#stardust-crusaders
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This chat kinda getting off topic.
Here’s a buff jotaro
He Protecc
He Attac
but most importantly
he smacc
XD
Kinda hot ngl.
;-;
AHHHHHHH
I'll allow it.
His belts pointing to him like
Yo he's got his house on his belt buckle
Here’s a good boy
future part character
Hot.
XD
The glow of his eyes makes it looks like Jotaro: Over Heaven
Oh ok
normal iggy
Kinda hot ngl.


Ok best emoji
orang iggy better.


Jotaro abuse.
When silver chariot was gold

When star Platinum was a pineapple.
ngl blonde pol way better
When hirophant green was purple
And Kak actually looks nice
beefy warudo
whenever araki draws Jonathan and Joseph he always makes them so similar
@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 9 !
Shadow dio
Lol
.
hmmmmmmmmmmm
proof the world is round
whoever tf adds these places on google maps is amazing
lol
🍨

Cheap old man
google TTWBD30h60s and play the video that appears
Yes yes
People only at Part 3 wouldn’t know about that
Kakyoin is brutally killed by Dio’s stand resulting in a large chest cavity being left
Beta jojo fans: hahaha funny donut
mutahar moment
the jokes help the pain go away
No they don't
The Caeser jokes made the pain harder
How original
How old r u
sardust
?
Thanks I hate it :)
welcome ❤️
stardead crusaders
how long is stardust crusaders?
48 episodes
152 chapters
thx
@supple kestrel have you finished SDC?
your right but it's a spoiler
@supple kestrel, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !
I meant its a spoiler if you were still in part 2 or part 1
BseT, i wouldnt recommend being in this channel until you finish SDC
cuz theres spoilers regularly discussed
-rep @wintry rampart
froggy: 0 Rep (##ω)
wtf thats a thing lmao
x247Shufflingx: 0 Rep (##ω)
-rep @idle terrace
iggy: 0 Rep (##ω)
Weird
I wont forget that
froggy: 0 Rep (##ω)
BOT COMMANDS GO IN #bot-commands
joseph x advol for life baby
and 2 sdc characters
two is more than one
checkmate
doesnt matter
those are the rules
fuck kak
marry pol
kill jot
fuck jot
marry pol
kill kak
at least we agree pol is marryable
polnareff is a gentleman
i'd want to go to polnareffland
id want to go to polnareffland

coughdelete bothcough
Jotaro best anime character
Disagree
Shiii
In my opinion
Thats fine
hard disagree

Stardust crusaders was boring and honestly repetitive
based
The same things happened every episode
How dare you
we're allowed to have opinions
Rewatch Stardust crusaders and tell me im wrong
No way
Cool ice moment
it doesnt do villain of the week very well
@viscid burrow 
I did, didn't feel repetitive to me
Hello
Hello Dio
Someone repeating the same old "Part 3 is repetive" critique for 13355368865734657421551st time.

