#jojolion | JoJo's Bizarre Adventure | Page 14

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:23 AM

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When Johnny lose the corpse and he's just there with gyro all depressed, it's like the best scene in the whole thing.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I agree with that

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but still, we had so many factions going after the corpse, and then it was just Valentine going after the corpse

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Valentine, Johnny, and Diego

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Yeah, I felt that valentine kind of got shoehorned in.

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But he was still an awesome villain, so much so he wasn't really evil to began with.

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Diego was villain to rekindle the Jonathan and Dio that will always be fate.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Valentine was definitely evil, but I felt Araki really only added in his evil scenes to solidify that, because his cause was mostly noble

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it really depended on what he would do with the corpse in the aftermath

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in the end he really DID need to get the corpse cause every other nation was after it

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whether he hid it underground or abused its power is another story

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:28 AM

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He was jut as evil as Johnny in that way.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:28 AM

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He was a bit worse

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then again

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Wanting to take something for his own gain, he just used more extreme measures.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:28 AM

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yeah you're right they were kind of on even ground but its so iffy

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because johnny would often act selfish for the corpse but he acted like a normal human being in every other scene

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Valentine acted like a normal human until like that 20 chapter span where Araki wanted to make him seem as evil as possible so he attempted to rape lucy, said he didn't care about his wife's death, killed a man on the ship for no reason, and tried to kill johnny in the end

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well actually that last one is an outlier, I need to reread those parts to see what else he did

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Johnny was just determined to kill for his goal when everyone else was just as determined

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Valentine did unnecessary things that weren't even apart of his goal

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:31 AM

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up until the attempted rape, he was just a really out going president

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:32 AM

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Why did he wanna rape her?

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Oh yeah, I remember.

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To rebirth the corpse.

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:32 AM

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yeet

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:32 AM

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Wow that's really fucked.

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Araki the mad lad.

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Still not most disturbing thing he wrote.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:32 AM

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I agree with takatsuki, that's why I call it like a 20 chapter span, Araki really only added it in to solidify that he was evil and not johnny just being an asshole

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:33 AM

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there's still so many people on the fence about him actually being a villain too

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:33 AM

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I mean yeah, but it's still be relationship since they're both selfish over something very scared.

kind owlBOT Oct 25, 2018, 6:33 AM

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@agile fiber, Your Gangstar cred is now level 1 !

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:33 AM

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dunno, i like valentine a lot

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:33 AM

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If I remember correctly he was trying to get her to admit who she was and then he wanted to rape her anyway

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I love Valentine as well, just not that scene

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:34 AM

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didn't bother me really, it's just kind of a cheesy way to try and make someone evil

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:34 AM

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yeah I agree

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that's why I didn't like it

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every scene where he was made to be evil wasn't really in his overall character

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it was a span of time to make him seem like that

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:34 AM

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It's pretty extreme but it shows something about his mindset in wanting to take what he thinks his rightfully his.

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:35 AM

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ya, i feel like without forcing something in, people wouldn't have viewed him how they do

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Which ties into the corpse.

agile fiber Oct 25, 2018, 6:35 AM

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well

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:36 AM

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that's why I say we should have continued to see the other factions going for the corpse because then you forget almost every other nation in the world was also trying to divert misfortune to everyone else as well and he was completely justified to go after it

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We really only saw Germany and Naples, but its obvious there would've been other factions

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it's just Araki drifted away from that

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:37 AM

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Well if focused too much on that, it derail into a war manga.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:38 AM

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that's why it was under the guise of the race rather than everyone outright telling everyone else where the corpse was

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:39 AM

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I want Russian jojo now.

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I wanna see them dance.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:39 AM

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if you want a MEXICAN jojo instead RicePirate is making a motion comic on it

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Oh yeah that's a thing

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TBA

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:39 AM

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how long has it been on hold I barely learned about it recently

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:39 AM

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So many jojos are Japanese.

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Why not alien jojo from other space.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:40 AM

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cause joestar bloodline...

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:41 AM

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I mean at this point, kira is joestar

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So it's not impossible.

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Araki thinks the globe is just America, Italy, Germany, sea

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:42 AM

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Holly Joestar-Kira

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its the same as Kujo

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except Kira instead

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:42 AM

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But it's still a Joestar.

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I like how he isn't limiting himself anymore.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:43 AM

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Jolyne has sex with a martian for alien jojo

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:43 AM

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So maybe.

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What if, joestars are from the stars.

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omg that'd be mind fuck for part 9

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Like ufo ending silent hill level weird.

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:44 AM

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I find it wierd that the higashikatas arent the ones with birthmarks

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:45 AM

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I mean, they've got like a brand though.

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:45 AM

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they never have been

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josuke(both universe) is the only one with a star birthmark

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Didn't kira have one.

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Or am I forgetting something?

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Oh shit, he never did.

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Well that's bizarre

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:47 AM

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nothing are you okay

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:48 AM

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Idk I just perceive the higishikatas as a family of jojos by now

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Joshuu is a jojo

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:48 AM

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no he isn't

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:49 AM

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I'm fine.

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I forget stuff, I just read all of part 8 recently.

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I was putting it off.

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Funny since I started with part 1 back in 2005

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Cause he's got the jo from higashikata

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:49 AM

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I was introduced to series through library.

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:49 AM

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Highashikata's don't have a mark cause they aren't descendants of Johnny, they're the descendants of Johnny's wife's father

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:50 AM

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Johnny is mad lad

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:50 AM

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@rotund haven There's no "Jo" in Higashikata

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:50 AM

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Tbh he was such amazing character, literally redeem himself by saving his fam.

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:50 AM

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the other "Jo" Josuke has is in "Suke"

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:51 AM

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Josuke more lke jokesuke

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 6:51 AM

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OK JOSUKE IS COOL

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but not josuke4

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he's cool-ish

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:52 AM

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Josuke in part 4 is sweet boi.

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Josuke 8 is cool character.

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:52 AM

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Oh

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I guess I have bad memory

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:52 AM

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Hasn't done anything amazing to put him that like, god tier list yet.

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Joshuu is a joestar in spirit

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 6:56 AM

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Joshuu is like Johnny junior but more perverted.

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:15 PM

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where was it stated that S&W got some of KQ's abilities?

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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soft and wet got the bubbles

ripe marlin Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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Ive yet to see anything

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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uhh

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S&W always had bubbles

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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I thought he could take stuff away but didn't have bubbles

ripe marlin Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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Nah

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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he had bubbles when he was grafting the rokakaka, pretty sure

ripe marlin Oct 25, 2018, 1:16 PM

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The stealing is new

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Snw is more combat based now

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Whether thats due to KQ idk

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But his bubbles took the offensive lost fusion

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:17 PM

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the original was "absorption" basically a weaker plunder

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kinda a lame upgrade lol

ripe marlin Oct 25, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Idk man

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Steaking all the water in someones body?

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 1:18 PM

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didn't josefumi plunder that seasoning during the noodles bit?

