#jojolion

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fleet pier
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heaven is peace of mind

knotty mango
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But that could still be the reason why

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Or any number of reasons

fleet pier
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like what

knotty mango
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Pucci could always see

fleet pier
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why would you think that

knotty mango
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Why would you assume that kc can do that

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Time standa

fleet pier
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I'm not

knotty mango
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Its never said

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Or even implied

fleet pier
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the seeing in time thing was a theory that i stopped talking about a while ago

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I'm talking about affecting stopped time now

knotty mango
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Yeah

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Just because muh can

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Mih

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Doesnt mean kc can

fleet pier
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and you haven't given an actual valid reason why not

knotty mango
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You have to give a reason why

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Not me

fleet pier
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i kinda already did

knotty mango
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Burden of proof buddy

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Why is time stand the connection you choose

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Araki never says it

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Its never implie

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D

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Well

fleet pier
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because people can make theories

knotty mango
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Guess ita because it's a time stand

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Yeah

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Theories need proof

fleet pier
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I've given you proof

knotty mango
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No you havent

fleet pier
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you just don't like it

knotty mango
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Then repeat it

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And if you have said proof it was

fleet pier
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king crimson can affect time stop because made in heaven can accelerate time stop, showing that time related powers can affect each other

knotty mango
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Mih is time stand it can affect stopped time kc is a time stand gh us it can see in see in stopped time

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Nice jump

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Affect

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Not see

fleet pier
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ok I'm sorry but I cannot understand you at all

knotty mango
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Just because muh can affect it doesnt mean kc can

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Just because they are both time stands

fleet pier
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🤷

knotty mango
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That's a big ass jump

fleet pier
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not really

knotty mango
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I forgot where I put my pants

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Thus

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My pants were moved in stopped time

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See?

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That's the jump your doing

fleet pier
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no it's not?

knotty mango
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Yes it is

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You cant say just because they are both time stands

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And mih affects timestop

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So does erased time

fleet pier
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there's no reason it can't though

knotty mango
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Have you ever heard of burden of proof

fleet pier
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have you ever heard of just disagreeing with someone for no reason

knotty mango
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No

fleet pier
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shocking

knotty mango
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I'm having a debate about why kc cant beat him

fleet pier
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I'm not debating that

knotty mango
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And you have never heard of burden of proof apparently

fleet pier
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dio wins because vampirism

knotty mango
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This is a mini point between that

fleet pier
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i agreed on that a long time ago

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it's the specifics

knotty mango
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And this is dio without vampirism

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Dio wins

fleet pier
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so jotaro

knotty mango
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Basically yeah

knotty mango
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He wins

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Meit wow

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Meti

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Ofc

fleet pier
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meti is one of the 3 good jojo YouTubers

knotty mango
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That video uses the same point

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I like him yeah

grand tangle
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haven’t seen that one

knotty mango
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This video was bull

grand tangle
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but meti’s usually pretty good about stuff

knotty mango
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It used the same points as everyone else

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Which I have disproved

grand tangle
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i really don’t think you have though

knotty mango
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Yes I have lmao

grand tangle
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your explanation makes no sense, no offense

knotty mango
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Alright

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Again I go

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10 seconds before

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He sees dio pose

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Then him get donuted

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He erases time

fleet pier
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hold up

kind owlBOT
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@fleet pier, Your Stand Power is now level 6 !

knotty mango
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But it already happened

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So he moves over

fleet pier
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dio without vampirism means he doesn't have the 10 second time stop

knotty mango
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Yeah

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So

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He still has the time to donut him

fleet pier
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max of 5 seconds then

knotty mango
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Ye

fleet pier
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just a note

knotty mango
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Kk

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But the donut already happened in stopped time

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Which kc cant affect

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He moves over

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But is still donuted in stopped timw

grand tangle
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so it actually destroys a timeline and creates a new one

knotty mango
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Yeah

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So

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Dio donute him in stopped time

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Then diavalo moves over instantly in dios eyes

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But he was donuted in erased time which he cant affect

grand tangle
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everyone does what they would have done in that 10 seconds

knotty mango
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Mhm

grand tangle
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but diavolo doesn’t have to

knotty mango
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But time stop is different

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Kc cant affect time stop

grand tangle
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of course it can

knotty mango
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Nothing but time stop can

grand tangle
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time stop fits in 10 seconds

knotty mango
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Your proof?

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Nah time is stopped

grand tangle
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dio doesn’t move fast in time stop, he just stops time

knotty mango
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You cant erase 0 seconds ds

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Exactly

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It happens literally instantly

grand tangle
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a second is just a unit of measurement made up by people

fleet pier
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do you have any proof that time erase can't affect time stop

knotty mango
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Do you have proof that it can

fleet pier
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do you have proof that it can't

grand tangle
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the time stoppage fits within the 10 seconds

knotty mango
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Ever heard of burden of proof buddy

fleet pier
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you actually brought this up before my point

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i think you should prove your point first

grand tangle
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it’s not that it can’t be deleted because it isn’t a second

knotty mango
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Time stoppage is 0 seconds

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Your the one assuming somethibg

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You have to prove it

fleet pier
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I'm asking about your point

knotty mango
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Which obe

grand tangle
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it’s that as an event that takes place during a period of 10 seconds, it can be deleted by kc

fleet pier
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remove my argument from the equation

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prove your point

grand tangle
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there’s my proof

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now where’s yours

knotty mango
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It's not an event

fleet pier
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it's an event

grand tangle
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of course it’s an event

knotty mango
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Nope it happens in 0 seconds

grand tangle
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dio doesn’t delete time

fleet pier
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it's an event that only dio experiences

grand tangle
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^

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but it still fits in 10 seconds

fleet pier
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it doesn't happen in "0 seconds", it happens "between" seconds, in a way

knotty mango
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No that isnt time stop

fleet pier
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that's what time stop is

knotty mango
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Time has literally stopped

grand tangle
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see the 10 second time loop is instant, but it’s still placed inside the 10 second interval

knotty mango
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And things still happen in erased time even if you are right