Sure there's a format but what happens in the episodes make the entire journey far from repetitive
So true
The only repetitive thing about part 3 is the amount of people who call it boring and overrated
Correct
Irony
True
magicians bread
Part 3 good
Yes
all parts good
agreed
Yes
all parts are amazing!
They all have their pros and cons, which evens them out.
another discord meme I stole fr what effect is this called?
Yeah, it deserved its hype tbh
It's my favorite part tbh
when you realise kono dio da was the biggest jojo meme but were dio's last words:
oh well dio was a villain
so no one cares about him
did you watch part 3
yes?
well it was not really kono dio da it was kono dio ga as his last words
idk it was something like kono dio da
yes
cringe
yes the monke
is the user
Break what rules?
But the ship is bound to a real thing, so it should have different rules
It's unlike any of the stands they've met so far
I might be wrong but didnt the ship disappear when the monkey was defeated
There are no rules remember
they describe it as rules but its just assumptions
bound stand is a fan made term
also wheel of fortune is also bigger than the car its bound to
i mean this is early SDC
remember when a stands power was measured by how visible it is?
Look up Nile ue ue fly on google
The only result you’ll get is Tsetse fly
No reference to “Nile ue ue fly” at all, it’s not an alternate name, not a localized name, nothing.
but thats how it works later on
so it is what it is
maybe the monke is just the mentally strongest jojo character
lmfao
Jotaro has a lot about him other than "Edgy teen" like everyone says
who knows
what episode
He's always quiet and so far didn't show any personality
Compared to Joseph in battle tendency
which ep
I'm in "The Devil"
@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !
whos that again, whats the stands abilities
Where polnareff fights against the dude
Who's like
Weird and sadistic
And if you hurt him he hates you allowing him to fight you
oh that doll
Yee
I mean since the start of stardust crusaders
When they introduce you to Jotaro
He's done pretty much nothing but be quiet and complai
He's had a few good moments
But it's just
So bland compared to Joseph's random personality, he was funny, smart, always managed to get out of fights against people who were a lot more powerful then him
It was just a lot more fun to watch that
jotaro is smart too
no i know
but his personality in comparation is not good enough, at least so far, maybe he gets better
he's just mainly chill, the person who is gonna entertain you the most is polnereff
but jotaro gets great fights
hmm honestly
so far i dont like anyone specially
they kinda nerfed joseph
now hes just viewed as an old man
well theres a lot more episodes in sardust crusaders than BT and PB
yeah i've seen that
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!!MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!!MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!!MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!!MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!!MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!!
no
no
ORA > MUDA
{redacted} > muda
s t a r f i n g e r
Hora
i have to say tho, star platinum and magician's red are the coolest stands so far
ah yes the bird stand
i honestly expected joseph's stand to be better
same
just imagine if they combined star platinum with hamon
@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !
its probably the weakest stand
yup
that would be too op against vampires
Ora Overdrive
lmao
it'd be cool tho
also i felt so sad when caesar died
he had so much potential
yeah we couldve gotten a bubble stand
and i also thought that like, what if kars ever comes back
I wish
it is if he somehow gets a space ship
I wonder what stand lisa lisa would get
hmm
well she was amazing with hamon
soo
something powerful but not too much ig
doest hamon exist at all anymore?
it basically doesnt
but joseph use it a few times
its probably since most of the villains arent vamps
the random minor villains aint
2
minor villains dont matter as much though
if dio is a vampire and hes the main enemy
why delete hamon
i know
thats why i think they shouldve kept hamon but also add stands
joseph didnt have time to teach jotaro hamon
lmao
But again, it's almost never used
Because they never fight vampires up until they actually have dio left to fight
i want to see kars vs dio
me too
technically kars is more powerful
he was basically a god
joseph was just really lucky
dio has incredible regneration though and a powerful stand
kars would stomp dio yeah
Without stands, regular kars beats dio in a 10-0 matchup
probably 1 shots dio
so does kars
and he can basically manipulate his body to anatomical level
kars def wins
with dios stand it'd be alittle more difficult but his hamon one shots dio
They basically eat vampires as a snack
dio wouldn't even stand a chance against any of the pillar men
he does
time stop and cut off wammu/santana/esidici's head
can they regenerate from a head
then its just gonna be a stalemate until its day, where dio can cut off their heads in time stop and throw the rest of his body in the sun
how would he kill dio as a head if dio can just walk away
Hilarious
well he moved polnereff lower of the stairs and went back at his original spot
he can just stay in place and use his stand you know
then he could do the same with wammu
wammu cant even see stands so dio gets another advantage
he can't hear stands either
he can still sense it
so I dont think he would be able to detect movement
he can simply kill dio by touching him lmao
how?
they can absorb shit with there cells
Pillar Men?
yes
and also
if you use smarts and time stop Im sure you can beat wammu
But he doesn't have time stop
couldn't dio just stop time, grab wamu and put him in the sun or something
he'll burn
Oh
not if dio knows where he is and goes to fight him
How does that work?
wammu would be slower than The World
bruh
yes but not forever, and it can be exploited as we saw with caesar
yeah thats true
idk, i see dio pulling off a fight against wamu
hes really smart
well how fast is the world compared to that?
?
We don't know
exactly
what is that suppose to show
so you cant say the world isnt faster
There's no point in arguing if The World is faster than the Pillar Men, because it probably is
thats just a scene
i dont have the gif
i guess you dont remember the scene
no
i know, waamu blitzes through the whole room right
@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !
he can just stop time and donut him smh
but I was talking about wamuu and esisdici and santana, kars wins in many ways
also divine sandstorm is just wammu spinning his arms really quickly
isnt santana very weak compared to others
yeah
cutting of their heads wont be easy
remember when esidisi swallowed a dynamite stick?
i hate how lisa lisa got killed so easily when they were overhyping her
she was supposed to be really strong
I mean, she lived
lisa lisa only beat a minor villian with 3 minutes of screentime lmfao
And if kars fought fair, she wouldve had a decent chance
yeah, some people was calling me a lisa lisa hater cus I said she didn't do much
She's not overhpyed, if she fought Kars 1v1 she'd destroy him
We don't know that
Her hamon is 3 times stronger then Joseph's
Joseph always had the advantage of fighting all Pillar Men 1 on 1. Lisa Lisa never had that chance.
And Joseph beat Kars while weakened and protecting Lisa Lisa
but if shes so strong how couldn't she see coming a dumb trick like that
...
That trick wasn't dumb
Being strong does not = being omniscient
^
cmon guys
What
the trick was just shitty tbh
exactly
He hid in a wall
Joseph probably would've fell for the same shit in terms of character
yes he would
im just saying she got little screentime, esp in fights and she should've seen that trick coming like, why would they believe kars
He's not omniscient either. The only reason he even wins is because the luxury of taking them all 1 by 1. Lisa Lisa got fucked and technically got double teamed. We've seen Joseph lose instantly when faced down by multiple pillar men (their encounter)
double teamed? wasn't the clone a normal vampire
that was just a normal vampire and kars
not 2 pillar men
That's why I said technically
And? That vampire was used as a distraction with her rightfully not being aware that it was a track
honestly she should have seen this coming from kars lmao
No
cus plot lol
thats what im saying
All Pillar Men kept their word up but be dumb enough to claim "pLOT GUYS. SHE SHOULD'VE BEEN OMNISCIENT" I guess
she shouldve been able to see that coming
ngl Lisa Lisa is hot
omniscient, no, the vampire literally struck her from behind and she was literlly standing there like what
Kars struck her from behind
Lol
Classic characters being killed then living a peaceful life