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with bubbles

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:18 PM

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yea, that was just absorption, apparently

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cuz it didn't completely remove everything, idk

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🤷

summer tree Oct 25, 2018, 1:19 PM

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Like I was kind of disappointed that Soft and Wet was mostly the same beforehand

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I expected a stand that was different

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And would make sense to create Soft and Wet

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By the designs of Killer Queen being half of it

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:20 PM

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kinda makes you wonder if Josuke just haven't really unlocked its full potential, doesn't it?

summer tree Oct 25, 2018, 1:20 PM

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And the other stand being half of it

ripe marlin Oct 25, 2018, 1:21 PM

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SofT aNd WeT iS kInG cRiMsOm

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:21 PM

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gahd

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please gimme something original

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i mean, S&W is pretty original and I love its design

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but if it has an "ultimate" form, please let it be original

summer tree Oct 25, 2018, 1:22 PM

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Let's see past ultimate forms

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Star Platinum: The World

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Gold Experience Requiem

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And Tusk Act 4

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So you have a

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2/3s chance of something good

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 1:23 PM

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tusk act 4 was pretty unique and so was GER

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so you should be safe

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 1:23 PM

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did Star Platinum even change

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couldn't tell

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 1:24 PM

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he didn't, Jotaro just discovered its ability

summer tree Oct 25, 2018, 1:45 PM

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📎 Face.png

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This man's face from the newest chapter

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What is his face trying to convey

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 1:45 PM

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I do not remember Hank Hill being there

summer tree Oct 25, 2018, 1:46 PM

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He was there lol

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There was also this bit

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📎 EMPORIO.png

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WOAH GUYS HOLY SHIT IS THAT EMPORIO IS HE GONNA TELL JOSUKE THE SECRETS THAT THIS IS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE OF MADE IN HEAVEN AND THE UNIVERSE

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/s

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Aaaaaaaaaaa

flat vale Oct 25, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Emporio got leg enlargement surgery

stark fossil Oct 25, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Idk if Josefumi not absorbing all the pepper was a drawback of his power or whether he just wanted a bit of pepper on his food

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I was using a pepper grinder on my food last night and I twisted the wrong way and the whole thing exploded and my dinner was covered in peppercorns

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I'd have given anything for his power at that point

summer tree Oct 25, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Rate Yasuho out of 10

stark fossil Oct 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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26

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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18

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(is that yasuho's age? i dunno i forgot)

stark fossil Oct 25, 2018, 6:51 PM

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I thought 19

white beacon Oct 25, 2018, 6:52 PM

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whichever

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so long as it's above 10

flat vale Oct 25, 2018, 7:29 PM

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I don't like where this is going

granite sedge Oct 25, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Yasuho's 9/10. More or less the best jobro.

wet escarp Oct 25, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Ehem

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Speedwagon

granite sedge Oct 25, 2018, 9:18 PM

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As great as Speedwagon is, he's still in part 1.

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That only gets him so far.

wet escarp Oct 25, 2018, 9:19 PM

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He and dio are the absolute best characters in the part

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Also Speedwagon is best girl

granite sedge Oct 25, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Speedwagon is definitely best part 1 character. He's a good man.

rotund haven Oct 25, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Part 9: A dog gets caught under the ground where johnny is buried and becomes a dog joestar

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The epitome of bizarre

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Hello calm chat.

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What's up with jojo discussion today?

flat vale Oct 25, 2018, 9:47 PM

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If speedwagon were a girl I would marry him

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get you someone who believes in you like speedwagon believes in Johnathan

minor ore Oct 25, 2018, 9:47 PM

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I find it funny that speedwagon made the joestars super rich.

stark fossil Oct 25, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Oh wait there is a Shrek reference in JJL

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Dolomiti lives alone in a swamp and represents how Shrek could have been if he had rejected his destiny

flat vale Oct 25, 2018, 11:54 PM

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If I were a logic teacher i'd fail you

craggy belfry Oct 25, 2018, 11:59 PM

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you all saying speedwagon was best part 1 character like Dire didn't exist

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 12:17 AM

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it's upsetting

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although Part 8 isn't over

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there have been no references to either

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Speedwagon

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or Dio

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and all 7 parts reference the both of them

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:24 AM

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I legitimately don't know how Araki could continue on with the Brando bloodline

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Speedwagon on the other hand, the only explanation for that would be headcanoning that the SWF isn't as big as it was in 1890

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Diego could've had illegitimate kids.

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:25 AM

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but in reality the only real reason SPW isn't there anymore is because it doesn't hold relevance to the Joestars in the SBR universe

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Probably did.

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:25 AM

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if he did, they have no beef with the joestars

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Johnny didn't kill him, and nobody knows how he died either

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Speedwagon Foundation could still come back but it would be more like a callback

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Araki kind of blew his chance to bring them back because he didn't put Holly in a Speedwagon hospital

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UNLESS

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He decides to introduce the foundation with a team of stand users investigating the Rock Humans

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that would be neat but I don't think that's gonna happen

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watch Rai be a Speedwagon agent

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Considering that the original purpose of the SPW is to progress medicine, science, general advancements in human technologies, it would make sense for them to show up as doctors in Jojolion

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Except we've seen literally nothing from them other than that they're a mining company in steel ball run

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 1:03 AM

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that's why its a missed opportunity for Holly to not be in a Speedwagon Hospital

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WHAT IF

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nah nevermind that's dumb

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 1:48 AM

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yeah I really liked the part when dire's signature attacked failed BOTH times we saw it

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 1:51 AM

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stop denying that Dire is epic

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Dire is polnareff who sucks

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Dire is polnareff on steroids but Araki scrapped him because he didn't want Dire to beat Dio in one move 😎

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 2:10 AM

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or the part when Johnathan just headbutt him and beat it

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Araki just showing how noble Jonathan was 😎

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and how Dire was testing him 😎

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 2:21 AM

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I love the pink hair girl in part 8

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I forgot her name though.

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 2:23 AM

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How DARE you

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menacingrohan

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 2:23 AM

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It's hard name to remeber

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;-;

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Okay

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Write this down

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Fe

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male

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 2:24 AM

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ya

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Koichi

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 2:24 AM

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su

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ho

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YASUHO

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Yasuho... oh

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I just checked.

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It's literally yasuho from part 4

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I feel like she is reincarnation of reimi

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 2:31 AM

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WHAT

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 2:33 AM

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It'd make sense.

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Thunder Cross Split attack is unbeatable you fool

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 3:22 AM

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spell it right though

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Female Koichi

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 3:37 AM

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How do you forget Yasuho?

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Very Easily DiegoDrink

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Just like her dad

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 3:55 AM

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@flat vale, Your Gangstar cred is now level 8 !

white beacon Oct 26, 2018, 4:12 AM

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omg zoj

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Araki explaining evolution "2011"

📎 Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_9.23.10_PM.png

white beacon Oct 26, 2018, 4:25 AM

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so are we to assume that cows snakes and squirrels are our own descendants?

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 4:28 AM

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I can’t believe josukes and yashuos real parents are monkeys, quite a plot twist

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Monkeys either become humans are rock people, fascinating

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Sometimes monkeys become stand users whose stand is a boat as is shown on the left

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I bet female koichi despite having no combat capabilities could beat dire in a fight

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 4:55 AM

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So the vitamin c arc is like heavy weather

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It's got the aoe ability that turns people mushy when you touch the fingerprints

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It gives a nice flashback and revelations on josuke

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Weather is prototype gappy?

