The multiple sheer heart attack thing looks so busted
#jojolion
flat vale
Jojokolion
summer tree
what's the worst fight in Part 8
elfin mist
doobie wah
really forgettable n boring imo. ending is the best part, and aisho had a nice design.
actually
the schott twins
granite sedge
I was gonna say Fun Fun Fun, but I completely forgot the twins even existed, so...
elfin mist
it had more cons as a fight than doobie wah, i'd argue.
twins had mediocre stands, forgettable as characters thru design n personality n the overall arc felt quick in my memory.
granite sedge
Aisho was actually one of the better minor villains in Jojo in my opinion, and definitely the best one in Jojolion.
I didn't mind Doobie Wah.
elfin mist
i feel aisho got too little time time being shown
but he had a good personality/stand/design
plus he was cute
overall tho, i think damo was best minor villain in jjl
flat vale
@summer tree leaf fight, because it wasn't a fight
flat vale
Yeah but somebody wins at the end of that
craggy belfry
the thing I liked about Doobie Wah that I atleast REMEMBER about it was that Josuke beat the crap out of them for the most part with his bare hands and legs
supple plaza
Josuke is the Berserker of the JoJo bloodline
Which is funny because his Alpha Timeline version is the most pacifist of them all
white beacon
yeah but that's johnny towards his goals, josuke's just plain brutal
slow cobalt
how? josukes so passive most of the time
white beacon
didn't he beat up that funfunfun user, even after he already told them the info and already beaten him up?
craggy belfry
hey what do you guys think about Urban Guerilla cause I completely forgot about him despite how recent his arc was
slow cobalt
it was a good fight
but that was more cus of doggystyle and him seeing josukes personality and determination
i disliked the character
craggy belfry
and what about his pet thing that seemed like it was gonna open up more questions but instead was just a throw away enemy
slow cobalt
it did tho, yashuo is investigating her hairpin
craggy belfry
well I guess that proves how much I remembered from that fight
elfin mist
yknow looking back,
i realized dolomite has been the only rock person not killed after their respective arc thus far.
maybe he'll be important again?
probably not, but since he's basically jjls yuya, he may also become important in some way later on in the story. idk.
white beacon
or probably not
i mean, he can't walk
and he seems content just being in his blue lagoon
elfin mist
tru
i just felt it was strange to keep one rock person alive in comparison to all the others.
possibly could've been just a case of yasuho being the one who would've been able to kill him the easiest, and how she's one of the least likely characters in the part to kill someone, i feel.
white beacon
yeah, yasuho was the one in control during the dolomite confrontation so josuke didn't have a chance to kill him off
granite sedge
It strikes me as very out of character for Yasuho to kill anyone, and Dolomite wasn't really going to be a problem after he was defeated anyway.
white beacon
so long as he doesn't use blue hawaii again, then it's gucci
he doesn't actually even have a reason to use it again, he's a neutral rock human who just acted that one time cuz joubin gave him kfc
flat vale
blue hawaii, isn't that the drink Jotaro sips on in part 3?
flat vale
koichi wouldn't be alive yet
rich depot
Hmmm
Who was shigechi‘s counterpart?
Also, Avdol shouldn‘t exist either but there he is
elfin mist
there was a character named shigechi that was shown in the leaderboards of the race occasionally.
rotund haven
Gappy is a passione member
flat vale
Being a thug and being a gangstar aren’t the same
white beacon
see
i mean, sure this part is particular makes sense cuz damo tried to hurt everyone in the family
but gappy still one-punched him, in broad daylight, out in the public
so he doesn't care if people see him kill a man, he's still gonna kill a man
granite sedge
Gappy and Giorno are by far the most brutal and vicious Jojos.
old marlin
Honestly Giorno is more so ruthless than he is brutal
He’d rather torture someone than kill them
Like with what he did to Diavolo
ripe marlin
Josuke does all the damage at once
Giorno draws it out
Makes you feel it
Like his original sensory overload ability
granite sedge
Giorno is downright sadistic.
