#jojolion

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pearl wave
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The kid that got scratched by the iron gate crushing her is the true villain of part 8

hushed rover
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Holy shit you’re right

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i just got to the year 2088 and the finale of jojolion reveals that

minor ore
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i mean the final villain was revealed

hushed rover
pearl wave
minor ore
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this part has 1-2 yrs at best left

pearl wave
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I'd say it'll be closer to 2

minor ore
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it's perfectly possible to predict the song rn

pearl wave
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well I mean, it could go over 2 yrs....

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who's to say it's only going to be a little over 100 chapters

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could be stone ocean 2

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Araki is only warming up, 200 chapters

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Seamlessly combines part 8 and what would be 9 into one part

knotty mango
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Jojolion feels like it has more shonen cliches than the last parts

pearl wave
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Nothing but bravado in those eyes

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unfeeling, unthinking

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Now that, is posture

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Has any other Shonen boi takin such a powerful stance

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Gappy looks like he's packing a full 6 inches

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and he wants her to know

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he wants Us to know

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He's showing the viewer who's in charge in this viewer and viewed relationship

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He's gonna do what he wants, and you're damn right you're gonna watch

rich hearth
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every time i close my eyes

dense spoke
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This is where jojo starts to be romantic music playing something else

soft raptor
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Fun fun fun was an aight stand

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But the fight itself was interesting

brittle blade
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Ia there anyone here who was reading the manga before 2011?

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Yeah the fun fun fight was finna woke

coral hatch
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i think gigguk did

brittle blade
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I just wanted to ask how is it to exoerience a part shift

minor ore
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I think there are people that read it from the very first part lol

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And they are probably old as Araki

knotty mango
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Its very popular in japan so yeah

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Even before the anime

minor ore
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The oldest jojo meme video I could find was a decade old

grizzled pilot
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i got jojo meme flash animations from like 2005

supple totem
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if the head doctor had the ability of pocket dimensions, how would it work?🤔

minor ore
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Bad

pale moon
minor ore
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If Josuke’s Soft and Wet can take things, like eyesight, could it perhaps take someone’s stand like white snake?

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Or am I stupid

minor ore
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Obviously not

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Oh oof. I had a dream about it last night it made me t h o n k. Thank you

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i cant poop

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tfw

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ur

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constipated

white beacon
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Pretty sure kaato's stand already works as pocket dimensions @ big lad

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And theoretically, s/w could steal stands too if the ability develops more

minor ore
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Stands are big lads i doubt they'll fit in a bubble

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Plus it'll make gappy op as hell

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Gappy could save Hato from vitamin c with his bubbles so Stands wouldn't be that far of a stretch

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In the sense of transporting it, not in the sense of stealing stands

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Can gappy use soft and wet to transport his cummies when he's deep inside joshu

summer tree
pearl wave
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Soft and wet fit into one of california king beds chess pieces

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plus, part 3 had stands shrink...

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stands aint gotta be big at all

minor ore
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Part 3 is inconsistent and really really old

pearl wave
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and gappy is already so OP that araki nerfed him

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and forgot about plunder

minor ore
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Plunder?

pearl wave
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the ability to steal shit

minor ore
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He still does that

pearl wave
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now he just absorbs regular stuff or uses his bubbles as bubbles

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nah

minor ore
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Does he?

pearl wave
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he hasn't since like fun fun fun

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other than that, he's just used the bubbles to grab stuff

minor ore
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He did in the california king bed i remember

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With the sound of the switch flicking

pearl wave
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ah

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well that might've been the last time he used it

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From born this way onward, I don't remember him ever using it

minor ore
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I need to re-read jjl

pearl wave
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also, I don't think his plunder ability necessarily is based off size either

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I'd assume all the water in the human body would need more than just a bubble

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or, the bubbles can just be made real big like the ones used against ozone baby

stark fossil
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I was hoping it would be possible to reconcile "plunders abstract stuff" with "plunders physical things"

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Like you can "remove someone's friction" by bubbling away every single bump on that person's skin and clothes

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But that's a lot of bubbles, and it becomes more of a stretch the more crazy things he does with that power

minor ore
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Plunder is still there in canon but gappy just doesn't use it anymore i guess

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To be fair he can't really use it against most of the new stand users

stark fossil
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Under pressure like that

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It's probably easier to think about taking stuff you can see

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Than to be like should I steal the enemy's memories of their breakfast two days ago

minor ore
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i don't think he steals memories

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The fights early on were cool as fuck tho

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Fun fun fun sold me instantly on the part

crystal patrol
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Yee

kind owlBOT
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@crystal patrol, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !

crystal patrol
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I’m sure Araki will bring it back

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I have a gut feeling

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Monthly chapters make it feel like it’s been longer since he used plunder

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Makes it easy to forget things too

minor ore
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When was the last time gappy plundered?

crystal patrol
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I can’t remember

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I’d have to reread

stark fossil
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Well yeah memory stealing would have ruined the Daiya fight slightly

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Gappy put bits of Doctor Uwu into bubbles mixed with medical cement

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I think that was the last time

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As for Gappy stealing abstract stuff

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I think the very last time was when he put his voice into bubbles vs Yotsuyu

kind owlBOT
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@stark fossil, Your Stand Power is now level 9 !

minor ore
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Daiya didn't capture S&W, it was just a representation of Gappy's memories

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He could still use S&W, it's just that he forgot he had a stand in the first place

stark fossil
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I mean

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Daiya took Gappy's memories

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If he could steal memories

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He could have stolen them back

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And the fight would have been boring