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🤔

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 AM

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So I asked someone I'm getting into Jojo who they thought was the part 8 villain, and showed them a few of the candidates. Going purely by design, they said it was Jobin.

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I showed them Kaato, Jobin, and Holly.

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They're only in part 5, and I provided zero context beyond Kaato being Jobin's mom.

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Which isn't exactly an earth-shattering revelation.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 11:27 AM

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sorry to be pedantic but quite a few villains in jojo arent villains, theyre anatgonists

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part 1 dio, part 6 pucci, part 7 valentine and i think jobin falls into the same category

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of having distorted but logical and understandable ideals

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but its thier actions that are questionable

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 11:31 AM

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wait, what

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how was part 1 Dio not a villain

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 11:32 AM

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ok pre vampire dio

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like afterwards he was just a dick

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but he had a poor upbringing and a personality that was relatable and understandable for someone in his situation

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 11:32 AM

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I was about to say, Dio was the most villainous villain we've ever had

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I also disagree there, since he could've changed hearts when the joestars took him in

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he wanted to be on top of the world and crush everyone beneath his feet

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 11:33 AM

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like you can relate to part 1 dio more than kars, or diavolo, or even part 3 dio

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all he knew were people who took advantage of one another

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he couldnt trust anyone especially his fater

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he wanted to be on top because of his proud nature and to never experience humiliation or defeat again

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im not saying most people would do what he did, but there are people in this world like thats and its understandable

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Being understandable doesnt make them NOT villains

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Pucci straight up murders the world and valentines action would lead to mass death

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 12:02 PM

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no pucci resets the world so that humans can take control of thier fate

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and valentine wants his country to be prosperous, to take the first napkin, to set an example of a poweful country

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pucci wanted everyone to know thier future so they could make the right decisions

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valentine wanted his countrymen to be the best in the world

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Okay but in reality

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It's just mass genocide

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The ends DONT justify the means they ARE villains

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:11 PM

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Pucci didn't actually kill when he achieved his goal, aside from Jolyne's group, but he did kill people to get there

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however they are all alive

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what's fucked up about Pucci's goal (which is really subjective) is that they are subject to knowing everything that happens to them

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there's basically no point in living after that and it kills people spirits if they'll only ever amount to so much

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it takes away free will

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Valentine is only fucked up considering the corpse reverts all that happens away from the United States

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if the corpse does not move all misfortune away from the United States, and only makes it more prosperous instead then he was completely justified in having his goal

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Both Pucci and Valentine murk people because they think they're right

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:15 PM

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yeah most of Valentines shit I feel was added to solidify he's a villain cause if we only had his goal then he would look like a saint compared to johnny

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cause they both do the same shit

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 12:16 PM

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True

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Valentine was justified going after the corpse anyway since other nations were after it

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 12:17 PM

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imo valentines ambitions were more justified than johnnys

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 12:17 PM

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Dammit it all seems wrong everyone is evil

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 12:18 PM

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thats what i love theres grey areas in each part

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:18 PM

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what he used it for is a different story, which we never actually see and I think it was pretty vague on what would actually happened. We all believed it would revert misfortune to other nations, but what if it didn't do that?

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can the corpse even do something like that?

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 12:18 PM

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its equivalent exchange as we see in jojolion

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:18 PM

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I feel like that was added afterward

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 12:19 PM

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i mean johnny was killing people through love train which was a direct result of the corpse

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so to save valentines life someone else had to die

craggy belfry Oct 26, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Johnny was completely justified in trying to kill valentine though, some man is trying to kill him after he's going after his own goal and in the way he is attacked they are portrayed as acts of terrorism against his own country as johnny always calls the enemies "terrorists" and then with all that power he tries to get an extremely powerful artifact he can do god knows what with

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Johnny was in the same boat as us too cause he changed his mind about valentine after he found out his motivation

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he only killed him in self defense

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 2:07 PM

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does gyro zeppelli fortnite dance if he was alive today

grizzled pilot Oct 26, 2018, 2:28 PM

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📎 unknown-7.png

ripe marlin Oct 26, 2018, 2:47 PM

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@grizzled pilot #manga-jojokes

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I think you misclicked

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Oh wait

grizzled pilot Oct 26, 2018, 2:52 PM

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:/

cedar palm Oct 26, 2018, 3:24 PM

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wtf

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 3:24 PM

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@cedar palm, Your Gangstar cred is now level 2 !

cedar palm Oct 26, 2018, 3:24 PM

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i just read the recent chapter

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WHaT

white beacon Oct 26, 2018, 3:35 PM

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exactly my friend, exactly

old marlin Oct 26, 2018, 3:42 PM

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why does most of the jojolion chat consist of people talking about johnny in part 7

white beacon Oct 26, 2018, 3:43 PM

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because they can

old marlin Oct 26, 2018, 3:50 PM

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theres a thing called #steel-ball-run

white beacon Oct 26, 2018, 3:50 PM

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ehhh it's fine it's fine

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it started off with a topic that was aimed at part 8, but included an example from part 7

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though i do agree, it went a bit too extensive

old marlin Oct 26, 2018, 3:52 PM

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if you're fine with it i guess thats ok then

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 3:58 PM

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I mean my understanding of it is still like you can talk about anything part 8 and below I guess, even if not directly part 8

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Johnny is in a part 8 flashback anyways

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So Johnny discussions are in the clear

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Johnny is my favorite looney toons character

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 8:19 PM

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I wrote this another time

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But I'm starting to think Kaato is gonna be the main villain

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And her Stand is gonna be something akin to Gate of Babylon, if any of you watched Fate

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 8:30 PM

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woah woah woah slow down buddy, comparing jojo to other Anime's everything else is a jojo reference remember

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:19 PM

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JJL isn't done yet but boi, it's gonna be a shit ton of episodes that's for sure

grizzled pilot Oct 26, 2018, 9:21 PM

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hmmm... which part would be best suited to a movie/movie series adaption?

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we tried phantom blood once yeah but. we could try it again

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Phantom Blood is like the only one you could adapt easily as a movie

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Perhaps Battle Tendency as well

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But no other part could be adapted very well with a movie or series of movies

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Aside from the current Part 4 adaptation maybe?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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The thing is

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 9:38 PM

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@supple plaza, Your Gangstar cred is now level 4 !

