💻-building-a-pc

[weary flame]

Just get a good DDR4 3600 CL16 kit

I know that that's the sweet spot
But AMD likes higher frequency ram, but you'll have to look at which speed and timings perform better

[bitter void]

got it

[arctic panther]

I think I'll buy 7600x, I don't need 7700x that much, I think if necessary in the future I will sell 7600x and buy 7700x

[weary flame]

Get a 7600 if you can get
Enable PBO

You'll spare probably 25-50 bucks

And with PBO they're nearly identical

[arctic panther]

@weary flame

[arctic panther]

How many MHz with 6000MHz ram expo?

[weary flame]

DDR5?

And I'm sorry
I do not understand the question

[twin kiln]

which processor is compatible with a GTX 960 DE 2G
?

[noble oak]

Gpus are always compatible with any processor supporting pcie x16

As long as there is a pcie x16 slot any gpu should run

[weary flame]

Not really

Not all GPU's are compatible with all CPU's
Regardless of the PCIe size

But you should be fine with any recent CPU

Even Ryzen 1000 and Intel like, idk, 6th gen will be fine

Probably earlier

[split atlas]

do u think a laptop with amd ryzen 7-6800H and rtx 3060 is good for a price of £1250?

Or a laptop w intel i5-12500H and rtx 4060 for £1400

?

[rancid zinc]

this one for sure

imo

[split atlas]

Kk

[wispy jolt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RV_Alt/saved/#view=NRZJwP build plan 👍

[shut bluff]

I like that you invested in anti vibration pads

[slim stream]

Heyooo i'm getting my pc in the next couple weeks and i am planning on streaming, gaming and making vids with it, i am thinking of getting a new headset but i need it to work on pc and ps5 i think i do anyway, what would be a good option to get

[tepid marlin]

6000?

I have ddr5 ram 6000MHz, have to turn on expo for it to be 6000 though

[storm pond]

whats a good gpu match for a i5 9400f

[split atlas]

A steelseries arctic headset

either 3 series or 5 series

idk about nova pro or arctic 7

[split atlas]

But I recommend this one

[split atlas]

Also do you think this is a good setup to save up for?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Wavyt/saved/ks8ZQ7

[split atlas]

Maybe a 3080 or lower

but u could go for a higher one like a 4060

if u want

In terms of price I would choose a 3060ti

[halcyon sand]

3080 will probably be bottlenecked by cpu

even 2060 has >20% bottleneck afaik

I'd think about upgrading cpu

[split atlas]

oh

[cunning vigil]

4070 ti is the best

[split atlas]

Yeh thats what im thinking to buy

[cunning vigil]

in the pubg u have 400fps stable 🙂

[noble oak]

i wann pc in with gta 5 1m fps

stableeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[split atlas]

510 constant fps?

@noble oak

?

[storm pond]

I5 13600k and a 3070 is what im thinking to get just not sure which mobo

[split atlas]

mobo?

[weary flame]

Depends
What do youi want for connection, etc

You will 100% hav eto go with an Z790 with the k model

But dependant on how much USB-C, USB and other things you want, it changes

Probably also front IO

[storm pond]

Is there much reason to get 790? I could just get 690 to save some money

[weary flame]

You need to do a bios update

[noble oak]

4090?

I5 13600k and 4090 or 4070

maybe 3090

[storm pond]

Was looking to get 3070

[bold parrot]

Can anyone help me with a pc

I dont really know much about them

[weary flame]

Anyway, what do you want in terms of IO?

[noble oak]

Any case recomendations that looks stylish with good airflow?

Atx

[weary flame]

oooooooooooh

Yes

My favourite case as of late actually

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north/chalk-white/

Has a couple of colour options

[halcyon sand]

It's so clean

I love it

[weary flame]

You're welcome

Cooling is on par with the Meshify, obviously worse as that one's full mesh, but this one just looks nicer

There is a black and gold version btw

[reef stump]

Hey! Anyone a computer genius and can help me with my pc
Doesn’t find any boot device even tho I have my m.2 in.
In bios is reads there’s a m.2 in storage info but no where else does a read a drive

[weary flame]

Did you initialise it in bios?

[reef stump]

Wait sorry I think I might have just got it
It finally showed in the ssd erase
Tried that and now it’s showing on windows set up
Wish me luck!
I’ve been at this for 2 days

I think my octane was messing something up in bios

[weary flame]

You probably just didn't initialise the drive

Which makes it not show up

[reef stump]

Idk I took out my octane then erased my m.2 from bios and it started showing up

I was upgrading my CPU and motherboard. Using my old drives from my pc

Anyway it’s installing windows now so I hope this works

[weary flame]

I hope it works for ya too <3

[noble oak]

Love it, and it's soon in stock for me. I'm just torn between mesh or glass

[weary flame]

Ah, fair

The mesh is okay, but it can have backwards effects

At least for airflow

The glass does not

But then you have the "do i wanna see or not" dilemma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aor-3v6N7i8

GN's review

I think they do sell a metal plate tho

[reef stump]

It works! Thanks for listening I guess 😂

[weary flame]

Np

[storm pond]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MZRVk9

any opinions or suggestions on this build? storage and ram are just place holder since i will be using those parts from my old build?

[twin hare]

Great value build for sure

This was last gens mid-high end but current gens highly efficient bang for buck

The modern gaming environment hasn’t been something demanding the “latest and greatest for a good experience” dynamic either. So don’t think going previous Gen is harmful

[weary flame]

If possible
Maybe an NVMe drive, you probably don't need a hardrive, no?

Oh

Nvm on the storage

Do suggest an M.2 SSD

[stiff sierra]

Hello guys, could you please tell me if my build is good enough?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sQCrNc

I live in France so pricing is off.
The total is at 1000 EUR = $1084,40

haven't decided if I need to buy a better cooler other than the stock one (Wraith stealth)
pcpartpicker doesn't recognize the power supply: it's an Aerocool Lux 750w 80+ Bronze (https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07VL3BYGP/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1) at $76,88

Usage for gaming (COD,Warzone 2,), no idea if I should aim for a 1440p monitor with at least 144hz

Thanks!

[weary flame]

Yes

Get a better cooler

And up to a 5700 maybe

The price differences are almost minimal iirc

[stiff sierra]

Alright thank you I'll check on that 🙂

[kind pivot]

hey guys

[split atlas]

hey,

do you think a ryzen 7-76800H and a rtx 3060 is a good combo?

[kind pivot]

no

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X and Nvidia A100 graphics card is good combo

[weary flame]

If you can up the GPU

But that's not bad

Ryzen 7000 has been amazing for energy consumption and heat for what it does

[split atlas]

wb a ryzen 7-7735HS and a 4060?

[weary flame]

That's also not bad

Probably more balanced

[split atlas]

K

[keen portal]

Best ram for ddr4 (32 gigs) and best overkill CPU cooler for 5600x (why overkill Bc i could change it to 5800x3d

Anyone can give me some options

[weary flame]

CL 16, 3600

Save money on the 5600, as PBO will give it X series power

And 5600x isn't overkill

It's pretty much the standard nowadays

[twin hare]

Its not the best value ram out there but Corsair Vengence Pro SL is what I have, their XMP by default gets them 3200Mhz and easily OC'd beyond. Timings did not need tuning at all with 5800x in memtest64

[keen portal]

Sorry

İ now see i didnt typed CPU cooler

[weary flame]

Any AIO that's at least 240mm

But you can get a good air cooler anyway

5000 doesn't run hot

[vale plover]

im pretty sure the like normal G.skill stuff is the best value

definitely doesn't look the best tho

i have the g.skill trident ram however

[weary flame]

G.skill is far from the best ram, especially bang for buck

It also depends on what you have in the country you arer

Lemme pull some 3600 CL16

Kingston Fury Renegade KF436C16RBK2/16 is for me the best one

16 GB, 2 sticks, 3600MHz CL16

It depends is what I mean

[vale plover]

fair enough

[weary flame]

I am fairly lucky that my country has a site where you have so much stats you can change, like even price/mb

[sturdy bramble]

Hi everyone! I just built my first PC in over a decade.

