jojolion

[golden latch]

No

[runic adder]

its not that they spin really fast, they are infinitely small

[rugged turret]

But due to rock bugs it’s power is still strong

[frozen charm]

Infinitely thin

The lines are

They do not exist

[runic adder]

they are threads so infinitely thin to 0 that they do not exist

[frozen charm]

In this world atleast

It's not 0

[rugged turret]

It’s like joylene

[runic adder]

what part of infinitely thin dont you understand
its a paradox

thats what makes it work

[hard meteor]

jojo fan moment

[rugged turret]

Hers were invisible too

[frozen charm]

It's like 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

[runic adder]

because its almost like, just a mathematical equation

[frozen charm]

But way more zeros

[golden latch]

Plank thickness

[frozen charm]

An infinite amount of zeros

[runic adder]

the plot armor to...the main jojo?

the plot armor that has invisible bubbles established since chapter 1?

[supple totem]

what would be a cool sound effect for wou's ability?

[runic adder]

and foreshadowed for 30 chapters?

[white pasture]

wish josuke bubbles were kinda more consistent

[rugged turret]

I hate when ppl say plot armor lol

[hard meteor]

again not an asspull its been a concept since chapter 1

[rugged turret]

Like every show has plot armor dude

[golden latch]

Pretty necessarily

[runic adder]

bruh "plot armor" have you seen josuke only getting saved cuz locacaca 6251, rai and kei, jobin, norisuke

tsurugi

half the cast are all undergoing major problems

[rugged turret]

I want more consistency too but it’s jojo I’m not exactly reading for that or expecting it all the time

[golden latch]

That proves plot armor more

[hard meteor]

same, complaining about "plot armor"argument for the literal main character is fucking stupid

[rugged turret]

Wdym

[runic adder]

how so, any more than a normal jojo part

[golden latch]

Every show needs plot armor

[modern sable]

n o

[golden latch]

The main character can't die

[runic adder]

they dont if they're well thought out

if an author was really smart they would find ways to balance abilities

[modern sable]

PLOT ARMOR MY ASS

WE DONT NEEED PLOT ARMOR

[pure creek]

Why does gappy have bubbles which is basically long range whitesnake disc attack along with explosive bubbles and the ability to erase things with the bubbles and also spin along with being the 3rd physically strongest stand

[rugged turret]

Do u think hxh has plot armor?

[runic adder]

never seen it

[rugged turret]

They do but many fans say it dosent lol

[rugged turret]

Ah ok

[runic adder]

what

[hard meteor]

what

[rugged turret]

Hunter x hunter

[runic adder]

long range...whitesnake?

[hard meteor]

whitesnake??

[golden latch]

Firstly

[runic adder]

explosive bubbles have yknow, been around for a while

[golden latch]

Whitesnake is already long range

[runic adder]

if kira had them ofc josuke has them

[golden latch]

Secondly what

What part of whitesnake

Whitesnake has like 5 abilities

[runic adder]

yea how is whitesnake able to use bubbles lol

[white pasture]

its more like cream bubbles

[runic adder]

yea thats how i like to think of it

[pure creek]

Oi joske I just stole your hair style and ate this strange fruit and now I have no memories ain’t that wacky

[runic adder]

they're just cream bubbles that can explode

[frozen charm]

Shush

[runic adder]

but josuke cant control them well

[rugged turret]

@runic adder what have u seen that dosent have plot armor

[frozen charm]

Josuke cannot spin his balls

[runic adder]

csm iirc

[pure creek]

In chapter 106 he shoots a nail bullet

[white pasture]

were the bubbles that rai got hit with the birthmark ones or normal

[frozen charm]

Josuke beats tooru by spinning his balls, causing extreme testicular torsion

[runic adder]

normal, (which still come from birthmark)

[pure creek]

Oh god no

[runic adder]

they were traps set for WOU

but calamity caused rai to hit them

[white pasture]

that blew holes in him tho

[rugged turret]

Haven’t read it but I’ll see when the anime comes

[runic adder]

normal bubbles still have explosion

[white pasture]

isnt it more like a normal explosion

with aoe

[rugged turret]

That’s what he was telling josuke

[runic adder]

damn soft and wet do be the most op jojo stand

[frozen charm]

!w spin

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Spin

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Spin

The Spin (回転, Kaiten, literally "rotation") is a supernatural phenomenon wielded by multiple key characters in Steel Ball Run and JoJolion.

[frozen charm]

Might wanna

[pure creek]

That moment when you break into David productions and you see Rohan merch

[rugged turret]

And burn it

[zenith blaze]

No more Rohan!!

[runic adder]

no more gucci bags!

[white pasture]

i like da rohan ovas

[vernal portal]

Soft and Wet? More like soft and weak

[hard meteor]

L

[white pasture]

soft and wet is like what

number 4 stand

[frozen charm]

Rohan dies in the ova

[runic adder]

what no

[frozen charm]

Araki made it just to kill rohan off

(real)

[runic adder]

its very op(strongest jojo stand outside of star platinum:TW i think)

[hard meteor]

Ye

[white pasture]

i think his bubbles move in TS

[hard meteor]

Easily top 3 at this point

[runic adder]

we dont know that

[frozen charm]

Joshu can move in stopped time

It's canon

[white pasture]

cuz of the logic thing

[frozen charm]

Araki told me

[vernal portal]

Made in heaven, king crimson, Gold Experience,

[hard meteor]

This is true

[runic adder]

given that tusk could move, its possible...but i doubt it

and tusk can probs move cuz golden spin

[frozen charm]

No

[white pasture]

just the bubbles

[frozen charm]

Only joshu can

[white pasture]

not josuk

[runic adder]

the bubbles might be able to

[pure creek]

Gappy will kill The head doctor by saying: so it’s the same type of stand as Soft and Wet

[hard meteor]

Doesn’t need to

[vernal portal]

Tons of stands are infinitely better then Soft and weak

[white pasture]

soft and wet is on tusk act 4 level

[zenith blaze]

When your stand bleeds while hitting a rock but is still one of the strongest stands

[runic adder]

lol no

its very good but not quite there

[hard meteor]

It’s close to it

[white pasture]

josuke is gonna get even more stacked

i do not want to believe rai

he will control it!