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:39 PM

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We don't know what Kaato's Stand's rules are

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It could be something like D4C in which we don't understand how strong the ability is untill we see it in application

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Alternatively, Joubin could be the 'final boss'

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But Speed King would have to evolve, it's just too weak in its current form

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Well, too weak to qualify as a main villain's Stand

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I have a theory that Araki is tired of using Time-based Stands for main villains, so he's switching to the other side of the coin, which would be space. Valentine had space-related powers in that he could traverse between parallel dimensions and such

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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Agreed, space type stands are more likely

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:44 PM

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Kaato seems to have space-related powers in that she can 'store' things in pocket dimensions, it seems

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We're not exactly sure yet

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At first I was like "Nah no way that's final boss material"

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But then I realized

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Again

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Gate of Babylon

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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But we haven't seen much of it

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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That's the point

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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There could be so much more to it

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:46 PM

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We don't even know the name

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I doubt Araki would leave that hanging

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I sure fucking hope not

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I'm tired of Araki Forgot

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I love Araki but his memory really is his greatest enemy

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Yeah but his forgot moments were at an all time low in SBR

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Then they just came back a little in JJL?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Yeah if I remember correctly, there was a panel early in in the True Man's World arc in which Ballbreaker appears subtly in the background

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:50 PM

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It's honestly hard to tell what's a forget and what isn't until Part 8 is over

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Yeah we can't be sure of that

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Also fancy meeting you here MM

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The explaination I'm waiting the most is what in the goddamn are the wall eyes

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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(I've seen you around on here and I always miss you lol)

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Hopefully it'll be mentioned

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If Araki remembers that Mitsuba exists

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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NicoB server, dude

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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He can remember the wall eyes

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I know you're on the NicoB server lol

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Yeah your name felt familiar

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But whatever this isn't the place

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:52 PM

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I meant I always miss you on the Jojo server lol

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Weeeeell there has been I think one official case of Araki Forgot

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:53 PM

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is it Blue Hawaii?

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 9:53 PM

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@summer tree, Your Gangstar cred is now level 25 !

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:53 PM

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And it's Araki's classic 'I forgot what power I gave the main character'

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Oh you mean Soft & Wet

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:53 PM

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The whole stealing abstract things with bubbles?

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Gone after the first few arcs

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Not really gone, just not used I feel

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Same thing with the 'sensory overload' Golden Experience had

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Used in the Bruno fight and nowhere else

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I think there was no Araki Forgot moment in SBR

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Well tbf, I think for Part 5

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:55 PM

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But unless the stealing abstraction comes back around in the next few chapters, we can mark original Soft & Wet's ability an official Araki Forgot

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Araki just realized he made Giorno too OP

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Another mystsery in the early parts is the Mystery Man

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Yes blonde dude

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In Fun Fun Fun

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:56 PM

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/2/2b/Flashback.png/revision/latest?cb=20160103111617

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Yep, this one

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:56 PM

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But if Araki remembers Mitsuba, he's gotta remember this dude

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And Fun Fun Fun dude came back too

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:56 PM

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I've heard theories that he's supposed to be an early prototype of Jobin

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:56 PM

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I don't think anyone expected Araki to remember that Mitsuba was a thing and actually do something with her.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:56 PM

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But....in just a few chapters later, Jobin shows up and looks nothing like it

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Not really?

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Nooooo

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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That guy was in Fun Fun Fun, right?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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I get JoJolion is a monthly manga, but he can't have changed his design so suddenly and so soon

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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This is Fun Fun Fun

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Jobin didn't show up until like, what, chapter 32?

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Jobin is after I Am A Rock

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Oooh right

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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That's plenty of time to change the design like that.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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I think you're right, because Joubin is on like a trip

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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And it doesn't have to be Jobin

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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And comes back after I Am A Rock

knotty sigil Oct 26, 2018, 9:57 PM

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"every day is a summer vacation"

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:58 PM

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It could be someone from Josefumi's past we don't know about

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When you think about it

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:58 PM

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I've also heard theories that the Fun Fun Fun mystery man is a prototype Damo, but I'm not buying that one.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:58 PM

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We still don't know that much about Josefumi

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 9:58 PM

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The design is way too different.

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Mystery guy's design at least has some superficial similarities with Jobin.

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Jobin is certainly more believable

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Yeah, buuuut I have a gut feeling this isn't the case

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It's just weird it hasn't been brought up at all

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Even if it is Joubin, why does Josuke remember Joubin?

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I don't think Kira or Josefumi ever met him

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I feel like Araki has to write shit down

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Because he should be aware how bad his memory is at this point

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I think he does

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And forgets where his notes are

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:00 PM

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He's admitted in interviews

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Joking aside he probably had a lot of notes in SBR

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While in JJL he's more like 'eh it'll work out'

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Just a feeling

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JJL is definetly shaping up to be the longest part yet, though

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:00 PM

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It is

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:00 PM

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idk about y’all but it feels like jojolion has been going on for really long but nothing super duper important has happened

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:00 PM

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It's already longer than SBR

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Since SBR wasn't monthly from the start

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But JJL is

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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You're right in some way, Feline

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Things HAVE happened

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Araki said the plot is gonna converge after the hospital arc

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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But nothing major happened

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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yeah

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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God I sure hope so

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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So here's hoping we get something

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:01 PM

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it hasn’t gotten all that hype yet even after the plant dude came around

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what’s it called

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plant appraiser

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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The most major thing I felt happened was meeting the plant appraiser and Blue Hawaii

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Rai?

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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yeah

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even then it was just sort of

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Vitamin C was pretty big

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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adding another character to the story it felt like

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but I think that the plant appraiser will be hella importsnt later on

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Yeah Vitamin C was pretty much the mid-season final boss of the arc

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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that’s what they’re building up to right

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:02 PM

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The Akira of JoJolion, basically

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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yeah

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Yeah except Damo is better than Akira

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And Damo was way more important

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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I mean, in the end, all of JoJolion revolves around the Rokakaka

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And even then

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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well I mean yeah

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that’s the main goal

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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We still have no idea what the New Rokakaka does

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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get the rokakaka for whatever reason

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Or what the Rock Humans want with it

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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i forgot tbh

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was that ever stated

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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To heal HOlly

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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It doesn't help that rokakaka

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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oh yeah

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Was only given a day to grow

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But after Ozone baby

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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but was it ever told why the rock humans want it

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Araki turned it into TWO WEEKS

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Nope

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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and jobin is just a regular ass dude why’s he want it

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i forgot half of jojolions story

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Rock humans just sell it for profit

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That's all we know

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Not necessarily

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They sell the regular rokakaka for profit

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Jobin wants it to save Tsurugi

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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As basically scam artists

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Because of the higashikata family curse

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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But they ESPECIALLY want the New Rokakaka because it would benefit them in some way we don't know yet

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Also that

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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First born son gets all sick

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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We still don't know what the Higashikata Family Curse is or what caused it

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And then turns to stone

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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It stems from Johnny's child

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And is related to the holy corpse somehow

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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Hmm

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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man johnny realy did fuck all the shit up huh

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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No, I don't think it is

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 10:05 PM

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The curse is from the corpse

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Boom

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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why would the United States of america do this

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Remember, Johnny went to America to steal the Holy Corpse to HEAL the disease, which was on his wife, it was already there before the Holy Corpse arrived in Japan

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Idk

summer tree Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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They'll probably touch on it again at some point

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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It passed onto his child, and then with the Spin he passed it onto himself

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And then he died

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 PM

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The disease itself acts like ticket to ride

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As in side effects

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:07 PM

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what was ticket to ride again

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:07 PM

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I mean, I think it has to have something to do with the Rock Humans

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:07 PM

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i forgot all this shit

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Redirect all misfortune

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:07 PM

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ohhhh

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that one ok

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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I think the Hospital Arc will be the equivalent of the Cinderella arc in Diamond

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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@supple plaza, Your Gangstar cred is now level 5 !