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See bucci

fleet pier
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things don't happen in erased time

grand tangle
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yeah, they do

fleet pier
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see aerosmith's bullets

grand tangle
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well

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they do and they don’t

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they complete their course without doing anything

knotty mango
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Araki has made a couple plot holes with that

grand tangle
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as if kc and diavolo were incorporeal

knotty mango
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Mhm

grand tangle
knotty mango
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But the official explanation is that they still happen

grand tangle
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but then they’re undone

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epitaph covers when the actions happen

knotty mango
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Nah the effects remain

fleet pier
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the effects remain but the actions don't happen

grand tangle
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kc covers deleting that period of time

knotty mango
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Yeah so he still gets donutes

grand tangle
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so dio would donut the air where diavolo would have been if he hadn’t used kc

fleet pier
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except aerosmith's bullets

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they passed through him

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diavolo could be seen as intangible during erased time

grand tangle
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with aerosmith’s bullets, kc deleted the ten seconds when narancia was shooting, during which he dodged the bullets and went back

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from everyone else’s perspective, it looks like the bullets just went straight through him

fleet pier
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no

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he says he erased 0.5 seconds

grand tangle
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then the same concept still applies

fleet pier
grand tangle
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imagine time as a kickball. kc pops the kickball so that diavolo can mess with it while he can see the entire surface of the ball at once

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then, he unpops the ball, with the changes intact

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there’s more to it than that

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but that’s how the time part of it works

knotty mango
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That's a bit of a pothole then

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Because buccelatir

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Shows that he can still be damaged if he erases that time

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With that example

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Kc pops it no one nut him sees he pops it while he pops it

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Then after the ten seconds

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Its popped

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Magically

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Buccilati fight

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I'm choosing this because it is literally the reveal

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And the dio counting th air

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Donuting

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Would only happen if

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He can affect time stop

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Which there is no evidence for

fleet pier
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Shows that he can still be damaged if he erases that time

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what

knotty mango
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Yes

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He also gets cut in erased time

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Later

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I dont remember when

fleet pier
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are you talking about when buccelati did the zipper arm thing

knotty mango
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Yeah

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That's a bot difderen

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You right

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But

fleet pier
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that hit him before he erased time

knotty mango
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He still gets cut in erased time

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Later

fleet pier
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i know he cuts himself at one point

knotty mango
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Which isnt any different

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Also pol pol

fleet pier
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it kinda is

knotty mango
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Uts him

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Cuts him

fleet pier
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can you post the page you're referring to

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or link it

hoary elbow
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popo is cute

fleet pier
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polpo is cuter

knotty mango
fleet pier
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ok i checked the chapter

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he also didn't hit him in erased time

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he hit him right after

knotty mango
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Didnt he?

fleet pier
knotty mango
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Well I still think he can be harmed in erased tine

fleet pier
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the only time he gets hurt during it is when he hurts himself, which could just mean he's intangible to the world around him but not himself

knotty mango
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It's better to assume that isnt an ability

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Because it isnt stated

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Or i.plied

fleet pier
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it's implied pretty clearly

knotty mango
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When

fleet pier
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aerosmith's bullets, again

hoary elbow
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but can tusk access his dimension?

fleet pier
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uhhh

knotty mango
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Yeah

fleet pier
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technically?

knotty mango
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Infinite spin can pass past anyt gh ing

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Well I guess ypu're right on he wins

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Though I still think it depends on who activates first

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Or whether or not he want to use epitaph to look into the future

hoary elbow
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well diego activated the world first and tusk still came waltzing in

knotty mango
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Mhm

fleet pier
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tusk is weird

knotty mango
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So I think tusk can bypass it

hoary elbow
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dang tusk io

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op

fleet pier
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act 4 with infinite spin just... exists. throughout all universes and apparently time

knotty mango
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Araki said he would win

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Againsy kc

hoary elbow
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yeah it's just really hard to pull off

knotty mango
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Appeared

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Appearntly

fleet pier
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link?

knotty mango
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Kc vs star platinum

fleet pier
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never heard of this before

knotty mango
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He said star platinum would win against anything

fleet pier
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well uh

knotty mango
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Not against kc specifically

fleet pier
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he didn't

hoary elbow
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he did i think

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its cuz SP has copy powers

knotty mango
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I dont think hes counting evolved stands

fleet pier
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made in heaven, he died

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also ummm, what

knotty mango
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Yeah I dont think hes counting evolved stands

fleet pier
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SP doesn't have copy powers

knotty mango
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He said it in a Interview

hoary elbow
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part 3, copies the world. EoH, copies dio over heaven

fleet pier
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EoH isn't canon

knotty mango
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That's only one canon time

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And time stop was implie

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F

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D

fleet pier
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also jane there's one discrepancy i want to specify

knotty mango
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John

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Gender bend day

fleet pier
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@knotty mango i think araki was specifically talking about star platinum. not jotaro

the difference being that star platinum has incredible potential, but jotaro is a very merciful person, and also just a person at that. he has limits. and this limited person is the one controlling star platinum

knotty mango
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I guess

fleet pier
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if star plat didn't need a user, then yes, he would never ever lose

knotty mango
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Then dio would win I suppose

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But I mean that's your interpretation

fleet pier
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dio wouldn't but the world possibly could

knotty mango
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He says jotaro would win

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No star plat

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Yeah

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He says star plat

fleet pier
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well you said star plat earlier

knotty mango
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Yeah

fleet pier
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I'm gonna need to look for this interview

knotty mango
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He says star plat

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I have a link

hoary elbow
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when was it tho

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like if its right after part 3 its understandable

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because remember, without josuke, jotaro would've died to a rat

knotty mango
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Around 4 40

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@fleet pier

rich depot
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Oh so he "doesn't remember"

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We know your secrets Araki

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You're a jihadi japanese vampire mangaka who seeks to destroy the world.

minor ore
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Or maybe he's just a vampire that wants to cure depression with jojo

crystal patrol
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Bruh

kind owlBOT
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@crystal patrol, Your Stand Power is now level 6 !

crystal patrol
cosmic frost
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are we going to see anything dio related in jojolion????

