jojolion

[runic adder]

yea the theory makes no sense

[junior coral]

Tsurugi is Tooru theory

Nah

Unless

WAIT

hmmm

Wait a fucking minute

Hold on

[runic adder]

lol what evidence could there even be

lmao

you're just baiting me

[junior coral]

Why the hell does the Head Doctor ever show up at Tsurugi's school

Now I'm not saying anything... but what I'm saying is...

Think about it....

[runic adder]

and the higashikata household

[junior coral]

He shows up at the house because he's following Mitsuba

[runic adder]

...to follow the higashikatas to the household to get the locacaca

[junior coral]

Yeah

But he never follows Tsurugi

[runic adder]

so i dont think it has anything to do with tsurugi

[junior coral]

As far as we know Tsurugi never had any intent to pursue

Then why was he at the school

And what made that little girl get crushed by the iron gate

When Tsurugi got near her

Remember that

[runic adder]

you're telling me, the rock humans spend all this time looking for the rock plant, tsurugi has known it was at the higashikata estate for a long time

[junior coral]

There's a lot of sussy shit going on

[runic adder]

but she never looked for it?

[junior coral]

First of all

[runic adder]

wait WOU did that?

[junior coral]

He is a boy

Second of all

Yes

[runic adder]

yea sorry i get their pronouns confused sometimes lmao

[junior coral]

Third of all

I don't think that he is Tooru HOWEVER there's a little bit of a connection

I do not understand why

[runic adder]

tsurugi said they blacked out a bit

because of the disease happening

so how could he have consciously pursued tooru?

tsurugi doesnt even know who the head doctor is

and why would that cause a gate to close on some random person

i dont think jobin is right, he claims tsurugi is above that kind of revenge

[junior coral]

Then who crushed the girl with the gate

Also

[runic adder]

thats true, tooru and kaato also have the funny hair hmmm

[junior coral]

WoU is literally seen on security cameras there

at the school

[runic adder]

yes

but how can you pursue the doctor if you dont know its the doctor

[junior coral]

i dunno

[runic adder]

tsurugi has no idea who the doctor is

[junior coral]

that's what I'm wondering

[runic adder]

if that always happened whenever someone approached the doctor without knowing who it was

there would be so many deaths

so as for now, the gate is unexplained

but who knows, it could have been paper moon king

mitsuba even states that its called a "major injury" when the child had barely any scrapes

man its so fun theorycrafting on jojo lmao

[runic adder]

i think its a possible theory, very slim chance BUT there is connection

[junior coral]

Araki needs to do a fucking Q&A when this shits all over

[runic adder]

but we would have to know tsurugis motive, how yknow, they time travelled, what that means for the higashikata family, etc

would be way too much

[hard meteor]

I’m pretty sure the gate thing was 100% wou,there was a panel that depicts a bunch of the recent calamities and the girl with the gate showed up, I think wou was just trying to cause mayhem to the higashikatas so he could get to the fruit faster

[junior coral]

yes

Also we see him standing outside the exact gate in the security tapes

God I can't wait to reread this part

[runic adder]

wait i wanna see that panel

i dont remember seeing that

[hard meteor]

I’ll pull it up give me a sec

[runic adder]

WOU can actively cause calamities?

[junior coral]

I don't think so

[runic adder]

without pursuing

[junior coral]

Pretty sure it's an automatic ability

[runic adder]

hmmm

yea WOU is automatic

im assuming mitsuba sees it so much because she is being followed

[hard meteor]

Here we go

[runic adder]

and the one time she tries to go after it a bunch of kitchen shit happens

[runic adder]

i cant even tell whats going on there

what chapter was that?

[hard meteor]

94 or 95

[runic adder]

weird that it would specifically cut to the gate

and ojiro...for some reason

[hard meteor]

Also wu

Wait

[junior coral]

He's connected to it all

[runic adder]

oh yea didnt notice him there

[hard meteor]

Actually that could make sense

Tooru did tell rai and josuke where yasuho was

That could’ve been intentional

[runic adder]

will wu actually ever be relevant again? not in like, a damo sense but in an actual flashback

[runic adder]

i dont follow

oh you mean, the stand isnt entirely automatic?

[hard meteor]

Similar to how he just disposed of poor Tom with a calamity he did the same with Wu but more subtly

[runic adder]

oh i see

wait i thought poor tom was killed by wu

[hard meteor]

It was vague for awhile but 104 confirms it was tooru

[runic adder]

ok ok

damnit ive been waiting barely a week and i desperately need 106

[hard meteor]

I feel you man

[runic adder]

im not even feeling effects of hiatus and i want the chapter

[hard meteor]

Even by hiatus standards it feels like the month won’t end

The Last one didn’t feel nearly as long

[runic adder]

april 19 comes and araki just decides to do a few redraws of a chapter

[junior coral]

March ain't over yet bruh!??????!?!

How

[primal dagger]

Plane door splatters Locacaca fruit

[runic adder]

except for dr polo

[left ferry]

The end

[runic adder]

damnit the more i think about it the more i hate that tsurugi/tooru theory is possible

i think it was definitely more possible when satoru was theorized to be an older tooru

[junior coral]

I remember saying AGES ago that Tooru and Akefu were the same person

I compared them att to Doppio & Diavolo and I was almost half right about that

So boom

[runic adder]

haha

you also said you predicted chapter 99 would have a johnny mention right?

you're just taking shot after shot

[junior coral]

yes

yeah man

[runic adder]

the only prediction i have for 106 is that the last panel jobin will wake up

[olive bobcat]

the only prediction i have for 106 is that the last panel will be iwasuke stand reveal

[patent merlin]

except when he says the requiem arrow doesn't exist

[olive bobcat]

based username

[patent merlin]