(1) Samsung Pro SSD 2TB M.2 NVME
(10) Noctua NF-F12 PWM 120mm Case Fans
Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE RGB 360mm AIO
Corsair1200 80 Plus Platinum ATX modular PSU
Asus X670E-E ROG Strix Gaming WiFi
(2) 32GB Corsair Vengence RGB DDR5 5600 MHz RAM
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 TUF Gaming Overclocked 24GB GDDR6X
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D 4.4GHz 12 core
Corsair 5000D Airflow Mid-Tower ATX Computer Case
AORUS FV43U 43" 4K Gaming Monitor
(2) SilverStone CPF04 PWM Fan Hubs

Anyone using the Asus x670E-E mobo?? I need some advice on an issue.

[twin hare]

Post box stack

[weary flame]

What's the issue?

The built itself is nice, maybe a tad overboard on the PSU, even with the 4090
But it's really nice

[brave ravine]

PSU could be ATX 3.0 if going that much overboard, tbh (unless it is and I saw wrong)

[noble oak]

I'm kinda dumb so is ram supposed to be shared with the gpu cuz I'm using 4 slots

[brave ravine]

this is just GPU ram

[weary flame]

@sturdy brambleCan you please tell me the board issue?
i'd love to help, but like

[weary flame]

So, the 8GB is the VRAM on the GPU
The 16 "shared" is from your PC itself (might I suggest 2 8GB sticks or even 2 16GB sticks)
The ram in your slots will give data to your GPU to well, make it do what a GPU does, and the GPU can use the ram sticks in your slots, but it generally won't because of latency

[sturdy bramble]

Hey! I appreciate that bit of info. It is absolutely NOT a ATX 3.0. I have a grace period to return the PSU I have. I was just looking for a better cable to use instead of two split 8 pin PCIe's to a the adapter that came with the 4090 because cable management... so, two of the yellow and black sheathed to the pictured "squid" into the RTX 4090... not attractive or efficient.

[sturdy bramble]

Thanks, @weary flame! I purposefully went a bit higher on the PSU wattage.

[weary flame]

Oh
Do get a 3.0 onr

Corsair has one

That's it

Maybe seasonic?

I don't keep up with PSUs tbh

Also not behind pc to look

[sturdy bramble]

And, to address the issue I'm having... first of all I appreciate you responding.. and, let me preface this issue by saying that I need to try reversing the polarity on the plugs, so, it's not a MOBO issue per se. I built an entire computer without any major issues, except for one small one... the power button LED won't light up! So, as I said, I still need to see if I connected the polarity correctly, but it seams pretty straight forward... plug the negative into the negative and positive into the positive. I just need to check again I think, but if it doesn't light up then do I need to RMA my hub on my case?

Oh, wait... one more thing I need to figure out the best way to wire up the fans. I've got all of these fans.. should I use a controller? Or, is it best to try and connect my fans to the headers on mobo? Will that give me better flexibility, or control? I want to utilize as many of the mobo's features as possible. Any advice on that would be appreciated!!

[weary flame]

So

1. Yes, probably polarity

2. Controller

You have very limited amount of fan headers

[sturdy bramble]

I'm going to see what I can find, and return the PSU. Thank you!

[weary flame]

What you can do is use multiple controllers
Let's say for intake and outtake, separately

But the controllers you can wire one cable to the back of the case, where wires are hidde , and from there plug a lot more

Lemme see something rq

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c3dggnkaEs8

J2C probably went over it

I'm a tad tired rn

But it's basically running one cable to the back of the tray where your controller is, and splitting off from the controller to individual fans

I don't suggest using all fan headers, it's not really useful, and if you want a nice, tidy look, don't

[sturdy bramble]

And, because my fans and the controller is PWM that means I should be able to control groups of them or each one individually via the mobo's software. That's my concern, I want all of the control and I want all of the fan speeds to be read correctly.

[weary flame]

You do you

I don't know exactly how etc

You'll have to experiment

Anyway
Gn

If you ever have issues or questions

I do be existing, I guess

But now I'll sleep

So I'll be half existing

[sturdy bramble]

HAHA Okay. You get some sleep, sir. ...Thanks, Berry. Much appreciated for the advice.

[weary flame]

Ma'am*

But hes

Yes

GN

[brave ravine]

And you're 100% sure you don't have the controller for fans inside the chassis anyhow? I got one of the newer ones from Bequiet and I got the controller on the backplate, for tidy plugging in

[brave ravine]

yeah I did a similar thing, seemed silly to risk any possible surges for a few euros of difference, even with high efficiency

[weary flame]

Eh, OCP and OTP is better than it was 30 series launch

Let alone

If you truly want "future proof" and "safety"
ATX 3.0 is sorta the way to go
If more board give us the 10 pin on the board itself, that'd be even better

[brave ravine]

hehe agreed

[weary flame]

I think Corsair will give at least a 24 to 10 pin adaptor

But I hope it becomes the basic standard for the board

It can give like, ~200 watts

Over the board

And you should still have the 12v CPU ones anyway

It's like those sideways or backwards plugs I want to become standard on boards

It not only looks nicer

But it also is nicer

Also the 180° bend cables have to make sometimes is just D:

One wrong thing and my 24 pin could poof

[brave ravine]

haha yeah sweating profusely

I hope we standardise some things that should be just ... standard

[weary flame]

Yup

Debug LED

Sideways or backwards plugs

Hell

If there was space to plug the GPU cable from the back

With how long most are nowadays, linger than the board, we could easily put plugs right back side, so they directly go into a grommet

[brave ravine]

yeah, I have a large chassis but 4080 is right up against the glass, doesn't feel good

but these new chassis changes are pretty sweet, inbuilt controller on some, very nice cable management, modular components, was a nice upgrade from a quite old one

hopefully we won't have just proprietary sheet locked behind companies and poorly implemented, as usual

[sturdy bramble]

Exactly. And, I want power for future expansions.

[weary flame]

Fractal has been putting an addressable RGB/WPM controller in their cases for ages iirc

It's quite nice

And I love the look of the Torrent, meshify and especially North

[weary flame]

Hell, they even gave you a new fan controller when they messed up in the torrent, with a recall campaign where they contacted you if possible

Before any drama came of it, without ignoring it

Just, before there really was news "hey, we know about the controller, we'll give you a free one, just contact us"

[sturdy bramble]

The case came with a PWM controller on it! I just want to make sure I can adjust fan speeds and that my read outs for fan RPM on my utilities software is showing correctly... There's an AI controlled fan software that I want to make sure can utilize the fans to their best capabilities for overheating situations.

The monitor I got The Aorus FV43U has some OSD software, and it keeps crashing. The worst part is that without that software I can't adjust some of the settings. I still need to run benchmarks, and stress test the system, but, right now, that is the worst thing about this set up. I'm missing out because of crap software.

[primal ferry]

what aios are recommended?

[weary flame]

Uuuuh

Galahad, Liquid Freezer 2, the Fractal one

Dependant on the CPU

But try to get at least a 240mm one

[brave ravine]

Liquid freezer is indeed good, and quite cheap

[noble lintel]

hi

i need help with my keyboard steel

What is the difference between these two options? is buneo if I have both at 0.02?