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Or did she steal the memory of S&W first? Can't remember

minor ore
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Fun Fun Fun & California King Bed was a terrible beginning to Jojolion

stark fossil
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I liked em

round dome
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California King Bed is a good song and a decent stand imo

stark fossil
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Wasn't impressed with Doobie Wah tho

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Or Blue Hawaii

round dome
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Wish I saw more of Daiya than just one arc

stark fossil
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One episode at most in the adaptation I hope

minor ore
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Fun fun fun was great

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Major plot reveals left right and center

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As well as the most badass stand reveal out of all the jojos

soft raptor
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Fax

minor ore
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I’ve never seen a more wrong opinion.

novel igloo
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fun fun fun is a cool stand fight

kind owlBOT
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@novel igloo, Your Stand Power is now level 10 !

pearl wave
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fun fun fun was cool as hell

minor ore
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People really supporting Fun Fun Fun 😔

pearl wave
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Yeah, because it was cool as hell

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and tons of plot

void viper
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Just like to say that I enjoyed fun fun fun

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That is all

minor ore
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Can someone please tell me how old the head doctor is?

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Surprisingly, 89 years old

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Really?!

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I believe so. Might have to reread to be sure.

summer tree
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YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS 89 YEARS OLD

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SPEEDWAGON WHEN HE DIED

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HEAD DOCTOR IS ALT SPEEDWAGON

minor ore
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God I hope that Tooru theory is real

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Oh my

minor ore
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go bonkers

rich depot
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Speedwagon is immortal. His "death" was just him transporting himself to the sbr universe and becoming the head doctor

merry kernel
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I like one guy's theory that 89 years old man's Stand allows him to use multiple versions of himself from different time periods.

So that could mean he might be future Tsurugi/kid/tooru at the same time.

white beacon
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Who's "kid"? So that theory suggests that the head doctor, tooru, and tsurugi are all the same person?

dense kelp
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Josu4Balls

kind owlBOT
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@dense kelp, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

soft raptor
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That would just be another D4C in some ways

merry kernel
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Yeah, parallel timelines

void viper
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Ok guys, this is how I killed Johnny joestar in half an A press

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But first we need to talk about parallel universes

knotty mango
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Hahahahhahhaha

deep jacinth
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imagine thinking the head doctor is joseph

sacred totem
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damn I want them to find the head doctor

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is jojolion on hiatus rn?

crystal patrol
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No

sacred totem
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when will the next chapter come out

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does it come out in chapters?

crystal patrol
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One chapter comes out every month on the 19th

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18th or 19th, I forget which of the two, not that it makes much difference

sacred totem
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ok

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ty

crystal patrol
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Have you just started reading it?

sacred totem
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no I'm on volume 21

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chapter 84

crystal patrol
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Ahh, souka

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I’m waiting for the next chapter too then

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Just 11 days

sacred totem
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ughhh

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do you think it will be 24 volumes?

crystal patrol
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I’m unsure, but Araki has confirmed we are near the end

sacred totem
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Because I want it to end soon mostly because I'm DYING TO KNOW HOW IT ENDS

crystal patrol
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So about 1-2 years. And same

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It’s killing me

sacred totem
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1-2 YEARS!!?!

crystal patrol
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Monthly waits aren’t fun but each new chapter is just so good

sacred totem
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damn

crystal patrol
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Uhh

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That’s just an estimate

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But considering how long Funny Valentine’s fight was, I’d say that’s about right

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And the fight with the main villain hasn’t even started

sacred totem
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One thing I hate is that I'm so bad at defining character personality and when people tell me the characteristics it's easier for me to see them

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Josuke seems like a curious light hearted guy who is a bit clueless?

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does that sound right?

crystal patrol
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Yeah

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Total dork

sacred totem
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he also has a heart of gold and puts friends first

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Joshu is just a piece of shit

crystal patrol
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Well written character

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Araki made him with the intention for the reader to hate him

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And oh boy

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What a success

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He can burn

sacred totem
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Yasuho is a lovey dovey kinda girl with deep abandonment issues who would do anything for her friends

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right?

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yea fuck Joshu

crystal patrol
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I dunno, I’m not good at that either

sacred totem
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why does Araki want us to suffer with Joshu?

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also what's the deal with the Milagro man arc? it had no purpose and Joshu took center stage

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It better be important later

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Also one thing that sucks about Joshu is I love his stand, but I hate seeing Joshu

deep jacinth
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yeah nut king call is pretty cool

crystal patrol
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Nut king call has one of my favorite stand designs, hands down

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Plus the ability is cool af

deep jacinth
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probably 90% of stands in jojolion are robotic looking

sacred totem
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Maybe his stand is supposed to say Joshu is nuts

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And he takes apart good things

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and makes them bad

crystal patrol
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Yeah Araki did that purposefully

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Since in previous parts most of them are organic

sacred totem
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ye

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one thing I like is how Araki reused a lot of stands, but he reused them in such cool ways

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that was more so in part 7

deep jacinth
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i would want see more of some of the higashikatas stands in jojolion but thats probably not happening

crystal patrol
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Yeeeeaaaah

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All the Higashikata’s have such cool stands

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California King Bed

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Paper Moon King

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King Nothing

sacred totem
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Californa King Bed is the models stand right?

