jojolion

[queen cypress]

even tho they always happen

[gleaming peak]

Araki never forgets is just something that got pushed into the meme ether so now people just assume that's the extreme norm. Sort of like Goku being a bad dad.

[elfin tangle]

L

[cinder pewter]

that wouldnt work.... it works because it was just a flashback to fill in a small gap

[tame plover]

we see her "comatosed" when they talk about the rokakakas

[deep jasper]

And then Araki will pull the Holly dies of a heart attack next week

[gleaming peak]

Holly dies of brain tumors

[dry vale]

Probably come back in 9

[gleaming peak]

is more fitting

[near cedar]

yes, what i get from that is, we can't save her, she gon die, sadge

[elfin tangle]

Doubt

[queen cypress]

wait

[crimson ocean]

Unfortunately

[elfin tangle]

Josuke mentions that they could find one from "lands on the south"

[lime jolt]

It has been a ten year journey

[queen cypress]

did we go through a part without a dog getting brutally murdered

[gleaming peak]

The worst thing about the ending is more Josefumi's mom loving her son.

[lavish widget]

Part 8.2

[gleaming peak]

Yes pretty much

[near cedar]

ah yes... sequel bait....

[lime jolt]

A dog gets wounded, but I don't remember if it dies

[gleaming peak]

That's a tough sell

The only dog is iwasuke

[lavish widget]

That rock dog, didnt die but ya know

[elfin tangle]

Jojo Lands time, we're stuck with the stupid save Holly plot pog

[gleaming peak]

and he does not perish

[lavish widget]

Kinda brutal

[gleaming peak]

I mean he might WANT to die

[lime jolt]

Also it's a "dog"

[near cedar]

part 2, part 5, part 6, part 8

[dry vale]

Part 3 alt universe

[near cedar]

part 7 (?)

[mystic pier]

Tbh rokakaka could still be a thing in part 9, I don’t hate that idea

[lime jolt]

A dog dies in part 2, but it's not murdered

[elfin tangle]

Part 3 may be mid to people but at least there we handled the save Holly plot in a singular part so it was over and done with

Rip for the people who wanted Part 9 to be its own thing

[queen cypress]

part 3 was good

its a solid part

[lime jolt]

Kars saves a dog, then there's a 50 year timeskip

[dry vale]

Lmfak

[kind owl]

@dry vale, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[lime jolt]

So that dog does not survive the part

[remote narwhal]

The fact that we didn't get an answer to who flashback man was kinda makes sense considering the theme of Josuke's identity being his own individual, not tied to memories and people of the past. I don't think that Araki had this in mind but to me it's kinda like Josuke's savoir from Part 4, it doesn't really matter if it was a dropped plot point related to Bites the Dust or just a random fun fact, but it doesn't really matter to the story

[gleaming peak]

Part 9 of Jojo starts with Joshuu watching the avengers and wanting to rape scarjo

[lavish widget]

Another girl jojo when

[tame plover]

Josuke part 9 protag looking for rokakakas for holly

[dry vale]

U never know it could be something completly fckin different

[near cedar]

You know "t h e m e s" don't excuse dropping plot points

[queen cypress]

it aint that deep

he just doesnt matter

[elfin tangle]

Josuke's savior makes more sense, they were entirely treated as someone for Josuke to learn from and base himself on. Mr. Flashback doesn't have this set conclusion we can write him off with

[lavish widget]

That one baby is the next jojo lets go

[queen cypress]

idc abt flashback man, never did

i forgot he even existed until ppl brought him up

[tame plover]

this^

[gleaming peak]

Depends.

[dry vale]

Damn, this was a really good point, u sold me on this

[gleaming peak]

The real question is

[elfin tangle]

Of course people who follow JJL are going to care about something built up. It was well done and had people hyped

[deep jasper]

Was flashback man really all that important to people

[near cedar]

it does not

[lime jolt]

Is Mr Flashback the face that Josuke remembers, and he thinks he'll be important?

[elfin tangle]

Mr. Flashback was a dumb plot hole

[cinder pewter]

people judge things way too fast bruh, just enjoy it

[kind owl]

@cinder pewter, Your Stand Rank is now level 7 !

[tame plover]

I like JJL a lost but man it has many flaws

[left plover]

do people really think Josuke's just going to be the protag for Part 9 too? Literally every single part has had a new JoJo, why would that change now?

[gleaming peak]

Will Gappy's kid have four eyes or just two

[deep jasper]

It could’ve been something mundane like Josuke remembering a movie

[queen cypress]

flash forward was dumber

[gleaming peak]

It does*

[tame plover]

he would be normal..

[near cedar]

It doesn't

[gleaming peak]

I hope so

[mystic pier]

I agree with the sentiment here, no casual reader had ever given a shit about the flashback man, not that that means others are wrong to do so but just that if never mattered to me either

[tame plover]

either Kira's or Josefumi's child

[gleaming peak]

It would be funny if the kid was a mutant like Gappy tho

[near cedar]

Fucking writing something and then throwing it in the garbage during the story

[elfin tangle]

Not caring for the man doesn't make it not an issue

[near cedar]

It's stupid

[gleaming peak]

Is that what happened?

[kind owl]

@gleaming peak, Your Stand Rank is now level 5 !

[lime jolt]

It's an Araki forgot

[gleaming peak]

Or are you just being hyperbolic to whine?

[cinder pewter]

everything has flaws my guy, jojo isnt made by god, its going to have mistakes

[lime jolt]

Unironically

[near cedar]

Yes

[elfin tangle]

It's an entire character that had set up to Josuke. It was great only to not exist

[remote narwhal]

No it doesn't excuse dropped plot points but it's just another way to look at the story now that it's over

[deep jasper]

Was it though?

[queen cypress]

flashback man was early enough for me to not care

[tame plover]

yes but I mean, many flaws/ plotholes

[deep jasper]

Fugo was a dropped character

[cinder pewter]

not really lmao, araki just didnt want to go in that direction

[queen cypress]

stuff like the flash forward are awkward tho

[mystic pier]

Sure it isn’t

[cinder pewter]

exaggeration lmao

[deep jasper]

Araki has shown he will drop characters if he doesn’t want to do anything with it

[near cedar]

Look at all the dropped plot points

All the crossed out ones

[gleaming peak]

Iunno seems more like people whinin' than worth all this

[queen cypress]

yh but fugo was sent off

[tame plover]

@cinder pewter

[hard meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[queen cypress]

he wasnt just forgotten

[near cedar]

He wrote it, so he should role with it, not fucking drop shit, he should plan out the fucking story before writing it

[lime jolt]

It hurts

[gleaming peak]

Dang Eriksonn a bit mad, gotta chill.

[cinder pewter]

you just dont understand how writing works and you've just proven it, stay mad about it ig?

[deep jasper]

Araki had the whole traitor thing set up for Fugo but didn’t want to

[elfin tangle]

Fugo didn't just disappear with no ending or things we can be satisfied with.

Fugo refused to throw himself away for a girl he didn't know. So he stayed away.

Mr. Flashback had set up and was treated as someone important for Josuke's memories only to vanish with no conclusion we can give him.

[near cedar]

What

[left plover]

I sub to the belief that flashback was early-Damo

[hard meteor]

nah

[lime jolt]

There are multiple ways of writing

[crimson ocean]

Man thats pains me.

[gleaming peak]

Imagine if that was Damo tho LMFAO

[tame plover]

do.. do you know?

[left plover]

it probably wasn't but it makes sense enough for me to not give a shit about it

[hard meteor]

damo didnt do know or recognize josuke or vice versa

[gleaming peak]

"I became fat and bald

[feral saffron]

I'm not sure how to feel about the ending

[hard meteor]

flashback man was just a dropped character

[lime jolt]

Some people plan everything in advance, some don't

[gleaming peak]

Toriyama didn't plan anything in advance.

