#jojolion

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minor ore
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oojj

teal brook
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ojoj

broken trout
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JJoo

sinful wasp
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does he get called JoJo in part 8?

teal brook
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never.

broken trout
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yes

teal brook
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what?

broken trout
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he gets called kira and josuke

minor ore
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And josefumi

junior coral
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And Josefumi

minor ore
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Sb

junior coral
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And Secchan

teal brook
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I think they mean does he actually get called jojo

minor ore
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Someone told me the Suke in Josuke is apparently different from the Suke in Josuke of Part 4 Josuke so he's not even a JoJo in that regard

junior coral
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no

minor ore
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Maybe I'm just slow idk

junior coral
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The "Jo" is different

dusty kindle
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Giorno, Jolyne, and Gappy are the Jojos without ever being called Jojo once in their story

junior coral
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But it's still prnounced "Jo"

teal brook
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Jolyne's been called JoJo

junior coral
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Jolyne is called JoJo in the first chapter

sinful wasp
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Jolyne was called Jojo by her mom

teal brook
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by her mom and lawyer

junior coral
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By her mom and the lawyer by mistake

minor ore
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Johnny is called jojo by his father?

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I think

dusty kindle
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ok i am sorry that I forgot Jolyne

teal brook
junior coral
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He's called JoJo by his fans

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it's his nickname

teal brook
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they used to call him JoJo

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and then stopped

dusty kindle
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I only remember Johnny being called Jojo because some people called him "joe kid"

minor ore
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Can't believe I'm now a part of the manga crowd that waits once a month for a few shiny papers to come out

teal brook
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Giorno's never been called jojo

junior coral
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He's called "JoJo" and "Joe Kid" by his fans

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Giorno is called GioGio in PHF

junior coral
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Even though that's non-canon

minor ore
teal brook
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lmao

junior coral
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Gappy is the only protagonist never to be referred to as JoJo in any media whatsoever

broken trout
teal brook
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well it makes the sounds of "JoJo"

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so eh

dusty kindle
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until the end of Jojolion where Tooru wins and call Gappy "jojo"

junior coral
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He's called it in PHF but that's it

kind owlBOT
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@junior coral, Your Hamon Rank is now level 34 !

white pasture
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the word Jojolion will be mentioned

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by tooru

icy torrent
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Giorno is called GioGio in PHF
@junior coral It's funny how his real name is Haruno Shiobana lol

minor ore
dusty kindle
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"It really is a Jojolion moment"

white pasture
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"Josuke... You are the JoJolion to my Calamity.."

sinful wasp
minor ore
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It will be revealed in the end of JJL that the "lion" actually stands for million, and we get an Into the JoJoverse part 9 teaser as the last chapter

junior coral
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My prediction is that by the end Gappy will decide his own identity, not one that was given to him by Norisuke, nor one of his two halves, and the final line of Part 8 will be "Call me JoJo"

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Mark My Worms -- 6th MMM TO BE INCORRECT 💔

white pasture
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valid

dusty kindle
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Gappy defeats all of his enemies and at the very end of JJL, Gappy gets eaten by a lion on the last panel

white pasture
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i actually love that

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and especially if the last word of the manga is jojo and there is no part 9. perfect

runic adder
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Gappy dies of a cold

junior coral
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It's kind of corny but I am a corn ball

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I would die of happiness if that happened if I am to be quite frank

hard meteor
minor ore
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It's definitely a bit cliche, but it would be cool

broken trout
junior coral
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I would be really bummed if there was no Part 9

sinful wasp
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Eh logically there won't be

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Man's already retirement age

minor ore
white pasture
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yea bc part 8 is just the best imo. part 9 would steal its spotlight 😤

junior coral
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If he finishes JJL within two years he could do a Part 9 but it wouldn't be nearly as long as SBR and JJL

dusty kindle
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Araki would be the type of person to keep writing manga at 90

white pasture
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its selfish but dont care 😹

broken trout
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A vampire with his own stand called Easy Lover

runic adder
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Actually he’s a rock human

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They live for many years more than humans

sinful wasp
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Narratively speaking we kind of need a part 9

runic adder
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And both Araki and rock humans are allergic to mangoes

junior coral
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yes

runic adder
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Part 8 could possibly wrap up everything

hard meteor
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Part 9 never nyohoho

junior coral
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I don't think JoJolion can close up the things that were started with Part 7

broken trout
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Yes we do need a part 9

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Part 1-3, Part 4-6 and then part 7-9

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That's what he planned

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Probably

junior coral
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yes

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Three trilogies

broken trout
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yes

dusty kindle
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JJL is almost over

junior coral
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25 chapters maximum

broken trout
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and the last part of each trilogy closes up whatever started in the first part of the trilogy

dusty kindle
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i can't wait for it to finish in 2029

junior coral
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I could see it finishing in 2024 at the very latest

dusty kindle
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but yeah i think Araki could do a part 9

junior coral
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It's not really up for us to decide anyway

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If he wants to keep going he will

dusty kindle
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Araki is Araki so you never know what he will do

junior coral
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the last time he mentioned his age he said he wants to retire at 60... and here we are. Plans change all the time

dusty kindle
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when was that?

junior coral
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A few years ago

junior coral
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bad meme

hard meteor
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I mean it’s not like he can retire now with an ongoing part

sinful wasp
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Would he ever give the reins of Jojo over to someone else?

minor ore
dusty kindle
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imagine if Araki ends Jojo, only to announce Jojo Babies

minor ore
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I don't think he plans out on creating trilogy mega arcs, fans just happen to interpret it that way.

