stardust-crusaders

[crude sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-jojo-flossing-floss-dance-gif-13950689

[winged crest]

#manga-jojokes

[analog quartz]

How does "Making a vampire with DIO's blood" logic work

[limber oar]

Wym

Vampire DNA makes vampires

Isn’t that kinda a thing?

[analog quartz]

yes

[wintry rampart]

Is there a spam channel

[limber oar]

Wym spam

[analog quartz]

he's asking if there's a channel for spamming

[limber oar]

What kind of spam is what I meant

[analog quartz]

ok bro

[wintry rampart]

Whatchu😒know🧐about🤨rolling📍down📉in😖deep🥵end🥺when🤗your😧brain🧠go🙄numb🥴and🤐you👽call📞it🤥mental🤓freeze🥶

So I can spam this

[limber oar]

Bot commands go in #bot-commands
Jojo memes go in #manga-jojokes
And off topic memes go in #memes-and-images

[analog quartz]

btw for your information this isn't general

[frosty cradle]

delet

future name

[limber oar]

Yeah that’s a thing too

No names of future characters

In earlier discussion channels

[wintry rampart]

No

[frosty cradle]

...

....

[analog quartz]

If you don't like it here you should just go on to #jojo-anime-discussion

but rn you should delete that or you're gonna face consequences

[frosty cradle]

well, according to the rules, you have to

[wintry rampart]

My pfp

Or

[limber oar]

The message saying the name

[frosty cradle]

pfp is fine

[limber oar]

Your pfp doesn’t matter

[frosty cradle]

just the message

[wintry rampart]

So what do I have to change

[analog quartz]

delete

[frosty cradle]

just delete the message

[analog quartz]

the name

[limber oar]

Delete this and that’s it

[frosty cradle]

yes

[wintry rampart]

Ok

[limber oar]

Thanks

[frosty cradle]

dankeschon

[wintry rampart]

the more you learn the more you know

[frosty cradle]

indeed

[limber oar]

Indubitably 🧐

[north linden]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-muda-muda-muda-punch-jojos-bizarre-adventures-gif-17338752

[quick perch]

||wow kakyoins my favorite character, i hope nothing happens to him in jojo's bizarre adventure: stardust crusaders episode 46 dio's world part 2 at 6:15||

[lilac latch]

im sure hell be ok

[raven gull]

he is fine

[knotty hornet]

Anyone else agree Part 3 would have been way cooler if Jotaro had Hamon?

[lilac latch]

ehh idk

[frosty cradle]

ehhhhhhh

[lilac latch]

how would that fit the story

[knotty hornet]

Idk, just thought it'd be cool if maybe Joseph taught Jotaro about Hamon, or there was perhaps another Zeppeli to teach him. I'm not sure if they would keep stands which would change things a lot, but I think it's still fun to think about.

[lilac latch]

but the zeppeil bloodline ended wotb caesar

[knotty hornet]

I know, but what if he had a child before his death, or possibly survived.

[lilac latch]

oh

[knotty hornet]

It'd be cool to see Joseph and Jotaro team up for a Hamon attack.

[frosty cradle]

well, jotaro wouldnt have time to train for hamo

[quick perch]

e

[toxic tendon]

[quick perch]

heh

i feel no pain now

[toxic tendon]

fucking bs that jotaro didn't get hamon like cmon joseph used hamon his entire life and it was bc jonathan used it a few months, so therefore jotaro had more chances of getting hamon than joseph did

[quick perch]

joot

[toxic tendon]

boop

[steady haven]

[quick perch]

ye

[knotty hornet]

I'm just saying it would be cool.

Wait, nvm.

I misread that.

I agree with you.

[frosty cradle]

joseph had time to train, jonathan had time to train, jotaro didnt

[knotty hornet]

But what if Jotaro's Dad became good friends with Caesar's son, and left him to be a father figure for Jotaro teaching him Hamon after school?

[frosty cradle]

wot

[knotty hornet]

^

[toxic tendon]

like bitch if joseph was born with hamon then jotaro could do that too

would've been too op in the last battle i guess?

[frosty cradle]

ehh

[limber oar]

Wouldn’t have really affected the last battle

All the fighting was with stands

[frosty cradle]

yea

[nimble basin]

stardust crusaders? More like stardust poo poo!

[hazy niche]

im sorry what?

[frosty cradle]

its a meme, they posted it in every channel

[hazy niche]

oh

i was about to get pissed

[frosty cradle]

yea

[hazy niche]

stardust

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-egypt-jotaro-gif-19292993

[near star]

@hazy niche, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[nimble basin]

Sun ashes

[manic rain]

Sun ashes

[mighty panther]

Sun ashes

[smoky verge]

Sun ashes

[mellow glacier]

Sun ashes

[subtle crypt]

Sun ashes

[frosty cradle]

ƨɘʜƨɒ nυƧ

[agile delta]

Sun ashes

[limber oar]

Sun ashes

[robust linden]

It's not bs at all, Jotaro was powerful enough as is without hamon. He didn't need to have hamon forced on him. Joseph wasn't going to teach him as he's too lazy nor would Jotaro bother with it. That's not counting the fact that Jotaro probably didn't inherit it like George Joestar 2 didn't.

It would be bullshit if Jotaro was taught hamon as it takes a lot of training and commitment. Which he didn't have time for as of Part 3

[rigid ridge]

good take ^^

[sturdy dove]

Joseph had a horrible downgrade

Im talking more about his stand

Then himself

[rigid ridge]

he got old

[sturdy dove]

Yea

And he uses hamon

And I Know

That people says that joseph only trained with hamon for a little bit

Blah blah

But its a shame

Lol

[trim root]

Part 3 joseph is best joseph change my mind

[sturdy dove]

Yea the guy who get cucked by dio

[trim root]

Dust travelers

[winged crest]

George II wasn't born with Hamon, also Jotaro having it wouldn't do anything

He'd need to touch DIO to kill him with Hamon

Meanwhile if he went in to touch him DIO would actually get a chance to use Vaporizing Freeze

[sturdy dove]

He can't.

