well
#jojolion
minor ore
limber yarrow
or what if joseph gets the pucci treatment
near cedar
Lmao
limber yarrow
being able to evolve his stand, hermit purple, to something like made in heaven
because he has dio's blood
near cedar
dio got overconfident that he thought the world can heal his own legs lol
I think every JoJo villain got overconfident before losing
limber yarrow
kira
minor ore
Jotaro does this and DIO is fine after so
near cedar
After drinking Joseph's blood
minor ore
that has to be like, at least some brain injury
inland oyster
Brain injury isn’t the same as your head getting blown up
minor ore
my point is this suggests DIO can heal even his brain
cell to cell reconstruction
otherwise he would have MAJOR issues
near cedar
His brain was cut in half in Phantom Blood
minor ore
so I think DIO could still heal if he wasn't put in the sunlight and he got blood
inland oyster
I’ve learned to not think too hard about vampire biology in fiction
near cedar
Along with his whole spine
limber yarrow
I’ve learned to not think too hard about vampire biology in fiction
@inland oyster i did the same mistake as you did and got me overloaded with information
minor ore
It depends
in Vampire the Masquerade it's detailed and makes sense
but in jojo Araki is like "fuck it, they drink with their fingers why not"
white beacon
They also have ice powers
near cedar
That too
limber yarrow
what is it
inland oyster
Shoot
limber yarrow
i'm no expert but i'll try to answer lol
errant tiger
wait can i spoil in here?
limber yarrow
yeah it's a discussion channel
limber yarrow
ok
minor ore
rock
limber yarrow
that
errant tiger
how did he use tusk act 4 to remove his child's curse and put it on him
nono i get the rock part
limber yarrow
he shoot himself
minor ore
didn't he shoot the corpse
errant tiger
and that removed the curse from the child?
inland oyster
He used equivalent exchange with tusk act 4 I think
limber yarrow
wait nvm
he shoot the child with act 4
to take the curse onto himself
and got shot
minor ore
he definitely used the corpse though some how
errant tiger
i think he said he didnt wanna use the corpse anymore
limber yarrow
yeah he promised to himself
errant tiger
how did act 4 removed the curse from the child and placed it upon johnny
is it the equivalent exchange
minor ore
because the corpse has the power of equivalent exchange
inland oyster
It’s equivalent exchange using tusk act 4
errant tiger
ok i see so he used tusk 4 to shoot the kid and take the curse upon him
minor ore
and his son was on top of the case that had the corpse in it
errant tiger
oh so he was saved
white beacon
Probably calling back to when Valentine wanted to use the power of Love Train, but I guess that title's just more of like, simply a title
inland oyster
Rip
hard meteor
inland oyster
Just noticed her
frozen charm
Where
noble haven
frozen charm
@inland oyster what chapter is that
ebon rampart
limber yarrow
bruh
ebon rampart
Death to all rock humans
white beacon
Bubble go brr- OH SHIT OH FUCK RAI
limber yarrow
rai becomes a cheese man
white beacon
It's okay guys, fugo came back
near cedar
Oh no no no xD
inland oyster
Uh. Possible retcon?
The HD and the stand are at different places at once.
inland oyster
Oh yeah forgot nvm
hard meteor
I think the one on the wall was an illusion,it immediately disappears when josuke turns around
crude orchid
Probably was
frozen charm
Rock human genocide when???
coral cliff
Josuke, about his soap bubbles: "I... I was controlling them..."
And that's the thing; The Head Doctor is like "Oh, you got hit by the soap bubbles"
But we saw what happened, and that's not what happened
Mamezuku was two centimeters away, and he was fine
What the fuck does Wonder of U actually do
This stand is terrifying to me
dusty kindle
white beacon
Rai got close because he wasn't pursuing the WoU, he was pursuing D7, and he got even closer because his focus wasn't on WoU still, it was to Josuke
And the ability only activated once Rai's full attention was on the Stand
The bubbles just pass by him and scrape him up
long flax
SPIN 2 WIN
tired narwhal
The tree lamborghini is necesary to activate the perfect spin of Josuke,just like the horse was needed for Johnny
frozen charm
Yes Rai bends the tree backwards and slingshots the lambo towards wonder of u and the perfect rotation of the lambo let's josuke send bubbles with the infinte spin at wonder of u and tooru without calamities colliding into them
winter ridge
hes pretty cool
winter ridge
i like him a lot. its also fun how he is an ally and also a total asshole
night moon
what if the mystery man from gappy's memory is just ojiro before he cut his hair
winter ridge
like i dont "like him," but hes a good character, and his skills and determination make up for how much of a big jerk he is
we havent had a character like him before. closest i can think of is abbachio, but thats totally different.
kind owlBOT
@winter ridge, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 20 !
alpine gyro
He's not really a jerk though
deep jasper
Damn that chapter was super cool
alpine gyro
I mean, a little bit, but reasonably
frozen charm
He's just a realist
deep jasper
Does this mean Josuke is unconsciously using spin?
alpine gyro
Explains how his bubbles were used for direct combat then
frozen charm
I wonder why mamezuku didn't use the spin before
deep jasper
Can he even use spin?
kind owlBOT
@deep jasper, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 11 !
frozen charm
Yes he can
alpine gyro
Huh. Does this mean Jousuke could technically do some basic healing if he honed his spin skills?
frozen charm
He showed it off to josuke
deep jasper
I thought he was just spinning his line to give a visual representation
alpine gyro
Homie literally said "spin"
deep jasper
I guess it would make sense as to why he’s the only one who noticed that Josuke’s bubbles were weird
frozen charm
Yea right here lol
alpine gyro
I'm betting Josuke is gonna have some weird ass new ability from this
alpine gyro
Question is, is it more broken than Plunder?