sinful wasp
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I think he has a general idea of what he wants to do at least

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Like in how part 4 it was mentioned that Dio planned to use Keicho's dad for something and it turned out to be sort of what he needed for reaching heaven in part 6

minor ore
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Keicho's father didn't have anything to do with the heaven plan. In an interview, Araki just said Dio wanted to have someone stationed in Japan.

sinful wasp
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ah, my bad then

minor ore
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He just said he will have to do research when asked about Part 9 taking place in Italy, that's more of a non answer. I personally don't see him "deconfirming," a future part at a fun little event he was a guest in.

junior coral
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I found this absolutely fantastic tweet from the week that JoJolion first released

minor ore
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well, it sure was really fucking

olive bobcat
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really fucking

minor ore
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Part 7 and 8 have been the least homoerotic stories by far tbh. When I started reading JJL, I fr thought I accidentally discovered some Araki-written pornography

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Especially with the Daiya scene gyroMercoledi

hard meteor
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She never got a name

junior coral
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good

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take your time looool

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No need to rush it

minor ore
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i rushed it and heavily regretted it

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Reading JJL while visiting its discussion channel, respect.

minor ore
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because now i have to re-read everything because i went through it too fast

junior coral
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^^

minor ore
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i was on DiU and then mangadex died

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couldn't be bothered to use other sites

junior coral
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I don't recommend being in the channel of a part you haven't finished

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he isn't the main villain

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You make your best judgement when you get to that arc

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bye

muted bramble
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ZA HANDO

hard meteor
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👌 primary bomb

runic adder
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Chadsuke

heavy ledge
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araki will do whatever the fuck he wants tho, i dont think he will take the risk to ruin it in case he doesnt really feel like drawing more

uneven tendon
uneven tendon
junior coral
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You can have more than one nickname

runic adder
thorn hemlock
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gotta love how araki referenced crazy diamond here

runic adder
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hes said hes had outlines for the parts up to 9 but as we've seen with early jjl a lot of stuff can change over a part

heavy ledge
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perhaps he will just focus on making the ending of jojolion the best way possible

minor ore
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I dont think so

heavy ledge
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i think that maybe he was hoping to finish early but he thought of stuff in the middle of the journey

minor ore
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Jojolion doesnt seem capable of finishing off jojo

heavy ledge
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unless theres 2 years of it

true ore
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araki is just leading us on so he can be 89 at the end of jojolion

heavy ledge
hard meteor
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29 years of jojolion

true ore
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then tooru will take over writing

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because he has araki at gunpoint

junior coral
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“Araki” is actually another form of the real mangakas Stand, who is a 19 year old college student

uneven tendon
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Joshu is actually Araki?

upper knoll
uneven tendon
hard meteor
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La la la he he confirmed next rock bug

runic adder
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skibidibop mmdada

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for next rock insect

true ore
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return of obladi oblada when?

upper knoll
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Well idk if Josuke really got rid of it

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Unless all of them drowned in the water

hard meteor
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Seems like they all drowned

true ore
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it states that it was washed off

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so no one knows

upper knoll
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maybe some of them fell off near the pool and theyre just gonna stick to josukes skin again when he gets up

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Seems unlikely and unnecessary if you ask me though

rocky charm
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gets out of bath
3 more O2s jump on him
multiply into 50
gets back in bath

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This lasts 2 chapters btw

upper knoll
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it takes up 5 pages of a chapter :troll:

true ore
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woah

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obladi oblada appreciators just need two more chapters to beat the d7 appreciators

opaque grotto
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Wou is d4c confirmed omegayare

minor ore
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Btw, what does the JJL chapters role mean with the Requiem theories thing?

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Are those theories that Soft & Wet is a requiem now or if S&W can beat GER

opaque grotto
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Both

minor ore
uneven tendon
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Nah, Joshu is going to unlock Nut King Call Requiem

opaque grotto
sour osprey
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JoJo 🦁

opaque grotto
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I've never read jojo part 8 and I doubt I will ever so people have been telling me that wonder of you is d4c the fuck is happening wall_facts

uneven tendon
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No, go read it

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It's the best part

hard meteor
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Get out of this channel

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And read the part

uneven tendon
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Jojolion? More like: even sadder Evangelion

near cedar
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Wot

minor ore
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Araki serving pure kino with all those religious themes

opaque grotto
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I'm not gonna read it

minor ore
opaque grotto
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I cant read Japanese

uneven tendon
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But there are fan translations

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They are good

true ore
uneven tendon
true ore
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I want to see josuke choking yasuho

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at the end

hard meteor
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It’s translated all the way to latest chapter

opaque grotto
true ore
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?when did they ever say this

uneven tendon
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Nobody says that

near cedar
uneven tendon
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People in Jojolion don't even know Funny Valentine had a Stand

near cedar
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Ik what you are referencing

rocky charm
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I'll do you one better:

hard pond
near cedar
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I don't know why you are referencing it

sinful bramble
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We have enough choking

true ore
near cedar
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I don't

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Because I know

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I get the reference

true ore
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yeea

near cedar
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Because I got shown that scene

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But why

uneven tendon
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Classic Jobin, being best dad

rocky charm
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No it doesn't matter if you get all the references

winter spade
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Jobin is such a good parent

rocky charm
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You HAVE to see End of Evangelion

true ore
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Jobin is the best parent

rocky charm
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There is a very small amount of movies which I would consider "art"

uneven tendon
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One of them is the Phantom Blood movie?