[weary flame]

So, if you look at the press, one is .2
The other is 1

The second is the second actuation, you can put a trigger distance for a second actuation, which means that a shorter press is, let's say, walking, while a longer is running

[vital pollen]

A question ryzen 7 5700x . 32gb ram , rtx 3070 vs ryzen 5 5600x , 16 gb and rtx 3060 ti
is it worth paying 300$ more for first built ?

[sturdy bramble]

That's awesome! IS the keyboard model called Steel?

[sturdy bramble]

If you're looking to save money, I don't think the marginal difference in performance between 3060 ti and 3070 is going to make that much of a difference, but I'd need to look at specs! In other words that ti should be so close in performance to 3070 that it might make the most sense to keep the cash!

Looking at both build as a whole and just picking between the two.. in my humble opinion, I'd think the first one's performance might warrant an extra $300 because of the upgraded CPU and 32 Gb of ram coupled with a better graphics card. It's a tight race!

Isn't there a website you can "build" a PC and see performance stats? I thought there was a site like that? Anyone know of one? I'm sure you could find similar builds on https://pcpartpicker.com/ that has been tested, right?

Also, I think you might need to be more specific about the RAM.. exactly what the speed is. DDR4 I assume?

LEt's just say DDR 4 at 3200 MHz. I found Corsair Vengence for $42.99

[vital pollen]

its actually pre built i know lot of people gets mad when you mention that you wont built pc hahahah
yeah i didnt want to get into to much details ig i just said 3 4 thing so it wont be to long , but thank you for your time im still considering both options cus if i want cheaper one i can get it right now and for this first one i would need to wait another month or so

[sturdy bramble]

What's your budget?

[vital pollen]

but ig spending more on something you gonna use for a long time is worth it , i got this pc im using rn in 2018 and im just upgrading rn from that one

[sturdy bramble]

No shame in buying a quality pre-built! I was contemplating it! And, I've built many PC's.

[vital pollen]

around 1200-1500 euros

[sturdy bramble]

oh, you can get a good one! I think you'd be happy with the 3060ti versus the 3070 if that's the performance range your looking at. Do you have the website for the place your thinking about buying each one from? I can get more info from them

[vital pollen]

well its Croatian website so ... you dont need to waste your time on that but i really appreciate it , thank you

[sturdy bramble]

HEre's one with your top tier equipment for $1,200 USD, so it might be cheaper in Euro, and this one is pretty great! https://pcpartpicker.com/b/7jHzK8

[sturdy bramble]

Croatian or not... all the tech specs are the same! Tech specs are universal hahaha

[vital pollen]

yeah i know but i wanted to save you the trouble 😅

[feral fractal]

I agree, the difference is performance of those graphics cards isn't going to be very large. I'd go for the better deal.

The difference between a Ryzen5 and Ryzen7 is one to consider much more, in my opinion.
My initial build was with a R7 2700X (8 core), which I later upgraded to my R7 3900XT (12 core). They're completely different generations, but the amount of total processing power was worth it to me.

A year ago I upgraded my 16GB-3200 ram to 32GB-3200. I found it to be quite worthwhile, as I sometimes saw over 20GB being used while running certain games or applications.

[sturdy bramble]

Evan knows.. The upgraded CPU is going to make your experience better out of those two choices.

So maybe the first build with the 3060ti?

[feral fractal]

I was lucky enough to pay retail prices for everything, so my build is around $2000 not including storage. This was over several years though, my initial build was less than 50% of the current performance.

[feral fractal]

^ I'd do this

I've had a few different RTX cards and they perform very well
(not to mention, I personally like all of the nvidia software a lot)

[sturdy bramble]

RAM speed and CPU are going to make a world of difference. I upgraded a 12 year old PC with double the RAM... night and freakin' day!

[feral fractal]

And the performance of the Ryzen 5000 series is wonderful. I'm a little bit regretful that I bought a 3900XT over a 5000 series.

[vital pollen]

yeah i believe its possible to change couple of things in that store
and the thing is that i play valorant a lot and its more of cpu than gpu game so better cpu will be helpful cus i want to be able to capture things without my fps to go lower than 150 at least

[feral fractal]

you'd thank yourself later on for getting the 5700X

and if you're playing on 1080p or 1440p, a 3060Ti will be plenty

[feral fractal]

the price to performance you get anymore is super impressive if you can manage to pay retail prices

[storm pond]

Rtx 3070 or 3070 ti?

[brave ravine]

afaik there isn't much difference between hz in gaming use-cases, if you aren't going with slowest vs the fastest? You probably get a few fps max if you would upgrade from, let's say 3200mhz CL16/18 to some 4000+ mhz ram, amount of ram might be more noticable if you don't have enough I think. CPU goes without saying, yeah, but even that stops at some point, my CPU just goes between 7 and 15% in most non-cpu exclusive tasks

[brave ravine]

if you want, you can link the site and I check out what can be changed 🙂 mogu da razumem

[weary flame]

Nope

Not at all

[weary flame]

It's the steelseries Alex 9 or pro iirc

Apex*

[weary flame]

@sturdy bramble

It's not worth it

[weary flame]

Not in this case

5600 and 5700 is just

Not that big

Even with ram speeds

They're just good enough that difference barely will matter

[keen portal]

U dont need to change CPU but its worth

[obsidian schooner]

yo

i just bought a pc with rtx 3060 12gb, i5 12400f , and geil evo potenza 8x2 ram for 880 bucks is it expensive or deal?

880 usd

[weary flame]

that's not too bad

Ram?

Board?

[obsidian schooner]

motherboard is

uhh

wait

prime h610m-k d4

[weary flame]

oof

Try to get at least an uh

I need to check rq

I think B660

The H board will just, not really be good

You're leaving a lot of PCIe on the board

Not

the same board

[native temple]

yeah that is a rip off

you can buy a new rig for that with alot more in it that would include the new I7 or I9

check out micro center

[snow prawn]

Trying to decide between asus strix z690e or the newer model the z790e anybody got any thoughts on them? Or is the 790e actually worth the extra 150 bucks or so?

[solemn wagon]

where does any store have anything with a 13th gen (or 12th gen for that matter) i7/9 cpu for 900 usd?

[native temple]

Like I said go to microcenter

[solemn wagon]

i go to microcenter on a regular basis and chceking their site the only things they have in that price range are 12th gen i5s with igpus lol

you're comparing apples to oranges

[native temple]

Ok good luck

[solemn wagon]

man i'm really glad i taught myself about this stuff when i was a kid so i don't have to rely on strangers online that don't know what they're talking about lol, him getting that for 880 usd is a decent deal, straight up

this is the closest thing i can find and it has an IGPU

and that only has 16 gigs of ram

and an individual store's inventory will vary wildly

that being said microcenter usually has great deals, i picked up a 7900x/mobo/32 GB ram bundle for $550 a few months ago when they had a flash sale on a bundle

if you are near one, it's your best bet for (new) PC parts in my estimation, you can always find better deals on used stuff on the secondary market

ask for proof of your wildly incorrect claims -> "like i said go to microcenter"

this deal was bussin

actually i dug up my receipts and it was a little over 600 with the motherboard i got but still that was a great deal

[weary flame]

Depends on the CPU you have and how comfy you are with bios updates

[weary flame]

And that's not a good deal?

