jojolion

[pale sentinel]

No he didn’t

[mystic pier]

At first

[pale sentinel]

He knew that was Lucy steel at that point

[mystic pier]

Yeah he knew pretty quick

Not straight away

[minor ore]

Valentine was just doing what any good hearted man would

[pale sentinel]

He knew literally right after the Napkin speech

[mystic pier]

A girl snuck into his house and dressed up as his wife

[random sedge]

Do we really need to discuss why attempted r@pe is very extremely bad?

It's a given

[mystic pier]

He just assumed she wanted him

[junior coral]

Not an excuse

[pale sentinel]

I never thought I’d here the day where someone is actually justifying what valentine did Lucy

[minor ore]

Yeah in the end it was just a huge misunderstanding

[junior coral]

Man

[minor ore]

It’s a good think we know Valentine did nothing wrong

[mystic pier]

I can’t believe valentine is so misunderstood by the community

[minor ore]

Seriously

[mystic pier]

It’s really sad tbh

[hard meteor]

you say that like this convo doesnt happen 3 times a week

[minor ore]

And the whole Love Train destroying the world thing? Just your typical Joestar exaggerations

[mystic pier]

IKR

[minor ore]

It was gonna save America for Pete’s sake

[mystic pier]

Not his fault gyro decided to attack him

[pale sentinel]

The conversation about it happening does. No one ever tries to justify his actions… until now

[mystic pier]

He was just trying to make America great

[minor ore]

You’re damn right

I’d say he was doing a good job until the Joestar devil came in and messed things up

[hard meteor]

nah countless people have

[pale sentinel]

It’s just wrong on every single level imaginable

[random sedge]

If this man isnt trolling, then I'm concerned

[mystic pier]

Jonny is the real monster tbh

[minor ore]

This

[mystic pier]

He threw away the prosperity of America for legs he lost being a dick

[minor ore]

I never even knew Valentine Did this Until Now

[minor ore]

And he still dies to a rock???

Valentine would never

[mystic pier]

Smh

[zenith blaze]

At least Johnny didn’t die from dirt

[minor ore]

Idk how Valentine dies I didn’t read part 7

[edgy tiger]

This is the summary

[flint blaze]

No he didn’t. He didn’t know who it was, simply that it may or may not be his wife

[hard meteor]

jesus for part 9 main villian 🙏

[edgy tiger]

Go on

[pale sentinel]

still the scene in question doesnt happen for at least another 2-3 pages long enough for him to realize that the person is not his wife... but still proceeds to do what he does

[mystic pier]

Honestly I don’t know how people can defend Lucy here

[flint blaze]

It is only when Lucy attempts to stab him that he is certain this is not his wife

[mystic pier]

Valentine just thinks he’s going down on his wife

[pale sentinel]

okay now hes trolling

[mystic pier]

Yeah exactly Lucy tried to kill a man who thought he was going down on his wife

The way he reacted was a very weird extreme but this girl pretended to be his wife, went along with his advances and then tried to kill him

[deft trellis]

Jojo is cute

[pale sentinel]

@mystic pier just try and justify this scene.

[mystic pier]

Clearly he’s just trying to scare her to get her back for breaking into his house and trying to kill him

Why would anyone become infatuated with someone after just meeting and almost being killed by them

[random sedge]

Doesnt he try to skrew Lucy after she gets the corpse parts in her too?

[minor ore]

He didn't know it was lucy I thought?

[random sedge]

I could be misremembering

[pale sentinel]

technically he finds out its lucy in the next page... however he KNOWS its not his wife now

[mystic pier]

By that point he knew it was someone else

Honestly it sickens me that people actually believe he would cheat on his wife

He’s not like the scumbag Joseph

[minor ore]

Joseph saved the world twice tho, once directly, once as a supporting role though.

[red tundra]

Not trying to defend Valentine but he clearly didn't know that was lucy.

[flint blaze]

Yes

[pale sentinel]

at this point biribiri is trolling XD

[mystic pier]

His wife was dead by the time Lucy had the corpse parts in her so that wouldn’t be cheating

[flint blaze]

After au valentine tracks her down, he says that he’d like to continue

[mystic pier]

Valentine > Joseph

[mystic pier]

Different valentine anyway

Maybe in his world it isn’t a crime

[minor ore]

...alrighty, whatever you say

[mystic pier]

You can’t just judge him like that

[minor ore]

Yes i can

He tried to rape a little girl

[mystic pier]

Little?

She’s taller than him

[random sedge]

Not sure if that was the right word to take away from the sentence

[mystic pier]

[flint blaze]

Funny valentine is 6 foot, fym

[grand hill]

So this guy has rock skin

What now instead of pillar man we have what rock humans?

[mystic pier]

Yeah pretty much

[grand hill]

Wtf

[mystic pier]

Not even rock humans

Just rocks

[flint blaze]

Hit the nail on the head

[grand hill]

I just guessed and was right

Im still on chaoter 30 i want to read atleast till 55today

I will continue reading later

I need to eat something

[mystic pier]

Eat fruit

[pale sentinel]

chapter 55 is a really good stopping point honestly

[grand hill]

Yea halfway thru

[pale sentinel]

no its because of the arc

[grand hill]

Oh nice

[minor ore]

He’s 6 feet? Well this discussion is out of the question; Valentine did nothing wrong

[pale sentinel]

chapter 55 is probably one of the most HYPE chapters in all of JoJo

[grand hill]

I kinds got spoiled and know that it will be reaveled whos the other guy that josuke is combined with there

Kira and some kujoh guy

Right

[pale sentinel]

i wont spoil it for you, gotta read that yourself 😛

when i finished chapter 55, i was so hyped for reading the second half

[grand hill]

For now all i gotta say is josuke 8 is my fav jojo

[grand hill]

I hope i will be too

Cuz i gotta finish ut till tommorow 4pm

[pale sentinel]

i can read that chapter at least 5 times over, its so satifying

[keen ibex]

Goirno pose?

[flint blaze]

Based

[grand hill]

Ok you hyped me up

[pale sentinel]

chapters 47-55, peak JoJo content right there. its like the second best arc ive ever read

[mystic pier]

Which arc was that?

[pale sentinel]

||haato brought her boyfriend home and vitamin C and killer Queen||

[mystic pier]

[pale sentinel]

exactly

[keen ibex]

Jobin throwin up gang signs?! He from the eastside?!

[minor ore]

Jobin reps his set and says he doesn’t fuck w y’all

[plain canyon]

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[minor ore]

I mean, Jojolion is basically a gang war of Rock humans vs higashkita family

[light swift]

rock humans more like cock humans

[minor ore]

The good ending

I’m pretty sure we got the bad ending

Cause everyone died

[junior coral]

Jojo reference

[crisp vigil]

start the car

[errant sonnet]

are we still not over with the guardrail memes?