[vernal portal]

I don't know if is you can beat infinity with interdimensional bubbles

[frozen charm]

Soft or wet

[vernal portal]

Why not both

[zenith blaze]

Soft and wet strongest stand!!

[runic adder]

that would be way too op

[frozen charm]

No only one

[vernal portal]

Both 🍴

[frozen charm]

Ok

You've crossed the line

Neither.

[runic adder]

also, i think that if josuke could control the bubbles, then wouldnt the bubbles be "pursuing" WOU, cancelling out their advantage?

[frozen charm]

Yes

They don't exist

So they can't be calamited

[runic adder]

they cant be calamitied, but if josuke can control the bubbles
that counts as intent to pursue

so josuke would be calamitied

[white pasture]

its gonna be a matchup of which one kills the other first

calamity or bubble

[hard meteor]

Pretty much

[runic adder]

thats how most of jojo works

[pure creek]

Breaking news: man almost loses legs when he got hit by a table

[hard meteor]

And so far it looks like the bubbles gonna hit first

[runic adder]

tooru will definitely get hit by the bubble

then plane door...we dont know yet

we can make some guesses about it

[hard meteor]

It’ll either hit tooru and get sent somewhere else

It be funny if it just hit a random person like Mitsuba

[runic adder]

why would it get hit somewhere else

given that if someone is getting calamitied, the calamity has to happen

or a calamity

so even if by some bs plane door is stopped cuz of the bubble, a calamity will still land

[hard meteor]

Why wouldn’t it?,it’s not gonna hit yasuho or joshu so it’s either gonna hit someone else or not hit at all

[runic adder]

why wouldnt it hit either of them

[hard meteor]

Well for starters

[runic adder]

joshu will probably just break apart the door with NKC

[white pasture]

joshu uses nut king

with dark determination

[runic adder]

lmao

[hard meteor]

Joshu was confirmed to survive in chapter 83(yeah I guess he could break the door) maybe I don’t know how likely that is

[runic adder]

california king bed possibility

but yea i get what you mean

[hard meteor]

And yasuhos basically the narrator of this story so she not dying

[runic adder]

unless the flashforward is retconned everyone will survive

i mean, the people we see

+jobin, no way hes dead

and yasuho, like you said

[frozen charm]

Jobin is dead

[runic adder]

was mitsuba seen in the flashforward? i dont think so

[runic adder]

sure buddy

[frozen charm]

Araki told me

[runic adder]

araki is my uncle

[hard meteor]

Yeah she’s missing

[white pasture]

speed king is just killer queen 4 but only first bomb lol

[runic adder]

im not entirely sure anything major will happen to her

[runic adder]

he also has the long range attack

and the hidden abilities

[white pasture]

hidden abilities..

[runic adder]

yes

[hard meteor]

hidden abilities

[runic adder]

could be retconned by now but i believe they will pull through

hidden abilities is obviously an allusion to requiem

speed king requiem will return next chapter

[zenith blaze]

🥵 🥵 🥵

[supple totem]

[zenith blaze]

Jojolion ending: hato goes to the Mall and in the way accidentally stabs tooru with her long ass heels.

[sullen prairie]

honestly the spin reveal is prob my favorite twist in all of jojo

besides maybe the world in sbr

[frozen charm]

The world was kinda

Sus.

[white pasture]

where

where is gappy mentioned in jojolion

[sullen prairie]

never

[rugged turret]

[supple totem]

[rugged turret]

Replay is a good song

[supple totem]

yes

[rugged turret]

Amazing

[minor ore]

So happy to be getting chapter 106 this month it better be great.

[hard meteor]

yessir

[winter spade]

Rai and his Thicc self will live on through flat ass josuke

[runic adder]

rai is caked up

[winter spade]

Double cheeked up on a Thursday

[minor ore]

didnt know therre is part 8 wow

[winter spade]

It is indeed a thing

And still being published monthly

[runic adder]

yea its pretty pog

weak?

bruh?

weak?

its a one shot stand

if you are in its range you can be one shot

its like, the metallica of part 8

[hard meteor]

Did you speedread the manga or something lmao

Literal one hit kill stand

[runic adder]

when did he have...to touch you?

[hard meteor]

Not true lol

Re read the ojiro chapters

[runic adder]

what about when he raised the temperature

[hard meteor]

Re read ozone baby

[runic adder]

and set fire to the orchard

or killed ojiro

he didnt need to touch them

speed king can affect anything within 10 cm

doesnt need to be touching him

and he can bypass the 10 cm by storing heat

[hard meteor]

Yes

[runic adder]

again?

he killed norisuke a first time?

he killed norisuke cuz norisuke would have tried to stop him

[hard meteor]

He found out jobins plan and that he killed people so jobin freaked out and merked him

[runic adder]

what was he supposed to do in that situation

i mean that is what he did

his dad was right next to him

[hard meteor]

That’s exactly what he did lol

[runic adder]

and king nothing def couldnt beat jobin

cuz norisuke isnt jobin

[hard meteor]

He can’t fight back

[runic adder]

doesnt have the resolve

[hard meteor]

This stand isn’t built for combat

[runic adder]

thats what the whole situation with jobin and norisuke is about, norisuke doesnt have the resolve jobin has

i mean, king nothing is basically a better moody blues

it can be moody blues + more

[hard meteor]

Cause it looks cool humanoid

[runic adder]

it does, just not that much

its close to useless in combat tho

lol

[winter spade]

King nothing is made up of puzzle pieces so it’d probably break apart if it tried to brute force something above its power range

Yeah

Unless DP burns to the ground or something yeah

[hard meteor]

In the next couple of years yeah

[runic adder]

"couple"

maybe at the end of the decade

close to the last few years

[hard meteor]

Probably

It’ll still take a long time for 8 to get animated

[runic adder]

well this is just an estimate if dp stays the same as it is rn

jojolion? in 4 years?

bruh you high on hopium

[hard meteor]

Doubt it

[runic adder]

we'll probably get sbr in 4 years

[hard meteor]

Sbr in 4 years is more likely

[runic adder]

if so comes out this year

or the next year

[frozen charm]

King nothing is the strongest jojo stand

My dad told me

[runic adder]

iwasuke pog

great pfp

[winter spade]

Why can araki draw near perfect anatomical horses but can’t draw Iwasuke to look like anything but a pile of melted wax?