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with the heels?

deep jacinth
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thats daiyas

crystal patrol
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No, no, it’s the one Daiya has that can steal memories into chess pieces

sacred totem
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nope my b

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that was super cool

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I love how Josuke defeated Daiya

crystal patrol
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Walking Heart is Hato’s

sacred totem
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It was pretty creative

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which one is Joubin?

deep jacinth
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i wanna see more walking heart and king nothing mainly

sacred totem
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what's his stand called

deep jacinth
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speed king

sacred totem
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ok ty

deep jacinth
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heats up stuff

sacred totem
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I love the design of paisley park

deep jacinth
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yeah

sacred totem
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Yasuho seems pretty bad ass

minor ore
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Joshu isn’t a bad guy

sacred totem
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The Doctor Wu was a dark fight

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like jesus christ that was dark

deep jacinth
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josukes kinda being a dick to yasuho now

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mamezuku always was

sacred totem
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oh yea I hate that

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I wish Josuke was more chill with Yasuho

crystal patrol
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Josuke’s a lil jealous is all

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Plus he’s been hanging out with Mamezuka a lot lately

deep jacinth
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shes definitely pretty mad at him for not taking her side

crystal patrol
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And Mamezuka seems to influence him a bit

deep jacinth
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yeah

crystal patrol
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And Josuke is very impressionable

sacred totem
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I don't like Yasuho's ex (sorry I'm bad with names)

deep jacinth
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after they find out yasuho was right about the branch and maybe stuff with tooru happens if thats really his stand theyll make up

kind owlBOT
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@deep jacinth, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

crystal patrol
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Tooru

sacred totem
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oh ye ty

crystal patrol
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I don’t like him either

sacred totem
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I really don't like the part in movies where the main characters split up and then get back together

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it's so cliche and annoying

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I hope Araki does something different

deep jacinth
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has it really happened in any chapters before this

sacred totem
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no it hasn't fortunately

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Jojo is very different to other media in terms of how the story goes and that's what makes it so unique and special

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also I loved the vitamin C fight

crystal patrol
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I didn’t mind what Araki did

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It works for Josuke and Yasuho’s dynamic

sacred totem
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I loved the fish torture and how the Kira wanted to protect Holly and how Josefumi wanted to help the only person who reached out to him

deep jacinth
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especially with tooru being there too

sacred totem
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yea I feel like it's gonna be a lot more interesting than the standard break up

deep jacinth
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josefumi and kira are cool

sacred totem
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they are

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I really like Yasuho

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she is pretty badass

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especially in the doctor wu fight

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I enjoyed the fact that she didn't use her stand much but more so her wit

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Ok I realize I Road da rolla da this conversation by talking off subject and shit

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my b

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it's just a great part

deep jacinth
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yeah

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yasuho and mitsuba couldve maybe taken down doctor wu on their own

sacred totem
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they could've

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Part 8 is darker with it's many sex jokes, rape attempts and the equivalent exchange

minor ore
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josuke and yasuho won’t get back together cause yasuho will die

sacred totem
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I feel like Jojo is better with that edge

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wow Todo that's a pretty strong claim

deep jacinth
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i think mamezuku could die

minor ore
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I fully predict it

deep jacinth
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but yasuho could

sacred totem
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Mamezuku came close to dying

deep jacinth
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yeah

sacred totem
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I was confused when he wasn't

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but I'm kinda happy he isn't

deep jacinth
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i like him and his stand but he is definitely a dick to yasuho a lot

sacred totem
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He is focused on the mission and doesn't like how Josuke takes priority over her

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I have to go soon so peace out

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this was a fun conversation

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I might talk later

deep jacinth
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bye

sacred totem
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ok I'm back

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I would rather talk about Jojo than do homework so here I am

sacred totem
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so part 8

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is good part

grizzled pilot
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yeah

sacred totem
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What do you like about it

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I feel like there isn't enough appreciation for the fish torture

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I feel like Araki is having a bunch of Hiatuses to plan out part 8 and make it have a thorough structure

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and also because he needs them

cosmic frost
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yeah he needs some time

kind owlBOT
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@cosmic frost, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !

cosmic frost
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part 8 after the vitamin c feels really unstructured

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bc theres no main villain and we have no idea whats going to happen

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its still my favourite part though

sacred totem
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yea

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I feel like it picked back up after the plant apraiser

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or around there

void viper
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that's my main problem with JJL, the latter half feels really meandering

cosmic frost
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kind of

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the first half of jojolion is great

sacred totem
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It got good again with Mamezuki

cosmic frost
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and by that i mean before vitamin c and the plant aprraiser

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mamezuki is really cool

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doggystyle is a cool stand name

sacred totem
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in between the apraiser and Vitamin C was weird

cosmic frost
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yup

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the blue lagoon arc

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blue hawaii

sacred totem
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eh that was fine

cosmic frost
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my bad

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yeah but not great

sacred totem
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blue hawaii?

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don't tell me

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that's the translation

cosmic frost
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oh

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i think the stand name is called blue hawaii

sacred totem
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idk

void viper
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the stand is called blue hawaii

sacred totem
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it was fine

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just fine

cosmic frost
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yup

void viper
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it was one of the weakest fights of jojolion for me

cosmic frost
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it had it cool moments

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*its

void viper
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it needed to stop after like the third "oh no what's affected now!?"

