jojolion

[alpine trench]

The most powerful entity is all of Jojo, capable of moving the very own rules of fate, the final and most powerful antagonist any jojo has ever seen.
Bubble appears, dies

[junior coral]

That is why it is natural

[tame plover]

Small string appears, dies

[junior coral]

Nature cannot have willpower

[minor ore]

no willpower but it still acts I think

[junior coral]

You are wrong

That is literally how life works

[alpine trench]

Literally nothing appears, Dies

[junior coral]

Nature cannot "act"

To "act" implies there to be "willpower"

[tranquil flax]

Technically animals are nature so they can act

[alpine trench]

That makes no sense Greeny

[junior coral]

They are living

As are we

Forces of nature

[clear hemlock]

greeny thinks they are a mentor in jojo rn

[junior coral]

natural phenomenons

[tranquil flax]

Well you do need some degree of sentience to act

[junior coral]

cannot "act"

[clear hemlock]

like gyro teaching johnny

[junior coral]

no shit

[minor ore]

hahah

[junior coral]

A tidal wave, an earthquake, a thunderstorm, are all forces of nature

there is no "action"

[minor ore]

lesson 6: nature cannot act

[alpine trench]

That's why he is the Grinch

[clear hemlock]

listen up johnny!

[junior coral]

Did you pass 4th grade?

[minor ore]

no, but universy 🙂

[junior coral]

Universy

[minor ore]

funny grammar mistake

[junior coral]

Mhm

And somehow you "think" that natural phenomenon can "act"

[clear hemlock]

if nature doesn't act then it would be still

right

[minor ore]

exactly

[junior coral]

Nature just is

[minor ore]

you're just taking it to literally

[junior coral]

To act implies there to be willpower

Calamity is not an action, no one is willing it so

[clear hemlock]

action doesn't need willpower it's just there

[minor ore]

he got it

[clear hemlock]

calamity is a force affecting actions

[junior coral]

It is a force

[minor ore]

force=action

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 9 !

[junior coral]

The calamity itself is not an action

It is a phenomenon

Nothing wills it so

It just is

[minor ore]

GER is still the strongest ability in fiction, I will die on that hill

[junior coral]

You're biased then lol

You admit

[minor ore]

no

[clear hemlock]

yes, especially to non-jojo characters

[junior coral]

You just admitted you will die on that hill 😂

[crisp solstice]

the tidal waves are not really an act of nature, but simply the result of gravitational pulls

[minor ore]

because the ability itself says it can redact everything that causes the user harm

[junior coral]

no mate

[clear hemlock]

only way that GER is defeated is from giorno dying of old age

[junior coral]

mf

[junior coral]

When is that said

Anything that causes him harm at all?

Show me that line in the manga

[crisp solstice]

omnipotent characters:

[junior coral]

The description of the ability is "Gold Experience Requiem's ultimate ability is to revert actions and willpower directed against Giorno back to the state of "zero", completely nullifying them and preventing them from becoming "real"."

[minor ore]

its how its presented

you dont have to take everything literally

[junior coral]

A tidal wave hitting Giorno is not an action against him

[clear hemlock]

giorno didn't even die in the series

the universe reset

[junior coral]

Giorno being struck by lightning is not an act against him

Giorno being affected by the flow of calamity is not an act against him

[minor ore]

its is by nature

[junior coral]

Nature does not have willpower

It cannot act against someone with intent

[minor ore]

we are moving in a circle lol

[junior coral]

Read JoJolion again

[crisp solstice]

rain is not an action born from soul or mind

[junior coral]

No, you're refusing to move from your fucking spot

[clear hemlock]

yeah but he could defeat wou easier

[minor ore]

rohan style

rohan kishibe does not move

[junior coral]

Saying "no" in an argument doesn't get you anywhere numbnuts

[crisp solstice]

maybe we should end this debate

[clear hemlock]

since dododo da debada can't attack him

[crisp solstice]

it is kind of useless

[minor ore]

calm down buckaroo

[clear hemlock]

no

[crisp solstice]

MUDA

[ocean dirge]

ora

[crisp solstice]

Tommy Gun:

[junior coral]

Wonder of U's ability can activate if you have the slightest intent to pursue him

Nature cannot pursue, it has no willpower to harm

[crisp solstice]

Wonder of U activates when you see him as well

[junior coral]

How is this really what we are discussing right now?

[minor ore]

I think it only activated if u have ill will against him

*activates

[junior coral]

Correct

[crisp solstice]

Mitsuba was simply cutting vegetables

[minor ore]

kato faired well against him until she fucked up

[crisp solstice]

she got her fingers cut when she saw WOU

also, the jail mate of Rai

[minor ore]

because she was scared and then had ill will against the intrudr

[junior coral]

Do you see what i mean? Kaato used the disease to kill Tooru. A disease which is not an act, but another force of nature

[clear hemlock]

didn't she have the intent to go outside and see why he was there

[junior coral]

All she did was bring her grandson out into the day and let him touch Tooru, and he died to the Rock Disease

[clear hemlock]

he as in the head doctor

[minor ore]

yeah but in my opinion GER can revert forces of nature
thats just my opinion, how I think GER works, even though it wasnt directly stated

[crisp solstice]

@minor ore @junior coral with little info we have of GER it is free for interpretation

let's stop the debate

[minor ore]

most based dude here

[crisp solstice]

haha

[clear hemlock]

i think GER is any harm against gio

[junior coral]

So you're inserting your own headcanon into a debate?