: )

[junior coral]

the only prediction i have for 106 is that in the last panel Pucci will come back

[runic adder]

at the last panel requiem arrow returns

[junior coral]

No such thing as a Requeim Arrow

[olive bobcat]

it will become real just to make greenie wrong

[left ferry]

I predict Joshu requiem

[runic adder]

mystery man appears at the last panel, holding the baby in one hand, the requiem arrow in another. he walks over to jobin and says "wake up"

then we get hiatus for 10 months

[sudden nymph]

That prediction is based tbh

[junior coral]

The final page of JoJolion will be an author's note from Araki that says "the Requiem Arrow doesn't exist"

[runic adder]

tooru is hiding a requiem arrow in his hair

[left ferry]

Tooru's hair was actually a nest

[olive bobcat]

for a requiem bird

[junior coral]

No such thing as a requiem bird

[olive bobcat]

not yet...

[left ferry]

Nah it exists

Trust me bro

[junior coral]

And I live by that

[runic adder]

requiem birds are real and canon. you are just unbased and cringe

[junior coral]

NO they are NOT

[left ferry]

Zyro spitting absolute knowledge.

[runic adder]

as always, eternally based

[left ferry]

Requiem bird deniers are cringe.

[summer nova]

greengiorno's headcanon necessitates the non-existence of the black sabbath arc

[junior coral]

What?

[summer nova]

[junior coral]

There's no such thing as the Black Sabbath arc

[runic adder]

pls dont delve into a requiem arrow argument in this jjl chat

[junior coral]

You made that up

[hard meteor]

requiem birds best concept in jojo

[runic adder]

for sure

[summer nova]

the requiem bird is one of the greatest things araki came up with

[olive bobcat]

black sabbath?
a 70s metal band from britain
nothing more

[junior coral]

exactly

[runic adder]

ok so guys here me out here:
tooru is a fusion of tsurugi and joshu

[olive bobcat]

real

[runic adder]

i will not elaborate

[olive bobcat]

tooru has 4 balls

[summer nova]

tooru is a time-reversed entity

[left ferry]

The battle between 8 balls

[junior coral]

yoooo

8 ball

[runic adder]

how did you make that so quickly

[junior coral]

lawl

it's real easy

[runic adder]

ik how to but table made that in seconds

[patent merlin]

white background so the made with mematic isn't shown

[olive bobcat]

find img, go to meme maker, type in 2 words, snipping tool, post

[patent merlin]

: )

jk

[olive bobcat]

imgflip.com supremacy

[runic adder]

hey so speaking of higashikata family

how is tsurugi, a ten year old nae nae baby, able to drag norisuke, a grown man, body around?

then again it might just be a jojo moment

[junior coral]

JoJo moment

[runic adder]

yes

[hard meteor]

jojo moment

[runic adder]

like, characters performing extraordinary feats like breathing underwater

or surviving insane amounts of blood loss

jojo moment

[junior coral]

It is because he is actually Tooru so he has the strength of a so-and-so year old Rock Human

[runic adder]

epic!

[sudden nymph]

Except his opinion on Joshu

[runic adder]

wait what does gg think of joshu?

if its the wrong answer im never talking to them again

[sudden nymph]

He doesn’t
Iike him

[runic adder]

cringe

wtf

GG i thought you were based

(except for arrow but thats a different topic)

[sudden nymph]

I mean maybe his opinion changed

[junior coral]

Joshu is stupid 🙌

[sudden nymph]

Ok you crossed the line

That’s not based

[junior coral]

no it's totally based

[hard meteor]

unbased

wrongpilled

[left ferry]

Absolute cringe

[runic adder]

as in, you think his character is stupid or that he himself is stupid?

[junior coral]

he himself is stupid

[runic adder]

cuz joshu is just a stupid, whiny character all around

but i love him

[junior coral]

I think defending his actions is a bad meme

[runic adder]

yea...

i mean he literally tries to rape yasuho in the first few chapters

[junior coral]

"he didn't ACTUALLY attempt to rape Yasuho" type beat

exactly lol

[runic adder]

hes a whiny little shit but he is very funny as well

i think he just adds a lot to whatever scene hes in

without him just having hato and daiya would be boring

[primal dagger]

Joshu seems to be getting the Speedwagon treatment nowadays where he's ironically the best character or whatever. Not saying everyone that likes him has that mindset though.

[junior coral]

I don't like him in this current arc

[junior coral]

yeah I agree with that

[runic adder]

yea i get it

[junior coral]

It's like people who say "speedwagon best waifu" even though Speedwagon doesn't do shit

[runic adder]

god i hate part 1-5 "memes"

its the same "ironic" shit over and over for years

[junior coral]

yeah

[runic adder]

speedwagon is unironically one of my least favorite characters

[junior coral]

part 6 is gonna succumb to the normalcy eventually

[runic adder]

he has no redeeming values

[runic adder]

makes me sad

at least we jojolion fans will never get an adaptation!

[olive bobcat]

hahah snail!

[runic adder]

dont even-

[olive bobcat]

horny jolyne horny jolyne

[runic adder]

jolyne masturbation is a meme among anime onlies already

who dont even know there isnt one

which spawned more unfunny memes about anime onlies not knowing the scene doesnt exist

the cycle never ends

[olive bobcat]

so sucks i cant wait for sbr anime

[junior coral]

The first episode is boutta be memed on to shit

[olive bobcat]

hope they skip it

[hardy trench]

sameeee

[runic adder]

and even memes about so getting skipped for sbr is awful as well

[left ferry]

I wanna see the dissapointed anime onlines finding out there wasn't a scene during her masturbation.