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i hope so

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we got kira doing the wryyyyyy cry

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but thats it

hoary elbow
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gappy is so fucking cute and hot

stone turret
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main vilian where

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its obv jobin tho

minor ore
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Obviously not

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Are you even caught up

knotty mango
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Its the head doctoor lol

white beacon
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And if not the head doctor, Tooru and Kaato still exist

stone turret
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does norisuke catch an L or not

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i just got spoiled

crystal patrol
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This is how cool kids walk to school

knotty mango
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Ican neither confirmwhether or not ā€œhe takes an lā€

dense spoke
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I walk like that

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Ez

pearl wave
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None of us can confirm it

grand tangle
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i recently started jojolion and it’s very straight

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like it’s very hetero

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i don’t like it

grizzled pilot
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biggest card against it for sure but otherwise its top tier

brazen niche
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Why is the gallardo only 3M yen

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what the shit

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Where can I get one for that price, let alone a gold one

rich depot
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I like how people are saying the Hospital Boss is the main villain but who is the one currently in possession of the new rokakaka and probably manipulated Tsuguri to kill his own grandpa

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šŸ¤”

brazen niche
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Was the Gallardo price a mistake on whoever translated the manga, or was it the price shown in Japanese too?

white beacon
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We actually don't know who manipulated Tsurugi, it probably wasn't even him who killed Norisuke, Jobin may have the rokaka but that doesn't mean he'll be the villain in the end, some other character can literally just off him instantly. And that Kaato would do anything to protect her son, even if her son is Jobin

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And, seeing as how Akefu Satoru was nearby the school during the tsurugi incident, he has a hand at what's going on too

acoustic ocean
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Is Norisuke actually dead tho?

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I thought he is alive

void viper
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We don’t know

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He seems pretty dead though

acoustic ocean
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I thought he might be unconscious but not dead

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What if he saved tsurugi

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By getting rock illness and dying

hollow citrus
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I just read the morioh 1901 chapter

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why did our boi Johnny have to die

cold sphinx
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aids

grand tangle
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i thought it was rock disease

kind owlBOT
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@grand tangle, Your Stand Power is now level 7 !

cold sphinx
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rock aids

white beacon
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the Stone Aids

deep jacinth
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If he was still alive in jojolion wouldn’t he be like 140 though

white beacon
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Yes

deep jacinth
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ok

kind owlBOT
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@deep jacinth, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

sacred totem
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wonder which part they're gonna do an alt world version of next

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I hope 6

white beacon
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Isn't that kinda SBR tho cuz it takes place in america? And kinda part 8 cuz it takes place in 2011 and has a prison names Stone Ocean?

sacred totem
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well SBR was alt part 1 and 8 was alt part 4

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with bits of other parts thrown in

white beacon
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I mean, the only alt part1 in sbr is the spin and the characters, while the setting is kinda part 6

sacred totem
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the only reason the setting is part 6 is because it takes place in america

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part 6 was just in prison and florida

white beacon
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And part8 isn't simply alt part4 because the main enemy in it kinda alludes more to part5

sacred totem
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How do?

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So*

deep jacinth
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I’d imagine it’ll be an alt jolyne because I don’t know who else would work

sacred totem
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yea

rich depot
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Or maybe Araki will make an original character

white beacon
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Their going up against an entire organization, two waves of enemies from said organization. Stopping them from smuggling a harmful substance, and that the head of the organization has his own special team. Also that the said head of the organization is like a total enigma to everyone else

sacred totem
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damn

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But are they aren't italian

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boom

white beacon
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Johnny isn't british, but do you count him as part of alt part1?

sacred totem
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well you see

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Johnny's nails can shoot themselves

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would you consider him a nail gun?

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yes, yes you would because that's what he is

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a construction tool

fleet pier
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Johnny might not be British but he's a clear parallel to jonathan

sacred totem
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but in all seriousness it's more so the fact that most of the main characters are related in name to those of part 1 and also what El Jefe said

fleet pier
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nemesis = dio, who he loses to
pet named Danny
not a great relationship with his father
learns some ancient magical technique from an Italian man which is essential for the rest of the part

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and most likely a lot more, because my memory is pretty awful

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||and also don't you guys rember when Jonathan wouldnt have his honeymoon with erina until she fuckin bathed in mosquitos||

minor ore
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Holy shit I didn’t even realize the Danny reference

sacred totem
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wait what?

minor ore
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Went right over my head

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That’s awesome

sacred totem
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ohhh you mean johnny

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ty for pointing out the danny thing too by the way

fleet pier
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šŸ‘

sacred totem
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danny was the mouse right?

fleet pier
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yeah the mouse

minor ore
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Johnny is a shit human

sacred totem
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damn

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but we love him

minor ore
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Me too

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Might be my favorite jojo

fleet pier
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he's good

minor ore
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but then literal trees kill him

fleet pier
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not my personal favorite but he's not a bad choice

sacred totem
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trees?