[crisp solstice]

WOU does activate however when you simply see it

[junior coral]

Good to know

[minor ore]

some things dont have to be directly stated

like jotaros character development off-screen

[clear hemlock]

but either way in a fight against any other anime character, giorno wins

[junior coral]

But in an argument you don't get to use your own headcanon as evidence

[minor ore]

between part 3 and 4

[junior coral]

lmfao

[minor ore]

aight then, very boring discussions then

[clear hemlock]

unless the fight lasts 80 years and he dies of age, giorno will win

[junior coral]

We are having a debate and you bring your own headcanon in as "evidence"

that's some bullshit

😂

[crisp solstice]

with anime characters, yes

[minor ore]

not really headcanon in my opnion but aight

[junior coral]

By definition it is

[minor ore]

lines can be interpreted differenty

[clear hemlock]

can GER still make life is the question

[minor ore]

yes

see scorpions

[crisp solstice]

scorpions

CR could probably fight with sword if he had one

[clear hemlock]

chariot requiem?

[crisp solstice]

yes

[minor ore]

chariot strongest stand because he yeeted polnareff in a wheelchair

[crisp solstice]

lmao

[minor ore]

that theme when reqiuem first appeared was hype af man

[crisp solstice]

yet Silver Chariot couldn't pull Polnareff with injured legs

in Vanilla Ice fight

[minor ore]

he became stronger

over time

only explanation haha

[crisp solstice]

for real

[minor ore]

because otherwise it would make no sense

[crisp solstice]

yea

perhaps with lost legs it was BASE silver chariot

[minor ore]

If you think about it, part 5 was the first mention of parallel universes, 6 went a step futher and 7 cemented the concept

[tranquil flax]

What the fuck are you guys discussing now

[junior coral]

In a debate, you back your opinions up with logic

And facts

Which you have none of

[tranquil flax]

Part 5 didn’t have a parallel universe

[junior coral]

Inserting your own headcanon and interpretation to use as "facts" isn't how you fucking have a discussion

[tranquil flax]

Part 6 was the first mention of the idea

[minor ore]

chariot requiems true ability

[crisp solstice]

also with Part 5 stands became more godlike

[kind owl]

@crisp solstice, Your Stand Rank is now level 8 !

[crisp solstice]

GER, MIH, TUSK, D4C, WOU

[tranquil flax]

Chariot requiem’s ability didn’t deal with parallel universes, I’m sure

[junior coral]

of course the fuck it didn't

[crisp solstice]

it wasn't CR's ability but non stand users did start fusing with beings of other dimensions

else how to describe such eldritch monstrocity

[junior coral]

Nope

[minor ore]

Chariot Requiem's true ability is complete control of the "souls of all living beings."[11] With enough time, the Stand will begin to transform souls affected by its ability into the souls of unidentifiable, otherworldly beings, causing horrifying mutations.

"otherworldy"

[alpine trench]

[tranquil flax]

The otherworldly refers to like
Supernatural

[junior coral]

Otherworldly is a fucking figure of speech

[minor ore]

exacgtly

[tranquil flax]

As ghosts and stuff are confirmed to exist in JoJo

[junior coral]

Oh my GOD

They are not beings from another dimension

They are mutations

[tranquil flax]

Or ghosts

[junior coral]

"Otherworldly" is a figure of fucking speech

[alpine trench]

"They are according to my fanfiction"

[junior coral]

In my headcanon CR can pull beings from alternate universes and merge them with living beings 🤓

It's just my interpretation 🤓

[tranquil flax]

Chill man

[crisp solstice]

damn you salty

[junior coral]

Have you met me?

[tranquil flax]

His whole job is being salty lmaooo

[crisp solstice]

lmao

[tranquil flax]

But you’re wrong

[crisp solstice]

alright

but he is most likely correct

it could have been a figure of speech

[minor ore]

but does earth inhibit beings that have alien-like eyes?

[junior coral]

It is a mutation

[minor ore]

alien like mutation through a stand

[junior coral]

Yep

From another fucking dimension though?

No chance

[tranquil flax]

It’s messing with souls innit

[minor ore]

true

stands themselves were originally from another planet after all

[crisp solstice]

I think Stands are inherent to the universe like mass of objects

[tranquil flax]

There are some born stand users though

I forgor where it said but aren’t stands like… a really evolved version of hamon

[minor ore]

that would be hermit purple

[crisp solstice]

it was an initial idea

[minor ore]

thats what jojolion is all about

I wonder how the the characters in part 9 get their stands

[crisp solstice]

the stand arrows were forged from meteorite with virus. but the virus causes sickness and eventually death for anyone who makes contact with it and is not compatible with virus. normally it is not reasonable to say that virus is transferred to people or through bloodline or we can see a lot of people dead before making birth to natural stand users

[minor ore]

I still think the arrows were the coolest way to aquire such power

[crisp solstice]

Jesus Christ in meanwhile:

[crisp solstice]

so Stands are not born from virus instead it forcefully evolves people into having stands

[minor ore]

the virus could act like a recessive allele like in hereditary diseases tho

would explain why kakyoin got a stand but his parents didnt

that whole "natural born-stand" makes no real sense to me

like logically

the virus is the only thing that makes sense plotwise

[crisp solstice]

it is absurd however

[minor ore]

why

[crisp solstice]

stands, a metaphysical concept being born from virus

[minor ore]

jesus the OG stand user

[minor ore]

alien virus

my head canon is that mikitaka originated from that stand planet and thats why the arrow didnt work on him lol

[crisp solstice]

but the virus is always active

how it would be inactive in some people

[crisp solstice]

perhaps

[minor ore]

do you know how hereditary diseases work?