old marlin
Josuke really tries to hide it but he takes alot from Kira’s brutal nature
I think it’s cool how Josuke kinda represents an opposite to Giorno’s tactics in combat
Josuke always closes distance or runs away
Giorno always keeps someone away from him but wont try to lose sight of them or let them get the edge on him
ripe marlin
I never thought about that
white beacon
i'm not sure if i'm misremembering, or completely forgot
but i feel like most of the stands in jjl aren't called by name during the story
old marlin
Partially true
They no longer shout “CRAZY DIAMOND” or say “THIS IS MY STAND, _______”
white beacon
yeah that too but that's alreayd apparent in sbr for the most part
it just seemed to me that the rock humans don't call theirs by name, they just refer to it as their ability and just go with the motions
but i'm probably misrememebring a lot of stuff
old marlin
I think it works better that way
Narratively we’ve moved away from big evil and larger than life villains
The mention of them only as abilities makes it feel more real atleast to me
Because stands are always supposed to have been an extension of their users but the names and personalities kind of detract from that
white beacon
yeah i thought about it while doing chores. thinking about aishou not exactly calling his stand "Doobie Wah!" cuz it sounds dumb in any context
ripe marlin
DOGGY STYLE TIME
old marlin
A stand is really only as good as its user
And the fluff like Names just add a padding that is welcome but not necessary
stands are way more unique than say DevilFruits from One Piece or Quirks from My Hero Academia of Jutsu from Naruto
white beacon
then i remember doctor uwu just using the word "ability" to refer to his fragmentation, and it contrasts to mitsuba calling her stand multiple times, since she's a higashikata and araki tries to make it a point that her stand has "King" in it
ripe marlin
Fuxk im still a chapter behind
old marlin
Read it rn
old marlin
Coward
ripe marlin
My eyes can barely read discoed
white beacon
ew cain weak af
old marlin
What a baby
white beacon
but yeah, stand names like FunFunFun and Doobie Wah! just don't really fit when teh users call them out cuz the battles were tensive and stuffs
old marlin
If you cant even read berserk when you’re tired you shouldnt watch it at all
ripe marlin
old marlin
Stand just being abilities works well in Jojolion i’ll say
ripe marlin
Yeah
old marlin
The “King” aspect of the naming has been kind of lackluster in meaning but in theory the grander scale of it could be interesting
It’s like the will of D in One Piece
ripe marlin
i read gender scale and got confused
white beacon
cain go sleep
old marlin
Its obv foreshadowing
Ik that
But it wouldve been cool if it had deeper plot significance
ripe marlin
Holy shir
I just realised
That this reboot is 10 episodes
Im inly on ep 6
Because each is sn hour long
I thought id be able to finish it but no
Gn ppl
white beacon
nighto rainz
and yeah it woulda been nice to have an explanation as to why the higashikata stands have king in them, other than they have it simply because
summer tree
BEST PART 8 FIGHT
elfin mist
vitamin c, i am a rock or urban guerilla
all three had really good parts to em that made them great, but i'd say vitamin c is best out of bias.
actually i take back my word- ozone baby was the best as a fight
kind owlBOT
@elfin mist, Your Gangstar cred is now level 7 !
elfin mist
even though i personally hate poor tom.
craggy belfry
vitamin c and funfunfun are the most memorable
summer tree
Urban Guerilla? Really?
I didn't find that fight that great
But maybe that was because the domc- what the hell is the name of the thing the dude rode?
elfin mist
i like urban guerilla due to it introducing rai, having a good ending and cool concepts
domenstataiatauhsjwodoudhxbs something idk
craggy belfry
doreimelafasetod awoifawoiaoafiowo whatever
summer tree
Yeah, that thing?
It's design pissed me off
I hated how that thing looked
It was so stupid looking
elfin mist
i liked how stupid it looked imo lol
summer tree
That's all I could focus on I guess lol
craggy belfry
not gonna lie that was a weird arc and it was hard for me to focus on anything but Rai and Yasuho
rotund haven
craggy belfry
what a man
craggy belfry
flat vale
Tamaki Damo proves manlets are the strongest race
minor ore
bruh undergoing withdrawal rn
rapid hearth
did johnny just fucking die
rich depot
And they say getting stoned won‘t kill you
flat vale
Johnny got so stoned he died
rotund haven
Diego threw the rock
flat vale
han shot first
craggy belfry
but han moving his head to the side at the last second is superior
inb4 disney changes it so that han doesn't even shoot greedo but his bolt gets reflected back at him
minor ore
Johnny didn't die, he just rocked.
rotund haven
Like that scene in Inglorious Bastards, he had his gun aimed at his nuts the entire time
flat vale
They should do a reference to hand hook man car door
cyan sierra
joshu's stand is baddass tbh
white beacon
i mean, joshu's kinda dumb and he doesn't really know his stand very much, so it makes sense he didn't use it that often during milagro man
summer tree
I feel like Araki has bitten off more than he can chew with Part 8
white beacon
araki introduced too many cool stuffs for part 8 and now he can't tie them all together
too many loose ends, not enough knots
elfin mist
and from that 8, only maybe 3 are important currently lmao
white beacon
araki coulda made part 8 into some kind of sitcom
summer tree
California King Bed - 1 fight, not used again
Nut King Call - Barely used
King Nothing - Barely used
Speed King - Barely used
Paper Moon King - Used often and is useful
Walking Heart - 1 fight so far
Awaking III Leaves - In the middle of its first fight
elfin mist
in speed king's case, we can tell it'll def be used later
summer tree
Kaato's stand - We don't know what it does, we don't even know it's NAME!
white beacon
you know what woulda been cool tho
during the hunt for the new rokakaka, a bunch of different rockmen would attack the higashikata estate
so they would have their own battles to fight
rich depot
Every time the house is attacked most of the family is instantly on the verge of death
white beacon
okay to be fair
rich depot
They just don‘t have the fighting spirit of Jobin or Josuke.
white beacon
....that's actually pretty true the rockmen know what they're doing
summer tree
Oh yeah if you want to include Kyo
elfin mist
i mean
kind owlBOT
@elfin mist, Your Gangstar cred is now level 8 !
