No
#jojolion
minor ore
You go full will byers mode or go bust
man things sure are getting stranger in this chat haha
Haha, what a story smanta!
But seriously imagine a girl bowl cut
ocean mirage
is there a wearable stand in part 8 yet?
minor ore
i dont want to.. bowl cuts are just universally bad
joshu gets a pass because he's funny
Actually, nvm girl bowl cuts are just as disgusting
fading cove
dont upload live action jojolion
ocean mirage
joshu origin
fading cove
i found this video
i have no clue how to describe it
but
i realized no one counts part 8 for anything because no one knows who the villain is or who the jobro is
minor ore
i think its safe to say that yasuho is the jobro
fading cove
if josuke didnt save him 2 times from 100% death
i think he pulled him back from chilly peppers too
the first time
minor ore
Ermes didn't die
fading cove
its accelerate time
minor ore
ermes didnt die, we sent her to a big ermes farm where she's happily frolicking to this day : )
fading cove
😉
viral plume
I mean, ermes only ||died through getting her arms cut off. She died in a lame way.|| SPOILER FOR PART 6
viral plume
Oh, ok
minor ore
Thanks for the spoiler warning, almost got spoiled on part 6
minor ore
You mean jojolion?
fading cove
smh
beginning and end are the most important parts of a story
so
it could be
but not yet
minor ore
Like gappy isn't even that heroic
fading cove
he acts more like a giorno
minor ore
hes similar to johnny in that his motivation is mainly just for himself and his closest friend
ocean mirage
maybe gappy hasn't found that drive to be a hero yet
sleek mason
everyone in this part is honestly kinda morally grey; there's not a of outright heroism
minor ore
same as in part 7 (although FV is pretty obviously a very bad guy)
sleek mason
idk i can't think of any fights where the protags fight to prevent innocnets form getting hurt for example
minor ore
You guys actually took it seriously
sleek mason
and jobin protecting tsurugi from stuff jobin kinda brought into the house himself
minor ore
is anyone... in this world.. truly innocnet
We were just meming on the guy for this line of reasoning minutes ago
ocean mirage
fading cove
araki said what makes villain is how easily they can dispense lives to the side
fading cove
its a shamrock
ocean mirage
don't you like shamrock?
minor ore
Wtf is shamrock?
👊 overdrive! @minor ore
minor ore
No
fading cove
minor ore
the most recent chapter slightly gives me high priestess and KC vibes
coral cliff
What of the Head Doctor's stand is called "Somebody's Watching Me"
sly turret
I would think the stand is either Black Hole Sun or Dangerous Pursuit
fading cove
now this is a CRAZY THEROY
but
because the chapter is named "dangerous pursuit part 1" that should mean the stand is named dangerous pursuit
sly turret
Thats what I thought at first, but then I remembered chapters like High Voltage
which had The World if I remember correctly
so my bet rn is on Black Hole Sun being the name
safe breach
what's part 8 main villain?????????????
sly turret
You new here?
bc that debate happens I think every day at this point
General consensus seems to be either Jobin, Caato, or head doctor
although a few people also say there won't be a main villain
sly turret
yup
also it is technically supposed to be Caato
its the same thing how sometimes Josuke is mistranslated as Jousuke
fading cove
cant be head doctor
we know nothing about him
not even his name
or stand
we have no hints about him either
sly turret
True
fading cove
we at least have hints about kaato
sly turret
yeah we at least have actually seen her personality
fading cove
like thats a pretty nice phone for being in prison since 1990
sly turret
Idk man JJL is a trip
fading cove
just do underworld again
sly turret
this new stands arm blades are giving me hope
that maybe the user can still control it at close range and we can have an actual stand battle
viral plume
I think that armblades is Torus
sly turret
Thats what I thought too (and still think it is somewhat possible) but the volume release of the manga has a page that says it is the Head Doctor's stand
I think when translated this says the head doctor is the user
I'd like to check the face of TG University Hospital Director Ikake Sato Meikyou (89), but I can't catch up. Is it really 89? When you look back, it looks like a stand that you can see for a moment. What are you coming out for? It ’s only certain that it ’s an enemy. Stubborn
Actually nvm I checked for myself through google translate and this is what it said
upper knoll
We skipped 10 days into the future to see Tsurugi discovering a dead body or a gravely injured Norisuke then jumped back 7 days
upper knoll
he
sly turret
My guess is Caato killed him
upper knoll
Is he actually dead or what
sly turret
we don't know for sure, but he looks like it
upper knoll
I don't know when the newest chapter is
sly turret
chapter 89
upper knoll
I meant when it takes place
sly turret
oh
upper knoll
For now it's 7 days before harvest for me
upper knoll
Ah nah the kid's fine, didn't die
daring lily
I think if the kid died the situation would have escalated too much
minor ore
didnt he leave it ambiguous? I dont remember
daring lily
It was the next chapter or the one after the mothers of the girl scouts were having a meeting about it and it was said she was recovering in the hospital or somthing along the lines of that
minor ore
ah, interesting
wild meteor
jesus part 8 is so weird
maybe its cause i havent consumed much jojos in a while
but man
the people dont act like people
its almost surreal
coral cliff
STAND NAME: DANGEROUS PURSUIT
STAND MASTER: HEAD DOCTOR
Dangerous pursuit is a long-range automatic stand
sly turret
@wild meteor I actually disagree
I think jjl has some of the best written characters in the series
minor ore
yeah i think theyre the most natural acting of any part besides maybe 4
sly turret
especially Jobin, Yasuho, and Gappy
Only real issue I have with the writing is that sometimes Gappy is a bit too smart at figuring out how stands work
kinda like Johnny
coral cliff
In order to use Dangerous Pursuit, the Head Doctor must first target someone with his stand. A target must be in line of sight of the Head Doctor to be targeted. Dangerous Pursuit can only target one person at a time; if the Head Doctor wants to target someone else, he must first call Dangerous Pursuit off the active target. Dangerous Pursuit activates when the target thinks about "pursuing" the Head Doctor; This is defined as mentally deciding to move to the Head Doctor's current location. At this point, Dangerous Pursuit will cause all objects in the vicinity of the target to gravitate towards them, with extreme velocity. This will continue until the target is dead or incapacitated, or until they are no longer thinking about moving towards the Head Doctor's current position.