deep jasper
Probably
frozen charm
Yes
deep jasper
Tusk Act 4 is in the tier of over powered stands
frozen charm
It's prob gonna do something with plunder
frozen charm
Yes it is
deep jasper
You’re not wrong
deep jasper
GER is agreed by everyone to be the most broken stand in JoJo
alpine gyro
Pretty sure even time stop couldn't beat it
frozen charm
Yeah
frozen charm
The only cannon stand that could beat it is made in heaven
alpine gyro
Tusk act 4 is cool because it's broken but needs really specific circumstances to work
deep jasper
Exactly, and it’s not unbeatable
alpine gyro
Yeah but Johnny has to line it up at the exact moment
deep jasper
So is Josuke’s plunder different from Josefumi’s plunder?
deep jasper
Cause I remember something about Josuke’s bubbles have a slight explosive characteristic to them
But not to the level of Kira
alpine gyro
Nah that was just Kira I think
white beacon
That's kira's bubbles
deep jasper
I thought when Josuke was fighting the twins they said something about Josuke’s bubbles reminding them of Kira
white beacon
Oh wait yeah that's what you said
alpine gyro
Because Kira also had bubbles
deep jasper
Anyways I think unless Araki goes full S&W act 2 or something
I think the spin on Josuke’s bubbles is just another means of attack
alpine gyro
I can't wait until 2035 when we get to hear "De do do da" said completely seriously.
deep jasper
Lol imagine the English localized version
alpine gyro
Nah nah listen. I'm betting you right now. Josuke is gonna do some weird asspull with the new "spinning lines bubbles"
Soft & Wet can plunder the rotational energy from a person?
Whatever the fuck that means, I dunno.
frozen charm
Yes
Ok both kira and josefumis stand used bubbles
So at least one of might've been using the spin
Maybe even both since josefumi had a birthmark
Kira's "lines?" exploded and josefumis "lines?" Absorbed
Hmmmmmm
white beacon
I like to think it's josefumi's bubbles, cuz my understanding is that the lines "scrape up and take in" things when it passes by them as it spins
wanton oyster
are we talking about the new chapter???
kind owlBOT
@wanton oyster, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 1 !
long hound
So are the lines circular? Or a bunch of individual curved lines
white beacon
Based on what we see a few chapters ago, it's like a single piece of string that's spinning rapidly by itself
tepid nebula
dogpark translated it as “line” rather than string but idk if it matters like that
really*
white beacon
That's just semantics at that point, since rai himself is some sort of string
tepid nebula
Figures
crystal axle
Infinite spin bites the dust when
kind chasm
I can't wait until 2035 when we get to hear "De do do da" said completely seriously.
lmao
west zealot
so uhhhh
kind owlBOT
@west zealot, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !
west zealot
did we ever get a better translation
burnt quiver
dogpark's was better imo
much more natural tone
gives the doctor personality
i respect HWMN but his translations always feel so formal
queen fox
minor ore
yo where do you guys even read jojolion
i used be using a app but its now out of service
low walrus
analog skiff
Edit: I thought manga links weren't pinned at all
@low walrus
@simple kraken
okay nvm
i found it, but i still think pins is a bad place to recommend
as there's a good amount of spoiler posts in pins
and the actual manga links are pretty well hidden
just send the actual link
near cedar
There is mostly only spoilers in pins for this part i think
The others just has the manga and a few random things
white beacon
Just use the pins as a quick access for links
So instead of recommending people to check the pins, we can just grab it for them
low walrus
tiny bit late
frozen charm
Bro where's the joycon
minor ore
It’s not an xforts video if there’s no joy con dammit
noble haven
ch 100 is outtt
@quartz pawn you are extremely late
also the dogpark translation is superior to the HWMN one
just saying
quartz pawn
where can i find that
noble haven
on mangadex when you're reading it should say dogpark and HWMN, pick the dogpark one
It's crazy how like dogpark's translations are as accurate as HWMN's but they sound more natural, and on top of that HWMN adds lines from themselves so JoJolion isnt vague but dogpark himself said that JoJolion is vague
https://twitter.com/dogparkdesu/status/1296189650885734400
Twitter
read the follow up tweets for more info
minor ore
Lol i just read whichever
white beacon
i don't have a much of a problem with understanding the stuffs so i don't really mind which is better or something
lost slate
dogpark proving once more how based he is
inland oyster
I like both 
kind chasm
i just read both if there is both
analog skiff
I mean in this case they still feel equal to me
I think treating dogpark like he's godlike is dumb
lost slate
yeah
he has some issues in his translation, but i feel like it's actually made for human beings
analog skiff
Imo HWMN is better in every way for this chapter other than the HD speech and the weird translation of "no one knows that that is a stand"
With something like JoJolion I'll take clarity over character any day of the week
crude umbra
inland aspen
Lol
crude umbra
"remember guys how our epic journey started?"
SBR: johnny meeting gyro and fake standing up
Jojolion:
kind owlBOT
@crude umbra, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 5 !
inland aspen
Do you guys think that Josefumi’s bubbles could remove quality because of his spin?
Or do you think he’ll reach the level of Johnny and have infinite spin because of his bubbles?
faint gust
I don't even think they're gonna do the spin
low walrus
no way theyre not gonna do the spin
i dont think gappy could achieve the golden rotation but hes at least gotta get tusk act 2 level spin
white beacon
my guess is that because of the way the string spins to create the bubble, it ""scrapes"" up things to keep in the bubble, is how i would explain plunder in a way, like with how jump rope would scrape up some dirt if it hits the floor
faint gust
I just think Mamezuku was referring to something else
he's not gonna teach Gappy the damn spin on the verge of death now
inland aspen
He was already unintentionally using it
faint gust
wasn't it like a technique specifically done by the Zepellis and I guess Wekapipo's family anyway
white beacon
it's a technique taught to knights
faint gust
unless Mamezuku somehow met Johnny before he died and Johnny was like sure bro I'll tell you about it
white beacon
and other such officers in italy
inland aspen
Or it could’ve been in a history of sorts
And Johnny was alive in this time somehow so I wouldn’t doubt they met
low walrus
the spin is just a battle technique
the golden ratio was specifically used by the zeppeli family
but the spin as a whole isnt a big secret you literally just spin something
johnny awoke it within a day after being told "just spin something you fucking dipshit" by gyro
white beacon
And Johnny was alive in this time somehow so I wouldn’t doubt they met
johnny was dead like, more than 50 years before rai was born
inland aspen
The whole timeline is fucked though so it’s not impossible 🤣
kind owlBOT
@inland aspen, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !
white beacon
it's not though..?
hard meteor
he died in 1901
low walrus
oh my bad
inland aspen
Obviously not people
low walrus
rai is not 110 years old
hard meteor
rai or his family wouldnt of met him
white beacon
and i wouldn't even say it's a "oh but maybe he didn't actually die" because like, it's publicized in the newspaper
hard meteor
its not possible
inland aspen
I’m just making fun of the JoJo timeline chill
low walrus
literally we saw johnny die
the jojo timeline has always been consistent thou
though
inland aspen
I mean part 7 is a discrepancy
low walrus
it's an alternate universe
inland aspen
An Johnny exists in the current universe
white beacon
SBR and JJL are the same universe
low walrus
how you get to fucking jojolion without realising part 1-6 are in a different universe to 7-8 is beyond me
white beacon
btw
inland aspen
I literally just poking fun omg
low walrus
poke fun at actual things
inland aspen
Well it isn’t fun when people take it serious
low walrus
anyways as i was saying
white beacon
hmm, well, i guess it's more of this is a discussion chat and not #manga-jojokes so we here actually do try to discuss things seriously
low walrus
the zeppeli family fled naples and is still alive in the SBRverse so it's possible rai met a living zeppeli or is a zeppeli
serene pasture
All the people that are saying Rai's a Zeppeli cause he had the hair as a kid: Why the hell would the zeppeli family suddently start raisin fruits instead of dedicating themselves to medicine, and why would the surname change from zeppeli to mamezuku
inland aspen
Tell that to everyone above from yesterday who made fun of the bug lol
low walrus
@serene pasture female zep could've married a mamezuku
and idk not everyone wants to be a doctor
its been over 100 years people change
serene pasture
I mean, yeah, it's possible, but i still doubt it
low walrus
yeah i doubt it
serene pasture
especially because spin has nothing to do with how mamezuku cultivates fruit
low walrus
spin has nothing to do with johnny riding horse but he still learned it
hard meteor
i have doubts on it too
serene pasture
If his branch of the zeppeli family had moved on from medicine and executions i doubt they'd still bother with spin
low walrus
actually
inland oyster
It would be way too convenient for the plot imo.
low walrus
1 sec let me find the panel
serene pasture
Johnny learned spin to regain feeling on his legs
low walrus
rai is using spin right here it's 100% confirmed
ebon rampart
inland aspen
I thought things were being discussed seriously 💀
serene pasture
Not anymore
faint gust
Gyro comes back to life: Actually I lied my name isn't Caesar or Zepelli it's Rai
low walrus
but yeah my actual theory is that rai learned the golden spin from someone because a: its cool and b: idk it could help grow the plants? we've mainly seen it used in a battle context but it could help plants grow like hamon
gyros name is actually julius
faint gust
ah right
low walrus
jesus christ fake fans out here
faint gust
I forget a lot of things
serene pasture
"The zeppeli family publicly practiced execution and medicine, but we had a secret third art in which we really excelled at, makin tiramisus and grabbin fruit from afar."
low walrus
julius caesar zepelli
faint gust
I'm still referring to him as Gyro so I forget his real nane
serene pasture
Also rai doesn't use anything to help his fruits grow, he just uses the mountain thing
low walrus
@serene pasture hamon is mainly used to melt vampires but we see it cause a dying tree to bloom after jonathan is poked by baron zep
serene pasture
doubt he'd be like "oh btw i've been using a mathematical technique to artificially make em better lol"
"and for some reason i didn't tell you this when i was explaining my methods"
low walrus
gyro wasnt exactly screaming about his secret family technique to everyone
he only told johnny because he wouldnt fucking shut up about it
"please let me touch your balls mr gyro i want to walk"
serene pasture
And mamezuku wasn't doing that with any part of his method either, but he still showed it to gappy and yasuho
why would he do it with just the spin but reveal everything else?
low walrus
well we already know that rai can use the spin
so like unless you want to believe he learned it in the day or so they spent pursuing the head doctor
serene pasture
spinning something around doesn't mean having the technique of The Spin
it's not like what rai did with his bands is some extraordinary feat
low walrus
you want me to believe rai was like "hey gappy im about to die look at this cool thing i can do with my finger haha ok that had zero purpose bye"
serene pasture
He was doing it to show Josuke how his bubbles worked, it wasn't for no reason
low walrus
i cant SEND THE PIC
serene pasture
now WHY that is important we don't really know
low walrus
AAAAAAAAARGH
go to panel 34 of the latest chapter he literally says "that is The Spin"
how much clearer can he be
serene pasture
there's the .mono feng shui theory which i really like
but that's unclear as hell
and Jesus mentioned rotation once, that doesn't mean he had spin
ebon rampart
the spin was already used by someone in part 8, nobody noticed who it was
serene pasture
I know what you're talking about
but you're forgetting that the act of 'spinning' isn't limited to JUST The Spin in the SBRverse, it's not like anything else is incapable of rotating without it and it's not like the concept of spinning around is unknown to anyone else
the fact that josuke's bubbles spin and that this spinning makes them good fortune is obviously a thematic callback to the spin but it doesn't mean it's actually the same thing as the technique
low walrus
test image to see if its all images
kind chasm
ok
minor ore
any game can be made better with a fishing minigame
low walrus
rai literally name drops "The Spin"
kind chasm
wait
minor ore
yes, even fortnite
kind chasm
ill send that wait
low walrus
can you send the dogpark translation
kind chasm
yh
it doesnt say it spins but it says its the spin
@low walrus i cant send that too for some reason
i can send any pics but that
low walrus
@trail lantern did you encrypt your panels with secret data so they cant be sent on discord
kind chasm
ok i cant send hiwamata too