[runic adder]

in conclusion, there are no funny jojo memes except for part 8

[olive bobcat]

ik that they wont do it, but even the thought of it irritates me
for the 5th time today, SBR mid

[runic adder]

idk why the meme even happened. its not something remotely close to possible

[hard meteor]

Same lol I’m looking forward to people finding out how dumb these made up scenes are

[olive bobcat]

yeah, why would they skip the best finished part to go to a middle of the pack one XD

[junior coral]

they should skip to Part 8

best part

[runic adder]

yes

[olive bobcat]

then we'd get a filler arc (shudders)

[runic adder]

nah each chapter of jojolion would be an entire episode

[olive bobcat]

based af

[junior coral]

yeah

106 episodes of JoJolion

[runic adder]

would each arc in jjl be about 2 episodes?

[junior coral]

I dunno

[runic adder]

fr tho

[junior coral]

106 episodes based

I have a fear

[runic adder]

for sdc they stretched out a ton of fights to fit two episodes for almost every arc

[olive bobcat]

ik for sdc they made 4-chapter arcs into 1 ep and 6-chapter arcs into two

[junior coral]

I believe that SBR and JJL (if they're ever adapted) they won't be animated in one season

[runic adder]

i imagine they would do something similar for jojolion, but jojolion is a lot more seamless

[runic adder]

oh definitely not

[olive bobcat]

but longer chapters probably means 2 chaps per ep

[junior coral]

We might get like Steel Ball Run Season 1 and Season 2 and whatnot

[olive bobcat]

roughly

[junior coral]

man

[runic adder]

i predict like, 3 seasons just for sbr

[junior coral]

man

long ass show

[olive bobcat]

i predict season 1 up to the casino fight and rest is s2

[minor ore]

I have my doubts ab how good SBR and JJL will look animated compared to manga but we’ll see ig

[runic adder]

part 7 and 8 make up so much of jojo its crazy

[minor ore]

fr

[runic adder]

depends on how good the horses are for sbr lol

[minor ore]

Honestly yeah

[runic adder]

nah, jojo anime never matches up to the manga

anime does a good job tho

recreating that..jojo feel

[left ferry]

The fear of cgi horses

[minor ore]

True, just matched up less n less as the art style gets better

[runic adder]

well i mean, TSRK looks pretty damn similar to what jojolion will probably look like animated

[minor ore]

Fair nuff

Still scared ab SBR horses tho lol

[junior coral]

Roblox horses

[left ferry]

NOOOOOOOO

[runic adder]

it'll probably be fine

i have faith in dp

even if it takes them a while

i think for background horses, for sure cgi

but for main cast? full 2d for sure

[lethal jasper]

gyro gonna pull up to valentine like this

[junior coral]

AYOO

[runic adder]

gyro with da drip horse

[left ferry]

Honestly that would be pretty lit

[runic adder]

by removing unnecessary polygons the horse is able to recreate the golden spin easier

[olive bobcat]

the polygonal horse

[minor ore]

Fair

[left ferry]

Imagine it takes 3 years to wait for sbr anime

[runic adder]

it probably will

but that also depends on when so finished

most sbr predictions amount to having so be announced this event

and then being broadcast in summer

[junior coral]

SBR anime wait boutta be twice as long as the wait for Stone Ocean

Unless they decide to split the season up

Steel Ball Run Part 2

[olive bobcat]

battle for america

[left ferry]

I feel like the tiny horses would never exist in the anime,

Or they do and keep making an appearance throughout the part.

[runic adder]

tiny horses?

[left ferry]

Y'know the tiny horses during the start of sbr.

[runic adder]

elaborate...

[lethal jasper]

the tiny horse dance

[minor ore]

I don’t remember

[runic adder]

am i going crazy

[left ferry]

Let me get the panels.

[runic adder]

i dont remember any tiny horses

tf you on about

you mean horses in the background?

[ember light]

its because they showed up then disappeared without explanation

[runic adder]

what>

tf was that

[ember light]

we dont know

[runic adder]

what was that of importance to

just tiny horses for no damn reason?

[dim crow]

Nothing, really

[lethal jasper]

The mini horse march

[left ferry]

Yes that

[lethal jasper]

the most important part of sbr

[runic adder]

oh its probably just for effect

[minor ore]

Out of all the things

[runic adder]

not actually tiny horses around him lmao

[runic adder]

yes

[hardy trench]

idk man... they look like real tiny horses to me

they look quite tiny

[left ferry]

I agree with the person above me, they do look tiny.

[olive bobcat]

steel has AU green green grass of home confirmed

[left ferry]

Steven Steel is green baby confirmed

[junior coral]

yo

[minor ore]

👋

[barren bough]

hola

[minor ore]

chad JJL fan

[junior coral]

FO WEAL

[minor ore]

🙏🏼

[runic adder]

https://perchance.org/jojoliontheory

has anyone already shared this before? its pretty great lol

im sure someone has, im new to the server relatively

also, why do a lot of people immediately assume kaatos stand means she is a descendant of valentine?

i mean, its similar, for sure, but it could literally also be just enigma

[hard meteor]

thought that was just a meme

i doubt shes actually related to him

[runic adder]

no some people actually think it

its entirely possible, i just dont want sbrverse to take the dio route

we were on such a good roll with jojolion having no mention of dio whatsoever

putting a descendant of valentine as the final villain(for no reason really) feels like a dio heir move and all

[near cedar]

I

Also thought that was a meme

[runic adder]

no ive fr seen theories on it

and comments about it

[near cedar]

Bruh

Pls no

[runic adder]

maybe it started as a meme, but like all satires, there are gullible people

it makes more sense to me that the theme of villains in the sbrverse is misfortune, as opposed to time(or space, with FV)
i mean, the corpse is a huge part of sbr, and that is entirely based on miracles(just luck)

which fits into tooru as the main antagonist

so far tooru is kinda lackluster as a main villain tho

kino af

best jobin moment by far

[elfin tangle]

The monthly format really made people forget about Tooru's great moments huh?