[frozen charm]

Iwasuke is not an actual dog

That's why

Rock.dog

You silly goose

[heavy ledge]

He is what he is dont be rude

[frozen charm]

You are a silly goose @winter spade

[heavy ledge]

Poor thing is all alone and hairless

[frozen charm]

Iwasuke is the strongest jojo lion

[winter spade]

I was about to say rock animals don’t look that strange but no they do

[frozen charm]

Character

Iwasuke is immune to the calamity

[heavy ledge]

Theres a rock animal in the shape of a cookie so they can be like that

[winter spade]

Iwasuke can singlehandedly defeat KC, GER, D4C, and WoU all at once

[hard meteor]

true

[winter spade]

Without using his stand

[frozen charm]

His stand destroys the universe

[runic adder]

He will kill tooru

[runic adder]

One of the rock animals is legit just an asbestos machine

Like how

[frozen charm]

Hes going to go through tooru half way and then become solid again

Tooru will get doughnuted

[winter spade]

I fucking swear if tooru is protected from this next shot or dodges it or does something else and then acts smug I will travel to araki’s golden mansion and tell him he’s doing a great job

[summer nova]

he can't dodge this one

it's over

[hard meteor]

yep

[kind owl]

@hard meteor, Your Hamon Rank is now level 28 !

[summer nova]

dude's gonna be spinning with explosions n shit

[winter spade]

Can wait until we see just how not over it really is

[hard meteor]

toorus fucked,there a 0 percent chance that bubble misses

[summer nova]

all of the bubbles that wonder of u has deflected did not have the explosive spin

[winter spade]

Tooru is gonna use a full 2% of his power and just throw us back to square one

[summer nova]

this is the first explosive spin bubble that is headed towards tooru

[heavy ledge]

Gappy t pose spinning explosions

[summer nova]

i wonder what the explosive spin will do to tooru

maybe it will put him in a superposition between existence and non-existence or something

[hard meteor]

maybe

[heavy ledge]

Like me

[summer nova]

bro

that's deep

[hard meteor]

that or it just decimates him

[summer nova]

i doubt it

we've seen what spinning things can do in SBR

[viral plume]

Next chapter I want the explosive spin to be actually explosive and just blow him up in chunks like terminators fatality in mk11

[summer nova]

i doubt it will be a simple explosion

[viral plume]

I want araki to draw an alt story page

[winter spade]

That’s too normal of an end for Tooru

[viral plume]

I know...but I need it

[winter spade]

That man killed 2 of my favorite jojolion characters

[viral plume]

I want him to explode into meat

[winter spade]

He deserves some extra dimensional punishment from that explosive spin

[summer nova]

yeah there will probably be some kind of aftereffect

[viral plume]

Ill ask someone to draw that for me

[summer nova]

like with the infinite rotation on valentine

[winter spade]

I do wonder where jojolion is gonna go after Tooru is dead

Josuke still needs to decide between his mother and Tsurugi

[hard meteor]

back to the higashikata plotline,that still needs to be resolved

[winter spade]

There’s only one new rokakaka now

[hard meteor]

yeah

[winter spade]

And we still don’t know how we get to the flash forwards

AND WE STILL DONT KNOW WHO THAT DAMN GUY JOSUKE REMEBERED WAS IN LIKE CHAPTER 6

[rocky charm]

5

[primal dagger]

Just fuse Tsurugi and Holy

[winter spade]

It’s probably an early design for Tamaki Damo but still

[hard meteor]

but then again rai mentioned his spin could overcome curses,maybe he doesnt need the fruit for holly now?

[winter spade]

I think he was talking more metaphorically

Since WoU basically has the powers of a curse

Random events you can’t control that seem to be targeting you

Explosive spin can go beyond logic and beyond the powers of a curse

Idk how he would remove the disease from holly using that lol

[summer nova]

yeah unless rai was just shitting

[winter spade]

Watch him just accidentally blow her up or something

[summer nova]

it does make u wonder what role the rokakaka fruit will play

considering that it seems that the explosive spin bubbles are apparently able to do the same thing

[winter spade]

I also still think this all ties back into the saints corpse being brought to morioh temporarily

The wall eyes atleast

[rocky charm]

Rai shouldn't have been able to know anything about Jousuke's new bubble, he was just talking out of his ass

[winter spade]

Maybe the rock humans stands too

[winter spade]

Anyone who is directly hit by one of his bubbles seems to understand the power they have

As soon as Tooru was hit by one he got his stand to book it out of there

The dude who was literally calm when death was 2 cm away is now having his stand run away from josuke as fast as it can

Ok slowly walk but that’s still notable for WoU

[rocky charm]

he m e a n d e r

[minor ore]

WoU probably has a D in speed

[winter spade]

I wonder if that’s just how the stand moves or it’s because he’s still impersonating the head doctor

The base stand form looked quite agile

[minor ore]

yeah he moved his cane fairly fast to hit things

[winter spade]

Cane stand rush

[minor ore]

but he walks like a turtle

[winter spade]

Also it is now confirmed that what killed Poor Tom was a calamity?

[hard meteor]

yes

[winter spade]

Since Tooru was in that ambulance and Tom was trying to “pursue” him

[minor ore]

how did poor tom die again?

i forget

i gotta reread JJL

[winter spade]

He got something shot through his mouth/jaw

[kind owl]

@winter spade, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !