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rather than like the fifth

cosmic frost
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i dunno i really liked seeing josuke running

sacred totem
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yea that was fun

void viper
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yeah I loved the bit where josuke ran

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wasn't as good as the bit where josuke ran though

sacred totem
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OMG AND THEN THE BEST PART he ran

cosmic frost
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and where he got his fresh new nikes

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running is great

void viper
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I could compare it to the bit where josuke ran but I think the similarities are too obvious with the part where josuke ran

sacred totem
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no no when Josuke ran it greatly contrasted his earlier ways and show great development compared to when Josuke ran

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alright bye guys

void viper
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would it be too harsh to say I felt like josuke running at the start was better than josuke running at the end?!

cosmic frost
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no not in any way altough i disagree with ypu

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*you

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damnit

void viper
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press the up arrow key and it'll let you edit the previous message

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just a fun life hack 😳

cosmic frost
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oh damn

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whats this internet magic

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thank youuuuu

void viper
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no problem

minor ore
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I actually like joshu as a character

cosmic frost
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eh

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his hair is wack

robust ibex
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so im trying to figure out how they'll localize stand names for the anime of this when it happens

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i mean what theyll localize the names to

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like soft and wet. they'll probably make it soft and moist or something

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vitamin c could be kept the same along with doggy style, but they'd probably change vitamin c to vitamin d

void viper
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soft and moist is hilarious

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as is vitamin d

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doobie wah -> double wah -> 2wah

deep jacinth
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fast king

cosmic frost
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soft and wet

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Josefumi = soft Kira = wet

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does that make any sense

void viper
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Josefumi = soft and wet (probably) kira = killer queen

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killer soft and wet queen 😳

cosmic frost
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hahaahhah

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thats hot

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but i mean josuke is kira and josefumi

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i know josefumis stands name was soft and wet

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but i dunno just some stupid thought

void viper
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oh ok I thought you were legit confused

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my stand "wet" is immortal

cosmic frost
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coool name

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wet

void viper
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I mean, suit yourself lol

sacred totem
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how does Josefumi's stand work

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and how does kira's work too while i'm asking

void viper
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just to check, are you caught up on JJL to at least the plant appraiser?

sacred totem
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yea

void viper
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ok then

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killer queen is basically what killer queen+stray cat was with more control over the bubbles

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and it can summon multiple SHAs

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no BTD ability at all

sacred totem
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i see

void viper
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and I think josefumi's worked in the exact same way S&W does but just through physical contact instead of bubbles

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I'll have to check though

sacred totem
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ok

void viper
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from the wiki

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they both have bubbles apparently

supple coyote
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What day of the month are new chapters translated

void viper
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earliest would be around the 19th

soft raptor
supple coyote
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Aight

crystal patrol
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So next Friday

long flax
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When does the next volume get colored?

minor ore
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Soft & Wet wont change

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@long flax like next year lo

minor ore
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Yo

novel igloo
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yea soft and wet is a rly obscure prince song

minor ore
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Does JoJolion have a main villain yet

novel igloo
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no

minor ore
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Wtffff

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We're like 84 chapters in jesus

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Also is Part 60 and above colored yet?

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Its not showing up for me on Tachiyomi but maybe it is colored idk

summer tree
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the site I have has it colored up to Chapter 62

novel igloo
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has it gotten to rock dog fight

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or rockj anmal

summer tree
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you mean the first arc Rai shows up?

novel igloo
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thats rly the only arc i need colored

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ye

summer tree
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as far as I'm aware no, not currently

novel igloo
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f

summer tree
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only goes up to Blue Lagoon

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which is literally the arc RIGHT before it lol

minor ore
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I like Part 8 but I feel like it doesnt have a proper sense of direction at times

kind owlBOT
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@minor ore, Your Stand Power is now level 1 !

minor ore
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Like it doesnt have 1 main plot point it switches back and forth

summer tree
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I think it's just hard to say cause it's not done

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it may be easier to say by the time it's over

minor ore
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Yeah hopefully

crystal patrol
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The only reason it feels like that (IMO) is because the chapters come only once a month and it’s been going on for so long that things feel so far apart

summer tree
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that's the primary reason

crystal patrol
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Which is why I wish now that I waited till JoJolion was finished to read it

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Because it would feel all complete

summer tree
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but it's also because of a bunch of plot points that Araki hasn't touched upon for years that people would expect him to touch on

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which I hope he will

crystal patrol
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Don’t get me wrong, it’s great, and I’m gonna reread it all once it’s done, but still

summer tree
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stuff like Vitamin C or Mistuba being recognized gives me hope

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that things like Daiya or Kyo or the wall eyes or the bite marks or the blonde guys will be relevant again

minor ore
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In my experience, getting caught up the first time on Jojolion it really didn't feel right, I was also complaining about the lack of a "main plot/focused story"

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But reading the whole thing for a second time really made me appreciate everything more

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The plot felt more developed and thoughtful than the first time I read it, and everything feels more exciting /interesting

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So I'd really suggest giving it a second reading

minor ore
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Why many stands in Jojolion sucks?

white beacon
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Excuse me what

versed apex
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ʌ ʌ ʌ ʌ ʌ ʌ

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King nothing’s visual design blew my mind

white beacon
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The only stands in jjl that suck to me are Schott Key Nos. 1 and 2, Les Fuilles, and FunFunFun

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And even then they kinda cool

brittle blade
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The aphex twin fight was fucking brutal

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One of my favs

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Damn i want to see the poor tom fight in color

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Or just plant boye

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Vitamin C is the acrual bone hurting juice

acoustic ocean
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A person can have two stands at the same time

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And thats their stand

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Thats real jojolion plot twist, main villain has two stands but so does Josuke cause both got merged in with equivalent exchange from two persons

minor ore
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Now i'm imagining Josuke with Killer Queen

acoustic ocean
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Not impossible

minor ore
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For me I just got impatient

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I wanted to get some new JoJo content and I hadnt read Part 8 so i willingly assumed that it was almost finished bc there are 85 parts

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...and I was wrong, BUT I still like the part

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It just is a very different tone and pace and different everything when compared to SBR

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Stand fights are more like puzzles, they are more methodical. Overall plot is different as well, more slow down and isnt quick to rush things. Its not as fast paced either

acoustic ocean
#

Idk when it will end tho

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Xforts says that till chapter 100will have an ending