minor ore
true ore
uneven tendon
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Pirates of the Caribbean is also a Jojo reference

near cedar
rocky charm
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Oh OK then

true ore
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honestly i hope the phantom movie re-releases on the 40th aniversary

uneven tendon
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I hope it never releases

hard meteor
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😔 why

uneven tendon
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It's almost definitely shit

rocky charm
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Sad as it is, didn't it never release because APPP lost rights to Jojo after the Quran incident?

rocky charm
true ore
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i also think araki wanted it to be stopped

rocky charm
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No

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That's a lie

uneven tendon
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If Araki himself didn't want it to be released, and we already know of the absolutely garbage changes that were made, those are pretty red flags

rocky charm
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THAT IS A LIE

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I JUST TOLD YOU

near cedar
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People believing bs again?

true ore
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i dont know was it confirmed or just seems not true

rocky charm
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It never got released because Egypt was piseed off at APPP for having DIO read the Quran in the SDC OVA

true ore
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no

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the phantom blood movie

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not the OVA

rocky charm
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Yes

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The Phantom Blood Movie

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Which released in 2007

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And then

true ore
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the ova came out in 2008

rocky charm
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Also in 2007

true ore
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no

rocky charm
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LET ME FINISH TALKING

true ore
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okay

rocky charm
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The Phantom Blood movie came out in 2007

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ALSO in 2007, the Egyptian government noticed the Quran in the SDC OVA

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At this point in time, the SDC manga was currently being translated to English

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Sales of the OVA and the English manga halted for a while

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Araki had to redraw certain panels where DIO was fighting on a mosque and destroying them and replace them with generic buildings

uneven tendon
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But at least the movie gave us this

rocky charm
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The manga production resumed, but the OVA release never did, because APPP lost the rights

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After that, DP picked up the rights to Jojo

uneven tendon
foggy gulch
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dios true power comes from allah

uneven tendon
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And they made much better adaptations

foggy gulch
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🙏

uneven tendon
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The end

near cedar
rocky charm
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DP

true ore
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i think the years are off

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im researching it

near cedar
true ore
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and it says the changes were made in 2008

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not 2007

near cedar
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Well yes obviously because they adapted the manga and didn't change most of it

true ore
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the movie would have at least fun for a year

rocky charm
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You are correct

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I checked, and the controversy was in May 2008, while the movie released in February 2007

true ore
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so i think it was just poorly recived

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araki had nothing to do with it

rocky charm
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And I looked it up and it seems that on average in that time period there was roughly a 4 and a half month gap from a movie's release to a home release

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So there may have been "something else" going on behind the scenes that we don't know about

white pasture
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why does nut king still have both its arms 🤨

hard meteor
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Chads like nkc don’t lose limbs after an exchange

glad lodge
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how many chapters are currently out

hard meteor
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106

glad lodge
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oh aight

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how often do they come out?

sinful bramble
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Monthly

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Usually 2 hiatuses a year where there are 2 months between chapters

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So it’s more like 10 chapters a year than 12

glad lodge
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geez thats gonna take a while, i wonder how long its gonna be

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im guessing the at least the first chapter of part 9 will be out by the time i finish parts 6,7,and the remains of 8

winter spade
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Unless you take like 5 years to read those parts I doubt that

minor ore
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Yeah lmao

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Depending on how fast you read, you can finish all 3 parts in less than 2 weeks

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Yeah

glad lodge
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i read so slow

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took me 2 years to complete a book (percy jackson) because i was forced to read it and it was so boring

minor ore
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Are you being forced to read jojo

glad lodge
uneven tendon
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Do you think Jojolion would've been a better part if NKC belonged to Josuke instead of Joshu, like originally planned?

minor ore
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No

minor ore
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also i just finished the first one in 3 days

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so i might have a bias

glad lodge
minor ore
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oh i havent read heroes of olympus

sudden nymph
gentle socket
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Where can I read 106

barren bough
near cedar
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Manga4life

uneven tendon
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I think NKC maintained both of it's arms because technically Joshu's right arm is still attached to his body

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If it was completely gone, it would have only the left arm

near cedar
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Why isn't it's arm then smaller

uneven tendon
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Or maybe it's a metaphor to how strong willed Joshu is, and that even if he loses body parts he will keep pushing forward

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And try to protect his family

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🦾 joshu

hard meteor
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true

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joshus willpower was so strong that it kept his stands arm intact

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truly a legend among stand users

uneven tendon
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Joshu is so good that Araki wanted wanted to give Josuke NKC's Stand ability

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And if Joshu got it instead, it obviously means he was the stronger person

gentle socket
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How many chapters do people think there are left

uneven tendon
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Around 10

minor ore
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25 MAX

hard meteor
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15-20 max

uneven tendon
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What if part 9 will actually be Jojolion 2?

sinful bramble
foggy gulch
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hmm

gentle socket
glad lodge
mossy sinew
manic lark
uneven tendon
sinful bramble
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So Steel Ball Run was Jojocat

uneven tendon
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BTW, I have a very controversial take

foggy gulch
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steel ball run fan finally gets to read it!

manic lark
uneven tendon
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Joshu is unironically one of the best characters in Jojo

gentle socket
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Ok so I started watching part 1 19 days ago and I just got caught up to part 8 now

kind owlBOT
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@gentle socket, Your Hamon Rank is now level 7 !

uneven tendon
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And one of, if not the best, comic relief in the series

gentle socket
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Joshu pre shit

foggy gulch
sinful bramble
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Damn it took me a year and 2 months to get from Part 1 to being caught up with Part 8

uneven tendon
gentle socket
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I've not laughed at joshu once

hard meteor
foggy gulch
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you may need to reread if you rushed through some of it

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happened to me

gentle socket
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I'm just a fast reader

uneven tendon
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A lot of Joshu phobes probably speedreaders

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Or don't try to analyze his actions

foggy gulch
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joshu fans?