[winter spade]

We never saw what it was I don’t think

[hard meteor]

he was pursuing tooru and wu to give them the branch and calamity shot him in the head

or mouth

[winter spade]

Mangadex is down rn but I have to reread those chapters

Wait I think I have them downloaded

Not in color but it’ll do

[kind owl]

@rocky charm, Your Hamon Rank is now level 21 !

[rocky charm]

It appears that the water from the firefighters "crashed into" and killed him

[viral plume]

I dont think thats the water, wasnt that a gunshot?

[runic adder]

Wait that looks like a gunshot instead

It looks like what happened to Johnny

[winter spade]

Yeah it entered from the side

We see what happens when rain becomes a calamity

[runic adder]

Unless Johnny was hit by a calamity lol

[runic adder]

Strange

[winter spade]

And it just pierces you from where the rain hits

[runic adder]

I didn’t think wou could change direction, just acceleration of rain

[winter spade]

And it doesn’t blow a hole through your entire head

Josuke had some nasty hits on him but it wasn’t fatal

[runic adder]

Yea, and he got healed by the locacaca anyways

[winter spade]

Although with the unexplained karmic aspect of WoU maybe poor Tom just got zapped immediately

[runic adder]

Yea

What is the karmic element of wou?

[winter spade]

Remember the murderer in the cell with rai?

[runic adder]

I would assume it’s just the misfortune that falls upon a pursuer

[winter spade]

Rai pursued the head doctor in his cell and got stuff like bugs in his food or the light bulb popping

The murderer pursued the head doctor and had his entire throat carved out

[rocky charm]

Well that's because Rai is a main character, and the prisoner was disposable

[viral plume]

Rai only thought about pursueing him, but didnt actually commit an act with the intent to pursue

[winter spade]

So did the murderer tho

[runic adder]

Rai was such a badass in that scene

[winter spade]

Since he only saw a picture of the stand

[viral plume]

No, didnt he stand up and do stuff

[winter spade]

Yeah

That’s what I said

[viral plume]

So you agree the conditions for both were different?

[winter spade]

Neither could actively pursue the head doctor in their cell but just thinking about it is enough for a calamity

[runic adder]

It is plot armor but the guy in the cell still did more

[viral plume]

Sure, its very very weak plotarmor

[winter spade]

But the effects of the calamity were vastly different between the two of them

[viral plume]

Because the two of them did different things :3

[runic adder]

Because calamity is inconsistent

[viral plume]

Nah

[runic adder]

And yea they did different things

[viral plume]

If calamity is inconsistent, its not inconsistent here

[runic adder]

I mean, rai for sure doesn’t have plot armor anymore lol

[winter spade]

Rip

[viral plume]

[viral plume]

Mans got drilled open like hes in a mk11 rain fatality

[runic adder]

I’m just talking about severity of calamity

It’s Inconsistent a lot

[viral plume]

[runic adder]

But that’s understandable

[viral plume]

In general I can agree, but I dont remember the arc fully, need to do a second looksie

[runic adder]

So I wouldn’t say that’s plot armor but just like; an aspect impossible to do lol

[runic adder]

For every calamity to be the same severity at the same range would be very hard to write

[minor ore]

It’d be way 2 hard to pull off

[runic adder]

Yea exactly

[viral plume]

Its hard to write, but I think araki would be able to do it. Hell he writes out really big spreadsheets on each character, if you believe his book on writing.

[outer smelt]

I bought that but i have not read it

[runic adder]

Except when he retconned rai

[viral plume]

I dont even think this is that difficult, make a big spreadsheet and establish very clearly what the consequence is for each calamity

[runic adder]

But calamities differ depending on the situation

Not everywhere is gonna have food that conveniently rots

[viral plume]

I repeat my exact same statement

[runic adder]

I’m not talking about consequence of an individual calamity but the average severity for a calamity

In a certain range of wou

[minor ore]

Just feels unnecessary at that point

[viral plume]

Make a big spread sheet on general effects on the person. Like longlasting/slower/small pain and suffering

[minor ore]

It’d be different if it was individual

[runic adder]

Yea it would be way too much effort for one stand

[sudden nymph]

April 4th will announce Joshu ova
Proof- my dad is araki

[runic adder]

Even if it’s the main villain stand

[minor ore]

Exactly

[rocky charm]

So the guy who murdered a bunch of children gets stabbed through the neck because "Karmic retribution" because he's a bad guy

Sure

[runic adder]

Milagro man ova before jojolion

Can’t wait

[winter spade]

Rereading chapter 96 rai straight up says that how you interact with society and your karma will affect the form of the calamities

[rocky charm]

But THIS guy

What the hell did HE do?????

Is he also a serial killer?

[winter spade]

He’s worse

A journalist

[minor ore]

Joshu best character

[viral plume]

I feel like you should put that kind of effort in every stand imo

[winter spade]

Rimshot

[sudden nymph]

Fax

[runic adder]

True but that’s a lot of work for a monthly manga

[viral plume]

Araki goes on hiatus constantly

[sudden nymph]

Maybe something hit him that we didn’t see

[minor ore]

And it’s not even the main villain stand

[viral plume]

Like SO often

[winter spade]

I think there’s a difference in the severity of the calamity if you’re directly pursuing the actual stand and not his illusions that are trying to get you to pursue them

[runic adder]

I would love it if every stand had a ton of detail, it would reduce inconsistencies, but I just don’t think it’s feasible

[runic adder]

Weellllll

That’s a subject for a debate lol

[minor ore]

True

[rocky charm]

My point is that Rai brings up "karmic retribution" in Chapter 96, saying that bad people will be affected more by WoU

[winter spade]

Although we don’t know a lot about WoU so that’s speculation on my part

[minor ore]

We have to wait for that answer

[rocky charm]

But then Chapter 97 some journalist gets instakilled by WoU

[runic adder]

And when tooru dies next chapter we won’t know anything more

[viral plume]

This is a stand that deserves it, it talks about calamities general to a characters situation and actions, those are allot of variables that you need to keep in mind. How do you? Make a reference. Said reference being: a spreadsheet!