summer tree
Who is living there
craggy belfry
time for new Daya fight
summer tree
Born This Way - One fight
elfin mist
the main two cases of the estate being attacked are uh
craggy belfry
I hope your idea happens
elfin mist
ozone baby and vitamin c
summer tree
Vitamin C
white beacon
yeah that's what i meant spook
elfin mist
ozone baby, nobody could fight back really
white beacon
the rockmen know that it's better to nuetralize everyone in one fell swoop, ratehr than make a war
elfin mist
vitamin c, bad case of everyone rushing about
summer tree
Same with those who get caught up in Vitamin C
elfin mist
yea yea
summer tree
Joshu got washed down the sink
Which despite being amazing
Just wrote him out of the arc
rich depot
Lol that was hilarious though
summer tree
It also sucked cause they literally had Kyo do something for the first time in forever
And she just
Got Vitamin Ced
craggy belfry
I really hope Araki brings her back after this arc
rotund haven
the pacing is ass
craggy belfry
after this arc I don't want another fight
I want more interaction between characters and more solving the mysteries of the rock humans
for atleast 2 chapters
summer tree
Or if it is a fight make it the D4C
elfin mist
i want/hope we get a side arc of either yasuho investigating her old hair clip or jobin doing. whatever jobin does, eventually
rich depot
My stand [Magic Rock Abortions] has no weaknesses!
elfin mist
or anything involving the side characters
craggy belfry
wait a minute
rotund haven
far too late in the game tbh
summer tree
Because it was her time of the month or something
I'm not joking
I think that's the actual reason
rotund haven
menstrual cramps yeah
rich depot
Isn‘t that more of a "go to the pharmacy and get advil" sort of thing?
Why the hospital
rotund haven
But you see Dr. Wu can fix it all
kind owlBOT
@rotund haven, Your Gangstar cred is now level 12 !
rotund haven
He knows no failure
summer tree
Dr. Wu is certainly one of the more interesting rock people so far
Damo is the best
And despite having an awful stand, Dolomiti was somewhat interesting
rich depot
Maybe pharmacies are built into the hospitals in japan i dunno
summer tree
The rest are kind of forgettable though
Except for some stand out stands
Because I liked I Am A Rock
It's such a super specific stand lol
rotund haven
araki loves killing those guys right after their arc
And THEN giving them character in a flashback
craggy belfry
Araki just loves not having to hold back and make his jojo be absolutely ruthless
which is weird cause Josuke was previously his favorite?
and he was nice as hell
summer tree
Well
rich depot
The Boss Baby‘s fight was really cool my dudes
craggy belfry
I'm talking Josuk4
summer tree
Yeah
rotund haven
Everyone is as angry as gappy though
summer tree
And you're talking about how Gappy is ruthless, right?
rotund haven
Tsurugi killed the guy with a bus
craggy belfry
Gappy, Johnny, and Giorno were pretty ruthless
summer tree
JOBIN BUS IS THE BEST THING IN PART 8
Yeah and in Gappy's case
He's part Kira
And despite not being a serial killer this time (as far as we know)
This Kira is pretty ruthless
craggy belfry
Kira is the hero of Morioh though
rich depot
I dunno Kira‘s a weird dude
summer tree
Which is reflected in the...like what
rotund haven
craggy belfry
no way he's a serial killer, he's just rorschach level violent
summer tree
FIFTY Sheer Heart Attacks he has?
summer tree
How many Sheer Heart Attack does Part 8 Kira have
craggy belfry
...infinite?
rotund haven
Enough to blow up a dock
white beacon
many small SHAs
craggy belfry
is part 8 sheer heart attack based on size
theoretically, could he make one big 50ft sheer heart attack?
summer tree
No but they're normal sized in the Vitamin C flashback
Which reminds me!
People always say Araki forgot about shrinking stands!
But he uses it with Part 8 Kira!
HE DIDN'T FORGET
craggy belfry
I forgive him for forgetting the first time though, he was experimenting with the stands in part 3 the same way he did with hamon in part 2
I'm pretty sure, let me check
white beacon
araki admits he forgets a lot of stuffs
craggy belfry
wasn't vitamin C in 2016?
white beacon
didn't he say he forgot about that oingo boingo controversial thingy
summer tree
I don't know lol, I caught up with Part 8 when Ozone Baby ended
rich depot
What‘s that?
rotund haven
He made that before
rich depot
How could Oingo Boingo be controversial?
craggy belfry
yeah Vitamin C was January 2016
I don't remember exactly when lovers was but it was pre2016
white beacon
in that one interview with that idol that like jotaro, she mentioned about the controversy surrounding (b?)oingo's book having that 9/11 thingy
and he admitted he forgot he made that
rich depot
Oh
craggy belfry
and how araki predicted it and it just happened?