ebon rampart
kinda unecessary ping
low walrus
it's like saying how something ripples isnt the same as it using The Ripple (aka Hamon)
serene pasture
...The concept of spinning isn't limited to just the technique. Just because it has a 'the' in front doesn't make it unique. It's like saying D8 is the only rock insect cause it's referred to as 'the insect' and not 'an insect'
low walrus
yeah but the difference is that there's an entire fighting technique harnessed by stands known as "The Spin" while "the insect" refers to a particular insect
white beacon
hwmn's for comparison
low walrus
we'd have to ask a japanese speaker if "The Spin" is written differently to "spin" and if rai says it one way or the other
to truly settle this
serene pasture
First we'd have to see if The Spin and just spin are even written differently
low walrus
yes thats what i just said
white beacon
it's just kaiten in japanese btw, for The Spin
kinda like how hamon and ripple are you know, the same
low walrus
i just dont think araki would build up the return of the spin for multiple chapters only to go "haha rai can just spin his finger lol get fucked"
kind chasm
yeah
loud lintel
serene pasture
Ok i checked and yeah, it specifically refers to Kaiten aka rotation, guess i was wrong
now the question is how the fuck does Rai just know spin, and why is it only being used or even mentioned now
low walrus
we'll find out in octover
serene pasture
Wait, there's still one more puzzle piece left
in the original translation, is it just Kaiten or THE Kaiten
cause one translation has 'the' and the other doesn't
ebon rampart
i cannot believe you guys are still talking about this
low walrus
shut the fuck up nobody cares
we dont care what your feelings are about people talking
minor ore
The Spin and Spin are just "Kaiten"
ebon rampart
Why are so aggresive lol
minor ore
Kaiten is just translated as "The Spin" in SBR rather than just "Spin"
low walrus
people posting a wojak and adding nothing to conversations just annoy me greatly
ebon rampart
Lol its clearly a joke and you really got mad
ebon rampart
No wonder why this server gets worse each day
ebon rampart
No thanks
serene pasture
At this point it's kinda redundant but i'm looking at how the spin looked in b&w in part 7 and comparing it to what mamezuku did
low walrus
anyways heres the first mention of gappy's bubbles actually being string
chapter 70 page 15
@serene pasture i should do the same 1 sec
do you have the link to the non-colour sbr?
i can only find jojo's coloured adventure
serene pasture
low walrus
thanks
ebon rampart
Its kinda similar to when gyro used the spin to pierce through wekapipo
With the whole blood dripping as well
low walrus
what page are you specifically referencing?
serene pasture
i think page 4 has the best look at how spin's stylized, with thick white lines
white beacon
i'd say that's just because of how josuke's bubbles and gyro's balls are both spherical
so they would make the same-lookin holes
low walrus
gyro's steel ball
damnit
i cant post rai's finger
you know where it is go look at it
low walrus
it's got the lines going all around it
white beacon
how else are you supposed to show something is spinning if not with lines around it
low walrus
i'd attribute the minor difference to late part 7 vs late (hopefully) part 8 art evolution
ill go find johnny's part 8 spin 1 sec
white beacon
that's just motion in general
like, i get what you guys are trying to do, but i think this is just grasping straws like this
low walrus
yeah
white beacon
someone can pull up some object that also spins from 1-6 and it would probably look the same
low walrus
its just comparison for comparison's sake tbh
here's johnny's spin though just for the hell of it
yo is it just me or does the rock disease from the flashback look REALLY similar to wonder of u's stand form
low walrus
serene pasture
it's just cause of the 2 horseblinder looking things he has on the side
low walrus
thats disgusting to look at i dont like it
serene pasture
most of the design is horizontal lines, not vertical
minor ore
he pulls up on you at the club, wyd?
white beacon
that kind of rockification is only limited to the higashikata curse version iirc, though i would say tsurugi is special because he's origami
scatt i think you've made that comparison every time you post a pic of that stand
ebon rampart
Lol yeah i just like it
low walrus
yo aint it fucked up how josuk8 is
25%joseph
25%4suke
25% yoshikage kira
25% jotaro
white beacon
josuke8 is
50%josefumi
25%holly
25%yoshihiro tho
where'd you get the jotaro and joseph parts??
low walrus
kir8 is 50% kira 50% jotaro
josefumi (or josephmi according to his phone) is joseph and 4suke
white beacon
know what, nevermind
ebon rampart
low walrus
no thats not right
ebon rampart
i like WoU’s current design but damn i miss its blad arms
low walrus
fuck
ebon rampart
they cool af, kinda like kars’ and the baoh ones
hard meteor
facts man i wanna see him fight like kars
rotund orbit
So did Norisuke always know about the Rokakaka and is 'lying' or is this his first encounter with the fruit?
white beacon
that's his first encounter i'm pretty sure
coral cliff
My thinking as to how Wonder of U causes "calamities" is as follows
It actually shares some similarity to King Crimson, in that people perform actions that the "Calamity Energy" has fated them to perform, without being consciously aware of it
Unlike King Crimson, they are consciously aware of it
So, Josuke moved his bubbles as he was fated to do, but he was still aware throughout the whole thing
So, it's kind of like King Crimson, but you don't forget anything, you are aware of what is happening
And also, instead of it just being fate, it's based off of calamity energy
noble haven
With something like JoJolion I'll take clarity over character any day of the week
@analog skiff the thing is they're both as accurate and hell HWMN is even less accurate because they add lines from themselves, above all that Dogpark's sound way more natural yknow
winter ridge
i am completely convinced that there is no "real" head doctor-- i think the stand might not even have a physical form. i think it just creates illusions
wait, nevemind. i forgot rai grabbed his neck
hmmmmm....
