how can non stand users see some stands?

[orchid idol]

Okay so I’m on part five and recently finished the train episode. My question is, how can people see Pesci’s fishing rod stand? It’s a stand but some random passenger just came up and called him out on it. How did he see it?

[lusty surge]

Yea

Some stands are visible

A good example would probably be anubis

The normal ppl can see anubis

Unless is explicitly stated that ppl can see the stand it most likely can't be seen tho

[solemn ingot]

beach boy is a physical object the stand is bound to

other stands like this are strength, anubis, wheel of fortune

generally they're the ones non-stand users can see

[errant monolith]

beach boy specifically isn't a bound stand so the passenger never actually saw it and called it out

but for stands that are visible to non-stand users, they're called bound stands and are bound to physical objects which makes them able to be seen by normal people

they're attached to actual objects so they can be touched and seen just like a regular thing

examples are anubis being bound to an actual sword that regular people could hold

[orchid idol]

Okay so the objects all make sense, but one stand that I never understood was stray cat

Was the cat itself a stand? Or is the stand the flower it became

[errant monolith]

oh that

stray cat is an actual plant

and the plant has a stand ability

normal people like shinobu can see the plant

[orchid idol]

But didn’t the cat become a plant because it was pierced by the arrow?

Do the stand’s powers only awaken when it’s in plant form?

[errant monolith]

the cat was shot by the arrow, and then killed, and then buried into the ground

somehow that allowed the cat to revive itself as a plant

with its cool plant ability of pew pew air bubbles

[orchid idol]

Huh

Okay possible retcon, non stand users can see the air bubbles because it’s not a super strange thing. For example I assume people can’t see reverb’s powers because it’s out of the ordinary. But compressed air is pretty comprehensible to a normal person

[errant monolith]

people can see the compressed air because its just compressed air

stray cat isn't creating the air on its own

[orchid idol]

Exactly

[errant monolith]

its just compressing the already existing air in the environment

so the air itself is not a stand, so regular people can see it

echoes' powers on the other hand are completely made by the stand itself

but normal people can still hear echoes' sounds thanks to its ability

like when koichi slapped a "BELIEVE ME" onto his mom

[orchid idol]

Makes sense, so non stand users can see things that are affected by the stand that already existed before, but not stuff made by the stands

Like emerald splash

[errant monolith]

yea

if a stand controls the earth in the ground, people can still see the earth being controlled because its just dirt that already existed

the stand didn't make the dirt, it just controls the normal dirt

[errant monolith]

i had a few more examples written but i deleted them so i could add images to each of them lel

[errant monolith]

and strength being bound to an actual ship that regular people could board and walk around on

and surface being bound to a mannequin that regular people could see when disguised as josuke

[errant monolith]

the crusaders are responsible for the deaths of the dozen or so random mfs that boarded the ship with them

truly the worst main characters smh my head

[limpid meadow]

I thought stands cant bring back life??

[split holly]

@limpid meadow, your Stand Rank is now 1!

[errant monolith]

stray cat is weird because when the user died it turned them into a fking plant

its not "reviving" as in just making the cat alive again, it turns the cat into another organism with the same memories and existence

stands can turn corpses into other living things like how gold experience can put flowers on abbacchio and narancia and stands can swap around souls like with chariot requiem

stray cat is a weird ass bypass of the rules

[limpid meadow]

I see, so did a plant gain the stand ability?

And it merged to become whatever weird thing it is

[errant monolith]

the plant appears to still have tama's cat personality so its probably more like the cat's soul got shoved into a plant

cus reincarnation is different from reviving in a way

[limpid meadow]

Ooh like the soul of the thing it merges with takes over?

[errant monolith]

it either fused with an existing plant or it straight up turned into a plant

either way its supposed to be more reincarnation into a different being rather than the same organism just waking up perfectly normal and intact like nothing happened

like if josuke's grandpa woke up after being healed from dying, that would be straight up revival

but tama's reincarnation into a different organism altogether bypasses that rule of "no coming back from dead lmao"

[limpid meadow]

Yeah it does...

[errant monolith]

"no stand ability can bring a person back to life"
so tama the cat is dead, but tama the weird plant thing is here

a bit similar to how bucciarati got his soul ripped out by chariot requiem from his dying body and put into diavolo's healthy body, eventhough his original body got shot and killed by mista he could still live on for a bit longer in this new body until he had to get out of diavolo

[solemn ingot]

also jotaro is not omniscient when he says this

a soul inhabiting a new body (stray cat) or temporarily coming back to a dead body (bucciariati) isnt true revival, but even if a stand could actually revive the dead straight up all that means is jotaro wasn't aware of there being a stand that could do that

[errant monolith]

he's been pretty consistent so far so its almost a given rule at this point

if araki makes a new stand that revives from the dead then joot would be wrong but so far he's been pretty right

[solemn ingot]

yeah nothing has disproven it so i get why its considered a rule and i think its probably correct

but im just saying the only actual explicit statement comes from an in-universe source that didnt have knowledge of every stand

[errant monolith]

araki should bring back his random narration where he just says shit in square boxes directly to the reader

[solemn ingot]

real

[errant monolith]

when joot says "no stand can bring someone back from the dea-"

giant box speech bubble appears next to his face
"HE IS RIGHT GUYS NO STAND CAN DO THIS"