#jojolion
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i think tooru goes below dio and kira
who also has no issue manipulating and killing whoever he feels
except he also has no feelings
i dont see how someone who kills for fruits is worse then Kira who is a literal serial killer
And DIO wanted total world domination in part 3
every main villain is a serial killer, the only thing is that it's kira's entire identity while everyone else has a main schtick while they kill on the side
true
- diavolo, 2. pucci, 3. kars, 4. dio/valentine, 5. tooru, 6. kira
why diavolo at 1?
because he's most evil
Just a drug dealer
and only kills people who interfere with him
doesn't matter, canonically most evil
you could argue that his fate shenanigans or his devilish nature or maybe some off-screen actions make him most evil
Pucci and diavolo had no intentions of disposing the teams until they went up against them
whatever it is, araki said diavolo deserves his punishment of infinite death so he's def done the worst shit
their actions of attacking the protag team isn't what mainly makes them evil.
That isn't true
for who
Just because you kill a bunch of people doesn't make you a serial killer
Kira is the only actual serial killer
fair enough
they still kill large amounts of people so the point of kira being a serial killer is meh
I think
Dio, Kars, Diavolo, Pucci, Valentine, and Tooru all kill tons of people but they are usually executing their enemies or killing someone in combat
DIO as well
dio killed dozens of people in p1 and p3
That doesn't make him a serial killer
Absolutely horrible example here but Hitler killed hundreds of millions of people and he does not count as a serial killer
Dio had no problems burning danny
because he never killed them directly, he ordered their killings
Even if he had it still doesn't fit the bill
Serial killers are not just people who've committed murder a bunch of times
Crime bosses, warlords, generals, soldiers etc are not considered serial killers
yeah and i said that's fair but the point of kira being a serial killer making him worse than the rest is meh
Fine
The other villains aren't serial killers is the only point I'm trying to make
so
Based on how evil they are?
by evilness i think
- DIO
- Valentine
- Diavolo
- Pucci
- Kira
- Kars
- Tooru
Pucci is the most evil one? what
yes
How?
He is the only villain there whose motive was to actually help humanity
I changed it

You still skipped one

There
dio at the top
List still sucks
dio should be lower?
What's your opinion Greeny?
Lists suck
1-10 rating?
Yeah u used to say that alot
Everytime someone ranked the Jojos u would say that
What needs to be changed from the lists?
I don't think it's really possible to rank something as subjective as "evilness"
Yeah lmao doesn’t make much sense imo
It's subjective so that just means your list can't be incorrect 
It's incorrect because the list in and of itself shouldn't exist
it is illogical
- Pucci
- Kira
- Valentine
- DIO
- Kars
- Diavolo
- Tooru
why did kira jump up the list
its personal favorite now
o
oh ok
id probably swap diavolo and tooru
I still don't understand how Pucci can be the most evil one when out of all antag he is one of the 2 that was ready to sacrifice himself for a goal he believed would help all of humanity
key point being "he believed." His goal was twisted, also born out of his own desire to run away from the catastrophe he'd caused
Pucci was mass murdering people to attain a goal , that kinda makes him an evil villain
all of em do that bruh
I can't fucking believe this
This conversation must happen every day

"How can villain be evil if their end goal was kind of beneficial?"
Only if u are around 
not what I said
well kars didnt really kill anyone