analog skiff
well it's my personal opinion @noble haven , i definitely liked chapter 100 more after reading hwmn
winter ridge
yeah i agree with that
i feel like dogpark sounds nicer but it was defintiely less clear
inland oyster
I think it's already been explained how the calamity works
it's a flow that gets triggered when someone pursues the HD
The flow of a calamity that'll kill/injure people nearby. In this case, the calamity is intended to kill everyone so that Tooru can get the locacaca fruit
winter ridge
oooooooooh cooool
WOAH the more i look at it the cooler it gets
i just realized how the anchor being split in half represents josuke being "split" , and then the crown (for the higashikata family "kings" im assuming) and the O being a bubble?
right?
coral cliff
Exactly
winter ridge
;)
my only critique is that it's a little hard to tell the L is supposed to be an L, maybe if you moved the "lion" part down a little more it would help
coral cliff
I was trying to make an anime logo
winter ridge
ahhh
coral cliff
Does it have enough symbolism for you?
coral cliff
I have been told that I am good at user interface and design
Maybe I should make an RPG
Since 90% of all RPGs are menus
coral cliff
I had an idea for a JoJolion OP, but I cannot animate
winter ridge
its weird because part 6 was the first manga part i read, and it seems like the OPs tend to have a lot of references to poses from the covers and such
so im excited to see those for the parts that ive read the manga for
like i could totally see the cover of rai and josuke sitting in the tree as part of the intro- maybe
or a bunch of flying head-doctors, a la the floating kiras in Great Days around hayato
outer tapir
maybe definitely a stupid question,, but is wonder of u sentient? or is tooru just always controlling it?
inland oyster
It’s automatic and can be controlled by Tooru
outer tapir
so when it speaks to josuke and rai, is that tooru speaking through it?
inland oyster
Yes
winter ridge
its also true that if you case after one of the "ghost" WoUs, you also become prone to calamity
or even see one, like when mitsuba was chopping
or when yasuho saw him on the wall when she was outside the higashikata house
like, they werent persuing at all
inland oyster
It’s the flow of the calamity
winter ridge
i guess, when does the flow "activate"
it doesnt seem to be quite "when you persue the HD"
it seems more specific
like also rai's father's death -- he was just tending to the orchard. he didnt seem to even know about the HD
but still fell to calamity. there is something other than "persuit"
inland oyster
The trigger causes the flow of the calamity
winter ridge
right--but the trigger isnt necessarily persuit, it seems
i think that is what rai was alluding to when he was saying there is some kind of trick
its more specific, but idk what
maybe its fear
like rai was able to get close to the HD, actively persuing him in the latest chapter, UNTIL he was tuanted and became angry
inland oyster
I think the ‘flow’ can extend to people who don’t necessarily want to pursue the HD.
It’s a lil weird
Also that was because Rai went after the rock bug
winter ridge
i dont buy that. he went after the rock bug, and then turned to the HD
and kept getting closer
intentionally, after the bug was dead
winter ridge
look, he is not very close to the doctor, after he kills the bug
hes pretty close, but not 1-2 cm
THEN he starts getting closer
he did get accidentally closer because of the bug, but then he kept pusing it, and nothing happened
until he got angry
inland oyster
There’s implied to be some sort of delay though. When the characters were pursuing the HD in the hospital they didn’t get attacked immediately every time.
This is what I’m guessing it is too, when Rai went after the HD the calamity didn’t strike immediately/quickly and this shocked Tooru
winter ridge
hmmm true
but i think there is something other than persuit that causes it
like again, going back to mitsuba
inland oyster
As for Rai’s parents there might be some details we don’t know
winter ridge
she was afraid of the HD, seeing him from out the window, but didnt attack or persue at all
and that activated it. same with yasuho
inland oyster
Hmm
winter ridge
that is my current theory, but ig we will have to see
i am not completely convinced of that theory i have, but i AM convinced that rai was right in there being a "trick"
night moon
okay i was rereading Morioh, 1901
and Araki literally says that the corpse has the power of REMOVAL, which is the exact thing Soft and Wet can do
minor ore
or it was a member of the zeppeli family who taught him the Spin
1 - I know that the zeppeli family migrated, maybe to japan, so mamezuku would be a zeppeli 2 - not a zeppeli but it was a member of the zeppeli family who taught him the Spin before 3 - to create a new form of spin himself
yeah the 4 balls are definitely coming into play in chapter 101
low walrus
gyro could almost kill the president with 2 balls
gappy can totally kill some punk ass teenager with 4 balls
winter ridge
soft and wet can create infinite "balls"
crude orchid
and Araki literally says that the corpse has the power of REMOVAL, which is the exact thing Soft and Wet can do
@night moon I’m pretty sure it’s actually the equivalent exchange of good luck and bad luck
mystic pier
who was the part 7 girl who looked a tiny bit like daiya
the one in the tree
also why is slowmode still on rip
inland oyster
Sugar Mountain?
paper quail
"he's fine"
kind owlBOT
@paper quail, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 9 !
paper quail
no chapter next month
So okay let me get this straight
Josuke's stand ability is lines that spin to look like bubbles but also they're soapy and plunder also existed?
thorny bobcat
josuke is going to use the spin with his 4 balls to turn his scrotum into a saw blade and cut off toorus head
that is how the part will end
inland oyster
The bubbles are a bunch of strings spinning together really fast to form bubbles
paper quail
They're literally described as soap bubbles in every single instance
paper quail
Just makes me wonder how josuke used the bubbles as cushions if this were the case
I remember it being hinted at, yes.
inland oyster
They spin together really fast
paper quail
I'm just recalling instances of them being used
Also plunder, is that just retconned?
paper quail
It'd be weird if he started using it again tbh because I dunno in some fights he could've used it but didn't
analog skiff
a.phex just steal their sight, ozone steal their sight, brain storm steal their sight, etc. etc.
paper quail
Yeah
I understand why it got canned if it did
Plunder is actually too busted
Steal their oxygen. Lungs become a vacuum and collapse in on themselves.
some dumb shit
odd monolith
Ohhhh, did Rai not actually tell jousuke about the spin back on the estate, only telling the reader?