[crisp vigil]

no

you should know jojo fans will run a meme beyond dry

[errant sonnet]

shouldn't we be memeing the tooru in random places to death now

[gleaming peak]

Why not keep the meme going

guardrails were always threatening now we know why

[light swift]

guardrails are a jojo reference now!

[minor ore]

I live there

Look behind you

[junior coral]

😨

There’s some fucking like hooligans rolling a tire around behind me now

Shits cray

[rapid bear]

Wait jojolion ends with him choosing a cake

[kind owl]

@rapid bear, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[rapid bear]

What the hell

Anyways

Part 9 when???

[crisp vigil]

ha nice
every now and then we get people with roman candles

[junior coral]

We don’t know

[rapid bear]

Ill just write my own part 9

[minor ore]

December 25th

[rapid bear]

its begins in Polnareff Land

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[eager ore]

Anyone know where I can read JoJolion colored

[plain canyon]

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[eager ore]

Thanks Tooru from jojos bizarre adventure

[eager ore]

Yeah I could only find it up to 94 in English on mangadex

[plain canyon]

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[pale sentinel]

https://mangadex.org/title/c086153a-0162-412a-9914-a7b2633d0cd3
here is up to 110 in english, just not in color

[plain canyon]

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[pale sentinel]

yea the last 2-3 volumes havent been colored yet

[eager ore]

Thank you but that website looked like it was about to install 20 viruses on my phone

[rapid bear]

Wtf is JoJo Land Part 9

[pale sentinel]

just use mangadex i know its reliable

[plain canyon]

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[eager ore]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been using but I’m picky as hell about colorations an shit

[eager ore]

I’m broke as hell and read it on my phone

[plain canyon]

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[eager ore]

Welp Ima just read the rest in black and white anyways

Later skaters

[vapid field]

Black and white for part 7 and 8 are quite good tho

[eager ore]

Ah shit my brother just puked

[vapid field]

RIP

[eager ore]

Hope I don’t got Covid

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[eager ore]

Yea him just spoiled with colorations lmao

[vapid field]

True but his part 7 & 8 style is where the reading is easier to digest

[plain canyon]

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[ebon elbow]

Where JoJo’s Land channel?

[sinful bramble]

It’s coming when we get more information on the part

[plain egret]

draw a lion in the jojo style JOJOLION

[analog skiff]

I know it's r/shitpostcrusaders

But there's a part 8 event rn

And literally 80% of the memes are just chapter 110 tooru edited into random-ass shit

[plain egret]

lol

[lucid tartan]

Not a manga reader, but how's the ending of Part 8 ?

[kind owl]

@lucid tartan, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[minor ore]

mixed

[analog skiff]

Not a massive fan of the final arc personally and a lot of people felt that there were a good amount of dropped plot points

But it wasn't terrible

Just not great

[tame plover]

cool

[dense mesa]

I loved it

[sinful bramble]

Could’ve been better, I didn’t like the penultimate chapter much but the last one was pretty cool

I wish the part was kept going for another volume or two though

The ending felt quite quick and somethings could’ve been addressed

[minor ore]

pretty good

[tepid ocean]

Do u think its the best?

[minor ore]

The best in my opinion is 6

very nice ending

[tame plover]

a good ending to 1-6

[minor ore]

Part 8 ending is definitely not the best

And Tooru is clearly not the best antagonist

Since he just appeared at the end of the manga

Imo a really good ending is part 2

And part 7

[radiant halo]

The ending of part 6 was the saddest in my pov

[minor ore]

Why

They didn’t all die

[upper knoll]

Anyone else feel like Tooru wasnt the main villain and instead Rock Humans were a collective villian, with Tooru just being the last one

[minor ore]

Now that you say that I didn’t see it that way

We got used to a main villain

[tepid ocean]

Kira best villain

[minor ore]

I wouldn’t say that

He was a good villain but not def not the best

For me:
1- Kars
2- Funny Valentine
3-Pucci

[sinful bramble]

Valentine = Pucci > Kira > DIO/Dio > Tooru > Kars > Diavolo

[minor ore]

Bro what Kars is awesome

He’s still not dead in the first universe

And imagine if Novel Kars was canon

[minor ore]

Novel kars too op

[celest viper]

Wow you are so right

[minor ore]

Valentine > Kira > Kars > Dio = Pucci > Diavolo > Tooru

[minor ore]

Way too op

[celest viper]

Pucci is better than dio and kars imo

[minor ore]

Nah you guys are trippin Kars solo them all idk if you’re talkin about pure strength or character development

For me it’s like a reverse exponential curve

So all the ones up to diavolo are close

[celest viper]

i dont like kars because he just lost to a hamon user

🤨

[minor ore]

Not just any Hamon user though

He didn’t really lose he was blinded by his anger

He lost to Joseph

I will say though since this is Jojolion chat

You know how everyone mentions “why would Tooru spend time with Yasuho at school?”

He a weird mf

Well how come Yasuho never brought up the fact that her ex boyfriend had the weirdest sleeping habits?

That strangely align with a rock human’s?

[celest viper]

Doesnt tooru love yasuho

[minor ore]

They used to date

So I assume the two would have hung out all the time since they went to school together

[minor ore]

Yasuho barely remembers anything regarding her experiences with Tooru

She barely remembered him seeing her when she was 6 yes but she clearly recognised him when they first ran into eachother in the hospital

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 5 !

[minor ore]

Also if Soft and Wet can plunder anyone does that mean he could have stole the concept of using a stand from people?

yea

cause stands are like the user's soul

so josuke can steal their soul

No

Doggy style is what stone free dreams of being

[viral plume]

Doggy style is budget stone free

[minor ore]

im getting closer to having every single panel

plus i deleted all my other images

so now i ONLY have tooru

tooru haters smd

[edgy tiger]

Jobin clear I’m afraid 🤧🤧

[blazing elm]

jobinnnnn

[kind owl]

@blazing elm, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !

[heavy ledge]

Beautiful morning innit

[tepid ocean]

Hey anyone know what chapter josuke comes

[celest viper]

1?

[minor ore]

Literally the first chapter

[crisp torrent]

On Volume 9 now this part is cool

Does Joshu get any better at all though? Dude is a prick lol

[hoary bear]

Part 4 chapter 1

[tepid ocean]

In part 6

When does he come

[hard meteor]

he doesnt

why would josuke be in part 6

[tepid ocean]

What??

People said he comes

[hard meteor]

they lied to you i guess

[mossy cloak]

bro this is so sad

[celest viper]

He comes with giorno and giorno gives req arrow to josuke and bamm crazy diamond requiem

Beats pucci

[tepid ocean]

Which chapter

[light swift]

In what chapter does tooru and josuke kiss

[sinful bramble]

[celest viper]

69

[minor ore]

Page 420

@zealous cobalt

@carmine star posted a scam link

Guys don’t be dumb don’t click on the link

[minor ore]

nah

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !

[heavy ledge]

he does

[hard meteor]

never thought about this before

[empty prairie]

👀

[fervent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-in-trouble-oh-no-shocked-whoops-gif-14693034

nah it's best mama

rock humans don't have emotion and he cared a lot about trish so..

you were hit by the wonder of u

[heavy field]

https://tenor.com/view/chef-skinner-skinner-suprised-suprised-chef-skinnee-chef-kinner-suprised-gif-20704181

[viscid valve]

virgin vs chad

[heavy field]

Oh shit, I Am a Rock with the chad stride

[thick lagoon]

I wanted to ask something real quick

Would GER be able to reverse WoU? I'm not sure since GER is stated to only reverse the actions or will of a person to zero/nothing, and I don't think calamity is an action, I could be wrong though.

I know GER wouldn't be able to reverse Soft and Wet:Go Beyond since the bubbles it makes are infinitely close to zero and technically non existent, and you can't change reset something to zero when it already is zero

It just depends on whether josuke would be able to overcome gers other abilities

Like gers super strength(which is even stronger than star platinums)

[vagrant fjord]

he wouldnt be able to reverse WOU since WOU has taken no action against him

GER's ability activates in defense of giorno or any action taken against him so if giorno attacked he wouldnt be able to stop the calamity

but if Giorno didn't pursue then they would just be locked in a stalemate

so I say WOU gets the slight edge but if Tooru attacked first he would lose

really depends

[minor ore]

Finally, part 8 has a big jojo meme

[vagrant fjord]

shut up tooru go find some more wasps

[charred ridge]

jojo

[kind owl]

@charred ridge, Your Stand Rank is now level 9 !

[random sedge]

Why do people like joshu so much?

[junior coral]

Couldn’t tell you

[hard meteor]

hes fun

flawed but fun

[vagrant fjord]

yes

[junior coral]

“Joshu did nothing wrong ☺️” mfs pisss me off the most

Luckily there isn’t much of that these days

[flint blaze]

It could not revert calamity as calamity is a law of nature. He can revert the calamities themselves though as those are actions

[quasi oak]

Why not?

[flint blaze]

Revert to zero isn’t literally turning things into zero. He reverts the effect of an action back to its cause making it so there is no effect, thus “zero.” Go Beyond has effects that can be reverted even though it “doesn’t exist”

[junior coral]

WoU vs GER ends in a draw

Untouchable object meets untouchable object

[vagrant fjord]

GER cant rtz an action he took against someone

so he would be able to be hit by the calamity

[junior coral]

WoU doesn’t make actions against people though

Strictly talking about calamity

[vagrant fjord]

in some situations yes

[junior coral]

He doesn’t make actions and neither does GER

[vagrant fjord]

but WOU wouldnt kill

[junior coral]

Neither could kill the other is my point

[vagrant fjord]

yeah

but I give the edge to WOU for being able to atleast hurt

[flint blaze]

He wouldn’t

The calamity hitting him is an action. It gets reverted

[edgy tiger]

Could Giorno reverse WoU’s action of putting Giorno on the list or even putting Giorno at the top of the list of calamities?

[flint blaze]

No because that happens passively

[edgy tiger]

By reversing I mean setting to zero

[edgy tiger]

Yea but wouldn’t his stand do it, passively?

[flint blaze]

No because you get put higher in the order of calamity via your own actions

[edgy tiger]

Wait wasn’t there a scene where Tooru talks about adjusting the list?

It’s been a while so it’s a bit hazy

[flint blaze]

Maybe, I don’t know

But he’d get put at the top of the order anyways because he’d attack wonder of u

Even if Tooru doesn’t adjust it

[edgy tiger]

I think it was the time when he was confronting Yasuho while WoU was dealing with Josuke in the hospital

[edgy tiger]

Fair point

[flint blaze]

Found it. He says that if Yasuho witnesses him, she’ll get put at the top of the order, not that he’d actively adjust the order.

[heavy field]

Pale King pepe 👀

[random sedge]

[random sedge]

Poco Jumbo?!!??!

[heavy field]

Poco Jumbo 😎

[random sedge]

[heavy field]

https://tenor.com/view/flooshed-blush-explode-emoji-flushed-gif-17863373

[random sedge]

What was joshu stand called?

[heavy field]

Nut King Call 😳

[random sedge]

What was origami stand calledM

[hard meteor]

paper moon king

[random sedge]

Why so many of the family's stand names have king?

How narcissistic

[minor ore]

I put all the wasps into my urethra and they won’t come out please help

[gaunt sequoia]

I think it's to symbolize the family element imo

What's interesting is Caato's stand doesn't have king in her name

[minor ore]

Space trucKING

I still feel like the original plan for part 8 was to have king crimson in it though

[gaunt sequoia]

Oh yeah didn't catch that sorry

[minor ore]

Which is why I’m still going with my flashback man diavolo headcanon

[hard meteor]

you mean non existent man?

[minor ore]

Yeah

I also headcanon (though mostly jokingly) radio Gaga as kars

https://tenor.com/view/tooru-the-wonder-of-you-jojolion-gif-17297987

groovin

[heavy field]

https://tenor.com/view/jojolion-gappy-dancing-dance-moves-josuke-higashikata-gif-17718737

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[flint blaze]

Why tf would p8 have king crimson in it

[mossy cloak]

idk maybe because it has king in its name

[vagrant fjord]

exactly

JJL logic

[mossy cloak]

i mean bro it didnt happen

[viscid pike]

With all the stands with King in its name, I thought King Crimson'd be there

In pt8

JJL is done y'all, where would you place it in your best-worst JoJo list?

I think it's in 4th place behind parts 6, 7 and 4

[mossy cloak]

tied with sbr as my favorite

[rugged stream]

2nd best imo. Prefer Stone Ocean more

[flint blaze]

[flint blaze]

Only ahead of p1-3

[elfin tangle]

Too unsatisfying with some of the most left loose plot threads I've seen in a minute within Jojos. The side characters for the most part were letdowns too

Definitely 4th or 5th place overall in my personal ranking

[hard meteor]

probably 2nd or 3rd for me

[viscid pike]

I think whatever Araki has planned for JoJo LANDS will put a lot of the events of part 8 in better context

Part 8 is the closest JoJo part to a fever dream imo

With just the sheer number of plot points going on simultaneously, it's like Araki was both drunk and tripping on acid at the same time

[kind owl]

@viscid pike, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !

[elfin tangle]

It's still not going to help JJL's case for me. As it won't erase the blatant underuse of side characters. Things like Mr. Flashback is... Eh, kinda don't like it, especially in a part that is about mysteries and answeries.

[fickle radish]

POCOLOCO!

[kind owl]

@fickle radish, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !

[fickle radish]

woops im 2 hours late

[elfin tangle]

L

[viscid pike]

Oh pog

Part 8 will get more love as people digest it a lil bit more

Kinda like how part 6 was so universally hated but now we generally look back at it more fondly

[hard meteor]

I mean sure that but that doesn’t fix the flaws with it

[vagrant fjord]

the ending just rubbed me the wrong way

[minor ore]

Is Jojo official booba allowed???

idk=)

[keen ibex]

OMG this panell😭😭

This can be taken so outta context lol

[minor ore]

Thats enough jojo

[minor ore]

Is that....