white beacon
yeah
craggy belfry
that was sent her a few weeks ago
that was actually grimly hilarious
how he just rubs it off too
rotund haven
craggy belfry
my favorite jojo panel, ever
rotund haven
He looks like, emo sailor rohan
summer tree
I feel like it's very vague though
It was just a dude with
"911" on his shirt
And then the book had a plane
That's a stretch if you ask me
craggy belfry
this one almost scares me, its unsettling
white beacon
i like how kira emphasizes "fruit" as if that's not what they do
rotund haven
He's talking about Apple
craggy belfry
I think he said it like that cause the smuggling might have been to something more suspicious
wasn't the context of the scene was that a rock human was found on the boat in a crate, and it was being shipped to the higashikata fruit company
craggy belfry
with smuggling the rock human, it could be a front
plus he hasn't actually seen the company in action
craggy belfry
I don't remember
summer tree
POOR TOM IS THE REAL KIRA
rich depot
The Boss Baby deserved better
white beacon
well, dolomite didn't die, i think, maybe
maybe it's because the rock people fight josuke, and josuke has no remorse, so he just shatters them
rich depot
If we come across a person with no arms or legs do we resuscitate them?
white beacon
give them kfc
rotund haven
rotund haven
now we just josefumi
craggy belfry
ok but kira > all of jojolion cast by a longshot except Norisuke
and jojolion has an EXCELLENT cast
albeit underused
thinking about it now, Tsurugi gets a LOT of screen time and plot relevance
even more so than Joshu
white beacon
i think it's because tsurugi's stand is moreso used as a supposrt stand, so he's always by the side of important characters
kinda like yasuho in a way
white beacon
can you really blame him? he's a literal kid
and don't compare him to hayato or emporio, they may be kids too but the conditions are different
rotund haven
I mean he has the intelligence of any other adult in jojolion half the time
elfin mist
he's constantly in fear of the chance of sickness. other kids in the series didn't have to worry about stuff like that as much.
rotund haven
The shit he put yasuho through was just too far
old marlin
or so he says he did
rotund haven
probably why jojolion is suffering atm
old marlin
if i understood what you were saying jojolion is suffering because it's trying new stuff
to which i can agree
rotund haven
Was continuing from #stone-ocean
old marlin
i know
craggy belfry
I really am not a fan of the current arc in jojolion, it feels so weird
craggy belfry
I don't think Araki had a goal or ending in mind and then when he caught up to that he realized he needed to make one
old marlin
he rarely does
craggy belfry
I feel before gappy knows anything about himself, and after we find everything out, I feel there was something, like it was going in a different direction, then Araki made it flow somewhere else along the line
old marlin
dont quote me on this but i remember something about how Araki only knows and only plans the very beginnings of jojo parts and mostly makes it up as he goes
craggy belfry
I would 100 percent believe you
rotund haven
My question is why go back to morioh
Like sbr did so well cause it was really it's own thing
old marlin
i feel like it had something to do with how he shorted josuke in the original story
he probably felt he could've did DiU alot better
rotund haven
Diu was fine smh
Like think about the most popular parts
I'd say 3,5,7 unbiased
Maybe 4
old marlin
popularity doesnt equal quality
especially when it comes to artists and their own works
rotund haven
The point is that the new setting gives araki more to work with
And that's why the quality shows there and people like those parts
craggy belfry
I don't think setting is holding Araki back, I think Araki is holding Araki back
rotund haven
Huh
old marlin
Araki really has a problem with doing shit haphazardly and it really catches up with him every part
craggy belfry
Jojolion legitimately has one of the best plots but the way it's told and it's pacing is off and lack of planning ahead is really showing in Jojolion
because the plot is more intricate than every other part
craggy belfry
actually you know what I take it back it's not the planning ahead that's hurting Jojolion it's some of the fights being lackluster and large dips in the plot where it take forever for it go somewhere
I'm pretty sure he has it all in his mind and if he doesn't he stretches out arcs to help himself think of stuff
plus I think we need to remember Ripples of Adventure happened and he probably had to take time out of Jojolion to work on that
and if he did
it was worth it
rotund haven
or was it
But yeah you're right the events and shit surrounding jojos this past year has probably taken a lot of time from araki
old marlin
i didnt see it so i wouldnt know
rotund haven
Someone get this mans on track
craggy belfry
it was a huge art event that happened in japan a month or two ago
I haven't seen ALL the art for it but there was a nice panorama that's been everywhere that has what I assume are some of Araki's favorite characters to draw, given the choices he made
I"ll send that rn let me find it
old marlin
ik what it was i just didnt see it apart from VA's announcement
i saw his newest DIO and Jotaro painting tho
that shit was lit
craggy belfry
alteast he doesn't look like a human in a suit anymore
old marlin
it was better that way
old marlin
yes
craggy belfry
excellent
also I personally don't like Jolyne in Araki's newest style, she looks to soft to pull of the badass face she used to do
everyone looked gorgeous and at their peak in Fly High with Gucci though
craggy belfry
I ain't saying she ain't cute
but before she could be cute and mean
she'd definitely really cute now
but TOO cute
old marlin
nah
just wait unti araki brings back mean fighting machine jolyne
this is my fav jolyne pic
sharp portal
Best Jolyne pic is ez, the ass shot
sharp portal
I'll PM you
white bison
Is jojolion good
white bison
Wow thanks
elfin mist
good, but with its flaws.
as all parts are.