really bruh
LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID BRUH 😭😭
Bro he is the reason Pillar men went extinct
oh
"How can villain be evil if he himself believes his goal was kind of beneficial" there fixed it
Who gives a fuck if he believes it or not
But we can agree Tooru is the least evil, right?
@stark sigil, Your Stand Rank is now level 27 !
barely remember jjl so sure
it is one sentence that defines how all or most villains operate
"The ends justify the means."
If I kill such and such amount of people for the good of humanity, all is good
NO
That's how every villain in history thinks
Pucci doesn't get a pass because he thinks he's doing a service
And neither does Valentine if he thinks that he's doing it all for the good of the country
GOD
To me it does, I find a person that does evil deeds while knowing they are evil deeds much worse than a person that does those same evil deeds believing they are good for others
i mean
you either have an honest villain or one that believes they're doing well
There's no such thing as either one, realistically
Pucci obviously knew he was doing the evil thing but like I said
he believed that the ends justified the means
Meaning he can be as evil as he wants if he thinks he's saving the worldl
Its not that he didn't KNOW
He KNEW
He didn't care
That Is worse
to me
im pretty sure hes well aware hes doing bad
same as valentine
they just believe the result is worht it
Exactly what I said
and then kars and dio know theyre doing bad and they dont care
kira is the weirdest since he treats it like his daily routine
So make of them what you will
Kira's was also selfish
Pucci and Valentine are the two best villains because they're actually written like people
kira was the most selfish in my standards
valentine was better written than pucci for me since valentine's ideas are some that a lot of people could probably relate to
And that's exactly why they are less evil! Because they aren't one dimensional and weren't doing evil things because "ahah we are bad"
Agree
pucci's motive was too hard to relate to for me lmao
while being patriotic i could nearly understand
you americans sure are patriotic though
Makes sense
Again I want to say that ranking villains by evilness isn't really logical
yo hugo
guess who managed to hang up their poster without wrecking it with glue or tape B)
im sure a ton of people could relate to pucci just out of regret(since that's essentially the reasoning for his ideals)
I don't find it logical either but I believe there is no wrong doing it if it's for yourself with your own parameters
Oh that's nice
Want to share how good it looks? 😎
my phone is out of battery unfortunately'
i should hang up my other poster
i have a poster that gets me judged and a poster that embarasses me
Well one of them is a jojo poster
that should fall into both catagorys
Johnny joestar is a joestar nice
Mf
no way really?
ik
Wild
funny
you disagree?
nah just funny
its my favorite part
glad to hear
i love the references to older parts
like the crazy diamond sidewalk mural
also jotaro's hat
in the hat store
most references were in early chapters
started jojolin today.
Same
i missed that but not the other one
Y
O
Nice
In the bg they also have johnny and gyro hat too
hi english men
people who speak english. its right ?
beatdown on lisa gaming
Yeah sorry was gone for a while
hello
Hi I am dave

What did
yes
l am on chap no 105
so l think that
josuke soup bubbles and johnny spinning nails r same
@glacial tulip, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !
nice
Any bews?
#anime-jojokes or #gaming @minor ore
No bews
Day 39 of 0 bews 
Longer ago than that
what is bew?
Misspelled news
ohhh
astute observation
news about what?
Jojolands
everything greeny says sounds really aggressive
thanks
well its still a mystery
but i imagine it in an angry waifu voice to take away the bark
naw