[queen cypress]

yh but he wld recognise josefumi

[mystic pier]

I was more annoyed by giorno not showing up in part 6 after pucci said dio’s sons all had an instinct to come to him than any of he dropped plot points in jojolion tbh

[echo wave]

So why did araki decide to not write out all the plot points

[queen cypress]

considering he killed them

[tame plover]

flashback man was just dropped off a hill

[lime jolt]

Correct.

[lavish widget]

Why even come up with those plot points in the first place

[elfin tangle]

Mr. Flashback is the only case of a character serving no purpose with no conclusion

[near cedar]

You mean, the fucker, in who's series death has literally no meaning

[queen cypress]

tbf only 3 of dios kids went to pucci

and those 3 had no future

[lavish widget]

And that story is a clusterfuck of retcons

[crimson ocean]

This part could've be fitted from being better thought out. & I thought monthly schedule would help it

[deep jasper]

He was no where near that important, it just seemed important because Josuke had no memory

[hard meteor]

he didnt even realize he was half of josefumi until norisuke told him

[lime jolt]

Togashi doesn't plan either

[fallow sand]

why didnt araki just finish all of JoJolion in one sitting grrrr grrrrr

[gleaming peak]

Which series? He has a lot.

[queen cypress]

giorno and presumably many other of dios kids are independant

[near cedar]

Dragon Ball

[simple belfry]

Lmao jojolion chat is always active

[cinder pewter]

this has been said several times smh, writers want to go in a direction then change later on. remember jojolion was being made for 10 years... theres going to be changes smh.

[gleaming peak]

But it does?

[queen cypress]

death stopped mattering after king picollo

[kind owl]

@queen cypress, Your Stand Rank is now level 6 !

[near cedar]

Character dies
who the fuck cares they'll be revived

[hard meteor]

ok but that still doesnt make them any less of a retcon

[lime jolt]

He could have written an outline tho

[gleaming peak]

Death continued to matter

[deep jasper]

Literally Araki has never always fully explained every single plot point, he changes his mind, he forgets

[near cedar]

Hahahaha

[echo wave]

araki forgot ig

[lavish widget]

Legit death has no meaning in dragon ball

[queen cypress]

piccolos death shldve mattered until namek

[lime jolt]

Death matters to the characters, but the audience realizes it shouldn't

[elfin tangle]

The other sons had no future. Giorno was never burdened by DIO's legacy and did his thing to leave a positive influence on the world. He had no reason to be dragged to Pucci's bs

[lime jolt]

They talk about it in DBZA

[gleaming peak]

And now Jump breaks into Toriyama's house and beat him up to make Super

[lavish widget]

Afterlife exists and can return to the land of the living whenever

[long hound]

hamon beat on suicide watch rn

[gleaming peak]

Oh yeah, DBZA. Meh.

People watch DBZA and act like it's the end all of dragon ball.

[near cedar]

what

[queen cypress]

dbza isnt canon its legit fan made

[cinder pewter]

did i ever say it did or didnt?

[elfin tangle]

A character with no memories remembering a face with said character looking shook was supreme setup.

[queen cypress]

it has no basis in a discussion abt db

[gleaming peak]

Exactly.

[near cedar]

I'm not talking about dbza....

[gleaming peak]

Exactly my point, Dignity.

[near cedar]

I'm talking about Dbz

[lime jolt]

If there's a confirmed afterlife, and a way to easily return people to life, death shouldn't matter

[tame plover]

Cant wait to see how much headcannon hamon beat can cram into a video when making "Araki forgot: part 8 Jojolion"

[gleaming peak]

But who said I was talking to you??

Eriksonn read better plz

[mystic pier]

Maybe he was just some guy who walked past josukes naked body buried under ground and left him before yasuho showed up

[lime jolt]

Although it does matter to the characters in DBZ, it shouldn't

And they talk about that in DBZA, and it's funny

[gleaming peak]

I wish Goku stayed dead in Buu Saga but nooooooo

[elfin tangle]

Hamon Beat had legitimate points in all of his other videos but if he tries to rapidly defend everything in Part 8, that video's gonna be a fumble

[hard meteor]

lmao hes gonna make up some bullshit

[gleaming peak]

Who tf is Hamon Beat

[lavish widget]

"Nice balls" and he left

[near cedar]

He had a few bs points to

[cinder pewter]

some people also fail to realise, plot points dont always have to be explained instantly, there have been plot points explained in later parts...

[queen cypress]

i think araki forgot is overstated but it really applies to part 8

[neon moss]

well, he does his job very well actually. I think he'll come up with good explainations for Jojolion as well

[gleaming peak]

It could be araki forgot or an editor saying to just drop it.

People forget manga is a team effort.

[deep jasper]

A lot of those plot points aren’t Araki forgot

[midnight spear]

guys can someone explain what the guardrail was i still don't really get it

[kind owl]

@midnight spear, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[elfin tangle]

Oh boy, the mystical editor lol

[deep jasper]

It’s straight up stupid to care about it

[fierce schooner]

Josuke's plundering is going to be the new universe's Star finger

[near cedar]

rock animal probably

[gleaming peak]

It was clearly a rock guard rail

[elfin tangle]

Some random rock animal

[feral saffron]

So was the guardrail some sort of rock human

[midnight spear]

aight, thanks

[gleaming peak]

It was Tooru, actually

[queen cypress]

it was a guard rail that gibbed people and kept them alive by bundling their organs together

[gleaming peak]

He just wanted to bang an old lady.

[neon moss]

Most of them are fans forgot

[deep jasper]

Rock animal, probably had camo on

[mint bramble]

Idk it was a rock animal but we don’t know any thing else for sure

[fierce schooner]

Guard rail was protecting the forest Tooru was harvestumg

[gleaming peak]

Good ol' Tooru

and his musty ass outfit

Boy stay stinky

is anyone gonna answer what the heck is hamon beat

[hard meteor]

not always the case and with jojolion it wouldnt even be possible since the new rokaka doesnt even exist anymore,so half of the plot points cant even be resolved

[mystic pier]

It’s not not like araki actually forgot he just decided not to resolve all the plot points, he’s still a great writer who makes enjoyable stories and almost everyone here will definitely be reading part 9 because araki is the 🐐

[gleaming peak]

Biribiri is right

[tame plover]

in previous episodes he does also insert headcannon and points out of nowhere. The guy doesnt suck but he definitly take defeat when he can make jojo fans look like idiots. And of course from the other videos ive seen he also adds headcannon saying as if its cannon. But overall he is ok except for the planet size ego and times he headcannons hard and passes as cannon

[lime jolt]

A YouTube who defends plot holes with in-universe explanations

[midnight spear]

a youtuber

[gleaming peak]

Ew

[queen cypress]

yh im gnna read p9 but i hope araki keeps the plot simple by jojo standards

[lime jolt]

The explanations are often tenuous

[deep jasper]

Like the photo plot point is stupid, who cares when they took the photo

[gleaming peak]

I forgot people have careers about doing stuff like that

[fierce schooner]

To his credit most debunks are valid and spelled out right in the source

[midnight spear]

i kinda like him, but he does often say things i disagree with

[gleaming peak]

I'm not watching them but if I see them in public I will throw fruit at them.

[tame plover]

good

[gleaming peak]

Especially Hamon Beat.

It's poetic.

[deep jasper]

Araki forgot debunking is good though since a lot of misinfo likes making the realms

[gleaming peak]

I'm a small man

But I'll try.

[deep jasper]

Like taking out Fugo because he’s too strong, or Josuke’s savior being a scrapped time plot

[tame plover]

throw all the fruits and vegetables you have

[gleaming peak]

No it has to stay fruits it's fitting for part 8

[deep igloo]

Just read 8 chapters to catch up today and.. wow

[gleaming peak]

Higashikata FRUIT

[rocky charm]

||Yes, snakes and guard dogs are, in fact, living things. Dumbo.||

[flint blaze]

like?