sly turret
did you just write all of that
minor ore
on mobile
sly turret
I'm guessing thats ur theory on it
coral cliff
I think Head Doctor first selected Josuke as his target at the bus
minor ore
i think it might be a little more automatic than that
coral cliff
And that Rai has just been there unfortunately
minor ore
head doctor might not even need to target someone
coral cliff
But then how would the stand distinguish from anyone
One of the other members of the Rokakaka organization could decide to meet up with him for orders
And the next thing they know, Dangerous Pursuit is on their ass
coral cliff
Plus, if there is no targeting mechanism, he is WAY too omnipotent and he is completely broken
At least my way, there's a counter
sly turret
I still think that Gappy and Rai are wrong about the stand
coral cliff
What do you think the trigger is then
sly turret
Idk but I think they're wrong about the HD as a whole
I can't explain it, everything about him just feels "off"
coral cliff
Time to type another text wall
Dangerous Pursuit is not just one stand, but two. One stand is the "Bait" and the other stand is the "Chaser". The "Bait" is an illusion which can take any form. The Head Doctor is in full control of the "Bait" at all times. In the event that someone thinks about the "Bait" in its current form, the "Chaser" will find them and attack them. This is kind of like Killer Queen in your eye, but instead of instant death, you become a target which the "Chaser" can track.
The head doctor as we have seen him is not a man, but he is actually the "Bait".
That's my new theory.
fading cove
requiem was because king crimson was too op
minor ore
speaking of king crimson, what do you guys think of the "gappy obtaining king crimson" theory
minor ore
i can see it happening tbh but i dont believe it will
sly turret
Hey I was watching this Meti video and noticed this really cool art of if Damo was drawn in the style of the typical main JoJo villain, and was wondering if anyone here happened to know who the artist was?
Also sidenote this really makes me wish he was still alive and was the main villain
sly turret
I agree completely
I was hoping for a power up of some kind, but that's definitely not happening
plucky widget
still an amazing fight
raven crest
Not exactly a power up as the fight style is problem
plucky widget
what do you mean
raven crest
That's because you have to face Damo from a long range and those fights aren't as much exciting as close ranged ones. It worked for Josuke vs Kira and Funny's long long fight so you never know, maybe it could have worked
plucky widget
oh yea
for being a main villain
if he gets close to you you’re obliterated
donezo
sly turret
I think if he got un upgrade to his ability where the hands do something more deadly then softening (idk maybe erasing space like the hand or something) he would have made for a super interesting and unique main villain
stark fossil
I could believe the bait is an illusion, given that several people at different places saw it
However it appeared on CCTV so if it was an illusion it would have to be one that works through past camera footage, which seems odd even for JoJo
I think the counter is to lure the HD, then use Daiya to take your memories of him
That way you can't possibly think of going after him
viral plume
Who the fuck will be the main villain? I am so confuzzled
upper knoll
Okay, I'm caught up now
stark fossil
It's all up in the air
viral plume
epic
upper knoll
I can finally unmute this and #jojo-overall-discussion channel 😎
stark fossil
The mystery of Gappy's identity got solved, now it's the mystery of who is pulling the strings
Araki is talking up Jobin a lot but the other rock humans don't believe he's that important
He seems more like one of those minor villains whose actions set off something major
And we know that Jobin's been basically doing Kaato's work outside prison so Kaato's a better contender for main villain
minor ore
Jobin seems like a diego kinda guy
Mostly doing his own thing that sometimes interferes with the villain and the hero
stark fossil
What if Tsurugi's a 46 year old rock human using Paper Moon King to pose as Jobin's son
I'm joking but, also, screenshotting just in case
viral plume
I hope Karera gets back
kind owlBOT
@viral plume, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !
stark fossil
He just dumped Kyo and Karera so unceremoniously once they served their purpose
viral plume
#BringWaifusBack
stark fossil
At least he acknowledges that Daiya and Hato still exist
stark fossil
Should give everyone hope
minor ore
Hato is my waifu
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !
minor ore
So idc about anyone else
upper knoll
She was Damo's waifu too
minor ore
Except he actually fucked her twice
And gave her a naked bath 5 times
And then had the balls to make out with her infront of her dad
stark fossil
Also the theory that Dangerous Pursuit Stand causes things to collide at high velocity can't be right cos Mitsuba got injured from a splinter on a window frame
At least I think that's what happened
coral cliff
There's this theory I heard on Reddit, and I wanted to post it here. It's about Caato's stand, and what it will eventually be named as.
stark fossil
Also there was that window that just appeared out of nowhere
In the hospital
Kaato's Stand is [ King Cardashian ] I established this
coral cliff
The person proposed that the Caato's stand will be named "Queen of Spades", a song by Styx.
For one, "Queen of Spades" certainly fits with the playing card motif.
Also, having it named "Queen" instead of "King" would kind of show how opposite her views are to Norisuke's.
kind owlBOT
@coral cliff, Your Stand Power is now level 10 !
coral cliff
Also, "King Nothing" is a song about a man who loses everything.
"Queen of Spades" is about a woman who takes everything.
There's other evidence but I don't remember right now, Ill look it up later.
supple totem
D4c pocket edetion
kind owlBOT
@supple totem, Your Stand Power is now level 14 !
coral cliff
I also have my own theory about how Queen of Spades will work
Well not really a theory
Just an ability I think would be cool thats based on playing cards
There's a lot of emphasis on family and lineage in JoJolion
I think that each card represents a different family member of the Higashikata family tree
By shuffling the deck and drawing a card, Caato can emulate the stand of the person whose card she drew
However she has no control over which card she draws
analog ether
Who's ability would she be emulating with the whole "put a chair in a card thing" then?
coral cliff
Shed be emulating the ability of her ancestor
The 25th president of the United States
Now that probably sounds insane
But think about it
Araki has already done the "secret kid" trope with Dio Brando
Not just once with Giorno, but twice with Dios other kids in Part 6
Would it really be a stretch for him to do it again with Valentine
analog ether
Um
Unless valentine was fucking the first Norisukes wife in secret, yes, it would be a bit of stretch.
analog ether
You're ignoring my point. If Valentine was really an ancestor of Cato then that would be mean he would've had to have had a kid with one of the Higashikatas way back in the 1880s. And as far as we know, the only Higahikaata women at that time was the First Norisukes wife.
coral cliff
I don't understand, I must be missing something here
Are you saying Caato was a Higashikata before she married Norisuke?
minor ore
yeah lpc u kinda flubbed right there
coral cliff
We don't know what Kaato last name was before she married Norisuke
analog ether
I see. Yeah yeah yeah. Sorry
minor ore
it’s all good
analog ether
Smooth brain moment
minor ore
it was a glitch in the system
viral plume
Kaato Rockhuman
HMMMMMMMMM???
coral cliff
Kaato Valentine is perfectly plausible
raven crest
Still, it seems like a really large coincidence if Valentine is Kaato's ancestor. It just doesn't seem like smooth storytelling
plucky widget
but I do like it
viral plume
Eh, I wouldnt want Kaato Valentine
plucky widget
because of how fucking crazy it is
plucky widget
maybe higashikata nut gives you a stand too
coral cliff
Dio's 3 kids are a stretch too
analog ether
But GRAVITY
raven crest
It's not impossible that he had them with all the rape he loved
plucky widget
I don’t see how dios 3 kids are a stretch
he had giorno who’s to assume he didn’t have more
minor ore
u telling me dio didn’t pull out 4 different times
coral cliff
Heres the thing
This is just a hunch
And youre right @plucky widget
It is a big stretch
plucky widget
im gonna be honest
kind owlBOT
@plucky widget, Your Stand Power is now level 12 !
coral cliff
But I have a good feeling about this one
raven crest
DIO probably thought he was sterile or something. Keep in mind he never knew he had kids
minor ore
we thought dio had no kids tho at first 🤔
plucky widget
we are explicitly told there are no valentine children at the time
analog ether
DIO also didn't have a wife
minor ore
plucky widget
With his whole speech about an American dynasty
analog ether
That exlpoded
plucky widget
we see almost every single thing that valentine does after scarlet dies
raven crest
DIO loved his one night stands enough that I wouldn't be surprised he had even more children
plucky widget
mhm
but valentine is “dead”, and scarlet is dead
he had no kids and wasn’t with any other women
except for Lucy LOL
minor ore
as far as we know
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 14 !
minor ore
stando
plucky widget
I guess he could have been with someone BEFORE scarlet
coral cliff
Since when has explicitly telling us something ever stopped Araki from retconning the story
plucky widget
because it doesn’t happen with major plot points
like children
I’m not saying you’re wrong
I’m saying that it’s incredibly unlikely
minor ore
he’s obvi wrong the real daughter of valentine was ojiros girlfriend
analog ether
SBR verse writing is also a lot more consistent.