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ohhhh

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that

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fuckin trees

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that was such a good arc

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I loved johnny's sacrifice

rich depot
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Imagine defeating Funny Valentine just to be killed by a tree

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Being Johnny is pain

sacred totem
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wait hold on

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what are you talking about

minor ore
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The corpse fucked the fam

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The curse

sacred totem
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with the sugar mountain?

minor ore
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In JJL

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Wait, have you read Jojolion

white beacon
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What I meant to say was how could the danny thing go over anyone's head? It's literally one of the main reasons for johnny's guilt

sacred totem
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i read jojolion

minor ore
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I just was reading along and my head never really hit me that both of them are named danny

sacred totem
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but when was the tree

white beacon
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Shakedown Road

sacred totem
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oh that

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i never understood how that worked

rich depot
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Leaves man

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Leaves

sacred totem
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ok

fleet pier
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snails man

rich depot
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They do crazy things when stands move ya back and forth

fleet pier
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snails

minor ore
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Wait i thought johnny got crushed under a rock

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What is this tree

supple totem
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johny sacrificed himself to rescue his son

sacred totem
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ohhh yea

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him getting crushed by a rock was a cover up

long flax
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yeah

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They covered up his body with a rock

pearl wave
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Hot take, I hope Joubin isn't main antagonist because I hate the way speed king looks

minor ore
kind owlBOT
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@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

brittle blade
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lol I just found the site where the untranslated colored jojo volumes go

soft raptor
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I am a rock

fleet pier
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i am an iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

pearl wave
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Pretty sure it's top one

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yeah, first one

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that was his initial appearance, but of course araki went and changed it

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his first appearance looked a lot better tbh

brittle blade
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I am uhmmmm

fleet pier
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foreshadowing of World War 2

brittle blade
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damn I cut the part out where he said that he's talking about Norisuke

deep jacinth
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i was expecting norisuke to be involved in tsurugi getting the rock disease but i guess not

brazen niche
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Why did the Gold Gallardo only cost 3M yen

mild jewel
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What's the difference between Doggystyle and Stone Free?

balmy tartan
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fuckin

brazen niche
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Was it just a translation error? Has to be

balmy tartan
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do y'all think jojolion will ever get its shit together

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based on the length of other parts it should be over sometime soon right?

deep jacinth
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these doctors are gonna be the last group of stand users

brazen niche
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I guess nobody knows. Ah well

balmy tartan
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araki should write shit down

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so he doesn't get lost in the sauce

knotty veldt
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does part 8 have a main villain yet

deep jacinth
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nope

rocky charm
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All of that "Araki forgot stuff" reminds me of that Joseph Fink tweet where he said he googles "Welcome to Nightvale characters" when he has to write a big episode

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Because even he doesn't know what the fuck's going on

brazen niche
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Well, what do you expect from somebody who think a gold Lamborghini costs 30,000USD?

rocky charm
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Is that low or high idk cars

brazen niche
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an average car is in that price range. A normal Gallardo would be 20M+ Yen A golden one, Over 800 Million Yen. It's a massive difference between 800 Million & 3 Million. in USD, Normal gallardo - 200k. Golden one - 7.5 Million.

minor ore
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I don't get the jojolion hate these days

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The part is wrapping up in a few more chapters

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And shit just got real after that tsurugi twist

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But people still complain that it's too "unfocused" or too long

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Define few lul

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I think we have 1 more arc to go

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Or if this one is the last then it's gonna be long af

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Kinda like d4c

summer tree
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I think it's cause there's so much Araki isn't talking about for some reason

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Lik Daiya

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And Kyo

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And the wall eyes

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And the bite marks

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Or Sakunami

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Or Kaato

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Or the blonde man

void viper
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The blond man?

summer tree
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During early Jojolion, around Fun Fun Fun, Gappy gets a memory of a blonde man who we've yet to see

minor ore
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Guy from the flashback i assume

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Most say he's just an early concept for Jobin/Damo

white beacon
#

Wait who's sakunami?

void viper
#

my guess is that it’s damo

summer tree
minor ore
#

Karera

#

@white beacon

summer tree
#

Love Love Deluxe girl

void viper
#

Given how involved he was with kira’s and josefumis deaths, it would make sense that he would be one of the first people josuke remembers

#

Although now that I know what he looks like I’m tempted to say jobin

long flax
#

Im tempted to say retconn

summer tree
#

Also how Josefumi has the Joestar birthmark, that's another one

long flax
#

Isnt that already answered?

white beacon
#

Ah, I forgot what karera's surname was lol

summer tree
#

As far as I know, no we do not know how Josefumi is a Joestar

void viper
#

That’s probably been retconned

summer tree
white beacon
#

"Retcon" means that there is later evidence that goes against what was established, so unless we see a new josefumi memory without a star birthmark, then that ain't a retcon

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And like, doesn't the josefumi birthmark thing appear after the new joestar family tree was shown? If araki isn't going to answer about the birthmark, I'd say he purposely left it that way to imply josefumi came from one of the branches, though we might not know which

summer tree
#

Probably, but still an answer would be nice

void viper
#

Josefumi is jobins older son 😳😳😳😳

white beacon
#

Isn't that tsurugi?

crystal patrol
#

Jobin is too young to have a son as old as Josefumi

#

Right?

white beacon
#

Yeah, if we take into account Josuke's assumed age as the age of Josefumi, then he'd be 19

minor ore
#

Wait guys i think i know the answer

#

So the sbr book gives a family tree with all the legitimate children, but we know in og universe joseph had an affair.
Therefore maybe a joestar in this universe had an illegitimate child from an affair too, and that child is josefumi, notice how he has the same hair as josuk4

#

Bam theory confirmed

summer tree
#

That's not too far fetched honestly

minor ore
#

And his mom is young and hot

crystal patrol
#

Holy fuck

#

That actual makes sense

grizzled pilot
#

araki has always been good at keeping the joestar bloodline sorted out. i'm sure josefumi will be explained

crystal patrol
#

But will Araki say that by the end of Jojolion is the question?