[gleaming peak]

Why does an old lady have arrows

Why is DIO gay but not

[fierce schooner]

I think the most egregious ones are where Hamon beat has to postulate something that Araki never made clear. While he himself says the fans are wrong to postulate and assume what Araki was doing.

[gleaming peak]

He had a melanin infused boyfriend

[tame plover]

I think its a joke but he is reffering to the guardrail

[queen cypress]

dios flesh buds but thats more like expanding on them

[lime jolt]

No, I heard he totally says that in some interview that no one can ever find!

[flint blaze]

yeah he's not perfect but he's pretty good at explaining a lot of things

[rocky charm]

||Ah, fuck, she must've transmuted her son and lost a portion of her insides to the truth||

[rocky charm]

Yeah very much a joke

[lime jolt]

There was some good body-horror in this chapter

[flint blaze]

that isn't a plot hole

[gleaming peak]

At least Lucy didn't die to Tooru

[rocky charm]

Ugh, don't you hate it when that happens.

[kind owl]

@rocky charm, Your Stand Rank is now level 15 !

[tame plover]

he is bi

[gleaming peak]

I would have been sad if Lucy died to Tooru

[flint blaze]

yeah

[deep jasper]

That’s fair

[fierce schooner]

idk why in some panels her wrinkles straight up disappear

[remote narwhal]

The main problem besides the dropped plot points to me is Tooru as the main villain. He appeared way to far into the story and isn't exactly interesting as a character. Wonder of U is incredible and the battle with him is great but beside that he pales compared to the other main villains

[prisma lintel]

this chapter was very anti climactic but its not bad

[tame plover]

it was cool

[mystic pier]

Lung cancer killed way more people than tooru tbh

[queen cypress]

yh out of all antags hes the most underwhelming

[lime jolt]

That's a good panel

[deep jasper]

Tooru is a bad main villain for sure

[gleaming peak]

Lung cancer, the true Stand

[lime jolt]

10/10

[deep jasper]

It’s like Diavolo but worse

[gleaming peak]

Tooru's powers and methods make him interesting

and him dancing to an elvis song

[lime jolt]

Tooru is a bad main villain for sure

[deep jasper]

Especially coming from Valentine

[deep igloo]

I mean JJL doesn't really have a main villain, per se. The part was about solving the mysteries of... well, everything, and they just happened to lead to Tooru, y'know?

[mystic pier]

Tooru wouldve eliminates lung cancer with the Rokakaka if he was given time

[vagrant fjord]

Torus stand carries him far too hard for him to be a good villain

[rocky charm]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[prisma oxide]

||i wasn't much of a fan of the final 2 panels but it explained josefumi's birthmark lol||

[lavish widget]

Atleast diavolo had build up the entire part

[fierce schooner]

Literally King Crimson again, but even worse. I would have preferred Satoru Akefu being the real user instead of Tooru. I thought Tooru would be Doppia to Satoru's Diavolo

[lime jolt]

||Joubin could have been interesting||

[deep jasper]

Tooru coukdve essentially been the same since they’re both guys working in the shadows

[gleaming peak]

HE GOT HIS HERMIT

[cinder pewter]

josuke literally says it could exist

[deep igloo]

yea, just not in their region

[lavish widget]

The true main antagonist that never was

[gleaming peak]

I enjoyed Tooru but he isn't as fun as Funny Valentine. He's way more low key.

Or Loki.

[lime jolt]

Maybe the real main antagonist was the friends we made along the way

[kind owl]

@lime jolt, Your Stand Rank is now level 7 !

[deep jasper]

I think Tooru should’ve been played more like Kira

[near cedar]

OH Caro reactions ? Let's gooooo

[gleaming peak]

In a way, yes.

[near cedar]

[mystic pier]

Would barely call tooru a main villain tbh

[prisma oxide]

i wouldn't say it was ass....I liked the ending it was just lacking at certain points

[deep jasper]

Where he’s always this looming presence throughout the part

[tame plover]

but the rokakakas still exist since they come from other ahem lands

[remote narwhal]

I think Diavolo is much better as a character. I know he also gets criticized because he appears at the climax of the story, but we know he's going to be the main antagonist since the beginning and we learn bits of his story throughout all of part 5, and he's very much active in the entire second half of the story

[fierce schooner]

Tooru just wanted to farm and marry a trad wife.

[queen cypress]

damo was better than tooru

[hard meteor]

and thats regualr rokakaka,not the new one josefumi grafted,which kaato also destroyed

[gleaming peak]

Tooru isn't really a main villain, @mystic pier is correct.

[hard meteor]

which tooru then says is the last of its kind

[prisma oxide]

the ending actually lowkey made me feel for daiya

[mystic pier]

The main villain was the curse on tsurugi

[feral saffron]

Miles better

[gleaming peak]

the main villain was morioh is just cursed now

[prisma oxide]

you just said it was ass-

[rocky charm]

||I can now safely say that Doctor Who, Supernatural, and Jojo all have an epic scene which involves ramming a car into something. Poggers.||

[alpine whale]

Just read new chapter i am shock

[fierce schooner]

Bro remember when people thought Tsurugi was the main villian

[gleaming peak]

Morioh is just fucking cursed

[neon moss]

Agreed. Valentine had that villanous charisma as well. I was sweating every time he appeared on the pages.

[rocky charm]

110: ||KURAKKA BORII||

[mystic pier]

Wait he isn’t?

[rocky charm]

OK.

[gleaming peak]

I mean part 3...

[near cedar]

yeets it away

[hard meteor]

i know,but the ones needed to break the curse dont exist anymore as tooru says

[gleaming peak]

He was also a fun president in fiction

[rocky charm]

Nah, that's a villain. Doesn't count.

[gleaming peak]

Valentine was a fun guy

[lavish widget]

Kinda lame design for it tbh, well the head atleast

[kind owl]

@lavish widget, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !

[vocal mason]

||This would have been a good ending if the flash forward wasn't in the manga||

[prisma oxide]

||what its josephs stand name anyway|| JJL 110

[minor ore]

crrrrrrrrrrrACKER BOLLEY

[deep jasper]

I do think it’s unfair to compare one of Jojo’s top tier villains to Tooru

[fierce schooner]

Also did Yasuho never mention the fact that Mitsuba tried to fucking left her to die to Josuke before Josuke went in to join the faamily to eat cake?

[gleaming peak]

And he also looks a lot like Arin Hanson which adds many points to the villain factor

[near cedar]

Wrong reply? Cuz i was talking about him throwing the ||Kurakka borri!|| away

[mystic pier]

Valentines son was funnier tbf

[deep jasper]

Tooru is a better villain than Kars

[hard meteor]

i guess not

[deep jasper]

Though that’s a low bar

[gleaming peak]

What but Kars

[hard meteor]

its kinda weird how that gets ignored but eh

[near cedar]

That's the fun part, we don't know

[lean niche]

Nobody tops Valentine in my eyes

[gleaming peak]

He has the abs

[queen cypress]

nah kars is better

[near cedar]

And by fun i mean goddamn it araki

[gleaming peak]

HE HAS THE ABS @deep jasper

[deep jasper]

[rocky charm]

Yeah I was trying to reply to the guy saying Part 3

[queen cypress]

kars has ultimate life form meme on his side

[prisma oxide]

yes

[mystic pier]

Tooru has cute teddy bears though

[lavish widget]

I guess thats why she made that face looking back at the family at the end

[gleaming peak]

I saw a lot of more subtle things in Tooru.

Which made him a lot of fun

[deep jasper]

I think having Tooru from the beginning would’ve made him a better villain

[rocky charm]

110: ||Whoa, it him||

[deep igloo]

Tooru's not meant to be a main villain, this part wasn't about a central villain it was about discovering Josuke's backstory and resolving the curse on the Higashikata family

[gleaming peak]

It's also a great choice for the villain after Valentine be a lowkey guy

[kind owl]

@deep igloo, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[deep jasper]

Hell he could’ve posed as part of the main crew

[gleaming peak]

Exactly.