[crisp solstice]

but he didn't see stands

[minor ore]

they only sometimes break out

[crisp solstice]

like at all

[minor ore]

maybe he was capping 😄

he was a big troll after all

[crisp solstice]

he was

kind of very hard to read

[minor ore]

thats whats so fun about his character

[crisp solstice]

you are never certain in JoJos

[minor ore]

u constantly have to think if hes real or just nuts

yeah haha

[crisp solstice]

I like it as well

Stands I think are the same in this way

you are never certain

[minor ore]

in which regard

[crisp solstice]

Stands are said as manifestation of fighting spirit

[minor ore]

yes

[crisp solstice]

yet there are stands not based on combat at all

like Tonio's

or Aya's

[minor ore]

fighting spirit/will

[crisp solstice]

or even Hermit Purple

[minor ore]

a persons character

[crisp solstice]

those stands I mentioned are manifestation of their skill and their belief

[minor ore]

like ciocciolatta
he was a rotten person, so was his stand

[crisp solstice]

not necessarily character tho

[crisp solstice]

good one

[minor ore]

thats what I love about the stands, they are really good at reflecting their users

[crisp solstice]

but Hermit Purple is visual manifestation of Hamon energy

[minor ore]

giorno is a kind soul, thats why he creates life

[crisp solstice]

he inspires Bruno

inspire has common root with life

[minor ore]

yea

kiras stand leaves no traces because thats how he can act on his urges with no repercussions

[crisp solstice]

Killer Queen actually describes Kira super well

[minor ore]

lol

[crisp solstice]

it can be interpreted that way

[minor ore]

also his cleanliness and OCD

[crisp solstice]

but KQ can be a manifestation of Kira's nature, one that hides his urges yet releases them at one moment

[crisp solstice]

YEAH

[minor ore]

thats true aswell

[crisp solstice]

https://jojowiki.com/JOJOVELLER/Commentaries

this one is useful

[minor ore]

funniest thing is how purple haze has OCD, genius paradoxon haha

[crisp solstice]

for real

really liked that

Stands are really hard to generalize

like say Superfly

[minor ore]

or how echoes act 3 constantly curses, because act 3 is the weight of words

[crisp solstice]

or Anubis

[crisp solstice]

Koichi's true nature

[minor ore]

haahah

he da pimp

lets kill da ho

[crisp solstice]

BEETCH

[minor ore]

my man koichi mvp of part 4

emporio is mvp of part 6

[crisp solstice]

true

shorties do carry the team

except Anne

Hey Ya! : A Stand that only gives Pocoloco more courage, right? It doesn't really do anything. It doesn't make you lucky, but it can help you feel more optimistic.

This content comes from JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia (https://jojowiki.com), and must be attributed to its authors, as specified in the license.
JoJo's Bizarre Wiki (the FANDOM wiki) is prohibited from using it, for repeatedly copying without giving credit.

[crisp solstice]

so it was a lie

I thought Hey Ya was manifestation of Pocoloco's supernatural luck

[minor ore]

no

always has been just a good fellow to have around haha

[crisp solstice]

so Hey Ya is manifestation of his confidence?

[minor ore]

yes

[crisp solstice]

awesome

[minor ore]

and happy go lucky nature

thats why he won the race

[crisp solstice]

I see, Araki says that confidence in yourself and going with the flow is the right path

[minor ore]

its really poetic if u think about it
being optimistic -> leads to good things, like winning the sbr

yes

[crisp solstice]

it does

[minor ore]

all parts basically

[crisp solstice]

yep

[minor ore]

also believing in humanity

in a heart of justice

[crisp solstice]

yep

Ball Breaker: A visualization of the energy of Gyro's steel balls, breaking through dimensions. The art of the steel balls also ultimately turns into a Stand ability. I made this Stand appear to explain that.

This content comes from JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia (https://jojowiki.com), and must be attributed to its authors, as specified in the license.
JoJo's Bizarre Wiki (the FANDOM wiki) is prohibited from using it, for repeatedly copying without giving credit.

[minor ore]

"I'd say living with a positive outlook is the theme of JoJo. It's a celebration of humanity."
best quote from araki

[crisp solstice]

Ball Breaker is not Gyro's stand, but of his balls

[crisp solstice]

I agree

[minor ore]

yeah

its like hermit purple and hamon

[crisp solstice]

my balls have the stand

lmao

[minor ore]

hahaha

gotta break them then

[crisp solstice]

Ball Breaker!

