hes brain dead
#jojolion
long shadow
uneven tendon
You do realize that if she actually hated him, she would get a restraint order or something?
foggy gulch
of course we understand its bad to do this, we aren't saying he has no flaws, just saying people misunderstand him.
long shadow
im not saying she hates him but im saying he sucks
zenith urchin
how fucked up is it that joshus real name is yamagoocha
uneven tendon
im not saying she hates him but im saying he sucks
He doesn't
minor ore
how fucked up is it that joshus real name is yamagoocha
Please shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
uneven tendon
Please shut up
Might need to call him again
zenith urchin
Please shut up
yamagoocha
fleet river
joshu is a fucking awful person
long shadow
yeah
uneven tendon
joshu is a fucking awful person
No he isn't
foggy gulch
this was right after the misunderstanding was it not?
heavy ledge
im praying for the joshu deniers
foggy gulch
that scene
uneven tendon
He saved Yasuho while disobeying Jobin, the only person he admires
How is he an awful person
heavy ledge
you will be forgiven when our lord shuts your mouths
long shadow
he saved her cause hes obsessed with her
runic adder
No he isn't
He’s replying to a pic of joshu groping yasuho
uneven tendon
he saved her cause hes obsessed with her
No, it's because he genuinely cares about her
raven charm
are we talking about yamagoocha here?
long shadow
he refused to accept no\
runic adder
So yes I would say he is an awful person to yasuho
fleet river
He’s replying to a pic of joshu groping yasuho
it's they
foggy gulch
He’s replying to a pic of joshu groping yasuho
after the paper moon king misunderstanding though.
uneven tendon
Joshu cares about the people around him, he isn't a sociopath
minor ore
I fucking, hate joshh discussions im fucking tired of this shit im tired this channel never changes subject because brain dead people cant read, i literally want to discuss chapters and shit but every time i come in here its either fucking tooru pedo or joshu rape, shut the fuck up already
fleet river
no probs
uneven tendon
he refused to accept no\
He didn't UNDERSTAND it was a no
raven charm
long shadow
if someone tells you they dont like you its pretty clear
fleet river
He didn't UNDERSTAND it was a no
that doesn't make it any better
uneven tendon
I fucking, hate joshh discussions im fucking tired of this shit im tired this ch...
You're right, back to discussing other Jojolion characters or topics
heavy ledge
lets talk about the birthmark
uneven tendon
So, what do you all think of chapter 64?
minor ore
Dm?
kind owlBOT
@raven charm, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !
minor ore
lets talk about the birthmark
NO
hard meteor
Nah
heavy ledge
lets talk about how sexy yoshikage is
minor ore
So, what do you all think of chapter 64?
What happened in that one
obsidian jacinth
@raven charm#memes-and-images
heavy ledge
and how im licking the screen
minor ore
lets talk about how sexy yoshikage is
Yes!
fleet river
I'll come back when yall stop talking about Joshu
raven charm
<@!246321717297807361><#302898202187792394>
its a jojos reference
uneven tendon
What happened in that one
Jobin's backstory
obsidian jacinth
dnc
minor ore
its a jojos reference
Shut up
obsidian jacinth
cope
manic lark
lets talk about how cute daiya is
long shadow
i dont rlly get Josuke's ability anymore lol
minor ore
Jobin's backstory
With caato?
hard meteor
What happened in that one
Young jobin and kaato
heavy ledge
how come the garfield pics are deleted so quickly
uneven tendon
With caato?
Yeah
uneven tendon
lets talk about how cute daiya is
Rapists aren't very cute in my opinion
heavy ledge
howw
minor ore
lets talk about how cute daiya is
Now, daiya is an actual attempted rapist
heavy ledge
someone explain this magic
manic lark
Rapists aren't very cute in my opinion
well, then is cute ignoring that portion
uneven tendon
But that is a big portion
woven anvilBOT
foggy gulch
LOL
long shadow
daiya isnt ugly af tho
heavy ledge
tf
uneven tendon
Thanks Kai
hard meteor
well, then is cute ignoring that portion
It’s an entire arc
long shadow
so +2 points
minor ore
daiya isnt ugly af tho
Joshu slander WHAT THE FUCK
foggy gulch
if that was kai i love kai
minor ore
Actual slander
hard meteor
I hate the hypocrisy with these people man
long shadow
-5 points for being a rapist
obsidian jacinth
manic lark
didn't read jojolion, just read spoilers on wiki, sorry for being beyond clueless
uneven tendon
Just because a rapist looks good, doesn't make them any less bad
minor ore
didn't read jojolion, just read spoilers on wiki, sorry for being beyond clueles...
Its alright man i get you....
hard meteor
“It’s not rape if she’s cute bro”
heavy ledge
didn't read jojolion, just read spoilers on wiki, sorry for being beyond clueles...
i hope you are fucking kidding
foggy gulch
“It’s not rape if she’s cute bro”
blegh
uneven tendon
“It’s not rape if she’s cute bro”
I remember having similar conversations when talking about The Witcher 3
long shadow
joshu= ugly and rapist. -10 points Daiya= cute and rapist -8 points
obsidian jacinth
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manic lark
letsa ignore my words about daiya, im just zoned out
foggy gulch
LOL
summer nova
summer nova
SOCIETY
long shadow
but fr tho yasuho just getting touched this entire manga bruh
heavy ledge
joker rock human confirmed
heavy ledge
can we stop talking about raping for one second
uneven tendon
I want to see that ngl
long shadow
yeah how do Josuke new bubbles work
hard meteor
Matio
heavy ledge
they just work
long shadow
dam nice talk
sinful bramble
raping matio
Uh oh
foggy gulch
they exist in another dimension of space but still effect our dimension of space, meaning it cant be altered by calamity in any way.