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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The last arc before Big Shit happens

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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The rock humans are described as parasites

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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oh ya

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before it becomes big chungo arc

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:08 PM

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The Rock Humans can't integrate into society

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And even when they do tragey happens

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Example. Dolomite

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 10:09 PM

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He turned into a potato

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Where he accidentally caused his girlfriend to kill herself with his Stand

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We still don't know what they are or where they came from

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We just know they're silicone-based lifeforms and they just sort of hide in human society

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And apperently they're all connected in this big conspiracy

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:12 PM

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What I'm worried about is how the villain will tie into everything with the rock humans.

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Kaato has the most villain flags of anybody in Jojolion, but it's hard to imagine exactly how she's involved and why.

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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ya she’s shady

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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@vague wasp, Your Gangstar cred is now level 16 !

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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It's possible that there's going to be more than one main villain

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An ensemble or a duumrivate

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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i don’t think there’s really a main villain yet

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

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I'm personally expecting both Kaato AND Joubin to be the main villains, together.

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Mother and son and all of that

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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the closest we have to any main villain is joubin i think

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yea

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they’re working together aren’t they?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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We don't know, but it's likely

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The most likely motivation is trying to get rid of the curse once and for all

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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yeah

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Which is gonna make 'em some major anti-villains, that's for sure

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Since they're just trying to protect their family

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:15 PM

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At this point I can't see Jobin as the main villain. He's more of an anti-villain or a rival, kind of like Diego was.

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:15 PM

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mhm

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:15 PM

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The problem is

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If the main villain is someone we've never seen before

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The part is gonna last ast least a year or two longer just to build up the villain

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Kaato feels more menacing overall, she has an unknown spatial-manipulation Stand, and she came in at a very crucial point in the story.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:16 PM

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And then she just kinda fucked off

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:16 PM

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And we have no idea what she's been doing since we last saw her.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Exactly

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Everybody who has seriously interacted with her is more or less scared shitless of her.

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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m

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milf?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:17 PM

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The problem is we already know more or less what Joubin's backstory is

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And while he had a very troubled childhood

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It just doesn't feel like it would place him in main villain territory, not alone at least

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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didn’t he fuckin kill a guy

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Yes, by accident

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Honestly, it seems like Jobin has been written to be easily manipulated.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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And he was attempting to kill him

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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and then kaato was like “oh it’s chill ill help you hide the body”

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Kaato is definetly the one we know less about

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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He was described as a 'gopher' at one point, and Poor Tom completely tricked him.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Yeah, that too

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Jojo big bads are either cunning and strategic, or they have undeniable villainous presence, or both.

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And Jobin doesn't really fit either to me.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:19 PM

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I think the most likely candidates at this point are either: Kaato alone as the main villain, or Kaato and Joubin, with Joubin being manipulated by Kaato

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:19 PM

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it could be a new take on a villain

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doppio was a villain and wasn’t like super Big Evil Bad Man

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:19 PM

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I could see Jobin as the final boss, given that SBR's final boss wasn't the main antagonist, but I think Kaato is definitely pulling the strings.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:19 PM

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Doppio is a weird case

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The thing is

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I can't see him as a final boss either

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Unless the New Rokakaka or some other mcguffin gives him a stand evolution

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Because Speed King...isn't all that strong

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It's actually probably the weakest Stand in JoJolion

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Speed King is also portrayed as being quite mysterious though.

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There's a lot we don't know about it.

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We don't even have stats for it, and it was more or less outright stated Jobin wasn't showing all that he could do.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:21 PM

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What we know is that it can create heat, to what extent we don't know

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But it can cause people to pass out, for example he makes Yasuho pass out in the Blue Hawaii arc

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But it's either unable to be strong enough of a heat to kill someone, or he's intentionally holding back

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Considering how much he's been built up as a threat, I imagine it's probably the latter.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Yeah, but so far as it being portrayed, it's one of the weakest Stands

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None of the stands in JoJolion are particularly powerful, when you think about it

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Even S&W isn't even that powerful

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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the babys air pressure stand is pretty strong

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Oh right, Ozone Baby

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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We definitely haven't seen all that Speed King can do so far, and Kaato definitely has more tricks up her sleeve than just the thing with the cards.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Also: BORN THIS WAY?!

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Why hasn't that stand come back yet?!

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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And honestly? I wouldn't be surprised at all if King Nothing has more that we hadn't seen.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:23 PM

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like vitamin c and ozone baby are top 5 strengthwise in jojolion

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Like a lot of the HIgashikata Household's Stands we rarely see

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Wasn't King Nothing used like 50 chapters ago?

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IIRC?

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:24 PM

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i wish we saw more of nut king call

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Walking Heart didn't appear again after Damo

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Nut King Call is equally missing

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We don't even know what Kaato's Stand even is called

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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nut king call is the best stand name

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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I think Vitamin C was probably the Red Hot Chili Pepper of Jojolion, whereas Ozone Baby was the Killer Queen/Sheer Heart Attack.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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like nut king call has gold experience levels of potential

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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California King Bed has never been used again (But then again it's an extremely specific power)

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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what was nkc’s power again

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like, it takes off limbs and shit?

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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California King Bed is justified that it only got used once, since Daiya is pretty heavily handicapped and it's so ridiculously niche.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Creates nuts

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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CKB is a pretty poor stand even by jojolions standards

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:25 PM

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NUTS

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Nut King Call and Walking Heart have no excuse though.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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nut king call can combine anything

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Yeah Nut King Call can be either Sticky Fingers level of powerful, at least

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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and unscrew anything

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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nut king call had a big arc at some point right

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u saw its powers

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we

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rather

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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combining water and money

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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I'm fine with not seeing Nut King Call very much though, given how insufferable its user is.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Kyo too hasn't gotten a lot of screentime recently

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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pokuriGASM

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Recently?

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Kyo dropped off the face of the earth after Born This Way.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:27 PM

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@granite sedge joshu is bae

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:27 PM

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We got a big focus on Tsurugi though

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I think he's the Higashikata household member who has the highest screen-time, right below Joubin

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:28 PM

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do you think joshu will be useful at some point

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:28 PM

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If the Higashikata household members are gonna converge together into a full team

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It's probably gonna be after the hospital arc

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Especially now that Mitsuba has a Stand

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:28 PM

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I think they'll probably do something more with every Higashikata, since a confrontation with either Jobin or Kaato has been pretty heavily foreshadowed.

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Part of me feels like Mitsuba will side with Jobin, but she seems like she'll be an ally after this arc given how Yasuho has helped her out, and how badly the fruit fucked her over.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Y'know, despite Diamond being the 'mystery' part of JoJo, JoJolion is 300% more mysterious than Diamond ever was

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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in B4 we get diamond is unbreakable where the main villain only shows up in the last third

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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oh yeah definitely

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i don’t think that’ll happen because jojolion is really fucking long as is

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Jojolion is heavily flawed in places, but I do have to admit that it's a very interesting and compelling mystery.

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It's super fun to discuss and speculate about.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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There isn't a lot of whodunnit in Part 4 because the killer literally shows up after Reimi reveals there is a serial killer

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:30 PM

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I think it's definitely my favorite part to talk about.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Oh definetly

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Y'know, to be sad for a moment

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Part 4 pretty much had it be 'we know but they don't know' about the mystery.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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I don't think Araki will live to finish an eventual Part 9, if he ever does it

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Part 8 is more of a true mystery in that neither we, the viewers, nor the characters in-universe know the answers.