So "Araki lol" isn't really an argument
raven crest
That's because he has the time to think now. Araki lol happened because first 500+ chapters were made without a single hiatus
minor ore
who do y’all think the final villain will be
raven crest
No idea
raven crest
It's definitely someone we already know but not Jobin. Maybe Joshu 🤞
plucky widget
not joshu mmm
minor ore
i think there’s really only 4 options
analog ether
Jobin vs Josuke is final battle. I can't see it as anything else. Unless the finale is a battle royal
raven crest
It just ruins the purpose of mystery if antagonist is someone new
minor ore
jobin/head doctor/kaato/?
?=mystery
I like how yall are wonderfully ignoring the head doctor
plucky widget
head doctor is probably just a projection
plucky widget
considering how literally no one can get his face
raven crest
There's no way he is the main antagonist. He is fucking 89 years old. 89!
minor ore
he has his own stand/stand user page
does he really
yes
can u show idt i remember that at all
@minor ore one sec
so that’s confirmed his stand
pretty much
well fuck i was betting my life on that being toorus
unless araki F O R G E T S and actually makes it toorus stand
plucky widget
this is going to be dumb
but araki could just say that the stand page was a fake lol
minor ore
I certainly hope not
honestly this stand doesn’t scream main villain to me
because its automatic?
no just the look of it just doesn’t seem like it to me but the ability sure does
I mean it feels like a green day stand
and probably but jojolion stands look... weird to say the least
raven crest
Inb4 Yasuho was the antagonist all along
raven crest
Wh7 wouldn't
minor ore
i think everyone would at the same exact time
collectively
she and her paisley park?
UnLeSs It GeTs An UpGrAdE
the main antagonist was joshu as he upgrades his stand to star platinum the world
over heaven
requiem
ACT 4
now that’s a stand
that stand' ability would be just "yes"
anyway
I think that the dangerous pursuit arc feels like johnnys first encounter with D4C
coral cliff
I forgot to mention something
I never said that Caato might be Valentine's great granddaughter or something, only that she's related to valentine. Far more likely is that Valentine's father isn't as righteous as he thinks, and was unfaithful during his civil war excursion. A lot of soldiers did unscrupulous things during the civil war, you know.
queen fox
That’ll ruin Valentines characterization
Imo
Valentine is based off his father, if his father was just Joseph it’ll just be bad
stark fossil
Meti capturing a lot of imaginations with that video I see
People love to find very specific parallels between song lyrics and characters but idk how much Araki is thinking about these things
minor ore
Valentine's father is obviously christopher walken
stark fossil
At this point I'm not ruling it out
You'll know a character is Christopher Walken be**'cause'** words 'will' be 'bold' when you 'don't' expect them 'to' be
minor ore
long higashikata tradition, kept alive especially by jobin
sly turret
Guys thats not a stand page
Run the image through google translate
It doesn't say ANYWHERE that it is the head doctors stand
"I'd like to check the face of TG University Hospital Director Ikake Sato Meikyou (89), but I can't catch up. Is it really 89? When you look back, it looks like a stand that you can see for a moment. What are you coming out for? It ’s only certain that it ’s an enemy. Stubborn"
Obvious there are some typos, but the general point gets across
coral cliff
Okay
So I took the song "Crazy My Beat" by Coda
And I shortened it so that it can be used in a fan OP or something
Do with it what you will
sly turret
Sounds cool
heavy grove
I really hope it's not toorus stand
I want toorus to be cooler and more entertaining
And I bring this point up a lot, but tooru wouldnt have a reason to have that stand
He doesn't need to protect himself
Or his identity
coral cliff
What if Caato is the real Head Doctor
And this whole arc is how she gets set up as the main villain
sly turret
It could happen
coral cliff
Now, I don't think that this is the Head Doctor's stand
I don't think it's Tooru's either
sly turret
Look at Diavolo before he was formally introduced
coral cliff
I think it's an intermediary third party
What I mean is
I am of the opinion that this Old Man that Josuke and Rai have been pursuing
Is nothing but an illusion generated by some stand ability
And that it's just a front for Caato to use
heavy grove
That's a good theory, but we already have quite a few parties already
sly turret
Oh yeah one thing nobody seems to bring up anymore is how is it that when Rai was chasing HD he somehow was essentially teleported so he wouldn't reach HD
heavy grove
Jobins, the rokakaka organization, josukes group, and the other higashikatas
sly turret
He was chasing him but then suddenly was going towards Gappy again
heavy grove
I wonder if tsurugi is working with the HD
Since he could be the reason why the HD moves so fast and teleports
And maybe the real head doctor is somewhere else using his stand to track josuke and rai
And yasuho is the one to find that out with Paisley park, since she might not be targeted by the head doctors stand
And maybe they try and subdue tsurugi to get to the head doctor and norisuke steps in and fucking dies
Idk
coral cliff
@heavy grove Did you see my "Bait" theory about this stand
coral cliff
No
Yesterday, I theorized that the "Head Doctor" is actually a sub-stand
And that when you attempt to pursue this sub-stand
That's what triggers the mechanical thing
heavy grove
That could be true, but some things would still be unexplained
Depending on the main stand
Oh, another thing regarding my theory
It would also explain why the head doctor was at the higashikata household and the whole scenario at the fence
coral cliff
That is true
heavy grove
Wait
Was tsurugi at the higashikata house with mitsuba?
