#jojolion

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finite ridge
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JoJolion is built different

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And I like it

teal brook
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good 🗿

frozen charm
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Speed king cbt

supple totem
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@edgy tiger do more rush animations for part 8

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if u want of course

edgy tiger
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@Noonvincent on twt does it

uneven tendon
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Tooru is an underrated villain

teal brook
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yes, mainly because no one else knows about him in parts 1-7

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I'm surprised I heard nothing about Tooru

primal dagger
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I don't really see how he's underrated. There isn't anything phenomenal or particularly of interest about his characterisation or motives up to this point. Right now he's just a villian that wants to sell something for money.

teal brook
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that's a great point

rocky charm
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He has nothing that makes him unique except his Stand

uneven tendon
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But he also has an amazing afro

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And a great personality

rocky charm
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OK yeah his FaShIoN~~~~ is also very unique

leaden summit
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Polnareff was the most gentleman character of all time

uneven tendon
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Nah, that was Jonathan

summer nova
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tooru wants the rock humans to rule over society

uneven tendon
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Polnareff wasn't that much of a gentleman

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I do find it dumb how people hate Tooru for doing bad things though

summer nova
elfin tangle
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Tooru's great

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People who simplify his goals to just "want money" is cringe

uneven tendon
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I think that in chapter 106, if Tooru does get hit by the Explosive Spin, we'll probably get something like Funny Valentine, who after being hit by Tusk Act 4 we were finally shown his backstory and motivations

summer nova
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josuke might have those fancy soap bubbles, but tooru's drip exists outside of this world

uneven tendon
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Tooru's swirls are so dripping that he probably created them using the Spin

barren bough
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tooru is a zeppeli

rocky charm
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Plot twist:

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Everyone in this part is a Zeppeli

uneven tendon
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Plot twist: Josuke isn't actually a mix of Josefumi and Kira

kind owlBOT
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@leaden summit, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

runic adder
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I mean, his ultimate goal is that, but his relationship with yasuho makes him very interesting

uneven tendon
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I like how the best thing Tooru has ever done is giving Yasuho some rocks

runic adder
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And ofc his overall personality and stuff is why I like him

uneven tendon
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But like I said, in the next chapter we will probably get more info on his motivations

runic adder
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Yea and his past for sure

hard meteor
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Meh I feel we’ve gotten enough ,he already gave that long winded speech in 102

uneven tendon
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I also hope WoU finally uses it's wrist blades

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Because so far he had to rely on calamities and rock insects

runic adder
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Wou had wrist blades?

uneven tendon
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Yeah

hard meteor
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From the first time we saw it

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But I don’t think those are coming back

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Especially now since the bubbles targets on tooru specifically

uneven tendon
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Considering how well planned the WoU arc has been so far, I doubt it wouldn't come into play

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We should also get WoU legs

runic adder
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Does wou even have legs or is it a death 13 situation

elfin tangle
runic adder
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Yea, basically pillar men again with extra steps

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But I’m not really concerned with his motive in that regard

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I still think he’s awesome

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I do wish we saw specifically why he considers that to be his goal

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With pillar men, very clear their advantage and superiority to humans

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With valentine, it was just nationalism instilled in him at a young age

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Rock humans don’t have a huge advantage over normal humans, except for their stand normalcy

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@uneven tendon i would go so far as to say there is not anyone in jjl that is close to a selfless human level

minor ore
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Rock humans are often said to be at a complete disadvantage

uneven tendon
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But he was also okay with Daiya keeping Josuke as a slave without memories

hard meteor
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Yeah early norisuke had fucked morals

uneven tendon
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You could say Araki forgot

languid stag
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who is the person that pops into josuke's memory in the first fun fun fun arc?

uneven tendon
languid stag
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they remind me of valentine

runic adder
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we dont know yet

runic adder
left ferry
runic adder
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everyone at the start of jojolion was way different than their final product

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norisuke changed a bit

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they were all way sketchier at the start

uneven tendon
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I think the designs were the biggest changes

languid stag
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when i saw his memory i was thinking maybe the guy at the start was norisuke? idk

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also jobin in the first chapters looks so different

runic adder
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like i thought the first part of jojolion was just gonna be josuke going through every single member of the higashikata family

olive bobcat
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damo concept :)

minor ore
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It was

uneven tendon
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Classic Tsurugi going from 2 years old to 10

runic adder
uneven tendon
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In the same year

hard meteor
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Bruh seriously what was good with this dude

runic adder
runic adder
hard meteor
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It’s not

uneven tendon
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Also remember when Joshu had the worst haircut in Jojo, instead of his chad haircut?

hard meteor
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The “early damo” concept it is a theory

olive bobcat
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no, hes always chad

uneven tendon
runic adder
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both haircuts are atrocious but his present one fits him better

minor ore
hard meteor
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Oh

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Nvm sorry

uneven tendon
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Actually, the reporter from the WoU arc had a much worse haircut

runic adder
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not really tho

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but it felt like it could have happened

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with norisuke and all

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i prefer what we got with shakedown road and walking heart

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and i am a rock

minor ore
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The flashback man has not been mentioned since his first appearance and everything we have on him is speculation

runic adder
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yea pretty much

uneven tendon
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Like what is THAT

runic adder
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yea he deserved to die for that cut

uneven tendon
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He died immediately after

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Which was a good thing

runic adder
left ferry
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He looks like he would be into that weird baby fetish.

runic adder
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we're really left in the complete dark about the baby and myster yman

minor ore
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Araki being praised for brilliant writing yet always relying on the token ugly character to die in service to the plot

uneven tendon
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Shame no character can match Tooru's drip

olive bobcat
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unparalleled drip

uneven tendon
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But most people who read Jojolion can't appreciate his drip, and think only his Stand has drip

olive bobcat
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they dont wanna pursue his level of drip

runic adder
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i think they mean shigechi

uneven tendon
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Shigechi is handsome, not ugly

runic adder
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and that one guy valentine killed with d4c