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or joshuphobes

uneven tendon
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Sorry, got confused with words

foggy gulch
gentle socket
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Analyze, only thing behind his actions is horny

uneven tendon
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No

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That's not true

gentle socket
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Pre much

uneven tendon
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Nope

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He also wants to protect his family and Yasuho

gentle socket
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And always fucks it up

uneven tendon
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Because Jojolion isn't supposed to be black and white

gentle socket
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Jojolion is probably one of my least favorite parts tbh

uneven tendon
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It's more interesting to have a character whose heart is in the right place, but constantly fucks shit up, than a straight up evil or straight up good guy

foggy gulch
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he isn't perfect and thats good

gentle socket
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I feel no attachment to like any of the characters even though it's the longest part

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Plus I'm not a fan of the big bad guy getting revealed at like the very end

uneven tendon
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Also, the Love Love Deluxe arc isn't appreciated enough

gentle socket
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🤷‍♂️

foggy gulch
gentle socket
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Besides part 1 & 2 8 is probably my least fav

uneven tendon
hard meteor
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imagine even comparing 8 to 1 and 2

gentle socket
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I might even like part 2 more

uneven tendon
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Cringe

hard meteor
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and tooru didnt show up all the way at the end what??

uneven tendon
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Technically Tooru was forshadowed in chapter 64, and has his full appearance in 81

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Actually he technically appeared in chapter 76

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With Wu

gentle socket
rocky charm
uneven tendon
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And by the time Tooru dies, he'll probably be in like 25% or even 30% of Jojolion overall

rocky charm
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And if JJL ends at, say, 120, then him getting his full debut at 81 means he's around for 1/3 of the PArt

olive bobcat
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Toorus been around for just as long as some of the other villains

gentle socket
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Idk its just a boring villain

rocky charm
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!w Kira Yoshikage

mental ridgeBOT
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JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Yoshikage Kira (吉良 吉影, Kira Yoshikage) is the main antagonist of the fourth part in the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure series, Diamond is Unbreakable, and the third main antagonist of the series. He also appears as the protagonist of the short story Deadman's Questions.

gentle socket
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Cool stand

uneven tendon
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Tooru is the exact opposite of boring

gentle socket
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But boring guy

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He wants a fruit

uneven tendon
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His backstory is actually very interesting

gentle socket
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How

uneven tendon
gentle socket
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He lived with bees

foggy gulch
uneven tendon
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What's your point

elfin tangle
primal dagger
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Diavolo isn't a good villian either

gentle socket
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Yea

elfin tangle
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Diavolo and Tooru are good

uneven tendon
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And in part 1, Dio only wanted power

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Yes

elfin tangle
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Diavolo doesn't even come in at the end of the part lol

gentle socket
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At least dio is an actual character

elfin tangle
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So is Tooru though

uneven tendon
rocky charm
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Kira's around for roughly 2/3 of the Part, I guess

elfin tangle
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Love that guy

gentle socket
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I wish anasui wasn't in jojo

rocky charm
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Introduced in 69/174

uneven tendon
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That's kind of my main issue with Tooruphobes, a lot of the arguments used against his character are pretty unfair

rocky charm
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60%

elfin tangle
uneven tendon
gentle socket
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I wish I didn't

elfin tangle
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He's funny and it's not like his shenanigans go under the rug. Jolyne decks him once or twice.

olive bobcat
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Lmao

gentle socket
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I did not read jojo because I wanted to

uneven tendon
elfin tangle
uneven tendon
gentle socket
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I already did

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Part 7 is best part

uneven tendon
foggy gulch
uneven tendon
elfin tangle
gentle socket
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Part 3 is second best

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Prime jojo

uneven tendon
hard meteor
uneven tendon
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I think a lot of people don't get the more morally grey tone in the SBR universe tbh

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That's why we get stuff like ''Funny Valentine did no wrong'' or ''Joshu is evil''

elfin tangle
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I can appreciate it. I still really prefer a lot of the OGverse's handling of some things, especially of the Joestars

uneven tendon
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No respect for Jojolion Holly and Jojolion Kira?

gentle socket
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Joshu fans when Joshu tries to rape Yasuho KEKWlaugh KEKWlaugh

gentle socket
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No he's just dumb

uneven tendon
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No, it was literally a misunderstanding from both Yasuho and Joshu

gentle socket
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Joshu is just dumb

uneven tendon
elfin tangle
# gentle socket No he's just dumb

To be fair. In the Paper Moon King arc, Yasuho clung onto Joshu and was talking about her being wet and stuff. A complete mishap from both parties

gentle socket
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So he pulls his pants down to have sex in a public bathroom

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Dis mf

uneven tendon
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Obviously he jumped too quickly into conclusions

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But he didn't want to harm Yasuho and even stopped once he realized something was wrong

minor ore
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Joshu is just dumb!!!! Dude wouldn't have stopped!!!

gentle socket
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He was knocked unconscious

heavy ledge
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ARE YOU SERIOUS YOU ARE DISCUSSING JOSHU'S SCENE AGAIN

gentle socket
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And

uneven tendon
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Poor Joshu, if Yasuho didn't hit him with a toilet sit they might've gone out to eat ice cream together

gentle socket
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He wanted to see his mom's tits

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Like bruh

minor ore
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No

uneven tendon
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Nope

minor ore
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That

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Bruh

hard meteor
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no

gentle socket
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Hes messed up

minor ore
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I hate this channel

uneven tendon
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He wanted to embarrass her to kick her out of the house, he wasn't horny for his mother

minor ore
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I hate this channel