long shadow
how
heavy ledge
10 chapters of rai saying the bubbles are uncontrollable and invisible that defy the logic of this universe
minor ore
manic lark
another reason for mentioning daiya is because i was spamming random page on wiki, she popped up and i had to quickly come up with a topic to talk about for you
it was a bad combination of coincidences and my brain farts
heavy ledge
thats all the explanation
foggy gulch
another reason for mentioning daiya is because i was spamming random page on wik...
you should just read jojolion
heavy ledge
read the fucking manga
minor ore
@minor ore my dm offer still stands cutie
hard meteor
Every single time
long shadow
Whos worse daiya or Kaato
heavy ledge
insert trollu.png
minor ore
Wdym why
manic lark
you should just read jojolion
where?
(i often just consume media thru wiki spoilers, so i "read" jojolion, but lotta details missing)
long shadow
mangamelon
minor ore
Use tachiyomi
foggy gulch
tachiyomi is good if you use an android phone cause its literally the best option on there
manic lark
and im also kinda lazy, so i can just read the wiki with attention
long shadow
kaato helped kill and burry a child but daiya tried to rape idk. ig guess kaato did it for her kid?
uneven tendon
When she becomes 20, they won't have an argument to use
minor ore
kaato helped kill and burry a child but daiya tried to rape idk. ig guess kaato ...
Your point being?
manic lark
i kinda want attention here too, but im not desperate to the point of just farting out words
uneven tendon
Because Caato said that their boobs decrease in size after age 20
long shadow
whos worse
uneven tendon
minor ore
whos worse
Both are equally bad
minor ore
Murder and attempted rape
long shadow
ones gotta be worse tho
foggy gulch
killing is pretty serious y'know
long shadow
yeah and it was a kid
kind owlBOT
@long shadow, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !
uneven tendon
I'd say Caato is the worst between the 2, at least Daiya actually improved after she was defeated
foggy gulch
gatekeep jojolion
i wish we could gatekeep it
long shadow
but kid was a perve
uneven tendon
But it was still a child
uneven tendon
Killing a child is still not okay, even if it's a child with problems
manic lark
i regret things
uneven tendon
He should've been arrested, not killed
runic adder
I think it was justified to save her son
white pasture
No
woven anvilBOT
long shadow
i mean if your child is gonna die and only way to save it is to kill most people prob would kill
hard meteor
There was also a double motive behind killing that kid,she did so she wouldn’t have to sacrifice herself for Jobin
uneven tendon
i mean if your child is gonna die and only way to save it is to kill most people...
She could also sacrifice herself
Like the parents before her
uneven tendon
But he didn't need to DIE
long shadow
true
runic adder
He had to die if jobin was to stay alive
uneven tendon
So it’s not completely justified
Her reasoning for why she didn't want to sacrifice herself does make sense, since she wanted to see her kids grow up, but that's still not justified
uneven tendon
He had to die if jobin was to stay alive
Jobin was like 12 during that scene though
Oh sorry misinterpreted what you meant
runic adder
Jobin was like 12 during that scene though
And? He would have still died to rock disease
long shadow
yeah if you were the mom would you kill yourself or kill someone else to save your kid
uneven tendon
yeah if you were the mom would you kill yourself or kill someone else to save yo...
Kill myself
long shadow
eh
runic adder
Her reasoning for why she didn't want to sacrifice herself does make sense, sinc...
Yea I see how it’s not entirely justified but I don’t blame Caato for doing what they did
The majority of parents would do the same
uneven tendon
The reason Norisuke appreciates his mother so much IS because she sacrificed herself for him
Sacrificing yourself for your loved ones is a good thing
heavy ledge
Killing to save your child isn't justified
i would kill for a big mac so yea i guess saving a child is ok
long shadow
the kid was already injuried and he might of had to go to a detion center Plus the kid was literally out of his mind I think the majortity of people would sacrifice him for their own child
instead of themselves
they was to see their son grow up u know
uneven tendon
Even if most people would do it, it doesn't change the fact that it was still a wrong thing to do
hard meteor
Daiya is worse
foggy gulch
yeah daiya didnt really have any reason other than she wanted to
uneven tendon
Like I said, I think Caato is worse than Daiya because Daiya actually changed once she was defeated
long shadow
she didnt need to rape him to get him to tell information
uneven tendon
Though that might also have something to do with the lack of screentime
runic adder
Yea pretty unanimous daiya is worse
zenith urchin
why was i muted for saying joshus true name is yamagoocha, its true and you know it
uneven tendon
runic adder
Like I said, I think Caato is worse than Daiya because Daiya actually changed on...