[mystic pier]

JJL might be better in anime form 50 years now

[gleaming peak]

Imagine if the part 8 anime just has Tooru walking around in random scenes

[deep jasper]

A reversal of what Araki normally does

[gleaming peak]

And no one comments on it

[neon moss]

Tooru was too chill of a villain

[fierce schooner]

How does Yasuho feel about the family at this point, Joshuu tried to take advantage of her, Tsurugi kept on feeling her up, Daiya probably hates her, and Mitsuba and Jobin almost killed her. Honestly she must be fuming that Josuke is just casually eating desert with that family

[deep jasper]

The villain turned friend could’ve been the friend who was the secret villain

[gleaming peak]

Well she doesn't join them on cake voting so

[rocky charm]

110: ||lmaooo we actually got another "he later died of a cold"||

[scenic python]

Tooru walking compilation #329

[lavish widget]

Hope they just cut all the shit that didnt end up mattering

[deep igloo]

Yasuho seemed happy that Josuke finally found people he could call family and was accepted

[brazen vale]

Why does Araki do this

[fierce schooner]

At least she lived her life

[elfin tangle]

:/

[lime jolt]

Moonwalking Tooru plz

[gleaming peak]

Yes exactly. Like when Damo dies, you see Tooru in the crowd of people just walking by.

[deep igloo]

Wait really

[fierce schooner]

Our girl deserved better, Araki "I just want Josuke and Yasuho to by happy" my ass

[gleaming peak]

Which would have been a nice manga de-

UNLESS

[deep igloo]

oh im dumb

[gleaming peak]

No I'm saying what if the anime adds that

[deep jasper]

Like imagine had Tooru been a friend from the beginning

[kind owl]

@deep jasper, Your Stand Rank is now level 6 !

[deep igloo]

Yeah that'd be sick

[lime jolt]

That would be a very good addition

[gleaming peak]

Imagine if Tooru was always there when they visited Holly

[deep jasper]

They find the new rokakaka and he causes a calamity and betrays Josuke

[lime jolt]

Imagine if there was foreshadowing

[bronze axle]

Rock Humans is just one big antagonist.

[gleaming peak]

And Tooru is helpful but in his mind he's like "I'm gonna kill this bitch"

[vagrant fjord]

biggest problem with the finale

[lavish widget]

"The stand user could be anyone"

[neon moss]

Wow! I almost forgot about the whole situation. Maybe that's why she just left...
I think she understands, but she doesn't want to have anything to do with the family anymore, especially with Joshu...

[vagrant fjord]

NO GODDAMN SMUT BETWEEN THE@

[deep jasper]

Would’ve been the coolest

[queen cypress]

the higashikatas besides norisuke and hato really are unlikeable people

[gleaming peak]

Well they are spoiled

Kids with money tend to be like that

[mystic pier]

Lol they could just add tooru everywhere like even right at the start having him in the distant background watching yasuho save josuke

[fierce schooner]

She has no one else to go back to, I mean what will she do reconcile with her mother?

[deep jasper]

You literally improve Tooru by making him a secret villain as a friend

[vagrant fjord]

joshu hate is acceptable now

ayo???????

[gleaming peak]

TOORU IS ON SHAKEDOWN ROAD

[queen cypress]

beyond being spoiled theyve got some loose screws

[gleaming peak]

Dignity like

[remote narwhal]

One of my problems with Kira in the manga is that he too kinda appeared halfway through the story, but once he's there he always steals the show. The fact that the anime added some scene with him in the background made him more of a threat

[rocky charm]

110: ||Wait hold up wasn't there a scene where the two of them met at a ball game and Yotsuyu introduced himself as the Fruit Parlor's architect? I remember making an edit of it.||

[gleaming peak]

have you met rich kids

[hard meteor]

yeah i wish the family got called out for they she was treated but it just sorta gets ignored

[neon moss]

She still has JOsuke

[winter sorrel]

I love jobin tho

[lean niche]

Joshu redemption arc

[teal widget]

No joshu slander on my watch

[prisma lintel]

josuke sigma grindset

[gleaming peak]

Okay I looked at the manga chapter where Damo died and literally no one with a fro is in the crowd

So Tooru was not there in the manga but could be there in the anime

[vagrant fjord]

honestly disappointed joshu didn’t get his moment

[rocky charm]

110: ||HEY ISN'T THAT JOSEFFUMI'S MILF||

[gleaming peak]

He did, though

[noble vigil]

HOLY SHIT JOJOLION IS OVER

[lime jolt]

I kept waiting for the Joshuu redemption arc

[vagrant fjord]

God so many things could of happened

[deep igloo]

Im disappointed Joshuu made it out alive ngl

[near cedar]

Joshu is a dickhead and i hate him, you can't change my mind

[gleaming peak]

Joshu is defined by simping for Yasuho, and he almost died simping @vagrant fjord

[fierce schooner]

Why redeem someone who is already perfect

[near cedar]

yes

[deep jasper]

Joshu should’ve died

[gleaming peak]

It's on you for expecting anything better, @vagrant fjord

[near cedar]

The "Joshu is perfect meme" needs to be as dead as Tooru

[deep jasper]

But I’ll be alright if he gets a redemption arc in part 9

[lime jolt]

Joshuu Requiem where he only has hair on the sides

[fierce schooner]

Guys I feel bad for Joshuu he lost his girlfriend

[winter sorrel]

I kinda don’t understand the ending where why they told josuke to pick the cake

[teal widget]

Character morally bad ≠ narratively bad

[gleaming peak]

He had a girlfriend

[old tendon]

Jojolion ended 😭

[neon moss]

I kept waiting for him to die

[mystic pier]

Joshu ending up with that freaky arm is no doubt going to give him a pretty fucked life from here on out

[deep jasper]

They’re accepting him into the family, and as such he should pick one

[tame plover]

goooood Erik.. goooooood

[gleaming peak]

Unless he can get a prosthetic I guess

[brazen vale]

Deserved

[vagrant fjord]

3<5<1<6<8<4<2<7 is my head canon after the ending of jojolion

[deep jasper]

He also helped save the family

[fierce schooner]

Will the ending be considered kino like part 6's ending years from now?

[gleaming peak]

which way is that

[winter sorrel]

Ohh that make soo much sense

[rocky charm]

110: ||You're fucking kidding me. Is that where he got the birthmark, too?||

[gleaming peak]

least to best?

[lime jolt]

8>7>6>5>4>3>2>1 easily

[deep jasper]

Considering Go Beyond is what injured Tooru enough for Kaato to do what she did

[brazen vale]

I sincerely hope not.

[vagrant fjord]

Yes

[mystic pier]

Joshu is josukes best brother now that jobin is dead tbf

[old tendon]

Just saw Joshuu's arm 😭

[gleaming peak]

Aw okay

[deep igloo]

7>6>4>8>5>3>2>1 for me I think

[gleaming peak]

I like part 1 a lot

[vagrant fjord]

lmfao

[rocky charm]

110: ||Ooh maybe they somehow knew and Josefumi's "birthmark" was a tattoo.||

[winter sorrel]

Thought Lucy is going to die from the rail

[gleaming peak]

But I also just really appreciate Jonathan as a character.

[near cedar]

He's too much of a dickhead for me to like him, i don't give a shit about how "narratively amazing best character Araki has eve written woifasejhfioajhio" he is, i hate him, just like i hate, Boingo, and Hol Horse, and many others

[gleaming peak]

Rather than the narrative itself.

[paper quail]

7>5>8>4>6>2>1>3 for me

[vagrant fjord]

Part 8 is OFFICALLY mid

[elfin tangle]

I just can't believe that I saw more of The Hand with a literal idiot using it than Space Trucking, Born This Way, Nut King Call, Walking Heart, King Nothing, Speed King, etc

Incredible. Thanks Araki.