I remember Rai going into detail about what he just revealed, but back with Ozon Baby
light acorn
i just finished part 7
simple kraken
Did you like it
night moon
got bored and did some coloring
simple kraken
Understandable
winter ridge
regular rokakaka exchange: wounds and physical issues can be healed by exchanging them for the cells of healthy body parts
wall eye exchange: physical elements of two different beings can be mixed around between them
new rokakaka: Lamp oil? Rope? Bombs? You want it? It's yours my friend, as long as you have enough rupees
light acorn
understandable
my friend already spoiled me soft and wets ability and that he is the main jojo's stand
LMAO HE GOT 4 BALLS
near cedar
Yes he do
light acorn
first time seeing tits in jojo
winter ridge
i was showing jjl to my grandma and we got to the part with the bathtub woman, which i completely forgot about
it was awkward
winter ridge
hello, it is me
soft and wet
ok heres the ability
buble floats aroun
takes a thing
into the bubble!
want more detail?
i saw ur new so if i kept going i would spoil
winter ridge
bubbles float around
they capture things inside of them
when the bubble pops it shoots stuff out
if it contained a thing.
th bubbles can also be used as cushions
sometimes the bubble can pop and cause damage all on its own, with nothing inside, but usually there are things inside when tey pop
ember light
light acorn
but what do they capture
ember light
they also arent really bubbles
light acorn
bruh she a snitch
light acorn
I ONLY WANNA KNOW THE ABILITY
ember light
is that even a spoiler?
inland oyster
We see a future character so yes
inland oyster
Soft and Wet is a punch ghost that has plunder and bubbles
I think it’s better if you learn about them by reading but I can detail them
ember light
oh I didnt think they would care about something so small so sorry lol
azure canopy
S&W lost the plunder abilty iirc
inland oyster
It didn’t
light acorn
can he steal the sharpness of tbe knife?
inland oyster
Yes. It can take away physical properties
azure canopy
but is it a property?
inland oyster
Like the sharpness of the knife, the sound, the friction, etc etc
light acorn
my friend told me all he stole was friction
inland oyster
Yeah sharpness is a physical property
There aren’t any limits to plunder as far as we can tell idk
azure canopy
I feel like sharpness would technically be the same as deforming the knife's shape
simple kraken
Yeah
azure canopy
so not sure if you can count it as a "property"
simple kraken
it would be
azure canopy
like yeah of course
Araki wouldn't give 2 flying fks about it
but just had that thought
inland oyster
The bubbles themselves are the 2nd ability
Soft and Wet can generate them to do a number of things.
But I think it’d be better if you just found out because it’s pretty creative
light acorn
why does yosuikage kira have no balls and the guy has 4
BRO did his 2 balls somehow transfer to the other guy
simple kraken
idk
grizzled pilot
ball transfer surgery
winter ridge
@light acorn that is explainnneeeddd sooonnn :))))
crystal axle
Pretty sure Araki doesn't really pay attention to stand cries anymore
In part 5 everyone got their own cry but now it's just ora and muda sometimes
heavy ledge
what about meryarya that literally meant something like fire or burn idk
why does yosuikage kira have no balls and the guy has 4
@light acorn if u dont wanna get spoiled keep reading and dont ask those questions
light acorn
its just so intruiguing
heavy ledge
thats the point of reading a mystery
coral cliff
Rock Humans are not selfish loners by nature, but rather by nurture
They are raised in an environment where parasitism is rewarded, and deep attachment is punished
And despite this, it is still possible for rock humans to care about others
We see it with Aisho, who became so paranoid after being betrayed by a human
And we see it with Dolomite, who wasn't betrayed, but rather sacrificed himself to protect a person he loved
inland oyster
Tooru’s the most interesting
If his stories about stuff he tried to accomplish with big companies wasn’t BS it gives him a solid motivation imo.
He doesn’t feel like he’s succeeded anywhere with his dream, and the locacaca trade is his only way achieve it.
rocky vine
simple kraken
too bad he was introduced relatively late
But yasuhos cool too
equivalent of one
crystal axle
Remember when we got a zoom in on Jousuke's bubbles after Born this Way, and they were split like his eyelids?
simple kraken
No
crystal axle
Bruh
Either way Chapter 100 implies that this isn't true anymore so now Kyo has almost been fully retconned
hard meteor
yeah how? thats more or less meant to be symbolism of him being two people in one
crystal axle
Having split bubbles implies that they are like, actually bubbles
Which they aren't
hard meteor
even then the string bubbles still have stars on them so they crack could still be there
ember light
I dont think that was meant to be an actual thing, the split bubbles were just symbolism
inland oyster
It also doesn’t retcon Kyo
She’s coming back. If ojiro was brought back she can too
hard meteor
yeah the picture implies its something deeper than her being retconned
crystal axle
It doesn't retcon Kyo but I think it's amusing how much from early Jojolion appears to be forgotten or changed into something else
The part isn't over yet of course
But there are so many mysteries left and Araki loves changing his mind while writing
frozen charm
Joe Joe
frozen charm
Joe mother
heavy ledge
theres probable 2 years more of jjl and the last 30 chapters happened in a 10 minute span in diegesis
i say patience
simple kraken
Not 10 minutes, more like a day
winter ridge
why doesnt Born This Way appear when josuke pops a bubble, huh?
it sould come out of the bubble
since it "opens"
oh shit, nvm
its a string
wow that was some good early foreshadowing that it wasnt actually spheres
and hence, nothing to "open"
big brain araki
crystal axle
I'm pretty sure born this way only works on things that can also be closed
Breaking something doesn't really count I think
snow heron
Guys I'm getting a little uncomfortable
Oh God she's getting naked
Nevermind all good
night urchin
Hey guys I've got a question about the most recent chapter
||I'm really confused about what Josuke's bubbles were doing in 100. When the WoU activated I assumed they made the bubbles erase things via calamity energy. But you see that Josuke uses them to cut through the table at one point. What the hell is he doing with them and why hasn't he done it before?||
quartz pawn
anybody who reads manga on their kindle here
thorny bobcat
he put sharp thingies in them so they would slice whatever they hit
like staples and scissors n shit
@night urchin
night urchin
I heard that before but it never seems to be said, at least not in the translation I'm reading. There's a line that might be saying it but it's unclear.