Dio said that jonathan body is rejecting his vampire powers

so no vaporizing freeze

but hamon is pretty useless

agaisnt someone who can stop time

[mossy star]

Actually, it was implied he had potential , but he was never trained so he couldn't use Hamon

[limber oar]

I mean, i’d say all of the Joestars have the potential and not even from inheriting it, as Jonathan was a natural from the start.

[winged crest]

Except he still has vampire powers

Or he couldn't regenerate

[sturdy dove]

But dio said that he can't use his vampire powers in the manga

I guess i was erong then?

[winged crest]

Post proof of him saying "I can't use my vampire powers"

[mossy star]

Dio didn't say he couldn't use them, he said he was limited by how much he could use them

Like left side healing more slowly

[sturdy dove]

Oh okay.

[sturdy dove]

I check and i was wrong

[coarse knot]

i dont know why.. i find something sus about this building

I wonder why

[stoic field]

second best op imo

[stoic field]

dio t-posing and squatting

[coarse knot]

why yes

the gay vampire doing the funny

[winged crest]

I mean most of the important (like Cairo) places they fight are real places

[coarse knot]

oh

i see

what about jojo's mansion

*jonathan's

[winged crest]

Idk about that

[ancient fox]

correct if i am wrong, but this hotel (Novotel Cairo El Borg) overlooks the bridge where the final showdown took place (Qasr el Nil bridge)

[winged crest]

Yes you are correct

That is that bridge

[coarse knot]

star dust crusaders style emoji

ez

[somber halo]

BOBOBOBOBBONONONONONONONO

NO

[coarse knot]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[ancient fox]

thanks for confirming!

[willow grotto]

is part 7 and 8 gonna be animated?

[ancient kettle]

yeah

[limber oar]

Yes probably

[ancient kettle]

eventually

[wintry rampart]

Why ask here?

[limber oar]

Almost definitely

But yeah this is a weird place to ask

[willow grotto]

oh

well i dont want to be spoiled

in the other places

cause im on part 5

[wintry rampart]

Ah

[limber oar]

Are you on part 3?

[willow grotto]

no

i finished it last week

[limber oar]

#jojo-anime-discussion has no spoilers for manga parts

[willow grotto]

oh

thanks

[limber oar]

Manga I meant

But yeah

[cobalt pendant]

[stoic field]

"*I'm on part 5 rn"
"I finished part 3 last week"

Tf u watching part 4 in 1 week

[ancient kettle]

i watched it in a week

[stoic field]

Damn

Ppl really rush jojo?

No dignity

[vast jungle]

i mean if you're watching it's reasonable to finish it in a week

it's 39 episodes which is like 13 hours

[stoic field]

That's like 5 eps per day

Or about 5.5 eps

[worn lava]

Welp

I see Jojo now has the stupid censorship on netflix

This is now on netflix

[winged crest]

It always had that censorship in a lot of places

[wintry rampart]

It depends if a streaming service is using the Blu-ray version or not. On Netflix, some regions use the Blu-ray version for Part 3, so Jotaro smoking isn't censored.

[novel carbon]

woah woah woah is that a c*garette ?!

[near star]

@novel carbon, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !

[worn lava]

I remember it being bluray in america for a while

[frosty cradle]

i got it on bluray like last month

[narrow pendant]

how do i become as buff as jotaro

and speak english like old joseph

[flat crown]

Be angry do crime

[blissful urchin]

Why do people ship jotaro and kakyoin?

[narrow pendant]

what is a ship

like strength the stand

[narrow pendant]

how do i do so

[slender dragon]

It's basically imagining 2 fictional characters in a relationship with eachother

[narrow pendant]

oki

but how to say oh no or oh my god like old joseph joestar

[blissful urchin]

Honestly I think polareff and kakyoin would fit better

[narrow pendant]

anyone notice that the noses in part 4 look super ugly and different to part 3 noses

[narrow pendant]

joseph and dio fits best

[blissful urchin]

I wouldn't even want to imagine how that would go

[narrow pendant]

amazing

apart from the fact Dio wants Josephs blood

That might end bad

[blissful urchin]

They'd probably fight over who would be on top

[winged crest]

???

They are friends

That's the only chemistry i can see there

Friendship

[narrow pendant]

Does Dio return in pt 4

[blissful urchin]

Same can be said with jotaro and kakyoin

[blissful urchin]

No

[winged crest]

Don't talk about future parts

[narrow pendant]

/what is pt 4 bout

[near star]

@narrow pendant, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[winged crest]

Is what i'll say to that question

[narrow pendant]

Overdrive!

[winged crest]

Ask in DIU chat or just watch the dang part

[narrow pendant]

idk y

hes just annoying

[winged crest]

ffs

I just said don't talk about future parts

[narrow pendant]

btw what happened to kakyoin painting power

[winged crest]

@viscid burrow

[winged crest]

never existed in the first place

[narrow pendant]

Nani

[winged crest]

It wasn't a painting power

That was him being dramatic for us the audience

[narrow pendant]

so how he cut jotaro

[winged crest]

He just attacked with Hirophant green be it with a tentacle or an emerald

[narrow pendant]

but sp would have seen it

like how it saw d'arby(barbie the gambler) cheating

[winged crest]

No, he wouldn't see something moving very fast coming from behind him

Because he didn't have Star Platinum out

[narrow pendant]

hmmmm

ora ora or damu damu

pick one

[winged crest]

Damu damu?

the hell is that

[narrow pendant]

useless useless useless

the thing tw says

[winged crest]

Damu is not a word

Muda is

[narrow pendant]

lol i hear damu

btw

whats with the chain jotaro has on a uniform

[winged crest]

Decoration

[wintry rampart]

I’m rewatching Stardust Crusaders for the plot and I just realized something

[flat crown]

What

[wintry rampart]

Polnareff has a leg fetish

Well maybe it is when he is taking pictures of girls’ legs

Where can I watch the Part 3 blu-ray?