And, like I said, H series boards just kinda suck

[solemn wagon]

you put a decent gpu in it and you're 1200-1300 which is getting way above 900

and i doubt many people are gonna put a 3060 in a 12700k rig

[weary flame]

Yeah no, but anything higher will add more than 3-400 bucks

You probably shouldn't buy a rig that's 1k and doesn't have a dedicated GPU
Bit for gaming related things anyaay

[solemn wagon]

i dunno why you would be buying a 12700k rig and not planning on gaming on it

so i don't even think that's really a valid point for me to have linked that anyway

[weary flame]

That's my point

[solemn wagon]

yes

[weary flame]

It doesn't have a dedicated GPU

[solemn wagon]

ergo the 900 for the i5 rig and 3060 was a good deal

[weary flame]

And prebuilt companies are so stingy on modifying anything

[weary flame]

It would be
If the board was actually good

A big reason I don't call it a good deal, is because it has a H610 board

[solemn wagon]

who cares? it's an i5, and i highly doubt the dude who bought it would be looking to over clock anyway

so why a z690 board?

[weary flame]

No

B660

H610 just isn't it for gaming

Also, you cannot overclock a 12400 anyway

[solemn wagon]

i really don't see any reason to get anything but the most affordable board that will give your cpu enough juice and have enough ports for what you need for a budget built

[weary flame]

That's my point

[solemn wagon]

i don't understand the insistence on upgrading a board that won't do anything for performance

[weary flame]

It doesn't really give that

[solemn wagon]

who cares if it is a "gaming board"

[weary flame]

It will do things for performance

hence you have people benchmarking with those boards

[solemn wagon]

as long as the board hits your RAM/CPU speeds performance is virtually indistinguishable from board to board

obviously some boards overclock better than others but that's again not relevant here

[weary flame]

Further, H series has limited IO and connectivity to things like M.2 and sata, and lower supported memory speeds

[weary flame]

No?

It is relevant

[solemn wagon]

so you're telling me a b610 and z690 board hitting the same speeds perform differently?

everything else the same

[weary flame]

They cannot hit the same speeds reliably

That's my point

[solemn wagon]

you take that i5 and put it in both boards

[weary flame]

Let alone, H series doesn't support memory OC

[solemn wagon]

they will perform appreciably differently?

[weary flame]

Which means xmp

[weary flame]

Yes

[solemn wagon]

can you read? same cpu clocks, same memory clocks

[weary flame]

Like I said, there is a reason people test these boards

[solemn wagon]

they will perform differently

[weary flame]

H610 cannot reach the same memory speeds to begin with

[solemn wagon]

that's not my point

you are being obtuse

[weary flame]

No

[solemn wagon]

take some very slow ddr5 and put it on both boards

[weary flame]

You are ignoring how limited H series boards are

[solemn wagon]

at a speed both boards supporty

[weary flame]

Just to prove "it's as good"

[solemn wagon]

of course it's stupid to get a motherboard that doesn't support the specs of the other parts you're getting

[weary flame]

And then you're surprised when the H series performs worse because it's missing things like phases

You also have so much less connectivity

Ram isn't great, you're stuck at default speeds

[solemn wagon]

jesus christ

[weary flame]

The board is fine if you don't game

it's not if you do

[brave ravine]

don't think it is worth it

[brave ravine]

I'm not sure about the prices in the US, but I think that is somewhere in between, an average price for that build right now. You didn't mess up anything, but you didn't hit the lotto. No worries it's a fine pc 🙂

[brave ravine]

it's fine if you game, it just doesn't have all the bells and whistles you might want on a MOBO. For midrange processors it's perfectly fine, and that processor (i5-12400f) is exactly that. XMP is a thing you want though, as is the Q-flash and stable PCI lanes

[weary flame]

It's more a work PC, like those light ones in cubicles, than anything for gaming
As expected, no OC on the CPU itself (I hate that Z series exclusive thing myself)
No memory OC, which isn't great if you do gamiing, you really want those timings
Only PCIe 3.0, and from that you get 8 lanes
Sata ports still exist
Max 6 USB ports, but in all likelihood will be a lot less

And that's just the main thing
That's also ignoring barely any price difference between a H610 and a B660

[brave ravine]

yeah I am not disagreeing with you on other parts, if you have a choice, take B660 all of the times, I'm just saying it's not the end of the world and stuff still works fine. You won't be upgrading anything with that MOBO though.

[weary flame]

I'd honestly just, replace the board

also I still feel it's too expensive with the H610

[brave ravine]

I think if person is buying a budget PC, they won't be replacing the mobo just for those features you wrote down. Yeah same, a bit, classic baiting from companies trying to sell off stock that doesn't sell that well

[weary flame]

Oh, these boards sell amazingly well

[brave ravine]

I did also use a $100 mobo for 7 years with no big troubles, but I think I did go for B660 or something similar, not sure from the top of my head. The PC still works, I use it as a secondary gaming machine

[brave ravine]

haha, for office pc's?

[weary flame]

Because that's what goes into those PC's bought by the hundreds for companies

Yup

Office pc's is where money is at really

[brave ravine]

good point, maybe some leftover stock then? Not really sure why they build those pcs with config like that, b660 would be tad more expensive, and people would be satisfied

[weary flame]

B660 really isn't much more expensive

As 12th gen, while can run PCIe 5, was made during PCIe 4 era

But yeah, if you game, XMP is basically required
It's also bs it isn't automatically enabled

But that is one of my many pet peeves

Oh yeah, no M.2

I forgot that

H610 has no place for an M.2 SSD

I changed my mind

Get H670

God it's cheap, and it has more stuff than a B660

Most B660 is also more expensive

[brave ravine]

yeah xmp not being a standard is wack

[weary flame]

Yeah

And M.2 too

Everything benefits from M.2

Also for gaming just, the Mosfets, heatsink etc just, isn't there
And they're sorta "eh"

[brave ravine]

yeah agreed, some stuff is just weird/regressing I'm thinking :/ or good hardware and shoddy software

[weary flame]

The low end H series should have an M.2 slot tho

It just should

But yeah

Motherboards need some just, QoL upgrades

Sideways plugs

"Expensive" boards having barely anything to protect the stuff on the board, but generally it's just a couple of metal pieces, if there even are any

It's so easy to knock anything off

12VO 10 pin should also be there

[prime grail]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z690-EDGE-WIFI-DDR4 yall opinion on this board for $130 as a refurbished?

[weary flame]

Which CPU btw?

That's a lot cheaper tho, ngl

[prime grail]

13600k moreso the KF sku tho.

[weary flame]

I'd say
Yes

It's quite good, you loose like, over 150 bucks

At least USD or EU

Idk how much the difference is if you're not there

But that's a good deal

Do make sure you can return it

[prime grail]

It’s from Newegg so I could probably refund when it’s doa but I’m currently running 5600G huge improvement I assume

[noble oak]

Hello, I'm upgrading my ram, anything I should know other than to match my current ram model? Anything I have to do once I have inserted the new ram?

[brave ravine]

your assumption is correct

[weary flame]

Be careful with Newegg tho

Tell GN if they do something funny

[weary flame]

Which spec?

As in

No

Which DDR version

[prime grail]

Should I just take the risk on it doing it a cc so I have decent protection

[noble oak]

ddr 4

[weary flame]

DDR4 CL16 3600

It's somewhat sweet spot for performance

Which CPU do you have btw?

[weary flame]

Yes
However, take pictures when it arrives and how it looks
If they don't take it back if it's broken, send those pictures to Gamer's Nexus, they dealt with these things before

[sudden ether]

I bought a prebuilt PC and people tell me my specs are good enough to run cod on good quality but I can't figure out why it looks like cod mobile

[weary flame]

Do you have adaptive supersampling on?