[minor ore]

Jobin debate

[runic adder]

Aight I’m ready to debate

[sudden nymph]

Oh then maybe he’s extremely manipulative

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/piano-bruce-almighty-keyboard-keyboard-warrior-fast-typing-gif-3416345

[minor ore]

Alive or dead

[winter spade]

Araki hasn’t had enemy stand users or others lie about their abilities before this

[runic adder]

Schrodingers jobin

[minor ore]

LMAO

[sudden nymph]

If I was araki I wouldn’t kill him yet but araki can be a little weird with character deaths so who knows

[winter spade]

So im not inclined to buy that “oh he was just lying” explanation

[runic adder]

I feel like even if tooru is a main villain 3 deaths is a lot

[minor ore]

Pretty spot on honestly, I’m hoping he’s alive tho

[viral plume]

[runic adder]

And if we count norisuke, that could be 4 deaths total in this arc

[viral plume]

We doing this main villain speal again?

[winter spade]

Tooru is a pretty perfect opposite to josuke

[sudden nymph]

Always lol

[hard meteor]

it never ends

[viral plume]

[runic adder]

Nah I’m just saying it’s a lot of deaths, at least one of them should be a fakeout

[rocky charm]

Does "My Stand is unbeatable" count as a lie?

[runic adder]

But given the hands...

[viral plume]

Jojolion. Does. Not. Need. A. Main. Villain.

[winter spade]

Well Tooru himself isn’t aware of how exactly a calamity will manifest so even he’s somewhat blurry on his ability

[rocky charm]

Is Kira the main villain of Part 4

[frozen charm]

His ability is too confusing, even for him

[winter spade]

And the only time where his stand isn’t perfectly protecting him he’s having it leave the area before any more harm comes to him

[viral plume]

I do not see the relevance. But yes.

[rocky charm]

Then Jojolion WILL have a main villain

No matter what

Because "main villain" describes whoever is the final fight at the end of the Part

[viral plume]

Im not arguing if it will, you mango

[white pasture]

main villain tooru 😄

[viral plume]

Im saying it doesnt need it in the way its constructed so far. Its a battle against a group of rock humans. That is all that we would need for jojolion to work.

[winter spade]

The main villain of this part is whoever colored in tooru’s clothes

Goddamn

[minor ore]

^

Tooru or Jobin

[white pasture]

then the final rock human is main villain

[rocky charm]

And that group has a "leader", who will be fought at the end of the part

And thus gets defined as the "main villain"

[frozen charm]

The final rock human is yasuho

Yasuho is rock human

(canon)

[minor ore]

DIO comes back in the last arc

[winter spade]

You can catch the rokakaka Tooru but can you catch some hoes with a fit like that?

[rugged turret]

The teddy bear pulls them in

[hard meteor]

I got your final villain right here

[white pasture]

jojolion doesnt need

but what if it did

much better 👍

[runic adder]

It doesn’t need it but there’s a good chance there will be a main villain

[viral plume]

I wouldnt call them that out of bitterness and the fact they havent shown up at all. Also, they would be a final boss, not the main villain, because your definition would make Rolling Stones and Alt Universe Diego, who are not main villains.

[minor ore]

I feel like there’s gotta be

[runic adder]

Tooru has been kinda...manipulating everything from behind the scenes

I just wish he showed up earlier

[minor ore]

Me 2

[runic adder]

Instead of only showing up in his arc like every other rock human

He’s definitely not the final boss tho

[minor ore]

Even just a little appearance before could’ve done a lot

[winter spade]

I do like how much backstory yasuho has gotten during the run of jojolion

We’ve flashed back to her past like 3 times so far

It’s great

[runic adder]

Yea she’s gotten a lot of good parts for a jobro

Can’t beat gyro but I would say second best jobro

[rocky charm]

Rolling Stones is a prequel and alt-Diego was a post-game that was set up by the main villain and was much shorter. High Voltage is basically an epilogue, as is Rolling Stones.

[frozen charm]

Mystery man is araki self insert btw

🪤

[viral plume]

Doesnt matter what you call them. They were introduced as the final enemies of the story.

I am going literal on this bitch

[runic adder]

I can’t wait for when he finally appears again

He looks so cool

[winter spade]

High voltage is the capstone for steel ball run but the story climaxed when Johnny and valentine fight

[rocky charm]

And besides that, someone doesn't need to show up in order to be the main villain. Tooru is the leader of the Rock Humans, and has sent multiple people after Kira, Josefumi, and Jousuke

Tooru has set up so many situations, even if he hasn't gotten screentime

[minor ore]

Agreed

[viral plume]

Every single main villain has shown up before. This man has not. If hes the final opponent of jojolion, he would still be the final boss.

[sullen prairie]

look at part 3 dio for instance

[kind owl]

@sullen prairie, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[viral plume]

We knew from the fucking beginning that Dio is the orchestrator of it all.

He was introduced as soon as part 3 started.

[runic adder]

by that definition jobin is main villain

[winter spade]

Both Kira and Diavolo were only “introduced” halfway through the part

[runic adder]

How is that the same as tooru in any way lol

[winter spade]

But their influence stretched back to the very start

[viral plume]

No, because hes already dead

[winter spade]

Just like tooru

[runic adder]

Ugh I can’t start another debate rn lmao

[viral plume]

Ill beat you

[rocky charm]

If you really want to argue that, Tooru's first appearance is in Chapter 76, even if he's shadowed and we don't know "who" he is

His next appearance is in Chapter 81 during the Wu arc

And then he showed up multiple times during Wonder of U before we finally learned who he was

PLUS Jojolion is OBVIOUSLY set up to be a MYSTERY story

[white pasture]

chapter 99 cover "all events are consolidating to this man"

[winter spade]

Didn’t we first meet him when yasuho bumped into him in the hospital?

[rocky charm]

So it won't hold to the same "tell use who the main villain is halfway through"

[runic adder]

Yea officially

[rocky charm]

He's in the ambulance when Poor Tom dies

[winter spade]

Yeah ik that

[white pasture]

he used wou to 1 shot poor tom

[rocky charm]

As I said, we don't know who he is, but he's there

[runic adder]

Yea but we didn’t really see him

He means “meet”

[viral plume]

Hmmmmm

[winter spade]

I’m just thinking about the setup for him story wise

[viral plume]

Eh

[rocky charm]

OK then we don't meet Diavolo until the last few arcs of Part 5, so he can't be the main villain.