[runic adder]

no he has great moments

i just dont find him as interesting as other villains

i really like the sort of diavolo/doppio vibe that is happening

and tooru has an interesting relationship with yasuho

but we just barely get any appearances of tooru in general, hes known better for his stand

[elfin tangle]

Tooru has no Diavolo/Doppio vibe

Wonder of U is literally just Tooru, I'm sure

Same exact personality and actions

[runic adder]

yes

but like....shadow diavolo, doppio

[near cedar]

What if it turns out it isn't, not saying it ain't but in the unlikely event what then

[runic adder]

the resemblance is there

[near cedar]

I don't see it

[elfin tangle]

Then that's whatever, but Tooru and Wonder of U are far more likely to be the same

[runic adder]

its pretty obvious araki based WOU and tooru off diavolo/doppio
its not a 1:1 ratio but its true

[elfin tangle]

Tooru acts exactly like Wonder of U has been acting

There is no split personality there

It's just him

[runic adder]

never said anything about split personality
im talking about WOU and tooru buildup

[elfin tangle]

True

[near cedar]

Btw Lisette Cauli tells me my pfp gives off the same vibe as ur pfp. Can you see it? xD

[elfin tangle]

Yeah

[near cedar]

Lmao

[runic adder]

haha its similar

[near cedar]

Epic, the stare squad

[elfin tangle]

[near cedar]

Mmm them abs

[runic adder]

so many abs

[minor ore]

Wonder of U and Tooru are so different but i can understand why Tooru’s relaxed personality contrasts WoU’s professionalism and authoritative way of speaking

[near cedar]

Except if Lisette is correct and she usually is

They are the exact same

Which to be fair Tooru was acting like WoU when he put Joshu in his place

[minor ore]

Yeah they’re the same person

He’s just speaking through his stand

[elfin tangle]

Wonder of U dropping the cold "professional" act and going "ummm, don't know what happens now no one ever gets this close" to Rai shows how similar Tooru and WOU are. Tooru is 100% not a different personality from WOU

[elfin tangle]

[runic adder]

why was it even really a question if WOU was a different personality from tooru?

thats never really been a thing in jojo

they have had autonomous stands before

but they are still usually a reflection of a users soul

[minor ore]

[minor ore]

Alright thanks for the clear up

[willow crystal]

Wonder of U is a virgin 😨

[minor ore]

Canon

Joshu x Wonder of U

[astral widget]

Real

[willow crystal]

Alright I need to get back with Jojolion it’s been too long since I’ve talked about it

[minor ore]

Fake because Wonder of U gets hoes like everyday

[near cedar]

Wrong person sorry

[willow crystal]

I think you mean Joshu not Wonder Of U

[minor ore]

They both do

[near cedar]

Surface, it's nothing like Hazamada

[astral widget]

But wouldnt that mean that the hoes are 'pursuing' him

[runic adder]

true true, completely forgot about that stand

[minor ore]

Isn’t that the stand that manipulates people to do stuff?

[astral widget]

Yes

He is wood

[minor ore]

Stupid

[near cedar]

Yep

[near cedar]

It's pretty good

It's user is just

[minor ore]

No im refenceing the joke

[near cedar]

Oh

Dur

[minor ore]

But yeah Hazamada is definitely the type of person to have surface

[astral widget]

Can he sex the stand

[minor ore]

^^^

A guy like him would love to have control over people

[near cedar]

Yes

And I'd like to kick his teeth in

Cuz he's a cunt

[minor ore]

Yeah

Also he’s a manlet

Not the cool kind like Koichi

[faint basin]

Ever wonder why WoU doesn't go on dating sites?

Him and pursuit don't mix.

Imagine swiping right on the guy and suddenly your phone blows up in your hands

[runic adder]

lol

[minor ore]

All the people who went to his speech at the hospital would’ve died if pursuing him was that deadly

[runic adder]

immediate calamity if you try and go on a date with tooru

[minor ore]

It’s only when you try to find out the doctors identity or when you have ill intent

[runic adder]

yes

its called a joke

[minor ore]

I don’t get jokes

I have an anime pfp

[runic adder]

true true

[minor ore]

But there is one thing I get

Joshu

[runic adder]

who doesnt get joshu

best character in the entirety of fiction

[minor ore]

Controversial yet true

[supple totem]

this is no good

we have no tooru emote

[olive bobcat]

yeah...

and no WoU

[supple totem]

but fear not

here you have tooru whom you can hardly see eating a borgar

[olive bobcat]

borgar tooru

[supple totem]

i should rename it that

wonder of u flush???

[minor ore]

[supple totem]

AAAAAAA

[minor ore]

[junior coral]

how

No nvm

I see what you mean

[olive bobcat]

Eh?

[junior coral]

His motives are also basically the same as Diavolo

Doesn't want anyone to know his true identity

So if you try and follow me ya dead

[olive bobcat]

Ohh I see what you mean too now

[minor ore]

Part 8 is a weird hentai

[junior coral]

uh-huh

[split tide]

Anyone else like Kira better than Josuke?

[runic adder]

josuke is better as a protagonist but kira is awesome

kira and josefumi are close to my favorite characters in jojolion

such a shame they only have a few chapters for their arc, still some of the best chapters in jjl

[split tide]

Who are your favorite?

[runic adder]

jobin

kira is a close second

josefumi/rai would probably be third

idk where exactly josuke stands

he jumps around a lot in my list

[rugged turret]

Same josuke isn’t bad he just doesn’t feel like the best protagonist

I think that’s the case for a lot of “who am I” type of characters

[split tide]

Agreed. I do like Josuke. But he's eclipsed by Kira.