[wooden minnow]

this is best part

in jojo

[ancient kettle]

i disagree but like, your opinion so its fine

[stoic field]

imo 2nd best part

[flat crown]

Yep

[wooden minnow]

part 3 4 and 5

are my fave

and part 2

[stoic field]

r u anime only?

[wooden minnow]

no

i just dont like the other parts

[stoic field]

ur in part 8 right?

[wooden minnow]

yes

[stoic field]

oh

[wooden minnow]

Go stone ocean if u wanna see why I dont like

part 6

[stoic field]

that's acc kinda rare to see someone caught up with the manga, but not like the manga parts

[wooden minnow]

part 6 big meanie

I no like part 6

[junior garnet]

Did you actually read through Part 6 or did you skim it to get to Part 7

[sonic condor]

y delete it

[junior garnet]

Future Part spoilers

[sonic condor]

oh

sorry

[junior garnet]

But to answer your question: Jotaro literally stops time in the final fight with Dio

[sonic condor]

ye

oh wait

i get it now

thank you

🙂 👍

[junior garnet]

[dense portal]

Why does dio have hermit purple

[frosty cradle]

jonathan

[dense portal]

That doesn't answer it

[frosty cradle]

hamon = hermit purple

[dense portal]

But hamon would kill him

[stoic field]

not necessarily

otherwise dio would be dead

[frosty cradle]

look thats what i was told

[winged crest]

You were lied to

[stoic field]

lick

this is the taste of a liar

[dense portal]

So my question

[frosty cradle]

because

[dense portal]

Please answer me

[frosty cradle]

cant say that name

bruh

[dense portal]

I forgot

I'm stupid

I'll post that in part 6

[lilac latch]

i thought he liked thighs lmao

[chrome rover]

[lilac latch]

[frosty cradle]

Pitter Patter Pol

[dense portal]

Guys!

This villain looks so cool!

I can't wait to see his true form!

I bet he will look so epic

And have big muscles

And be so cool

oh

[frosty cradle]

cringe

[white ingot]

Reminder that Joseph is still wanted for murder in Varanasi

Snazzy sunnys

[frosty cradle]

still cringe

[winged crest]

People sometimes come in here and rp as characters they are named after, why would we assume it's a joke thus tine

[lilac latch]

why is he bald

[winged crest]

Because he doesn't have hair

[dense portal]

Is my joke funny guys

Please I worked hard

I downloaded 2 entire photos for this mene

[ancient kettle]

lmao

[tranquil ivy]

Yes, it is very funny

[dense portal]

Yay

[winged crest]

@viscid burrow the shit above this message

[viscid burrow]

me and erik have like a deal

🤝

[wintry rampart]

GUYS

I JUST REALIZED

JOTARO ISNT THAT BAD OF A GUY

HES JUST TRYING TO ACT TOUGH

AND IS ACRUALLY A NERD

THATS RIPPED ASF

Like-

theres a scene

where in the boingo fight i think

where polnereff asks boingo these weird pop culture references to see if hes real

which means jotaros a pop culture nerd

[ancient kettle]

Oingos the one with khnum

[wintry rampart]

oh

Manish baby fight is best fight

cuz death 13 is in it

nah im jk

[lilac latch]

death 13 is one of my favoirte stand designs

[wintry rampart]

yes

[wintry rampart]

mega based

[manic crater]

I don't think Polnareff asked pop culture references in that fight, but Jotaro did ask Joseph about some in order to prove he's actually Joseph.

[wintry rampart]

in the manga i think

[manic crater]

It's not in the manga either

[wintry rampart]

oh

i thought it happned

[quick perch]

jewtaro

[near star]

@quick perch, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[quick perch]

epic

[manic crater]

[lilac latch]

[quick perch]

[winged crest]

Jotaro asked Joseph about Weird Al Yankovich

[dense portal]

No he's just sexist

jatoeu however is epic

[frosty cradle]

..

[lilac latch]

iggy’s bitches kinda hot ngl /j

[winged crest]

The fuck

[lilac latch]

[lilac latch]

[neon walrus]

k here so sus

@wintry rampart I AM HERE

https://tenor.com/view/yes-i-am-yes-i-am-gif-4799231

[wintry rampart]

Dio has stolen johathan s body at the end of part 1, and "Kujo" is Joestar s grandson

[neon walrus]

oh

lol-

[wintry rampart]

and it was on freaking episode 1 lmfao

[neon walrus]

ik

but didnt remember

[wintry rampart]

but you do now

[neon walrus]

[nocturne roost]

After watching Joel’s old eoh streams (don’t judge me) I kinda agree with what he said about DIO’s defeat

[frosty cradle]

yes

[frosty cradle]

joel pog

[nocturne roost]

I mean, I’m pretty sure you don’t just explode like that after getting punched lmao

Unless Jotaro has Ki- gets banned by mod

[winged crest]

The stand cracked and broke apart due to being punched by a Jotaro who isn't holding back

With one of the physically strongest stands ever

[nocturne roost]

I see

So Dio isn’t made of ceramic or glass?

[winged crest]

He is made of flesh, he exploded cuz damage to the stand transfers to the user

[manic crater]

The World exploding because "Jotaro mad" felt kinda BS. It's what happened, but it's kinda wack.