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I hate this channel

uneven tendon
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Same

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But at least we have good people like you here

gentle socket
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"Nah guys it was an intellectual move he is such a smart man"

uneven tendon
hard meteor
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its the same two stupid convos in this channel

uneven tendon
elfin tangle
uneven tendon
#

Look into the context of his actions rather than look at things at very surface level

#

Without any context

gentle socket
#

Hommie can embarrass his mom without removing her shirt and saying he wants to suck her boobs like God damn

minor ore
#

Ok

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But its his way

gentle socket
#

Excuses

uneven tendon
#

Again, part of the point about Joshu is that he is FLAWED

minor ore
#

Not saying its not creepy, its just his way, and we cant do anything about it

hard meteor
#

its not an excuse lol literally the whole point was to be intentional gross to humiliate her

uneven tendon
#

He wants to do good things, but he does them in ways that are socially unacceptable

elfin tangle
gentle socket
gentle socket
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Don't see how these make him the best character

minor ore
#

He just is

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It just works

gentle socket
uneven tendon
#

'''AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHH Daiya is cute but Joshu is evil''

minor ore
elfin tangle
hard meteor
uneven tendon
minor ore
#

Still wanted Joshu to Ora Ora her

uneven tendon
#

And he even defended Daiya by telling her Caato is on the floor

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Because she is blind

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What a wonderful brother

#

joshu
🙏

elfin tangle
# uneven tendon No respect for Jojolion Holly and Jojolion Kira?

I respect them, but I very much loved how in original Jojo's, being a Joestar was far more significant and meant something while having its own unique curse. The SBRverse meanwhile doesn't really place any significance in the Joestar bloodline, with 70-80% of members not even being drawn or seen.

minor ore
#

"Yeah yasuho i dont care stay mad"

uneven tendon
#

But personally I prefer them being not as significant in the new universe

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It helps to ground them

rocky charm
#

Yeah, OGverse is all about the struggles and Soul of the Joestar family

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SBRverse is about struggles of people who happen to be Joestars

uneven tendon
#

That's a great way to put it

foggy gulch
kind owlBOT
#

@foggy gulch, Your Hamon Rank is now level 22 !

rocky charm
#

Unless Dio shows up and reveals he's been causing all of Josuke's problems and also infected Rina and the Higashikatas with the Rock Disease

elfin tangle
#

I simply prefer the soul and struggles of the Joestar Family.

runic adder
#

Makes up for it with ass

rocky charm
#

And then it'll be "Joestars vs Dio" again

true ore
#

were we talking about how joshu is good

uneven tendon
hard meteor
#

true rais cake balances out the assholeness

minor ore
elfin tangle
#

The family tree getting as crazy as it did thanks to DIO being a vampire was awesome

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Honestly, why Rai seemingly goes to the afterlife? He isn't that great of a person

winter spade
#

How so?

runic adder
winter spade
#

He’s a recluse if anything

sudden nymph
runic adder
#

He’s not an awful person but he does what is right

true ore
#

if you refer to when he said not to save yasuho

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it donest count

runic adder
#

He was just kind of helping out josuke, until wou reveals it was him that killed rais parents

minor ore
#

Mamezuku is not that bad, he just has this hatred of women, i like him for that, hes just like me

true ore
#

josuke never agreed to his terms

uneven tendon
#

😳

foggy gulch
#

based rai

sudden nymph
#

Rai sticks to numbers a lot which makes him get into conflicts with other people

winter spade
#

I mean the whole point of that was that Rai didn’t understand why josuke would care about Yasuho if she wasn’t essential to his goal

uneven tendon
#

Yeah my point wasn't that Rai is bad, it's more that I don't think he is particularly deserving to reach Heaven

winter spade
#

Wait a minute

minor ore
#

Rai is just like me, but i wish i could be just like rai

hard meteor
runic adder
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Rai is just kinda lacking in the social cues department

winter spade
#

Rai has his process of sacrificing the strawberry’s lower on the hill to virus’s and weeds so that the ones higher up can grow unperturbed

uneven tendon
runic adder
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He only thinks of the essentials and efficiency

minor ore
runic adder
#

He’s very logical and calculating but can’t understand people very well IMO

winter spade
#

Yasuho is called “strawberry” by Joshu and the stand they fight when they first encounter rai is urban guerilla, which burrows into your skin and makes you look like a pitted strawberry

sudden nymph
runic adder
#

Joshu isn’t that smart

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Joshu is more of a whiny brat

winter spade
#

He was literally applying his “sacrifice the lower strawberry’s” philosophy to Yasuho so he and josuke could complete their mission

true ore
#

Does anyone realize that rai is cool he literally knew josuke didnt agree to his terms and still helped him

sudden nymph
minor ore
#

I wouldn't describe joshu as "calculating" , more like "short sighted"

runic adder
#

I wouldn’t say he’s exactly like rai

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But they have some similarities in a broader sense

minor ore
#

Rai is portrayed as pretty smart

runic adder
#

Because he is

minor ore
#

And joshu is smart but stupid

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joshu built different

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hes smart and stupid

winter spade
#

Joshu is smart but narrow minded and emotional

sudden nymph
minor ore
#

strong and weak

runic adder
sudden nymph
#

Too bad rai is dead

minor ore
runic adder
runic adder
hard meteor
#

🥵

sudden nymph
#

Pretty hot but not as hot as Joshu’s hair

winter spade
#

Damn I really forgot how much middle aged norisuke looks like valentine

uneven tendon
#

But not socially smart

runic adder
#

It’s uncanny

winter spade
minor ore
#

Joshu and his stupid yee yee hair

runic adder
#

They def aren’t related but it’s so similar

uneven tendon
#

Maybe there were 2 Norisuke's all along?