[flint blaze]

Araki forgot to include hot seggs scene with random bathtub woman

[minor ore]

🤨

[keen ibex]

🌚

[pale sentinel]

so i thought what would the anime episode list probably look like for part 8

[hoary bear]

With SBR being the top and Stone Ocean being behind that, it's fighting with part 4 for 3rd place

[crisp vigil]

sbr takes the cake

[minor ore]

My grandad from 1977 told me jojolion episodes would be 2 minutes long so the whole season is 29281 episodes

[crisp vigil]

jjl maybe 2nd

[tame wasp]

Ok got it

[valid cedar]

my ranking would be: sbr, jojolion, stone ocean, diamond is unbreakable, golden wind, stardust crusaders, battle tendancy, phantom blood

[kind owl]

@valid cedar, Your Stand Rank is now level 8 !

[valid cedar]

although part 6 and 4 are about at the same level for me

[tawny epoch]

jojolion

[tame wasp]

Mine would be: jojolion, steel ball run, diamond is unbreakable, golden wind, battle tendency, stardust crusaders, stone ocean, phantom blood

[crisp vigil]

rip stone ocean

[minor ore]

can sum1 link me jojolion w out all the damn porn ads that pop up in the corner plz im begging

[crisp vigil]

they all tend to have it

mangadex has the least from what i’ve seen

[viscid pike]

Mangadex doesn't have porn

[minor ore]

waaa ooo ok

[flint blaze]

Golden wind, steel ball run, diu, stone ocean, jojolion, sdc, battle tendency, phantom blood

[crisp vigil]

eeh sometimes in the top right there’s a small pop up like
“chicks in sacramento for you”

[pale sentinel]

jojolion is easily the second best part

[flint blaze]

Does mangadex have all the chapters though

[hard meteor]

nah mangadex doesnt have any popups,unless your using the fake one

[flint blaze]

[viscid pike]

@flint blaze yeah that's where I read the finale

[flint blaze]

Last time I checked, they didn’t have them. Weird

[hard meteor]

it has every chapter

[pale sentinel]

1. SBR
2. jojolion
3. DiU
4. Battle Tendency
5. Golden Wind
6. Phantom Blood
7. Stardust Crusaders
8. Stone Ocean

[crisp vigil]

stone ocean

[rough pelican]

literally same

[flint blaze]

Stone ocean at bottom

[rough pelican]

exept for stone ocean yeah...

[hard meteor]

stone ocean ranked the lowest

[pale sentinel]

stone ocean being 8th doesnt mean its bad, it just means that i find it to be the most lacking of all parts

[hard meteor]

how

[viscid pike]

Stone Ocean at the bottom wow

[pale sentinel]

why does everyone suddenly be like "OMG STONE OCEAN SOO GOOD" like seriously i remember a year ago people were the exact opposite

[hard meteor]

frfr

[rough pelican]

ppl just dont get the ending

[viscid pike]

The vocal minority was especially loud

[rough pelican]

mfs won watchu want

[flint blaze]

The ending was fire

[pale sentinel]

yea the ending is good, but are we just going to deny the rest of the story happened

[hard meteor]

the rest of the story was good too

[flint blaze]

^

[viscid pike]

Jolyne is easily the best jojo

[rough pelican]

the rest of the story was building up to that ending

[pale sentinel]

after jail house lock the story is at break neck pace to finish

[flint blaze]

Well most of the rest of the story. The chapters after Jolyne got in prison were really slow. Goo goo dolls arc nearly made me drop it

[crisp vigil]

chadhatten transfer

[viscid pike]

How does that work if you're reading it? The whole point of Stone Ocean is the prison setting. When they get out you know it's almost done

[pale sentinel]

no its like we are given pieces of stuff through out the first 100 chapters, then right after we get out literally it goes 0-100

[rough pelican]

i wonder what versace`s name will be in the anime

[hard meteor]

itll be versus which is his actual canon name

[rough pelican]

versace sounds wayy cooler tho

[viscid pike]

Donatello Versus

[fickle radish]

stone oceann and stardust to low but based

joshu> UR WHOLE VERSE EZ LLLL

[pale sentinel]

i still think that it has the most contrived plot. like why couldnt pucci just have the book why did it need to be that one time back in 1987 jotoro saw the book and he was able to somehow memorize it

[fickle radish]

I mostly base alot of parts off the characters

[hard meteor]

jotaro burned the book

[pale sentinel]

yea i know but it could of been in puccis hands and it still would of played out the same

[crisp vigil]

when the same vampire had terrorized your family for over 140 years i think jotaro would memorize it

[pale sentinel]

he literally said "this seems dangerous" and burns it right there

[viscid pike]

At the same time he incapacitated the most powerful stand and stand user. It was a win-win for Poochie

[flint blaze]

How

[viscid pike]

Jotaro would 100% go after Pucci if he knew Pucci had the information to Heaven

[flint blaze]

How would Jotaro know that though

Since he supposedly burns the book, he wouldn’t suspect that 2 decades later, someone would somehow have it

[viscid pike]

Idk but Pucci and JongalliA already sus for putting Jolyne on jail.

[flint blaze]

Even if Jotaro knew, how would Jolyne play a part in it

[viscid pike]

And Jotaros a smart guy, he'd figure it out somehow

[flint blaze]

This was only to lure out Jotaro, they didn’t care about Jolyne

If he had the book, he wouldn’t need to lure Jotaro to the prison and steal his discs

[crisp vigil]

yeah the point was only jotaro knew the heaven plan
steal his memories, get the info

[viscid pike]

Idk maybe Gravity brings Jolyne, Jotaro and Pucci together somehow

[crisp vigil]

all fate baybee 😎

[severe python]

Rat Jolyne

[pale sentinel]

i think more importantly, it has the weakest stand fight in terms of pacing dragons dream. and a lot of the stand battles in the first 100 chapters felt more like part 3 they were just there to fill in the time

[minor ore]

i actually dont belive in gravity sooo

[severe python]

There were three back to back stand fights that were mid

[minor ore]

I just realized that Lucy steel is speedwagon

[crisp vigil]

once you reread dragons dream and don’t have to read the equivalent of the bible’s length for the explanation the fight becomes pretty enjoyable

[severe python]

It hard to get through the last part of the jail when shes in solitary

[minor ore]

She's peed wagon and Erina combined

And Fumi is Smokey+Joseph

[pale sentinel]

also how is that ungalo, rikiel and donatello are affected by the gravity. but not giorno

[crisp vigil]

giorno was in florida

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-wins-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-the-gravity-will-win-gravity-wins-always-gif-20161373