Well yea but Caato wasn’t defeated
heavy ledge
i laughed
runic adder
It’s not truly a comparable situation
uneven tendon
Well yea but Caato wasn’t defeated
No, but she did go to jail for it
And had 15 years to reflect
zenith urchin
he literally says it the first time he uses his stand
long shadow
idk whats up with rn actually is she sad at tooru's possible death
runic adder
And had 15 years to reflect
True
uneven tendon
runic adder
She says she doesn’t regret her actions
uneven tendon
True
foggy gulch
to seethe
hard meteor
She’s crying over jobin
runic adder
he literally says it the first time he uses his stand
Shit that image is so crusty
hard meteor
There was a blood on her shoes
uneven tendon
Why would Caato cry over Tooru when he killed Jobin?
long shadow
id say ex husban more than jobin
hard meteor
Nah kaato doesn’t care about Norisuke
zenith urchin
idk what youre taking about araki used it at his art show
uneven tendon
There was a blood on her shoes
Maybe it was ketchup from Tooru's hamburger, which she stole and finished?
long shadow
bruh i just read it ok
uneven tendon
Jobin is fine, just sleeping
He'll use the hair can to get a fresh new cut
Except Mamezuku
He has a hole in his head
zenith urchin
as yamagoocha would say, ultimeate touchdown dead broth er babey
hard meteor
True!
heavy ledge
the fuck
long shadow
how you know its jobin tho
hard meteor
Who’s else would it be
foggy gulch
he is dead and im not sure who else she would cry over
heavy ledge
the link at least works
zenith urchin
thats the yamagoocha way
minor ore
Yeag
minor ore
thats the yamagoocha way
Shut up
long shadow
is jobin the main anagonist
foggy gulch
Wait then who tf in the main antagonist
there doesnt need to be one tbh but i guess you could say its tooru.
minor ore
is jobin the main anagonist
No
heavy ledge
yes jobin main villain
long shadow
then tf
minor ore
yes jobin main villain
No
heavy ledge
yes
long shadow
how is he dead
minor ore
Jose no
long shadow
maybe its tooru
foggy gulch
i remember when everyone thought jobin was the villain
long shadow
idk bruh
foggy gulch
goddamn
uneven tendon
is jobin the main anagonist
No, it's Tooru
long shadow
it has to be tooru then
heavy ledge
its kiyomi kujo
minor ore
i remember when everyone thought jobin was the villain
Villian of what? Being a looser ?
foggy gulch
🚎
uneven tendon
its kiyomi kujo
Nah, it's actually the sea
long shadow
he ate the rokakaka maybe hell make a full recovery
hard meteor
Mystery man is duh
heavy ledge
nature is the main villain
minor ore
Flying fish was a calamity 
zenith urchin
Shut up
i bet you feel like a fool right this very moment . yamagoocha babey proofs all there
uneven tendon
Guys, what if part 8 Kira is actually the main villain?
foggy gulch
maybe
hard meteor
He is
heavy ledge
doctor kira*
uneven tendon
doctor kira*
You're right, my bad
long shadow
its either jobin or tooru ig
uneven tendon
its either jobin or tooru ig
Nah, Jobin ain't the main villain
long shadow
its too late to bee anyone else
uneven tendon
Jobin is an antagonist, not a villain
foggy gulch
quiet down! who were you even talking to?
long shadow
he never really fought tho
uneven tendon
And he is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things
foggy gulch
WTF
uneven tendon
he never really fought tho
He had multiple fights
long shadow
not with Josuke
zenith urchin
youre just in denial of the truth
heavy ledge
whoever in the higashikata bloodline that had kids with a rock woman is the main villain
hard meteor
He had the beetle tendency fight with josuke
uneven tendon
But they don't need to fight
runic adder
And he is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things
I would say he’s pretty major lol
uneven tendon
They are still family
long shadow
yeah he isnt minor
hard meteor
But ngl a real jobin vs josuke would be cool asf
runic adder
Jobin is like, a pretty big catalyst for the entire series
uneven tendon
I would say he’s pretty major lol
I mean in terms of the Locacaca organization
Not in terms of role in the story
long shadow
he stole the roka and basically caused all this shit
uneven tendon
Technically Tooru caused all this shit
minor ore
he stole the roka and basically caused all this shit
No he didn't, josefumi did
runic adder
I mean in terms of the Locacaca organization
Dude the locacaca organization wouldn’t be involved with the higashikatas if it wasn’t for him meeting them
foggy gulch
But ngl a real jobin vs josuke would be cool asf
i wanna see a normal fucking stand fight for once
long shadow
jobin sent like 4 villians Josuke's way to
runic adder
I mean, eventually josuke would track down the doctors
raven charm
youre just in denial of the truth
damn i forgot about this arc, so weird
runic adder
But jobin has influence with a lot of things
long shadow
Yeah part 8 battles have all been mind games
long shadow
kinda
minor ore
jobin sent like 4 villians Josuke's way to
No he didnt
runic adder
And killing norisuke
Ya I don’t get major villain vibes from jobin but he’s sorta major? Yknow?
Like he causes a bunch of stuff
zenith urchin
damn i forgot about this arc, so weird
the yamagoocha arc is wild it made me shout horrible things at passers by
foggy gulch
the anti villain
runic adder
But I don’t picture him as a main antagonist to josuke
heavy ledge
im gonna paint, a handsome man and his gato rosa are waiting for me, bye
runic adder
Given they already fought once lol
minor ore
Hes a major character, but hes not a villain
long shadow
he sent ozone baby, Hawaii blue guy, and he worked with literally all the rock humans Josuke fought
runic adder
He worked for them; didn’t send them
zenith urchin
is yamagoocha a japanese name or something
it mean rapist im sure , or sex offender
winter spade
Jobin isn’t a main villain, he’s an Anti-Hero
long shadow
hes not an anti hero
winter spade
He’s doing bad things for a good reason
long shadow
and its a shitty reason
runic adder
hes not an anti hero
He is
minor ore
he sent ozone baby, Hawaii blue guy, and he worked with literally all the rock h...