[runic adder]

I’m arguing that tooru is the main villain

Lol

You’re thinking of me on the wrong side

I’m just talking about when we actually see tooru

And not a shadow version of him

[rocky charm]

Yeah, first time we see his design is when Yasuho meets him during Doctor Wu

[runic adder]

So yes, when yasuho bumps into him at the hospital

[viral plume]

I mean, not halfway through the plot, so...ya know

[winter spade]

Which should have really been a big hint he was the dude in the ambulance now that I think about it

[minor ore]

Hospital chase goated

[runic adder]

I thought it was wu lol

[winter spade]

Wu was in the ambulance too

[rocky charm]

There are multiple people in the ambulance

[winter spade]

I believe he was the one who leaned out the back and grabbed the fake rokakaka branch

[runic adder]

No way??? An ambulance can fit more than one person???

[winter spade]

Impossible

[runic adder]

Damn bro that’s crazy

[rocky charm]

We see these shoes step out of the Ambulance

[runic adder]

Drip

[rocky charm]

We actually do get a close-up on Tooru's shoe lol

[minor ore]

Fye clothes

[rocky charm]

But it's a different shoe

[runic adder]

Shoe retcon smh

ArAkI FoRgOt!

[white pasture]

part 8 > part 5

in terms of drip..

Sheesh

[winter spade]

Tooru singlehandedly drags the part down a letter grade in terms of drip

[white pasture]

ok but josuke

and norisuke

[rocky charm]

Wu's shoes kind of look like the shoes in the ambulance?

But maybe not.

[white pasture]

yea those are wu's shoes for sure

[minor ore]

Part 8 designs r best

[runic adder]

bruh tooru has fantastic drip

[minor ore]

Kira n Josuke got the best drip

[runic adder]

have you SEEN this drip

look at those teddy bears

[winter spade]

Infinitely worse edition

[runic adder]

look at them pants(idk what the plant is on his pants)

[runic adder]

if they toned down the yellow, its not that bad

yall overreacting so much

[minor ore]

^

Just the pants r too much

[runic adder]

you act like purple and yellow is the worst combination to ever exist

it could be better but it doesnt detract from the value of his character lol

[indigo wind]

I haven’t read Jojolion since last year

Stopped reading in the middle of ||Dolomite’s Blue Lagoon|| sadly

I should pick it back up tbh

[runic adder]

bruh it gets so much better from lagoon onward

it goes very fast, trust me

the last like, 20 chapters are all super fast

[indigo wind]

Is there a good summary of the prior 60 or so chapters that I missed lol

I definitely remember the general plot but sadly the minute details aren’t there

Haven’t read since early April lolol

Last year

[runic adder]

you havent missed 60 chapters i dont think

maybe just reread the whole part

or skim through the earlier chapters

but there are summaries, on the wiki

!w story arcs

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Category:Story_arcs
Not the correct result? Use !w page story arcs for a direct link or !w search story arcs for a list of all hits.

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

List of Story Arcs

This page lists each story arc contained in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Content of this category:

173 pages
8 categories

[indigo wind]

Perhaps I will reread

However mangadex is still down unfortunately

[runic adder]

use mangasee

[frozen charm]

Jojolion is real

Use sugondeese

[indigo wind]

I see

[rugged turret]

Wtf lol

[indigo wind]

Yeah I remember the story arc about Joshu getting mad rich or whatev

Didn’t really bear much weight to the story tho lol

[frozen charm]

Sugondeese?

It's a manga site

[rugged turret]

I agree

I thot u we’re gonna

Say sugondeese nuts lol

[frozen charm]

Sugondeese nuts

[rugged turret]

[runic adder]

Milagro man

It’s a good arc, but yea doesn’t do much

[indigo wind]

They should just rename it to “Joshu rides the $GME short squeeze” at this point tbh

[minor ore]

I definitely gotta reread the early chapters lol

[junior coral]

huh

[primal lintel]

AU pesci

[minor ore]

hi peeps

[teal brook]

hello 🗿

[junior coral]

Araki-sensei...

[minor ore]

hmm?

[teal brook]

I'm not truly caught up on part 8

I'm on chapter 88 I believe

[junior coral]

cool

[junior coral]

be careful being in this channel then

dude says he isn't caught up and you post a blatant spoiler for a future part

[minor ore]

Akefu's nose is tilted slightly

[junior coral]

nice one

[minor ore]

this isnt too spoilery

its just a news anchor man

[teal brook]

ok

[minor ore]

and Wonder Of U man

[teal brook]

I think I've seen that fellow

they were chasing him

[minor ore]

y e s

and calamity happen

[teal brook]

alright I'm outta here, scared Imma get spoiled

[minor ore]

sadly mangadex shat itself

so where we getting our chapters

[teal brook]

I u s e m a n g a m u t i n y

[minor ore]

brb

[junior coral]

MangaDex should hopefully be back before JJL 106

[minor ore]

Manganelo

[rocky charm]

Magnamalo?

[minor ore]

Magmamango

[minor ore]

@runic adder literally getting your brains splattered across a fucking wall

by soft and wet

although hes a rock human that made me cringe

and Jobin becoming a human fountain

[runic adder]

which rock human got that?

[minor ore]

DAMO!??

[runic adder]

true but that happens with every character lol

[runic adder]

oh yea

[minor ore]

no but like

jobin had a tube

and he wasnt just leaking blood cause of a fight

he was genuinely leaking blood out of his body as if someone was juicing him

[runic adder]

lmao

true

[minor ore]

a door is about to hit someone as well

thats not gonna be light damage

[runic adder]

damo totally deserved it tho

[minor ore]

yes

[runic adder]

i dont think the plane door will look that bad, even if it does hit

like, we wont get an incredibly gruesome shot

yea, this was pretty bad lmao

not as up close as planet waves but still crazy

josuke really takes after his ancestors huh

[rocky charm]

Remember when Planet Waves was called Earth Wind and Fire

[runic adder]

lmao really?

thats crazy

[rocky charm]

Remember when Born This Way was called Going Underground

[runic adder]

neither lol

[kind owl]

@runic adder, Your Hamon Rank is now level 41 !