She destroyed the vampire easily but unfortunately got tricked as Kars was not taking the chance of a 1 on 1. She does not know Kars' personality nor did she and Joseph himself know about that trick. It's unreasonable and just pure meta shit to complain that Lisa Lisa wasn't omniscient and somehow would read an unpredictable maneuver Kars did.
She was shafted for sure but it's dumb to complain that Lisa Lisa didn't see that coming.
All pillarmen? Only 1 kept their word which is wamuu
Uhm guys sorry uh nerd out here but🤓 .. Hamon is clearly used to see the future and has some omnipotence like Zeppelis master and hermit purple being able to do the camera thing. So uh ahcue sorry tto brake you buble but clearly Lisa Lisa is my waifu I have a bodypillow of hehr UwU
Except all of them did a 1 on 1.
^
Kars was the exception that straight up used a doppelganger vampire as bait. Expecting Lisa Lisa and Joseph in character to not fall for Kars' trick is plainly, fucking nonsense
Why is this chat so disingenuous
You say anything different = dummie
Except you're making disingenuous dumb as fuck points and complaining that Lisa Lisa didn't read something unpredictable like Kars did. Not even Joseph saw that coming.
Jeez lower the toxicity here
now he needs to reread part 2
the fact that i don't remember some details don't mean i haven't watched it, i just can't remember everything specifically, my main point is that she had been hyped for a while and got little screentime and just fell for a trick that kars did, now i know she didn't know his personality and stuff but like, in (my opinion) i think she should've seen that coming.
bs
And you're both arguing that "oh it was just plot. Lisa Lisa should've read an attack that not even Joseph expected"
Are you saying you'd expect a trick like that
Pretty sure the just plot was more a joke..
Lisa Lisa was shafted for sure but to say Lisa Lisa should've expected something like that is pure meta and silly.
His fight was still a 1 on 1 and never really went back on anything he said
I thought it was common sense
No?
bruh accept the fact people can have an opinion
I don't have to respect an opinion that makes disingenuous points. I also agreed with that opinion to a degree but Lisa Lisa reading something like that would be pure bullshit. It does not make any lick of sense.
?????????????????
what have I said that was wrong
tell
Did acidisi not go on an innocent person?
these guys lmfao, opinion you don't agree with = wrong, dumb, go back to part 2