He was their errand boy, and poor tom only went with jobin because he wanted the branch, he betrayed jobin
runic adder
It is a very good reason
hard meteor
It’s not a shitty reason
hard meteor
He’s doing it for the sake and benefit of his family
zenith urchin
greul tom was a weird fight
runic adder
Very good reason but jobins got some sad morals
uneven tendon
and its a shitty reason
Trying to cure your entire family from a disease that has been inflicting them for over a century is a very good reason
hard meteor
He just does it in the worst way possible
runic adder
wouldn't it be an anti villain?
Well, he does collaborate with the villains until ozone baby
So idk, he’s an anti hero
He doesn’t work with main villain or heroes
That’s an anti hero definition
uneven tendon
Jobin is an anti-hero, Tooru is a straight up villain
foggy gulch
says here that an anti villain has good goals but shitty methods
runic adder
Straight up main villain
long shadow
and he still wants the protagonist dead so hes a villian. hes actively gone against the protag
uneven tendon
Imagine being a Tooru denier
uneven tendon
and he still wants the protagonist dead so hes a villian. hes actively gone agai...
He doesn't really want Josuke dead though
runic adder
says here that an anti villain has good goals but shitty methods
But that could just be a main villain tho
hard meteor
No he does
long shadow
he might not be the main villian but he is a villian
hard meteor
Josuke is an enemy to him
kind owlBOT
@long shadow, Your Hamon Rank is now level 4 !
runic adder
There are main villains with good goals and shitty methods
foggy gulch
There are main villains with good goals and shitty methods
true true
hard meteor
And after he bodied norisuke he claims he wants to want to get rid of josuke and yasuho
long shadow
he isnt a anti hero
minor ore
tooru is like, the literal traditional definition of main villain
zenith urchin
tooru sucks
uneven tendon
tooru sucks
You suck
minor ore
tooru sucks
Not more than you
olive bobcat
Garf had arrived
long shadow
tooru has to be the main villian but jobin defintly is also a villian. And he ordered people to kill Josuke a buncha times
zenith urchin
his name literally means "lesser yamagoocha"
minor ore
tooru has to be the main villian but jobin defintly is also a villian. And he or...
He literally never did
Only ozone baby shit
winter spade
Well dolomite
winter spade
That arc was expressly about Jobin hiring dolomite to kill josuke
hard meteor
Ozone baby doesn’t really count cause it almost killed him
minor ore
Yeah so only blue hawaii
hard meteor
Poor Tom didn’t really care about jobin he just wanted the branch
Yeah blue hawaiis the only real time he “sent” somebody
minor ore
Because jobin wanted josuke out of the way doesnt make him super baddie
long shadow
he definitly prefers Josuke dead
winter spade
It does technically make him a “villain”
minor ore
Hes somewhere in the middle
winter spade
In the sense that he’s opposing the protagonist
uneven tendon
I do, but I can't find it due to how many GIF's I have
minor ore
In the sense that he’s opposing the protagonist
Then hes an antagonist, theres a difference
winter spade
Then hes an antagonist, theres a difference
The terms are almost always used interchangeably
minor ore
Yes
uneven tendon
But they are still not the same thing
A protagonist can be a villain and an antagonist can be a good guy
winter spade
One is a plot based term, the other is a character term
long shadow
bruh just because he want to do one good thing specifically for his family doesnt make any of bad villian shit hes done less villian
minor ore
Who is more of a baddie?
- Leader of the antagonising faction that created several plot threads
- A dude lol
winter spade
Well it doesn’t make up for the bad he does but it does put into context why he’s doing bad things
uneven tendon
Who is more of a baddie?
1. Leader of the antagonising faction that created sev...
*A dude with drip who is also a manchild
long shadow
1 is the main villian but hes also a villian
uneven tendon
Jobin is one of the best characters Araki has ever created tbh
Shame he's still not as well written as Joshu
long shadow
...
uneven tendon
foggy gulch
hard meteor
minor ore
I like how parts 7 and 8 are a bit different, johnny and josuke are not clear good, they can be considered the evil ones in the story even
foggy gulch
the squad
hard meteor
It’s true araki peaked at character writing with joshu
uneven tendon
I like how parts 7 and 8 are a bit different, johnny and josuke are not clear go...
Meanwhile their Jobros basically are clear good
uneven tendon
long shadow
to be fair Josuke and jobin both want to help their family and both have killed. BUT. Josuke has only killed peeps trying to kill him. Jobin has order peeps dead
hard meteor
uneven tendon
And 2 (potentially 3) people
Ojiro and his girlfriend
3rd is Norisuke, but we don't know if he's dead
Actually the bully should also probably count as a kill, since Jobin did bury him
hard meteor
After the final fruit got eaten Norisuke probably won’t live
uneven tendon
What about that second branch though?
hard meteor
I thought that got burned with orchard
uneven tendon
After the final fruit got eaten Norisuke probably won’t live
Then how is Tsurugi alive and Joshu has his old arm back
runic adder
After the final fruit got eaten Norisuke probably won’t live
you and I both know there are more fruits
Second branch is real and you know it
And there were 4 fruits on the tree originally
uneven tendon
Reject 2nd branch, return to time ability
hard meteor
Then how is Tsurugi alive and Joshu has his old arm back
I have no idea,I mean I guess tsurugi could be explained if someone willingly sacraficed themselves
hard meteor
Probably
uneven tendon
If mitsuba was the person that saves tsurugi
At least then she will be a good mom
Unlike Caato
runic adder
At least then she will be a good mom
True
hard meteor
Idk man unless thesecond branch is still around or some time bullshit happens that’s the only other way
uneven tendon
Am I the only one who is kind of indifferent towards Mitsuba?