[hard meteor]

i remember the going underground one

[runic adder]

i spend too much time here

[near cedar]

There aren't people who think he didn't

are there?

[runic adder]

i dont think so

i dont think damo has any redeeming qualities

hes one of my fav jjl villains but he did nothing morally grey lol

[lost slate]

There's no way anyone can defend Damo

[runic adder]

only villain in jjl to defend is just jobin

[lost slate]

Then again, that makes him a really good villain

[runic adder]

yessss

[near cedar]

I mean people defend Diavolo, Dio (on occasion), Kira, Pucci, Valentine

[runic adder]

im just a jobin simp but he is just best villain

[runic adder]

HOW

valentine is the only one i can see people defending

[near cedar]

Because JoJo fans don't

[runic adder]

because they misunderstand his conflicting ideals

[near cedar]

Understand

[runic adder]

but like...dio???

[near cedar]

What a villain is

[runic adder]

diavolo???

[ember light]

Kira is ok because he just likes his hands smh

[lost slate]

"He just wants to live a quiet life"

[runic adder]

only kira you can defend is part8 kira lol

and even then its sketchy

with the ojiro situation

[hard meteor]

damos a hella solid antagonist and his stands really cool, but no ones defending his actions,(which is good)

[runic adder]

one of my favorites so far

he was so intimidating

[ember light]

yeah hes great

[runic adder]

but started out as this fat shy nerd lmao

the scene where he interrogates norisuke is great

[near cedar]

To quote the idiot "Diavolo did nothing wrong, it's not his fault kids are addicted to drugs, he just supplies" this idiot pretending Diavolo supplying makes it not his fault lol

[rugged turret]

A fat shy chad

[runic adder]

LMAO

DO THEY FORGET HE TRIED TO KILL HIS DAUGHTER

[near cedar]

YES

[ember light]

it wasnt his fault

humans dont have free will

so its ok

[runic adder]

it wasnt his fault he just forgot to pull out

[near cedar]

CLEARLY!

[rugged turret]

What if she trapped him

I don’t think he’s the type to forget to pull out

[runic adder]

yes indeed

[near cedar]

Well Trish exists so

[runic adder]

wasnt cool how he manipulated hato tho, she doesnt deserve that

[rugged turret]

Yeah but she could’ve you know

[runic adder]

at least he pulled out more than some other villains(cough cough dio)

[rugged turret]

Prevented hat

[runic adder]

but...he didnt

[near cedar]

DIO not pulling out never fucked him over

[rugged turret]

Lol I wonder what his partners looked like

[near cedar]

So he did better then Diavolo

[runic adder]

true, if anything it did exactly what he wanted

fuck the joestars over

[near cedar]

Except Giorno he just did his own thing

[runic adder]

dio wouldve hated giorno

[near cedar]

Damn right

[runic adder]

although i do like seeing wholesome comics of them as father and son

[rugged turret]

Imagine alternative timeline

[runic adder]

jojo aus are always very wholesome

[near cedar]

Except the ones that aren't

[runic adder]

except for sbrverse lmao

[rugged turret]

Giorno and Brno kill trish to get boss to come after them

And he promotes them

[runic adder]

diavolo might still kill them, just for knowing trish

[near cedar]

Nah

Remember he was gonna let Bucciarati live

If he didn't come out from behind the pillar

[rugged turret]

That’s true

[runic adder]

oh yea true

[rugged turret]

If she was dead I don’t think he’s have cared either way

[runic adder]

forgot that

[near cedar]

If he was gonna kill em for just knowing her, he could kill both Bruno and Triah in the elevator

Just time skip in

Wait for it to end

Donut both at once

[runic adder]

step 1) cover yourself in time skip

2. wait for it to end

[near cedar]

He'd want proof

[runic adder]

3. donut the traitors

problem giorno?

[near cedar]

Because he wanted to kill her himself to make sure

[snow heron]

I've been waiting so long

For new JoJolion chapter

[runic adder]

cope harder

[snow heron]

Only two weeks left

[hard meteor]

soon bros

[snow heron]

The based JoJolion enjoyers will rise

[runic adder]

jojolion chads keep on winning

[near cedar]

And it'll turn cringe immediately after

[runic adder]

once jojolion hits mainstream im 🚶‍♂️

[rugged turret]

I meant like as long as he knew she was gone he wouldn’t care how it got done

[snow heron]

JoJolion enjoyers are never cringe

[rugged turret]

[runic adder]

except when it comes to tooru

[snow heron]

Fuck Tooru

[runic adder]

lol

[snow heron]

Not literally

[runic adder]

your pfp is yasuho
its pretty clear you mean literally

[snow heron]

I don't wanna fuck Tooru

Gappy maybe

[runic adder]

4 balls tho?

[snow heron]

Yeah

[split tide]

Why does Diavolo donut people instead of just karate chopping their head off?

[runic adder]

because a torso is a much larger body mass

easier to hit it

[near cedar]

True

[runic adder]

consistently

why you asking this in part 8 chat lmao

[near cedar]

But if he just went for the head against Bruno

Part 5 fin

Ish

[runic adder]

part 5 could have ended at a lot of times if diavolo was smarter

[split tide]

You guys were talking about Diavolo donuting people in part 8 chat..

[runic adder]

yea but that naturally happened

[near cedar]

To be totally fair to Diavolo in that situation

He couldn't know

That Bruno would be zombified by Gio

[runic adder]

true lol

how would someone even predict that

[near cedar]

I would say Epitaph, but that was much farther away in the future when he originally attacked

So he still couldn't see it

[split tide]

SEECIT

Sometimes you just gotta seecit.