[white pasture]

kira was better for me but since ozone baby josuke >>>>

[heavy ledge]

sad hours

[rugged turret]

Chin up dad

[heavy ledge]

cant

[frozen charm]

Iwasuke > entire jojo lion cast

[junior coral]

you are forgetting the fucking lion

[rugged turret]

I forgot that dumb dog existed

[minor ore]

I love Josuke but <<<<Kira

[modern sable]

Gud boi

[split tide]

no u

[minor ore]

[white pasture]

damo arc or poor tom arc

[near cedar]

Wut

[minor ore]

that speedwagons son reveal was crazy

[pure charm]

Damo

[minor ore]

tbh it was kinda out of no where

[minor ore]

Kira is the best character tbh

[minor ore]

joshu is s tier

[pure charm]

Sss tier even

[near cedar]

Shit person

[kind owl]

@near cedar, Your Hamon Rank is now level 39 !

[pure charm]

[barren bough]

the best stand from Jojolion so far is Speed King

and maybe WoU

[nocturne wave]

Nah it’s killer queen

[rain crypt]

Who is josuke and who is he

[near cedar]

That last one doesn't even make sense

[nocturne wave]

What do you mean by last one

[barren bough]

he is josuke

[near cedar]

He said a dumb joke like who is X and why is he Y in every chat

Or almost every

[barren bough]

yeah it seems he has

peter griffin pfp too

[minor ore]

josuke in jojolion be like:

[plain iris]

Where's my Damo Tamaki love?

[modern sable]

Chapter 106 came out yet?

[barren bough]

nope

it comes out on the 19th

[modern sable]

Ah

[kind owl]

@modern sable, Your Hamon Rank is now level 16 !

[modern sable]

Okay

[runic adder]

im very confused on the timeline for WOU and tooru

can someone explain to me

because WOU said 17 years ago he attacked the pear orchard
but tooru started impersonating satoru 10 years ago, when he met yasuho

the head doctor was the one at rais father's funeral(zeppeli btw) and he was definitely WOU impersonating satoru

why rai "lied" (or just a retcon) about the orchard not being killed by insects is a bit confusing as well

[olive bobcat]

the idea is that an extra ability that WoU has is the old person disguise, which he used at the funeral. he impersonated akefu to fit into the hospital. if you see the image of akefu in the yasuho grooming flashback, they look nothing alike

[near cedar]

Not a Zeppeli

[runic adder]

hes rocking the zeppeli cut

[modern sable]

With Manga Dex down, what can we read JoJolion on?

[near cedar]

Anywhere else

[runic adder]

but he didnt know about akefu until 10 years ago

so how would he be impersonating akefu 17 years ago

[olive bobcat]

he wasnt impersonating akefu at the funeral, he was just in disguise

i think

[runic adder]

so all he did was steal akefus name

ok

[olive bobcat]

yeah

[runic adder]

ok the timeline makes sense then

[runic adder]

its just a theory mostly, it will be interesting if it happens

there are a few supporting traits we could exact from rai

[minor ore]

well they said if it's not back up in 1-2 weeks they're gonna put up a heavily nerfed previous version

[runic adder]

that could point to him being a zeppeli

[minor ore]

about rai

he has now been in two situations where who the hell knows if he's dead

[runic adder]

really? i would prefer they just take as much time as they need for maintenance

[runic adder]

i think rai will die(thats really just a headcanon tho), but i dont think rai is dead now specifically

[minor ore]

so currently they're working on a new version of code called v5

the one we had was v3

[runic adder]

yea

[minor ore]

so if it's not done in time they'll keep working on it but put v3 up so people can still use it

i don't think people will be able to do much on the v3 version though

[runic adder]

ok i see

how would that protect from the attacks they went under tho

[minor ore]

no one would be able to do anything on it

so the hackers couldn't do anything

so they would use that while they were working on v5

and v5 is just a total rewrite of the code which is going to have no exploitable things

[runic adder]

oh i see

[hard meteor]

Most likely a retcon

Timeline has been wonky in jjl for awhile

[minor ore]

it has been too long since this chat has had a joshu image

nut king call over heaven everyone

[runic adder]

true

[hard meteor]

It is pretty weird wou was active long before he met yasuho so I guess in the time he killed rais dad he wasn’t impersonating anybody yet

But that raises more questions

[runic adder]

no he killed rais father

[minor ore]

i think he was impersonating someone just not satoru

[runic adder]

yea, all he stole from satoru was his credentials

and name

[hard meteor]

Yeah my bad typo

[minor ore]

bc he needed satoru to get in the hospital and nothing else

so he might've killed someone who was going to the funeral and impersonated them or smthn

[runic adder]

im just wondering why tooru killed rais father and the orchard

[primal dagger]

Didn't he only find out about Satoru only after Yasuho pointed him out to Tooru?

[olive bobcat]

yeah

[minor ore]

yeah he does

[runic adder]

WOU might only impersonate "satorU'

[hard meteor]

Yeah

[olive bobcat]

years after the funeral

[runic adder]

7 years after the funeral

[olive bobcat]

funeral was just "old man disguise"

not satoru

[runic adder]

so the new doctors took over 10 years ago

to research the rokakaka

so holly has been experimented on for 10 years?

thats crazy

[minor ore]

oh fuck

poor holly

[runic adder]

yea

im still incredibly confused on the kirafumi exchange

[minor ore]

[runic adder]

if the new rokakaka is just old rokakaka, but exchanges parts for someone else instead of them?