runic adder
#

We saw norisuke 19 years ago?

winter spade
#

When is that flashback set?

uneven tendon
#

That's from chapter 64

runic adder
#

Then that wasn’t 19 years ago

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That was like, 15 years ago

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Cuz that was just before Caato got sent to prison

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Jobin is 32 tho

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Doesn’t make sense....

minor ore
#

What the fuck

runic adder
#

Ugh jjl timeline hurts my brain

uneven tendon
#

That scene was 16 years prior

runic adder
#

Oh 16 ok

uneven tendon
#

Norisuke said Jobin is 16, and he is 32 in present day

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Or was

minor ore
#

Yeah was

uneven tendon
#

Unless there's still hope for Jobin being alive

hard meteor
#

weird

runic adder
#

So Caato...wait what the hell

sudden nymph
#

Plot twist nothing matters

runic adder
#

Jobin was 12 in mother and child

uneven tendon
#

Yeah

runic adder
#

Which happens after rais funeral

#

Ughhhhhhhh

uneven tendon
#

But then it jumps into another flashback 4 years later

runic adder
#

Lmfao

#

Timeline is fucked

winter spade
#

When exactly was Rai’s flashback?

minor ore
#

So caato burried a child and was found 5 years later

runic adder
uneven tendon
sudden nymph
hard meteor
minor ore
#

Make up your mind

hard meteor
#

so 1994

minor ore
#

1u

#

17

uneven tendon
#

Nah, Rai was 17 when he met Norisuke

minor ore
uneven tendon
#

Which seemingly was the funeral scene

runic adder
#

Ok that makes more sense

minor ore
#

Wasnt he 17

#

*16

#

Motjerfuckwr

runic adder
sudden nymph
#

Oh no

hard meteor
#

he was 14 during that flashback

runic adder
#

Cuz rai is 32, wou says it happened 17 years ago

#

So rai would be 14

sudden nymph
minor ore
#

Yeah 14

runic adder
#

Jobin is...16 at that time

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

But jobin and rai are the same age...

hard meteor
minor ore
#

Flase

uneven tendon
#

Actually Mamezuku is 1 year younger

runic adder
hard meteor
#

It’s all wonky

runic adder
hard meteor
#

Rai would be 14 during that flashback but that doesn’t fit with him meeting norisuke at 17

runic adder
#

The funny thing is that flashback was word of god, rai couldn’t have been lying

#

It contradicts so much lmao

#

Both the flashbacks

minor ore
runic adder
#

Yes

hard meteor
#

Yeah it has to be

runic adder
#

It was retconned by wou

#

That’s the easiest explanation

minor ore
#

There must be something else going on

winter spade
#

Yeah so mamezuku was 14 when he attended his fathers funeral and met norisuke there

runic adder
#

Hmm has anyone made like, an info graphic with complete timeline?

runic adder
hard meteor
#

I don’t think so

sudden nymph
minor ore
runic adder
#

I’m smelling retcon tho

hard meteor
#

The timeline would be all over the place

runic adder
runic adder
uneven tendon
#

What if there were 2 Mamezuku's, and the Mamezuku we know is 3 years older than the Mamezuku shown in the flashback

runic adder
#

Lmao

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

Rai is the Avdol counterpart

minor ore
#

Mamezuku rai and mamezuku rei

runic adder
#

Small rai

sudden nymph
#

Makes sense

hard meteor
#

Two rais

sudden nymph
#

Two rais
One complicated timeline

hard meteor
#

The second one will explain where he learned spin

minor ore
#

Two josefumis, one human, one alien

runic adder
#

We’re gonna get a third flashback explaining how rai knows spin, and it will retcon both of the other flashbacks

minor ore
#

Lmao

uneven tendon
#

Also, why Mamezuku thought this haircut was good

winter spade
#

He got that flattop

runic adder
#

Family tradition yknow

minor ore
#

Why gyros father thought it was good, why polnareff, why stroheim

uneven tendon
#

Except Gregorio was cooler

sudden nymph
runic adder
proud spire
#

||when I saw the rock people I thought of one thing||

runic adder
#

That would mean rai abandoned the orchard at 17, regressed back to 14, and somehow knew about the orchard burning while he was living alone

proud spire
#

AYAYAYAYAY

uneven tendon
#

What if Josuke's bubbles are so strong that they change the order of time and space as the part goes on?

runic adder
white pasture
#

They already change space 😹

runic adder
#

Please Araki don’t

white pasture
#

and fate.

#

now he just needs to control time

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

“with these bubbles josuke, you can even bypass cursed””-rai

hard meteor
#

The bubbles are responsible for every inconsistency in the part

runic adder
sudden nymph
uneven tendon
winter spade
#

I mean it probably is relevant

runic adder
#

Rai makes a lot of conjectures

white pasture
#

Flashforward had a focus on nut king call bothering hato just like how nut king call bothers time

winter spade
#

Well he wasn’t “wrong” about the karmatic influence but he just doesn’t have the full picture

sudden nymph
winter spade
#

Fuck Tooru might not have the full picture

uneven tendon
#

Gregorio was the most underrated dad in Jojo tbh

winter spade
#

He got that pucci hair beard

uneven tendon
#

He wasn't the most affectionate dude out there, but he was still a good dad

minor ore
uneven tendon
#

And he even took care of Wekapipo's sister, so he was still a good man behind the ''no sentimentality'' thing he had going on

foggy gulch
runic adder
sudden nymph
#

Lmao

uneven tendon
runic adder
hard meteor
#

I’m 98% sure karmic thing was dropped

kind owlBOT
#

@hard meteor, Your Hamon Rank is now level 35 !