Cause I only remember mitsuba there when she pointed the HD out
heavy grove
Maybe hes wrong with the whole jobin group
Mitsuba, tsurugi, and jobin
Since they're family
coral cliff
Maybe the Head Doctor IS being teleported around, like you said
coral cliff
I think the Head Doctor might need to deliberately target someone for the stand to read their thoughts
Kind of like how Bites the Dust was attached to Hayato
Maybe the Head Doctor attatched his stand to Josuke at the bus
And the stand has been trailing him ever since, reading his mind, and attacking when he decides to move to the head doctor's location
sly turret
Goddamnit I just wanna see it kill someone with the armblades
analog ether
OK to clarify the whole thing of Mitsuba seeing the Head Doctor.
That happened 3 days before the harvest. The new chapter happens two days before the harvest and the chapter were they were chasing the HD at the hospital took place 6 days before the harvest.
So it's not that the HD is teleporting around, he's just been wandering for a few days. It's a weird time line hopping thing.
sly turret
It still seems like he's teleporting at the hospital though
Bc even without the stuff knocking into them they can't catch up
And also Rai was chasing him and then somehow ended up back at Gappy
coral cliff
I also know that Dangerous Pursuit needs some mechanism to distinguish between targets
Because what if some Rock Boi wants to meet up with the Head Doctor for orders
If the stand just attacked everyone, then the Rock Boi would get messed up too
And then how would the Head Doctor get anything done
Wait a minute
The stand can't be called Dangerous Pursuit
Dangerous Pursuit isn't a song
Or a band
Or an album
violet coral
So what do we think the name will be?
And while we are at it, what will be the color scheme?
violet coral
I'm thinking dark red, with splotches of green
violet coral
idk, I just feel like they would be on it
supple totem
a sun is orange , red and yellow
so i'm guessing when head doc stand is going to be colored it's going to be black and red
violet coral
one thing we all can seem to get behind is that red might be part of the color scheme
stark fossil
How long before the harvest was the head doc appearing near the gates of the school?
Don't tell me that little girl tried to pursue the head doc and the gates magically crushed her
That would be sad
Stand name is [I Hear You Knocking ]
sly turret
Or Hard Knock Life
minor ore
the girl was probably curious about the doctor
she wanted to get a better look at him and that's when the ability activated
sly turret
That's what I thought
minor ore
she didnt want to harm him or anything and my theory is that thats why she only has light injuries
someone also went up with an amazing theory that in japan, thr number 89 can also be pronounced as misfortune and that that is somehow the stand's ability
misfortune or whatever
violet coral
so now it depends on the level of intent
if the intent is not dangerous to the head doctor, the injuries are light
if the intent IS dangerous to the head doctor, the injuries are heavy.
@minor ore is what im getting
brazen crater
'2 days until harvest'
also, did anyone else notice that norisuke's birth name is josuke?
coral cliff
@minor ore Sounds like Love Train kinda
brazen crater
I can't remember if hes graduated, but doesn't joshu have a sociology degree
hybrid pawn
coral cliff
To Joshu's credit, Sociology is a noble profession
No one takes them seriously, and there's not enough of them in the world
plucky light
when was part 8s first chapter released
plucky light
guess the anime is probs only gonna go up to part 6
plucky light
part 8 is nowhere near finished
analog ether
It's still going to take DP a good couple of years to actually animate part 6 & 7
Almost 4-5 years
at best
plucky light
part 7 will be a tricky one
i think araki at this point just needs to explain how the new universe formed
for a smooth transition for anime watchers
analog ether
That's not how alternate contiunety's work
Does Araki need to explain why the Part 1-6 universe exists?
No, it just does
Part 7 - 8 is the same
plucky light
fuck
whats his name again
josuke
werent they merged together
him and kira?