[minor ore]

Feel bad asf for holly

[runic adder]

same

shes been through some shit

[minor ore]

same

More than like half the characters

shes just a nice doctor and the rock humans were just like

[hard meteor]

Same I hope she’s able to recover

[minor ore]

I think we all do

imagine tooru gets exchanged for holly's position

that would be the ultimate karma

[runic adder]

unfortunately i dont think the rokakaker is going to be used on holly

unless tsurugi is somehow a paper moon king illusion, its probably gonna be used on him

[runic adder]

yooo that would be crazy good

[hard meteor]

Yeah she most likely won’t get the rokakaka

Although

[runic adder]

holly will definitely get healed tho, i dont see why she wouldnt

[hard meteor]

Rai mentioned the spin could overcome her disease

[runic adder]

how?

[hard meteor]

So maybe that’s how it goes away?

[runic adder]

she has chunks of her brain....missing

[hard meteor]

I honestly have no clue

[minor ore]

wait what

how would that even work

[runic adder]

if johnny used the infinite spin, and it didnt work, why would it work for holly?

[minor ore]

you spin about a bit and chunks of your brain just grow back

[runic adder]

it would just transfer it to another person

[minor ore]

might be what happens

[runic adder]

yea but who

[minor ore]

Magic brain surgery?

[minor ore]

tooru hopefully

[runic adder]

hopefully

but he is already a rock human

[tacit monolith]

Jojolion’s newest chapter was lit

[runic adder]

catching the rock disease cuz it gets transferred through spin isnt gonna do anything

[minor ore]

[runic adder]

cope?

[minor ore]

cope.

[runic adder]

that is the wackiest shit ive ever heard

i still dont understand how the bubbles work

[minor ore]

^

[hard meteor]

No one does

[runic adder]

are they just invisible bubbles? how do they exist outside of this world?

[minor ore]

JJL powers r kinda silly and I love it

[runic adder]

so far every jjl power hasnt really been too complicated, fun fun fun is like, the most saturated in terms of effects

[minor ore]

WoU has my favourite stand design

[hard meteor]

All we know right now is that they bypass calamity and are not from this world

[runic adder]

THAT MAKES NO SENSE

IS VANILLA ICE BACK FROM THE GRAVE??

[sudden nymph]

Josuke is Vanilla ice confirmed

[runic adder]

all im gonna think of it is, josuke accessed his stray cat powers and used those basically

[tacit monolith]

And it’s illogical

[minor ore]

"one of my dust particles survived and kira inhaled them"

[minor ore]

More simple stuff ain’t bad tho, all that rly matters is if it’s done wel

[tacit monolith]

Wait,didn’t wonder of you dodge it?

[hard meteor]

Different bubble

[runic adder]

yea i love jjl stands

[minor ore]

jjl stands are excellent

[tacit monolith]

Oh ye,the bubble from his neck

[minor ore]

speed king is an amazing stand imo

Josuke = Vanilla Ice which means DIO

[tacit monolith]

And crazy

[minor ore]

Sum of the best honestly

[runic adder]

and has an amazing user!

[minor ore]

indeed

[sudden nymph]

Nut king call is my favorite stand ever

[minor ore]

Speed king has been and will always be top tier

what type of villain doesn't challenge the protaganist to a beetle fight

Especially counting user

[runic adder]

cringe villains

[minor ore]

one thing i noticed

[runic adder]

interesting

[minor ore]

are those lines on jobin's face scars from the rock disease?

[sudden nymph]

Here is my stand tier list in case not everyone saw it

[hard meteor]

I think so

[runic adder]

lmao shakedown road SS tier

[hard meteor]

It’s weird how they never went away tho

[olive bobcat]

not shakedown, its a PHF stand

[minor ore]

why are there two KQs

[junior coral]

pretty based

[runic adder]

oh

[minor ore]

is one of those AU KQ?

[sudden nymph]

Part 8 and part 4

[runic adder]

why do you think lol

[minor ore]

ah ok

[tacit monolith]

Kakyoins stand has depth

[minor ore]

Part 4/8 Kira

[hard meteor]

Part 8 kq 💪

[minor ore]

based

Abilities r different enough

SHA spam is unbeatable

[runic adder]

you put boiling water stand in DIE tier where it belongs

[sudden nymph]

This list is purely based on design and how cool their ability is it’s not based on depth or whatever

[minor ore]

Except that one time

[junior coral]

Boiling Water Stand was Emporio's mother's Stand

confirmed by me

[minor ore]

KQ cracking hurts my soul

wait

is that TWOH in die tier

[sudden nymph]

That would be cool if that was true

[junior coral]

yeah it is

[minor ore]

bruh

[sudden nymph]

Yes it’s the worst thing jojo has ever done

[tacit monolith]

Ok then DIO over heaven should be way up,the ability is sick

[minor ore]

tbf yeah

[pure charm]

Based

[junior coral]

based

[sudden nymph]

It’s the worst thing jojo has ever done

[minor ore]

I don’t mind TWOH just for EOH but ye it’s lowkey trash

[pure charm]

Civil war is S for sure

[runic adder]

tatoo you is in the right tier!

[minor ore]

^

tatoo you underrated

Scary Monsters is in the right tier

[tacit monolith]

How?

[runic adder]

wheres table when you need them

[pure charm]

Civil war underrated

[late whale]

true

[olive bobcat]

HELL YEAH

[minor ore]

diver down in A

based

[elfin tangle]

There is nothing sick about The World Over Heaven, just a non canon cheap piggybacking of Pucci's ability with powercreep that makes no sense

[junior coral]

Wait hold on bro you don't like CHARMY GREEN????