i still dislike waifus
Greeny best waifu
When I noticed Ripples would ask this everyday
Ping him and tell him this
Hm the message above pinged him already tho
hi hugo
Besides who cares, Greeny knows he is the best waifu
Howdy
is it just me? or does anyone else wanna suck josuke's BIG JUICY 2X2s! 😩
Stop
its called a husbando
Waifu
His mental voice is a waifu
idk who greeny is i jsut read chapter 6
is he the chicken with abaccos hair and a orange suit?
You should go say hi to him and ask how his day was
impossible
Grr
HAHA PUPPY WAIFU
Nah legit
soft and wet vs hard and dry when?
mf
is hard and dry a real stand?
very
oh ok
its my stand
water type stand
when it hits someone it takes their water (it can also be from plants)
Wonder of U vs Disinterest of I when?
and at the start its just a head and the more water it gets the bigger
Its a different tybe of water taht other water goes on like water and oil
but actaully
its sounds going threw the water because sound is actually a thing that can controll water
what is that
the opposite of wonder of u
and its ultimate buility is that it sends out sound everywhere and can controll all the water in a 10 meter radius
so it favors people who pursue
yes
disintirrest of no one
stalemate
also
do you guys like my stand?
it took some time to think of
i thought one it some time ago
i think it fits me
also it can go into different shapes
i just had an idea
rohan can just write "i can't see Rohan" on most of the jojo villains
and win
oh yeah also
or stalemate
Not Wonder of U
Or Love Train
Or King Crimson
my stand can still hit things it becomes stronger with more water but it relyes on making things dry and then hiting them
the dry idea can from me having a stin condition all over my body and it always come again and again like a curse
still*
why not this one?
its like torture
lmao
but he wont suspect him as an opponent i think and then stun him with //door\
How is he going to get close enough to remove his memories if KC can predict that attack coming
i mean dio of volo just has to see husbando rohan write in the air
thats how it works
Dio of volo
He will be able to predict that attack and avoid it
What's so hard to understand about that
in the first battle you need to see a page and then husbando rohan realises he can just write in the air
okay man
i mean i think that dio of volo wont susssy wussy pect him as an enemy
i'm not talking to you anymore
why owo?
Blocking you right now
Most of
no
like saying "i could beat an mma fighter if i shot him in the head from point blank range" it's not gonna happen
and them being unable to see him doesn't mean they lose
makes it more difficult but they could still win
DIO: Rohan could do it if dio is in cooldown
Kira and Dio: Rohan can win
Ultimate kars:stalemate if rohan attacks first
DIO only needs one time stop to kill rohan so i dont see how him being on cooldown would matter
if rohan writes "can't see rohan" in dio brando, he dies like 2 seconds later. Dio has a nose
they all do(so they could all smell him) but he's literally built to feed off humans so "cant see rohan" doesn't cut it
rohan def doesn't shower
nah
just rip out all the pages
watch dio go flying into the wind
with no memories
Kars is definitely way faster than rohan and couldn't he just make animals to attack him also
prob netflix subs then
Oh
only villain i see rohan maybe beating is kira or dio(since they're the weakest)but definitely loses against the others
Couldn’t dio just send zombies after him
^^^
And Kira knows Rohan’s ability and he isn’t good with upfront confrontation so wouldn’t he just send sha
Give Dio time and he has an Army
Or throw a coin
Well in Stone Ocean we see Rohan beating MiH
Rohan would prob know the coin thing
im assuming it's a 1v1 so no nearby humans to turn into zombies
Rohan outperforms MiH speed, sounds like an easy win
Perhaps it’s set in a cemetery