@analog ether
plucky light
havent read for like a year and a half
kind owlBOT
@plucky light, Your Stand Power is now level 8 !
analog ether
He fed him the new fruit, which healed him
analog ether
And then they both went under the wall eyes
queen fox
Araki planned part 8 really well
queen fox
I think the meme of Araki Forgot is getting to him in some way
Araki has basic English
coral cliff
Also, if you thought JoJolion is taking a long time, strap in, because Part 3 had 150 chapters, so we aren't even halfway
plucky light
i stopped
analog ether
Part 3 was weekly
plucky light
because there were no more chapters
analog ether
SBR had only 95 chapters and it's the longest JoJo part
plucky light
was sbr seinen
analog ether
Yes
queen fox
JJL is already longer I think
plucky light
Oh thats why
analog ether
It's been going on for longer, but SBR is bigger
plucky light
i think it will probably end in 35 chapters or so
raven crest
Part 3 was 150 20-page chapters. Average Jojolion is 40 something pages long
minor ore
also due to the fact that the switch happened during sbr
queen fox
Sienen Normally end by the 140’s
minor ore
its probably a bit longer
plucky light
i skipped sbr for jojolion
minor ore
dont do that
raven crest
Jojolion is already 2nd largest in page length after SBR
analog ether
?
analog ether
H u h
plucky light
understood it quite easily
minor ore
maybe it doesn't
raven crest
Just why
plucky light
im just reading part 7 because
plucky light
its fine lol
queen fox
JJL is longer in page length
analog ether
No, JJL is longer in time length
SBR is the longest in page length
plucky light
i was more interested in jojolion
due to the fact it was accurately drawn
and i liked the style
raven crest
Jojolion is cca 2 volumes behind SBR in length
kind owlBOT
@raven crest, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !
plucky light
hopefully araki does 2 more parts and thats the series done
analog ether
I'd be surprised if he did ONE more
plucky light
u gotta finish what u started boi
analog ether
Uh uh
plucky light
part 6 had a decent ending tbh
raven crest
1 more would be more than enough
analog ether
What's to stop him from ending it with 8?
plucky light
money
minor ore
three trilogies tbh
plucky light
trilogy yeah
tbf he might end it with part 8. isnt it like the most modern part up to date
year wise
raven crest
It's not like there's some important ongoing plot between parts that needs to be solved
Keep in mind that theme of Jojolion is Gappy fighting Joestar curse
minor ore
part 1-3: main joestar bloodline
part 4-6: still joestar but either offspring or different family name
part 7-9(?): Alternate Universe
kind owlBOT
@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 14 !
analog ether
"muh trilogy of trilogies"
No, dude, he's almost 60 and he's been doing this shit for over 35 years. It really, really wouldn't be a surprise if he stopped after Part 8. HE MIGHT NOT, I don't know, but you can't sound so sure.
minor ore
araki stays 27 forever
minor ore
yeah
anyway, of course araki might stop just after part 8
but it wouldnt be a "nice ending"
raven crest
Why
minor ore
I would have been okay with part 6 being the final part due to the universe reset
plucky light
hed be the type of guy to do it tho lmfao
minor ore
but part 8 is... "too small scale", if you can say that
plucky light
its fine if hes getting old but just dont make it a shitty ending
analog ether
That's fine
raven crest
But universe reset wasn't even supposed to happen until like 10 weeks before the end. Ocean was cancelled by Shueisha
analog ether
Actually, for a series like JoJo's, that's perfect
plucky light
id rather have a part ending
rather than a full conclusion
would be too big for a small scale thing as u said
minor ore
meh
@analog ether why is it perfect?
and @plucky light I personally prefer a good conclusion
raven crest
Because JoJo is about passing the torch to next generaton. Having an ending filled with past characters is unedded because they all got their endings
analog ether
Tbh, I don't exactly know what you mean by a nice ending
minor ore
why would you need past characters for a nice conclusion
plucky light
u dont
minor ore
get another pucci or whatever
plucky light
i think if araki is consistant with part 8 and what hes doing
doesnt he has an idea of what the finale is going to be anyway
would be safe to presume he actually knows what hes doing this time
minor ore
probably
analog ether
this time
C'mon
plucky light
part 4 was good aswell tho
plucky light
yeah
but
yeah
whats different about part 7 and 8
is that the villain is not established from the beginning
which makes it more interesting
its not trying to copy its predecessor
kira is still the best villain and ending in jojo so far
keep in mind im still reading part 7
grizzled pilot
best shounen writing is part 7 imo
plucky widget
part 7 is more seinen
plucky light
@queen fox part 5 ending was rushed
queen fox
The majority of it is Seinen
plucky light
which kinda downplayed the part
plucky widget
what do you mean it was rushed
grizzled pilot
yeah but it's written like a shounen
queen fox
That’s because Shounen Jump rushed him
raven crest
Giorno vs Diavolo was blink and you miss it
raven crest
Still a great ending though
plucky widget
for the entire colloseum arc
from the staircase to SCR to GER
its all passione vs diavolo
raven crest
I also consider it a long battle but some people don't
queen fox
SBR is almost 75% Ultra
light lion
Part 7 has some amazing writing
plucky light
manga was short with it
grizzled pilot
even so
light lion
It has my favorite arc in the whole series too
plucky widget
part 5 has amazing writing
light lion
Ringo vs Gyro
grizzled pilot
it was still written like a shounen
plucky widget
part 5 does the whole theme and execution of jojo as a whole very well
plucky widget
why would you hate it
light lion
Part 7 is the least jojo esque part
queen fox
Part 7 was struggling for almost 20 chapters but everything after is amazing
plucky light
part 5 has the most intriguing characters
light lion
No
plucky light
by far
light lion
Part 7 isnt as jojo esque as Part 3
grizzled pilot
JJL wins there imo
plucky widget
its stand fighting the president for a cross country race over the corpse of jesus christ
light lion
For example
analog ether
Intruiginh?