[brave ravine]

take a pic of graphics menu in the game, probably some sampling set to wrong settings, as Berry suspects

[woeful grove]

ive currently got DDR4 3200Mhz Corsair Vengence what ram shall i upgrade to

i want 64gbs

only got 16 gb rn

[static pecan]

Is there any reason you actually need 64? If you're mainly gaming then 16 is more than enough. If you're editing videos or doing some other RAM-intensive task then 32GB would be plenty for that. There really isn't a reason outside of 3D modeling and professional work that anyone would need more than 32GB of RAM. It's basically throwing away money that could be better spent towards a CPU/GPU/SSD upgrade that would actually get you more performance

[woeful grove]

the only thing that is kinda holding my pc back

is ram

got a 3070ti and i7 12700k

i edit videos on the occasion

and create cars for Fivem

[static pecan]

If you're consistently hitting 14-15gb of RAM usages then sure, jump to 32. But 64 is pretty much a waste of money unless you find a crazy black friday deal on a solid 64 kit

[woeful grove]

ah ok

my pc uses around 3/4 of my ram before even going into a game

it uses like 9gb

not 3/4s but

it uses alot without doing anything

[static pecan]

I have 32gb in my system and it never uses more than 20 for gaming, streaming, and video/photo editing. This is the kit I'd use: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906?Item=N82E16820232906&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-JRaRdFWB5IkpZVgeIFuxtQ

Works great, never had any issues with stability or anything on my AMD system so it should work just as well with an Intel system

Plus the timings will be better than Vengeance kits lol

[woeful grove]

ah ok ty

[weary flame]

try to get 3600 CL 16

THat's somewhat the main thing for performance of the kit, not the size

[sudden ether]

i fixed it. i didn't notice the quality tab in the graphics options lol

[vivid gyro]

bru never buy prebuilt pcs

[weary flame]

[loud shore]

6 hour

[delicate heart]

is that a 40 series?

[upper slate]

If you think ram is your issue and/or you don't want to spend the money to upgrade the other stuff, get faster ram speed with a tighter timing. Like they said, 32 GB is more than enough.

[vivid gyro]

i think ya

[weary flame]

Look for the same price through the Radeon line

Radeon 6000

I think you'll end up with a better deal for the same price

[loud shore]

yes

4090 aero

never radeon ilove rtx

[weary flame]

I mean fair

But RTX on 3060 isn't too great, and performance is better on lower end

Hence I say

[sinful plaza]

What would be a good NVMe SSD that will help my pc/laptop load up faster and have more storage I currently have 512 gigabytes installed and I don't know much about wifi cards and sound cards because should I get them and can I upgrade sound cards and wifi cards if they are integrated into the motherboard?

[weary flame]

Do you have a PC or a laptop

I assume a PC

If so, anything for an SSD that's from
Samsung
Western Digital
Crucial
Kingston

Those are good

Samsung tends to be very reliable, even with the 980 and 990 incidents, which they send new ones, without the bug, for back if yours failed

Otherwise, I'd put Crucial right under that

[sinful plaza]

laptop

Gigabyte G5 KC

[weary flame]

I need to see then

You cannot change sound cards

Wifi would mean you need to open it, which I wouldn't suggest

You can put in a second SSD so it seems

But it still means having to open the laptop

I'd check with Gigabyte first if it voids the warranty, if said warranty is still active

If it isn't it helps with the wifi card changing

But even then

[sinful plaza]

Where can I buy wifi cards I want the newest and best one I could buy right now to this day.

[weary flame]

Just Intel 6E

They make their own cards, and they tend to be really good

[sinful plaza]

Where can you buy them?

I have looked on intel’s official website and haven’t been able to see them and idk where it can be located in a laptop

[weary flame]

any hardware store

Like, just look around

[nimble charm]

9600k 16gb 2666 ram 1660 super 1.5tb of storage has dedicated network card mobo is a B365 ASROCk, upgrading to a 1080 ti, will this cause any issues

[sinful plaza]

Just make sure that you have enough power (power supply psu) because you are going to be increasing power by upgrading cards

[weary flame]

Not really, it's a GPU change
You'll be fine

[spring agate]

tbf, it can cause issues depending on your PSU. After all the 1080 Ti can take 300W with stock settings and 375W overclocked at 2000 MHz Core Clock and 6000 MHz (boosted) Memory clock. Just to be anywhere near your efficiency curve you'd need at least a 650W PSU

[weary flame]

Efficiency curve is
Sort of overrated
Especially on new(ish) PSU's

Most PSU's atm are constantly efficient on most ranges up over 90%

It's rather when it reaches it's peak

[spring agate]

false

take a look at cybernetics and their stats, most PSUs don't even reach their advertised efficiency curve and have an efficiency of 80% or even less at over 70% load

[weary flame]

Their own site

Says 82% at the least

And most are still over 90%

And it doesn't change my point of, efficiency curves are overrated as the % change so little you don't need to shell out of the best one, because the difference, in the end, will do much different, especially if you can put money into more worthwhile components

Just because a 650W PSU's efficiency at 300w is 92% and at 500w is 87% isn't really weird
Nor should it say that "this PSU is kinda bad"

What these graphs are trying to show, is a more trustworthy efficiency metric that you can't use tricks to get around, which the old commonly used system had

The fact most PSU's are over 80% is impressive as hell

Especially if you know the PSU market, let's say, 10 years ago

Then efficiency curves, and knowing them was a good thing
Because half the time it was a gamble of "will I pay several hundred more for a good one or will this cheap one not blow up"

[spring agate]

yep, definitely above 80%

and that was just a quick look at the casual 80+ gold PSUs

[weary flame]

Great hiding the actual thing the number refers to

Totally trust worthy

[spring agate]

still the same picture

and let's be honest, most people don't bother buying a platinum PSU or even better

[weary flame]

Still an efficiency over 80%
And the 5V rails have become redundant sort of

If you want to nitpick on the fact one % is under the 80 mark

[spring agate]

uh... WHAT?

[weary flame]

But the overall isn't

Like

[spring agate]

USB? 5V redundant?

SRY?

[weary flame]

yes, since the board can handle that using 12V

And purely because 5V is under the 80%
It doesn't make the actual efficiency under 80%

Let alone

It's still overrated in this climate

All PSU's these days have an overall efficiency around 80%, that is if you buy one from a brand and not from, Ebay or something

This was such an important thing 5-10 years ago

THis whole Cybenetics thing hasn't been about "the old rating lied to you, we're giving you the truth in how bad PSU's are because curve dips under 80%"
It's a "We want to show you the actual effectiveness of these PSU's using a rating system with clear marks"

Which the old system lacked

and if you really want to hammer down on the "under 80%"

The lowest bronze, on the 5V, is 78.172, which, still isn't bad anyway

[spring agate]

Sry, but even the GN server disagrees with you

[sinful plaza]

Nothing will be 100% efficient

All power supply units are given a certain voltage/wattage but it’s like ssd’s your pc won’t get the full use out of if you have a 500 watt power supply you may only get 450 or 400 watts because the power supply has to also use it’s own power for other places (examples include fans located on your power supply).

[spring agate]

don't have to tell me

[woeful grove]

anyone got an idea on how to make it so i can stream on 16gb ram

it lags alot when trying to stream

[spring agate]

depending on your GPU you can use NVENC as your encoder, so your GPU does the heavy lifting when you stream

[sturdy bramble]

I'm thinking about buying cablemod custom full length cables, and I'm concerned about what lengths to get... if I buy "X" length, will that be too much, or what if I buy that "x" length for a predetermined route, and then I find a better route once I begin to really cable manage , and it's too short... If you've ever heard of the term "analysis paralyzes", I have a permanent seat at that table.

I saw the lengths of the cables for my modular power supply listed in PSU manual... I think I'm just going to add some more length based on the measurements I took when predetermining the cable lengths, and pull the trigger.

Any input, comments, advice, opinions, suggestions, inputs, judgements, directions, recommendations, encouragement, discouragement on making a decision would be appreciated!!!!