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Also, don't talk like that. Araki's only in his 50s, right?

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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he’s a vampire

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Yeaah I know but

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Can't help that pessimism

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:32 PM

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i thought part 4 was good withthe “you’re not my dad” shit

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:32 PM

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I'll try not to think about it too hard

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:32 PM

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He's definitely going to be done with Jojo after part 9, but I think he'll live to finish part 9.

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Three trilogies just feels like the natural way to end Jojo.

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The Dio trilogy, the Arrow trilogy, and the SBRverse trilogy.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:32 PM

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The Dio Arc, the Arrow Arc, and the ??? Arc

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:32 PM

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@supple plaza thats me with one piece

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like araki is a god, hell survive

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but oda is only like 2/3 through his story of currently 900 chapters

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but back to jojolion

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:33 PM

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Anyway

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I had a thought early on in JoJolion

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And that was 'What if Yasuho and Gappy fused together in the final part as a final powerup?)

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*"

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And I still think they COULD do that

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But I don't know if they should or would

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:34 PM

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oh fuck three way

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:34 PM

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We getting Steven Universe up in here

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:34 PM

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i mean explosion bubbles and stealing makes kinda sense

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but idk how trcking and remote control combined would worj

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work

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Yeaaah it's a heavily flawd idea

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I also had an idea that is stupid, but it was an idea a game indirectly gave me, the game being Xenoblade Chronicles 2

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Nice

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:36 PM

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And in that game, there's Blades, which are basically sentient weapons that are also sentient Stands

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Josuke and Yasuho fusing would be the weirdest thing.

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I mean, what kind of Stand would S&W plus Paisley Park even result in?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:36 PM

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And there's Rare Blades, which are unique Blades that do different things and have widlyly different design

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And common blades which look kinda the same

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So I was thinking

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Morioh gets invaded at the climax by a bunch of Stand-Users who use 'Generic Stands', who are really good at physical combat but aren't really goot at much else, effectively only being brute force

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Like full on invasion sequence

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:37 PM

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ooh

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:38 PM

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It sounds interesting, but it doesn't really feel 'Jojo' to me?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Yes I know

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 10:38 PM

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@supple plaza, Your Gangstar cred is now level 6 !

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:38 PM

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The main thing that gives my idea some validity is Yauho's monologue in Chapter 1 about the Wall Eyes

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"As if they're there to protect us from something coming from the sea" or something along those lines

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And at first I interpeted that as "SEA MONSTER"

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But "Army of Stand Users invading the city" sounds more JoJo than Chtulhu rising from the depths

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:39 PM

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rock humans?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Possible

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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I could see the Wall Eyes being the stage for the final battle.

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They grant Stands, don't they?

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Didn't the architect drown though

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so the Rock humans can't be coming out of the sea

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Not literally rising from the sea

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Maybe the villain uses the Wall Eyes to get a new ability or evolve their Stand.

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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O

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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As in, they invade from the sea

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With boats

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And ships

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Jojolion has a heavy focus on boats and ships

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Every Jojo villain either evolved during the battle, or tried to.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Kira being a ship doctor, for example

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Maybe whatever entity is leader of the Rock Humans decides to forgo the subtle parasitic living, and starts a war with humanity itself

flat vale Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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I leave for 10 minutes and come back to 150 new messages but when i'm actually here there's like 0

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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That's just a whack theory with no substance, though

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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speaking of ships, why did part 4 josuke have an anchor

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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I could see the leader of the rock humans appearing, but I don't see them being the main villain.

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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I mean, it does sound like the rock humans want to be more than decorations in hiding

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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araki couldnt have thought 4 parts ahead

rich depot Oct 26, 2018, 10:42 PM

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So I can see it happening

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Also we gotta remember then name of the part

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Maybe they turn out to be the second to last boss, the Vanilla Ice of Jojolion so to speak, but then the villain sneaks up on them and kills them once they're down?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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JoJolion

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Which comes from Evangelion

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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main dies

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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I could kind of see Kaato deciding that they had outlived their usefulness.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

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That would be a great way to do the full climax

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Stand users invade from the sea and are attacking Morioh, but the Wall Eyes do something to drive them away, maybe

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:44 PM

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Like, just when everyone in-universe thinks it's finally over, the true villain shows up and starts fucking everyone over.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:44 PM

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The leader shows up, having built up from chapters before, claiming they wage war on all of humanity

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What we think is the final battle begins, he's the thoughest enemy the group faced so far

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And then

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Boom, they kill him, it's over

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And then Kaato shows up and is like "Lol nope"

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:45 PM

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I can practically imagine her face during that, honestly.

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Do you remember the menacing look she gave Josuke in the chapter where she visited the Higashikata house?

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That panel was terrifying.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:45 PM

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One has to wonder just what she has stored in her Stand

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:45 PM

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📎 menacing_kaato.jpg

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Like, tell me that this isn't our big bad.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:46 PM

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It really looks like the Main Villain Face Araki tends to give

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Compare it to like Pucci and Valentine, for example

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:46 PM

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yo i wouldnt mind the zepellis comin in and being the villains

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Half-closed eyes

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Kinda pursed lips

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Looking down

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Yeah it's definetly a villain look

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:46 PM

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ya

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Araki doesn't usually devote that kind of detail to a panel unless it's something really important.

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Like, only really major moments get detailed close-ups like that.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Especially in the new art-style

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Yeah the more I think about it

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:47 PM

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hm! you are Right

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:47 PM

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The more it's likely that Kaato is the main villain, or at THE VERY VERY LEAST a late-game villain

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Well Kaato's return from jail was focused on.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:48 PM

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i thought it was jolyne

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when she was freed

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:48 PM

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I can imagine it: Josuke and Yasuho fighting Kaato in a ruined Morioh, half-destroyed by rampaging Rock Humans

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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i mean if its gonna be like the part 4 ending then its isnt the main jojo that deals the final blow

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Who's the Jotaro of the part though?

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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It would be incredibly ironic if Jobin was the one to ultimately take her down.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Yasuho is the Koichi, Joshuu is the Okuyasu

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Probably Norisuke.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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yeah im thinking jobin

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Maybe last-minute-betrayal

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Like "I won't be controlled by anyone anymore!" and attacks Kaato

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:50 PM

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isnt the born this way girl okuyasu

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she has nijimura in her nae

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:50 PM

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She has the last name but that's it

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:50 PM

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i mean joshu isnt exactly stupid

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Araki please hire me as your official ghost writer plox

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:50 PM

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hes just got a poor personality

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Norisuke=Jotaro, Jobin=Yuya(?), and Rai=Rohan

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Hmmm I don't know of Jobin is really the Yuya

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Norisuke taking Kaato down would be very satisfying, but I think we all know it's not happening.

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King Nothing is, at least for now, a weak Stand.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 PM

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It's highly likely that Kaato is going to kill Noriosuke

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Compare that with our probable main villain who's most likely absurdly overpowered.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Mark my goddamn words

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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Norisuke's had major death flags for way longer than we've known Kaato.

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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Kaato Stand name when?