Aight then, though, makes sense.
thorny bobcat
👍
i believe that spin is going to be what finally defeats tooru because josuke is going to use the spin with his 4 balls to turn his scrotum into a saw blade and cut off toorus head
i have said this before and i will say it again
white beacon
quartz pawn
i believe that spin is going to be what finally defeats tooru because josuke is going to use the spin with his 4 balls to turn his scrotum into a saw blade and cut off toorus head
@thorny bobcat like ceasar's spinny hamon cutter
quartz pawn
why his ballsack tho
dosent he wanna save them for later
jojo part 9 wont exist then
thorny bobcat
tru
gappy and yasuho do the thing and have a bunch of twins that all can use spin and have stands and work together
that would be epic
quartz pawn
yeah
we could have a part where not one, but two new jojos would be there in the same timeline
thorny bobcat
yes that would be cool
two jojos that are brother and sister
they have separate stands except they can like join together and do stuff as a duo
Joey and joanne or something idk
coral cliff
Theory:
Wonder of U is able to manipulate souls to a degree, somewhat like Chariot Requiem
Though, not to the extend that Chariot Requiem can
Wonder of U seems to have some ability to influence the actions of others
This is most clear in the most recent chapter, when Rai gets fucked up by Josuke's bubbles, and Josuke is like "But... but I was controlling them..."
It also happens when Mitsuba cuts her fingers, when the reporter dude gets fruit juice inside him, when the doctor nearly kills Josuke, and even when Josuke accidentally kills a man simply by touching him
All of which are things Chariot Requiem would be able to do with soul manipulation
How does this tie into transforming objects into lethal projectiles? IDK
This wouldn't be the first stand in JoJo with two disparate abilities
lost slate
I think he can slightly manipulate reality to cause calamity
burnt pagoda
yeah
theres seems to be a bit of reality warping
esp since mama zuku 
missed from 1cm
Basically wou is like that meme where you peel a lil bit of the skin near your nail
but endup peeling all the skin off your body
coral cliff
Stand Name: Wonder of U
Stand Master: Tooru
One of the most dangerous stands.
Wonder of U can overwrite reality to cause a calamity.
However, it can only do it to harm those who would pursue the stand or the user, and cannot control the exact outcome.
It can also disguise itself as a human, to trick people into pursuing it.
burnt pagoda
Mamazuku said something a out the calamity being fake i wonder what he meant
he may just have been saying "eh i dont see this as a bad thing"
coral cliff
Maybe Wonder of U just has a high speed stat
kind owlBOT
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burnt pagoda
Or that you can ignore the bad luck flow
coral cliff
And that is how it dodged
burnt pagoda
also in the manga its seems that the wou is a stand with a stand
cuz he says "my stand the wou"
coral cliff
Wonder of U being able to disguise itself as an old man is a clever trick
burnt pagoda
not torru but the wou you itself says that
coral cliff
You wouldn't pursue a stand, what if it is dangerous
burnt pagoda
also regular people can see it
coral cliff
But you might pursue an old man, what harm can he do
coral cliff
Here is my question
Wonder of U is an insanely powerful stand
Like, SSSSS++++++++++ tier
How is Araki going to top that in the final fight?
lost slate
josuke uses the infinite rotation to break through the calamity
that's what i think will happen
i predict
coral cliff
Somehow, a deck of cards that can conceal objects as one part of its ability is more powerful than a stand that can warp reality
burnt pagoda
there s no way hes gonna use the infinite rotation
limber yarrow
joshu beating up tooru might beat the stand
burnt pagoda
you need a horse
lost slate
true
burnt pagoda
and you have to say you cant do it 4 times
lost slate
that was for act two though
coral cliff
@limber yarrow My guy, you could just waltz into the Higashikata estate, take the Rokakaka, and leave
No one would be able to stop you
So why are you waiting until now to make your move?
limber yarrow
someone noticed me
burnt pagoda
Joubin deff planted speed king on the plant
burnt pagoda
joshu might die unless he just unscrews heat
idk if he can do that
but maybe he can
lost slate
if only the higashikatas focused on protecting the estate rather than attacking the head doctor
burnt pagoda
fina split atoms in the higashikata estate
lost slate
especially with abilities like ckb and pmk
burnt pagoda
joshu could nuke morio
lost slate
tribal summit
I still don't think tooru's stand ability is calamities happening when trying to approach his stand
If he truly is the main villain I just don't see it being the case
And if not I believe he has multiple abilities
Every other main villain has had something to do with time so why wouldn't he?
minor ore
Not every main villain had time manipulation.
tribal summit
Besides kars
kind owlBOT
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tribal summit
He had no stand
minor ore
I wouldn't really say Valentine manipulates time either. He can pull in people from other dimensions and go to other dimensions using "portals," and a few other abilities.
That's spatial manipulation if anything.
drifting saffron
what if you wanted to read chapter 100 of jojolion but araki said ||SPEEN||
drifting saffron
are we talking D4C?
minor ore
Space and time are still two distinct things, they're just intertwined. His ability was stated to being able to traverse dimensions, not time.
tribal summit
No I meant tooru's
I think his ability is to go back in time
I just dont buy the whole calamity thing
I dont understand why Araki would change the theme of the spin for calamities
drifting saffron
gappy could learn to make bubbles that spin and hit the head doctor unintentionally
winter ridge
but wouldnt the act of creating those bubbles, in the hope of harming the doctor, count as persuit?
long flax
There are some crazy theories out there
white beacon
Dur and foo, that's exactly what gappy did
But rai was too hasty and despite having been so close to the stand because his attention wasn't on it, the moment he attacked(pursued) it fully is the moment he "accidentally" gets hit by one of the idly floating scraper bubbles
But this also pretty much proves situation they are in, no matter how close they will ever be the stand, they can't ever damage it if they directly attack it
minor ore
winter ridge
Is the "toru" in "Akefu Satoru" spelled the same / similarly to "tooru"?