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on the boat

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that was funny

uneven tendon
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Technically Yasuho is 19 @runic adder joshu joshu joshu joshu

runic adder
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just kinda pushed him into the wall and poof

uneven tendon
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She's legal now

minor ore
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Whenever you see an ugly side character suddenly appear you know they're gonna die immediately

runic adder
minor ore
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Yasuho and gappy aren't adults?

uneven tendon
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They are

left ferry
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They are

olive bobcat
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they are of age

languid stag
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Is this the character that someone said might be Damo's early design?

uneven tendon
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Though mentally Gappy is a child

minor ore
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True

uneven tendon
languid stag
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whom

uneven tendon
runic adder
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do real amnesiacs act like gappy? in the first few chapters gappy really did act like a child, hes matured a lot

uneven tendon
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George 3, Johnny's son

minor ore
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What if that was a flashforward to gappy's future self

runic adder
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but its not confirmed

runic adder
languid stag
uneven tendon
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Luckily, Damo got a much better design

runic adder
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it would be strange for it to be a flashforward

uneven tendon
runic adder
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some serious time fuckery is required

left ferry
# uneven tendon

Wait how? George would've been long dead or old when Kira and Josefumi was alive.

hard meteor
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It could be his spirit or something

minor ore
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Spin is weird

uneven tendon
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Shame Josuke didn't have as much drip as his great great grandfather

minor ore
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Maybe attaining the BIG SPIN made him appear to his past self

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Neat to think about....

uneven tendon
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Imagine having only one hat instead of 2

uneven tendon
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Araki didn't reveal how yet

hard meteor
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Johnny rockin the sailor hat no cap 🔥

uneven tendon
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But I think it might be tied to Karera

minor ore
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I prefer johnny's boulder hat, he "rocks" it better

runic adder
hard meteor
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Lol

uneven tendon
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I don't like Donatello though

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😔

runic adder
hard meteor
runic adder
uneven tendon
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I'm sorry, but Rikiel just had more drip

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And was better written imo

runic adder
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understandable ig

hard meteor
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That’s Fair

uneven tendon
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At least I'm not an Ungalo fan

runic adder
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nobody is

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ungalo fans dont exist

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they never did

uneven tendon
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That will change with the anime

hard meteor
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Ungalo fans will rise up

runic adder
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i kinda want silver haired donatello

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ik dio had blonde hair but i want my dream to happen

uneven tendon
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And I want blue ANASUI

hard meteor
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It would be a better pallete

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I like silver design more

minor ore
uneven tendon
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Part 6 had pretty bad color palettes tbh

minor ore
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Jolyne's colors already look horrid in the anime

runic adder
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idrc if blue anasui or pink anasui happens, i much prefer pink but blue would be fine

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jolyne doesnt look good so far

minor ore
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It's got like a puke yellow filter

uneven tendon
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Always has been

runic adder
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maybe they changed it for the promo

uneven tendon
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Probably

minor ore
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It's like coloring with bile

uneven tendon
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Giorno for instance looked pretty different from the part 5 anime announcement and the actual anime itself

minor ore
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Reminds me of part 3's shitty colors

runic adder
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these are not the same

hard meteor
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I’m fine with jolyne colors for the most part

runic adder
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it just feels muted, compared to how vibrant part 6 was

uneven tendon
kind owlBOT
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@uneven tendon, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !

uneven tendon
runic adder
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ik, im saying i just dont like jolynes palette

primal lintel
uneven tendon
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Muted colors isn't Jojo-ey enough

primal lintel
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part 5 really felt like it was all over the place, and that they didnt know how to color it

minor ore
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Pink giorno is better imo

runic adder
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^^

primal lintel
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ehh i feel like the extremely saturated colors only really fit araki's art, not the anime

runic adder
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and blue to pink is much different than jolynes new palette

uneven tendon
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Honestly, we didn't need any colorings for the manga, only the few pages Araki colored

primal lintel
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maybe that's just my personal taste of either having extremely blinding colors, or deep and dark colors

runic adder
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strange taste but ok

minor ore
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Jolyne's anime coloring is mostly the same as the manga just WAAAY less saturated

primal lintel
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idk it's one or the other, i dont like anything in between

primal lintel
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can't wait to see the colors for the rest of the cast tho

uneven tendon
minor ore
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I think it's bad since it's reminding me of part 3's anime and that was pretty bad

primal lintel
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araki's art looks like a fruit rollup

uneven tendon
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Which is what makes it so great

minor ore
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Yeah part 4-6 era was kind of a mess

uneven tendon
runic adder
# uneven tendon

arakis is cool and all but if im reading colored im not gonna read that psychedelic coloring lmao

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i prefer colored to bw, just my preference, araki has a great style in bw as well

minor ore
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The psychedelic coloring IS jojo

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To me at least

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I only got in because of part 4's unique art direction

runic adder
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yea i get it

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araki has some interesting color ideas

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and his idea of no canon colors really makes for more creativity

minor ore
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Speaking of.... If part 6 has a green sky all is forgiven

uneven tendon
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How's my name?