winter spade
#

He has no idea how a calamity will form before it does

runic adder
winter spade
#

Even if it wasn’t dropped, it’s just not relevant to how the ability manifests

near cedar
winter spade
#

Not directly anyways

runic adder
#

When a jojo character makes a conjecture on a stand, 100% of the time it has been correct

#

With the exception of rai

hard meteor
#

But that would make the prisoner thing a little weird

sudden nymph
runic adder
#

What would be the point of the scene if it had no real bearing on wou

winter spade
#

Like you could say “oh rai and Kei had more karma therefore they died near instantly from the calamity while josuke and Yasuho had more time because they had less karma”

#

But like it just doesn’t matter in the end

uneven tendon
winter spade
#

Honestly Rai being wrong would make more sense

#

He doubted the calamity energy even existed when he had already seen it in action multiple times

sudden nymph
winter spade
#

Well one calamity was minor and the other was major

uneven tendon
#

But luckily, Joshu is so good that no calamity can stop him

hard meteor
#

True

uneven tendon
sudden nymph
winter spade
#

The headbonk just seems like “get this idiot out of my way right now” sort of deal instead of going for major blood

hard meteor
#

It is pretty funny how minor the calamities are on his end

winter spade
#

But how amplified a calamities damage is seems fairly inconsistent

#

Or atleast unclear

uneven tendon
winter spade
#

Yeah he uses the spin

#

His nuts spin off the screws don’t they?

hard meteor
#

It would be pretty hype if he had spin

#

And it was just reducing the damage this entire time

uneven tendon
#

Guys, what if Kei could also use Spin? BTW's wheels were actually thin spinning lines

sudden nymph
#

His nuts and bolts spin already it would be easy to implement

uneven tendon
#

And she is a Joestar

hard meteor
#

Her spin was too weak 😔

#

Got bodied in one hit

uneven tendon
#

Unless she used Spin to reduce the impact of the cane

#

So Kei is still alive

runic adder
sudden nymph
#

Plot twist Donatello comes back

uneven tendon
#

Nah, Dolomite comes back

#

Josuke vs the Higasikatas

sudden nymph
#

They both come back

hard meteor
#

Donatello dolomite teamup

uneven tendon
#

Why can't Rikiel come back?

sudden nymph
#

Sure him too

uneven tendon
sudden nymph
#

And while we’re at it let’s bring back ungulo

winter spade
#

Because the part is called jojolion

#

Not jojocow

uneven tendon
#

Let's bring back Giorno, but say he lost his arrow

sudden nymph
#

Let’s bring back Giorno just to kill him

true ore
#

bring back polnareff with both legs

#

and cripple him again

uneven tendon
#

Honestly something like Underworld feels kind of needed rn, with the amount of unresolved mysteries we have

winter spade
#

Honestly I wonder how araki intends to solve these mysteries in an organic way

sudden nymph
#

Mystery man is AU Donatello

manic portal
#

Eh part

uneven tendon
hard meteor
#

Mystery man solves every plot hole 🙏

sudden nymph
winter spade
#

Because he’s done a good job with tying in some previous mysteries with new exposition that the characters themselves find the solutions to

uneven tendon
#

I also wonder why the Kiras' dad died

hard meteor
#

Same

odd valve
#

JoJolion is about lion

kind owlBOT
#

@odd valve, Your Hamon Rank is now level 7 !

uneven tendon
#

Maybe he was killed by a rock human lover, who gave birth to Tooru?

odd valve
#

all right im gonna go

uneven tendon
hard meteor
#

It’s really weird how the dad has a printed death date

winter spade
#

Did kira’s dad die?

uneven tendon
#

Yeah

hard meteor
#

And he shows up in the volume covers

#

Yes

uneven tendon
#

Born in 1945, died in 1991

#

Holly seems to like them old

hard meteor
uneven tendon
#

Also, technically Holly is another bisexual character in Jojo

uneven tendon
#

And we already know who Josefumi's dad is

hard meteor
#

Nah it was 91

#

Holdup

#

Wrong one

uneven tendon
#

Maybe the Kiras' dad died to the rock disease?

runic adder
sudden nymph
true ore
#

maybe kiras dad is just dead

uneven tendon
#

I am tired of the theory that SBR Joseph was Josefumi's father tbh

#

Like what's the point of creating an alternate universe if we're going to have characters who do almost the exact same things they did in the original

runic adder
#

Instead of printed

sudden nymph
runic adder
hard meteor
#

Yeah it was 91

uneven tendon
#

But then Damo referred to Josefumi as 19 in the Vitamin C flashback

runic adder
#

20 or 19 lol

#

Oh he could be aged 20 now

#

By the time this happens

#

Josefumis b day was after he died :(

#

Fun theory

uneven tendon
#

What if Josefumi didn't have a birthday, and him saying he died when he almost drowned was actually true?