#

I think that we can't have a good ending without 120chapters

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Nonetheless, it's going to be minimum 2-3years wait

raw breach
#

I have come to a conclusion

kind owlBOT
#

@raw breach, Your Stand Power is now level 5 !

raw breach
#

Josuke is Caesar

soft raptor
#

As in Gyro

acoustic ocean
#

What if answer to jojolion closely lies in part 4 cause they are kind of closely connected

void viper
#

It doesn’t, Araki has said that the two universes won’t ever interact

summer tree
#

But did he?
Did he say that?

white beacon
#

Didn't he? He said in an interview for asb that both josukes would never interact ever in his manga

summer tree
#

I've never actually seen this interview, if somebody could link me to it, I'd like to see it

acoustic ocean
#

But araki... FORGETS

white beacon
#

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/676176-jojos-bizarre-adventure-all-star-battle/67151860 Though despite this being gamefaqs of all places, this page contains the imgur links to the guides for ASB which includes the interview, said links' suffixes are seperated by commas

Araki and Hiroshi Interview Plus Taunt and Win Pose Scans - JoJo's...

For JoJo's Bizarre Adventure All-Star Battle on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Araki and Hiroshi Interview Plus Taunt and Win Pose Scans".

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This page also includes a fantranslated version as well

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So if you don't accept the fan's translation, maybe have someone read the raw for you

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Also in one other interview he mentions how a fan asked him is Rohan's gonna appear, and then he said never, but he also says that a different weird mangaka might/will appear instead

summer tree
#

I'm tempted to misinterpret his comments in ways that fit my headcanons while still keeping his words true

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Ireneverse theories time

sacred totem
#

?

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Yo mr.mm are you on cubeworld discord,

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Nvm

minor ore
#

Who is the fucking antagonist

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What the fuck

#

I feel so distraught

acoustic ocean
#

All i want is for Araki to somehow link part8 and part9(if it ever comes out) with original universe atleast a bit

kind owlBOT
#

@acoustic ocean, Your Stand Power is now level 2 !

summer tree
#

He'll never link to the original universe

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the Ireneverse however

acoustic ocean
#

Yeah the ireneverse might happen

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Cause if we think about it

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Emporio is not the only one to remember what happen before

summer tree
#

Or maybe Emporio is who knows

#

Although I'm not sure when and where, but I believe Ireneverse is 2012, JJL is still in 2011

acoustic ocean
#

Hm i think they are both 2011

mossy robin
#

Ireneverse is still the same year as Stone Ocean so it's 2012.

summer tree
#

No, Jolyne spends a while jn prison and I'm pretty sure it starts in 2011 and goes into 2012

mossy robin
#

It does start in 2011, just checked.

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But even so, things wouldn't have changed so drastically. It only replaces the dead with new copies, not their entire situation.

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For instance, Jonathan would've still been in England or whatever with an interest in archaeology.

summer tree
#

I mean, that's not confirmed however I feel
Everyone says "Only those killed by Pucci get replaced" and the only evidence for that is Emporio who I feel is kind of an undetermined variable for killing Pucci himself?

grand tangle
#

why does vol 1 end with chapter 5 but vol 2 starts with chapter 9

kind owlBOT
#

@grand tangle, Your Stand Power is now level 6 !

grand tangle
#

i’m trying to read jojolion but i’m missing 4 chapters

summer tree
#

What site are you using to read

grand tangle
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oh wait no it’s backwards like a physical manga

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i’m using the official colored scans mega

summer tree
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Oh okay lol

grand tangle
#

it’s so weird that it switches like that

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wait o

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*no

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the chapters are in reverse order but the pages are listed in order

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seriously what the fuck man lmao

rich hearth
minor ore
#

Part 9 should have a pirate JoJo

acoustic ocean
#

If there is part 9 it wont be soon

#

Ending jojo at part 8 wouldn't be bad either,series has been running for decades

knotty mango
#

I dont want jojo to become hiatus x hiatus

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So I think it should end at 8

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What if the head doctor killed johnny

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Hes old enough

summer tree
#

It can end at 9

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Parts 1-3 is a trilogy

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Parts 4-6 is a trilogy

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Parts 7 and 8 go together so it should be wrapped up as a trilogy if trilogies

minor ore
#

Don’t we know what happened with Johnny

knotty mango
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No

minor ore
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Didn’t the corpse give the trees some ability

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and they fucked him

knotty mango
#

I

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Oh

minor ore
#

I don’t remember tbh

soft raptor
#

Yoo a pirate JoJo

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Neat idea

summer tree
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A boulder ruined his face

minor ore
#

@summer tree Am I wrong about what happened to Johnny?

#

Didn’t the corpse pull some bullshit?

summer tree
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I think the coprse did, he used it to cure his wife of her disease, but then it went to his son and so he did it again so he himself would have it and then he like died and stuff

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idk, it's been a while, let me grab the chapter

crystal patrol
#

Johnny died in 1901

minor ore
#

For some reason I thought it involved the trees

primal grove
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kinda-ish

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it did involve the trees

crystal patrol
#

The head doctor is 89, which means he was born in 1922

minor ore
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Fuzzy memo- oh

primal grove
#

he used tusk 4 + corpse to send the disease from his son to himself

crystal patrol
#

We already know how Johnny died anyways

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^^^

primal grove
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at that moment, the "tree stand" awakened

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and killed him

minor ore
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Yeah, the only reason I even brought this up is because John said “we don’t know who killed Johnny”

summer tree
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Here's the chapter

knotty mango
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Ye

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I forgot

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I dont remember the trees part though

primal grove
#

the panel like before he dies

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zoom in the leaves

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from the shakedown road

summer tree
#

You know I kinda wonder what the government did with the corpse parts

crystal patrol
#

I need to read Jojolion over again

#

Same

minor ore
#

I’m gonna reread it too.