story is wonky sometimes, and several elements go underused/unexplained
sharp portal
dang I'm having a hard time finding it
elfin mist
but definitely still enjoyable
craggy belfry
@white bison its decent, it has lot of good parts and a lot of slow parts, but the cast overall is extremely great, probably the best jojo cast so far, but many of them are heavily underused
araki often gets stuck in arcs they take too long in this part
white bison
If the characters are good that’s all I need
From what I’ve seen the whole thing feels surreal
elfin mist
it's definitely surreal, yeah.
a surprising amount of humor for a jojo part, as well.
craggy belfry
yeah she's pretty hot but have you ever seen Abbacchio
jolly mountain
Jojolion here I come !... next week because I have an essay to write about Diego
craggy belfry
he'd make good friends with Joshu, then finally
vague wasp
joshu would yell at gappy for doing the same fortnite dance as him
flat vale
"dad says it's my turn to do the floss"
vague wasp
josuke wins the fortnite and joshu gets pissed at him for it
parallels to josuke fucking up joshu when they first met
flat vale
Joshu the virgin of destiny
craggy belfry
Yasuho loves quadball
flat vale
Joshu could probably have any girl he wants because of clout, but he wants the one girl who don't give no fuck about clout
vague wasp
joshu has the smallest dick energy in the entire series
craggy belfry
Joshu has clout?
vague wasp
you can’t change my mind
craggy belfry
not even his own family likes him, I agree with Feline
he is the opposite of clout
he's that rich kid that's so ugly nobody will date him
but man he sure is a fun character
flat vale
Clout means having an influence, he has a shit ton of money which counts as influence
well his family has a shit ton of money but concept stands
craggy belfry
I doubt most girls would date him still, otherwise he wouldn't go to conventions looking at models or dressing like a
I actually can't think of a way to describe how he dresses
flat vale
I mean his dress code is definitely more of a jojoism than anything
kind owlBOT
@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 9 !
vague wasp
his hair looks like a folded paper
flat vale
at least I always perceived it as in world that's actually stylish for some reason
flat vale
The perception of what is and isn't stylish is always hard because johnny basically wore pajamas and a dewrag
with cowboy boots
craggy belfry
it's hard to tell in sbr since they don't live daily lives
it's obvious nobody likes Joshu though since his own family rejects him over some stranger
vague wasp
johnny wore a beanie in the 1840s
flat vale
I'm not arguing that people like Joshu, i'm just saying like dude can find him a gold digger or some shit
craggy belfry
you maybe right but they'd probably look like Damo
THEN AGAIN
people in Morioh have bad taste in general what was that Tom dude's name again
flat vale
poor tom
poor tom was like a super seducer, no money involved
Following the exciting get Daiya a boyfriend arc comes get Joshu a girlfriend arc
minor ore
craggy belfry
I was on a jojo 4chan thread and somebody gave a pretty good theory on who the flashback man at the beginning of Jojolion is that we don't know about yet
take a look
this is the man I'm referring in case you forgot about the scene. I think the only other possibility for him is that he's an early design for damo, but I feel Araki would clear that up
granite sedge
Calling it now, the fried chicken song will actually turn out to be a major clue about something.
rich depot
Which is the best food song? Fried Chicken or Pizza Mozzarella?
granite sedge
Also, I don't think we see a shot of Jobin in any amount of detail until about chapter 30, so I wouldn't rule Jobin out. Araki might've wanted to establish his existence before his design was fully determined.
Fried chicken > pizza mozzarella, honestly.
craggy belfry
so you think Jobin is going to have more involvement in Josuke's past?
what do you think will become of Kira's father then
granite sedge
Honestly? I don't think Kira's dad will even show up.
white beacon
just missing i guess
granite sedge
Kira is basically alt!Jotaro in terms of the family tree.
white beacon
i mean, even jotaro's dad was brought up, but he poof
granite sedge
Jotaro's dad never showed up.
craggy belfry
I wonder why it was brought up all at all then
Jotaro's dad was only brought up cause Araki just wanted to name each family member and justify the Kujo name
granite sedge
I mean, I wouldn't rule it out? Part 8 Kira is also alt!part 4 Kira, whose dad was fairly important.
It could honestly go either way.
white beacon
araki also prolly coulda just brought up kira's dad to justify the kira name
granite sedge
Having your protagonist technically be the alternate version of a past big bad is a pretty big deal, so that wouldn't surprise me.