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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YO what if joshu could unscrew and combine stands

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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After hospital arc, probably. @dusky geyser

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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like give S and W king nothing arm

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:52 PM

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Hmm, that would be a cool idea

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I just wonder what kind of power-up Kaato would get if she's the main villain

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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if joshu unscrewed a stand the person would also be unscrewed

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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I mean, a theory a lot of people have is Kaato and Jobin fusing with the fruit, but I don't really like that idea.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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yeah exactly

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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It'd be too weird even for Jojo. They're mother and son. How would that even work?

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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like when bruno gets the kidsarm in his first fight

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Again, it could possibly be just a straight up power-up of what she already has

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:53 PM

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What if the fruit becomes the new Requiem Arrow? itthinks

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Again, to make a really dumb parallel

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Gilgamesh's Gate Of Babylone

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From Fate

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:54 PM

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One ending theory I heard a while back was that maybe Josuke eats the fruit to evolve his Stand so it was strong enough to take down the villain, but he loses his memories again as the tradeoff.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Which is basically able to summon weapons from his personal treasury of infinite, extremely powerful weapons

vague wasp Oct 26, 2018, 10:54 PM

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oh yeah

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Me thinks an upgraded Kaato's Stand would be able to, wait for it

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Pull entire places into the pocket dimension

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So OOOOH

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I got a fantastic idea

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Instead of it being a ruined Morioh

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:55 PM

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I'm thinking there has to be more to her Stand than just the trick with the cards.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:55 PM

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It's a ruined Morioh swallowed by her pocket dimension

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I love the part where he rides a horse.

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I don't think it's just pocket dimensions.

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Kaato's Stand is a small version of D4C.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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It has to be some sort of spacial/dimensional manipulation, though

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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kaatos stand is ZA HANDO confirmed

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Hmm, I don't think so, D4C was travelling between parallel dimensions

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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za hando and sticky fingers had a baby

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I think Kaato is more focused on storing and weaponizing POCKET dimensions instead, different things

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Something that might be cool was if Kaato's Stand could merge or separate space.

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Merging space produces the pocket-dimension effect we've seen by minimizing the amount of space something takes up.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Y'know that old trop of 'the final boss is set in a new dimension' that JRPGs often have?

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We never really had that with JoJo, and with a spatial manipulation Stand, we could have it

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Separating space either undoes the pocket dimension effect, or potentially creates rifts in space.

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 10:58 PM

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D4C was close enough to a spatial dimension Stand.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 10:58 PM

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And I'm more or less imagining it like the city hovering into an endless space, like an island, with a whole bunch of objects that Kaato can manipulate

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I'm just wanking the idea knob at this point

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 10:59 PM

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D4C was a heavily defensive Stand in nature, so I imagine Kaato's Stand will be more offensively-inclined in combat, especially given her revenge-driven motivation.

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If D4C was the ultimate defense, I could see Kaato's Stand being the ultimate offense.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:00 PM

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If my idea really comes to pass, which is unlikely but possible

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She could just manipulate every non-organic object in her dimension and use it as an attack

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Like the buildings? She can just throw them

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Everything would be out to kill the protagonist, basically

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Which would make her

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Absurdly OP

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:01 PM

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That would be really cool.

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I do wonder how strong the villain of Jojolion will be overall, given that Jojolion has a lower overall power level than pretty much any other Jojo part, except maybe part 4.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:01 PM

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But this would only work if they're actually in her pocket dimension themselves. Again, the idea is that Kaato's Stand evolves to the point it's able to swallow entire places whole, and just swallows all of Morioh just to kill Josuke

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Probably killing many innocents in the process

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Kaato will either come across as a Kira type with an underpowered Stand (compared to other main villains) that she uses creatively, or she'll be like Diavolo/Pucci/Valentine with a nearly invincible, ridiculously busted Stand that the heroes can barely fight.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Based on what we've seen, it could be either

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I'd put good money on the latter, though. I think things will ramp up a lot in the later chapters

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Yeah, KQ was an atypical villain Stand because its core ability didn't interact with one of the inherent building blocks of reality.

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So Kira had to be really creative to come across as a huge threat.

slow cobalt Oct 26, 2018, 11:05 PM

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i mean with the exception of part 6 the stands in those op main villain parts were pretty strong

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like tusk and gold experience were strong even before thier powerup

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:05 PM

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I do wonder just how over-the-top Araki would go with that idea

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I'm imagining Kaato sitting in her pocket dimension like a queen as she tries to kill the protags without lifting a finger

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Because remember, since it all would be INSIDE her Stand, range wouldn't be a problem

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Spatial Stands lend themselves much better to wide-scale shenanigans than temporal Stands do.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Also it's possible that Soft & Wet is going to get a mid-season upgrade soon

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Apart from Made in Heaven, the time-based Stands were all fairly small-scale.

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Compare that to the wide-scale battle against Funny Valentine and D4C.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Yeah, spatial stands allow for much....wider-scale ideas

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Wow we wrote the same thing

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Remind me if I'm wrong, but Josuke can't create explosive bubbles like Kira can, right?

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Nope.

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Not that we know of.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:08 PM

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It's possible that the upgrade may be just that

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He re-learns how to use explosive bubbles

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And Sheer Heart Attack

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:10 PM

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If Kaato's Stand turns out to be as broken as everyone thinks though, that'll still come across as underpowered.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:10 PM

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I duunno maaaan

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Ranged, matter-destroying bombs sound pretty OP

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Especially considering Josuke was able to survive with just regular 'bubbles' so far

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 11:11 PM

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When I first read Part 8, I thought Josuke would get Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome, where he could switch between his personality and Kira's, thereby switching his Stand between S&W and Killer Queen.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Thaaat would be difficult to use in fights

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(Plus we already kinda did that with Doppio and Diavolo)

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 11:12 PM

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It would. That was just the impression that the part gave me.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:12 PM

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What do you think would be a good upgrade Josuke would have to get to have a shot against the Kaato I'm describing?

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(Also if I turn out to be right about any of this I'm gonna nut SO HARD)

grizzled pilot Oct 26, 2018, 11:13 PM

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nut king

dusky geyser Oct 26, 2018, 11:13 PM

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The return of Caesar's razor bubbles.

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Hmm... Hard to say. I kind of want him to develop some kind of time-based trick.

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A battle between a time Stand and a space Stand would be really cool.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:15 PM

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Y'kniow what?

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Maybe he doesn't have to

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If Araki brings back his 'abstract' stealing

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He could run up to Kaato, fighting his way to her, and then...pops a bubble on her. And says, "I've stolen your [Pocket Dimension]"

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And everything comes crashing down

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:17 PM

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That'd be the most unexpected shit, I don't even think I could be mad.

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Also, this will totally be the name of her Stand.

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http://www.metrolyrics.com/queen-of-spades-lyrics-styx.html

Styx - Queen Of Spades Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Lyrics to 'Queen Of Spades' by Styx. Day into night / She's with me / How sweet is her warm / Embrace / Safe in the scent of jasmine / So safe in her gold and

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Alternatively

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 11:18 PM

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@supple plaza, Your Gangstar cred is now level 7 !