[minor ore]

wrecking balls

wekapipo is goated

[crisp solstice]

YES

[minor ore]

dude gyro blinding his sis

sad af

that tennis game analogy tho

araki never misses with his metaphors

[crisp solstice]

real life basically

[minor ore]

yea

[crisp solstice]

Napkins

[minor ore]

its all fate and luck

[minor ore]

I have taken the first

[crisp solstice]

and praying for good

[minor ore]

sbr ending

[crisp solstice]

post sbr ending- big sad

[minor ore]

johnny and rena were cute af man

[crisp solstice]

yeah

[minor ore]

how he fed her the strawberries

my man grew up

[minor ore]

very big

[crisp solstice]

now Josuke needs to feed Yasuho

with good cake

[minor ore]

joshu and yasuho OTP

jk

[crisp solstice]

lmao

I love Joshu

[minor ore]

he is well written

but annoying af

he is funny tho

[crisp solstice]

that's the point

[minor ore]

time to measure some fish sausages

[crisp solstice]

lol

[minor ore]

yeah

[crisp solstice]

ahahah

I loved that one

[minor ore]

or how he rent that cinema

the seats besides him

who does that

only an incel

[crisp solstice]

what an ass

so interesting

I would probably do so too just to have people far from me

[minor ore]

why haha

antisocial?

introverted

[crisp solstice]

peaceful

[minor ore]

I see

there are annoying peeps sometimes thats true

[crisp solstice]

some chew right behind your ear

or talk during the good movie

or babies crying

[minor ore]

chew

what a beautiful duwang

[crisp solstice]

what a beautiful duwang

[minor ore]

hahaha

get a feeling so complicated

[crisp solstice]

two sides of the same braincell

[minor ore]

true hahah

i am wood stupid

[crisp solstice]

and me lazy and unmotivated af

[minor ore]

you need some hey ya in ur life man

that would be a great stand tbh

[crisp solstice]

for real tho

[minor ore]

underrated

antidepressants, the stand

[crisp solstice]

when I was depressed I asked for Gyro lol

[minor ore]

gyro would be the best friend to have in life

[crisp solstice]

my friend said: damn you selfish that is too high bar

[crisp solstice]

+++

Okuyasu would be awesome too

[minor ore]

all jobros

[crisp solstice]

yep

Killua as well

[minor ore]

and gon

[crisp solstice]

Leorio

[minor ore]

gon is kinda like gyro in that dynamic

kurapika

all 4, very great dynamic

[crisp solstice]

true!

[minor ore]

man I had tears in my eyes when that last ending showed up

that picture

of them 4

[crisp solstice]

Guts and Puck, unlikely wholesome duo

[minor ore]

haha yeah

[crisp solstice]

that was really bittersweet

[minor ore]

But I have to say the old band of the hawks >>> guts new travelling party

[crisp solstice]

nothing can fill the void in Guts's soul

[minor ore]

they did tho

[crisp solstice]

but this party is good enough

[minor ore]

guts thought he would never have companions again

[crisp solstice]

filling the void

[minor ore]

ya

[crisp solstice]

but the anger and sadness yet remain

forever

[minor ore]

the beast of darkness

man berserk is sth else

[crisp solstice]

true

[minor ore]

thats such a good representation

[crisp solstice]

best life documentary

[minor ore]

of the demon inside us

[crisp solstice]

I remember the quote from Guts to little girl in Lost Children arc

[minor ore]

kaiji tho

[crisp solstice]

this one too

life is multifaceted

[minor ore]

the metaphor were they walked on the bars was powerful af

[crisp solstice]

it is inevitable Berserk would miss some sides

[crisp solstice]

I don't remember exactly

gotta watch sometime

[minor ore]

yeah

the OG squid game haha

[crisp solstice]

ahhah

I can see that

Oddly

[minor ore]

squid game straight up copied the game

the last one

[crisp solstice]

I found more wisdom in JoJo than Naruto

[crisp solstice]

shameless

[minor ore]

same
but naruto is also very underrated philosophically

[crisp solstice]

yeah

it is

and Pain is probably not wrong

it is a matter if you do accept such idea

[minor ore]

in the real world he is right

but people should act more like naruto

[crisp solstice]

correct

it is better this way

[minor ore]

even though it will bite them in their asses

[crisp solstice]

I wouldn't really blame people like Pain tho

[minor ore]

hm

I would

[crisp solstice]

though their actions are not justified

else Valentine is right

[minor ore]

no matter what you went through, u shouldnt make others suffer for it

[crisp solstice]

the truth

[minor ore]

theyre innocent

[crisp solstice]

yes

I found some wisdom back in Part 4

when Kira said that presumptions are more terrifying than anything else

nothing is scarier to assume something is true when it is not and bites your ass

[minor ore]

when did he say that

[crisp solstice]

right before bubble slips through and explodes on Josuke's face

[minor ore]

ah yes

I found wisdom when jotaro said josuke sounded like rain

[crisp solstice]

ahaahha

found inner peace

lol

[minor ore]

hahah yes

part 5 was very important to me

the whole stoicism stuff

accepting things u cant change

[crisp solstice]

I think so too

[minor ore]

berserk is also about that

but also the opposite

fighting against fate

[crisp solstice]

sometimes (no, most of the time) things are not in your control, ever

[minor ore]

good paradox

*causality

skull knight has entered the chat

[crisp solstice]

best works cover all sides of argument

[minor ore]

yea

naruto wasnt naive in that way, it was just a depiction of humantarian philosophy

[crisp solstice]

yeah

I didn't correctly explain my thoughts

[minor ore]

it alright

the ending was beautiful man

generally naruto vs sasuke was goated

[crisp solstice]

it was

what a journey it was

[minor ore]

also the game storm 4 made it even better

yeah

[crisp solstice]

I saw that!