#

Currently I am rereading but only up to California King Bed Part 2

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Jojolion starts off with terrible fights

summer tree
#

how does DAIYA HEAL HERSELF

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HOW DID SHE DO IT

minor ore
#

California King Bed is such a cliche filled fight I legitimately think it’s one of the worst in the series

#

It does nothing well

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and has shitty tropes

summer tree
#

I still stand by how Tower of Gray is the worst

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Just

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Ever

minor ore
#

Lmao yeah

summer tree
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Is a bug
And it's fast
That's it
it's faster than STAR PLATINUM SOMEHOW

minor ore
#

Part 3 is some ass before Egypt lol

summer tree
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Besides a few stand outs

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Like Hanged Man

minor ore
#

I also always disliked how J Geil just kills Polnareff’s sister... just cause?

summer tree
#

And Judgement

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I mean
We can assume J Geil was a criminal and stuff

minor ore
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It’s the only true development for any of the characters and it just seems shoehorned in to create the potential of development

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Just a mess all around

summer tree
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When was his sister killed?

#

What year?

minor ore
#

I definitely can’t remember that

summer tree
#

I just wonder if it relates to how Diavolo raised the crime rates in Polnareff's homeland in 1986

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A whole 3 years before Part 3

minor ore
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Definitely not

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Nothing passed part 3 was thought of while part 3 was being made

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Absolutely no chance

knotty mango
#

You right

minor ore
#

I don’t think anything in future parts was conceived

summer tree
#

No I meant like

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As a sort of

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Retroactive thing

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Like why would Araki choose to mention that

minor ore
#

Retroactive? What

summer tree
#

"The crime rates in Polnareff's homeland raised in 1986"

minor ore
#

If you mean that he turned Diavolo’s backstory into causing crime in France, then yeah

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But that’s not what retroactive means

summer tree
#

Was this Araki justifiying J Geil in Polnareff's backstory

minor ore
#

I’m unsure, but personally prob not tbh

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He just needed a reason for Polnareff to be in Part 5

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for whatever reason

summer tree
#

It's cause it's in Europe

#

That doesn't explain the lack of ZEPPELIS THOUGH

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THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY ITALIAN

#

ARAKI WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT A ZEPPELI IN PART 5

minor ore
#

Caesar had like nine sisters didn’t he

summer tree
#

He had a shit ton of siblings yeah

minor ore
#

Honestly I feel like having a Zeppeli would have lessened Part 5

#

It would feel kind of shoehorned in

summer tree
#

Yeah, but I don't like how...standalone Part 5 is

knotty mango
#

Can we get a side manga of the zeppelin adventures

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He had 9 sisters

minor ore
#

Well we do have Polnareff

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and searching for the arrows

summer tree
#

Yeah, but that's at the end

minor ore
#

It’s not that standalone

knotty mango
#

History of the arrow as well

minor ore
#

We also have a literal son of DIO as the protagonist

summer tree
#

I honestly wish Giorno had talked about that

minor ore
#

I think it’s standalone because it wanted to focus on Giorno’s story, not Jojo’s story

#

but then fate would have it where they become intertwined anyway

knotty mango
#

Dio vs kingu xforts

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Crinaon

summer tree
#

He never once talks about DIO or why he bothers keeping a photo of DIO

knotty mango
#

Ni x forts

minor ore
#

People that think DIO could beat King Crimson are smoothbrained

knotty mango
#

Ahem

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Nk

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No

#

Araki himself said it

#

You cant see stopped time

minor ore
#

you can leap passed it

knotty mango
#

All hed see is him being donuted

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No

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Because things still happen

#

In erased time

minor ore
#

Time stop is instanteous

knotty mango
#

Hes still going to be donuted I stantly

minor ore
#

it doesn’t have time

knotty mango
#

So is time stop

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And even of he activates first

minor ore
#

Diavolo could skip 0.2 seconds and literally go passed it

knotty mango
#

That was a plot hole

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And

#

The moment that he was donuted

#

Was in stopped time

summer tree
#

DIO can do 9 seconds
Diavolo 10 seconds

minor ore
#

It doesn’t matter how long you can use time stop

#

Time stop stops time, time doesn’t keep moving

#

King Crimson actively skips ten seconds

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Of moving time

knotty mango
#

Inncorrect

#

Things still happen

#

He still can get hit

#

See buccelatir

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And time doesnt move

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----------------> passage of time

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King crimson sees 10 seconds
---------------->
|

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Jotaro stops time

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Or dio

#

Sorry

grand tangle
#

kc can skip dio’s 10 seconds

knotty mango
#

No it cant

grand tangle
#

because they’re really one instant

knotty mango
#

Do you have proof

#

Its always been stated to be time stop

grand tangle
#

yeah i have a brain and i can think

knotty mango
#

Not him moving fast

#

Then show your evidence

#

If it's just him moving in a instant you have evidence correct?