runic adder
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good

uneven tendon
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Soon, 9 days from now, the Tooru fans will rise up

runic adder
minor ore
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The jojo games give SO's maps a green sky and it looks really nice

runic adder
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i hated part 3 backgrounds for egypt and all but part 4 looked nice, part 5 excelled with its backgrounds and beautiful sky
but a green sky would fit so well for SO

minor ore
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Lmao i remember people speculating about part 5 having a red sky

runic adder
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making italy look like well, italy looked great

minor ore
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Part 5's backgrounds are masterful

runic adder
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maybe a normal look wasnt a favorite choice of fans but i loved it

minor ore
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I think the animators took a trip to italy for the anime

inland oyster
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!w colored pages

mental ridgeBOT
inland oyster
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They’re based off real locations Araki went to I think

runic adder
minor ore
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I don't think they'll be taking a trip to florida any time soon 😬

runic adder
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hehe yea

uneven tendon
minor ore
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But anyway blue annasui and/or green sky would redeem part 6

uneven tendon
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I'm pretty sure Araki also drew and colored this amazing art

runic adder
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thats a great yasuho

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bruh ceasar breaking his hips so fucking hard

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early soft and wet was ugly af

uneven tendon
runic adder
uneven tendon
minor ore
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Early JJL was so ugly

uneven tendon
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Art wasn't as good as SBR unfortunately

runic adder
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ever part looks ugly originally

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part 4 probably had the most massive shift, but part 8 is a bit noticeable

minor ore
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Yeah the designs need time to get ironed out a bit

primal dagger
runic adder
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ye, i dont think jjl is that bad early on

minor ore
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They usually have way too much details and unnecessary accessories

runic adder
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almost got white joshu smh

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so close to greatness

minor ore
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And slowly transform into an iconic design

runic adder
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yea

minor ore
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SHAVED NORISUKE

uneven tendon
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White Joshu is great Joshu, but the blue and green fits him a lot more

runic adder
runic adder
rapid prawn
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that actually looks fucking beautiful

uneven tendon
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*Yasuho looks fucking beautiful

minor ore
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Orange gappy love

rapid prawn
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dunno her but yes

uneven tendon
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Also, saying Josuke has the most drip in part 8 is objectively wrong

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Because his clothes were Kira's

runic adder
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reject orange gappy, return to pink gappy

runic adder
minor ore
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If the anime gives part 8 a yellow sky then orange gappy would fit it best, anything else needs a white gappy though

hard meteor
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pink damo 😳

uneven tendon
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Kira also had more hair

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Josuke is probably bald

runic adder
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yellow soft and wet is cool, not sure i love it with white gappy

barren bough
minor ore
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Pink kyo

runic adder
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fits the theme here tho

uneven tendon
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Jobin looks good in pink

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Still better than his official coloring

runic adder
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his official coloring is great

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got so much drip

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done justice

uneven tendon
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Honestly, I would like Yasuho to be blue instead of pink

hard meteor
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Shuiesha jobin is goated

minor ore
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I'm still not feeling the tooru colors

uneven tendon
runic adder
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eh they could be better for sure

minor ore
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I pictured him with a lumberjack red shirt

uneven tendon
runic adder
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interesting

hard meteor
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Except tooru his colors are wack

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Like goddamn

runic adder
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tsurugi has a mostly bland design but its fine

elfin tangle
elfin tangle
uneven tendon
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Look at how much drip Tooru has in the fan colorings

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My favorite is this one though

runic adder
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thats pretty good

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lets just hope gold wou is given justice

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i prefer silver but gold could work i think

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but yea, shueisha messed up with tooru
his colors arent that ruined but since hes the main villain every detail counts

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his pants and hair are my big problem with him

foggy gulch
uneven tendon
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Still better than the Wonder of U we got

foggy gulch
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chad damo

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not sure why damo looked like that in the cover

runic adder
hard meteor
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They massacred wou

foggy gulch
hard meteor
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I’m thankful we don’t see this design again

runic adder
uneven tendon
runic adder
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theres a volume getting colored this month iirc

uneven tendon
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I really like base WoU's design tbh

hard meteor
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“Next few” you mean 1 or 2 chapters?

uneven tendon
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I really like WoU in general

runic adder
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so maybe they can justify wou colors

uneven tendon
minor ore
uneven tendon
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Also, Shueisa for some reason didn't take into account that the head doctor's wearing gloves

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So they gave him hands without nails

elfin tangle
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Fucking coloring team

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Terrible work

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One of the constant inconsistencies that got patched up in the colored anime

golden latch
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Hopefully they do a alternate color for that cover

uneven tendon
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Imagine if the part 6 anime keeps the coloring mistake from the colored manga

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From when Dio is shown to be in front of sunlight

golden latch
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Tooru has such a goofy villain color scheme

uneven tendon
uneven tendon
runic adder
elfin tangle
runic adder
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And the inconsistencies get patched by anime anyways(unless anime adds new ones)

elfin tangle
inland oyster
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The colored team is fine

minor ore
uneven tendon
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It's so good that even vampires can enjoy it

minor ore
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Tbh they upped their game for part 8

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I always read in black and white but part 8 looks pretty good colored

inland oyster
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For part 7

runic adder
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Part 7 coloring does like kinda weird at the start

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Gets a lot better as time goes on

golden latch
inland oyster
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Early part 7 coloring is really ugly

uneven tendon
inland oyster
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They made em blue

runic adder
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His swirls were done so dirty

golden latch
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I hate a lot of the new hair colors

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They used to be vibrant and colorful

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And now it's just brown and grey

runic adder
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Let’s just hope the journalist isn’t ruined Prayge

golden latch
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And like dark blue

runic adder
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I feel like tooru is the really big outlier in colorings

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The vast majority are very good for main characters

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They just kinda fumbled the bag with tooru

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And wou

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Like a clean 2 for 2 miss

uneven tendon
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Don't worry, they will recolor Tooru once the loyalists start to rise up after chapter 106

olive bobcat
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you mean when he dies?

runic adder
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Maybe they’ll retcon his colors, doubt it tho

uneven tendon
olive bobcat
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or that