hard meteor
Or I guess josuke could just use go beyond but that would be lame
runic adder
Makes sense
winter spade
I genuinely don’t know how he’s gonna explain the flash forwards
But I feel like he has a plan
hard meteor
Yeah maybe it really does have to do with pmk
winter spade
I mean we end the flashforwards seeing pmk jump up off of norisuke’s body
runic adder
I genuinely don’t know how he’s gonna explain the flash forwards
He could asspull it and say “these are the events of the higashikata house, untouched by calamity ”
To show how the flow affected them
That would be a shitty cop out tho
runic adder
Yeah maybe it really does have to do with pmk
And possibly ckb
olive bobcat
NKC is part of the family
runic adder
Nkc reminds me of norisuke in that shot
barren bough
the one stand that always deserved more was Walking Heart
runic adder
Like the vest and the screws
runic adder
the one stand that always deserved more was Walking Heart
Fr
barren bough
it got like 5 panels
runic adder
I don’t even care about daiya but hato should do something
olive bobcat
yeah
or at least dont make its humanoid form so cool
so we get disappointed when we dont see it again
sudden nymph
I actually have a theory that the thing exchanged isn’t permanent
runic adder
yeah
or at least dont make its humanoid form so cool
so we get disappointed when...
Ikr
sudden nymph
Why would that be
No reason I just don’t see any other way Joshu gets his arm back
fallen lake
runic adder
Well if it’s not permanent that would mean tsurugi and holly couldn’t be fully cured
barren bough
Joshu is an alpha chad so he never really lost his arm
not like that beta cuck Josuke
sudden nymph
Well if it’s not permanent that would mean tsurugi and holly couldn’t be fully c...
No I just meant the consequence isn’t permanent
runic adder
No I just meant the consequence isn’t permanent
Ohh
olive bobcat
joshu will replace the dead president of Chad
runic adder
That’s very much possible as well
barren bough
Joshu makes the final blow on Tooru
barren bough
WoU
runic adder
It was an entire stand rush
minor ore
How did it not hit tooru once
runic adder
Calamity didn’t happen until right after
Josuke would have hit tooru once if it wasn’t for his own bubbles, what’s stopping joshu
minor ore
But i guess if it did hit tooru joshu would be dead right now so be thankful
runic adder
Does joshu have to touch tooru for nkc to activate
minor ore
I think so yeah
runic adder
I see
Nkc gets an identical ability to speed king
Able to store energy long distance
When someone touches something joshu has, they get screwed by nkc
minor ore
Sounds awesome
long shadow
not many jojolion jobros tho
junior coral
Why
frail haven
cause they're great characters
junior coral
Tsurugi is more like a secondary character
frail haven
that are nice
junior coral
He's an ally but also closer to Jobin who's an anti-hero if anyting
frail haven
yeah that's true
junior coral
Also why not count Rai Mamezuku lol
frail haven
forgot somehow lol
Isn't Mamezuku Rai a reference to a song or song lyric? Like its a transliteration?
Kinda like Wekapipo
junior coral
"When Mermaid's Cry"
hard meteor
Isn't Mamezuku Rai a reference to a song or song lyric? Like its a transliterati...
Iirc it’s a reference to a song called when mermaids cry
barren bough
Isn't Mamezuku Rai a reference to a song or song lyric? Like its a transliterati...
When Mermaids Cry i think
junior coral
Mamezuku Rai
runic adder
"a central character in a story, movie, or drama who lacks conventional heroic attributes."
anti-hero
yea perfectly fits jobin
runic adder
Iirc it’s a reference to a song called when mermaids cry
reading the lyrics rn and they dont mention zeppeli anywhere
hard meteor
Gooood
hard meteor
Tsurugi more a true neutral type of character he allies with anyone who will offer him the fruit or a way to not die
runic adder
ah yea that makes sense
runic adder
Tsurugi more a true neutral type of character he allies with anyone who will off...
definitely
i think he has mostly loyalty to jobin
but wanted to save yasuho as well
besides a main villain why wouldnt it apply like that
i would, in certain arcs
yea
so tsurugi aint really even a jobro to jobin
hes jobins son lol
uneven tendon
Also why not count Rai Mamezuku lol
He is an ally, but not really a ''Jobro''
Since he and Josuke aren't really friends
runic adder
because hes an ally to yasuho but still gravitates towards jobin
junior coral
Rai is absolutely a Jobro fym
runic adder
they just develop more than one relationship in the part
junior coral
They are too friends wtf are you talking about
uneven tendon
Well, he was an ass to him and Yasuho and even wanted to sacrifice Yasuho
runic adder
after rai kakyoin'd himself rai is definitely a jobro
uneven tendon
That's not a very friendly move to do
junior coral
He is a main ally, hence being a Jobro
uneven tendon
after rai kakyoin'd himself rai is definitely a jobro
Maybe
junior coral
If you mean THE Jobro, as in, JoJo's main ally, it's obviously Yasuho
uneven tendon
But by that logic Kei is also a Jobro
junior coral
But Rai is part of the main cast along with Yasuho and Josuke
uneven tendon
And she mainly cares about Josuke because he is part her brother
junior coral
Kei is in like five seconds of the manga
runic adder
But by that logic Kei is also a Jobro
i said he kakyoind himself
junior coral
Rai is part of the main cast
runic adder
"to kakyoin" is to basically willingly die to reveal a stand ability
junior coral
In the second half of the part
uneven tendon
But the thing about Tsurugi is that he's family
Counting family members as Jobros is weird
junior coral
Tsurugi is more in line with Jobin's beliefs than he is Josuke
runic adder
which is what rai did, he died revealing the secrets of the invisible bubble
junior coral
Tsurugi main villain gang
runic adder
Tsurugi main villain gang
hehe
uneven tendon
Tsurugi is more in line with Jobin's beliefs than he is Josuke
Which makes me wonder even more why Tsurugi is considered the righteous one
junior coral
Which makes me wonder even more why Tsurugi is considered the righteous one
he was dragged into most of it by Jobin
runic adder
but if they're associated more closely with someone else they are not quite as associated with the jojo of the part
uneven tendon
Yeah but why rock humans are insistent on Tsurugi being righteous when they don't care that much about Jobin
runic adder
Yeah but why rock humans are insistent on Tsurugi being righteous when they don'...