#

Yee I hope so

#

Please Araki don’t forget

white beacon
#

I'm not against the josefumi being an illegitimate child thing, but like, araki only did that for josuke cuz there was basically no other way other than an affair, or adoption, but affair

#

While this bloodline already has multiples of branches where josefumi coulda came from, personally, it'd be a dumb thing to just say he's an illegitimate son when like, there's family branches unexplored

summer tree
#

I mean Araki could have just skippd into Jotaro's child if he wanted but went the unique route of it

#

Granted this allowed for interesting relations to come out of it

#

UNLIKE GIORNO BOI

crystal patrol
#

That’s the one thing I’m sad about with Giorno

#

Could’ve been some cool developments coming from the fact that he’s Dio and Jonathan’s son

#

But back on Jojolion

#

What unexplored branches are you talking about Jan?

white beacon
#

Like joseph's siblings, george2's sibling

crystal patrol
#

Ah

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Fair, but eh, that’s assuming that they had siblings

#

In this universe

white beacon
#

But...they really did....in the family tree in the book.....

summer tree
#

Literally why does Giorno keep a picture of DIO in his wallet
Why does it matter to him
What's his emotional attachment to the father he never met
GIORNO TELL ME YOUR FEELINGS STOP BEING A MYSTERIOUS AND WISE FUCK

white beacon
#

I bet giorno keeps a framed picture of dio on the desk beside his bed, or in his office

grizzled pilot
#

i think, that DIO is someone he wanted to meet

#

he doesn't have a great home life and he doesn't get along with his stepfather

#

we don't know about his relationship with his mother but she was never a spectacular parent either

summer tree
#

well too bad we never got to see him talk about it cause he is literally one of the least emotional Jojos

grizzled pilot
#

he's a neglected child

#

like. of course he has emotional issues

#

i don't know if his mother would have told him anything about DIO. or if she even really knew anything

summer tree
#

Yeah but he keeps a wallet picture

#

I just want like Giorno and like Bruno just fucking like

grizzled pilot
#

but, i think he keeps her picture of him because the guy in the picture is someone else he thinks he might be happier meeting or living with

summer tree
#

"HEY GIORNO WHAT'S THAT IN YOUR WALLET"

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"WELL IT'S MY BIOLOGICAL DAD AND [GOES ON EMOTIONAL TANGENT]"

grizzled pilot
#

yeah

minor ore
#

I mean that may just be it

#

He may want to keep something from the father that abandoned him

#

I don’t think it’s deeper then that

grizzled pilot
#

it's sorta his escape, i think

#

he wants to meet this other guy he's related to. he can't be worse than his mother, right?

summer tree
grizzled pilot
#

but gio has his own ambitions and when he finds an opprotunity, he takes it, and so he and buccellati go spend the week taking over the local mafia

minor ore
#

I Wish jotaro met gio

grizzled pilot
#

yeah i wish giorno got to meet the rest of his family

#

i think DIO would have been very happy to meet giorno, actually

summer tree
#

You know I know people like the whole

#

"How Standalone Part 5 is"

#

But I really don't

#

Besides little appearances from Jotaro, a fight with Koichi, the climax with Polnareff and the origin of the stand arrows, the majority of the part has nothing connecting much

#

I mean yeah Giorno is DIO's son but that's barely explored

#

And like

#

Come on

#

The Zeppelis are Italian

#

CAESAR HAD 4 SIBLINGS

minor ore
#

Every part besides 6 is independent honestly, they fill you in on the important stuff at the beginning

grizzled pilot
#

agreed, it is a bit of a tease

summer tree
#

WHERE ARE MY ZEPPELIS ARAKI

grizzled pilot
#

every part is independant

#

6 probably the least so but still

summer tree
#

Yeah but in the cases of Parts 2-4, there's a character from the previous part with them in the main cast

#

Or at least a non Jojo character related to a previous character, like Caesar

grizzled pilot
#

previous parts give a little background information about a couple characters and that dio guy. whatever

summer tree
#

Like come on just make one of Bruno's crew a Zeppeli

#

Bruno Zeppeli
Guido Zeppeli
Leone Zeppeli
Panacottq Zeppeli
Narancia Zeppeli

minor ore
#

Part 4 is like "these are stands, i'm your nephew and you're a bastard, btw your town stinks let's have a new adventure"

grizzled pilot
#

that janitor was caesar's brother

summer tree
#

WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE EVERY CHARACTER A ZEPPELI HUH

grizzled pilot
#

he died so giorno could find the resolve to turn polpo's gun into a banana

minor ore
#

Nephew oops

summer tree
#

HIS NAME IS DIAVOLO ZEPPELI

grizzled pilot
#

what!!!!

summer tree
grizzled pilot
minor ore
#

His name is funny zeppeli

summer tree
#

FUCK IT THIS IS ZEPPELI'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE NOW

#

JONATHAN ZEPPELI

#

JOSEPH ZEPPELI

grizzled pilot
#

valentine is the alternate universe version of the janitor

summer tree
#

JOTARO ZEPPELI

#

JOSUKE ZEPPELI

#

GIORNO ZEPELLI

#

JOLYNE ZEPELLI

#

JOHNNY ZEPPELI

#

gappy

grizzled pilot
#

and gappy

white beacon
#

Gappeli

grizzled pilot
#

oh shit

minor ore
#

Cursed

grizzled pilot
#

really though i don't think we needed any more zeppelis

#

they become jojo's friend, die, and jojo learns something

#

it kinda gets predictable after a while

minor ore
#

They're a relic from a time when new abilities needed to be learned to progress

grizzled pilot
#

gyro was well done even if we all knew it was coming

minor ore
#

Gyro didn't even feel like a zeppeli, he felt like the main jojo

summer tree
#

I only knew it was coming cause I GOT SPOILED BY A FUCKING PEANUT

minor ore
#

He's also in every promo art

#

I got spoiled on it too and his death had 0 impact

grizzled pilot
#

charlie brown spoils jojo

summer tree
#

To specify

grizzled pilot
#

i wasn't spoiled but i was like 90% sure it was gonna happen from the first chapter

summer tree
#

I was on a Discord server

#

And talking about how I'm still watching Part 3

#

And a few people mentioned their fave characters

#

Somebody mentioned Gyro

#

And another person named "Peanut" just said

#

"Oh Gyro! I was so said when he died!"