answer bro
why do you keep putting it down to "just respect others opinions" without making any valid points
No I didnt, I said the other 2 (besides wamuu) were dishonerable
So guys uhh egyptian gods right? Cool
thats not how arguments work
Pet shop a bird op as frick
bruh.
what do you mean by valid points? what can be valid for you maybe isn't for me
Who else feels really bad for pocky's owners (cart riders who were attacked by rubber soul)
You're making misinformed points. If you have to resort to "opINIONS" to justify your prospective why make an argument? You argued that Lisa Lisa should've seen it coming, it makes no sense that Elizabeth would read something like that. You even said Joseph would've seen that coming BUT HE DIDN'T. Joseph was just as blindsided as Lisa Lisa.
This is a beautiful moment. Liam saying im right 
Like the dad was just trying to help but ended up ripping off poor pocky's head
wait I'm confused, I thought Wammu was the only honorable one. Did I miss something? (Part 2's been a hot minute for me.)
this is true but just saying "its my opinion" is objectively not a valid point to support an argument
In tht really I meant that only 1 didn't cheat but thats a bad on my part
on their word? What did they say? (I don't remember)
I thought they meant keeping their words like being truthful to the battle field, not resorting to cheating
But Kars did
yeah I said kars and esidici did and wamuu was the only honorable one
Who else feels bad for pocky and its owners (the cart riders they were attacked by rubber soul)
guys this is the stardust crusaders chat
Kars did it in a matter that not even Joseph expected.
dont act like lying is the only reason that makes someone not honorable or trustwoorthy
would u still trust someone tha tcheated
he went on an innocent person
Guys go 5o #battle-tendency
Can 5iu guys go 5o #battle-tendency
was it ever established that this would be "cheating"?
Kars did not cheat in the first encounter. We directly see Kars fight fairly
its common sense bruh
no it isnt?
thats like saying throwing water in a game of soccer isnt cheating
because it wasnt established
@hearty widget @past sail @D pls to to #battle-tendency
Kars not only went back on his word, but did it in a way that Joseph and Lisa Lisa would've never expected or reacted to in time. It is perfectly reasonable that Lisa Lisa got blindsided. Joseph did too
theres only 3 stands in all of jojo that can defeat ultimate kars witch are cream and twoh and hermit purple
I agree but I just wanted to defend the other guy because when ever someone says something like that people just say : "ur dumb" or something like that
even when they made solid claims
its just annoying
as hel
"Reread part 2"
bruh
Because by the way you talk, it sounds like you didn't pay enough attention
The "solid claims" fell apart instantly when they said Joseph would've seen that coming when he was in shock by Kars' trick himself.
Go to #battle-tendency
Or misremember things
I replied to almost most messages
The only thing I agree on is that Lisa Lisa was shafted
But the solution isn't to make her do bullshit that makes no sense
go to other channel guys
Fine
we've been here long enough
cream
The World
remember of wamuu mentioned his reflex when someone stepped on his shadow
TS and kill him while he's checking if he missed or nah