[minor ore]

nice

[crisp solstice]

SBR tho

[minor ore]

I loved the flashback when they were fighting as kids

[crisp solstice]

art

[minor ore]

same in the anime with obito and kakashi

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 10 !

[crisp solstice]

yep

[minor ore]

lesson 5 fucked me up

[crisp solstice]

Naruto was really good at emotional narrative

[crisp solstice]

oh my god

It was sad

[minor ore]

exactly

[crisp solstice]

I was broken at Johnny's dad returning to apologize

[minor ore]

if you think about it, gyros lesson 5 was about the whole parts

part

[crisp solstice]

it is

Part 7 was basically a goodbye to old JoJos

[junior coral]

What

You mean Part 6

Part 7 has nothing to do with old JoJo’s

[crisp solstice]

Part 6 is a goodbye to old JoJoverse

[minor ore]

mr salty is back

[junior coral]

[crisp solstice]

Part 7 for me was goodbye to the stuff like Joestar Brando rivalry and Zeppeli's tradition

[minor ore]

[junior coral]

I guess

No you don’t understand, Rai is a Seppeli! 🤣

[crisp solstice]

cause Part 8 and 9 won't return to these roots

[junior coral]

Says who

[tame plover]

nah

[crisp solstice]

bruh waht

[junior coral]

Part 8 references tons of old jojo sfuff

What are you on about

[minor ore]

but no DIO

[tame plover]

hats

Kira

[crisp solstice]

you don't decide what it means to me

[tame plover]

KQ

[minor ore]

the first part without dio

[tame plover]

Josefumi look

crazy diamond graffiti

Morioh

[crisp solstice]

those are loose references

[kind owl]

@crisp solstice, Your Stand Rank is now level 9 !

[tame plover]

Higashikatas

[junior coral]

“Loose”

[crisp solstice]

bruh

[junior coral]

Literally takes place in Morioh

Has Yoshikage Kira and Killer Queen

[tame plover]

How are they loose

[junior coral]

A Hirose

[crisp solstice]

this Morioh is different

[tame plover]

mc called josuke

[junior coral]

Josuke Higashikata three different times

that’s loose to you?

[tame plover]

joseph

[crisp solstice]

YES

it is loose

[tame plover]

his hermit purple

[junior coral]

😂😂

[crisp solstice]

dumbass

[tame plover]

bruh

[junior coral]

What is “loose” about that compared to Part 7

They have the same amount of references, if at all

Part 8 starts with narration from a Hirose before they meet a Joestar

[tame plover]

(jojolion prob has more references)

[crisp solstice]

it is not about the amount of references

[junior coral]

And so what makes Part 8’s “loose”?

I think it’s pretty direct

[tame plover]

rather direct

[junior coral]

A loose reference is comparing Diavolo/Doppio to Satoru/Tooru

That’s loose

[crisp solstice]

not a high bar

way too loose

[junior coral]

It’s pretty fucking direct when there’s a Yoshikage Kira with the same Stand Killer Queen

Three Josuke Higashikata

A Tomoko Higashikata

A Hirose

A Nijimura

[tame plover]

well kiiller queen is different

[junior coral]

Who follows the same naming scheme as Okuyasu and Keicho

[tame plover]

Part takes place in Morioh

[junior coral]

Let’s see what else

Morioh town in general

Similar named locations

[crisp solstice]

didn't give birth to Josuke, born from soil

they are namesakes

[junior coral]

She gave birth to Josuke Higashikata, birth name of Norisuke IV

[tame plover]

Holly

[crisp solstice]

they don't inherit character traits

[junior coral]

😂

[crisp solstice]

bruh lose

r

[minor ore]

your laughing emoji is toxic af mate

[junior coral]

And what character traits do Part 7 characters inherit?

[junior coral]

Yes that’s the only toxic part

My bad

😪

[tame plover]

Diego is like

[crisp solstice]

none

[tame plover]

DIO

[junior coral]

LMAO?

[tame plover]

and Johnny.. he

is a joestar

[junior coral]

So part 7’s are pretty loose

[minor ore]

nah, you're pretty toxic overall haha

[junior coral]

Barely any similar character traits

[crisp solstice]

Johnny is nothing like Jonathan

[junior coral]

What led you to that discovery, Einstein

[crisp solstice]

Gyro is nothing like Ceasar or Will

[junior coral]

So tell me why you brought up similar character traits?