To be fair that is only his writing speed
i meant WS pucci, Rohan has a slight chance against whitesnake pucci
tskr bug episode but worse
MiH can't even beat Rohan in writing speed what a terrible stand
which bug episode
Yea
Can't Rohan just right in every villain: "You can not attack Rohan kishibe"
no
Diavalo just Eases time
Can heavens door be used directly on stands and not the user?
yes
Do we see this
He used it on Cheap trick
That’s a more iffy case
Could Rohan still use the Manga page he used in his Debut episode
Yes but heavens door is more efficient
Wouldn't work for Tooru, Diavolo, or MIH pucci
And DIO
And ulfkars can send a crazed squirrel his way
If DIO isn't expecting it then maybe
Dio could avoid it if he decided to use spare ripper stingy eyes for some reason
If it’s a 1v1, he is expecting to be attacked
And he would ts
No
He couldn’t
There are limits to his stand
Mostly just things that are possible
Him gaining time stop isn’t possible
The biggest extent of possible stuff we see is Josuke being sent flying which could theoretically be achieved by CD
also Valentine with love train would beat Rohan
Without love train also
If with the element of surprise
Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Don’t even
Bring him here zero
Don’t show me his face
Don’t show me that man

the ball-less man
Im asking if characters like johnny or valentine can escape whitesnakes dream power
so overpowered characters
Yes those op characters
If they injure themselves in someway yes
yeah
How would valentine or johnny be able to do that without anything deadly on them or by themselves
It can’t be the same thing tho-
Johnny just shoots himself
that is a rule????
@spark cave in the dream?
Yeah I’m pretty sure
Show proof 
I haven’t read this part yet lol
Has he ever used the same object?
Like doesn’t he literally travel universes when he phases underground
Or material?
So between dirt and dirt
Valentine wait wouldn't Valentine just enter an AU from being covered by White snakes cum
He didn’t do it when he was suffocating
he did
Pretty sure he did
He needed the flag I’m pretty sure
Yeah ik
@tame plover, Your Stand Rank is now level 26 !
It depends if valentine can activate d4c while dreaming
I might wanna talk about soft and wet beating whitesnakes dream ability
If it can be done of course
Anyone can defeat WS' dream ability they just need to injure themselves
outside the dream
Finally lvl 37
Did Jotaro get injured
I think Jotaro was able to escape his 2nd dream from Common sense?
Yup
But jolyne was only able to that cause she was holding a bone what if you arent holding on to anything hard or sharp how would you escape
Jotaro was smart
Getting injured or gigantic brain
Or Yashuo intervenes somehow
Iq could also play into a role on getting out of ws dream power
We have just talked about that point
Research it
Well I found this on a 5 second google reaearch
Oh shit
from a valid source as well
I didnt know about that, thats kinda cool, the jojo blessing
NP
because there was gonna be a lion but araki forgot
😂😂😂😂
Jojo part 9 plot: Josuke plays amogus 😳
Looks like there are no answers about whitesnakes dream power thats fine anyway what are y'all taking about now
Does anyone die in this that isn’t a antagonist?
||yes||
||two iirc||
||Can't wait to see Tooru listening to Elvis while everyone gets destroyed by his stand in the anime|| (full part 8 spoilers)
The Wonder Of You?
Won't spoil
I think I know his mae
It’s not
NAME
Fuck
I rarely see people talk about this part
Wait
Hm it's not that rare
?
Tooru?
yes?
Nope
IM ABOUT TO
Why are u fucking here then lmao
how much of it have you already been spoiled to lel
Trying to get yourself spoiled?
nice
I think I know how it gets beat tho
Well to be certain maybe u should idk read it?

110
shorter chapters
U are dumb
Ah
so its like 80 in comparison
Jeez
Didn't you read SBR?
Part 7 and 8 are def way longer than part 6
Okay gimme three or two days
Why are u suprised by this lma
It took me about a month to finish sbr, and 1-2 week for stone ocean
And I read at similar paces each time
if were comparing chapters, part 6 is like 70-80 sbr chapters
damn
I finished both in like a week idk
Reading it at a faster pace ruins the experience so u did good Arson
Unlike the guy above me smh
I finished stone ocean sbr and jojolion in 1 month and 3-4 days