[crisp vigil]

he came all the way from italy, giorno was lagging behind

[flint blaze]

A lot of them had purpose wym

[minor ore]

I don’t remember any fight in prison except the Hermès fight, Dragons Dream/Planet Waves, and Jail House Lock

Imagine if Giorno came but Pucci convinces him to join his side

[flint blaze]

Because Giorno isn’t a bum that can easily be influenced by pucci

[pale sentinel]

marlyn manson, jumpin jack flash

[minor ore]

I sleep

[flint blaze]

Jumpin jack flash was important

[pale sentinel]

it wasnt pucci influcing him, the bone is what caused them to gravitate towards pucci

[flint blaze]

Same with the sports maxx fight

[pale sentinel]

the only mention of giorno in part 6

[flint blaze]

My point stands. Giorno is less influenced by outside factors than the other 3 sons who essentially had no purpose in life

[minor ore]

Some bastard is laughing his ass off in his office because he added a tiny mention of Giorno in the volume release

[hard meteor]

which was added after the story was already concluded,he also had no real reason to be in the part

[pale sentinel]

i think that part 6 is a good part, i just dont rank it as high as the others which is why its number 8 on my list

[minor ore]

Based

[hard meteor]

ranked above part 1 tho 🤨

[pale sentinel]

yea i love jonathan, and his fight against dio was legendary. the only bad part about part 1 is bruford and tarkus

[crisp vigil]

wrong

[hard meteor]

no

[minor ore]

Um based???

[hard meteor]

thats one of the better fights in the part

[minor ore]

Part 1 enjoyers please rise

[hard meteor]

jack the ripper sucked

[crisp vigil]

pluck is very important
and will literally died against tarkus

[minor ore]

Bruford and Tarkus was great tho

[vagrant fjord]

burgled

[flint blaze]

burgled

[minor ore]

Do you mean blueford

[minor ore]

Burgled

[pale sentinel]

i love the fight, its just it goes on way to long

[minor ore]

Anime fixed it Dw

[vagrant fjord]

burgled and tarkas

[pale sentinel]

ah yes how could i forget the correct name

[minor ore]

Jonnytank vs Digo

[pale sentinel]

i know it did but its still liek 2-3 episodes

[minor ore]

Perfect

[pale sentinel]

out of the 9 episodes...

[flint blaze]

the only bad part about it is that it's worst part

[hard meteor]

i like jonathan but cmon now

[vagrant fjord]

Jonahtanq vs dinosaur bran

[pale sentinel]

and you can have that opinion, ill still hold part 1 as one of my favorite parts

[hard meteor]

no way is better written than 6

[vagrant fjord]

Part 1 boring af

[rough pelican]

true

[minor ore]

Based opinion. Phantom Blood is short and sweet and is very different than the rest of the parts

[rough pelican]

still good tho

[pale sentinel]

i think it is, it has a perfect conclusion.

[vagrant fjord]

Part 1 ending is peak jojo

[rough pelican]

part 1 is peak jojo

[pale sentinel]

our main character dies to save the rest of the world and his family. the most selfless sacrifice

[vagrant fjord]

nah

[flint blaze]

part 6's conclusion is perfect

[rough pelican]

just like every other part

[hard meteor]

it had a good ending on its own, other parts just have more to offer

[vagrant fjord]

part 1 has the best ending hands down but is the 3rd worst part

[pale sentinel]

plus jonathan is a really great person, and i wish i got to see more of him

[rough pelican]

the whole wonder of you ark is literally longer than part 1

[pale sentinel]

stardust crusaders only inches out past part 6 imo because of its characters being a little bit better. and the fight with jotaro vs dio being like top 5 best anime fights of all time

[minor ore]

Araki wanted him to head in a different direction

[pale sentinel]

and i respect that its a perfect ending to the character

[vagrant fjord]

which part had the weakest arc thou

[pale sentinel]

part 6 dragons dream hands down

[flint blaze]

p6 or p7

[rough pelican]

yeah..

[viscid pike]

I hope they use Dolly Parton's Jolene at some point

[rough pelican]

dragons dream be confusing af tho

[pale sentinel]

tomb of the boom is at least enjoyable because you get to see andre hang himself

[minor ore]

Mans been saying that part 7 has some weak stands

Is this true

[hard meteor]

characters being a little bit better
almost thought this wasnt a joke

[flint blaze]

yes

[viscid pike]

I think Tomb of the Boom was the worst arc yet

[crisp vigil]

sbr stands can be busted

[vagrant fjord]

has most of strongest stands of any part

[viscid pike]

That or the Talking Head arc in part 5

[minor ore]

I’m talking weak as in they suck fat dick and cock

[pale sentinel]

worst arc of part 7 but i dont think its the worst arc of all jojo

[vagrant fjord]

huh

oh

Hell no part 7 stands are peak jojo stands

[minor ore]

Bro???

[flint blaze]

no

[vagrant fjord]

nah they are easily

[flint blaze]

p7 stands suck

[hard meteor]

worst arc in jojo is probably boy 2 man

[pale sentinel]

shigechis harvest

[minor ore]

You’re wrong

Sorry

[pale sentinel]

boys II men is at least short. shigechis harvest just keeps going

[flint blaze]

harvest arc>

[vagrant fjord]

tusk act 4, d4c, scary monsters, love train, ball breaker,

mandom

[rough pelican]

the only thing i didnt like was the whole lucy steel and valentine paedophelia panels💀

[flint blaze]

boy 2 man was entirely pointless, it didn't build up the part in any way or develop any characters

[hard meteor]

harvest was 20x better lmao

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[vagrant fjord]

ew

[flint blaze]

we just see rohan nearly get whooped and then be clever and win against some ugly kid who doesn't matter

[vagrant fjord]

jojo sucks

[crisp vigil]

boys ii men also has my most hated character in jojos

[pale sentinel]

shigechis harvest doesnt even do anything for the plot either. its the next arc that just happens to have shigechi in it that is important

[pale sentinel]

janken boy is terrible ill give you that, but again its like 2 chapters maybe 3 at best. shigechis harvest was like 10 chapters

[flint blaze]

it has good stands, but its worst stands are the worst of the worst

[vagrant fjord]

Lol nah

[flint blaze]

it was more than 3 chapters

[plain canyon]

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[vagrant fjord]

Name them

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[minor ore]

Doesn’t do anything for the plot except introduce a character that gives motivation to pursue the main villain? Um based also it was a hilarious read and the trio were fun to watch

[pale sentinel]

how did you not mention the most powerful stand of all Hey Ya

[vagrant fjord]

forgot it

[flint blaze]

^

[crisp vigil]

thanks fully it’s only that short

but all it takes is that one panel with the whiny kid crying to just ruin the experience

[eager ore]

Anyone remember why joshu was in the sewer that one time

[kind owl]

@eager ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 4 !