Ah rip, "Satoru" is spelled with just 1 kanji character
Still , I wonder if that was intentional
The parallel in their names
Maybe tooru is just a nickname
near cedar
I think his ability is to go back in time
@tribal summit soooo.... Bites The Dust
Araki stopped with the time powers
D4C manipulates parallel realities so obviously if Tooru has a second ability and Araki does what he did before it'll be reality manipulation of some sort
Not a damn time power again
granite grove
Omg jojolion is fucking bananas
lost slate
yeah, it is
eternal lance
yup
granite grove
I’m mad that I didn’t read this sooner. After SBR I didn’t think anything would top it
lost slate
You caught up yet?
granite grove
@lost slate nah just started. I’m on chapter 10
lost slate
dude
if you think jjl is good now, it's easily gonna be your favourite part when you're caught up
granite grove
@lost slate o fucc. I already LOVE it
Man I’m just so confused tho. Like everything is batshit crazy lmao
granite grove
I love how it’s connected to part 4 kinda?
near cedar
Not rly
granite grove
And the art style is godlike
@near cedar I meant with the names and stuff
Plus it’s in morioh
near cedar
Oh that's what chuu meant, then yes
granite grove
Yeh I’m aware this is its entirely own thing but there’s references and call backs to multiple parts which I really like
kind owlBOT
@granite grove, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !
near cedar
Okay just making sure to spread the info that parts 7-8 are their own thing cuz i was misslead originally lul
near cedar
Ikr
granite grove
Like they’re so in depth. It’s so refreshing
near cedar
Idk yo i like my punching ghosts xD
granite grove
Lmaooo tbh I think josuke might have my new favorite stand
Sex Pistols has always been my fave but soft and wet is just so cool
granite grove
Really? It’s awesome!
@near cedar btw is it true that there is no main antagonist?
near cedar
Er, yes no
We do not know exactly who it is yet however due to the latest few chapters we have an idea now @granite grove
granite grove
O damn ok awesome. Can’t wait to get caught up
near cedar
Have Fuuuuuuuuun
granite grove
Thanks man!
lost slate
you missed an opportunity there to say 'have fun fun fun'
granite grove
@lost slate clever boy
kind chasm
:D
minor ore
Guys, Araki missed an opportunity
He could have named Tooru's stand [ScatMan] and D8 could have been Ski Ba Bop Ba Dop Bop
white beacon
he missed an opportunity by not naming Ozon Baby as Under Pressure
minor ore
Yeah
Or just naming Wou [Iron Man] that would be awsome
Or [Crazy Train]
What do you think Tooru listening to Crazy trian meant?
Accept from just "Araki likes the song and just put it there"
I want theories
supple totem
crazy train might be tsurugis new stand
or pherhaps josukes evolved stand
or mayby it's just a refrence
ebon rampart
thorny bobcat
i think it would be cool if josuke got two stands in his final fight
cause like technically one person cant have more than one stand
thorny bobcat
ut technically he is two people so if he pilled out soft and wet and killer queen that would be sick
eternal lance
ye
thorny bobcat
made sheer heart attack fly around in bubbles as mines lol
night moon
more coloring
vocal mason
can't wait for the new colored scans
zenith tangle
minor ore
Oooh
What if wou was golden like the coloured above
I always thought of it as silver
And that other one thats turquoise and magenta ooog
near cedar
you missed an opportunity there to say 'have fun fun fun'
@lost slate chose not to take it, but ik the opportunity was there 😉
serene pasture
Y’all are starting to think josuke can get 2 stands cause ‘fusion’ now huh
ebon rampart
Well I mean his stand is already kinda like 2 stands already
kind chasm
yeah
ebon rampart
So doubt that he’ll be able to get another stand
serene pasture
It’s one stand that inherited another’s properties, that’s still 1 stand
kind owlBOT
@serene pasture, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 15 !
serene pasture
The fact that josuke has someone else’s qualities doesn’t mean that he’s 2 people, that’s stupid
deep jasper
having 2 stands breaks rules tbh
deep jasper
josuke's stand is just Josefumi's Soft and wet with characteristics of Killer Queen
if Josuke were to be formed from Kira's body it's probably be Killer Queen with Soft and Wet properties
alternatively, substands or act stands
Thats probably gonna be the likely route
maybe a S&W Act 2 or something
cinder fern
i dont think that’ll happen
near cedar
having 2 stands breaks rules tbh
@deep jasper DIO Hermit Purple+ The World
Two stands
cinder fern
DIO is two people tbf
near cedar
One stolen kind of but still used by him
deep jasper
fair enough
but the only other recorded incident of a person having 2 stands is Cheap Trick
cinder fern
does Superfly not also count
deep jasper
not really
deep jasper
Milagro man is a fair point since it's similar to Cheap Trick
I'm not sure about Anubis, it's main thing is that it possesses people
cinder fern
I think of it as when Anubis takes over you
like its still temporarily your stand
just out of your control
deep jasper
i suppose so, Anubis is the one who takes control but i suppose it could be
cinder fern
so there are instances, but all of them have special conditions around how or why they happened
also Again Pucci and his epic evolving stands, hes a gamer
deep jasper
I just can't figure out the logistics of 2 punchy ghost
cinder fern
thats cause thats not a thing
i mean i guess you can temporarily have that happen if Whitesnake is involved but
temporarily
vocal mason
someone can only manifest one stand ability themselves
but a parasite stand like Milagro man or Cheap Trick can be put on them
same with the stand discs
near cedar
Or if you are a vampire head attached to a body
You can then manifest two stands if that body has the potential
white beacon
i think kars is used as a baseline for a "good" stand because he's, regrettably, the strongest non-stand user we know of, so if your stand has a chance against kars, it's definitely a stand that's at least part of the upper ranks
near cedar
Tbf some of the strongest stands can't beat Ultimate Kars