[lean niche]

7>6=8>5>3>4>2>1

[gleaming peak]

I mean mid is nice after part 7

[lean niche]

I can’t tell if I like 6 or 8 more

[winter sorrel]

Hmm

[deep igloo]

ngl i loved this last arc, made me like JJL a lot more than I had previously

[vagrant fjord]

he just had so much potential with this part and just dropped it

[teal widget]

Fair, but that doesn’t stop other people from liking him

[near cedar]

Caro actually makes a theory for this which could be almost credible!

[gleaming peak]

Araki: You're welcome.

[lavish widget]

Hey, it makes for a cool gimmick power to solve the current problem

[fierce schooner]

I know Josuke says there is no hope for Holly without the Rokakaka, but technically, in the middle of the ocean there is one rokakaka that fell from Yotsuyu's pocket

[rocky charm]

110: ||That's not how that works oh my Giorno her eye is in the wrong spot oh Dio oh fuck what the Calamity||

[mystic pier]

7>5>4>8>6>3>2>1

[paper quail]

Part 8 for me is simultaneously the best and worst jojo part tbh like sometimes while reading I would say "This is the best part" and other times I'll say "this is the dumbest shit I've ever read"

[deep igloo]

i just really hope part 9's a continuation. I feel like that's what we need but I mean, Araki's a genius so anything will work somehow

[vagrant fjord]

5 deserves Lower tbh

[fierce schooner]

8>7>6>5>4>3>2>1
This is fact

[gleaming peak]

Honestly if they showed Gappy's four testicles and multicolored dick

[vagrant fjord]

8 needs to be below sbr after the ending

[mystic pier]

Yes mathematically

[gleaming peak]

I'd rate it as best part

[near cedar]

HER EYE IS NO LONGER ON HER HEAD IT'S IN THE MAGNIFYING GLASS

[paper quail]

5 was always a top tier part we just got fucked by bad scans

[rocky charm]

110: ||Joshu having trouble shitting||

[winter sorrel]

Every jojo part is good and it is fact

[kind owl]

@winter sorrel, Your Stand Rank is now level 7 !

[queen cypress]

exactly my rating but 3 above 5

[near cedar]

No

[gleaming peak]

Can we make this an emote

[vagrant fjord]

yes but some are better than others

[near cedar]

Purely opinion based

[gleaming peak]

Can we make trembling Joshuu an emote

[lavish widget]

Indeed

[rocky charm]

110: ||NEVER eliminate cheesecake! That is a crime!||

[near cedar]

And i think GW is pretty meh compared to most of the stuff i like, still at least part 5 had an ending better then part 8 lmao

[deep jasper]

7>8>6>4>5>3>2>1

[queen cypress]

jojolion had the best start to any part which probably contributes to how underwhelming it feels now

[gleaming peak]

You know if you like race wars, you should really like part 8.

[vagrant fjord]

Part 9 HOPEFULLY CONTINUES RHE DROPPED POIJTS IN JJL

[elfin tangle]

Greeny moment

[vagrant fjord]

we can only hope

[near cedar]

AHAHAHAHAH @junior coral

[gleaming peak]

Wow get fucked @junior coral

[junior coral]

GREEN GIORNO FORGOT

[vagrant fjord]

he lied to us

[deep igloo]

wow absolutely fucked

[junior coral]

I am actually so happy I’m wrong

[queen cypress]

theres no winning, either part 9 is 8.2 ot the plot points get dropped

[near cedar]

The Green One has forgotten

[gleaming peak]

Honestly I want to know more about rock humans

[rocky charm]

Having the context of the whole thing now, it really does feel like a lot just got dropped

[gleaming peak]

The concepts alone could be their own manga

[winter sorrel]

Hope jojo in jojoland is Joseph

[elfin tangle]

Too much shit got dropped

[near cedar]

Oh why Caro

[vagrant fjord]

It being 8.2 would be a fucking blessing

[rocky charm]

It's a little sad

[deep igloo]

I think if Part 9 is a direct continuation, then JJL will appear way, way better after Part 9

[gleaming peak]

You know what is really sad

[rocky charm]

But the story overall is still pretty good

[vagrant fjord]

exactly

[near cedar]

All the dropped things are crossed

[queen cypress]

then it shld jst stay part 8

[gleaming peak]

No new jojo next month

[elfin tangle]

I don't give a fuck about Kaato and her quirky Space Trucking, she needed a fight to herself or just more of a presence. How am I supposed to like her and accept her main character esque death if she gets nothing before?

[paper quail]

Jojo lands will take place in an all male prison in italy where the plot point is that a lesbian scientist tries to bring back AU Diego and or attains the end goal of Scientology.

[gleaming peak]

Because she's the mom

[near cedar]

actully wait

[gleaming peak]

MOTHERHOOD

[deep igloo]

Because there are a ton of unexplained plot points and things that still need to be flashed out

[rocky charm]

The bite marks are what bother me the most, unless....

[gleaming peak]

IS A BIG THEME OF PART 8

[elfin tangle]

True, milf moment

[lavish widget]

It makes death feel more real bruh

[gleaming peak]

BIG THEMES.

[rocky charm]

Maybe the rail bit them?

[winter sorrel]

Yes

[near cedar]

I may have crossed one of the things that was explained whoops

[queen cypress]

she also was absent for most of the part

[mystic pier]

So we thinking araki is gonna call the part 9 protag Lyne or go for something new?

[gleaming peak]

DO THE BIG THEMES.

[fierce schooner]

THINGS ARAKI FORGOT: Part 8 edition

Flashback man
Da baby
Flashforward
That fucking tear shit Yotsuyu did which none of the rock humans did later
Holly's Disease retcon
Karera foreshadow
Times when plundering could have been useful
Daiya's legs getting fucked up for single page
Hair clip animal analysis
Bite marks
Anyone got more araki forgots?

[queen cypress]

kino

[elfin tangle]

You can make it real while having it be impactful, look at Gyro

[near cedar]

he didn't forget he dropped it

[gleaming peak]

Clearly part 9 needs to start with Gappy driving a dababy car

[kind owl]

@gleaming peak, Your Stand Rank is now level 6 !

[lavish widget]

I know man

[remote narwhal]

Jojo Lands will be about Giovanna Giorno, the second female protagonist of the series

[kind owl]

@remote narwhal, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[vagrant fjord]

this is why we need part 9 to continue

[fierce schooner]

He dropped it and then forgot about it

[gleaming peak]

Every like big named stand user in part 8 had some kind of thing with their mom.

[near cedar]

Fuck death feeling more real, Araki's "real feeling" deaths are all fucking shit

[rocky charm]

Part 9 should definitely start with Jousuke and Yasuho getting divorced and then the protagonist has to get them back together again

[junior coral]

No

[near cedar]

Gyro didn't have a realistic death, Gyro's death was good

[queen cypress]

fr all the best 1s are drawn out

[vagrant fjord]

h u h

[lavish widget]

Kinda sad gyro was the last character with actual flesh out story whose death was actually meaningful and not just another death

[junior coral]

Jojolands channel now please

[deep jasper]

Part 9 is the parent trap?

[gleaming peak]

The protagonist is Gappy's cousin, Joshua Joestar.

[rocky charm]

yes

[gleaming peak]

That's an english name that Araki has yet to use

[vagrant fjord]

@rocky charm ur a mod add jojolands channel

[gleaming peak]

Old Josh Joestar

[queen cypress]

no one talks about narancias or avdols shitty fucking deaths, they talk about caesar and kakyoin

[humble berry]

Hey, that symbol in the stairs of the Higashikata house that was also in Kira's body, I don't remember it getting explained. Am I wrong?