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tooru dies by 110 though

hard meteor
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Calling it now

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This arc will not go past may

uneven tendon
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Nah, it will go past December

minor ore
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“Happy 30th anniversary for Jojolion!”

runic adder
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"happy 30th anniversary for the wonder of u arc"

junior coral
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"Happy 30th anniversary to the hiatus!"

frozen charm
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Jojolion 3

junior coral
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yooooo

frozen charm
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Araki dies

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Lifelong hiatus

junior coral
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don't say that

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araki is immortal

frozen charm
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Araki dies and comes back on the 3rd day of the lifelong hiatus

junior coral
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He is risen

golden latch
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Araki can't die

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Don't even joke like that

minor ore
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Someone please explain Jojolion to me

junior coral
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no

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Read SBR first

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JoJolion is a sequel to Steel Ball Run

olive bobcat
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yeah

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what greenie said

minor ore
golden latch
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Alright

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Think part 4

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But with the villains of part 2

olive bobcat
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but epic

minor ore
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ight bet

long dragon
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I've been reading JoJoLion and even I don't know what's going on really.

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I'm caught up and everything but good god is it weird. It might be the the most bizarre part of the bizarre adventure yet

minor ore
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Idk I think I explained it pretty well

runic adder
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but yea its for sure the most bizarre

long dragon
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I get the story but holy fuck.

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Tooru and his bugs named after the dumbest song names.

runic adder
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lmao yea thats how i feel a lot

runic adder
long dragon
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I nearly fuckin shit myself when he brought out De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da

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I will at least give respect for the fact he actually listens to the song he named his stand for at least.

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At this rate I'm expecting "Da Ba Dee" as the next rock insect.

runic adder
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skipidi bop mmbada

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for next rock insect

long dragon
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Doobedood'ndoobe, Doobedood'ndoobe, Doobedood'ndoo

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(Yes this is an actual song)

runic adder
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awesome

olive bobcat
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scooby dooby doo

runic adder
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we are pursuing you WonderOfUuser

long dragon
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I know Part 8 is a semi remake of Part 4 but I don't think we're going that far.

runic adder
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its not even a remake of part 4

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the plotlines are nothing similar

rocky charm
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Man in the Mirror already had Illuso's VA breaking

runic adder
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when we find out more about why rai's orchard was attacked by rock insects they will have to say do do de da da da again

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hopefully multiple times

rocky charm
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Dododo de Dadada is easier to say

runic adder
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true true

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must be hard not to break character, if you have to say nonsensical words as a threat over and over

golden latch
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Doremifasolati do and Obladi Oblada are not better

minor ore
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Araki’s editors probably asked him if he had to use those names but he insisted it’s vital for the plot

long dragon
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At this point I don't think Araki even has editors. Who the hell is going to tell this possible vampire no.

minor ore
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they try

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to no avail

terse jungle
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Correct

mystic finch
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No Hes kockyoin

minor ore
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Can I confidently say that Josuke has 2 biological dads? No women involved

timid badger
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Y tf am i so hyped for these beetle fights lol

kind owlBOT
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@timid badger, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

low talon
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i have a jojolion chapter 106 prediction but I´m gonna write it in spanish because I don´t know english

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Yasuho muere por que es la siguiente en la cadena de la calamidad, Tooru que gravemente dañado por el ataque de Josuke, Josuke se logra liberar de Obladi oblada y va a buscar a Tooru en persona para darle una paliza, aunque seguramente Wonder of U consiga algun power-up para ahora sí empezar la batalla final entre ellos dos

kind owlBOT
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@low talon, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

minor ore
lost slate
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I don't think Yasuho will die since she narrates the beginning of part 8

white pasture
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a close range fight

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but I do not think Yasuho will die

west reef
kind owlBOT
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@west reef, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

dire furnace
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Tooru dies on my birthday

uneven tendon
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So not next month?

minor ore
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theory : Tooru is actually Giorno Giovanna

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“Why yes, my last name is Giovanna, why do you ask?”

uneven tendon
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Theory: Tooru is Josefumi's dad

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Imagine if his last name is actually Kishibe

low talon
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soy el único que ve el paralelismo entre passione y la organización de la Rokakaka??????

uneven tendon
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In what way?

low talon
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piénsalo bien, tenemos al lider Diavolo/Tooru que tiene una fachada de una persona distinta con diferente edad Doppio/Eldirector aparte de tener sus propias capos como Bucciarati y Damo

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es por eso que pienso que Tooru sí va a ser el villano principal de Jojolion

uneven tendon
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Nah I don't think Diavolo and Tooru are a good comparison

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Diavolo and Doppio were 2 souls living in the same body, while Tooru is one guy with one soul, who also has a sentient Stand

low talon
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minor ore
sinful bramble
low talon
uneven tendon
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I agree that their structure is pretty similar

minor ore
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also everyone in the higashikata family have "King" in their stand name.... I wonder what that is leading to....

uneven tendon
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I think Pepsi's points on Obladi Oblada and him going for Tooru in person are true

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But Yasuho dying?