craggy belfry
well we know there would be a Kira anyway
the question is why he randomly inserts him into the family tree at volume 15
we could just automatically assume he's similar to his old universe counterpart without him having to be added but Araki went out of his way to do it
white beacon
some mangaka do that though
add a character into the character page of a certain volume, even though they don't do anything in the entire volume
rotund haven
Something I want to know is if Jojolion is supposed to be just a reimagining of part 4, why is there so much stuff going on
white beacon
yes it has part 4 parallels, but it also has parallels that aren't part 4, as well as original stuff altogether
like with how SBR is kinda like part 1 and part 3 in some aspects
so JJL isn't a reimagining of part 4, because that would need the basic make-up of what part 4 is, and give it a different story
while JJL is it's own story, with aspects of different parts, though mostly part 4
white beacon
not exactly
part 4's characters/villains are many and most are simply stand users that don't add much to the story at all, they simply exist
while jjl's characters/villains are directly connected to one of the main driving forces of the story, so they hold a place within the part
rotund haven
I disagree
Characters in jjl hold as much relevance to the story as much as any in part 4
They're there because the rokakaka/ gappy/kira
It's the same with part 4, they are here because the arrow/josuke/kira
white beacon
yeah but at least the ones in jjl give informtion directing to the rokakaka and stuff, while the ones in part 4 just become beat up
like, it's pretty much just reimi that drives the team into finding kira, and for the most part, it's kira's faults that get them closer to him
rotund haven
I'd say villains in jjl are placeholders most of the time
The level of 'information' we get from them is "The rokakaka is special, you got no idea"
Just like in part 4, they aim to eliminate josuke and that's really that
But in part 4 it's at least giving flavor to the town and it's citizens
Villains in jjl serve their purpose of wasting time and die right after
white beacon
hmm, i guess. but at least they are directly connected and not just, gonna kill josuke for no reason for the main villain
i still don't think it's a reimagining tho
rotund haven
Would you consider the characters reimagined
white beacon
some i guess, but for the most part, i'd say they are their own characters, since they also take some aspects from different characters
rotund haven
In terms of the heart of p4, if say it's a reimagining
craggy belfry
OK here's my 2 cents:
Araki's reimaginings are only really call backs and he wants to do his own things with the new parts otherwise the plot wouldn't be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from part 4
only thing similar is that the villain is in the shadow hidden
rotund haven
It's taking an old property, using it's titles, and putting a new spin on it
The story and characters might be different in ways, but the main ideas are still there
A reimagining
craggy belfry
what are the main ideas of part 4
in my eyes the main ideas are a disturbance in a small town and the golden heart of Morioh
rotund haven
Morioh and it's people, mystery, kira, josuke
craggy belfry
you can basically throw out that second one when it comes to part 8 though
It doesn't really focus on Morioh's people outside of the Higashikata's and the 2 people Kira meet and his mom
in fact the only reason anything is really centered in Morioh now is because Jobin was smuggling in fruit to make money for the higashikata fruit company
rotund haven
Considering just how many higashikata family members there are now, they're just replacing the citizen aspect
It's only affecting the ones who know about the trade
Just like how kira only affects people he's come into contact with
The story is different but the properties remain the same
quiet zodiac
This Kira family-insertion thing is kinda weird
old marlin
No
minor ore
oh
flat vale
you gotta ignore the driveby stoners
minor ore
yeah man fr
rich depot
Yo when does the next chapter come out?
rich depot
Jojo Lion is my favorite jojo
minor ore
the great jojo lion
stark fossil
Time wise it's lasted longer than SBR now I believe
But I don't think it's at the same number of chapters
It doesn't feel like it's gonna wrap up any time soon; I think there are at least two years to go
minor ore
damn
granite sedge
People ask how old Jotaro is?
Fools.
Jotaro Kujo is immortal.
Except that one time when he wasn't.
flat vale
you mean the time he ate shit super hard because he refused to train his STRONGEST STAND IN MU to stop time for extended periods of time
twin peak
Ok
So what da hell is rock man
And does they share some similarities between pillar men?
white beacon
the only similarity they share with the pillar men is that they can go into a stone-like state for extended periods of time
if you've read this part, you wouldn't be asking that question
white beacon
well, then i guess you'll have to hold out on questions too unless you're okay with us spoiling big stuffs, cuz araki ain't ending this anytime soon
twin peak
I starting read jojo parts with good main villains
That’s why i started reading Stardust crusaders
Then Diamond is unbreakable
And then Steel ball run
And then Vento Aureo
And Stone ocean
I hope this time main villain is gonna be as good as his predecessor
white beacon
i hope there isn't one
twin peak
You know it would be cool if this would be the owner of speed king
stark fossil
Hehe
JoJonium is the name of the newest re-releases of the previous manga parts
I think they're hardback and have some author notes and other extras
JoJolion is just the name of Part 8
cerulean ridge
i'm about 60 chapters into jjl and i'm already beginning to feel scared about yasuho because i love her and i don't want her to eventually get the jobro treatment
stark fossil
best gril :'(
versed crown
sad
cerulean ridge
also i think i would actually die if jousuke and yasuho don't end up together by the end of jjl
flat vale
Bring that back
versed crown
yeah they even told us her size
stark fossil
You're not a true Yasuho cosplayer unless you get surgery and get her exact measurements
stark fossil
Do you cover yourself in beetroot juice before or after you wrap yourself up in maps
flat vale
Are you really a Yasuho cosplayer if your dad doesn't leave you for another family
flat vale
Skipping parts means you get hit by darts
craggy belfry
its just me being sexy
twin peak
What
craggy belfry
youuuuuuu heard me
twin peak
I saw this
frozen harness
Softo ando weto
cyan sierra
joshu did nothing wrong
ripe marlin
^
Joshu is the iggy of part 8
Everyone thinks hes a lazy pos but he has reasoning behind every shit thing he does
old marlin
I hope Joshu gets kicked to death like iggy
But instead of doing something valiant like iggy he just dies like the pig he is
rotund haven
He's a good boy
craggy belfry
Joshuu is like
4th or 5th best character in Jojolion
he also has the best fanbase
old marlin
I hate how the person who made that jojoke put key words in [brackets] because it’s so accurate that it hurts me
white beacon
not gonna delete that but uhhhhh, please try not to post jojokes of any kind here
stable thorn
yashuo is litteraly the best female character araki has ever created
rotund haven
I don't get why people like yasuho
flat vale
same
stable thorn
she's a good character that's why
summer tree
what is the worst fight in Part 8
knotty sigil
Blue Hawaii 😐
hollow heart
rich depot
Ah yes, we all love her
No way you can't
No, lemme put it in a different way
You are subhuman if you don't think Yasuho is best girl
slow cobalt
ew
foo fighters best "girl"
but if were talking actual females
then its lucy steel
dusky geyser
Pregnant with Jesus, therefore Lucy is holy.