For reference;
Corsair1200 80 Plus Platinum ATX modular PSU
Corsair 5000D Airflow Mid-Tower ATX Computer Case
Asus X670E-E ROG Strix Gaming WiFi
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 TUF Gaming Overclocked 24GB GDDR6X

[keen portal]

@mystic folio

[spring agate]

first of all you should use the cables you have and do a proper cable management job. That's when you see which cable requires what length

i.e. lay the cables the way you want them without connecting them, then measure what's missing if it's not long enough

however, the only cable which would need a replacement are your EPS, ATX24 and PCIe power cables. Everything else won't be visible anyways. Barely saw any new case showing the drives

[reef temple]

Jw, how often should I clean my pc and whaty do I clean it with? I ususally just come in my room with a leafblower and go at it every couple of months

[halcyon sand]

Depends on environment you have in your room
If it gets dusty quickly, you should do that more often. I personally use compressed gas for it, I have a laptop tho.

[spring agate]

compressed gas does the job, just make sure to fixate the fans or disconnect them entirely. Inserting voltage by spinning the fans when the PC is off is a thing

after all an electric motor becomes a generator when you turn it

[nocturne folio]

I haven't cleaned mine in a year

[spring agate]

[devout wolf]

fancy seeing you here

[spring agate]

[spring agate]

tbf, i ranted about my 100€ mouse being Prism supported (but not working) while my 200€ top of the line keyboard isn't

after that i decided to stay

[sturdy bramble]

Hi! I ground these two connections on my mobo, and the manual doesn't say anything about them, and I read the entire manual and I have the diagram in front of me. It's a 9 prong connection. Any ideas what these could be?

There's one right below the CPU and one at the bottom of the mobo.

USB? Maybe?

[sturdy bramble]

I did it. It took me a bit, but here's the basic layout mins the two 8 pin CPU connections. Those are going a different route once I get my custom cables.

[spring agate]

by all honesty? Stay away from NZXT.

Their motherboards are extremely undercut in terms of performance AND features. I mean it's a Z590 without CPU and RAM overclocking Features after all. Like lol, what's the point of having Z590 if you can't OC anything that's worth overclocking?

besides all that, you'll mostly get away cheaper with the same specs and/or even better ones

[noble oak]

soemone plz find me a gaming laptop under 650$?

[spring agate]

what on earth is so hard to read the channel name? It's about building PCs, not Laptop

[subtle eagle]

ja

[crimson scroll]

It's fine

Laptops are fine to talk about

[sand aspen]

Hello

[trim ridge]

is this good?

are the parts allright

[weary flame]

If you can get a DDR5 B series maybe
If you want to spare money, which makes it look like with the 13400, don't g 40 series

[trim ridge]

whats a ddr5 b series

is that ram or the motherboard

this is the cheapest ddr5 motherboard

[spring agate]

uhmmm...

https://youtu.be/lSy9Qy7sw0U

not to mention that you'll run into issues sooner or later with those 12 GB

[trim ridge]

came back with this

do you think its better

i wont change the ram or the motherboard cause it too expensive

[spring agate]

well, it is better, but i have my doubts about the cooler

and don't get me wrong, but the 13400F will cause issues. You should go with a 13600F if can afford it

another option would be to slowly build up the PC

not getting everything at once but slowly getting the pieces you really want one by one each month

i.e. that's what i started with. I got a Case and PSU first

and month after month i bought the parts i REALLY wanted

and over time it became this

5800X3D
G.Skill Trident Z Royal Elite 4x8 4000 MHz CL 14-14-14-34-89 at 1:1 2000 FCLK
2080 Ti Aorus Xtreme
3x 1 TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 Aorus SSDs
4x 2 TB Crucial MX500 Sata SSDs
Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk. II

Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Fractal Design Prisma AL-12 x3
Fractal Design Prisma AL-14 x3
Fractal Design Define 7
Fractal Design Ion+ 860P

and the Lian Li Strimer+ cables ofc

[warped scaffold]

The eleven TB hard carry

[quartz path]

Hey

Im going to build a pc is this a good one

@warped scaffold

Can you rate it and tell what I need to change

[spring agate]

is it just me or is the motherboard missing?

[wild hawk]

lmfao u can get way cheaper parts

and 379 for a 3060??

[weary flame]

CPU combo

[wild hawk]

u can get it for way cheaper as wel

[warped scaffold]

M idk about the 3060 i think the ti could be a better build in it but im not 100% sure

And i think maybe a little more storage ssd or hdd depends on ur price range

[weary flame]

Anyway, if you want to go with a white build, where a big part of costs will add more, maybe do get a white motherboard, it'll stand in big contrast

[wild hawk]

bro is quite def not gonna buy this 💀😭

no motherboard either 💀

[weary flame]

Check the CPU
It's a combo

[warped scaffold]

I got my gpu for free bc the shipping was like 3 weeks off

So they gave me my money back

[wild hawk]

what

u asked for a refund?

[warped scaffold]

Nope

[weary flame]

I see you want to go with a white build, that's fine, but parts will be pricier

My only two things, if you don't care that much about price is, get a white motherboard instead of the combo you have atm, that's a black board in it
Get another PSU, 100+ bucks for a 650 is too much

[wild hawk]

lucky monkey

[wild hawk]

fr

specially when it’s from red dragon tf

💀

[warped scaffold]

But isnt the ryzen 7 like better then the 3060 wont it bottleneck?

[weary flame]

Not really

Not meaningfully

Oh, nvm

It won't

It's a 5800X3D

Good CPU

[warped scaffold]

U can get a 3060 for 300 euroa here

Euros

[weary flame]

Then what they have to pay isn't that weird

At 30-50 because currency exchange
So about 330-350
Then add 20-40 bucks because it's a white GPU
You're easily above what he has to pay

White pc parts sell significantly worse than black ones, it's why they are more expensive

[warped scaffold]

m could be i just dont trust amazon

[weary flame]

Eh it is

They just sell worse, so they sell less and as such they order less, which makes the price higher as they need to cover the costs

Bulk buying makes things really cheap
If you can't buy something in the same bulk size and have to go smaller, it becomes more expensive

Anyway
GPU price isn't outrageous or anything

[warped scaffold]

I dont think it is

Last year

I wantwd a pc so bad

I payed 300 euros for a gtx 1060 6gb second

[weary flame]

1060 isn't too bad of a card

Anyway

[warped scaffold]

Ye that was the best option for that price

Wanted a 6gb

And now im gonna change after this gpu cant play normal games normally

[weary flame]

Which games?

Also, if you want to go current gen and not pay too much

I'd say the 4070 is a great value for it's performance, still a tad overpriced imo, but not as badly as the other cards

Otherwise

Last gen

There are a lot of card

Up until high end, AMD tends to perform quite well for the price, they cut theirs very aggressively, and in the higher end, 3080 and higher and 6800xt and higher it depends on use case and price

[warped scaffold]

4070 will become alot more expensive due to new cpu and everything

[weary flame]

?

The 5800X3D will do just fine

[warped scaffold]

Rainbow: 144 fps
apex 90-120 (60 sometimes)
Overwatch: 120
Fortnite: 120
Warzone 2: 60
Ark: 70
Valorant: 200

[warped scaffold]

Thats the other guy

[weary flame]

Oh

What CPU do you have?

[warped scaffold]

Ryzen 5 3600

[weary flame]

Fair

Plug in like, idk, 5600?

You don't have to go with the X SKU

Just enable PBO

[warped scaffold]

Ye prob but idk why its very good for a 3600

[weary flame]

Because the CPU is good....?