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Nope

low talon
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ella es la jobro de esta parte, Araki ha vuelto a esa tradición

minor ore
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Soft King

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King Wet 😳

low talon
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quién era Soft king?

uneven tendon
#

So what is your point

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Plus, Mamezuku already died

sinful bramble
#

Part 8 has generally broken away from some traditions, there weren’t really any major deaths until recently

minor ore
#

bruh Jobin died

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I hated his death

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wth

low talon
#

ha vuelto, lo dejo de lado en la parte 4, pero luego en la parte 5 solo Mista ( el cual no es un jobro) en la parte 6 todos murieron menos Emporio, y en SBR Murió Gyro, no sé en que momento dejó la tradición

uneven tendon
#

I don't think Jobin is dead, I think it's a fakeout

minor ore
uneven tendon
#

Same goes for Norisuke and maybe Kei

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But Mamezuku almost definitely died

low talon
uneven tendon
#

Joseph was also technically said to be dead 2 times, and he still came back

low talon
inland oyster
#

What

uneven tendon
minor ore
#

He says he's only just learning english

uneven tendon
#

But back to the point, I think Yasuho dying is unlikely

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If anything, it's much more likely she and Josuke would end the part being a couple

#

Since now it's just teases and hints they are in love with each other

runic adder
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"teases and hints" they are so in love bro

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i dont think araki will pull a gyro for part 8

uneven tendon
#

If Josuke ends the part alone and marries a random woman in between parts 8 and 9 that would really suck

runic adder
#

that would be awful

uneven tendon
#

Let's hope for a Jojolion wedding at the end 🙏 🙏 🙏

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Maybe Karera can also get Joshu

runic adder
low talon
#

el ataque de Josuke hará que la calamidad vaya hacia el, dejando que Yasuho pueda evitar la puerta, todavía hay bodaaaaaaaa

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

im just using the shitty google translator for this guy lmao

uneven tendon
#

He's neutral

runic adder
#

and he helped josuke in shakedown road

uneven tendon
#

Yasuho wouldn't see it that way

runic adder
#

joshu still wants to "protect" yasuho and all

minor ore
#

Google translate is really good these days

uneven tendon
#

Btw Swe Coo, isn't your name very oudated?

runic adder
#

indeed it is but its not a great substitute for real talking

minor ore
#

Yes but i think it's funny

uneven tendon
#

Makes sense

near cedar
runic adder
minor ore
#

Joshu fans waiting on the redemption arc for 10 years of the manga

runic adder
inland oyster
#

The female characters aren’t rewards lol

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

NOBODY

inland oyster
#

No one?

#

Does he need to?

near cedar
uneven tendon
#

He does

runic adder
#

if karera loved josefumi then no way she would like joshu

near cedar
#

He deserves nobody!

runic adder
#

joshu will literally never get redemption

inland oyster
#

Joshu hasn’t done anything to deserve a relationship

uneven tendon
#

Maybe Joshu gets into older women and falls in love with Holly?

runic adder
#

he doesnt deserve to be with a girl

inland oyster
#

Wait not even deserve

inland oyster
#

Nobody’s interested in him

runic adder
#

that as well

uneven tendon
#

I think Joshu is on the path towards redemption

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Maybe after they defeat Tooru, he gets a fresh new haircut and maybe a new arm from Tooru

runic adder
#

they would be turned off immediately by not just his haircut but his insane sexual assault

uneven tendon
#

And starts being more charismatic

runic adder
low talon
#

joshu es un perdedor, y eso me gusta

kind owlBOT
#

@low talon, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

runic adder
#

joshu is a great character for the sole fact they will never be a solely goodperson

near cedar
#

Joshu is an asshole to laugh at not a character who deserves redemption

uneven tendon
#

You do realize Joshu isn't some sort of monster, right?

minor ore
#

I blame araki for dividing the fanbase on joshu with milagro man, he could have been another comic relief but he just had to add the slightest bit of self awareness to him

uneven tendon
#

In fact he wants to protect his family

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He feels genuine guilt

runic adder
near cedar
runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Joshu does do bad things, my point is that he isn't evil

fast ravine
#

.

runic adder
minor ore
#

He can be an asshole and have good intentions

near cedar
#

Don't gotta be evil to be a pos

runic adder
#

and even then his intentions arent even good, given what he does in 103

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he wants to sacrifice for yasuho but then makes so many suggestive comments and all

near cedar
#

"This'll be better then sex right?" Or something

minor ore
#

No that's actually a good example of my point, he had good intentions but completely fucks it up because of how socially inept and weird he is

runic adder
#

yeah

uneven tendon
#

That's because Joshu is also an idiot and doesn't understand social behavior

runic adder
#

and norisuke completely enables his pervy behavior and all

minor ore
#

I think that was a funny moment though, what i don't get is when people are completely disgusted with him every time he appears

runic adder
#

he does that for all his kids except jobin

uneven tendon
#

Like Tooru

runic adder
#

my favorite joshu moment is shakedown road but the exchange comes close

uneven tendon
#

Imagine if Joshu is the one to defeat Tooru, using Nut King Call

runic adder
uneven tendon
runic adder
minor ore
#

And then they made him ridiculously angry about yasuho whoring with josuke in the next chapter with his tiny hand, bruh my sides were in orbit

uneven tendon
#

Because Joshu is not confident enough to see that he is a god

runic adder
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this is my all time favorite panel of joshu

runic adder
#

i dont think we will ever know if it was calamity or joshu that acted like that, and its funnier if we dont know

uneven tendon
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It's probably a mix of both, but WoU probably made him angrier than what he normally would be

minor ore
#

Yeah

uneven tendon
#

Honestly Joshu was pretty scary in that chapter

#

But then in chapter 105 he reverts to being a chad

runic adder
#

after all that i still think joshu wanted his arm back but wouldnt have killed tooru, calamity probably pushed him to try to kill yasuho

uneven tendon
#

Imagine if they use Tooru on all the injured characters

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Josuke and Holly lose their stone parts and go back to normal, Joshu get a new arm

runic adder
#

nah

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

i dont think holy is getting saved anytime soon

runic adder
minor ore
#

I think kyo will finally return next chapter 🙂

runic adder
#

and i think josuke looks awesome post loca 6251, he should keep the look

uneven tendon
near cedar
#

Kei wa shinda

runic adder
#

at this point its most likely tsurugi that gets it

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or possibly norisuke

#

there are so many unknowns with the flashforward its hard to tell

near cedar
#

Nori is dead

uneven tendon
#

Actually, since they want to us the fruit to cure the rock disease, which Holly is also suffering from, that also mean that she would also be saved