[lavish widget]

"Makes for good story bruh"

[near cedar]

Then we have Narancia, Hot Pants, Kei, Rei, Jobin

[near cedar]

fuck no it doesn't

[rocky charm]

I can't edit channels, you need a Head Mod for that

[gleaming peak]

I liked Jobin's death

[queen cypress]

jobins death was ass

[gleaming peak]

I was distraught

[queen cypress]

didnt even realise he was dead

[gleaming peak]

His beetles have no owner now

[paper quail]

Part 9's plot will be the same as Coming to America starring Eddie Murphy

[kind owl]

@paper quail, Your Stand Rank is now level 10 !

[old cave]

jojolion 🔥

[vagrant fjord]

Hamon beat is gonna get fucked by the amount of araki forgots in part 8

[gleaming peak]

Which might be a good thing I guess

[lavish widget]

I also hate that shit man

[gleaming peak]

The beetles' freedom

[teal widget]

I hate that kei was brought back during the wou only to die like, 2 chapters later?

[kind owl]

@teal widget, Your Stand Rank is now level 15 !

[rocky charm]

Honestly based

[teal widget]

Sick

[humble berry]

Does anyone have an answer for that?

[gleaming peak]

You know if part 8 was just beetle wrestling I'd buy it.

[elfin tangle]

I won't lie. They were mid and got better in the anime, it helps that we got more time with them and their shenanigans in comparison to Kei and Kaato

[paper quail]

Kei coming back for a chapter just to immediately job was kinda fucked up

[queen cypress]

arakis only good "real" death was gyro because he went out like a badass

[vagrant fjord]

yeah he forgot a lot of things

[gleaming peak]

I mean Iggy in part 3 did a good death too

Unlike most araki dog deaths

[vagrant fjord]

oh yeah

[elfin tangle]

Iggy's was based

[kind owl]

@vagrant fjord, Your Stand Rank is now level 11 !

[queen cypress]

iggy got a good 1

[vagrant fjord]

By far best fight in part 3

[mystic pier]

Bruh id love if araki made the part 9 protag the kid of josuke and some random girl instead of having him marry and have kids with the first girl he ever met like every other anime and manga do in the epilogue

[rocky charm]

None of those deaths were bad

[gleaming peak]

Like just ripping one's head off

[vagrant fjord]

fuck no lmao

[lime jolt]

Avdol's death was good

[lavish widget]

Nah

[echo wave]

Eh

[queen cypress]

the best thing you can say about avdols was that he stopped polnareff from getting killed

[gleaming peak]

So what I want to know is like, did George have kids in Morioh?

[lavish widget]

He isnt a character

[elfin tangle]

Avdol's was a little meh, but I preferred it over Part 8's. Especially in the end where we see him in the clouds too? I liked it.

[gleaming peak]

So does that mean that Joseph's relatives are in Morioh?

[near cedar]

i didn't like Narancia's

[lavish widget]

Avdol just comes and goes

[queen cypress]

narancias felt like an afterthought

[mystic pier]

Falling in love with the first person you ever met and never leaving them for anyone is such a manga thing tbh

[elfin tangle]

He absolutely is, just underused

[gleaming peak]

Or did they all leave?

[paper quail]

Diavolo had plenty of good reasons to target Narancia tho so I was expecting it

[lime jolt]

It was brutal

[fierce schooner]

Did no one, even Mitsuba, care about Jobin

[gleaming peak]

It's more just a writing thing for young adult novels

[vagrant fjord]

Then there would be zero point in the interactions and relationships built in part 8 moron

[gleaming peak]

Mitsuba cared

[mystic pier]

They were crying

[paper quail]

I cared

[elfin tangle]

Narancia's became a lot better in the anime

[rocky charm]

Kaato literally spends her entire appearance crying over Jobin

[ruby halo]

Does jojolion end in this chapter

[lavish widget]

Narancia is just another one of araki's "sudden and real" deaths which wasnt needed at all

[humble berry]

oh yea the bite mark in the beginning never got explained

[lime jolt]

Yes

[humble berry]

forgot about that

[paper quail]

the JOJO LION may have ended but this truly was a JOJO LAND

[lavish widget]

In fact, if fugo didnt leave narancia death could have been far better

[ruby halo]

Noe I can finally continue the mangs without being discourage by the chapter amount

[mystic pier]

Lmao calling someone a moron just because you disagree, never had a meaningful relationship with someone without getting married or something? Why do they have to stay together forever for it to be meaningful?

[fossil fractal]

The trip was truly fun wasn’t it... 10 years

[near cedar]

Fugo would die right after

[elfin tangle]

Fugo would've been mid if he stayed. He has no place in any of the fights and would always just be a useless sitting dick

At least when he left, we got PHF

[paper quail]

this. I've had "meaningful" relationships that ended

[near cedar]

Diavolo would make sure to get rid of him just in case

[queen cypress]

yeah fugo barely did shit before he left

PHF is good tho

[vagrant fjord]

number one this a jojo fandom have you seen what we call each other and they don’t have to stay together it would just be a waste to have him go to some other random girl that didn’t have an entire parts worth of build up and tension between them

[queen cypress]

fugos stand works better when hes hogging the spotlight

not as a supporting character

[near cedar]

So basically he'd be Hato for most of JJL

[elfin tangle]

yes

[rocky charm]

I was about to say that it would be fascinating to have a fight where he accidentally infects a teammate, then I remembered that that already happened

[near cedar]

and Gio resolved it

[rocky charm]

Including Fugo in basically any fight would basically be retreading the same ground over and over

[near cedar]

yey Gio

[vagrant fjord]

he called me moron it hurty my feeing

[paper quail]

Fugos stand is hard to balance around because of how chaotic it is

[lavish widget]

Araki legit made fugo so powerful that he has the potential to break almost any fight he is in

[rocky charm]

So either he sits there and does nothing every fight or he just fucking leaves

[vagrant fjord]

that’s why he got yeeted out of the part

[near cedar]

Yes by killing himself and his friends and not the enemy

[paper quail]

Like honestly what could Diavolo do against Fugo?

[lavish widget]

The friendly fire is insane

[paper quail]

even if he killed Fugo he would probably die in the process

[queen cypress]

fugos stand isnt too powerful because gold experience asspulls abilities like theyre candy

[gleaming peak]

Hey that dude with pigtails in part 8

[near cedar]

Not be infected by the virus by dodging it with KC

[lavish widget]

Knifes I guess

[gleaming peak]

did he only exist to die

[vagrant fjord]

Impale him as soon as he sees him with time erase

[near cedar]

And then yeeting a street sign or something

[queen cypress]

purple hazes problem is its repetitive

not very versatile

[deep jasper]

So

[drifting elk]

Joe

[paper quail]

Buccialati got impaled and still out played the boss and Fugo has like 3000 IQ or someshit

[deep jasper]

If gold experience makes an animal

[drifting elk]

Joe mama

[pale mulch]

idk if im stupid or something but all I got from the recent ark is that Josuke (8) picked a cake for Norisuke and that Jospeh Joestar is the father

[queen cypress]

mama

[elfin tangle]

Fugo would be out of the Talking Head and Clash fight as he gets angry too easily and would give up on Narancia's bullshit first, he literally cannot use Purple Haze against Notorious BIG as they're in a plane. Secco would destroy Fugo, Cioccolata's fight was perfect without him, and he'd just be there in the Chariot Requiem/Diavolo fight

Why do people want him to stay again?

Bruh lol

[deep jasper]

And it gets infected by Purple haze

Does it reflect the virus back onto Fugo

[pale mulch]

can I please get some explanation

[lavish widget]

Cuz ph cool design

[near cedar]

Yes except Diavolo would make sure to rip out Fugo's heart like he did to Abbacchio because he knows what Fugo can do

[humble berry]

Father of who?