[pale sentinel]

it could of been any character that died, just because it was shigechi doesnt suddenly make his arc better

[hard meteor]

💯

[eager ore]

Was there ever any context given for that

[vagrant fjord]

Zewierong

[boreal matrix]

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[vagrant fjord]

Ignore him

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[boreal matrix]

perhaps

[crisp vigil]

they didn’t write it

[vagrant fjord]

It’s a copypasta

[plain canyon]

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[boreal matrix]

its a bot generated story

[crisp vigil]

interesting

[flint blaze]

also boy 2 man arc was 6 chapters not 3

[flint blaze]

i dont speak german

[pale sentinel]

it felt short, so i guess i just mis remember that

[eager ore]

Ok I just finished JoJolion but who the fuck was flashback man

[pale sentinel]

also it doesnt help that i was an anime only watcher for that part and shigechis harvest is TWO episodes. while janken boy is one episode

[minor ore]

It could not have been any character that died. How did the gang find Kira? By Shigechi’s Harvest, it brought them a button. We know he has harvest because we were shown it in the based harvest arc. Why does that make the arc better than it already is? Because Harvest is an awesome stand duh

[hard meteor]

dropped character 😔

[eager ore]

😔

I’d like to know what his original intentions were with flashback man

Araki that is

[pale sentinel]

i just found shiegchi to be an annoying character. sad death, but like i didnt like the character. harvest arc is just annoying to sit through.

[crisp vigil]

harvest was cool

[fierce schooner]

Guys what if Josefumi's Joestar Birthmark is just a fake, trying to copy Kira's birthmark, just like Josuke copied the hair of the person who saved him as a kid?

[hard meteor]

probably is

[pale sentinel]

harvest is an interesting stand, its the user who i dont like

[crisp vigil]

yo that would be cool for his character

taking inspiration from kira for saving his life

[fierce schooner]

Yeah, but we will never know that because Araki never explained it

[thick lagoon]

But isnt the calamity an action(sorry for the late reply)

[minor ore]

I think a good assumption is that Josefumi is a bastard child

[eager ore]

Yeah

[minor ore]

I’m the father

[crisp vigil]

yes

[pale sentinel]

WoU vs GER is a stalemate. no one can hit each other. its a moot point

[eager ore]

Well on another note I think I’m gonna be wonder of u for Halloween

[minor ore]

I Wonder if U will get a bitch or two

[eager ore]

😭

[thick lagoon]

I still don't get it, shouldn't the calamity that hits giorno be considered an action?

[flint blaze]

yes

[pale sentinel]

yes so it will be revert to zero

but since all you need to do to activate WoU is think about approaching him, he will always be able to evade GER attacks

WoU never threw a single punch in the entire 26 chapters that he was in.

[thick lagoon]

So WoU would evade ger and ger would reverse the calamities

[pale sentinel]

yes

so stalemate

[thick lagoon]

And it would keep continuing?

[pale sentinel]

yes

until giorno decides to stop pursuing WoU

the 3 most powerful stands: GER, WoU and D4C -Love Train- would be in a stalemate

[flint blaze]

WoU>D4C LT

also mih>

[thick lagoon]

WoU and GER have equal power then?

[pale sentinel]

mih could never killer d4c same with wou since d4c is in his own pocket dimension

[crisp vigil]

not comparable

[pale sentinel]

^

[flint blaze]

this is assuming d4c does nothing

[pale sentinel]

even if he steps out of his dimension to attack if you hit him once he will just go to a different dimension grab a new president

you have to instantaneously kill the president

[flint blaze]

mih kills in almost no time due to time speeding up

[pale sentinel]

in almost no time, not instantaneous

[flint blaze]

you don't need to kill him instantaneously

[thick lagoon]

Tusk was able to overcome love train with infinite spin

[flint blaze]

as long as you kill him while disabling him to the point he cannot get in between two things, you are fine

[thick lagoon]

So shouldn't ger be able to do the same

[flint blaze]

or just kill him fast enough that he cannot go to another dimension in time

[pale sentinel]

diego and hot pants vs valentine begs to differ

[pale sentinel]

you need infinite rotation to access the pocket dimension

[pale sentinel]

diego slit his throat and he was still able to goto a different dimension

[flint blaze]

he wouldn't die fast enough

[hoary bear]

Soft and Wet Go Beyond could bypass GER, WOU and Love Train

[flint blaze]

not ger

[pale sentinel]

not ger or love train

[hoary bear]

How can GER revert it to zero when it doesn't exist in that realm?

[pale sentinel]

because GER reverts the actions of the user

[hoary bear]

He can revert Josuke's action of shooting it, but the bubble would remain

[thick lagoon]

^

I agree

[gleaming peak]

The bubble uses it's spin to exist but not exist at the same time to slap Giorno.

[hoary bear]

Like, if i shot a gun, he could revert me to before i shoot the gun, but the bullet would still be where it was and propelling towards GER. Now, just replace me and the gun with Josuke and the bullet with the bubble

[gleaming peak]

Nah the bullet would go back

the bullet's a loser scrub bullet that can't transcend reality.

[hoary bear]

I'm using it as a metaphor for Go Beyond

[gleaming peak]

What do you think this is, Applebees?

Nah with the gun it'd go back

[hoary bear]

Obviously

[gleaming peak]

with the bubble it probably will not.

[thick lagoon]

The bullet exists in reality so it can be reversed

[hoary bear]

That's what I'm trying to say

[thick lagoon]

Mistas bullets were reversed by ger

[thick lagoon]

Oh ok

[gleaming peak]

well your metaphor fails because the bullet exists in reality as @thick lagoon typed before I could which upsets me extremely.

[hoary bear]

The bullet example wouldn't work, but i was trying to make it easier to understand as GB

[pale sentinel]

that wasnt mistas bulelts being reverted. that was more the time skip ability of Diavolo not happening

[hoary bear]

Just pretend that in my example, the bullet has infinite rotation

[pale sentinel]

we dont know if the bubbles have infinite rotation

[hoary bear]

Using the same logic as i have been for Josuke, Tusk Act 4 could theoretically bypass GER's ability

[flint blaze]

had to reread the fight, this was because they were in a train car where there are obviously a lot of objects

[gleaming peak]

why not just say the bubble

why bring up the gun example at all

[hoary bear]

We don't? I thought it was stated that they so

[gleaming peak]

You're banned

[minor ore]

Reading comprehension

[flint blaze]

it wouldn't as the action of him shooting it has been reverted entirely. The effect being the firing of Go Beyond or even Go Beyond hitting Ger is reverted

[pale sentinel]

your favorite stand loses to GER

[pale sentinel]

remember that diego destroyed everything so he couldnt do that

[thick lagoon]

I agree

[hoary bear]

But he can't revert the bubble🗿

Probably not anyway

[minor ore]

The bubbles doesn’t exist you can’t stop something that doesn’t exist inshallah

[thick lagoon]

It was said the strings were spinning infinitely to the point where they were close to zero

[gleaming peak]

You'd have to like

[hoary bear]

Exactly

[gleaming peak]

not exist but exist at the same time

Like Tusk and Jesus

[hoary bear]

Yeah

[flint blaze]

He inadvertently destroyed a pitcher causing valentine to use that to go to another dimension

[flint blaze]

He can revert actions. Shooting GB=action. Reverted

[gleaming peak]

Imagine being Funny Valentine and you survive and have a kid

And the kid's stand is awful.