#

And just fucking

#

I got angry

#

And they said

grizzled pilot
summer tree
#

"He was a Zeppeli, it should have been obvious"

minor ore
#

This one asshole in a fightcade lobby spoiled gappy's identity, like straight up an exposition dump explaining the event in detail

grizzled pilot
#

i mean it was, but still

#

the conversations "4 balls lol" can start

minor ore
#

I averted my eyes as soon as i could but it was already too late, i glanced upon something about a character sacrificing himself and combining with kira using a fruit

#

I challenged this chap to a duel as punishment

grizzled pilot
#

i already knew a bit about JJL when i started jojo

#

i started jojo cause JJL was ongoing and all my friends were talking about it and they made me agree to start it

minor ore
#

All i knew going in was the sailor guy had 4 balls and he was made through some kind of fruit sacrifice

grizzled pilot
#

only real reason i hadn't was cause it was so long

minor ore
#

From the start i always wanted to read jjl

#

It always captivated me

#

It's the most A E S T H E T I C part

summer tree
#

I certainly love JJL's style

#

It's so out there

grizzled pilot
#

a couple of my bros told me to just start with JJL and read the rest later :v

minor ore
#

Oof

#

It wouldn't have been so bad

#

You'd relate to gappy more

summer tree
#

Imagine how confusing that'd be lol
Like chapter 1 and the only thing you know about the protag is that he has 4 balls and bubbles are his weapon

grizzled pilot
#

that's not that confusing. i don't expect to understand it all in the first chapter

#

tho the opening is kinda weird yeah

minor ore
#

The opening is intriguing

grizzled pilot
#

i don't wanna be all "its better if you don't know whats going on" but it would still be interesting if you didn't have context from SBR or anything before

minor ore
#

The part would still be great

#

Every part is independent

#

Even jjl

grizzled pilot
#

ya

summer tree
minor ore
summer tree
#

Eh, honestly the more connections a part has to previous parts, the more I tend to enjoy it lol

#

It's a personal preference thing

minor ore
#

so

#

the manga here is heating up huh?

#

Doctor Wuu bout to kill some more fodder lmao

#

don’t mind my avi just finished volume 1 and I’m lovin’ it so far

#

got a little caught up with sekiro so I stopped for a while

minor ore
#

her legs are fucked lmao

pine sky
#

wait a second

#

her right leg looks like an ostrich's leg

#

or something idk like a bird leg

white beacon
#

She's just bending it a bit

minor ore
#

yeah now that I look at it not that bad, thought her left leg was completely reversed

rich depot
#

I mean, it's possible

#

But you'd look like a weirdo if you actually walked that way

soft raptor
#

Not in JoJo Smugechi

stone turret
mossy robin
#

Swerve on 'em.

rich depot
#

You got me

#

I only hate on Josuke's swagger because it makes me feel inadequate

stone turret
mossy robin
#

Foolish mortal.
You assume he walks?

#

It only appears as such because you cannot comprehend his movement patterns.
That of the swerve.

rich depot
#

Forgive me, father, for I have sinned.

stone turret
sacred totem
#

nice

#

Datz sum good ass walkin

#

swervein*

mossy robin
#

Good.

soft raptor
#

That would be a very nice emote

grizzled pilot
#

it's like
a
burning
sunrise

stone turret
#

Dance1Dance2 not foundDance3

brazen niche
#

I just caught up to the coloured manga. Tried reading a chapter in black and white and It's not that enjoyable anymore 😦

round dome
minor ore
mossy robin
#

Joshu best JoJo.

cosmic frost
#

did josuke lose his gap between his teeths??

#

bc i cant find it in the new chapters

minor ore
#

uhhh daiya josepHHM

chilly gazelle
#

Remember seeing joshu's ass in the Paper Moon King ark?

minor ore
#

yeah

steady badger
#

just started reading

kind owlBOT
#

@steady badger, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

steady badger
fleet pier
#

chad

worthy prawn
#

yall i just finished sbr and other than that ive watched the anime and im pretty much up to date with p5. Should i read p8 now?

kind owlBOT
#

@worthy prawn, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

mossy robin
#

Did you read Part 6?

brazen niche
#

Yeah, read part 8. It's coloured up to chapter 62 I think. After that its meh

mossy robin
#

It's colored to the "End" of Blue Hawaii.

#

Which isn't really the end of it.

#

But there are still great moments after that.

#

Ozone Baby, Doctor Wu, Mamezuki Rai.

minor ore
#

I have no problem reading black and white tbh

mossy robin
#

I just have a tougher time reading the panels and following the motion.

minor ore
#

Yeah agreed

burnt kite
#

I just fully caught up with Jojolion and goddam, Tsuguri is becoming a very dark character, I hope that panel isn't his doing

minor ore
#

I still enjoy it, but I don’t always get what happens between panels.

brazen niche
#

black and white isn't an issue.