[runic adder]

seecit and cope

[near cedar]

Typing fast go brr

[runic adder]

💪 fast typing is a godly skill

[near cedar]

Not when you can't not fuck up consistently

[runic adder]

lmao true

i can get like 100 wpm on a good day but im at like 2 wpm when i make a single mistake

[junior coral]

Part 8 best part

[teal brook]

I'm kind of stuck, I can't push forward

Do you feel me?

Like I really wanna read it, but I just don't

[junior coral]

Why

What chapter are you on

[teal brook]

I'm on 88 rn

[junior coral]

Which arc is that

[teal brook]

return of oujirou

[junior coral]

Ohhh

[teal brook]

or oujirou returns

[junior coral]

Bruh you on The Wonder of You arc rn

That's the one we're still on

You gotta keep reading

[teal brook]

All right, it's been decided

Imma read now

[junior coral]

Seriously the Ojiro thing takes like 5 seconds but after that it's straight ballin

[teal brook]

I hope so, I've been rereading this because I read it, then take a break.

It's time to move forward 🗿

[junior coral]

The Wonder of You arc is the longest arc in all of JoJo

and one of my favorites ever

[teal brook]

oh wow

interesting

all right Imma get started

[junior coral]

nice

[winter spade]

Ojiro is neither a man of the ocean or a man of the land, he is a man of the trash

[teal brook]

😲

[zenith blaze]

Horny man

[rocky charm]

It seems even longer than it is because it's just the same chapter title over and over again.

[raw sail]

what the

[junior coral]

The Ultra Jump chapter names were better

But I am glad it's all jumbled into one arc

[rocky charm]

If you start counting from D4C Part 1 all the way to Break My Heart Break Your Heart Part 2, then the Big Bad Valentine fight is 24 chapters

[winter spade]

I do think how vast the wonder of u arc is in scope, it needs every chapter title to just directly tell us we’re still dealing with this bastard

[junior coral]

TWoY arc is basically TG University Hospital arc, Head Doctor arc, Ojiro Returns, Dangerous Pursuit, and Endless Calamity arcs

correct me if I'm wrong

[rocky charm]

But an argument could be made that that mega-arc extends all the way back to Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, making the arc 28 chapters

[rocky charm]

yeah

[teal brook]

Alright everyone, I have officially passed chapter 88 🗿

[junior coral]

nice

[rocky charm]

[rugged turret]

Congratulations

[teal brook]

thank you :))))

wait, why is the car in a tree?

h u h ?

[junior coral]

They hidin

[teal brook]

wait, but how did they?

You know what?

[junior coral]

Dunno

Stando powah

[teal brook]

🗿

[teal brook]

lmao

[rocky charm]

Do you not park your car in a tree?

[minor ore]

I love how it’s Jobin’s lambo that Josuke won

[teal brook]

oh yeah lmao

[teal brook]

it was never a natural occurrence to me 🗿

[rocky charm]

Think about all those people parked on the street and how much space they're wasting

Now think about how all of that space would be freed up if everyone just parked in trees instead

[teal brook]

Simple minded twats

[winter spade]

Are you a car of the land or a car of the tree

[obsidian jacinth]

@minor ore #memes-and-images

[minor ore]

When the jojolion anime eventually comes out imagine all the censorship

[heavy ledge]

why would they censor a series for adults tho

[rocky charm]

idk

Why did they censor Phantom Blood?

And Battle Tendency?

And Stardust Crusaders?

And Diamond is Unbreakable?

And Golden Wind?

The answer is that they can't air certain things on television, which is why it's uncensored on the Blu Ray release.

[minor ore]

Why is JoJolion so long

Was Araki finally tired of making short parts and just started making a long story of a dude?

[winter spade]

I don’t think it’s much longer than many of his other parts

Steel ball run had 95 with the longer jojolion style chapters

I think part of it is that the mystery set up means araki is spending as much or as little time as he wants with fights or backstory

He can spend 3 chapters on a bug wrestling match why not

[minor ore]

Did Jobin really die?

Yes

damn...

[minor ore]

Viz media out here trolling

I told you if you didn’t stfu I’d turn you into a Capri sun comercial

Bruh

[heavy ledge]

but as far as i know jojolion is seinen and those are shonen

[rocky charm]

The Jojo anime airs at 1 am

It's for adults.

[heavy ledge]

uh?

[minor ore]

Huh, I didn’t know that

But like don’t episodes come out on fridays? Some kids are up by 1 on Friday nights

[rocky charm]

1 am on Saturday although technically it's scheduled as 25 o clock on Friday

[teal brook]

I need help as well

Heh jojo

🗿

Jojoing lmao

Jojo dies Sunday

[minor ore]

it will be grand

Gappys public execution is tomorrow

Frick it

[pulsar yoke]

jojolion

[minor ore]

All of jojolion is being publicly executed

[pulsar yoke]

Part 9 announcement at the event 😳

[edgy swift]

Part 8 isn't over yet tho right?

[minor ore]

It’s ending next month

[rocky charm]

Probably not.

They'd have to wrap up a lot of stuff in one chapter.

[minor ore]

i just find it funny Wonder of U, which we thought was super confusing ability, but is so basic, is the strongest stand in all of Jojo

pursue him and die

[winter spade]

It’s not exactly that activation thats confusing, it’s everything else about the stand

[minor ore]

Actually rereading the head doctor arc, the stands abilities are elaborated well

It’s just that he can do so fucking much

[winter spade]

No wonder araki had to hit us with Is this guy really 89 years old? like 17 times

Shit he’s doing the same thing with the In those bubbles there is something you cannot see line rn

[rocky charm]

89 years old?

I know I sound like a broken record, but is he really 89 years old?

lmao

[obsidian jacinth]

the story is more interesting than the other parts to me people complain that there's no main villain but its not just about a villain when you watch one piece for the journey not because of the actual "one piece"

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Ic

Im not all caught up

Completed ch67

[obsidian jacinth]

josuke's stand has a lot of potential and has a lot of ways that it can be used

oh damn nice

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