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But the issue is that she will probably still have the missing parts from her brain

minor ore
#

Norisuke was knocked out wasn't he?

runic adder
#

he lost his hand iirc

near cedar
#

Idk looks pretty fuckin dead

#

His arm fell off yes

runic adder
minor ore
#

I did not notice that holy shit

uneven tendon
#

I think he is heavily injured, not dead

minor ore
#

Yeah my guy's fucking dead

runic adder
#

yea thats more likely dead

#

how tf is tsurugi carrying a grown man in a bag

uneven tendon
#

Jobin for instance probably used a lot more heat on the bully that attacked him when he was a kid, and he still managed to survive that

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But barely

minor ore
#

How is he carrying him upright too

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

i dont think its upright, just a weird angle

near cedar
runic adder
uneven tendon
#

TBH I'd be fine with Norisuke dying, I just don't think it's the case

runic adder
#

i think his injuries are terrible, just like jobins

#

there is a slim chance of return

minor ore
#

Norisuke will wake up and then die afterwards then right?

runic adder
#

maybe?

uneven tendon
#

What if Holly activates her Stand and heals them?

runic adder
#

we have no idea what pmk indicates in the flashforward

minor ore
#

Because he didn't have his hand cut by jobin

near cedar
runic adder
#

i thought jobin used speed king on the hand yea

near cedar
#

The heat thing Jobin used on him

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His hand fell off

#

Iirc

uneven tendon
#

What if Norisuke in the body bag during chapter 83 was actually Tooru?

#

And Tsurugi used PMK

minor ore
#

!!!!!!!

runic adder
#

which in fairness, could possibly be healed(not reattached but like, could still be alive)

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Because he wants that drip

runic adder
#

tooru is tsurugi future self confirmed joshu

uneven tendon
#

Also, imagine if Jobin's 2nd child has the strongest Stand in Jojolion

minor ore
#

I remember an old theory that WoU was tsurugi's true stand

runic adder
#

2nd child???

uneven tendon
#

Mitsuba was said to be 4 weeks pregnant

#

That's why she sacrificed her nose and other body parts

runic adder
#

yea but shes pregnant

#

i doubt the baby is gonna help them with its stand...

uneven tendon
#

You forgot about Baby Stand?

minor ore
#

That one seemed to cause more problems than it fixed

runic adder
#

it was probably written before HD reveal

#

wait has the gate been properly explained yet

#

when wou was there and the gate closed

minor ore
#

Satoru is such a great design

runic adder
#

but tsurugi also said they blacked out

runic adder
minor ore
#

Satoru has the most drip out of any JJL character

pure charm
#

Jojowion

uneven tendon
near cedar
uneven tendon
#

Incredible afro with teddy bears on his jacket

minor ore
uneven tendon
#

And base WoU also has massive dri

pure charm
runic adder
near cedar
#

Tsurugi is a dude tho, we know that

runic adder
#

wou and tooru in all its forms, have massive drip

uneven tendon
#

Also, do you think Holly actually knows what Josuke is, or was she having her normal episodes of confusing between people?

runic adder
#

yes i know, i just use they a lot, not trying to say anything about tsurugis gender preference

minor ore
#

Using "they" is a good habit tho

runic adder
pure charm
runic adder
pure charm
near cedar
runic adder
#

no

uneven tendon
#

Virgin Norisuke getting angry at Jobin for killing Ojiro vs chad Norisuke who is high fiving Jobin after he made an epic Mitsuo Aida reference

runic adder
#

norisuke is always chad, take that back

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

true true

near cedar
#

He wanted that???

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Yeah

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

TBH I think Norisuke's personality changed a bit from early Jojolion

runic adder
#

i guess he just grew to like josuke, and didnt want to capture him lmao

uneven tendon
#

Because Norisuke keeping Josuke as a slave is pretty inconsistent with his ''right path'' thing

near cedar
#

Did he even know what Daiya was doing considering they don't know what each other's stands do

runic adder
#

like ive said before, almost everyone in higashikata family was incredibly sketchy
tsurugi knew a lot of things and hinted a lot but they didnt really know much all things considered

near cedar
#

Early JJL: I think Norisuke is possibly the mv
Later: okay well that's a 180 NVM

runic adder
#

lmao basically

uneven tendon
#

Hato is probably the 2nd best person in the Higashikata family after Norisuke, and she also thought that Hawaii is in Japan

runic adder
#

nah hato is the best

#

shes very oblivious and all but shes kindhearted

uneven tendon
#

Falling in love with Damo was pretty stupid though

near cedar
#

If Norisuke was the best he'd raise his kids to not be cunts

runic adder
#

shes not a creep like daiya and joshu, isnt...whatever tsurugi is

near cedar
#

Except Hato she's not a cunt

runic adder
uneven tendon
runic adder
#

its successful cuz of whatever kaato said lol

#

and jobins money laundering

near cedar
#

Fuckin Kaato

runic adder
#

yea...

uneven tendon
#

Young Norisuke 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

runic adder
#

young norisuke is great

uneven tendon
#

Actually, isn't Norisuke technically the Jojo of this part?

inland oyster
#

his actual name can be read as jojo

#

same with josefumi

runic adder
#

and his name used to be josuke

#

literally

uneven tendon
#

His real name is Josuke, in the same way as part 4 Josuke's was written

kind owlBOT
#

@uneven tendon, Your Hamon Rank is now level 8 !

runic adder
#

but that doesnt make him "technically" the jojo

inland oyster
#

i think you can read joshu and jobin's names as jojo

uneven tendon
#

I don't think you can for Joshu and Jobin

runic adder
#

oh interesting

uneven tendon
#

They only have one Jo in their names

runic adder
#

but like, japanese can be read in multiple ways

#

like how josuke from part 4 counts as a jojo because suke can be read as jo

#

which was obviously the intent

uneven tendon
#

I don't think that applies to Jobin and Joshu

#

But I wish it was, because then I could say that Joshu is the best Jojo

minor ore
#

He doesn't have the birthmark so he can't be jojo

uneven tendon
#

Honestly it must really suck having to change your name to a guy who had 2 belly buttons

uneven tendon
minor ore
#

.. . ... .. . .. . .. .

