📚lore-discussion

[heady gyro]

I winder hiw many dlcs itll take to fix thus

[slim girder]

We know of 2 more after this

[heady gyro]

Code names?

[slim girder]

Shattered cycle and then The Alchemist

The Alchemist will be the end of the year of prophecy

[trim grotto]

we may finally learn who al the chemist is after all this time

[heady gyro]

Maybe he's a weird person

A weird Al Chemist

[river surge]

I just straight up noticed rn that they did Rick The Door Technician with Val Caric

lol

[heady gyro]

Waitbhow?

[slim girder]

Before i answer have you played yet?

[river surge]

He is um

Yes

[slim girder]

There's a "door technician" cabal in the campaign

[heady gyro]

Lmaooo

I need to find him

[slim girder]

Fire and ice mission

He's that cabal you kill to open the door

[river surge]

Byf did a really good explaining what binding the nine is

we basically bind every single memeber to a mortal

that how u kill a god

[heady gyro]

Oh is that hiw we murk 6

[slim girder]

Lodi already explained this pretty well. He's gotten a pretty good handle on it

Even points us to something under chicago that's speaking to him

[heady gyro]

Lodi is honestly pretty goated after such a short time on kepler

That CIA training is really paying off

[river surge]

Either that monster or III remains

Whats under Chicago

[slim girder]

Some monster

There are very beastly things in old chicago

[river surge]

It even killed fireteams of guardians

[heady gyro]

Ghost of chicago

[river surge]

so whatever that thing is

ITS A FUCKING MONSTER

IN ALL SENSE

[heady gyro]

It's time to hunt thus monster

A monster hunter

wilds

[river surge]

I also wonder if we are going to bind a member of the Nine with our Guardian

[heady gyro]

Maybe 9

The sun

[river surge]

Also II might be the one we bind with Lodi

[heady gyro]

That makes sense

He did go straight to 2 when he has new info

[river surge]

Here are my thoughts on who we bind

I-Osiris or Saint

II-Lodi

IV-Zavala

V-Elsie or Ana

VI-Bael

[hard sigil]

why would we bind them to important people

[river surge]

idk

They have to implement new character afterwards tho

[hard sigil]

assuming the binding process means then taking over a body at minimum it doesn't seem like a good idea to sacrifice everyone we know

[heady gyro]

What if misraaks sacrifices himself as a binding vessel

[hard sigil]

the lead we currently have is to a dead body under Chicago

[river surge]

Clovis Bray

im joking

[hard sigil]

honestly I don't think the identity of the body is what matters

Lodi seemed to know who it was

[river surge]

Someone important perhaps

Imagine its another old self guardian that we know

[hard sigil]

he specifically says it's under Adams and Wabash

which is an L train station

(the same trains that killed Ikora and were strewn around Kepler)

[river surge]

Oh great its Ikoras daughter

Bro what am I saying

...

[heady gyro]

Being meta for a second, what i love about destiny is that we can connect all this outterspace stuff with everyday irl stuff

[hard sigil]

I don't think theyd go so far

[heady gyro]

Pleaaaase i need thus

[hard sigil]

it helps that Lodi is just straight up from the 1950s

[river surge]

Also why America and not Asia

[hard sigil]

so he's just a good reference point

[river surge]

can we go to Asia next expansion

[heady gyro]

He says some modern american stuff and i smile a little

[heady gyro]

Monkey paw curls

Destiny rising

[river surge]

I wanna visit old Japan or China

[heady gyro]

That's something they shoulda done very early on hinestly

[hard sigil]

eh honestly they don't need to

[heady gyro]

Introduce the edz, russia, japan zone, ad such

It'd be cool

[river surge]

Also from what I have hears

[heady gyro]

Imagine an eliksni captain in samurai armour

[river surge]

New York is a crater????

[heady gyro]

Wait what?

[hard sigil]

it's better to focus on space considering one of the main points of the traveller existing is that it terraformed the system

[heady gyro]

That's true

[river surge]

Manhattan Nuclear Zone, current New York, literally a crater

[heady gyro]

But it'd be so cool thi

[hard sigil]

yeah the Manhattan Nuclear Zone

[heady gyro]

That could explain what lodi saw in the visions from 3

The irradiated rain

[river surge]

Full of takens btw

[heady gyro]

There were taken during the collapse?

[river surge]

The Black Fleet literally came with everyone

almost everyone

[hard sigil]

no

[river surge]

Oryx was not involved in it tho

[hard sigil]

the taken infestation formed after Oryx's arrival

[ember storm]

the collapse was no actual war or combat

[river surge]

Yeah

[hard sigil]

it was referenced as being infested by the time of forsaken

[heady gyro]

Yes i remember

The witness did it out of hate

[ember storm]

the black fleet just caused apocalyptic destruction like storms, plagues, earthquakes, etc

[heady gyro]

It couldve ended with humanity easily

[ember storm]

actually nezarec was at the helm

[hard sigil]

witness wasn't even in the system

it was Nezzy and Savathûn in charge

[heady gyro]

Why not do it itself. The traveler is right there?