outer palm
past parts too
since this is the most recent part of jojo i would imagine most of the chatting is done here
is that correct?
craggy belfry
sometimes, but not usually
dusky geyser
You can talk about the past parts, just don't focus on them too much.
outer palm
is #jojo-overall-discussion the 'all parts' channel?
craggy belfry
^^^^
flat vale
Daiya best girl
dusky geyser
Yasuho best girl fight me.
rotund haven
The only thing interesting or useful about Yasuho is her stand, oof
old marlin
She’s just cute
flat vale
The virgin Yasuho vs the Chad Daiya
rich depot
Look the only thing Daiya has are her "personalities"
Yasuho has substance to her character
like teenage problems
daddy issues
is actually legal
flat vale
Daiya has mommy problems ™
rich depot
Daiya can't even see her mommy
Meanwhile Yasuho can use Paisley Part to see every aspect of your life
flat vale
At least Daiya can handle her own shit without even being able to see Yasuho gotta wait on Josuke to save her
rich depot
Vro
Yasuho saved Josuke when he couldn't control himself in the Dolomiti fight
Meanwhile Daiya was about to literally rape josuke after mind raping him
flat vale
Yeah and Rohan almost killed three children before he team swapped what's your point, just wait for it the true best girl Karera will come to light when she finally enters another chapter
rich depot
Yeah, I can agree that Karera has potential
The whole thing where the enemies randomly becomes friends with the main cast really bothers me
Atleast part 3 had DIO fleshbuds
But with DiU it's just kinda like "Wow I lost, let's be best friends"
especially with Koichi and Yukako
Boi think you your big head not your little one. She literally kidnapped and tried to kill you
flat vale
Koichi hit her with that BEGONE THOT and he kept her because she stuck around I guess?
rotund haven
Koichi is into that
flat vale
Maybe he wasn’t into it until after he knew what her stand was
slow cobalt
if only my partner was into that
flat vale
The hair or the crazy?
flat vale
flat vale
Yeah like tucking in your loved one
craggy belfry
which one is yasuho
twin peak
Idk
craggy belfry
are you sure one of them is Yasuho
granite pelican
bro are u blind? yasuho is in the castle my dude
granite pelican
see?
craggy belfry
gosh how did you spot her all the way over there
knotty sigil
is that sorbet and gelato
twin peak
I don’t know
knotty sigil
Josuke needs these.
flat vale
or you could just sleep under the mattress duh
stark fossil
Steal the mass of the mattress and put it on the blanket duh
white beacon
steal a lot of random mass and put it on shirt
stark fossil
For ages I've been wondering why Josuke doesn't just steal the enemy's mass and flick them away
flat vale
Josuke used his power to steal Joshu's GF
stark fossil
Josuke just steal the enemy's Stand smh
white beacon
josuke just steal the whole enemy
stark fossil
AU Vanilla Ice
white beacon
josuke can do a whole lot of stuff with his bubbles
but i guess he doesn't really use it much unless needed
stark fossil
You'd think Araki would have learned by this point to publish an official 19 page document precisely defining the abilities of each Stand
Unless needed, or he's shaving
white beacon
i mean, the closest we have are the artbooks and misc stuffsfrom the jojoniums and re-realeases
rich depot
IT IS I, ENTIRE HORSE
flat vale
JOBIN LET US TEAM UP FOR MY STAND *** SUCKS ASS ***
OH NO I CANNOT SHOOT JOSUKE AS HE HAS REMOVED MOMENTUM FROM MY BULLETS WITH HIS STAND
knotty sigil
the shaving gag he did doesnt even make sense cause I remember reading he isnt able to use his bubbles on himself
rotund haven
The hairs are now separate from himself dummy
flat vale
araki and inconsistency/potholes are two things that must always exist
rich depot
Emperor Requiem would probably be an atomic bomb
rotund haven
Uh, like Josuke's blood reverting in p4
uncut spruce
Emperor requiem just has a tiny scope
red flume
emperor requiem is a gun license
grizzled pilot
gun 2
versed crown
2 ar-15s
craggy belfry
Joshu is underrated
flat vale
Two guns two guns two guns
minor ore
Jojolion be like four ball run
craggy belfry
more ammo on him than Gyro
I once saw this dummy who played all star battle and skipped to Jojolion because Josuk8 was his favorite character then complained on a forum that it was boring
people kept telling him to read other parts and he said "no" or something
wait nevermind he found it again then he decided to go to DiU next
flat vale
should have been five balls, would have been funnier and made less sense
queen elm
Well yeah but there’s an actual point to having four and not five or three (although I guess three would have worked)
flat vale
okay fine the man should have had seven testicles
kind owlBOT
@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 10 !