because tsurugi is mv
uneven tendon
Jobin just exists, and he isn't a good guy
End of
Joshu, on the other hand, IS a good guy
junior coral
And Tsurugi is his ally, which doesn't make him a Jobro, because he directly counterracts the efforts of the heroes
Joshu is neutral
he doesn't do shit unless it's beneficial to himself lol
foggy gulch
?
uneven tendon
he doesn't do shit unless it's beneficial to himself lol
Saving Yasuho?
junior coral
horny
junior coral
Unless he had some very interesting character development off screen then that ain't him being noble
uneven tendon
It is
junior coral
I used the wrong word
frail haven
Also what he's done is for the family
also I don't remember the part where Jobin died at all
foggy gulch
frail haven
I guess I was caught up in everything else
uneven tendon
Also what he's done is for the family
Yeah but then he killed his dad
junior coral
frail haven
He didn't die
junior coral
He's boutta be dead
uneven tendon
Even if he's not dead, he's gravely injured
junior coral
He's dead in the mf flashforward
hard meteor
We don’t know that
uneven tendon
He's dead in the mf flashforward
His corpse in the flashback could be a red herring
junior coral
nah
junior coral
how is it a red herring
we see him get killed, hand chopped off, and put in a body back
uneven tendon
Considering how much of current Jojolion contradicts the flash forward, I doubt same would be for Norisuke
junior coral
then we see the flash forward and that shits still goin on
Norisuke is the only static thing about the flashforward and the current timeline
uneven tendon
It's possible Tsurugi used Paper Moon King to disguise somebody else as Norisuke
Maybe his own father?
foggy gulch
but then he'd have jobin clothes wouldn't he?
hard meteor
Nah this is norisuke the wounds are exactly the same
uneven tendon
Nah this is norisuke the wounds are exactly the same
But what if Tsurugi gave him Norisuke's clothes to help with the disguise?
junior coral
The colored chapters coming out show us more clearly that his hand DOES get chopped off
I remember that being confusing when the chapter first came out
People theorized that Yasuho might be in the body bag instead
junior coral
But what if Tsurugi gave him Norisuke's clothes to help with the disguise?
dude you're reaching
uneven tendon
I don't believe he's dead, that's all
foggy gulch
i think jobin had different wounds yea?
uneven tendon
Maybe Jobin gets healed by another Locacaca and gets the same exact injuries as Norisuke?
junior coral
Unless for some odd reason another character get's their right hand chopped off...
foggy gulch
bro
hard meteor
He’s not dawg
junior coral
not really much of an argument you're just saying "what ifs" that don't make any sense lol
uneven tendon
He’s not dawg
Just a few days ago you said he's not dead, what changed
hard meteor
Might be mistaking that for a different character
Cause I’ve always said norisuke died
uneven tendon
If Norisuke is dead, Jobin is dead
hard meteor
Bruh
junior coral
Jobin is also dead
uneven tendon
Jobin had far worse injuries
junior coral
HOWEVER I am a firm believer that Soft & Wet: Bites the Dust will alive Jobin again and he can become the main villain
junior coral
cap
uneven tendon
Whatever, you'll see I was right about Norisuke being alive
junior coral
looool
uneven tendon
foggy gulch
the prophet
uneven tendon
Just wait like half a year to find out if I was right or not
foggy gulch
people should bet on jojolion
hard meteor
I’m not really vibing with bites the dust being a thing in this universe but if we get more jobin kino it’s worth it 🙏
foggy gulch
true
uneven tendon
I’m not really vibing with bites the dust being a thing in this universe but if ...
*Norisuke kino
foggy gulch
higashikata kino
storm fjord
i wouldnt be surprised to see jobin and norisuke getting brought back to life, but atm they are dead
foggy gulch
the whole family is great
uneven tendon
the whole family is great
Except Mitsuba
barren bough
i wouldnt be surprised to see jobin and norisuke getting brought back to life, b...
i don't think Norisuke is dead, Jobins done the whole heating stuff up on people and they've survived
foggy gulch
oh
runic adder
also in ojiro again we saw tsurugi exaggerate injuries of jobin and tsurugi to an extent, why cant that apply to norisuke in the body bag
foggy gulch
yeah i agree i never really saw mitsuba as interesting
hard meteor
No, I mean she is the worst family member
That’s cap bruh
She’s not the worst
Just mid tier
uneven tendon
Then who is the worst? Daiya?
hard meteor
Then who is the worst? Daiya?