#

Good point

sinful bramble
#

There is a scene in the anime where Part 4 Josuke’s birthmark shows

uneven tendon
#

That was added in the anime

sinful bramble
#

Oh

uneven tendon
#

You know, it's pretty funny that people used to say that Tooru is a good wholesome boy

#

And that he was too good for Yasuho

lost slate
#

In one of his first scenes he literally comments on how he fingered Yasuho, how's that possible

minor ore
#

Tooru was met with the largest wave of hate I've ever seen

uneven tendon
#

Even chads can flirt

uneven tendon
minor ore
#

A guy randomly pops up and reveals he's had vigorous sex with the MC's love interest and then steals his girl

near cedar
#

Somebody comes into the story and starts flirting with our boi's love interest

uneven tendon
#

TBF Tooru is a handsome chad

minor ore
#

Oh and then messages gappy to tell him he's gonna fuck his gf

uneven tendon
#

Like he's pretty well written

minor ore
#

The hate was warranted but he's an entertaining guy now

uneven tendon
#

I think people are also too harsh on his motivations

minor ore
#

You have to remember tooru's most significant characteristics back then were being completely unhelpful and trying to steal yasuho back

uneven tendon
#

Not only we don't know what he plans to do with the power he wants to get from the Locacaca, but technically Dio's early motivations were also just to get power

near cedar
minor ore
#

^

uneven tendon
#

I wasn't talking about early Tooru, I talk about Tooru currently

#

Like after WoU was revealed

minor ore
#

He's gonna make an immortality business

uneven tendon
#

I think people also like to say too much that Tooru is a pedo

near cedar
#

People

#

Said that?!

#

Wot

uneven tendon
#

Which isn't fully true, because when he first met her he wasn't sexually interested in her

uneven tendon
#

I even argued with a person who said that a few hours ago

near cedar
#

Wtf

uneven tendon
#

I guess if you meet someone as a kid and later go on to have a relationship with them makes you a pedo

minor ore
#

People like that are dumb and useless

near cedar
#

He didn't do dat tho

#

Far as we know

uneven tendon
#

Another thing to consider is that rock humans also don't care about ages or stuff like that

#

Since they live for like 240 years

minor ore
#

Nope

uneven tendon
#

Then that makes Prince Philip, who recently died, a pedo

minor ore
#

He didn't have a reltionship with her when she was a kid

inland oyster
#

A 30 year old meeting a 3 year old and then dating them when they're 15 makes them a pedo

uneven tendon
#

She wasn't 3 though

inland oyster
#

Which is essentially what tooru does lol

uneven tendon
#

She was like 9 or 10

minor ore
#

He waited till she grew, then he dated her

inland oyster
#

that isn't any better lol

minor ore
#

It's 100000% better

inland oyster
#

they dated when she was in high school and apparently had sexual interactions

#

that is pretty bad

uneven tendon
#

Yeah but he wasn't interested in her at that age, he just wanted her to use Paisley Park to get an identity to impersonate

minor ore
#

He could have easily kidnapped her in the forest or taken advantage at any point during her growth

near cedar
inland oyster
#

no

near cedar
#

Or do I remember wrong

#

Well

#

Shit then

uneven tendon
#

I am not trying to defend Tooru or anything, I just point out his intentions as far as we know weren't pedo intentions

inland oyster
#

she says they were in a relationship in high school

minor ore
#

But he chose to wait until she appeared to have the same age as him

inland oyster
#

It's implied they had sexual interactions lol

near cedar
#

Make it better

inland oyster
#

not even the same age what

uneven tendon
#

And in Japan the age of consent is 13

near cedar
#

Not used anywhere

inland oyster
#

literally not true

#

and that doesn't make it any better

near cedar
#

And either way

#

Age of consent being 13 does not make a 13 yo with a 30 yo right

minor ore
#

Anyway I'm saying if he was a pedo he'd absolutely kidnap her in the forest

near cedar
inland oyster
#

if he wasn't a pedo they wouldn't have had sex of some kind lol

uneven tendon
#

It is still wrong, I just don't think that grooming is one of Tooru's many crimes

inland oyster
#

it's

#

it's literally a crime

#

you can't do this lol

near cedar
#

Well

#

It looks like a Valentine situation

minor ore
#

Pedo discussions often derail into semantics and people forget they're attracted to prepubescent kids, he didn't have any romantic/sexual interest in her until she reached the age of consent

uneven tendon
#

And even then he was mostly using her

inland oyster
#

She was in high school

minor ore
#

Which is pretty early in japan, it's 15 or 16 isn't it?