rotund haven
2 dicks
flat vale
TWO DICKS
rotund haven
Gappy the pornstar
queen elm
Just like a snake
rich depot
Yo if Yasuho had a kid would it be Kira's or Josefumi's
white beacon
it would be josuke's
rich depot
But like do the two sets of balls have the same DNA or na
I day nah, because I guess that part of his body wasn't perfectly fused
flat vale
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
vague wasp
it’s bad and cursed that josuke having 4 balls is actually like a major plot point
summer tree
I like how it's the cliffhanger for Chapter 1
imagine somebody jumping into Part 8
not knowing about Parts prior
"Well, let's look at this new manga"
"HE HAS 4 BALLS"
"..."
"I don't wanna read this anymore"
vague wasp
2x2 balls
rotund haven
Fusion sperm
flat vale
Well in theory it would just be either josefumi or Kira’s kid because that shit be separate
So josuke can’t actually have kids of his own if we treat him as a third person
Wait are all the part 8 stands named nut because josuke has four balls
grizzled pilot
yes
versed crown
Vitamin nut
white beacon
there's only one stand with "nut" in its name in all of jojo
summer tree
Who's the worst character in Part 8
versed crown
No one 
opal jungle
Me
granite sedge
That picture took five years off my life.
white beacon
what
granite sedge
Minion Joshu is cursed.
flat vale
BEGONE MINION
rich depot
Cause 2x2 balls
short sonnet
imagine how hard drawing 4 balls in 1 sack can be
and araki would also have to draw the dick
flat vale
Imagine having to draw four balls and two dicks, and you get paid good money for it
rich depot
rich depot
I JUST NOTICED THAT CHAPTER 80 is out
craggy belfry
wait what
craggy belfry
hold the front door
is that the chapter that came out recently or did a new one get released early
rich depot
It probably came out last month lol
craggy belfry
have you seen Awaking III Leaves yet
rich depot
I just haven‘t checked until now
Uhh
The last thing I remember is the magic abortion cliff hanger
"What was exchanged“
craggy belfry
ok yeah then you on last month's
rich depot
Lol ok
pallid summit
flat vale
The good ole berserk mentality
opal jungle
Nut in my king carl
flat vale
carl
limpid veldt
versed crown
"Yo josuke get the fuck off the car or ill run you over"
white beacon
norisuke: goddamnit, josuke's on the car again
quiet zodiac
Life is hard you know (oh whey oh)
So strike a pose on a Cadillac
rocky charm
Yasuho looks disgusted at Josuke on the car
white beacon
"great, his four balls are now imprinted on the hood"
rotund haven
The real main cast of jojolion
versed crown
Yes
rich depot
I like how the mystery of the secret room was just that the family was related to Johnny
Oh and apparently that threat that Kyo gave to Yasuho was completely forgot about
craggy belfry
I'm pretty sure Araki changed where he was going with the story
atleast with the Higashikata's
rich depot
Can‘t wait for them to fix that when the anime comes out in 2095
craggy belfry
well that was quite a huge part of the beginning so I"m not sure how they will
craggy belfry
maybe, but Araki seemed to purposely retcon that with Jobin
there have been moments where he is shown to directly conflict with Norisuke and he is the reason this is happening for the most part
rich depot
Hmmm
That‘s a good point
I guess the threat could be Kyo just trying to protect Yasuho from the rock people
But that‘s just a theory
~~ an ANIME theory ~~
flat vale
No matt pat's in this chat
ANIME THEORY!!!! WHY DO JOTARO SAY IT'S HIGH NOON TO DIO!?!??!?! Was it a reference to in part 8 when the alternate version of himself gets fused with Kira?!??!
I can't wait to give my copy of Jojolion to the pope
rotund haven
funny
Jobin is the antagonist
He's literally the only recurring character in jojolion that remains in conflict with josuke
I think on several occasions he conscripts people to go after josuke
craggy belfry
and he's fuckn awesome
rotund haven
"You're only human, after all"
craggy belfry
Jojolion: Best cast, good plot, less than desirable pacing
craggy belfry
Vitamin C and Killer Queen > Beetle Arc > Milargo Man
rotund haven
flat vale
Eh, I doubt Jobins hidden power is much of an upgrade from what he currently has which makes him being main villain difficult
summer tree
RATE PART 8 OUT OF 10
craggy belfry
8
vague wasp
what happened to those pictures at kira's house at the beginnign
like
they were just there and never expanded on
vague wasp
yea
craggy belfry
what pictures
rocky charm
^
craggy belfry
the ones of women?
rocky charm
The BDSM pics?
craggy belfry
those were the funfunfun guy
rocky charm
That guy made it clear he took those to frame Kira
craggy belfry
yeah I don't think a lot of people payed attention to that arc
vague wasp
oh