What a letdown

[flint blaze]

It doesn’t happen

[thick lagoon]

So just to make sure, d4c love train would be able beat ger due to the pocket dimension, right?

[flint blaze]

No

[hoary bear]

He can revert the action, but he can't affect the bubble

[gleaming peak]

Valentine going to another universe can be reversed

He can basically slap Funny into a chair

[flint blaze]

By reverting the action, he reverts the bubble as the bubble is the effect

[thick lagoon]

So does ger reverse the pocket dimension then?

[flint blaze]

No

[hoary bear]

No, because the bubble is infinitely spinning to the point wear it doesn't exist in that realm or dimension or whatever

[gleaming peak]

I feel like with the bubble, it goes beyond, so it won't be affected by things that follow the laws of reality.

I mean, you can dodge it I'm sure.

[hoary bear]

Yep

And Josuke can aim it well

[flint blaze]

It both exists and doesn’t exist. Also it’s not infinitely spinning, it’s just small

[hoary bear]

But, if he can land the bubble, it's game over for Giorno

[hoary bear]

The threads are spinning

[gleaming peak]

I'm pretty sure Rai mentioned it's like infinitely spinning threads

[flint blaze]

Yes

[flint blaze]

He didn’t say that

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-dodge-luffy-anime-gif-15981494

[gleaming peak]

Like how Norisuke IV probably infinitely thinks he should have had Joshuu aborted

[hoary bear]

He did

[thick lagoon]

I think he would have to fire multiple, since tooru managed to survive multiple shots before dying

[gleaming peak]

Okay why am I getting two contradictory answers

[flint blaze]

Idk

[gleaming peak]

Either neither of you read the manga or is the manga like the bubble where it does and does not exist.

[flint blaze]

He never said they’re infinitely spinning just that they’re supposedly infinitely small

[gleaming peak]

you know what chapter did he comment on the bubbles

let's just look it up

[flint blaze]

No

[hard meteor]

104 or 103

[hoary bear]

I would agree, but i think Tooru being a rock human was the main reason he survived the first shot

A wound like that should kill a regular human

But then again, this is JoJo and people survive being turned into swiss cheese

[flint blaze]

Either way, ger reverts the effect of actions. Shooting out go beyond is an action. It gets reverted. The bubble wouldn’t “keep going.” It gets reverted.

[hoary bear]

It wouldn't be reverted, because the bubbles don't follow the laws of nature or logic

[thick lagoon]

Yeah and they dont exist in reality

[flint blaze]

It would be reverted as rtz can be infinite as far as we know

[random sedge]

I wonder if time stop would work on the bubbles they are indeed working on the bullshit power called spin

[flint blaze]

Maybe even beyond

[flint blaze]

They do. That’s the reason they “don’t follow logic.” Because they both exist and don’t exist.

[hoary bear]

"As far as we know" it's possible, but there is no basis for such a statement whatsoever

[flint blaze]

Diavolo’s death loop

[hoary bear]

But that isn't unnatural, as in it's there

But the bubbles aren't

[gleaming peak]

This is going nowhere

[flint blaze]

They are

[gleaming peak]

Let's talk about how lucky Joshuu is to only have a baby arm

Otherwise he was fine

[hoary bear]

Damn, this is hard to explain lmao

[hard meteor]

every ger convo goes nowhere lmao

[flint blaze]

And why does this even matter?

[hoary bear]

Ain't that the truth lmao

[flint blaze]

True lol

[random sedge]

Poco loco could beat both of them

[hoary bear]

Because if it doesn't go beyond the limits of logic, being unnatural, it can't stop the bubbles

[hoary bear]

Here's the real discussion lmao

[flint blaze]

No cap

[hoary bear]

Wish i had Hey Ya ngl

Could use those nice comments

[gleaming peak]

no one wants to talk about Joshuu's luck

;--;

[random sedge]

You got this 👍

[hoary bear]

😄

[flint blaze]

No

[random sedge]

I hate that guy

[hoary bear]

Joshu is ight

Don't dislike him, but can't say he's a favourite of mine

He has a cool stand tho

[random sedge]

Stand was very underused

[hoary bear]

Yh

Such a shame

He did use it well when he did tho

Got a taste of queen Hato's ears🥵

[random sedge]

I forgot how he took off his tongue

[gleaming peak]

But I mean

he did the exchange

and only lost his arm in a way

that's pretty darn lucky if you consider all the other results

[hoary bear]

And his face got fucked up, but that was temporary

And he still has the baby arm, so maybe it'll grow

[random sedge]

Is it just me, or were many of the stands in part 8 just not that powerful

[hard meteor]

half of them are kinda shitty yeah

[hoary bear]

A lot of them were pretty weak, but they were used in ways that made up for it

[random sedge]

The only good ones are probably ozone baby, soft and wet, and wou

Maybe paisley park

[hoary bear]

Brainstorm

[hard meteor]

speed king and doobie wah were pretty strong too

[hoary bear]

Doggystyle is basically Stone Free minus ora ora

[random sedge]

What one is that?

[hoary bear]

Urban Guerilla's bacteria stand

[random sedge]

Ohhhh

Yeah that one was good

[hoary bear]

Vitamin C was decent

[random sedge]

What's doobie again?

[hard meteor]

the one yasuho and tsurugi fought

[hoary bear]

Paper Moon King is pretty good cause of the prosopragnosia

[hoary bear]

Dainenjiyama guy

The water vortex

[random sedge]

Ohhh

[livid shoal]

doobie wah was the tornado stand

[elfin tangle]

Rai's stand is weak

But resourceful to a degree

[hoary bear]

It was a budget Stone Free

[livid shoal]

with it you can peel your skin

nothing else

[gleaming peak]

That seems like the point. It’s all about how you use it.