[nocturne roost]

Yeah. Don’t really make much sense but I guess this is something we have to accept

Also, the parts where Jotaro and Dio were flying? Apparently they weren’t exactly “flying”

[junior garnet]

They were jumping with their Stands

[quick perch]

h

[nocturne roost]

yeah

[quick perch]

what is this conversation about

[junior garnet]

And then because time doesn't pass in anime when talking, they just kinda float

[nocturne roost]

Dumb stuff that happens in the part, really

[quick perch]

ah so alessi

[nocturne roost]

Sure....?

[balmy quartz]

jotaro cant time stop

he can steal abilities

like flying

he started flying out of no where

[tranquil ivy]

He was doing the stomp thing

[balmy quartz]

if jotaro has the same type of stand as dio dio should be able to move for 2-3 seconds in jotaro's timestop

[junior garnet]

He literally did

[balmy quartz]

in the road roller part wasnt it dio's time stop?

[junior garnet]

DIO: "Wow it's been 11 seconds and I'm still moving wait a second why am I frozen"
Jotaro: "Once your 9 seconds were up I immediately stopped time"

DIO moved for the first two seconds of Jotaro's time stop

[balmy quartz]

ok but does dio timestop have a cooldown?

[junior garnet]

Obviously it does

If it didn't, he'd just chain them endlessly

[balmy quartz]

like when het got the greatest high

he timestopped

barraged jotaro

timestop ended

[junior garnet]

There's no explicit mention of a cooldown or a specific amount of time, but the fact that he doesn't instantly timestop the moment each timestop is over means he can't chain them

[balmy quartz]

and then after that dio used his kick barrage

and then time stopped

https://tenor.com/view/dio-kicks-jotaro-gif-19050632

at this part

it was just 10 seconds or something like that

it was really short

[junior garnet]

10 seconds > 0 seconds

That's still a cooldown

[balmy quartz]

then why didnt he spam it at the start

plus he couldve killed jotaro when he was just moving his finger not body

god dio is such an idiot

[junior garnet]

Because he got stronger after drinking Joseph's blood that is literally a HUGE plot point in the fight

That is like one of the most important things in DIO's World is that he gets a power-up

[junior garnet]

You live in a glass house

[balmy quartz]

i said that as a joke

dude he couldve killed jotaro multiple times when he couldnt attack during timestop

1st one is where he has his finger moving 2nd one is where he had " the magnet "

[frosty cradle]

indeed

delete

future name

[balmy quartz]

shimata

[lilac latch]

i heard that like in this scene jotaro had stopped tike for like a spilt second but didnt realize it or something

[junior garnet]

People like to look at the strange effect and say that's DP foreshadowing time stop

[lilac latch]

ohhh

[tranquil ivy]

It is a similar effect

[junior garnet]

Some people also look at the D'Arby fight and say that Jotaro was subconsciously using time stop to have Star Platinum grab things OR that D'Arby THOUGHT Hot was using time stop and that's why he was scared.

[novel carbon]

My go to example of early time stop is when jotaro fired a gun at his head in prison and Star platinum caught the bullet

[limber oar]

Star Platinum is just that fast and precise it’s not really about stopping time

[analog quartz]

Star Platinum's ability is plot armor

[frosty cradle]

...

[limber oar]

...

[analog quartz]

it's one way to put it

[frosty cradle]

isnt that a bruh momento?

[limber oar]

Is it?

[tranquil ivy]

Breh

[frosty cradle]

i believe so

[limber oar]

indubitably 🧐

[tranquil ivy]

Fancy

[analog quartz]

what happens if Wheel Of Fortune got his hands on a lamborghini

[limber oar]

Spiky lambo

Idk

[analog quartz]

car

[limber oar]

car

[frosty cradle]

car

[analog quartz]

all terrain lambo

[frosty cradle]

damn you ruined it

[analog quartz]

irrelevant loop

[near star]

@cerulean delta, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

[limber oar]

[limber oar]

Uh...

[analog quartz]

not entirely right but yes

[near star]

@analog quartz, Your Hamon Rank is now level 9 !

[frosty cradle]

oi

[analog quartz]

sh

[frosty cradle]

[analog quartz]

tentacle

[frosty cradle]

tentacle

[analog quartz]

tentacle

baby stand

[frosty cradle]

delete that, it has future stands

thanks

ha

delete

delete that

[analog quartz]

didnt mention the name but ok

[frosty cradle]

doesnt matter

iggy bad

[analog quartz]

garfield

[frosty cradle]

yes

bruh

[analog quartz]

what is it

you don't like it?

it's a spoiler?

[frosty cradle]

really?

it just doesnt belong here

[analog quartz]

ok

[frosty cradle]

it is an emoji

[analog quartz]

🚎

[limber oar]

No

The roles are part 1 themed atm

They change so it might come back to them

But you can’t get other part roles right now

Those are from the past

[frosty cradle]

so thats why i have a {REDACTED} role then

[limber oar]

Also this has a future part name in it

Delete it please

Images and text can’t have future names

[frosty cradle]

thems the rules

[limber oar]

Don’t

Just delete it please

If you don’t delete it I’ll have to ping a mod

That’s how the rules work

Ffs

Thanks for deleting it btw

[near star]

@cerulean delta, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[limber oar]

The reason names pfps and roles don’t count is because people don’t point them out as characters because doing that in earlier part channels isn’t allowed

It’s simple

As long as you don’t acknowledge them as JoJo characters yes

[silver stag]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-jojo-jjba-jotaro-kujo-joseph-joestar-gif-15646043

[limber oar]

D you’ve been here a while you shouldn’t be starting shit with the rules

[frosty cradle]

--

[limber oar]

It’s not, it’s just a bigger emote

And emotes are fine

[silver stag]

kakyoin did you lay this egg

[flat brook]

wryyy

[limber oar]

Don’t be a asshat

I don’t make the rules

[flat brook]

OMG KAKYOIN ARE U STILL ALIVE?