[warped scaffold]

Ye i dont know why

[weary flame]

It's not a bad CPU at all

Because it's a good CPU

That's it

There is no magic why your sample is 10% better than everyone else's, it probably is basically the same performance

If you want to upgrade the 5600 has been really cheap, just enable PBO and you've the same performance as a 5600x

[spring agate]

agree, the 3600 is a solid choice

and the 5600X is without a doubt just a waste of money unless you get it cheaper than a 5600

[weary flame]

If it's the same price the 5600x isn't bad either

[spring agate]

It's simple to understand. It's a solid 6 cores, 12 Threads CPU and can be compared to a i7 8700k in terms of performance and it's way cheaper than the 8700k ever was. 6 cores and 12 threads with that core clock (and yes, there could be better, my 3600 ran at 4.8 GHz) for a price like it is currently is an unbeatable budget choice which will last for quite some time given how long Intel clinged to their 4c/8t 11nm++++++ technology

and i mean it. Intel ran with 11nm and 4C/8T for how long now? 6 years?

[warped scaffold]

I got it now it feels good

[quartz path]

Is this a good pc

[warped scaffold]

I got the same motherboard

[spring agate]

not imo

[warped scaffold]

Its good

[spring agate]

not really. It won't look nice nor will it perform nice

[warped scaffold]

Wait nvm

I got the b450

[quartz path]

How

[warped scaffold]

Idk how not

[spring agate]

the AiO is too expensive for what it's supposed to be

[quartz path]

What should i change

[spring agate]

the NVMe drive is also just overhyped

[quartz path]

So what should i change

[spring agate]

well... everything... None of that is a nice choice

[warped scaffold]

?

The psu

Is good

Wym

[spring agate]

except the board maybe, that can technically stay

[quartz path]

You dont have to can you make me a pc under 1580$

[warped scaffold]

Sure

[quartz path]

Yayaya

Omg

[warped scaffold]

but

Idk

[quartz path]

I’ve been doing pcs for 2 week all my friends say they suck

[warped scaffold]

I got my friend a pc for 1200 with a rtx 3060ti

[quartz path]

Dang

[spring agate]

a.e. you can get a Liquid Freezer II 360 in white with RGB for around 120 bucks

[quartz path]

Ok

Can we use a hyte y60 tho

I love it a lot and I already ordered it

[warped scaffold]

Do u want watercooling?

Or

[quartz path]

Uh

Which would you pefer

[spring agate]

Well, it seems like he wants it

and i didn't see an issue with the Y60

other than being a bit pricey

[warped scaffold]

Imo 3060 ti is way better than the 3060

So i would prefer it

[quartz path]

Ok

[spring agate]

imo the 3060 and 3060 Ti were basically cheap ass knock offs of a 1080 Ti

[warped scaffold]

m they still way better

In performance

[spring agate]

not really once you OC a 1080 Ti

and especially at the prices for one of them used nowadays

they're what? 200 USD?

250 at best

[warped scaffold]

which one u got?

[quartz path]

If you guys can dm on what parts i should use to build a white pc

I gotta go to school in 20 minutes

[spring agate]

i had a ton of them, EVFA FTW, Aorus Xtreme, Asus Rog OC

[warped scaffold]

i mean which gpu atm

[spring agate]

6800 XT

Aorus Master Type C

[quartz path]

What is a good cooler

[warped scaffold]

I use air not water so idk

[quartz path]

Yea that

[spring agate]

Air or water?

[quartz path]

Air

[warped scaffold]

In a few years imma build one again

[spring agate]

Dark Rock Pro 4

[quartz path]

How abt a water cooler

[spring agate]

for water i'd go with a Liquid Freezer II 240+

cheap, extremely competitive in terms of cooling and easy to install

[warped scaffold]

Aint noctua fans good?

[spring agate]

yep, they are

[quartz path]

What is a good 1570$

Pc

What cpu should i get

[spring agate]

well, if it's your first PC overall i'd say you can't go wrong with a 5800X3D

[warped scaffold]

Tbh it depends on his gpu

[quartz path]

I have a pc rn but i wanna upgrade

[warped scaffold]

Intel core i5-13600k is good for 3060 ti i think

[spring agate]

not really, a good CPU can still squeeze more FPS out of a bad GPU than counterwise.

and a solid CPU gives you the freedom of not replacing the board, RAM and CPU for quite some time

[warped scaffold]

ye but if u have a gtx 1650 u not good off with an late ryzen 9

[spring agate]

a GPU swap is way easier at this point

[quartz path]

Can you guys dm me a list of good pc picks

Please

[warped scaffold]

Ask nyumi he knows more ig

[quartz path]

Ok

[spring agate]

she*

[quartz path]

Nyumi

[warped scaffold]

She knows more ig

[quartz path]

Sorry

[spring agate]

and no, i won't, because everyone has his/her own taste. I can only tell you what's worth buying and what isn't

and the 3060 definitely isn't

[warped scaffold]

See u tell whats worth buying or what isnt

[quartz path]

Uh can you at-least show what are good picks on a budget

[warped scaffold]

Thats more usefull

[quartz path]

Ye

[spring agate]

especially not at a price of 450 bucks when you find a 3080 for 500 bucks on ebay and Craigslist

[warped scaffold]

Hes desperate help himmm

[spring agate]

we all had to begin at some point

we all had to do our research

[warped scaffold]

I sewrched on youtube

For good combinations

[spring agate]

well, a bad source of informations, but it's at least something

[warped scaffold]

m atm i got a decent pc

I searched for combinations and then went for gameplay with those combinations

[spring agate]

or just dive deeper into the whole topic by watching Hardware Unboxed and GamersNexus

those are channels i can recommend

sure, they might be boring due to the numbers they throw at you first, but the more you understand the more interesting it gets

and hilarious when it comes to tech fails

but still, i can only tell you guys what's worth buying and what isn't. Like the GPU and AiO since you get better stuff for a similar if not lower price

because 480 bucks for a 3060/Ti when you can get a decent 3080 for 500 bucks but used for a single year?

Sry, but everyone with a healthy mind would agree that these 20 bucks more would be worth it

And who cares if it's white or black or rainbow puke from a unicorn inside your PC? You'll fiddle around with that stuff for about a month and then don't give a f*ck about it

[quartz path]

Oh

[warped scaffold]

he does

so respect that..

[spring agate]

focus on the price to performance first and then go for the looks. You wouldn't mind driving a Ferrari hunting monster with the looks of an old Chevy, would you?

[spring agate]

I did too, so does everyone first when upgrading from an old ass rig not worth selling or scrapping. But then again, would you rather have the best performance ingame and a PC that just "looks" like it's falling apart or a gorgeous looking PC but terrible performance?

[quartz path]

Yea

[warped scaffold]

not everyone is like u yk

[spring agate]

i'm just saying that people should do a proper research first and then decide for the parts rather than decide for the parts and be disappointed at the performance at the end

besides, who else will look at your PC? Your friends, your family, your known ones? Exactly, none of them would look at it. You'd be the only one at the end

[warped scaffold]

just stop about the fact he wants his pc white yee?

[spring agate]

look, i never said building a white Pc is bad

did i?

[warped scaffold]

ik ik

but u say its dumb for someone who wants to spend more money just for it to be white

[spring agate]

just saying: Research, configure, check again, order, build, don't care about the others

that's all

and @warped scaffold? I come from an era of PC building where motherboards had all kinds of colors

[warped scaffold]

sooo?

[warped scaffold]

sooo?