But i also had less reading time for stone ocean because I decided to read started from chapter 51
🧐
I tried to pace myself
And manga actually is really hard for me to understand for some reason
Like all manga?
Probably bc of how youre supposed to read it
@median birch, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !
I wonder how fast I could read all Jojo manga
Shut
e
And?
Ye
Nah
Yes
Mee6 sucks ngl
You suck
Im not gay so no
Wait what?
Im not gay so i dont suck
I don't think he means that...
Right left down then left then loop
Yeah
Something about the white and black fucks with my brain
That’s why I’m gonna do coloured
Same
If it exists
Colored carrying your assronist then 
Yeah lmao I only read coloured…
It’s easier for me in physical manga copy but there’s hardly any manga near me
Black and white is also boring tbh
Tru
Let's agree to disagree
I had no problem with the last 8 chapters on black and white
p6 lol
Bruh It took me my Entire summer Holiday for me to read SO which I only did because I thought part 9 released in december
prob shortest chapters overall
it took a bit of time to get used to but b&w felt better for me
prob because some of the coloring choices
oh yeah I was able to read 6 of them in one day
SO for me had the best colouring
i meant jojolion, the coloring quality was a bit worse
on the last chapters
Oh
I read 8 chapters a day for stone ocean to jojolion
yeesh
sbr was a bit long though
For SO started off reading 3 chapters a day then moved onto 6 chapters a day. Then for SBR I originally did 5 chapters a day but because I had school I did one a day then did 6 for Friday. Then for JJL I did 2 chapters a day
I couldnt find coloed chapers for jojolion from i think ch 80?
Maybe earpier
Or later
Idk
Coloured stops at chapter 102 for JJL
I probably won’t finish JJL until all color scans are out
but honestly had no problem finishing those last 8 chapters in black and white
That could take forever tho
I read those last 8 no problem
I have patience and know all the major plot points, it’s fine
8 left
For you maybe
I can’t tell what’s going on if it’s b and w
same
My eyes just go all weird
for part 8 yeah
e
Depending on what website you use they stop at Chapter 70
Mangadex.org has colored pages up to Chapter 102
The last 8 chapters do not exist in color yet
That shouldn’t be much of a deterrent
mangasee>>
You posted a meme
well
then #memes-and-images
bro
yw
ok
Ok it's not technically not a general chat
actually does this count as a general chat 
#memes-and-images @potent vigil
Mee6s a fucking bitch
Rude
mee6s a fucking bot wtf
Rude honestly
Fr
How are you feeling?
Bot lives matter
I’m completely fine tbh god a blocked nose but everything is all good, thanks for asking
How are you?
Glad you are feeling better!
I’m doing good just tired
Thanks 🙏
Yeah same tbh but I stayed up all night sooo
Why?
I couldn’t sleep
I take sleeping pills
I don’t have any
Might wanna get some
No problem!
melatonin and restricting how much blue light you get in the hours before sleeping helps alot
our body naturally knows to sleep when theres no blue light, so looking at a screen right before sleeping makes it harder
Ah ok
most devices have a night shift mode, just makes the screen like yellowish
i reccomend it if your gonna be using stuff till late
Okay thanks I will!
i love coc
i love coc
@rare vale, Your Stand Rank is now level 21 !
How dare u
The real question is: If GER and Soft and Wet go beyond fight, who wins?
ger
The thing is that Soft and Wet Go Beyond is a hard counter against every out of reality Stand
not really
and ger doesnt need to revert go beyond
josuke cant even aim it properly
and he can just snipe him
But he could break the flow of cemality and reason
Ok, thats a point
Go beyond only wins in a very close range plus assuming Ger won't one shot him with a lazer
^
You guys talkin about GER vs S&W: Go Beyond?
Yes my friend
I see. I'm leaning more towards a S&W: Go Beyond win but GER has better physical stats.
@small flame, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !
ger wins
what does this mean
ger reverts josuke shooting gb and problem solved. If not that, he just lasers josuke. If not that, then josuke tries to shoot, misses by 5ft and then gets punched to death
s&w has like one way to win and this is assuming gb is entirely unstoppable(which it isn't). Ger has a multitude
Tusk Act 4 & Go Beyond have a weakness that is they can be dodged
They can be blocked by using another person to take the hit
Agree with what you said except for the part where u say that Gb can be stopped. Why do u say that?
When it's replaced with the Giorno in Florida argument
In that moment blue name heads will fly
i think ger can revert josuke shooting it(also we've seen it get casually deflected by wou and the obladi oblada bugs sooooo)
can someone remind me why Tsurugi wouldnt let Josuke and Norisuke in the basement
chapter 20 something
gappy
bc hes a little bitch
@meager dew yes
yes
What happened to the FUCKING DOOOR
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this is so fucking cool
Ew chase
chase is goo
Correct
You’re not the first to say it
there is no worst opening
@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 5 !
pursue, great song
chase fits well jjl
Great days / cnbt fits the first half, i think
but yes, chase fits the whole rokakaka search thing and gappy wanting to figure out his identity
In my opinion your opinion is trash!!!
Well in my opinion you are trash >:C
WTHHHHHH NOOOO I NEVER SAID YOU WERE TRASH MEANIEEEE
Eheh Take that
you suck
you suck
@brave geyser, Your Stand Rank is now level 31 !
luv u 2
what a lovely chat
wrong here it's Joshu's cult
wrong

so what it is ?
@tulip bolt, Your Stand Rank is now level 14 !
...
what do yall think? i recolored tooru
Better than the official colors
Hm now that I look at him with a different color he doesn't look as bad as I remember
Without the bears his design would be top 3
much better than Sueisha thank you
oh wow something not piss yellow thank you
could have a little more variety but better than whatever Shueisha was thinking
yeah true
TRUE
the bears outclass all Rohan's outfits
i wear bars on my shoulders every day
I wear Care Bears wares everywhere, to be fair
ultimate greeny drip
No more piss yellow pants
Bars
hi san
Just doin alright
hi hru
nice nice
omg dedusmuln
Yes, u play/watch Hylics?
play
@viscid mulch, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !
factuak
“Calamity” is such a cool concept
even just the word
i instantly associate it with Terraria hell
clam
Is this Diavolo death 69.420?
Agreed, I can't wait to see how bizarre the abilities can be in Part 9
no bews 😔