[tame plover]

Name the none loose references in part 7 then

It seems you are saying there aren't any

[junior coral]

There’s even a Tonio’s Italian restaurant in part 8

Mentioned in the background

How’s that for “loose”

🤣🤣

[crisp solstice]

bruh you dumb af

[tame plover]

oh also the weird off friend thats get an arc with a hair stand

But that's more loose

[junior coral]

YOU DONT EVEN GET YOUR OWN POINT BRUH 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[crisp solstice]

completely missed the point just to make fun of me

[tame plover]

You don't have a point bruh

[crisp solstice]

nah you just don't listen

[tame plover]

You say jojolion only has loose references

[crisp solstice]

why bother explaining to loser like you

[tame plover]

But you don't name any solid ones for sbr

[tame plover]

list them

cmon

I'll listen

[junior coral]

“Part 8 won’t return to those roots”

You mean the roots of old jojo parts

And the references I just listed off to you

And somehow I missed the point?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tame plover]

This guy can't accept they are wrong.

[minor ore]

yikes

[junior coral]

Rage quit again

Sad!

[crisp solstice]

ok toxic

[toxic scaffold]

damn

[junior coral]

😭😭

You got me there

Wahhhhhh 😭😭

[tame plover]

Bailing "You juSAT don?t get it!!1111""

[crisp solstice]

and?

[junior coral]

🤓

[tame plover]

You haven't explained crap

[minor ore]

peak discord moment

[tame plover]

You have a point not backed up

at all

[junior coral]

“You just have to accept that I’m right without me explaining otherwise you’re a loser”

😳

‼️‼️‼️

[tame plover]

😳

[junior coral]

We got a master debater in chat today ‼️‼️

[minor ore]

how old are you greeny?

[tame plover]

😔 Didn't know

[junior coral]

Six and a half

[minor ore]

figures

[tame plover]

sorry I accept your correct

[junior coral]

Turning seven in free days

[tame plover]

yoo

really?

[junior coral]

Yes!

[tame plover]

Niceee

[crisp solstice]

bruh you got it completely wrong

[junior coral]

Care to elaborate?

Or are we just going to keep playing this game?

[crisp solstice]

you are simply trying to make fun of me cause I made a mistake

most toxic people I have seen bruh

[tame plover]

What if

[junior coral]

I’m making fun of you because you don’t want to admit you’re wrong

[tame plover]

you fix your mistake

and name your proof

[crisp solstice]

I got ti

[junior coral]

😓

Tough!

[crisp solstice]

you are not stopping

[junior coral]

Neither are you 😢

[tame plover]

😩

[crisp solstice]

I am trying to reason with you

[tame plover]

😔 😔 😔 😔

[minor ore]

dont feed em

[crisp solstice]

i am not gonna

[minor ore]

theres no reasoning with idiots

[junior coral]

“You’re toxic”

That’s some reasoning there bud

[crisp solstice]

bruh

[junior coral]

🥶🥶🥶

[tame plover]

You can't possibly agree with his baseless point

[crisp solstice]

bruh

[tame plover]

🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦

[junior coral]

Ging just doesn’t like me because they were wrong about Calamity or some shit

[crisp solstice]

if you don't see it doesn't mean it is baseless

[junior coral]

Pre-conceived Greeny bias

[minor ore]

nah

[junior coral]

Unreal

[crisp solstice]

not everything is objective

if you fail to see that

[minor ore]

I just dont like toxic behaviour

[tame plover]

You have named shit

You just said

That's how it is

0 proof

[junior coral]

Sad

[tame plover]

nada

[crisp solstice]

for ME

[tame plover]

Nor any counterpoints

at all

nada

[crisp solstice]

ain't gonna judge my own perception

[junior coral]

Yeah i just struck the flaw in your logic

No need to piss your pants

[crisp solstice]

it is not meant as something to be argued on

SBR holds importance to me

in different way

[junior coral]

Do you come onto discord to have conversations or just say whatever you want without being told otherwise?

[tame plover]

Literally wrong perception 🤓

[junior coral]

Might be easier to talk to yourself in a private DM or something since you can’t handle the debate

[crisp solstice]

literally wrong approach to life

[junior coral]

Whatever homie

[crisp solstice]

it is not a debate

[tame plover]

Being correct is a wrong way to approach life?

[crisp solstice]

does it have to be a debate

burh

[crisp solstice]

hah

being correct?

is it that important to you?

[junior coral]

Yeah mate you said SBR is the end of jojo traditions? A goodbye to the old JoJo’s? And I asked how… and provided a counter

[kind owl]

@junior coral, Your Stand Rank is now level 17 !

[tame plover]

You tried debating part 8 was only loose references

[junior coral]

You can be wrong it’s okay!

😣

[tame plover]

which it clearly

isn't

[crisp solstice]

doesn't seem that way when you make fun of people cause you think they are wrong

[junior coral]

It’s not really a matter of opinion if the references in Part 8 are “loose”

[tame plover]

More of making fun that you are in denial

[crisp solstice]

wrong approach to conversatio

[junior coral]

I don’t make fun because you’re wrong, I make fun because you act like a little baby ☹️

[crisp solstice]

I am not in denial bruh

[tame plover]

🐤

[junior coral]

How dare anyone share a different opinion than you 😣

[crisp solstice]

your interpretation is weird af

[junior coral]

Yours is weird how about that 🤣🤣🤣

[tame plover]

anyways bye

[tame plover]

Ima go watch breakingn bad

[crisp solstice]

I didn't attack you simply because you disagree with me

it is you

[tame plover]

if anything not rule followings happens

tell me

[toxic scaffold]

just been watching this whole argument happen

[alpine trench]

Hm should I do it too?