[toxic tendon]

what did i just walk into

[limber oar]

Not you, kak

[flat brook]

wry

[toxic tendon]

neither do i

[frosty cradle]

stop

[flat brook]

what

[frosty cradle]

you're being cringe

[flat brook]

i love being cringe

[frosty cradle]

id rather you not

[limber oar]

I have irl shit to do so follow the rules and that’s it

[toxic tendon]

bro you just posted cringe

[frosty cradle]

could you delete

[flat brook]

why

[toxic tendon]

wry

[limber oar]

Pictures of emotes are there to convey an emotion, roles do not that’s it

[toxic tendon]

lol

[limber oar]

Pictures of roles do nothing but add a name to the conversation

[frosty cradle]

im losing my last remaing brain cells

[toxic tendon]

same

[limber oar]

Same

[frosty cradle]

because this isnt the #bot-commands channel

[toxic tendon]

change da world

[frosty cradle]

no

dont spam

[limber oar]

Don’t

[toxic tendon]

cool then do it now

[frosty cradle]

....

then why say it in the first place

they dont need to be

you dont need to

[toxic tendon]

you're

[frosty cradle]

ew broski

[limber oar]

I swear to fucking god

[frosty cradle]

stop bringing them up JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

[toxic tendon]

pfft

[limber oar]

Delete that shit

[toxic tendon]

what if they're on mobile

[junior garnet]

It's been mentioned many times that usernames, profile pictures, and emotes are not discussions.

[limber oar]

People don’t bring them into conversations so it’s fine

Please

[frosty cradle]

this guys getting on my nerves

Please and thank you

[junior garnet]

If you, kak, go into the Part 2 chat and talk, no one's gonna ask "Who's Kakyoin".
But if I say "Why doesn't Jotaro use Hamon" in Part 2 chat, obviously that's a spoiler/

[limber oar]

[frosty cradle]

no, it really wasnt

[junior garnet]

"You told me not to break the rules so it's your fault I broke the rules"

[frosty cradle]

fr

[limber oar]

[silver stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-jotaro-jjba-muda-dio-muda-gif-20172669

the most satisfying kick

[limber oar]

No

But it’s good

[limber oar]

5

[frosty cradle]

6

[silver stag]

😔

[toxic tendon]

f in chat for our fallen comrade

[silver stag]

f

kakyoin was one of my favorites from p3

he took on death 13 by himself and he carried polnarref in his fight with centerfodl

[toxic tendon]

imo david productions backstory makes the whole thing even worse in levels of sad

[robust linden]

Pretty sure that backstory was in the manga

[proven arch]

hey you guys

[light aspen]

This one is definitely my top

I genuinely enjoyed stardust crusaders more than the other ones

[frosty cradle]

its aight, but i like 6 more

[worn lava]

Is it just me or is clowns being really powerful oddly common

[frosty cradle]

idk

[stoic field]

shame that he has like a total of 3 solo fights

and only 1 is actually remembered\

[empty moth]

what who?

[stoic field]

Kakyoin

1 was tower of gray, 2 was death 13, 3 was DIO

[empty moth]

i would say death 13 is well remembered

was a great stand tbh

[subtle crypt]

I agree

[near star]

@subtle crypt, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[robust linden]

[stoic field]

did you know?

[dense portal]

[stoic field]

bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum

[forest kestrel]

[wintry rampart]

[robust linden]

Where'd you get that

[wintry rampart]

Fnf server!
Want me to invite you?

[robust linden]

Sure lemme see

[wintry rampart]

[hushed yarrow]

Cringe

[silver stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-jotaro-jjba-muda-dio-muda-gif-20172669

[stoic field]

damn

Jotaro is a tank

and he could still stand after all of that

[silver stag]

ikr

[stoic field]

truly one of the strongest of the joestar bloodline

[silver stag]

he is the strongest

besides you know who

[stoic field]

and the other

[silver stag]

but that would be a spoiler

[stoic field]

||there are 2 you know whos that are stronger||

[silver stag]

i also dont know much about steel ball run and joojolion i havent read them so idk if they are good

[stoic field]

idk if it's spoiler worthy

but imma put instead

and physically

it's arguable that he is 2nd strongest

acc no he's the 3rd strongest physically

1st is jonathan, then joseph, then joot

[shell flare]

.. im out

[worn lava]

What would Cameo do if instead of wishing for Avdol and his sister Polnareff wished for Dio to die

[stoic field]

cameo would do his fake magic shit, then go "ok dio is dead"

and hope avdol doesnt catch his bluff

[worn lava]

Ok but imagine how much of a joke he would have been

[wintry rampart]

Hol horse was going to be a crusader

Yeah, but Araki didn't want to kill him off.

[silver stag]

https://tenor.com/view/za-warudo-tokiyo-tomare-gif-19278827

[wintry rampart]

So then he used Iggy instead

[stoic field]

pretty sure it's just because he would basically just be the same thing as polnareff role wise

also the emperor as a protagonist stand was hard to write

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY6IQtnHJsk

here is the video about it

[wintry rampart]

there's even a cover with hol horse in it

[wanton turret]

It was never planned

He never had plans for hol to join, but he just thinks it could ne neat

https://jojowiki.com/JoJonium/Special_Interviews taken from JoJonium Volume 10(which features Hol Horse on the cover)

[stoic field]

oh his no. 2 philosophy

[trim root]

DIE

idk

[wanton turret]

What?

[trim root]

What if hol horse was a crusader how whould that change part 3

[silver stag]

it wouldnt tbh

[trim root]

Ok

[silver stag]

dio would just one tap him and gtet him outta the way

._.