I'd give that to JJL
queen fox
Part 7 is the most plain part compared to part 6
plucky widget
what does "plain" mean
light lion
Plain?
light lion
What
plucky light
no topping on a pizza
plucky widget
what does "most jojo" "least jojo" mean
analog ether
sorry bro part 1 got you on the plain department
queen fox
But compared to 6
light lion
It means they follow the jojo steoreotypes way less
plucky widget
what are the jojo stereotypes
plucky light
wasnt part 1 just there because of the big muscular dude shit back in the 80s lmao
light lion
How do you not know the jojo stereotypes
analog ether
Anyone who uses JoJo as an adjective to describe the quality of part needs a better grasp of their opinions on this series.
plucky widget
^^^
grizzled pilot
it was there to give kids a cool story where big tough dudes beat eachother up
plucky widget
uh
grizzled pilot
kinda like the rest of jojo
plucky widget
part 1 isnt really that simple
plucky light
what
plucky widget
it has incredibly good relation and conflict between the lives of jotaro and dio
raven crest
You just described like 60% of media with that
light lion
Johnathon was boring af
light lion
Lmao
queen fox
We say JoJo Esque because we have nothing else to describe it to
plucky widget
fuck
plucky light
jotaro travelled back in time
plucky widget
i mean johnathan
light lion
Yeah thats true
plucky widget
johnathan was a contrast to dio
plucky light
jonathan is shit
light lion
How else would you describe jojo
grizzled pilot
jonathan RULES
queen fox
Part 7 is weird but not part 6 weird
analog ether
Bizarre
plucky widget
ok
analog ether
But is it part 8 weird?
queen fox
Fuck ya
light lion
Part 7 isnt even bizarre in nature, its just bizzarre in how fucking insane the plot is
queen fox
First chapter and we see a nice guy
plucky widget
part 7 is about a cripple who can learn to use his legs with spinning metal balls and an italian fighting the president and his assasins over the corpse of jesus christ through a cross country horse race
thats incredibly fucking bizzare
raven crest
Nothing is Jorge weird
queen fox
Baked*
plucky widget
and 6? and 5? and 4 an
queen fox
It’s still not part 6 levels
plucky light
araki saw prison break
plucky widget
i would give that to part 6
plucky light
and made part 6
analog ether
I would give that to part 8
light lion
Peak jojo is Part 7 tho
queen fox
Depends on how 8 ends really
light lion
Part 8 is peak artstyle
plucky light
^
light lion
Not story
kind owlBOT
@light lion, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !
plucky widget
no way dude
raven crest
Part 7 is peak
plucky widget
part 6 is fucking crazy
light lion
Part 7 is definitely peak
queen fox
Part 8 is way funner to read imo
plucky light
^
light lion
Thats cause it isnt as serious
plucky light
^
light lion
As a Part 7
analog ether
Part 6 is definitely creative, but, I don't think that's entirely to it's own benefits at time
Not naming any names
queen fox
Part 7 just dragged at times
analog ether
raven crest
Say for yourself but Part 7 gripped me way more than any other
plucky light
zeppelli is fucking awesome so far
light lion
Way better than any other part
raven crest
Only late Part 6 comes close in gripping me
light lion
It has amazing details to the father and son relationships of the main characters, which shape who they end up becoming later on as adults
Bc of their dads and how they got treated
plucky widget
you could say the same about part 1
plucky light
part 1 was deadass
plucky widget
you absolutely could
light lion
But a bit
raven crest
I just prefer it over others because IMO it works the best as a package
light lion
Like dio shaped johnathan way more than george ever did
plucky widget
what do you mean by that
as if gyro didnt shape johnny? have an influence on his life?
plucky light
jonathan let dio use the mask
plucky widget
you could say the same about part 6 and pucci and weather's connection to his family
analog ether
It had more freedom to write about whatever it wanted in comparison to any previous part
It allowed it's characters to have a bit less defined morals
It made more than just a few characters (especially side ones) not 1 dimensional.
Character relationships, goals, personalites were given more development.
light lion
Part 7 has the best side characters too
plucky widget
give me some examples of one dimensional characters
plucky light
jonathan
light lion
Johnathan
analog ether
Keep, in mind, I don't find any of this to be EXPONENTIALLY better than previous parts, but it's an improvament
plucky widget
johnathan is more than just being "good"
light lion
Sometimes
plucky widget
the point of johnathan and dios relationship isnt for them to just
light lion
But most of the time
plucky light
hes just there to stop dio
light lion
Not really
plucky widget
be seen as characters on their own
analog ether
I could name 70% of part 3 minor villains, would that do?
light lion
Part 3 was villain of the week lol
plucky light
part 4 was mental issue stands of the week
plucky widget
"It allowed it's characters to have a bit less defined morals
It made more than just a few characters (especially side ones) not 1 dimensional.