[minor ore]

it's offical

[olive bobcat]

TATOO YOU! SUPREMACY

[junior coral]

Biggest L of 2021

[minor ore]

Tatoo you supporters in chat

STONE FREE IS IN A

[minor ore]

officially based tier list
anthophobia approved

[olive bobcat]

move civil war up to S for my bro potato

[minor ore]

Approved by every1 except DIO fanboys who like TWOH for some reason

[pure charm]

Tatoo jew🌚

[sudden nymph]

I have the same problem with it that I do with sabo from one piece it seems too much like a fan creation

[elfin tangle]

TWOH is 🤢

[minor ore]

i remember that

[pure charm]

[elfin tangle]

It is a blatant fan creation, the people who made EOH slapped that ability and stand together

[junior coral]

canon

[minor ore]

It’s basically an OC stand lol

[junior coral]

Original Canon

that's what OC is

[minor ore]

yeye ik

[split tide]

I dig this list. Although S&W isn't in SS for me.

[sudden nymph]

@olive bobcat civil war is now in S

[olive bobcat]

potato will be happy

[split tide]

Why Speed King so high though?

He's an ugly fuck.

[runic adder]

bruh two killer queens but only one soft and wet, kinda cringe imo

[runic adder]

based user

[junior coral]

Speed King is cool as fuck

[split tide]

Ugly*

[sudden nymph]

I like the design it’s cool

[minor ore]

Speed King user is top tier

[runic adder]

speed king is awesome

like, 70% of jojolion stands look ugly but awesome

[minor ore]

And it’s a good stand

[split tide]

I agree, except that Speed King is actually ugly.

[pure charm]

I like I am a rock

[minor ore]

^^^

[junior coral]

I Am a Rock ugliest Stand

[runic adder]

i am a rock is ugly and not awesome at all

[junior coral]

yeah

[runic adder]

its got a cool ability tho

[minor ore]

SSS tier for I am a rock

[split tide]

Speed King < IAAR.

[pure charm]

[sudden nymph]

No one has mentioned the Gucci bag stand is S tier 😆

[olive bobcat]

I am a rock has a cool ability but that design...

[split tide]

Better than Neck Pillow King.

[pure charm]

But civil war not even S

[runic adder]

shuuuutttt

[pure charm]

[runic adder]

upppp

[sudden nymph]

I moved him in S bro

[olive bobcat]

he moved it brother

[pure charm]

Hol up

[olive bobcat]

its bottom of S, he send v2

[split tide]

I'm on Chapter 70, does Jobin do anything cool after this? Because up until this the best thing he's done is Beetle Tendency.

[minor ore]

The chad speed king vs the virgin IAAR

[pure charm]

Good

[olive bobcat]

yeah youll see

[minor ore]

^

Jobin a top 3 character

[sudden nymph]

Along with Joshu

[minor ore]

[sudden nymph]

Top 3 characters

1. Joshu
2. Joshu
3. Jobin

[minor ore]

True

[junior coral]

top 3 characters 1. Joshu
2. Joshu
3. Joshu

[split tide]

Everyone knows Joshu is top tier.

[late whale]

Jobin > Joshu

imo

[sudden nymph]

That’s objectively wrong

[junior coral]

no

it's objectively correct

[minor ore]

If you’ve ever said “Joshu sucks” or “I hate Joshu” then leave

[elfin tangle]

Joshu is hilarious with a criminally underused stand

Even Okuyasu used The Hand more

[pure charm]

Joshu cute

[minor ore]

[split tide]

Nut King Call has the best stand name.

And he's got the coolest design.

[minor ore]

W

[hard meteor]

💯

[sudden nymph]

All the top scientists around the world agree that Joshu is amazing

[pure charm]

Johhnt Dept

[junior coral]

Joshu based

there I said it

[split tide]

Giorno dumb.

[junior coral]

hate me all you want

it's the truth

[sudden nymph]

Wrong

[late whale]

its the truth

[sudden nymph]

Joshu > literally everyone else

[hard meteor]

Greenie is dumb and wrong

[late whale]

...

[pure charm]

Wrong

Not based

[split tide]

Giorno unbased.

[pure charm]

Fuck giorno

[minor ore]

Joshu is literally the GOAT

[junior coral]

u insulting the wrong jojo

[split tide]

Giorno set basedness to null.

[junior coral]

Giorno isn't even my favorite jojo

[elfin tangle]

Imagine still whining about Giorno

[olive bobcat]

theres only eleven S tier characters 💪

[elfin tangle]

Joshu and Nut King Call are so based that Araki couldn't afford to use them much at all without breaking the part in half

[hard meteor]

🐐shu

[junior coral]

You sheeple are conditioned to believe the Joshu is "cringe"

[sudden nymph]

True true

[junior coral]

the government is making you believe false facts

You have to be woke, like me

[split tide]

Pretty sure I came to the conclusion that Joshu is based on my own.

[junior coral]

Joshu lovers rise up

[hard meteor]

No lol

[pure charm]

📠

[elfin tangle]

It's okay Greeny, we understand how tsundere you are over Joshu

[sudden nymph]

Joshu lovers rise up

[hard meteor]

Yes

✊

[split tide]

JOSHU 4 PREZ

[minor ore]

Everyone who “hates” joshu r lying

[pure charm]

[lost slate]

is it possible to love and hate joshu at the same time?

because that's me

[pure charm]

Love hate relationship

[minor ore]

Admit he’s the best character already guys cmon

[junior coral]

I can appreciate him as a written character. I don't think Araki has ever written a character poorly, I just think Joshu is meant to be liked

[lost slate]

^

[junior coral]

I don't find anything about him that I like

He's well written, and he's written to be liked

[elfin tangle]

You can like him as a character while not vibing with him as a person

[minor ore]

^

[lost slate]

my reasons for liking joshu are part ironic and part 'wtf araki why is he such an awful person'

[pure charm]

[elfin tangle]

Joshu being so awful and not getting killed or some forced redemption arc is so good

[minor ore]

[elfin tangle]

It can be both

Joshu is the funniest Jojo meme

[hard meteor]

Based the amount of people that honestly believe joshu needs to die for a redemption is insane

[pure charm]

[lost slate]

i'd love if he got redeemed but it would be better for him to stay awful

[minor ore]

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 17 !