[junior coral]

I told you why I disagree and you threw a hissy fit

🍓

[crisp solstice]

it is you attacking me cause you disagree

[tame plover]

yas

[alpine trench]

going

[crisp solstice]

where?

you provoked

I do admit that I didn't explain clear enough

that is when you started making fun of my comments

smh, what a horrible person

do you really need to prove a point?

do you really need to belittle someone out of your enjoyment?

your action is not justified

I do admit I got mad

[minor ore]

he has to, because he has nothing else to do with his life haha

[crisp solstice]

lmao

nah

don't mind it

let's move on

[minor ore]

ye

[crisp solstice]

they got me in my mistakes I admit

still pretty sadistic

[minor ore]

like we were having a nice conversation and the two of them just butted in when they saw an alledged mistake just to argue, bait and belittle someone else for their own gratification
thats peak discord incel no-life cringe energy

they could have said something productive but no

lets be negative and toxic for no reason

[crisp solstice]

don't mind it

[minor ore]

🤡

[crisp solstice]

alright

I should reread Berserk tho

read it 1 time

[minor ore]

same

will start soon

but with the ost haha

its really good

[crisp solstice]

Oh yeah

[minor ore]

the 2016 was shit but the soundtrack was amazing

that song when he first uses the berserker armor

[crisp solstice]

there is a compilation on youtube

[minor ore]

ash crow

[crisp solstice]

awesome

[minor ore]

yes

u know the song behelit from the 90s anime? really captures the eerie atmosphere of berserk

love it

[crisp solstice]

OH

Yeah I know it

[minor ore]

that song also played during the eclipse

[crisp solstice]

it really does capture Berserk well

[minor ore]

man fuck griffith

those people who think griffith unironically did nothing wrong smh

[crisp solstice]

damn, the eclipse

[minor ore]

what is wrong with them

[crisp solstice]

I dunno

but usually people who agree with antagonists do feel that the wrongdoing is justified

[minor ore]

thats true

incels for example haha

[crisp solstice]

ahaha

[minor ore]

like "women=bad"

[crisp solstice]

lol gotta stop ahha

for real

[minor ore]

there are some ppl who say caska enjoyed the rape... like bro

[crisp solstice]

or people who say they are anti-racist yet racist to white

[crisp solstice]

wtf

twisted af

[crisp solstice]

and some fake feminists

[minor ore]

honestly a lot of feminists are toxic af and not really feminist at all

[crisp solstice]

those are fake

[minor ore]

its just about their agendas but not about actually helping

[crisp solstice]

true

[minor ore]

I wonder how many people are just silently lurking in this chat without contributing anything hahaha

[crisp solstice]

ahahah

pretty scary ngl

[minor ore]

imagine those two guys from earlier watched our entire convo just to butt in at the moment one of us said sth "wrong"

funny af

[crisp solstice]

it would be funny

but I prefer to forget

[minor ore]

yeah

[crisp solstice]

like Naruto

[minor ore]

hm?

[crisp solstice]

well I mean forget the bad feeling

[minor ore]

what do you mean

[crisp solstice]

Naruto overcame his hatred/sadness

[minor ore]

ah

yea

but you cant let small things like that get to u man

[crisp solstice]

yea

[minor ore]

need to have a thicker skin in this world

[crisp solstice]

I should control himself more

[minor ore]

or u gonna perish

yes

[crisp solstice]

basically the truth of life

that's Dio's weakness as well

he couldn't control his emotions and basically failed in his plan cause of this

[minor ore]

dio just became a megalomaniac at the end of part 3

yes

he had good plans in part 6

[crisp solstice]

true

[minor ore]

well "good"

[crisp solstice]

Part 6 does expand on his character

[minor ore]

indeed

[crisp solstice]

I like how many people missed DIO's talk of peace of mind in part 3

[minor ore]

dudeeeeeeee

thats like one of my fav quotes in life

[crisp solstice]

I too think it is great

[minor ore]

it perfectly describes us humans

and our reason for living

[crisp solstice]

For real

[minor ore]

we are all egoistic

but it depends if u are "positive" or "negative" egoistic

thats what makes the difference

[crisp solstice]

basically if you don't try to harm others or is willing to?

[minor ore]

yeah, dio explains both aspects in his quote

"They live to attain peace of mind by conquering their fears and anxieties. Seeking fame, controlling others, and acquiring wealth are methods by which they attain peace of mind. Some even chose to attain peace of mind through friendships or marriage. When humans express willingness to help others, or proclaim their actions to be in the name of love or peace, their true motive is really to attain peace of mind. Attaining peace of mind is the true goal of all mankind. "

[crisp solstice]

So, Polnareff why don't you submit to me? You clearly understand you can attain the peace of mind by serving me

[crisp solstice]

I don't remember the exact quote btw

[minor ore]

yeah sth like that haha

have u read monster?