[trim root]

Ok

Ok so how about the rest of the fights no body cares about

[shell flare]

kakyoin, i miss you

😔

[nocturne roost]

I fuckin hate when this happens

[shell flare]

woah

theyre all just decoys

look at their flesh

[nocturne roost]

yee

[formal summit]

nice i found the entire last train home ED saved in my gallery

perfect to make me and my weeb friends cry to sleep

[frosty cradle]

....

#memes-and-images

[wintry rampart]

So stardust crusaders

Soooooooooooooo stardust crusaders

[frosty cradle]

..........

[vocal valve]

i do not understand the road roller scene

maybe im just stupid

[winged crest]

What part of it do you not understand

[vocal valve]

ok so

dio throws the roadroller at jotaro

jotaro slowly gets overpowered

the road roller is clearly shown to slam the ground

how did jotaro escape

[winged crest]

Possibly rolled out from under it

Idk we aren't shown how

[vocal valve]

uh

i guess idk

i feel like if he could just roll out

he wouldve done so from the start?

the final frames of him before the road roller slams down shows his punch being overpowered

i doubt he could roll from that

the only thing i could think of is that he stops time as the road roller is about to crush him, he escapes, then time resumes, then the road roller slams down, THEN he stops time again during dio's speech

but idk if theres a better explanation

and its shown that dio can actually move in his time stop

so i dont see how he couldve time stopped and escaped

because dio wouldve been able to move anyways

and crush him

[winged crest]

DIO can't move in time stop if his own time stop is on cooldown

But his time stop was already active anyway

[vocal valve]

i mean

[near star]

@vocal valve, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[vocal valve]

its not like a video game

im pretty sure he cant move

*can

even right after his time stop

he doesnt really have a "cooldown" either he just uses it methodically

obviously it uses up energy

but he just got joseph's blood

[wintry rampart]

Araki has his odds.

[vocal valve]

so i doubt he'd be too "tired" to move

its just strange to me

i dont ever see anybody questioning the road roller scene

[winged crest]

He has a cooldown

[vocal valve]

ok

[wintry rampart]

Cooldown?

[sullen pike]

Ok I gotta ask what the fuck is episode 27

[wintry rampart]

Timestop really has a cooldown?

[frosty cradle]

yes

[winged crest]

Name of episode

[wintry rampart]

When was that stated?

[near star]

@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[frosty cradle]

what episode

[vocal valve]

oingo boingo i think

[sullen pike]

Khnums zenyatta and Thoths Mondatta

It was funny

[vocal valve]

i dont see anything wrong with oingo boingo

yeah it was good

[sullen pike]

Oh wait wrong person

[winged crest]

If it didn't fucking have a cooldowm, and really really think about this, he would use time stop again as soon as it ends

[winged crest]

Comedy episode

[sullen pike]

Yeah it was good but it was just kinda weird

I liked it

[frosty cradle]

Oingo and Boingo

[vocal valve]

i feel like it doesnt have a cooldown but is rather just to keep him from being overpowered that araki doesnt make him just use it constantly every frame

[winged crest]

Joseph and Polnareff mentally regress during Oingo Boingo

[vocal valve]

and even if it had a "cooldown" i feel like moving in time stop is different from actually time stopping

they're correlated but different

[winged crest]

It isn't

[vocal valve]

i mean

theres no exposition so

[winged crest]

Jotaro moving in stopped time is him using his time stop

[vocal valve]

we'd never know

[winged crest]

We

Know

[vocal valve]

wait so

jotaro moving in time stop is the same as time stopping?

[wintry rampart]

No

[vocal valve]

thats what i thought cuz

[winged crest]

Yes

[vocal valve]

if they were the same

wouldnt he have been able to time stop

[winged crest]

They are the same

[vocal valve]

way at the beginning of the fight

[wintry rampart]

Stopping time is different from moving in stopped time.

[winged crest]

He didn't know how to do it till he saw DIO do it, and he was then testing if he can, and when he could then he stayed still till he could surprise DIO

[vocal valve]

i kinda doubt it

[wintry rampart]

If you have the ability to time stop I'm pretty sure you can move in stopped time, but at the end of the fight DIO was unable to move in stopped time.

[winged crest]

????

[wintry rampart]

So I might be wrong.

[winged crest]

No shit

[vocal valve]

he'd rather risk having his heart stop and die than just time stop and stop dio from hurting polnareff?

[wintry rampart]

Or you can move in stopped time randomly

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged crest]

?????

What

Did you

[vocal valve]

u said time stop movement is the same as time stopping right

[winged crest]

Not understand

That scene

Like at all?

[vocal valve]

and u said he just found out he could do it and wanted to save it to suprise dio right

so couldnt he just have time stopped instead?

instead of risking his heart stopping?

[winged crest]

He stopped time a bunch of times during the fight before the heart stopping scene

You know

[vocal valve]

??

[winged crest]

Every single time he moved

[vocal valve]

jotaro or dio

[winged crest]

In DIO's time stop

[lucid geyser]

DIO is conscious whenever time is stopped too

[vocal valve]

so every time he moved in dio's time stop was just him time stopping?

time stop isnt a dimension u can enter for a few seconds before being thrown out of it lmfao

[lucid geyser]

same goes for jotaro

[vocal valve]

that aint how it works

u dont time stop move and call that time stop

[winged crest]

It is

[lucid geyser]

yes that is actually what happened

[winged crest]

He entered "DIO'S World"

[vocal valve]

so his ability to time stop in time stop is time stop movement?

[near star]

@vocal valve, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

[vocal valve]

my brain is small

[lucid geyser]

sure if u want to see it that way

[winged crest]

Jotaro can stop time for about 2 seconds in one scene of the fight, and he moves for 2 seconds of DIO's Time stop

[vocal valve]

ok so the last thing i dont understand is

isnt dio's time stop still active during the road roller scene?