Yes
uneven tendon
Just mid tier
Mid low tier
hard meteor
Fair
uneven tendon
Only became a good character in Wu arc
hard meteor
she’s also hot 🥵
barren bough
i swear there was dialogue somewhere in the previous chapters that said that Norisuke would sacrifice himself for Tsurugi
runic adder
i swear there was dialogue somewhere in the previous chapters that said that Nor...
i dont remember that entirely
he told jobin he would follow jobin on the right path
and immediately stopped as soon as he saw jobin had killed two people
i dont remember his dialogue outside of that
so i may be wrong
barren bough
no im talking like when he first told Gappy about the disease
runic adder
ohh
long shadow
bruh mitsuba is not the worst family member
uneven tendon
Alright guys, hear me out
runic adder
i will not
uneven tendon
Jobin and Norisuke are alive, Kei Mamezuku and Caato are dead
runic adder
Jobin and Norisuke are alive, Kei Mamezuku and Caato are dead
caato is not even dead yet lol
long shadow
i think this video explains who the best and worst family members are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJNNcLseHU&t=608s
uneven tendon
She will die
hard meteor
You’re right on mamezuku he is dead
long shadow
of course it does
runic adder
bruh you basing caatos death on one page she was in
but yea kei and mamezuku are dead
imo for jobin and norisuke, its one or the other
uneven tendon
No, I think Caato will die
long shadow
kaato did murder kid but she also milf
runic adder
bringing both of them back feels weird
uneven tendon
It could give Jobin a redemption arc
runic adder
redemption to do what
if his mom dies to tooru how does it change anything
uneven tendon
His dad doesn't think of him as highly anymore, and he proves himself by sacrificing himself for Tsurugi
minor ore
not reading anything in this channel
uneven tendon
Then why are you in here
runic adder
ok
minor ore
just asking for a link to a colored version of jojolion
long shadow
oooh ight
minor ore
abcmanga has black and white
runic adder
just asking for a link to a colored version of jojolion
mangasee
has jojo color
up to chapter 64 iirc
or 60
uneven tendon
Reject colored Jojo, go back to the basics
long shadow
*64
minor ore
like I’m fine with black and white
long shadow
naw colored hot as hell
minor ore
but I prefer color
long shadow
dudes art work reach's another level
uneven tendon
naw colored hot as hell
||Even Tooru?||
long shadow
Tooru isnt colored yet
uneven tendon
He is
long shadow
dan
runic adder
i think
runic adder
jojolion color translators are just lazy
junior coral
yep
runic adder
so they only have up to 60 ish
uneven tendon
only 98 chapters have been colored <:trollru:833043553478770790>
Sadly even my favorite chapter, 99, won't be safe for long
junior coral
Translations only go up to 70
junior coral
98 have been colored
runic adder
Sadly even my favorite chapter, 99, won't be safe for long
hehe
runic adder
64 colored chaps
noooo there is moooreee
long shadow
prroooooof
hard meteor
It’s been 3 whole months and we haven’t even gotten one colored chapter translated from them😔
runic adder
It’s been 3 whole months and we haven’t even gotten one colored chapter translat...
ikr
same
but that was on mangadex for me
long shadow
ive been reading beta black and white when i could be reading chad colored for like the last 30 chapters
runic adder
everywhere else only has 60 ish
junior coral
First of all
runic adder
ive been reading beta black and white when i could be reading chad colored for l...
youve got it the wrong way
junior coral
chad black & white
runic adder
bw is the chad version
junior coral
color chapters are cringe
long shadow
naw bruh
hard meteor
Btw is the best way to read it
uneven tendon
Based Green Giorno
runic adder
i really dont care if you prefer colored or not but bw is just better
junior coral
Black and white has been and always will be superior
long shadow
i havnt even seen him so idk
hard meteor
Color ruined wous suit 
runic adder
Color ruined wous suit <:trishcry:592185691811610624>
fr
uneven tendon
Colored Jojo? More like: fake Jojo, because the colors change all the time for Araki
long shadow
isnt it just black?
uneven tendon
They made it red
long shadow
wtf
hard meteor
isnt it just black?
It’s airbrushed red
long shadow
wdym mean they made it red
hard meteor
And it looks awful
junior coral
ive been reading beta black and white when i could be reading chad colored for l...
Colored chapters only go up to 70 in english. Chapters 71-98 are not translated in color, and 99-106 are not in color at all
uneven tendon
junior coral
When you catch up in b&w and then witness new colors be released you'll see
hard meteor
Why the fuck are his hands purple
long shadow
ok tooru was better
runic adder
i only liked the colored parts of these recent chapters for the jobin scenes
they were fantastic
long shadow
in b and w
junior coral
Purple WoU hands are kinda baller though
long shadow
but i like gappy better in color
uneven tendon
Even this is a miscoloring
uneven tendon
Also for some reason they colored the head doctor as having normal hands, even though he wears gloves
long shadow
this was a chad panel
uneven tendon
So he has hands without any fingernails
junior coral
not somebody introduced 20 chapters ago that's who
runic adder
someone foreshadowed for the majority of the doctors arcs
junior coral
cap
long shadow
tooru is the main villian
junior coral
The Head Doctor isn't mentioned until after the Poor Tom fight
which is past chapter 80
long shadow
tooru is the main villian
junior coral
gtfo
uneven tendon
The main villain is actually the New Locacaca
long shadow
but he is tho
uneven tendon
It caused everything to go wrong
junior coral
proof
long shadow
he leads the bad guys
junior coral
"he's the main villain because he's the leader of the bad guys"
runic adder
"he's the main villain because he's the leader of the bad guys"
literally what has happened for every villain in jojo
junior coral
It's not Tooru
junior coral
literally what has happened for every villain in jojo <:notamusedRai:62939534283...