#

its just blck and white after reading everything else coloured

#

its a big change and now the manga feels lifeless. My app says they update the coloured version every 2 weeks but there hasnt been a new chapter for it in a while

worthy prawn
#

sorry, and to answer your question i have not as i wanted to go in order for the main timeline

#

so i read 7 instead

minor ore
#

Jojolion b&w > colored

brazen niche
#

said no one ever

minor ore
#

I just did

burnt kite
#

In black and white it's near impossible to understand anything in the Doctor Wu arc

minor ore
#

The rocks in part 8 look amazing in b&w

burnt kite
#

so much shit flying

minor ore
#

Colors usually take away from the author's style

brazen niche
#

That must be why the anime is black and white too.. oh wait.

minor ore
#

Everything just looks so clean in b&w

#

Wow what an amazing comparison

brazen niche
#

Thanks.

hoary elbow
#

reading part 8 made me realize araki has no clue how to draw kids

brazen niche
#

You mean short, chubby adults?

hoary elbow
#

yiss

unkempt blade
#

is the new stand called black hole sun or something

white beacon
#

The new stand isn't called anything yet

unkempt blade
#

damn

#

i heard that it was gonna be called that

white beacon
#

That's only speculation

pearl wave
#

Thought of a cool idea for a final antagonists stand, it's short and simple, he can move anyone he can see to any other place he can see which includes their stands

#

instead of having to delete time to avoid an attack or stop time, he just moves the guy to a spot where he'd be hitting his ally instead

slender scroll
#

new chapter next week, right?

pearl wave
#

Possibly

#

at the earliest

slender scroll
#

k

white beacon
#

So mixmaster, kinda like Boogie Woogie from Jujutsu Kaisen?

rich hearth
#

So electrified RHCP except he doesn’t need electricity now woopsISip

stone venture
#

random question since I don't mind spoilers

#

is joshu as annoying as he looks like he is

minor ore
#

Not really if you pay attention to his character

brazen niche
#

yes

hoary elbow
#

joshu best jobro wym

#

let me just make this clear, the more the readers hate him, the most room for character development he has. Plus he's a good foil for the romantic aspect of part 8

brazen niche
#

tries to stab a dude because he's jealous, gets violent with the girl he feels entitled to, gropes her and tries to have sex with her, always tries to start shit with people, uses people for his own gain when he's somehow able to

#

even his family thinks he's a joke

white beacon
#

Also sexually harassed his own mother, given he doesn't believe it, so he just sexually harassed a woman, though he also doesn't think she has any right in the house, so he sexually harassed a (his understanding)trespasser

late beacon
#

šŸ¤”

white beacon
#

The fact that haato immediately blamed joshu for licking her ear, even though she has no proof, is a ways away from joshu, and joshu was busy drinking something, just shows how even his family sees him as this horrid goblin of a man

hoary elbow
#

okay okay

#

i dont respect his character

#

i respect the potential for him to improve and how his shitty personality contrasts to sweet sweet josuke

minor ore
#

As much as I hate to admit it Joshu, as a character, grew on me over the time I read

#

But I still feel as if he couldve been weaved into the story in a less redundant and a more influential way

#

However if he sorta "grows up" by the end of the journey and shapes up, then I'll take back what I said

sacred totem
#

i didn't like the Milagro man arc

#

what was that

minor ore
#

money

knotty mango
#

oh boy

#

Are you ok

#

Re

sacred totem
#

?

knotty mango
#

Twas a duwan meme

#

Duwang

sacred totem
#

oh

#

my b

minor ore
#

i am wood

sacred totem
#

never heard that one

#

the rain sounds like josuke

#

Fuck the milagro man

#

*chew

fleet pier
#

i am wood

#

stupid

knotty mango
#

Are you ok reatard

#

Was the joke i was making

#

I didnt know if you could say it but you can.

fleet pier
#

啊

minor ore
#

@sacred totem I didnt like the arc either primarily bc 1) It was too short and couldve been expanded on and 2) WTF WAD THAT SHITTY ENDING LMAOOO

#

Joshu legit just like punched him twice and the arc ends

#

It couldve been a MUCH better stand fight

sacred totem
#

yea

#

they couldve "developed his character" but nah

#

nothing really happened

#

Araki prolly wanted an arc with Joshu and halfway through he was like this shit is dumb

minor ore
#

Okay I take back everything I said about Joshu

#

WHY IS THIS DUDE OUT HERE TRYNA SUCK HIS MOMS TITTIES

#

PAUSE

sacred totem
#

oh you got to that

#

that was really fucked up

minor ore
#

Okay I would say Part 8 is my fav part but since Joshu is in it

kind owlBOT
#

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

minor ore
#

I canr

#

*cant

sacred totem
#

ye

minor ore
#

Like nothing about his character is appealing

#

Literally nothing

#

Not his clothes, not his design, not his morals, not his influence

#

Nothing

sacred totem
#

apparently he is supposed to be shit

minor ore
#

The only thing cool is his stand ability

sacred totem
#

yea

#

I fucking love his stand

#

it's so cool

minor ore
#

Like I dont get why araki added Joshu into Part 8 period

#

All he does is serve as a nuisance the whole time

sacred totem
#

to contrast Josuke?

minor ore
#

And for a split second when I thought "oh boy the mangalo arc is here its time for him to get some character development"

#

Nope

#

Lets just try and molest a 2nd woman cause why not

sacred totem
#

Araki bamboozled you

minor ore
#

Ye lol

#

But yeah

#

Also if its to contrast josuke

#

As a story element, it makes sense

#

100%

#

But its implementation is awful imo

#

It could've been done in a better way

sacred totem
#

Araki can make bad people cool

minor ore
#

Yeah

knotty mango
#

I hate joshu

minor ore
#

Joshu gets unfair hate

sacred totem
#

but he doesnt

#

unfair hate?!