Character relationships, goals, personalites were given more development."
this is all true for 5
plucky widget
what extent
plucky light
@light lion ^^^
plucky widget
a nosedive?
light lion
But we got 7 and 8 right after
plucky widget
what makes you say that
plucky light
no part 6 was not a nosedive
plucky widget
what makes you say that
plucky widget
what about the story was lackluster
light lion
And i personally just dont like the setting at all
plucky light
story was good
light lion
Foo fighters was kinda bland and I wasnt a huge fan of the plot either, but the plot is still good
plucky widget
what makes foo fighters feel bland
plucky light
what about the dude who kept comitting suicide as his stand lmao
light lion
I'd probably say the lack of intensity
plucky light
thats a memorable ass one
analog ether
Characters weren't AS fleshed out in part 5 as they were in Part 7
Again, I'm not saying it's a MAJOR upgrade, but it's certainly an updgrade.
Also, I don't find part 5 to be very gray moraly tbh. Even if they all are violent thugs, saying that any of the part 5 cast weren't good people, cept MAYBE Fugo is a stretch.
plucky widget
almost all of passione has the same beliefs that johnny has
that the ends justify the means
light lion
I mean Johnny is a fucking asshole till he sees Gyro practically die in front of him
kind owlBOT
@light lion, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !
cyan viper
I enjoy part 5,but i feel like i cant get any personality out of Gio
plucky widget
thats the "morally grey" part about him
gio has a personality, you have to look past surface value
plucky light
johnny got paralised for a reason
analog ether
That's LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF THE THEME OF PART 5 I'M SHAKING
cyan viper
And that is?
plucky widget
what
analog ether
It's not about the results
plucky light
for being an asshole
analog ether
The ends DON'T Justify the means
analog ether
That was the whole point!
plucky widget
im using giorno as an example
his dio side has him believe that he can be ruthless if it is justified
while his johnathan side works against that
giorno, at the start, is a risky, dumbass kid
plucky light
giornos character was kinda thrown out the window
plucky widget
he puts too much trust in his stand
and risks the lives of his team again and again for it
plucky light
he shouldve kept those qualities from the start
plucky widget
what qualities are you talking about
light lion
Agree or disagree: Diego is a more interesting and better villain than dio
cyan viper
yea, he was
plucky widget
disagree
analog ether
Ruthless and ambitous, yes, but he wasn't willing to do ANYTHING to achieve his goals if it meant compromising his moral code. Would Giorno harm innocent civillains to get his dream? Fuck no.
plucky widget
hard disagree
light lion
I can see both sides
plucky widget
dio has more character and development that diego ever had. the only thing diego has going for him is his sad backstory and that hes a dick.
light lion
Diego is a grimey fuck tho
plucky widget
the fact that he could regrow limbs was a growing moment for his character
his character changed because of that
analog ether
I do like that a main character is a supporting one instead of a powrful one
cyan viper
I find DIO more interesting because we kind of see his growth to evil, and all the side-missions he has been doing before the Jotaro fight
plucky widget
thats what resulted in the entire team almost losing
plucky widget
?
plucky light
requiem
plucky widget
but he still had to put his trust in his teammates
light lion
Diego has a way better character design than dio tho
plucky light
@analog ether i do agree in that
plucky widget
giorno, before then, is head on
plucky widget
DIODIODIODIODIODIO
light lion
Lmao
plucky widget
the entire colleseum fight is not about giorno working alone
plucky light
giorno is still a good kid
analog ether
HE'S A GOOD BOY, DINDU NUFFIN
plucky widget
he works together with the full team of passione, using all of them for their potential
plucky light
id use the excuse he was just blending in with the gang
plucky widget
blending in?
plucky light
so he wouldnt fuck up
cyan viper
Although i was suprised when i saw The World Alternate Universe, even though i was expecting it
kind owlBOT
@cyan viper, Your Stand Power is now level 8 !
plucky widget
as if he didnt have any relationships between them?
plucky light
as in
light lion
The World AU is nuts too
plucky light
his character immediately changed
plucky light
so he wouldnt be suspected
analog ether
He was less playful.
light lion
Giorno isnt an anti hero like johnny tho
plucky light
but that excuse is to be undercover
plucky widget
johnny is hardly an anti hero
plucky widget
the most "anti hero" he gets is believing the ends justify the means
cyan viper
Idk, i just cant find any defying characteristic in Gio, not saying that i hate him or anything
light lion
He quite literally wanted to let Gyro die in order to get his legs fixed
plucky light
giorno is pretty bland as a MAIN character
light lion
Thats anti hero af
analog ether
But you can see that playful Giorno character come back when ever he fights an enemy
There's always a thin viel of smug behind every encounter with an enemy
plucky light
@analog ether his fights are always the best
plucky widget
his defining characteristic is that he develops from a risky, dumbass kid to someone who has to learn that he cant put all of his trust in himself
plucky light
which expresses him
light lion
A main character would never let his best friend die