[lost slate]

the awfulness is just a big part of joshu as a character

[junior coral]

I wish love upon him

[elfin tangle]

Joshu is already extremely underutilized and not focused on at all, what would be the point in taking one of the most unique things about him? The fact that he's just a jackass with aspects of humanity

[junior coral]

Joshu death scene will solidify JoJolion as the worst part

[elfin tangle]

Jojolion was already solidified as best part the instant Ojiro came back

[hard meteor]

Good thing it’ll never happen

[minor ore]

Best boy can’t die

[olive bobcat]

assuming araki doesnt tank the ending somehow, jjl def best part

[pure charm]

Jojolion is one of my favs

[minor ore]

Now when Jobin is revealed as not dead

[elfin tangle]

this

[elfin tangle]

*If

[late whale]

never

[minor ore]

JJL is top 3 easily

[sudden nymph]

Can’t wait for Ojiro returns 2

[hard meteor]

Fun fun fun act 2

[pure charm]

Catchy song

[elfin tangle]

Fun Fun Fun Over Heaven

[minor ore]

True

Speed King Over Heaven

[pure charm]

Nut King Call Over Heaven

[minor ore]

Chad

[late whale]

Vitamin C over heaven

[junior coral]

Speed King Crimson

[minor ore]

[elfin tangle]

[runic adder]

literally tries to kill yasuho a second after he tries to be a good person

he will never get a redemption arc

[elfin tangle]

Joshu moment

[hard meteor]

to be fair

that was calamity

[junior coral]

That’s basically fan speculation

It’s very in character for him

[hard meteor]

not really he does a complete 180 after that moment and lunges at tooru

the behavior change is too drastic to be a simple joshu fuck up

[runic adder]

i feel like joshu is the type to start lamenting about his hand and all

the stuff he said about yasuho using his arm for josuke felt legit

i think calamity drove him to try to kill yasuho, his feelings were legit but exaggerated by calamity

[minor ore]

Joshu doesn’t need to be redeemed from anything. He hasn’t done anything terrible, he’s just a angsty teenager who makes poor decisions from time to time

[inland oyster]

he already gets clowned on every time he fucks up lmao

[hard meteor]

yeah this is most likely the case

[minor ore]

The closest thing he’d have for a redemption is him just maturing like a normal college student

And take over the fruit company now that Jobin is dead

[primal dagger]

Joshu will never will be intellectually capable of running a business

[minor ore]

He can do it

Or not

idk I'm not Araki

[hard meteor]

He can

[minor ore]

he'll make it one day

[runic adder]

"nothing terrible"

[minor ore]

Every bad thing he's done led to immediate punishment

[runic adder]

still, bad things

[minor ore]

But nothing like murder or anything

[runic adder]

even if he gets punished the actions still happened

[runic adder]

i would say attempted rape is pretty close to murder

[minor ore]

when

[runic adder]

when?

what

did you read jojolion

[minor ore]

you talking about the paper moon king thing?

[runic adder]

no im talking about when joshu tried to rape yasuho

[tepid nebula]

When

[minor ore]

you mean when he tried to heal her wounds with the equivalent exchange and did it wrong?

[runic adder]

NO

[patent merlin]

did you not read

[runic adder]

DO YOU READ

[patent merlin]

what yasuho said in that chapter

[runic adder]

JOSHU STANS ALWAYS FORGET WHEN JOSHU TRIED TO RAPE YASUHO

[junior coral]

Dude's speed reading

[patent merlin]

or what joshu said in that chapter

[tepid nebula]

When

[hard meteor]

he means the pmk arc thing

[patent merlin]

did you not read that chapter zyro?

[junior coral]

wym when

[minor ore]

guys I think he baited us

[hard meteor]

but zyro thats not exaclty what happened

[junior coral]

it is

[runic adder]

what exactly happened?

[tepid nebula]

When bro

[runic adder]

yasuho definitely does not consent

[junior coral]

LOL

[patent merlin]

he did not rape her tho???

[junior coral]

Joshu haters grasping

He tried to

[patent merlin]

no he did not

when she said josuke

[runic adder]

but..he tried to

[junior coral]

Read the chapter again

[patent merlin]

he was like ???

[tepid nebula]

Oh brother

[junior coral]

lol

[runic adder]

its attempted

[junior coral]

he took off all her clothes

[patent merlin]

that's not rape???

[runic adder]

even without rape his constant sexual harassment of yasuho is concerning

[junior coral]

it was attempted

moron

[patent merlin]

it was not attempted

[runic adder]

attempted rape is still a crime

[runic adder]

wtf

[junior coral]

what do you think was happening in that scene buddy

[runic adder]

explain that scene to me

[patent merlin]

joshu wouldn't have kept going if yasuho said to stop

[runic adder]

i didnt bait you lol

[runic adder]

bruh have you ever met joshu

[patent merlin]

yes

[junior coral]

man

[tepid nebula]

Misunderstanding

[runic adder]

joshu does not care about yasuhos feelings in the slightest

[patent merlin]

joshu is not a rapist

[primal dagger]

It was nonconsensual

[junior coral]

It being a misunderstanding doesn't make it not an attempt of rape lol

he's an idiot

[minor ore]

The Joshu Rape Debate (2021)

[runic adder]

he is in love with yasuho but doesnt actually care for her well being

[junior coral]

Nonconsentual taking off her clothes