-17-x3d-2023/

[gilded glacier]

uhhhh I forgot to mention the price

that seems.. AT LEAST.. very expensive

I can't find the price anywhere though

oh ok it's 3.2k euros

welp.. do you have something around 900€?

@weary flame

[weary flame]

Gl finding something really good

[gilded glacier]

Didn't say "really good"

I said it should run minecraft well.

[weary flame]

Try a Ryzen 7000 CPU

[devout wolf]

damn didn't know they threw 3d cache into mobile

[devout wolf]

which country?

[gilded glacier]

Germany

[devout wolf]

ooh okay geizhals time

give me a sec

[gilded glacier]

yep

take your time

[devout wolf]

@gilded glacier this is a little over budget but it's the best in the price range https://geizhals.de/acer-nitro-5-an515-57-705n-nh-qcbev-005-a2535392.html?hloc=de

or if he can't go over: https://geizhals.de/msi-gf63-thin-12vf-1030-0016r8-1030-a3030865.html?hloc=de

[gilded glacier]

why geizhals? (just asking btw cause I don't know about it)

oh also it needs to be windows

[devout wolf]

it's a search engine for all retailers in Germany

like pcpartpicker

[gilded glacier]

ooh

so can you also use it literally as a pc part list?

cause prices on pcpartpicker are often very different in countries other than US

[gilded glacier]

[devout wolf]

not sure why nbb sells all their laptops without windows but it's easy enough to install

hmm

[gilded glacier]

sorry, if it'd be for me it'd be much easier

but I don't know 100% what my friend wants. He just said that he wants windows, and as I said here:

[devout wolf]

why are all of them non-Windows 😭

could you check this one out I'm not allowed in the website https://geizhals.de/redir/AQAAAHi9B9XHVBTpD8h9b8IP5xC3Ikd4zYNenx7Aks3y8Oq0TUVwnwOLkEnP-y-_txmkgdtOlXyx2IasWgr9tQFlqJh3erhO9FCTX5LLS_X0EL_6l0IvGAVu1lRbsXZ2cAI-AQYlR295hyvmzjq8AeCK4-FM6s4QltnM_8cEXOF7s8q_ze1tc1E9nyxBUx2e4PTzKLKmuFjQtfIOpOHYZtnyRZTOaWhObFXPAuBRYjrv7XCWuaArX-ECUVJwHQB0b6AKwdXjPlGccU4JA66lGyvad6E6yFAQZqhxL95No8ii2Xfact2yzxHMHHfQVLIeGcoYQw

[gilded glacier]

DOS

[crude trench]

Installing windows is not that hard) Mostly laptop with windows cost 200$ more for windows license)

[gilded glacier]

it's not hard but he doesn't know anything about pcs really

and doesn't trust me to do it either

for some reason

[gilded glacier]

the laptop itself is good, but it's DOS (which tbh I don't know what it means)

I know it's disk operating system but idk what it means

[devout wolf]

probably freeDOS or something, Windows was also DOS once 💀

[gilded glacier]

then that's not good, is it?

oh it just says "Kein Betriebssystem" (No Operating System)

[jaunty raptor]

https://geizhals.de/acer-nitro-5-an515-45-r97z-nh-qbceg-00h-a2640239.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

https://geizhals.de/lenovo-ideapad-gaming-3-15ach6-shadow-black-82k2014age-a2683548.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

These are the only ones in the price range of 900€ with windows

But you can't get a 1tb ssd preinstalled in this price range

https://geizhals.de/medion-erazer-deputy-p30-md62393-30033695-a2917808.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

https://geizhals.de/lenovo-ideapad-gaming-3-15iah7-onyx-grey-82s900qmge-a2926900.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

[jaunty raptor]

these two are the cheapest with a 1tb ssd

[gilded glacier]

I'm guessing this one would be better?

Thanks btw

[jaunty raptor]

jo

[gilded glacier]

btw

I still don't understand which is better.
AMD or Intel?

not related to the laptops at all

[jaunty raptor]

Amds high end prossesors are better in gaming but intels are better in pretty much everything else

[gilded glacier]

hm

I heard that it's the opposite

Because of AMDs usually having faster multicore speeds, therefore being better at multitasking and basically doing a lot of stuff at the same time

While intel has slower multicore speeds, but its singlecore speed being crazy. Idk though that's probably just scratching the surface of whatever the reason actually is

[weary flame]

That's not really true?