#

how

minor ore
#

All of the hate is justified

#

Imo

#

Most of what he does can be explained

sacred totem
#

ok

#

Im interested

minor ore
#

How can you explain him attempting rape on 2 seperate women

#

That is not justifiable

sacred totem
#

who was the second?

minor ore
#

If I remember correctly the reason he acted so strangely with his mother is because he wanted to intentionally freak her out because he didn’t trust her

kind owlBOT
#

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 35 !

sacred totem
#

other than yasuho?

minor ore
#

He doesnt have a mental illness and he didnt grow up in a shitty environment

#

His mom

#

HIS F U C K I N G mom

#

That was his way of trying to make her explain her reasons

sacred totem
#

that wasnt rape

#

it was assault

minor ore
#

Yasuho is a bit different

#

Still fucked up

#

Regardless

sacred totem
#

yea

#

Joshu's way of making his mom speak is to assault her?

minor ore
#

Yeah there couldve been a

#

Significantly better way of going about it

#

Instead of his first instinct being like

#

There is, but that’s Joshu.

#

"Lemme undress her and try to suck her titties as a threat"

#

He jumps the gun, and doesn’t think quickly

#

It’s exaggerated because it’s a story

#

Yeah that character trait is fine on its own but like I said its implementation for Joshu isnt good

sacred totem
#

Joshu just doesnt have a reason for being an asshole

#

he just is

#

when people try to help him he shuns them

#

he is a shitty person

minor ore
#

That’s how people are sometimes

sacred totem
#

I dont know about shitty character yet because the part isnt over

minor ore
#

Yeah

#

Like if his background was really shitty like he got abused alot or didnt have a wealthy environment

#

I would understand

#

Affluenza

#

Just his personality

#

There are many reasons for him to act as he is

knotty mango
#

He’s a lil bitch for one

minor ore
#

What are some reasons for him assaulting 2 women

knotty mango
#

He’s a dong

#

He’s dong

#

Joshu leave the story

sacred totem
#

yea make Joshu fugo

#

except I like fugo

#

and fugo doesnt look like complete shit

fleet pier
#

fugo isn't a cuck

sacred totem
#

true

#

fuck joshu

#

there should be a channel just for hating Joshu

#

and maybe giorno

minor ore
#

I love Josuke tho

#

Josuke is like the most likeable JoJo, and also just a modern day JoJo

#

Even though Part 5 took place in 2001 Giorno doesnt feel "modern" if that makes any sense

sacred totem
#

Yea josuke is fucking awesome

#

he is really chill and goofy

minor ore
#

He is the goofiest Jojo thats for sure

sacred totem
#

joseph

minor ore
#

Joseph was more hot headed if anything

#

Goofy wouldnt be a good word to describe Joseph

#

He's more...

#

Satiristic

sacred totem
#

Josuke is not goofy on purpose imo

#

which is ok

#

it's more natural

#

and he has a genuine friendship with Yasuho and truly cares for her

#

which is really nice

minor ore
#

True true

#

Yeah and then he's also a fucking sociopath

#

Joseph is like Joshu but with less female assault and less failure

sacred totem
#

wat

minor ore
#

Wait actually

sacred totem
#

and joseph is likable, grows as a person, funny, charming, and just wayyyy better

minor ore
#

Nvm that similarity didnt make sense

kind owlBOT
#

@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 3 !

minor ore
#

Lmao

sacred totem
#

lmao

#

@minor ore wat u mean

#

you have my curiousity

minor ore
#

Wym

#

I might have used the wrong word

#

Why is josuke a sociopath

#

Probably

sacred totem
#

wait wym is what do you mean?

#

idk

minor ore
#

Yes

sacred totem
#

ok

#

frost explain yourself before the jury

minor ore
#

Like if you read Part 8 I dont think its physically possible to dislike Josuke

#

I think he's a pretty crazy fella

sacred totem
#

not crazy, clueless

minor ore
#

He doesn't seem to really emotionally connect to anyone besides Yasuho and maybe Norisuke

sacred totem
#

imo

minor ore
#

And he kills pretty much everyone he fights

sacred totem
#

holy shit

minor ore
#

Without hesitation

sacred totem
#

I just got an idea

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for how it works

minor ore
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He cares about Holly too nvm

sacred totem
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so Josuke is a mix of yoshikage kira and josefumi

grizzled pilot
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woah no way

sacred totem
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Josefumi never had anyone come to him and he felt lonely until kira reached out to him

minor ore
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He seems to borrow his strange emotions from Kira but they got mixed with Josefumi's and he got some sort of complex

sacred totem
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kira was driven and was willing to do anything to save holly

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he loves who ever is close

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but is willing to go to the extremes to protect them

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through his limited view of the world he believes what he is doing is right

kind owlBOT
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@sacred totem, Your Stand Power is now level 9 !

minor ore
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Gonna have to disagree with you there Frost. I think a few occasions Josuke literally asks for permission to kill his opponent. So I dont think he is a relentless killer lol

sacred totem
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and plus he only kills rock people and not to be racist but do they really count?

minor ore
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Josuke is interesting but his character doesn't get really expanded upon which is kinda sad

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It got expanded through Kira and Josefumi but he's his own person

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Agreed but from what we have seen already I think his character is really good

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Yeah he's cool

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But he has some weird mood changes

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Like he hasn't been his old goofy self since Damo

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You could say that it's because the story got more serious now

sacred totem
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yea

minor ore
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Well thats to be expected when you have 0 memories of yourself imo. I would be the same way. I wouldnt know how to feel

sacred totem
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well he has been a little quirky

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Yasuho is the only one he can trust

minor ore
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He trusts Mamezuku

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Apparently more than he trusts Yasuho

sacred totem
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and yasuho portrays herself onto Josuke as a way to empower herself (this idea isnt very fleshed out)

minor ore
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šŸ˜‚

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IKR

sacred totem
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my idea that is

minor ore
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THAT WAS SO WASTED

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Her mother mentioned it once

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And it was never brought up

sacred totem
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?

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her suicidal shit

minor ore
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Jojolion could've fleshed out its characters a bit more but then it just got villain of the week

sacred totem
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?