grand tangle
#

if kc can jump past up to 10 seconds, and dio can freeze time, then all of the events of the stopped time happen in an instant

knotty mango
#

And let's disregard araki said he could beat him

#

Yeah

#

Oh I see

grand tangle
#

so he can use epitaph to see ten seconds in the future

knotty mango
#

Yeah

#

All he would see is donut

grand tangle
#

so while it’s been say, 15 seconds for dio, it’s only been 10 for doppio

knotty mango
#

Ye

grand tangle
#

or diavolo even

knotty mango
#

No

#

Ita only been 5

#

9

grand tangle
#

yeah

knotty mango
#

For dio

#

Because

#

He cant remember kc

#

Erased tim

grand tangle
#

so no matter what dio does in stopped time, diavolo can dodge it and dio will forget

knotty mango
#

No because he cant see when time stops

#

Lete explain

#

Let me

grand tangle
#

but he’ll see the result after time starts again

knotty mango
#

--------->
|

#

The absolute value is where epitaph sees

#

He sees he gets donuted

#

But he doesnt know how

#

Dio

#

10s in the future

#

Stops time

grand tangle
#

but he still knows what dio will have done

knotty mango
#

No

#

Because all of it happens in stopped time

#

Which epithap cant see

#

----------->
|dio stops time he has 9 seconds he cant see
|epitaph he sees himself donuted

#

Or do anything in

#

He donuts him

#

He cant erase that time

#

Because it's part of the stopped time

#

So it comes down to how activated first

#

And even of kc activates first

#

Dios a vampire

#

He can survive a donut

#

Even buccelatia could

#

Dio wins

#

9/10 times

#

The world is the ultimate stand

#

Araki said it himself

fleet pier
#

yeah dio wins just because of vampirism

#

and also, star platinum is technically the ultimate stand because he beat him

knotty mango
#

Nah either way

#

Scroll up

#

I made an explanation

#

During the stopped time he gets donuted

#

And he cant do shit about it

#

And he cant erase it

fleet pier
#

he can erase it

#

there's no reason why he couldn't

knotty mango
#

He cant

#

Because that time is stoppe

#

D

fleet pier
#

made in heaven affected time stop

knotty mango
#

That was just him not being able to see where pucci was gping

fleet pier
#

no jotaro literally says his time stop was shortened

kind owlBOT
#

@fleet pier, Your Stand Power is now level 4 !

knotty mango
#

Not him speeding up time stop

#

That's bullshit

#

Time stop is time stop

#

Araki pulling some shit here

fleet pier
#

🤷

knotty mango
#

Araki what

#

You cant speed up time if its stopped

#

?????

#

Guy with confused face

fleet pier
#

i guess maybe MiH works more like, "it accelerates all things that are happening"? not sure

knotty mango
#

Well skipped time 9s different

#

We cant really tell for sure

#

Dio wins 9/10 times

fleet pier
#

if time stop can be affected by one time controlling ability, imo it should be affected by time erase as well

knotty mango
#

We know that muxch

#

Yeah but araki iant really consistent

#

And maybe mih is special

#

Becaide it's a heaven stand

#

So dio always wins

#

Jotaro vs kc

#

Different story

fleet pier
#

agreed there

knotty mango
#

Hard to tell

fleet pier
#

I'd say KC bodies him

grand tangle
#

kc can beat any time control stand aside from gold experience requiem

knotty mango
#

I still think it comes down to who activates first

grand tangle
#

here i made this fun graphic

knotty mango
#

When I'm back I'll do mine

#

But I dont think diavalo would see the knifes hitting him

#

And why wouldn't dio donute

#

Donut

#

Not throw lnofes

#

If he donuted

#

He wouldn't see

grand tangle
#

the easiest way to think about kc is that it deletes the cause and leaves the effect

#

so it doesn’t matter what attack dio uses, i just like the knives one because i can draw it with stick figures

#

and so the reason gold experience requiem can beat kc is because it leaves the cause but not the effect

knotty mango
#

Yeah but he can only do it with regular passage of tinw

#

We dont know whether or not kc can see stopped time

#

Whoch is why for me

grand tangle
#

dio’s 10 seconds are only for dio

knotty mango
#

It can go either way

#

The knifes happen after stoped time

#

Which diavalo can erase

#

Ap I donr like that

grand tangle
#

in order to perceive stopped time you need to have the ability to stop time

knotty mango
#

Dio would just donut him in stopped time

#

Which he cant see

grand tangle
#

then he would see himself donutted and move

knotty mango
#

He would die because things that happen in erased time still happen

grand tangle
#

because then dio will just donut thin air

knotty mango
#

No because it happens instantly

#

He cant move fast enough

grand tangle
#

yeah so it’s caught up in the ten seconds

knotty mango
#

Because it would even take a Google secong

#

Woulby

#

Wouldnt

#

Diavalo couldn't move very far

grand tangle
#

it doesn’t matter if he can move fast enough, he has ten seconds to move a foot to the left.

knotty mango
#

No because thing still happen

#

And all hell see is donut

#

And ittl happen to instantly

grand tangle
#

the actual action of donutting takes less than an instant, but he can see everything encapsulated in the 10 seconds

knotty mango
#

Its easier to understand with drawing

fleet pier
#

@grand tangle actually, right before made in heaven, when pucci is in the frame, jotaro stops time and pucci moves his eyes

grand tangle
#

that was shown in the bruno fight

#

wait really?

fleet pier
#

yeah

grand tangle
#

huh

#

maybe it was from dio jesus’ corpse part?