Neither of those points?

Like dual CCD products generally have issues with gaming due to latency if the game doesn't have tight rules on those
But the 7800X3D is really good with it being a single CCD

Intel is also still really good in gaming and, while overall, loosing to AMD agaisn tthe 7800X3D, it still has solid scaling and competitiveness to non X3D parts
Further both are better or worse in different workloads
I forgot which ones, but both are better at some, and worse at others

[normal oyster]

I'm having good results with my 7950x3d

Does require the driver though for ccd association

[weary flame]

More so Xbox game bar, or did the change that?

I've a 7800X3D so I don't have to deal with it lmao

[normal oyster]

Yeah it's annoying but easy

Not really messing with it too much

[weary flame]

For me the bigger issue that Xbox game bar is like, literally so broken, I cannot properly use it and I don't want to anymore

[normal oyster]

Oh I never touch it

Literally at first game boot I check a box

Then it's basically all feature disabled

[worldly topaz]

planning to upgrade from a Ryzen 5800/3060. Mostly playing Tarkov and ARK.
Anything I should swap? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gVbTPF

[neat fog]

Fuck

[weary flame]

Yeah,completely fair ngl

[weary flame]

Lower memory speed, Ryzen 7000 doesn't cope that well yet, but it's become better by a lot
Two sticks at 6600 is possible now, but you still need luck
6000 is stable

[normal oyster]

being honest, if you got a 5800, its likely going to go to waste unless you are doing production workloads. The GPU upgrade is legit, but a CPU upgrade and whole PC upgrade will not truely affect your gaming worth the investment.

that being said, Thermalright Phantom Spirit is a better cooler IIRC (I have the assassin 120)

Ram make sure to get EXPO memory if you can, and 6000 is the sweet spot, above that you get minor gains but alot more instability https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/memory/cmh32gx5m2b6000z30k/vengeance-rgb-32gb-2x16gb-ddr5-dram-6000mt-s-c30-amd-expo-memory-kit-cmh32gx5m2b6000z30k

those are some of the best because they have Hynx memory and lowest in class EXPO latency

[weary flame]

it's the "sweetspot" for price stuff

[worldly topaz]

Thanks for the tips!
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/87WyVW

I think I've got those swaps in.
Are you talking about general gaming regarding the CPU, or tarkov specifically? From what I understand from the community you get a significant performance improvement from the X3D chips because of the cache.

[normal oyster]

It's a gen on gen switch, with a midrange GPU. You aren't going to get any true benefit outside of a placebo effect

I would upgrade the GPU and put the money back into the bank

I had a 8600k, a 5 year old CPU with a 6900 XT, and upgrading to a 7950X3D had maybe a 5-10% increase. Can't imagine your increases are going to really do anyhting beyond the GPU itself

https://tenor.com/view/just-saying-bugs-bunny-shrug-looney-tunes-my-opinion-gif-17547734

[jaunty briar]

What Sire Salty said. Get a 4070ti and a 1000w power supply and have way, way more fps than with whats in your plan.

and dont let yourself get confused or panicced by "OmG YouRe BoTtLeNeCkeD" LTT fanbois.

my brother is running a 4070ti on a 8600K (i think, its z290 platform) - pcie 3.0, BoTtLeNeCkEd in theory, still outperforming me in most titles while i run 5800X / 3080ti

[worldly topaz]

Thanks for your experience!
Are those titles including tarkov? I'm not trying to be a snob or anything, that's just specifically what I play mostly, and from what I know it's an odd duck.

I believe the 5800x is slightly more powerful than the 5800, correct?

I know these are not the 7800x3d. I've compared a lot of benchmarks for them, but these show 13-30% improvement with a midrange GPU from the previous generation
~13% https://youtu.be/3NO9knvuTYg?t=108

30% https://youtu.be/4LyPX9lJOVw?t=615

Hopefully the confusion is understandable.

[weary flame]

I still suggest to get the 7800XT

Way better price/perf

Don't ever go for the "oh but this perform better for % price increase"

[normal oyster]

ew 4070

@worldly topaz I recommend if you want an upgrade, get the 7800 XT and make no other changes to your system

[weary flame]

^^

if you don't need a CPU upgrade

Wait for 8000 to come out, get a 7800X3D for cheap with a B650 or something

So you get the benefits of a new socket for less than now

[jaunty briar]

yeah if you dont care about frame generation and DLSS 3 , get an AMD card.