[elfin tangle]

Every stand that belonged to an ally/neutral party (except Yasuho) was underused

[random sedge]

Speed king is kinda meh

[hoary bear]

This

[hard meteor]

its got one shot kill potential

[elfin tangle]

Meanwhile there's strong stands that still have fantastic creativity lmao

[livid shoal]

speed king can literally kill you by touching your neck

[hoary bear]

I love seeing mediocre stands being used in ways that make them huge threats

[random sedge]

Yeah, but it's got tiny tiny range

[elfin tangle]

Lots of powerful stands have iffy ranges

Doesn't make them any less of a threat, really

[hard meteor]

its ability can be applied in a long range setting

[elfin tangle]

^

[hard meteor]

like what he did to ojiro

[hoary bear]

Yep

[livid shoal]

jobin might touch somethig and throw it to you

[hoary bear]

The heat can travel, but Jobin needs to be within 10cm to heat you up first

It was either 10cm or touching, i don't remember

Once you get heated, you're done

[gleaming peak]

You know what was really underused

Rock Human Relations with Humans

[elfin tangle]

lmao

Man. What stand wasn't underutilized in Jojolion at this point (outside of the villains). We saw more of The Hand than Walking Heart, Nut King Call, King Nothing, and California King Bed combined 💀

[gleaming peak]

One of the rock humans got jacked

[hoary bear]

Yeah, where was the interspecies seggs😡

[gleaming peak]

This is a part not about the stands

But about a race war

and motherhood

[elfin tangle]

Which sucks as the stands are great

[gleaming peak]

Well too bad

[elfin tangle]

ok and?

[gleaming peak]

Nah not the sex just like all the ways humans can’t stand rock humans and vice versa

[vagrant fjord]

its a reaction not an action

[hoary bear]

Ik, i was joking

[hoary bear]

Wish this was gone into more

[vagrant fjord]

yo?

[thick lagoon]

So then ger would lose to wou if giorno kept deciding to pursue wou?

[elfin tangle]

No

[gleaming peak]

Aisho got everything jacked from him

[elfin tangle]

GER ignores any damage placed on Giorno. It's just a stalemate. WOU can't kill the pesky stand user but Giorno can't kill the pesky rock human

[gleaming peak]

It’s not fair he had to work hard to integrate into human society

[vagrant fjord]

exactly if he didnt pursue its a stalemate

since they both cannot approach each other

[gleaming peak]

Giorno isn’t a pursuer anyway

He’s more of a waiter

[elfin tangle]

Giorno doesn't lose no matter what, even if he pursues

[gleaming peak]

He’s not gonna bum rush like Gappy

[vagrant fjord]

he wouldnt lose but he would get hit

[valid cedar]

but giorno still has to attack to win

[gleaming peak]

But see with Aisho he lost all of his stuff

[elfin tangle]

No he woiuldn't, GER's revert to zero would ignore the damage.

But Giorno just can't win, but WOU can't kill him either

[vagrant fjord]

RTZ only activates as a result of an attack

[hoary bear]

I personally think it's a stalemate

[gleaming peak]

But then rock humans in general could be considered leeches on human society like with Yasuho and Tooru

[vagrant fjord]

Calamity is a direct result of Giorno attacking

[elfin tangle]

Calamity would count as an attack on Giorno as it would hurt him.

[vagrant fjord]

RTZ only activates in defensive situations

[gleaming peak]

You mean wanting to pursue

[vagrant fjord]

same thing clown

[gleaming peak]

No it’s not

[vagrant fjord]

yes it is

[gleaming peak]

That’s not how words work

[hoary bear]

Well yes, but actually no

[vagrant fjord]

but its a result of his actions not toorus

its a stalemate either way

so who cares

[thick lagoon]

So wou vs ger would be a stalemate and d4c would be able to beat wou but not ger?

[gleaming peak]

Attacking is different than pursuing

[elfin tangle]

Tooru specifically uses calamities as the main source of his stand ability.

GER and WOU is just two defensive stands that would block out any intent to attack each other

[vagrant fjord]

d4c also stalemates WOU

[hoary bear]

Pursuit as a word isn't the same as attack, but attacking would count as pursuit to WOU

[vagrant fjord]

yes

but calamity isnt his attack

he cant do it at will

only as a result of others actions

[gleaming peak]

But attacking is only a small part of pursuit

[thick lagoon]

Doesnt lovetrain redirect misfortune

[hoary bear]

Yes, according to WOU

[gleaming peak]

So it’s better to say pursuit

[hoary bear]

Yes

[vagrant fjord]

in a way but its not related to WOU

[gleaming peak]

Since no one wants to talk about rock human and human relations...

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[random sedge]

Idk but love train is a bop

[junior coral]

Are we still talking about Wonder of U and GER

[gleaming peak]

Apparently

[junior coral]

Bruh it's been like two hours

[vagrant fjord]

idk why they keep bringing it up

[gleaming peak]

I wanted to talk about race relations and white people said no

[vagrant fjord]

its a stalemate

[elfin tangle]

Not only did GER stop King Crimson's direct punch attack, but it also completely negated time skip, which can count as not a direct attack. But GER ignored it anyway.

By that logic. If the entire ability of KC's time skip got ignored even if it wasn't a direct attack, then GER should not be hurt by anything calamity throws at him. It'd just be a stalemate no matter what each party does.

[hoary bear]

We stopped, disccused other things, but it's back again

[vagrant fjord]

bro u keep saying u want races to fuck shush

[junior coral]

man wtf

[gleaming peak]

I didn’t say anything about that

[vagrant fjord]

TS was counted as an attack towards giorno

[gleaming peak]

Relations doesn’t mean sex

[random sedge]

[vagrant fjord]

yeah but no one cares

[gleaming peak]

I care

[vagrant fjord]

who else?

[gleaming peak]

I am one Clown

[hoary bear]

Istg, bringing up GER in a JoJo conversation is the top speedrun strat to hour long debates that go absolutely fucking nowhere

[random sedge]

Boi stop bein a dick

[vagrant fjord]

he keeps bringing it up

[gleaming peak]

I already addressed apparently no one cares

[vagrant fjord]

so I tell him the truth

[gleaming peak]

I am a sad clown about it

[vagrant fjord]

also yeah its a stalemate lets just leave it at that

[gleaming peak]

That was the whole point of the pepe gif

[vagrant fjord]

no more GER vs WOU

[hoary bear]

Lmao

[thick lagoon]

Lol

[gleaming peak]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-tears-broken-gif-15062040

[elfin tangle]

Why wouldn't stuff calamity throws at GER count when it clearly intends to hurt Giorno? The entire point of the ability is to bring harm on anyone that WOU deems is "pursuing" and bringing harm = attack on Giorno

It's just a stalemate.

GER can't attack WOU, but WOU can't fuck over GER if Giorno "pursues" as calamities are "attacks"

also no but ok

[gleaming peak]

I can’t believe no one wants to discuss the rock humans

[vagrant fjord]

no

[elfin tangle]

yes

[hoary bear]

I do

[vagrant fjord]

I meant as just stop

[gleaming peak]

Arguably one of the best concepts to come out of JoJo’s that is not a Stand

[vagrant fjord]

this isnt gonna go anywhere

[elfin tangle]

[gleaming peak]

Look

[junior coral]

Any discussion involving GER never goes anywhere

Pointless

[vagrant fjord]

^^

as much as I love arguing

[gleaming peak]

We can just fly you two out to a neutral location, @elfin tangle and @vagrant fjord and have you two fight it out.

[elfin tangle]

Accurate to the ability ig

We never reach the truth of any discussion with GER

[hoary bear]

Would you guys rather be a rock human or human irl?