but then so many other peoplle did
he can just stay in void form like he did with polnareff
yeah and have no idea what hes doing
they cant erase vanilla ices healing
polnareff was literally losing
another discord meme I stole fr what effect is this called?
he only won because he is a vampire
he was in a position where he literally couldnt move properly
he only won cause iggy carried
it would be very different with dio who can stop time for 5 seconds and get away to wherever he wants
if star platinum has time stop it wins
he can't kill him tho
well under what circumstances would they be fighting
dude str platnium cant win
they be fighting in the room
a dark room
in his mansion
in dios mansion
ok at worst then the world can get far away and vanilla ice will not know what happened if he spends time in his void world
if he doesnt spend time in his void world then he probably cant hurt dio enough to win
wow what a counter argument
way more op then star platnium time stop
cap
caaaaaap
DOSENT MEAN HE CANT LOSE
star plat time stop then he pushes him itno sunlight
are u dumb do u need help u relize cream can counter time stop
true he wont be able to kill him if he doesn't know what he is doing
even if he gets a limb or 2 he will regenerate
he will have to peak out eventually
capper
yeah true
you cant just say "this stand is more op than this other stand" without saying anything to prove it and whoever is usually stronger doesnt necessarily determine who will win with a system like stands
he has that
not to sun
and how is dio any different?
^^^^
i feel like joseph can beat vanilla ice
vanilla ice's largest weakness is the sun
hamon user vs vanilla
hm
cream has the ability of going into a void dimension that can hide himself from time stop i also think theres not a cooldown to creams interdimensional acess also the only way jotaro can hear cream is by cream devouring something and yes jotaro has time stop jotaro can not spam it i think in part 3 and also and plus star platnium or the world cant touch creams ball or even move him or do anything and theres tenically a little cooldown to time stop and also cream can remove your limbs so you cant even move like he did with pol this is tenically a suitation fight but if vanilla ice was in a rooma vanilla ice could win also it would be night time.
this very hard to read without punctuation
vanilla, unless the hamon user encoats them selves in hamon on time
wait can vanilla ice see when hes using his stand
he didn't do that
dio can regenerate
vannila has to peak out in wich they will just stop time and kill him
he has no idea if they die or not
no i mean in the end
yeha he has to keep peeking
when he was spinning in circles
hamon beat wins
cant vanilla ice also regenrate and plus dio cant erase vanilla ice is healing but vailla ice can erase dios healing
no cap
And The World has time stop
So it can just dodge his bitchass
I mean what if cream just eats them like avdol
stalemate then
yeah true
DIO can just pull Ice outta Cream's mouth when Ice peaks
yeah thats what Im saying
but srsly theres almost no way jotaro can get offensive tatics enough to bet him
Doesn't have to pull the whole fucker out just his upper half
dude no
Dude yes
he cant
are u dumb
Are you?
u relize theres the void on the edges of vanilla ice
or you know
he can attack cream itself when he peaks
would get erased
ice peeks, jotaro gets bullets and snipes him
Vanilla Ice literally peeked several times by bringing his whole upper half outta cream
So DIO can rip of his top half
just because vanilla ice peaks dosent mean hes auto finished
Because if Ice does the shit where he goes in circles like a blind bitch, he'll peek thinking he's won
Time stop, yes it really does
He can't defend in Time stop
And DIO can just use time stop to move to safty
fine u win vanilla ice gets defeated
araki is kinda stupid for making vanilla ice not see
it would be more intesting if vanilla ice could see
or cream go beserk and destroy anything
in its path
cream is a op as fuck stand
and plus vanilla ice can just pull star platniums hand into the void
but ngl cream is pretty stronger then most mv
stands
ngl
yeah araki should just make a stand that can easily defeat every crusader
If the sun's user wasn't so dumb he would have killed all of the crusaders
/s?
Araki is stupid for not writing Vanilla Ice to be too overpowered?
That's like saying "Araki is kinda stupid for putting a cooldown and duration on DIO's time stop
Araki is also stupid for not giving Joseph a powerful humanoid Stand smh smh
I kind of understand it. This is Jotaro's part. If he were to give Joseph some cool humanoid stand, Jotaro would be overshadowed
that's also why Jotaro was nerfed heavy in part 4
It's called fuckin sarcasm
We were both mocking somebody who said something utterly stupid
shit, i'm dense af sorry
This
That was serious
I made that joke
btw its bullshit how joseph got hermit purple
araki dumb smh joseph needs cool stronk humanoid stand
Crusaders because they are going on a ''crusade'' to stop Dio
Stardust because Star Platinum
Sunbathing with his school uniform
Classic teenagers
What you all don't do that?
I did
Well I don't have a school uniform but so did i
Do you think hol horse had to be the one to take Dio's ||tasteful nudes|| and bring them to the printer store and make the employees watch him print out like 20 copies of this mans muscular back
@twilit fable, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !
Or do you think someone like Mariah would have
this is my favorite part
i think vanilla ice wouldve gladly done it
Ohhh true true. I'd wanna say N'doul too but one obvious factor would stop him 👀

@hot mortar, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !
the boy has an oral fixation, leave him be 
idk

Idk
Sus Platinum The Cringe
ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA
@viscid burrow
Stupid assumption
How is he not wrong with such am assumption
He Did the thing
Guess I'll never see the explanation of your sentence
This
Ooooh

But it was the best death in the part
I agree with Avdol having screen time
Needed more development
they wouldnt have found out TWs ability
at least not earlier on in the fight
But every one saw so mutch potental for his Future
you expect araki to give us a happy ending? 
You've got a point there
Him having potential in the future doesn't make him immune to death
As the trope usually goes that makes him more likely to die
Araki kills so many characters to show that you can't achieve victory without dying
Having no one die would suck
Well...
😳