[near cedar]

@drifting elk don't spam

[vagrant fjord]

true dat

[elfin tangle]

That awkward moment when Diavolo would kill Fugo or Fugo would just be a sitting duck with us never getting to see PH much

[gleaming peak]

if gold experience makes a capybara can it fight

[vagrant fjord]

He also fears his stand thou

[pale mulch]

im pretty sure he was the father of Norisuke

[lavish widget]

What?

[queen cypress]

joseph was hollys father

lol

[deep jasper]

If Abbacchio can make his stand finish it’s job, purple haze can blow up one capsule before dying

[near cedar]

And Diavolo can erase time

[pale mulch]

right, my bad

[near cedar]

And oh no Fugo dies for nothing

[vagrant fjord]

Honestly araki should of kept fugo being the traitor that would of been so fucking sick

[deep jasper]

Depends if it’s day or night

[queen cypress]

purple haze isnt that OP its jst incredibly destructive

[deep jasper]

Even then

[gleaming peak]

This was pretty well done.

[near cedar]

No it doesn't, he erases time and runs away

[queen cypress]

example of a real OP stand is weather report

[deep jasper]

The virus in the days last 30 seconds

[elfin tangle]

Diavolo isn't a moron, he'd get the fuck out of there with skipped time

[cloud plover]

Godamn ghost ping

[near cedar]

it kills you in 30 seconds

[gleaming peak]

Also can we get some reacts for this free boi

he climbin

[neon moss]

Can King Krimson actually defeat WOU?

[elfin tangle]

We've seen Diavolo directly ignore attacks with King Crimson. Fugo would just die a worthless death

[gleaming peak]

where will he go?

No one knows.

[lavish widget]

How convenient that is doe, otherwise fugo could kill and entire city if he feels like it

[deep jasper]

No

[queen cypress]

broke = fugo vs diavolo
woke = weather report joins the stardust crusaders

[humble berry]

jojo lands protagonist

[gleaming peak]

YESSSS.

[elfin tangle]

based

[deep jasper]

WOU literally needed something beyond the logic of the universe

[lavish widget]

[gleaming peak]

BEETLE BOY IS JOJOLANDS PROTAG

[humble berry]

yeess

[deep jasper]

King Crimson is still bound by the logic of the universe

[gleaming peak]

Forget humans, return to B E E T L E

[pale mulch]

im pretty sure it couldn't due to WoU taking affect automatically no matter the circumstance, as long as there is intended agression to the user

[paper quail]

King Crimson GO BEYOND

[lavish widget]

Power levels are bs arent they

[deep jasper]

As soon as Diavolo steps out of Time skip he gets hit by a truck or something

[neon moss]

But KC could predict a disaster like a car smashing into Diavolo

[gleaming peak]

Dibbo Brando... snnrk

What if it's Daisuke Brando

[deep jasper]

It could predict it but it couldn’t beat it

[neon moss]

And KC would just skip time

[elfin tangle]

KC can ignore fate a lot of the time

[neon moss]

yeah, also true

[deep jasper]

It could predict killing Giorno but it didn’t actually beat GER

[neon moss]

But this has to happen immediately after the time skip

[drifting elk]

My bad goblin goblin deez nuts lolol

[fossil fractal]

The words “rhinoceros beetle” in DIO’s diary were just foreshadowings all along

[pale mulch]

as soon as he is out of epitaph and time skip, he gets hit

[drifting elk]

jk it’s a joke

[lavish widget]

KC deal is that diavolo is always skipping his own fate

[kind owl]

@lavish widget, Your Stand Rank is now level 4 !

[paper quail]

That's because of GER's ability without Return to Zero Diavolo would've won

[lavish widget]

"What matters is only the result"

[elfin tangle]

Diavolo death #89

Death by WOU's rock animals

[gleaming peak]

HE COULD SEE THAT PART 9 IS ABOUT BEETLES

[near cedar]

WYFM Green Giorno was there! DID YOU NOT SEE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pale mulch]

he " can " dodge WoU but he'll get hit as long as he is perusing

[lavish widget]

Wouldnt be a stalemate?

[elfin tangle]

Fumi only got a stand because Greeny forgot to show up (Green Giorno Forgot moment)

[fossil fractal]

Peruse harder

[humble berry]

iwasuke so ugly

[paper quail]

I think Diavolo would eventually succumb to WoU

[near cedar]

WoU just yeets fucking rock animals out of his pocket at you

[near cedar]

[lavish widget]

Is there a cooldown on KC,

[near cedar]

Yes

[mossy cloak]

KARERA

[near cedar]

No we don't know the exact cooldown

It's not long

[paper quail]

We saw him using it very freely when he was chasing after Chariot Requiem

[near cedar]

All the stands were buffed

[elfin tangle]

@junior coral was too busy making fun of Joshu's baby arm to be in 110

[gleaming peak]

Sorry I got really excited about the beetle

[junior coral]

Yes

[gleaming peak]

I love beetles they're so cute

[lavish widget]

Wouldnt a fight devolve into diavolo skipping shit until one of them gives up

[humble berry]

beetles are awesome

[gleaming peak]

Love beetles

[deep jasper]

WOU never gives up because it doesn’t have to

[flint blaze]

diavolo would die

[deep jasper]

Literally Diavolo would have to start running away

There’s nothing he could do

[lavish widget]

Who can win against WOU besides a requiem or evolved stand

[queen cypress]

man i miss rai

[lavish widget]

Because that stand is busted as all fuck

[deep jasper]

Tooru could even do some dumb shit like “you’re approaching me from the other direction of the earth”

[pale mulch]

heirphant green

[kind owl]

@pale mulch, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[flint blaze]

no one

[deep jasper]

Maybe Time stop

[lavish widget]

Maybe

[flint blaze]

nah

[near cedar]

Tusk Act 4 probably

[queen cypress]

tenore sax

[paper quail]

WoU doesn't get tired and his ability is endless even after death. Diavolo has to actively activate KC and do everything manually. He would grow tired long before Tooru would.

[full river]

Opinion on the final chapter

[pale mulch]

isnt that an evolution?

[flint blaze]

Even if nothing is moving, a calamity can still occur on whoever stops time

[near cedar]

oh ye

[deep jasper]

I liked it, I wish some more plot points were addressed but it was prett alright

[paper quail]

Gappy is his own person and his home is with the Higashikata family, very wholesome.

[near cedar]

trips, punches self, self donut

[full river]

Yeah same

[queen cypress]

polnareff solos tooru

[lavish widget]

Talking is no longer a free action

[flint blaze]

refuses to elaborate

[queen cypress]

the main character always wins

[elfin tangle]

mid ending as I expected

[orchid dew]

I forgot to read Jojolion

💀

[elfin tangle]

Joseph being cool was nice tho

[deep jasper]

Could the Feng Shui dragon in part 6 fight WOU?

[orchid dew]

YES

[queen cypress]

dragon dreams wins

[paper quail]

Fumi CHADS.. we won..

[pale mulch]

it was okay, some points should have been addressed, but other than that it was okat

[random sedge]

Does joubin have lines on his face because of the disease?