Not Kira...
long shadow
Every villian in jojo is introduced late lel
runic adder
Not Kira...
he was working with his dad who created stand users
long shadow
except kira
junior coral
If Tooru was the mv he'd be the worst fucking villain in the series
uneven tendon
Oops
junior coral
Every villian in jojo is introduced late lel
Toory has been in like 17% of the part. Not even close to how much the other main villains are present in their parts
uneven tendon
Every villian in jojo is introduced late lel
Laughs hysterically in Dio
uneven tendon
Toory has been in like 17% of the part. Not even close to how much the other mai...
But it's still better than Kaato, someone who has been in like 3% of Jojolion to be the main villain
bold crag
Death
runic adder
Toory has been in like 17% of the part. Not even close to how much the other mai...
has also killed 3 people in that 17% of the part
long shadow
jobin would be the only other option ig
runic adder
lmao that would be insane
bold crag
ikr
uneven tendon
And Tooru also has major ties to the main characters
runic adder
5 more years of jojolion
minor ore
this website is sketchy but if that’s what it takes for color
bold crag
😦
junior coral
But it's still better than Kaato, someone who has been in like 3% of Jojolion to...
it's not kaato either
uneven tendon
this website is sketchy but if that’s what it takes for color
Again, reject color
Return to black and white
bold crag
lol
uneven tendon
junior coral
Tooru's direct influence on the part isn't felt until his introduction in chapter 83
20 chapters ago
long shadow
i mean hes the only other one it could be tho
junior coral
that's such cap
runic adder
its a mystery part, now that we know his influence his influence is huge
bold crag
wdym jobin's a very good choice
long shadow
Who else would it be if not jobin or tooru
kind owlBOT
@long shadow, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !
uneven tendon
that's such cap
How is the mastermind behind the entire part being the main villain a cap
long shadow
THEY would have to introduce someone later if its not tooru or jobin lol
uneven tendon
Josuke wouldn't even exist without his organization
bold crag
im pretty sure it alreayd reaveld the villain of that part
why are yall still fighting over it
runic adder
uneven tendon
I don't know
uneven tendon
But people still want Caato to be the main villain for some reason
long shadow
????
junior coral
It's not gonna be someone introduced 20 chapters ago
runic adder
why tsurugi lmao
runic adder
im a fan of jobin mv but i just dont think its possible
bold crag
bro i though josefumi looked a little bit like okiyasu anyone else think taht?
long shadow
man boutta fuse with catto
hard meteor
Nah
runic adder
man boutta fuse with catto
same
literally my favorite character
but he just doesnt feel like an mv enough
long shadow
oh new stand ability
runic adder
if he was mv he would instantly be the best mv
bold crag
WOU
long shadow
whats hers even do tho
runic adder
but depends on how it was introduced
junior coral
Tooru literally ate shit this chapter
what the fuck are you talking about main villain
He got beat
long shadow
Plus yasuho didnt get any abilitys from nut king call
maybe this the end then
PART 9 LETS GO
bold crag
dude tooru 100% main villain
junior coral
man
runic adder
He got beat
do...main villains not die in jojo?
junior coral
if you think that the entire part is going to end at Tooru's death you are really dumb
bold crag
the dude litterally is the stand!
long shadow
nah he gonna fuse with caato
runic adder
nobody thinks its gonna end at toorus death
bold crag
whats better than that?
junior coral
LMAOO
long shadow
and get like wou but he can extend chairs
hard meteor
Nobody’s fusing lol
junior coral
nobody thinks its gonna end at toorus death
plenty of people do
uneven tendon
Tooru literally ate shit this chapter
Technically he ate a fruit that shares a lot of similarities with fig
runic adder
plenty of people do
they do but we dont
bold crag
welp its diego sees other diego time
runic adder
anyone with reading retention can see it wont end with tooru
long shadow
Kaato fuse then chair extending abilitys fuck wou that shit was weak
runic adder
i dont even think jojolion fully needed a main villain since it was already doing a great job with multiple parties
but if we have to define something as mv its tooru
junior coral
I will admit I think Tooru is the villain for the second half of the part the way Damo is the penultimate villain for the first half of the part. The overall antagonist, I don't know, could be Jobin
bold crag
jojolion was trash until i got to the newer chapters
uneven tendon
i dont even think jojolion fully needed a main villain since it was already doin...
Technically it's one party and a few extra people
BTW guys, I have a theory
bold crag
i was almost thinking on stopping reading the manga
uneven tendon
The main villain of Jojolion is actually Millagro Man
runic adder
Technically it's one party and a few extra people
eh i would say yasuho, jobin, ojiro, tooru, norisuke are all separate parties that were at the higashikata house
long shadow
No
runic adder
even tho most are eliminated by now
bold crag
bro imagine reading a colored manga cringer ;?
true ore
the true villain is joshu haters
long shadow
not gonna get into him
runic adder
lmao
runic adder
holly mv would be shit
uneven tendon
I think Obladi Oblada might be the main villain tbh
uneven tendon
I don't believe it died when Josuke washed it with water
true ore
I think Obladi Oblada might be the main villain tbh
to bad the best rock insect died
runic adder
I don't believe it died when Josuke washed it with water
it probably did
uneven tendon
It didn't
runic adder
chances are we arent gonna see it again
uneven tendon
It can't die so quickly