knotty mango
#

Gimme a secondo

grand tangle
#

from when he absorbed green baby

knotty mango
#

In class

fleet pier
grand tangle
#

but it’s probably just time stand users

knotty mango
#

In math class so its gonna be terrible

#

Even he checked before

#

The donut happens in stopped time

#

So he still gets donuted

#

Jist shortly after

#

He appears to suddenly move left or right

#

But he still has a hole in his stomach

grand tangle
#

i think if dio surprises diavolo he wins

knotty mango
#

Nah I just explained why

grand tangle
#

but if diavolo knows dio is there, dio can’t touch him

knotty mango
#

No

#

I just explained why

#

You said he would see the moment he gets donuted and m0ve

#

But he cant

#

Because it happens in the stopped time

#

So all that would happen is he would move over

#

And still have a hole in his stomach

rich depot
#

It kinda depends on how you define stopped time

knotty mango
#

Yeah

#

Like I said

rich depot
#

Maybe DIO is moving so fast that the world appears to be stopped

knotty mango
#

This is the definition where it is stopped

rich depot
#

Then Diavolo could just nope around it

knotty mango
#

And the scenario where it is stopped

#

There is evidence to say that it is stopped time

#

Araki said it is

#

Like 80000 times

rich depot
#

That's fair, it is his creation

knotty mango
#

Mhm

#

So for me

#

Dio wins 10/10 times

#

Jotaro wins 5/10 times depending on who activates first

fleet pier
#

maybe

#

like i mentioned earlier, Pucci could see in time stop, so it's possible that time controlling stands can do that

crystal patrol
#

KC can erase the action of Dio stopping time

#

It’s the perfect counter

knotty mango
#

Things in erased time still happen for the 800000th time

#

Annoying how people dont know how kc works

#

Besides

#

Over all of this

#

Araki said he would win

fleet pier
#

things in erased time don't happen

#

the result of them happening is left, but the action itself never happened, technically

knotty mango
#

Yeah basically

#

So dio still donuts him

fleet pier
#

um, no

#

diavolo can reposition himself

grand tangle
#

that’s what i’ve been saying

#

that’s how he avoids attacks

knotty mango
#

Um no

#

The donut happens in stopped time

#

During this

#

He cant reposition himself

#

After wards

#

After time resumes

#

And he looks

#

And sees hes been donuted

#

He moves over

#

But was already donuted

#

So instead of being in front of dio

fleet pier
#

the time stop was erased though

#

nothing that happened in it actually happened

knotty mango
#

THE effects of the time stop still happen

fleet pier
#

technically, if he repositions before dio stops time, dio won't react to his movements

#

so even if you're right, he still wouldn't get donuted there

crystal patrol
#

Okay why are we talking about this in #jojolion though?

fleet pier
#

honestly no idea

#

i think dio vs diavolo just got brought up here and it spiraled downwards from there

knotty mango
#

In that case it depends who activates first

#

And time stop activates nigh instantly

#

And dio would see everything in stopped time

#

So he would see that he moved

#

And donut him

#

He would be confused

#

And curious

#

But dio dooesnt take chances

#

When jotaro falls to the ground as my example

fleet pier
#

dio wouldn't see that he moved

knotty mango
#

Yes he would because he can react to stuff in stopped time

fleet pier
#

buccelati couldn't see that he moved when he was punch baragging during the KC intro fight

knotty mango
#

Was he in stopped time

#

No

fleet pier
#

he was in erased time

knotty mango
#

Yeah

fleet pier
#

and you're saying the time stop is happening during the time erase, right?

knotty mango
#

Yup

fleet pier
#

then it's still affected

knotty mango
#

Can the time erase affect the memory though for time stop

#

We dont know

#

Which is why it goes either way

#

I dont know

#

But dio wins

fleet pier
#

it's happening during the section of time erase, so there's no reason why it wouldn't

#

as evidenced by made in heaven, time stop isn't untouchable

knotty mango
#

Yeah but it's happening in stopped time which epitaph cant see

#

Or react too

fleet pier
#

epitaph can't see it but he can still erase it

knotty mango
#

If he cant see it would he erase it?

fleet pier
#

yes

knotty mango
#

And can he erase stopped time

#

Also

fleet pier
#

yes

knotty mango
#

Tou said earlier he would see him stop time

#

No he qouldn

fleet pier
#

yes that's where I don't agree with him

knotty mango
#

All epitaph would see is

#

POSE

#

Then donut

#

He wouldnt be able to erase what happens within

fleet pier
#

yes he would

knotty mango
#

Thus dio wins

fleet pier
#

i don't know why you think he can't

knotty mango
#

No he wouldnt

#

Time stop is time stops
Ed

#

You can't erase 0 seconds

fleet pier
#

time stop is time stop and it was affected by time accelerate

knotty mango
#

Yeah that was a different story

#

Mih is special

fleet pier
#

not really

knotty mango
#

We cant assume they all do it over one stand

#

Doibg it

#

If that were true

fleet pier
#

we kinda can

knotty mango
#

Then if one white marker

#

Made a black mark

#

Then this all white markers must make a black mark correct

#

No

#

That is your logic

fleet pier
#

that is the worst comparison I've ever heard in my life

knotty mango
#

No it isnt

#

You assume because one time stand can see

#

So can all the pthers

#

Others

#

Even when btd couldnt

fleet pier
#

main problem: you're saying all white markers do this, but time stands aren't white markers, all white markers are the same while every time stand has a different power

#

and also

knotty mango
#

Yeag

fleet pier
#

how do you know kira couldn't see in stopped time

knotty mango
#

If they have a different powe

#

Why assume they can

#

Your assuming they all can

#

Off of one exam0le

#

With an entirely different stand

fleet pier
#

this examples shows that it's possible

knotty mango
#

And the only link between them is that they're a time stand

#

Kc and mih

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It could be any number of reasons as to why he could see

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like what

knotty mango
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It could be because it's a heaven stand

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Or

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Pucci always could see

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do you know what "heaven stand" even means

knotty mango
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So dont assume it's one thing

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Thus

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Dio wins

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i asked you a question

knotty mango
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Yeah

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I read 6 a while back

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But yeah

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you do know that... "heaven" isn't some super powerful energy, right?

knotty mango
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Yeah