[winged crest]

Yes

[vocal valve]

all the way until he slams down the road roller?

[winged crest]

Y

Es

[vocal valve]

so jotaro uses his movement to slow down the road roller

[winged crest]

Fucking thx phone

[vocal valve]

so does that mean his time stop movement/ability just somehow got better during his like sheer adrenaline rush?

because he uses 2 seconds to fight off the road roller

so how does he stop time for an extra 2 seconds after the road roller supposedly crushes him

[lucid geyser]

Time stop means that you are able to pause everything else and interact with the world for a couple of seconds. If you have a time stop ability and someone else is stopping time, then you are conscious during the other's time stop but you aren't able to interact with anything yet. It's only possible to interact with the world for a certain period of time when you activate your time stop ability. Hopefully this clears it up

[lucid geyser]

you can activate time stop multiple times if there's some cooldown time between them

[winged crest]

Some time being an unspecified number of seconds

[lucid geyser]

yeah

[wintry rampart]

So uh

[near star]

@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[wintry rampart]

What are you talking about?

[lucid geyser]

jotaro found a way to stay safe below the road roller (probably by punching the road roller such that there was a tiny space in which he isn't crushed, but that's just my speculation) and waited until dio's time stop was finished

it was only at that point when he activated his time stop such that he would be able to beat up dio while dio was still in his cooldown period

[lucid geyser]

road roller scene

[wintry rampart]

Oh

Whats the deal?

[untold creek]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-the-world-rage-attack-gif-13331627

[lucid geyser]

you can scroll up and read the convo yknow

[wintry rampart]

Yeah but im lazy, im asking to not do that

[vocal valve]

ok so to get this clear:
-dio stops time, 7 seconds pass
-he starts his road roller attack
-jotaro starts his time stop abilities to move within the last 2 seconds of dio's TS because dio can stop time for 9 total seconds
-jotaro's abilities have improved up to basically 4 seconds due time being stopped often and such
-9 seconds end, jotaro's last 2 seconds of time stop occur, dio is actually time stopped and doesnt realize it, jotaro uses this time to escape
-time resumes, the road roller slams into the ground, dio says ez
-dio says ez, jotaro time stops during the speech, dio uses up his movement during his speech without realizing it, he freezes
-jotaro proceeds to whoop his ass

is this correct?

[untold creek]

The jojo ova looks like what the history teacher puts as a history animated video when they dont want to teach

[wintry rampart]

Yup

[winged crest]

No

[wintry rampart]

What is wrong?

[winged crest]

DIO used up his time stop with the road roller scene

[wintry rampart]

Yeah

As he said

[winged crest]

He didn't have time stop when Jotaro stopped time

That's not what he said

[wintry rampart]

Yes he did

[vocal valve]

thats what i said lol

[winged crest]

"DIO uses up his movement during the speech"

This is wrong

[vocal valve]

he does right?

he "slows down"

time stop works by instantaneously stopping everything

[winged crest]

His time stop was used up on the road roller scene

[vocal valve]

"slowing down" shows his movement ran out

just like when jotaro ends his time stop movement he slows down into a frozen position

[wintry rampart]

Yeah

[vocal valve]

its not a video game

hes not on cooldown or something

[wintry rampart]

But erik is also correct

[vocal valve]

he's just had his adrenaline rush

and after he thought jotaro died

it ended

[winged crest]

He motherfucking is

[wintry rampart]

Right before the road roller crushes jotaro he stops time

[lucid geyser]

well, that's how it works in jojo

[winged crest]

Wait, he does?

[wintry rampart]

Yeah but only in some cases

[winged crest]

Did I forgot a scene

[wintry rampart]

He expressly says that

[winged crest]

All of them

[wintry rampart]

He says "i stopped time at the nine second mark, thats how i escaped"

[wintry rampart]

Not all stand abilities have cooldown

[winged crest]

I'm talking about all instances of time stop

[vocal valve]

i think the misconception of "cooldown" is mostly due to make the plot actually fun to read and not just see the words "za warudo" on the page/screen 10 times every minute

[wintry rampart]

But i wasnt

[winged crest]

Oh for fucks stupid sake

[vocal valve]

like for example emerald splash doesnt really have a "cooldown"

[winged crest]

Not the same stand

[vocal valve]

if he wants to use it faster he can

[lucid geyser]

i cant spoil anything but im just going to say that the time stop cooldown is 100% confirmed in a later part

[vocal valve]

obviously he cant use it forever

because it still uses energy

[wintry rampart]

Yeah but stoppin time does have a cooldown, if there wasnt a cooldown dio could have stop time right away when it ended

[winged crest]

I think I forgot a scene in between time stops somewhere

[vocal valve]

alright ill assume that theres some cooldown however i dont think the cooldown has like a strict length of time

if the person is more energized or desperate or angry or whatever

they can use it more often

[lucid geyser]

time was stopped while dio was muda mudaing the road roller and jotaro was ora oraing back @winged crest

[vocal valve]

and i mean dio seemed pretty damn energized after sucking josephs blood

[winged crest]

Did it resume when Jotaro was "crushed"?