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:18 PM

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I got a better idea

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Caravan Palace

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It would still fit in with the king-motif, but instead of being king or queen, it's the palace itself

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And I know this is just a cover, buuuut

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_JxMb8RLEY

YouTube

CaravanPalace

Caravan Palace - Black Betty

A cover we've played quite a lot in our live shows, now here's the studio version Subscribe to our channel: http://bit.ly/2gvdiok Stream or download Black Be...

▶ Play video

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:20 PM

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I could still see it being Queen of Spades. I recommend checking out the lyrics too, because they also remind me of Kaato.

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Her having a Queen Stand rather than a King makes sense, and I'm pretty sure she's supposed to represent the suit of spades.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Whoa, black betty (bam-A-lam)
Whoa, black betty (bam-A-lam)
Black betty had a child (bam-A-lam)
The damn thing gone wild (bam-A-lam)
She said "I'm worrin' outta my mind" (bam-A-lam)
The damn thing gone blind (bam-A-lam)
I said oh black betty (bam-A-lam)
whoa, black betty (bam-BA-lam)

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Hato is heart, Daiya is diamond, and Mitsuba is clubs. So Kaato must be the Higashikata of spades, right?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Nope

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Although she also represents the entire deck.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Kaato is not the spade

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She's THE card

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Her name is more or less romanji for Card

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Also

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Whoa, black betty (bam-BA-lam)
Whoa, black betty (bam-BA-lam)
She really gets me high (bam-BA-lam)
You know that's no lie (bam-BA-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-BA-lam)
She's always ready (bam-BA-lam)
whoa, black betty (bam-BA-lam)
whoa, black betty (bam-BA-lam)

Read more: Ram Jam - Black Betty Lyrics | MetroLyrics

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Just finding funny little coincidences here

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:23 PM

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I could definitely see her Stand being called Caravan Palace/Black Betty if it weren't for the King naming scheme. I can't see Araki ditching that unless it's to make her a Queen.

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I've heard Kings and Queens and Queens of the Stone Age suggested for her too.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Hhmmm

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That's pretty good considering the theme

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HOWEVER

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Here's a compromise

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The original name is Queens Of The Age

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Or

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More simply

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Queen

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As in the band

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It's just 'Queen'

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:25 PM

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That'd pretty much be the Queen reference to end all Queen references, given how much Araki likes referencing them.

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I could see it being Queens of the Stone Age, but Kaato usually shortens it to Queen since the original name is so long.

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Like what Valentine does.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:26 PM

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And then, hear me out

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When it evolves to swallow all of Morioh like I'm predicting/making up

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It turns into Caravan Palace

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The palace of the queen

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Just came to say hi even though I never saw jojolion

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Jobin is the main villain oof

kind owlBOT Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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@rotund haven, Your Gangstar cred is now level 11 !

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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How is it so far?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Good

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Is it finished?

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Absolutely not

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Read boy read

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Okay bye bye

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:29 PM

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Bye

minor ore Oct 26, 2018, 11:29 PM

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Bye 👋

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Considering how Valentine was, having jobin be the antagonist is nice

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Hmm, my bets are officially on Kaato

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Gets as much screen time as a protag would but his actions are relatively malevolent

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:31 PM

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She just makes the most sense

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:31 PM

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How so

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Read up

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We talked in length

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She also has Main Villain Face Syndrome

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Compare the face to Valentine and you'd see

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Even if we ignore the evidence for Kaato, Jobin isn't written like a main villain.

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He's too easily manipulated.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Yeah, plus his back story is already revealed

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:32 PM

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He's a threat, but we've never once gotten the impression he was ever in control.

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:33 PM

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Yeah but jobin isn't a villain he's an antagonist

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:33 PM

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Yeah, it's highly likely he'll give the New Rokakaka Branch to Kaato

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Now that he has it

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:34 PM

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Jobin would take the branch for himself

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:34 PM

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The thing about Rock humans invading Morioh is probably far-fetched

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But it would be a fitting end to their threat

rotund haven Oct 26, 2018, 11:35 PM

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Speed king requiem burns holes in space

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Boom

granite sedge Oct 26, 2018, 11:35 PM

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Jobin just doesn't strike me as having the right kind of personality for the main antagonists.

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They're always really cunning and strategic and/or incredibly intimidating.

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Jobin gets manipulated too easily and he doesn't come across as someone utterly terrifying like Kaato does.

supple plaza Oct 26, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Anyway

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Now I gotta fo

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I gotta

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Shleerrp

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Bywe

flat vale Oct 27, 2018, 12:50 AM

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such a bold foreign language, will we ever truly understand it's meaning?

rich depot Oct 27, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Woah W'm wonna wo wo wleep, wood wight wveryone.

kind owlBOT Oct 27, 2018, 1:14 AM

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@rich depot, Your Gangstar cred is now level 14 !

rich depot Oct 27, 2018, 1:15 AM

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naisu

flat vale Oct 27, 2018, 1:15 AM

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bey buys bim boing bo beep bow

summer tree Oct 27, 2018, 1:25 AM

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give me the best crackship in Part 8

rich depot Oct 27, 2018, 1:31 AM

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~~Tsurugi and Jobin~~

craggy belfry Oct 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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no

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NO

flat vale Oct 27, 2018, 1:32 AM

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the best what

rich depot Oct 27, 2018, 1:33 AM

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@flat vale Crack ships are the types of ships that you have to be on crack to support

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Like Yasuho x Joshu

flat vale Oct 27, 2018, 1:34 AM

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Like Yasuho X Josuke

rich depot Oct 27, 2018, 1:34 AM

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u wot GioAaaah

flat vale Oct 27, 2018, 1:34 AM

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Josuke X Daiya when

rotund haven Oct 27, 2018, 1:50 AM

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So Daiya is like conveniently blind?

craggy belfry Oct 27, 2018, 1:50 AM

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wdym

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are you like referring when to when she saw Josuke get paged

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cause I guess I could kind of agree with you on that

rotund haven Oct 27, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Like I remember her being blind, but she can see some stuff?

white beacon Oct 27, 2018, 1:53 AM

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yeah

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she's uhhh, kinda somwhat blind

flat vale Oct 27, 2018, 1:54 AM

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very minor sight abilities

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has some but very very little

white beacon Oct 27, 2018, 1:54 AM

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and she's knows her house like the back fo her hand so she'll seem to be able to see sometimes

craggy belfry Oct 27, 2018, 1:59 AM

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I think she's LEGALLY blind but sometimes she's even more blind so yeah its inconsistent

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I think it was said she wasn't 100 percent blind though at the beginning but sometimes she can see better than other times

ripe marlin Oct 27, 2018, 2:22 PM

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#manga-jojokes @craggy belfry

vast pine Oct 27, 2018, 4:19 PM

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People confuse the #jojolion with #manga-jojokes sometimes

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It happened to me before

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lol

white beacon Oct 27, 2018, 4:25 PM

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i'm pretty sure gapgap really meant to send it here

supple plaza Oct 27, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Literally speaking JoJolion Kira would win

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Wider range of abilities, can use ranged bombs without Strayt Cat

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Can use multiple Sheer Heart Attacks

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The only thing he lacks is Bite The Dust, which is extremely situational anyway

white beacon Oct 27, 2018, 4:50 PM

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and by the looks of things, diu kira isn't in kosaku form so he shouldn't have access to btd anyways