[spring agate]

just respect the old ones with more experience. We had a much tougher time building good looking PCs

[warped scaffold]

my dad has one with ddr3 lol

[crimson scroll]

If someone wants a specific theme to their build, please don't say that that's irrelevant

[warped scaffold]

ikr

[weary flame]

They're just now at 11 iirc
4 gens was 14 or so

[spring agate]

true... It was 14nm+²³⅞, sry

[weary flame]

It is impressive what they can push out of 11nm

Or 7 maybe?

I forgot what they are

[spring agate]

didn't use an Intel CPU since Zen 2 came out

[weary flame]

I'm planning to go Zen 4

[spring agate]

my last Intel CPU was a 4770k

[weary flame]

I'm mainly looking forward to upgrade path

[spring agate]

[weary flame]

But I'm also sorta done with Intel

[spring agate]

who isn't?

They're sugar coating their stagnation

[weary flame]

A lot of people being salty about AMD

Btw

Nyumi

Just a thing

Please don't criticise someone if they want to pay more for white components

The intent is quite clear why it's white, adn they're more expensive by default

I do get pointing out other products that are also white and cheaper

[spring agate]

i don't get why anyone should be salty about AMD. They forced Intel to come up with something new. Imagine if AMD became bankrupt stuck with their Bulldozer CPUs

we'd have Intel only for the rest of our lifes and would still be stuck with 4c/8t

[weary flame]

uuuuuuuugh

True

Also

To show stagnation:

I have a 7100 because money

It performs worse than a 2th gen 4 core CPU

way worse

And that part didn't have hyperthreading

[quartz path]

Whats a good 300$ cpu

@spring agate

[weary flame]

Depends on the motherboard

5800x, at it's cheapest, is 242 in the US

That's really good

Nvm

5800X3D is 330

That's an amazing deal

[warped scaffold]

In the netherlands its 290

[weary flame]

That makes sense

Get it

It's an amazing CPU

Lemme look btw

Yeah, that's the cheapest in the Benelux

~200 euro cheaper compared to launch

[quartz path]

Is everything compatible

@weary flame @warped scaffold

What should i change

[weary flame]

There def are cheaper white cases and AIO

Idk for the rest?

What's the ram speed?

Try to get, iirc, DDR4 3600 CL16

[warped scaffold]

Maybe more storaaaage

[spring agate]

i'd rather pick a G.Skill Kit 3200 14-14-14-34, sweet sweet B-Die

tbf, they don't have any pure white kits, but i think the Neos would be fine since they're a mix of black and white

[warped scaffold]

Only 90 for 32 gb..

Nyumi

@spring agate

The corsair

Vengeance

Ia it good?

[spring agate]

Well, they're cheap for a reason

[warped scaffold]

They do be 3200mgz

Mhz

[spring agate]

are they cl 14-14-14-34?

[warped scaffold]

Ehhhhh whats that

[spring agate]

at 1.35V?

the timings

[warped scaffold]

Dont knoq that much about ram

[spring agate]

what are the timings?

[warped scaffold]

Yes

1.35

V

[spring agate]

gimme a link so i can take a look at it

[warped scaffold]

Nah they be scamming

Name says 3200mhz

In info it says 2133

Or its overclocked

https://www.amazon.nl/Corsair-CMK32GX4M2E3200C16-Vengeance-zwart-3200MHz/dp/B07RW6Z692/ref=asc_df_B07RW6Z692/?tag=nlshogostdsp-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=430515393747&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16032207881149920178&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1010481&hvtargid=pla-777117801055&psc=1

[spring agate]

3200 is always the Docp/XMP speed

2133 is the standard DDR4 speed if you don't activate XMP/Docp in your BIOS

[warped scaffold]

I think i did that to my pc

Set it to 3200

But idk that much about ram

[spring agate]

3200 CL 16... No

[warped scaffold]

Huhhh?

[spring agate]

CMK__32G__X4M2E__3200__C16

32 GB
3200 MHz XMP
CL 16

you won't end up being happy with that kit, let's be honest

[warped scaffold]

Mhm get that but whag does the c16 mean

Or cl 16

[spring agate]

imagine RAM storing data in a raster

CL timings determine how fast your RAM finds the right column and line for the data your CPU needs

[warped scaffold]

Tbh on extra storage he will find a cheaper pc bc of what he wants in it

[warped scaffold]

And whats "fast"

[spring agate]

3800 14-14-14-34 would be fast

but for that you'd pay like crazy or buy a proper 3200 14-14-14-34 @twilit dome35V kit and overclock it

wait... How dafuq did i ping someone now?

[warped scaffold]

I got cl16 aswell

@1

huh

[spring agate]

it's 1.

[warped scaffold]

@twilit dome

oh

lol

[spring agate]

Well, my apologies for the ping, Sir

anyways, if you're using a Ryzen CPU then 3600 16-16-16-36 are also fine

because you can set FCLK to 1800, so the RAM ones 1:1 with your FCLK. Giving you a nice free boost in performance

it's not significant, but it's still free performance

once you dig deeper and get kits capable of running 3800 14-14-14-34 without issues you get a serious boost of performance

not only does your RAM start to access data faster

it executes it faster as well

and compared to 3200 14-14-14-34 it's about a 5-10% uplift depending on the rest of your PC

[warped scaffold]

Yes.

[weary flame]

The performance difference isn't that big tho ...?

And if you can't find it with those timings, it's not too big

[warped scaffold]

Idk nyumi wants to not waste her money on stuff he does

So idk

[spring agate]

to a common, casual user like you it doesn't seem like a big difference, but there's a reason why the same kit from another manufacturer costs more. B-Die tax is a thing

[weary flame]

[spring agate]

just dive into RAM overclocking and you'll know why

[weary flame]

I know why

[warped scaffold]

🐐

[weary flame]

But your persistence to keep saying to everyone why X isn't too great
Even tho they might have their reasons, is quite irritating

[spring agate]

ok, fine. Another example. What would you rather pick? A used 3080 for the price of a new 3060 or the new 3060?

[warped scaffold]

Gt 1030

[spring agate]

or even a 6800 XT?

it's a freaking no brainer why i don't recommend the 3060

especially since he's warranty covered, even with a used GPU, because every warranty lasts at least 2 years legally

[warped scaffold]

No but i didnt recommend

If u want an 3060

I just advice for a 3060 ti

[weary flame]

Your complaints
About the 3060
Was that it was too expensive

[warped scaffold]

Bc its way better

[spring agate]

because it is

[weary flame]

And I pointed out "they wanted a white card for their built, so let them have it"

I never said a 6800xt is not a good suggestion

It is

[spring agate]

i don't have an issue with the color at all, ffs. If he'd have done his homework he'd have found a 3080/6800 XT for almost the same price in white too, just used

[weary flame]

And what if they don't want it used

[warped scaffold]

Not everyone wants to

[weary flame]

That's a valid thing

[warped scaffold]

Thats why hes asking ua

Us

Or ye

U2

Im not a pc pro

lol

[weary flame]

The fact the whole list is on Amazon shows more "I want new stuff"

You can say "if you go secondhand, you can get a 3080/600xt for the same price"
But instead you just went "that's too expensive"

[spring agate]

if you read his first post you'd know he's still in school

[weary flame]

My issue isn't what you are saying
It's the way you are

[weary flame]

And that's relevant because?
Hell, I'd wager it's even more reason to not go second hand if you don't know anything about how to check a card if it's still good and don't want to deal with warranty and if you maybe bought a faulty card

[warped scaffold]

Im aswell in school

Im 16

[spring agate]

besides, why do we argue about it btw? It's his money he's wasting after all while we're bashing each others head over nothing

[warped scaffold]

Tvh true

We already made an end to it

And berry began again

[spring agate]

essentially we agree to each other, but keep arguing about details... like lol, we should just drop it and call it a day

[warped scaffold]

How to drop it?