[wintry rampart]

Yeah but that only made his time stop more powerful

[near star]

@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

[untold creek]

Sucking blood literally gave him a haircut

[vocal valve]

yeah

[lucid geyser]

no because i remember dio asking himself for how much longer he can stop time after it landed

or something like that

[winged crest]

I gotta rewatch the fucking show

[vocal valve]

same

i think i have some things wrong but

at least i understand it more

i guess its hard to understand this kinda stuff cuz

time stop is not really used a lot

nor is it explained a lot

[vocal valve]

its only used in like a few episodes of p3

and then not much complex usage of it happens in later parts

[wintry rampart]

Yeah

[lucid geyser]

it's pretty clear to me 🤷

[vocal valve]

i mean

[wintry rampart]

Same

[vocal valve]

at surface level

it is

its just the ability to let time flow only for you

while everybody is stopped at a specific point in time

but then complex things arise when two people can do that

[lucid geyser]

other time stop users will still perceive the passage of time

they're still able to observe everything

[vocal valve]

ik but im talking about the road roller scene in particular

[near star]

@vocal valve, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[lucid geyser]

and when they activate their ability, they'll be able to interact with the world as well

[vocal valve]

like who the one using time stop at what point during that scene is hard to figure out

especially after jotaro seems to be "crushed"

[wintry rampart]

Its not that hard

[vocal valve]

well for a simpleton like me it was

but i understand it better now

[wintry rampart]

Ok

[vocal valve]

thx guys

[winged crest]

This is what happens when you start memorizing scenes from an anime movie, you forget shit

[wintry rampart]

I dont understand why a lot of people ask why star platinum also can stop time

[wintry rampart]

I have to rewatch it too

[winged crest]

Because they don't think about it

[wintry rampart]

Yeah, true

Like, Jonathan and Joseph have similar stands, and also the D'arby brothers

[winged crest]

Jonathan's stand and Joseph's stand are the exact same ability

Well slightly different activation

[wintry rampart]

Yeah

[winged crest]

Don't mention future part stuff

[wintry rampart]

K

[vocal valve]

people ask that?

[wintry rampart]

I've talked with a few

[vocal valve]

i think the only reason why some people would ask that is because they think stand abilities are always unique to a person

[wintry rampart]

Yeah

[vocal valve]

which to be fair they kind of are but its not exactly true

they just happen to have many different abilities

but its not a rule that they cant have similar if not the same abilities

[wintry rampart]

Exactly

[frosty cradle]

"wHy DiDn'T DIO uSe WoRlD FiNgEr?!?!"

delete

future name'

[wintry rampart]

Yeah

[frosty cradle]

pls and ty

[wintry rampart]

A better example are the stands of the d'arby brothers

Or Jonathan's stand and hermit purple

[frosty cradle]

could you delete please

[wintry rampart]

Yeah but it actually makes sense

Like, Dio had a long time to develop his ability

But jotaro got his ability a month and a half ago

He just developed it bc he was in need

[vocal valve]

oh shit my bad

[wintry rampart]

Well, not in need, more like cornered

[near star]

@wintry rampart, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[vocal valve]

i mean to be fair

doesnt star platinum have higher development potential?

i might be wrong

but i remember his is A and dio's is B?

i dont know

[frosty cradle]

still cant say it even in spoiler tagds

[vocal valve]

oh i didnt know sry

[frosty cradle]

iss ok

[wintry rampart]

Yeah but bc he could stop time for a long period like dio but he stopped using it

Yeah i also thought "wtf" the first time i watched it

[vocal valve]

oh ok

i'll do that next time

sry

i joined like an hour ago lmao

[wintry rampart]

Same

[lucid geyser]

@vocal valve @winged crest
Yo, I rewatched the road roller scene and summarized what has exactly happened in the following timeline. I'm basing this timeline off of DIO screaming how many seconds have passed and some of the comments that Jotaro made during his time stop. The two bits of educated guesses that I made are accompanied by the word 'presumably', but everything else is based on direct evidence in the scene.
0 seconds: ZA WARUDO!
0-7 seconds: DIO flies away, finds a random road roller and hurls it onto jotaro, you know the thing.
7 seconds: Jotaro activates time stop.
7-8 seconds: ORA ORA MUDA MUDA!
8 seconds: DIO throws his last punch onto the road roller and it lands on the ground while Jotaro simultaneously ends his time stop. Jotaro was presumably able to punch the road roller in such a shape that he wasn't totally crushed it.
9 seconds: Jotaro stops time again and escapes the road roller.
9-10 seconds: The period of Jotaro's second time stop is presumably short (1 second or less), considering the cooldown and the fact that he stops time at a later point again.
9-11 seconds: DIO is doing his little speech on how nobody can surpass him. Near the end of this period, he notices that he is losing the ability to move his body. Za warudo's time stop of 11 seconds has now ended.
11 seconds: Jotaro stops time for the third time, gives a badass speech and ORA ORAs the shit out of DIO in under one second. Time resumes and one of the most epic battles in shonen manga continues.

[vocal valve]

basically what i said but probably a bit more accurate

so yeah

thanks

[lucid geyser]

I think that the main cause behind branfron's confusion was the assumption that Jotaro stopped time for 2 seconds in each instance, which wasn't the case as he's able to (and chose to) stop time for a shorter period of time. The tactical advantage in this is that it allows Jotaro to stop time again at an earlier point in time.

[lucid geyser]

You're welcome!

[lucid geyser]

Not exactly, the bit about jotaro being able to stop time for 4 seconds for example was false.

and time doesn't resume until after jotaro ora oras dio

[junior garnet]

Jotaro didn't stop time 3 times during the final exchange. If he did that would mean the cool down on the ability is mere seconds

It's well-established through the fight that Jotaro can move in 2 seconds of DIO's time stops.

So when DIO gets to 7 seconds, Jotaro is able to move for the next two seconds, so he can move up through 9 seconds.

He then stops time the moment DIO's 9 seconds are up (which he directly states), and DIO, seeing the world still frozen around him, assumes his time stop has gotten longer (it hasn't)

He's able to move for 2 seconds of Jotaro's time stop, just as Jotaro is able to move for 2 seconds of his.

Once DIO can no longer move, Jotaro reveals his secret and goes on the attack.