the most simple and the most op
WOU: Nothing can stand the might of Calamity
S&WGB: I am Nothing
who's ability stronger? ger or sswgb
oh
We've done it before and it get's boring real quick
understandable
well
J8suke may be another one "Jotaro", who switches between parts and named to be "The strongest stand user"
actually what would happen
GER vs Calamity would just trigger a time loop
time won't advance bc of how RTZ works
nope
why not
unless
calamity isn't a "direct attack"
in which case GER does actually die
wait does GER even care if an attack is direct or not
Diavolo's death isn't attack too
y'know what forget it there's too little info on GER
In theory GER should win as it dominates souls
But a lot of things were suppose to work in theory
GER wins when people bring in random bs that was never stated to be part of its abilities
GER has become my new sleep paralysis demon
i've thought about it too much 😭
Well Do you think GER has the ability to dominate souls?
nope
it was never said so
why would i
"dominate souls" sounds like a hella easy win condition
at least RTZ actually has conditions
not in the end
Doppio had already died
But Requiem does have the ability to dominate souls. Just that it does it in very different ways depending on the stand
we need to see more of the requiem logic
but araki is about to have more rock fellas
😔
Araki is obsessed with rocks
araki abandoned requiem and just made all stands unconditionally overpowered instead
Kind of more like Rock Vampires
it seems like in the sbr/jjl universe, there are no arrows
we've seen two things that can give one a stand
Instead we have blessed places
the corpse and a mysterious bite
i wanna think that a kind of virus (or bacteria etc.) (or even an unknown chemical) gives people stands
Mid
might be the same thing which infects poor dudes with rock human disease
(this would explain how rock ppl have stands)
yeah i know i am 
and sheer fucking will
me waiting for my parents to reveal that they have stands and mine is waiting to awake
Best thing about stands is you can not disprove that they exist
How do you know that stands can't abide by the laws of physics
I wonder
of who
Pick any fight and it literally would obliterate the universe cause physics get fucked
Mans made josuke and norisuke a center of attraction, they made it so specific objects get attracted to people, thats fucked
the onigo boingo fight follows the laws of physics
Its quite impossible to balance those sigarettes in his mouth like that without using his tongue, he quite literally fucked with the laws of reality in order to get that to work
Didn't the book at some point colored himself? Bringing matter (the color) from nothing?
The pages are the Stand
It's no different than a Stand materializing itself regularly
the pages are like chamaleons, they change colors, duhhhhhh
No no, the pages are actually animals that got flattened by a billboard
They’re actually chameleons
Flat ones
chameleon skin paper
Yeah but he said in the Oingo Boingo fight at that point the book was technically already in existence 
What?
His stand is basically a bound stand I think
It is
Yeah so the stand is part of the book
mf
It is
XD
based
The book exists always and then the stand is part of the book
Hugo did you do the thing
It is a bound Stand
Who knows?
The book is stand
The thing❗!
!w Types of Stands
https://jojowiki.com/Stand_Types
Not the correct result? Use !w page Types of Stands for a direct link or !w search Types of Stands for a list of all hits.
Wiki says it's a Foresight Type but I don't see why it can't be both
It is by definition a Materialized Type
I didn't skip any part if that's what you are asking.
If it’s not a bound stand then that’s weird
Maybe cuz bound stands weren’t introduced until later
I read all parts from 1 to 3 to 6 to 2 to 5 to 6 again and then 7 and 8
Psst go to sbr chat
No...
Tohth is late Part 3
The first Materialized Stands are Strength and Wheel of Fortune
Huh
Is it really spelled tohth cuz that’s hilarious
why is "foresight" a separate type
is there a "time" type
what's the point
Is epitaph a foresight then
we have like 2-3 foresight stands
Yeah it’s more of an ability and not an entire category I’d argue
Tohth, King Crimson, and Rolling Stones
They could all fit into other categories though
yup
Rolling Stones is the non humanoid natural one
I should stop appearing in here lmaooooo

🙏
Grosshu
chad.
and?
Do you like big fluffy girls?
WAIT HES 19 AND SHES 16
yes

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