hard meteor
uneven tendon
#

Technically he's still alive, as a french fries lover instead of a noodles appreciator

undone mason
#

there are like 6 fans of this part in the entire world or smth

minor ore
#

No

#

Really no

hard meteor
#

We grow larger in numbers by the day

true ore
#

there are 3 types

uneven tendon
#

Jojolion is still very popular, all Jojo parts are very popular

true ore
#

appreciators, regular readers and phobes

uneven tendon
#

But most of the Jojolion audience come from Japan

#

And those people are good, because they know Joshu is based

true ore
#

joshuphobes are annoying

hard meteor
#

Indeed 🦾joshunut

uneven tendon
#

They are

true ore
#

and tooruphobes are just as annoyinh

uneven tendon
#

These people don't want to look into the context of his actions

#

And just want to deem him as a bad person because he does some bad things

#

Even though this universe isn't supposed to be black and white

true ore
#

not like josuke commited murder

olive bobcat
#

"caato is the main villain lmao"

true ore
#

i feel that you hear that phrase more by people who are just up to date with spoilers

uneven tendon
#

Caato being a main villain doesn't make a lot of sense anyways

true ore
#

its only possible with the kaato valentine theory

rugged pilot
#

What’s she going to do? Throw cards at someone until they die

true ore
#

which doesnt make sense

uneven tendon
#

She's a mom with a card deck as a Stand who killed one kid 20 years ago, vs the literal mastermind behind the entire part, with like the 2nd strongest Stand in the series

runic adder
#

Also a person who is connected to rai, yasuho, and josuke

uneven tendon
#

And the Higashikatas

runic adder
#

The three protagonists of the wou arc

true ore
#

tooru josuke joshu

olive bobcat
#

yeah, caato has met gappy once and thats it

uneven tendon
#

And he also insulted Joshu, the 4th major character in the WoU arc

runic adder
#

Tooru caused holly disease

olive bobcat
#

caato is an accomplice and nothing more

runic adder
#

Tooru “groomed” yasuh

#

Tooru destroyed rais orchard

uneven tendon
#

And Tooru also killed their older brother

true ore
#

flashback man

#

no i think the lion is the main villain

uneven tendon
true ore
#

getting ready to show himself

runic adder
runic adder
hard meteor
#

Flashback mans stand is a lion

minor ore
#

nah it's that one dude who appeared in josuke's memories once in chapter 3

uneven tendon
#

Plus, Tooru has one of the best designs for a villain in Jojo

runic adder
#

What if flashback man is like the flashback hero from josukes memories in part 4

runic adder
#

We never see him again

uneven tendon
#

What if mystery man is actually Josuke's savior?

minor ore
olive bobcat
#

guys trust me
tooru is hot pants brother who she abandoned
tooru pants confirmed

runic adder
#

Mystery man is future gappy

#

That travels back in time

rugged pilot
#

Hey ya! Vs. wonder of u

uneven tendon
#

Hoodie Tooru

hard meteor
#

Josuke was blonde the whole time

uneven tendon
#

I don't know how he kept his afro intact, but at least he came out of the ground with drip

rugged pilot
#

That would be interesting

uneven tendon
#

Wonder of U

true ore
#

gappy acheives all the stands

foggy gulch
rugged pilot
#

Soft and wet requiem

foggy gulch
runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Rocks that are on fire

hard meteor
#

Clench deez nuts nyohoho

uneven tendon
#

Tooru is such a chad, gave Yasuho cool rocks to impress the kids at the camp

#

Maybe he isn't so bad after all?

rugged pilot
#

Also Josuke is unconsciously using spin from part 7 correct?

true ore
runic adder
#

The same might have been true for josefumi and Kira

uneven tendon
#

What if one of the reasons the Locacaca organization targeted Holly was because she is also a Spin user?

olive bobcat
uneven tendon
#

Tooru did nothing wrong, bad people just stand in his way

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

I know

#

But what if it was also because she knew Spin?

runic adder
#

It’s possible the reason they targeted rai was cuz he knew spin tho

runic adder
true ore
#

what if tooru is the protagonist

uneven tendon
#

Also, I think people slightly overestimate Wonder of U's intelligence, because in stuff like the speech in chapter 92 it was probably Tooru speaking through the Stand

runic adder
#

If she knew spin consciously, someone would have had to teach it to her

#

Which doesn’t make sense as spin in the joestar family was lost once Johnny died

#

Nothing says he passed on spin to George

hard meteor
#

Yeah he would be too young

uneven tendon
#

But maybe it's passed down genetically?

runic adder
#

Kira and josefumi probably use spinning bubbles without knowing it

uneven tendon
#

Like Hamon in the old universe

runic adder
#

Which explains why they both have bubble based stands josh_smile

runic adder
hard meteor
#

Maybe he taught his unnamed daughter?

#

But that’s a stretch

runic adder
#

No reason why josukes bubbles would use spin unless he knew how to use spin

uneven tendon
#

His daughter was also probably too young

minor ore
#

funny valentine

runic adder
#

Unfunny valentine

olive bobcat
#

tooru pants is real

#

trust me

true ore
#

the unfunniest valentine

foggy gulch
#

where can i buy them

true ore
#

the second man in america with the in their name

foggy gulch
olive bobcat
#

the

uneven tendon
#

Also, we should get more family interactions in the anime

#

And more scenes between Holly and her kids

true ore
#

i hope they animate the fish sasuages part

uneven tendon
#

They probably will

#

But you know what they won't animate?

hard meteor
#

They def will

uneven tendon
olive bobcat
#

he observes

hard meteor
#

Le Split bubble

uneven tendon
#

No reason to include it anymore, now that we actually know what his bubbles actually are

winter spade
#

It’s iconic tho

true ore
#

what are they? i thought they were spinning lines

winter spade
#

And it’s just a dope visual

uneven tendon
#

Yeah, but it doesn't make sense with the ''those are spinning lines''

winter spade
#

I mean it doesn’t make sense that they have a star on them to begin with

uneven tendon
#

That was only in a few pages

winter spade
#

It’s jojo, it’s all pseudoscience