[crisp solstice]

I didn't finish it yet

[minor ore]

where r u

[crisp solstice]

ahaha

I finished first 10 chapters

[minor ore]

I see

[crisp solstice]

didn't have time then

[minor ore]

finish it before rereading berserk

that one dude who said bleach is better than monster in that other channel smh... HOW

[crisp solstice]

he seemed very toxic

[minor ore]

true

bleach fanboys be like

[crisp solstice]

ahah

I feel bad tho

Bleach was basically gone for awhile

and made an epic return

[minor ore]

BAN

KAI

[crisp solstice]

OO

I remember the trailer

[stark sigil]

Did you guys read jojolion?

[minor ore]

yeah lol

[crisp solstice]

yes

twice

[minor ore]

damn boi

why you rereading so much

[stark sigil]

What do you think about the main villain

[crisp solstice]

I think he is interesting

[flint blaze]

yall switch convo topics mad fast

[minor ore]

was interesting but a very late addition

[minor ore]

hahaha true

[crisp solstice]

not very obvious

[crisp solstice]

true dat

[minor ore]

would be cooler if you contributed sth tho instead of just creeping no front

[crisp solstice]

Alright, I think Tooru is like a very inevitable evil incarnation

[flint blaze]

i only looked in like a minute ago, and scrolled down

[minor ore]

I see nvm then

[flint blaze]

he sucks imo

[crisp solstice]

As a rock human, they don't know the same feelings and values like humans do due to their fragility and moreover non-social nature

[minor ore]

I just wanted flashback man to be a real character and not just kiras early design (prolly)

[crisp solstice]

so it is easy to understand Tooru I think

[minor ore]

also what was that bling bling baby

araki teased mysteries that were left open

thats why part 8 is so low on my ranking

[crisp solstice]

perhaps they weren't as important in the start

[minor ore]

still

[crisp solstice]

yea

[minor ore]

that doesnt make for a good story

[crisp solstice]

understandable

[crisp solstice]

I find his goal very natural too, as many people seek to leave something after them, some kind of legacy.

[minor ore]

yes

[crisp solstice]

Ironic that rock humans die without leaving traces behind

[flint blaze]

still don't know why jjl is supposed to be good

[minor ore]

true

[stark sigil]

I liked the protagonist

[crisp solstice]

well, part 8 is my favorite

[minor ore]

the stands, art, philosophy, whackiness, story sometimes

[flint blaze]

i also liked him

[crisp solstice]

I can understand the frustration

[flint blaze]

man that's every part 🗿

[minor ore]

true but jjl as well

[crisp solstice]

JoJolion has cool lore

[minor ore]

yea

the rock human backstory was amazing

with the bees and shit

araki is mad

[crisp solstice]

100 years of history passed and are open for exploration

[crisp solstice]

true

[crisp solstice]

he always madlad

[minor ore]

yeah haha

[stark sigil]

I liked jobin

[crisp solstice]

Jobin was great

[minor ore]

jobin was one of my favs

also rai

and norisuke

[crisp solstice]

Always felt bad for Yasuho

[minor ore]

also that daiya vs josuke fight was one of the best

[crisp solstice]

she ain't catching a break

[minor ore]

true

tsurugi, rock humans, joshu

[junior coral]

Daiya fight mid

tbh

imo

lawl

[crisp solstice]

aight

[junior coral]

ratio

L

[minor ore]

urban dictionary: ratio
What fatherless children respond with on Twitter.
Kanye West: Check out this new song
NBA YoungBoy Profile Picture: “RATIO”
by BigChokolate July 17, 2021

[junior coral]

Ratio

[next frost]

Yo

[minor ore]

wassup walmart

[crisp solstice]

lmao

[next frost]

??

[next frost]

yo, long time no speak

[minor ore]

dirty deeds done dirt cheap
filthy acts done at a reasonable price
walmart

[next frost]

Uhh

k?

[crisp solstice]

that's some high level humor

[minor ore]

cant wait for flaccid pancake

that stand is terrifying tho

that battle was very cool aswell

loved hermes quote

[crisp solstice]

basically walking dead but invisible

[minor ore]

"revenge is for settling your score with your own fate"

yes

honestly ppl who say part 6 is bad just have shit taste

it has such great fights

very creative

see bohemian rhapsody and sky high

[next frost]

i have it as top 2

[minor ore]

based

same

[crisp solstice]

Part 6 is very creative

the ending is great, and the read is smooth

for me

[minor ore]

araki made a whole organism and stand fight out of a conspiracy theory lol

[crisp solstice]

I finished 50 chapters in one hour

[minor ore]

jesus

[next frost]

lol

[crisp solstice]

ohb wait

1,5 hours

[minor ore]

also the jailhouse lock fight was great
memento in jojo

poor emporio tho

[crisp solstice]

poor Emporio

I won but at what cost boss level

[minor ore]

only in jojo a kid is driving a car full of adults haha

[next frost]

lol agree

[kind owl]

@next frost, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[crisp solstice]

I am pretty sure Emporio was in backseat

[minor ore]

no

he was driving

[crisp solstice]

wait, which chapter?

[minor ore]

emporio is multi talented tbf

i dunno, the one before c moon

[crisp solstice]

he was

[crisp solstice]

O

[minor ore]

he had no other choice

[crisp solstice]

Yeah he was

[minor ore]

all he could do is reading and acquiring new skills

when ur whole life is in prison

[next frost]

when you are born in there

[crisp solstice]

that's pretty much reasonable when your only goal is to stop Pucci

[minor ore]

yea