[pale mulch]

yes

[flint blaze]

no

[deep jasper]

That would be the most confusing stand battle ever

[paper quail]

yes

[lavish widget]

[sinful bramble]

Idk

[near cedar]

I mean actually

[queen cypress]

viviano westwood vs tooru who wins

[sinful bramble]

Tooru

Planet Waves is pretty cool though

[near cedar]

Kenzo's stand does tell him where to stand to remain in a "good luck spot"

[humble berry]

thats a paradox

[near cedar]

And shit

So he may have a modicum of a chance

[queen cypress]

what if donatello versus used underworld on tooru at hiroshima

[pale mulch]

thats game

[lavish widget]

Wasnt that stand neutral, it could also help tooru cuz why not

[near cedar]

It wouldn't do anything

[pale mulch]

ggz

[true walrus]

it was good, Joseph was hype, seeing Tooru was cool, Gappy had a nice speech and figured out who he was and a touching end with Gappy being accepted into the fam

[flint blaze]

yeah Kenzo's stand just tells him where to go if he wants to be lucky. Wonder of U manipulates luck itself

[near cedar]

Because Underworld only works in Orlando Florida

Lmao

[gleaming peak]

ANOTHER BEETLE WALKS FREE

[near cedar]

asked several people who can read Japanese to check and yes it actually means that it only works in that specific place not that it's range is the size of the city

[deep jasper]

Using underworld to recreate a nuke would literally kill Donatello himself

That’s not a victory

[near cedar]

he also can't do it

[queen cypress]

netero would disagree

[near cedar]

unless the nuke hit Florida

Orlando Florida

To be specific

[pale mulch]

yeah, you're better off using highway to hell against WoU

[deep jasper]

Dragon dream the only stand that could go against WOU

[paper quail]

Holy fuck I just realized Giorno's hair curls were foreshadowing

[near cedar]

no

[pale mulch]

omfg lol

[near cedar]

They weren't

[queen cypress]

notorious BIG vs WoU

[flint blaze]

[near cedar]

BIG gets hit with Calamity

A lot

And can't reach him

[lavish widget]

Wait holy shit

[near cedar]

Then a car goes by

[flint blaze]

WoU, it doesn't really even need to move

[queen cypress]

ultimate life form kars?

[near cedar]

and it goes after the car

[wanton oyster]

Any english 110 links?

[gleaming peak]

So no one responded to the beetle

and I'm upset

[sinful bramble]

Pins

[deep jasper]

WOU functions kind of like the green baby’s stand

[near cedar]

[true walrus]

be free

[paper quail]

Does Green Baby beat WoU?

[nimble bough]

no

[near cedar]

Yes

[pale mulch]

yes

[near cedar]

asked several people who can read Japanese to check and yes it actually means that it only works in that specific place not that it's range is the size of the city

[lavish widget]

Oh yeah that stand was also fucking busted

[flint blaze]

more like a tie tbh

[nimble bough]

wait

wtf lmao

[gleaming peak]

ANOTHER BEETLE SHALL WALK THE EARTH FOR JOJOLANDS

[near cedar]

Yes

Underworld is a very cool stand, except for that

[lavish widget]

Stupid ass stand

[orchid dew]

Oh god everything is so bloody

[nimble bough]

araki was on something, ill say that

[near cedar]

I mean Fun Fun Fun exists

[orchid dew]

Wait is that his spine

[near cedar]

That is also very very specific

[pale mulch]

okay, so do you agree that H2H could probably beat WoU

[paper quail]

Part 9 will have the same plot as Ex-Aid

[queen cypress]

Just found out underworld is ass tier feel like shit

[vagrant elbow]

What the fuck is h2h

[kind owl]

@vagrant elbow, Your Stand Rank is now level 11 !

[true walrus]

beetle part 9 villian? Returns to avenge its beetle brothers

[deep jasper]

Could moody blues get close enough to tooru if he used rewind?

[pale mulch]

Highway to hell

[gleaming peak]

Beetle part 9 PROTAG

[near cedar]

lemme check the exact wording of it's ability

[queen cypress]

could part 2 joseph bullshit his way into beating tooru?

[nimble bough]

Scrible of ani or whatever it was called, genesis of the universe or something, that one light novel with the crusaders

[lavish widget]

Actually, yeah

[sinful bramble]

Would killing yourself to kill Tooru count as intention to harm/pursue him

[deep jasper]

Maybe?

[vagrant elbow]

H2H got beat by a shoe didnt he

[paper quail]

Part 9 villain stand: Za Beeturus

[orchid dew]

HOLY SHIT IS THAT HERMKT PURPLE WTF

[pale mulch]

yes, but tooru peruse H2H, causing H2H to activate against WoU

[true walrus]

yooooo it's gonna be the best jojo part 😩

[orchid dew]

HOW TF

[vagrant elbow]

You are very late

[orchid dew]

HOW TF IS HERMIT PURPLE AHHHHHHH

[late whale]

[near cedar]

No, because the user of H2H has to commit suicide to kill Tooru, however it doesn't say that the way they die is reflected, so WOU can just kill him before he kills himself

[orchid dew]

Yes I was doing something else

[paper quail]

When I showed my friend that page he was like "HOLY FUCK IS HIS STAND THE PASSION?!"

[true walrus]

YESSS IT ISSSS

[paper quail]

[gleaming peak]

Calling it now, this beetle is part 9 protag.

[humble berry]

yes

[orchid dew]

Nah man the puzzle piece is part 9 protag

[pale mulch]

but dosent H2H kill itself by choosing to persue WoU

[nimble bough]

this book has the ability of re-creating events but the events must be listed in the book and the user needs to read the event out loud

[true walrus]

crawls over a corpse part and gets a stand

[gleaming peak]

Gasp how could you do this to beetle-kun

[flint blaze]

that makes his ability much less impressive tbh

[near cedar]

No

[gleaming peak]

IT HAS JOBIN'S STAND

[drowsy ivy]

😭

[nimble bough]

literally

wtf is it with stands these days

[true walrus]

Jobins soul is swapped with the beetles

[gleaming peak]

A beetle with Jobin's stand is part 9 protag come on Araki

[gleaming peak]

No the beetle just has the stand

[near cedar]

Yea, if Hermes wasn't a prisoner she could have probably just killed him with no issue cuz if they saw he died and tie it back to her she's in deep shit

[versed silo]

Real talk which cake did he choose?

[near cedar]

i mean sure if she kills him with a stand it's impossible to tie it to her

Buuuut Pucci exists sooo

[lavish widget]

A frie cake

[near cedar]

He might pull some shit to get her in trouble

[true walrus]

oh that would be cool too

[orchid dew]

Mf turns to Giorno

[humble berry]

this cake

[shut bluff]

Fire chapter

[lavish widget]

I question the humanoid hermit purple design

[orchid dew]

Bruh I thought he broke the guardrail with his bare fists

[queen cypress]

sports maxx > tooru!

[quasi oak]

So, Holy died or not?

[near cedar]

Tooru kills him

And is fine

I explained this already

[hard meteor]

holy is unknown

[true walrus]

she's dieing not dead yet

[nimble bough]

ngl the ending is pretty sad

[lavish widget]

Jojolion season 2 coming soon

[near cedar]

Yea, it could have been a good ending that wraps everything up, but it wasn't that

[humble berry]

nooooo

[kind owl]

@humble berry, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !

[queen cypress]

but he has 2 xs in his name so hes serious business

[near cedar]

Tooru has 2 oos

[spark spear]

Well Josuke said that there are no more Rokakakas, but maybe the lands in the southern islands may have some, this may be the setup for the supposed "JoJolands"

[lavish widget]

But the themes

[main prawn]

Now that I'm thinking of it Jojolion had a meaningful ending

[lavish widget]

Part 3 again bois lets go

[humble berry]

i agree

[lavish widget]

Lets travel to save holly

[true walrus]

yea, Gappy finally figured out who he was

[spark spear]

This really does sound like AU Startdust Crusaders

who knows, maybe Avdol's descendant and Polnareff may return in some form

[near cedar]

He already had a moment where he said he was neither Kira nor Fumi

[nimble bough]

Holy is in a permanent coma, Jobin is dead, Kaato is left unknown (likely dead), Rai is dead, Kei is dead and Lucy is dead

[near cedar]

Kaato is dead

She was shanked by Tooru

[hard meteor]

Def dead

[nimble bough]

YEP

Shanked was the perfect word

[main prawn]

oh

[true walrus]

this was also a nice moment to wrap things up

[spark spear]

SHe isn't in the table and no mention of her or Joubin, safe to assume she dead

[main prawn]

I totally forgot about her

she was hot

[lavish widget]

Indeed she was

[near cedar]

And that's all she was

[lavish widget]

Milfs for the win