Arrow and edge
Wut

My dog just looked me straight in the eyes as I woke up and shit on my bed
She’s pure evil


I personally think that this is the 2nd best part right after Battle Tendency
I formally dissagree
Ok
p4 for me


I agree

Kryjówka
@wintry basin, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !
yes
How to find Dio's Hideout?
throw your pet dog or whatever at any birds you see
iggy was best death
Same
Second*
I mean kakyoin's death was more seen as like figuring out dios secret but iggys death was more emotional
Kaks death was emotional af but I agree iggys was big sad too
^i read kaks as kars 
Kars death?!?!?
lmao i was like how was kars's 'death' emotional.. did i miss something..
then i read you text again
its funnier with the lisalisa pfp
Lmao
the ass
not really
ultimate kars stomps part 3 dio
No
yes
Ultimate Kars can't die, so even with time stop Dio wouldn't be able to do anything serious to him
Stands are on a completely different level than ultimate Kars
this just isnt true
Kars was dying, the volcano was killing him, at the time nothing existed that could kill him
And if he tried to get close to him without knives and all that, he would die
He is literally immortal
Unkillable
dio cant do anything to ultimate kars that kars cant regenerate from in a couple seconds
He isn’t, Kars is the strongest being on earth but the second he enters space he has nothing to defend against stuff outside of the earths nature
hes still alive lol
indeed
Stands are from space and and are on a completely different power level
That's a future part detail
Cause nothing can kill him out there but he stopped thinking he is basically brain dead from insanity
It literally says he stopped thinking
But it doesn't mean he was insane
Even if he were to return he would just be a husk
how can dio beat kars
explain
They can play chess
Then u don’t understand basic psychology
Boom, Dio can win
Dio and Kars approach each other
Fight starts in 3 2...
ZA WARUDO
Dio - Laughs
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA
Dio beats Kars until he is just mush
11 seconds have passed, time resumes
Dio stares down at the remains and sees it beginning to regenerate
Dio - Ho! Still fighting back are we?
Dio uses his stingy eyes and erases the rest of the remains
the end
Nope
Lmao
Kars has nothing in his arsenal to defend himself from the world
First of all, Dio needed Joestar blood to reach more than 5 seconds
well
Even so, we are going with the strongest versions of the character
@dense rain, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !
if we are talking about each villain at full strength
You ignore the fact that because of his status as the ultimate life form, he could very likely get a Stand
absurd regeneration, mad 18m hops
Even so 5 seconds 11 seconds
He can’t regenerate in he bashed his head off
That’s clear
Dio couldn't bash his head off
No
he regenerated being stuck in lava for a minute
Your argument sucks
He couldn’t regenerate fast enough hence why he made a air shield
You don’t even have an argument
kars can absolutely tank 11 seconds of TW barrage
And where do u get this from
Oh wait
No where
Where do you get the fact that The World would beat Kars?
Nowhere
Kars got wounded from Joesph handLMAO

Shut up
Lots of proof if u let me talk
other human characters surviving worse in jojos
Also, the injury wasn't even serious
Kars is immortal but he can still be harmed, and if you deny that this convo is over because if you don’t you are just denying it, ultimate Kars is flawed as he can only use abilities to pertain to earth and it’s environment
Ultimate Kars is not flawed, he is the ULTIMATE life form
The lava was killing him, he had to shield himself
But lava =/= Stand barrage
You also have to think, he was the ultimate life form at the time, in future not so much
Nuclear weapons exist
Etc.
implying he cant evolve...
Araki didn’t invent stands
What
So at the time he was the strongest
what
Now he isn’t
what
He is still the physically strongest creature
And he couldn’t give himself a stand since it’s not from earth
No, that was because Stand arrows weren't discovered yet
He has the strength of whatever the strongest creature is on earth and out performs them so let’s just say a tiger in peak physical condition
which kars are we talking ultimate or rgular
Ultimate
well i dont think so
ultimate absolutely stomps
dio would lose then he can do what joseph did, cover himself in hamon
he can create any living being and turn himself into one
Ultimate Kars would obliterate Dio, cope