uneven tendon
#

It's 13

inland oyster
#

liam

minor ore
#

Its not

inland oyster
#

that's not true

#

It's 17-18 AFAIK

minor ore
#

It depends on the region iirc

inland oyster
#

well morioh isn't real

#

so EmotiShrug

near cedar
uneven tendon
sinful bramble
#

I think 13 is the minimum age of consent that Japan’s regions can set, but all of them have it higher (I think)

minor ore
#

Yeah

uneven tendon
#

I hope we get more info on that in chapter 106

#

And on Tooru in general

#

Like I said, Araki will probably pull a Valentine and have his entire backstory and motivations shown while he is in pain

inland oyster
#

last 3 chapters had a flashback

#

tooru will probably get a flashback

minor ore
#

Point is tooru never kidnapped, groomed or showed any intimate interest in a child that got lost in a forest, not a pedo in my book

near cedar
#

This fight will last forever

hard meteor
#

We’ve had his backstory and motivations shown already

uneven tendon
#

But not fully

near cedar
#

WoU will never end

uneven tendon
#

The Wonder of U? More like: The Wonder of Rock Insects

#

Obladi Oblada best villain in Jojo

inland oyster
minor ore
#

Rock insects are ridiculously cheesy

near cedar
#

How many insects can he pull out of his ass

inland oyster
#

bout 4

uneven tendon
hard meteor
uneven tendon
near cedar
uneven tendon
minor ore
#

You can't gauge rock humans' ages the same as ours since they live like 2 centuries

inland oyster
#

I'm basing it off the birth we see

near cedar
inland oyster
#

In 99, the city he's walking towards has highways and decently sized buildings

runic adder
uneven tendon
#

Dio was also technically desiring a minor in part 1 (Poco's sister) and nobody mentions that

near cedar
runic adder
inland oyster
#

@uneven tendon don't tell jojo twit bout this....

near cedar
#

I don't think we'll get more flashbacks of him

#

He's dead af

#

That's what it means

runic adder
#

I think josuke will learn about rais past, he’s dead for sure tho

minor ore
#

Rai is dead but still giving exposition

#

Anything is possible

hard meteor
inland oyster
#

rai's backstory gets retconned lo

runic adder
uneven tendon
runic adder
#

And I think rais backstory got retconned for a reason. He didn’t need more motivation to kill tooru, he had enough without a revenge idea.

minor ore
#

We need more bubble spin exposition from rai next chapter

#

One more for old time's sake

runic adder
#

And let’s toss in the josefumi and Kira equivalent exchange again, so readers know what happened

uneven tendon
#

''Josuke, your bubbles, they're not only spinning, but they also have a Stand hidden inside them''

#

''It's called Tusk act 5''

runic adder
#

Joshu disassembles the bubble with nkc next chapter

uneven tendon
#

Also, is it possible that Born This Way's wheels represent the Spin?

#

Kei is also a descendant of Johnny

runic adder
#

Ehhhhh

#

I doubt it

#

Since kei is dead it would just be a weird thing to bring up

#

It doesn’t have much importance

minor ore
#

Jojolion ends, tooru is defeated... you flip past the end title card and find 5 more pages of rai explaining the bubble spin

uneven tendon
#

I also think we should get an explanation on how Mamezuku learned about the Spin

runic adder
#

I think you know how

uneven tendon
runic adder
#

What would josukes hair be like

minor ore
#

He was hiding a pompadour under there

uneven tendon
#

And shows he retained Josefumi's pompadour, but upgraded

runic adder
#

Upgrade!! How?

#

Josefumi already got a great pompadour

uneven tendon
#

He used the Spin to get cool swirls, similar to Tooru

minor ore
#

Another pomp stacked on top of it

runic adder
#

Incredible

inland oyster
#

he has a pompadour 100%

#

the sides just grew

runic adder
#

and it all fits inside his hat

inland oyster
#

it could

uneven tendon
#

Shame Josefumi's haircut wasn't as good as Kira's

#

Or Damo's

#

Or Tooru's

#

Or Jobin's

runic adder
#

Using the infinite spin he is able to compress infinite pompadours inside his hat, he has to keep the hat on for fear of the pompadours rapidly expanding

minor ore
#

I like to think he doesn't have any crazy hair

uneven tendon
#

If he has 4 balls, everything is possible

runic adder
#

I don’t think we will ever see his real hair, im just gonna assume he’s bald on the top

minor ore
#

You guys notice how josuke kinda grows out his hair through the part?

#

He starts off with a buzzcut

uneven tendon
#

Also, saying Josuke has massive drip isn't true

#

Becuase his clothes were Kira's

runic adder
minor ore
#

Josuke has drip

#

More than kira

uneven tendon
#

It's a shame Josuke didn't use the Spin to give himself a haircut

minor ore
#

Early gappy was pretty funky

runic adder
#

He was kinda weird

#

He’s matured a lot

uneven tendon
#

A lot of Jojolion designs were weird

#

Jobin for instance looked completely different

minor ore
#

NO

#

Don't remind us

#

Some knowledge needs to remain forgotten.......

hard meteor
#

Beta jobin

runic adder
#

Jobin looked awful early design

#

I didn’t like the four scars he had under his eyes lol

minor ore
#

He probably would have looked better on a close-up? Still disgusting

runic adder
#

I hate this panel of him

minor ore
#

Oh we're not talking about that

#

That design is great

runic adder
#

You’re not?

uneven tendon
#

It's also funny how Tsurugi started off as a 2 year old and then changed into a 10 year old

runic adder
#

Oh yea that was funny

minor ore
#

Oh boy, let me see if i can find the panel

runic adder
#

I prefer tsurugi to have an active role than be a toddler

uneven tendon
#

I prefer Tsurugi to be the one to beat Tooru

#

He wants to steal the plant that can save his life

runic adder
#

This design?

uneven tendon
#

Yes

runic adder
#

Yea it’s ugly af

minor ore
#

Yeah

hard meteor
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Yeah that’s the one

runic adder
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Yea his design does morph a lot lol

uneven tendon
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Araki forgot about ugly designs, so he gave the characters better designs

runic adder
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I mean, there are still ugly characters

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Ojiro looks pretty ugly until ojiro again

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The journalist dude that dies instantly

uneven tendon
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Not everyone can look as good as Poor Tom