[river surge]

I wonder where The Witness was and its reaction to the attack being a full fail

[ember storm]

witness has only ever gotten involved when it absolutely had to

[hard sigil]

it expected it to run again

[ember storm]

because nezarec was just meant to clean house and get the traveler alone

[hard sigil]

and that

[ember storm]

witness only showed up when nezarec died and the traveler stood its ground

[river surge]

Wait so Nezarec>Rhulk in terms of leadership

[heady gyro]

Ah "no pieces left to place"

[heady gyro]

I dont think so

Rhulk was the first disciple wasnt he?

[hard sigil]

no I think rhulk was stuck in the high coven by this point iirc

[ember storm]

Rhulk was the first disicple but the witness really did not fucking like him

[heady gyro]

Then savathun cast the illusion and hid the traveler

[ember storm]

his only actual accomplishment was setting up the hive as an asset

[river surge]

Rhulk was the mega and omega chad

[ember storm]

everything after that was a failure that the witness essentially despised

[river surge]

If Rhulk was at helm IT WOULDVE BEEN OVER FOR US

Literally

[heady gyro]

Aurafarming us to death

[hard sigil]

the illusion in question being beating the hell out of nezarec and crashing his pyramid into the moon

[ember storm]

after failing to get another civilization under the black fleet, the witness sent him into permanent time out in Savathun's throne world to try and enlist her properly

he was literally sent to train his replacement but he couldn't even tell

[heady gyro]

Wait so, how did she hide the traveler?

[river surge]

Rhulks whole personality is what caused his downfall tho

[hard sigil]

she didn't, she hid the veil

[river surge]

bro literally felt superior till it was too late and he got doomed

[ember storm]

not literally hid, but she was involved in its survival at the end of the collapse

the witness only left because it believed the traveler was "dead" so it just waited out at the edge of the galaxy

[heady gyro]

Wait give me the details, i think i mixed up my info

[river surge]

Also we can say that The Traveler wasnt blinded by this and later gave her the light

Even tho the hive were chosen for light

[ember storm]

Savathun went down to earth disguised as a person and taught unknowing human families how to aid her in a ritual when the collapse would happen

[ember storm]

it was more like "I believe in you so you get this chance"

the traveler wasn't involved in savathun's resurrection whatsoever

[heady gyro]

Was the ritual an illusion spell?

[ember storm]

she and immaru already had it plotted out beforehand

[river surge]

She knowss

she knowss

[ember storm]

i don't think we've ever been specifically told actually

[trim grotto]

Both things can be true.

[ember storm]

the collapse is already muddy as is

[river surge]

But hey The Traveler could explode Immaru any second

so it was a pass

[ember storm]

but she's been defined as one of, if not the only reason we survived the collapse with the witness leaving

so there's that

[heady gyro]

So she used an illusion ritual to hide the traveler, is the tldr?

[ember storm]

she did something

[ember storm]

i mean not anymore

[trim grotto]

Savathun slew Nezarec, and stole and hid the Veil. Without it, the Witness could not accomplish the Final Shape.
Her ritual was unclear.

[ember storm]

i dont think the traveler is going to do anything outside the pale heart anymore

at least for a while

[hard sigil]

comatose again smh

[river surge]

Till a fucking superweapon is in the system ready to dissect it in half

but we stopped it

[heady gyro]

Oh makes sense

[ember storm]

she's a very heavy sleeper

[river surge]

So basically The Traveler is done with uplifting she found her chosens and now

she chills

soooo cool

[trim grotto]

Well, she is a little busy with a haemorrhaging triangular wound.

[ember storm]

i mean the vast majority of guardians were rezzed when she was asleep, and not even the speaker could get direct contact with her

[river surge]

I wish we could help her tho

I feel bad

[ember storm]

plus there's still a bunch of unpaired ghosts anyway

[trim grotto]

Overthrow.

[river surge]

She is just a giant orb

[river surge]

Why 😭

[ember storm]

we could decorate her

[river surge]

Great idea

[ember storm]

get some nice shrink wrap

[river surge]

It wouldve been cool if The City decorated her for Christmas

[ember storm]

great use of taxpayer dollars

[river surge]

LOL

[ember storm]

actually does the city even have taxes

[trim grotto]

To return to this, yes. They did.

But without the Traveler, the Hive would not have become Lucent as a massive wave of resurrections. Ghosts are people. They're curious. Instinctual. Were it as simple as resurrecting another species, it would have long since happened.

Her Light is a gift to be given. And if claimed by one it was not offered to, she would rescind it.

[trim grotto]

Yes. Ironically, we know this thanks to Drifter.

Apparently he pays them too.

[river surge]

Drifter paying taxes

NAH

THATS CRAZYY

[hard sigil]

couldn't be me but good for him

[trim grotto]

"No, no," the Drifter says from the doorway. He kicks the rolling canister away without looking down. "I'm a law-abiding citizen. I pay my taxes. You can trust me."

[river surge]

Drifter paying taxes is insane tho

Drifter might have been the last person in the Tower to say that imo

[trim grotto]

He's said it twice now. The first quote is escaping me, though.

[heady gyro]

The praxic order can eat shit, but the vanguard IRS takes no shit

[river surge]

Zavala paying taxes

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/GKG-zn_yre4?si=xXYP6IAAbINWBC2v

Found it

[river surge]

So I killed The Witness to pay taxes

insane

[trim grotto]

Death and Taxes, friend.

[river surge]

Actually how many guardians have cannonically learned prismatic

[hard sigil]

pretty sure it's literally only us who's mastered it

[trim grotto]

As far as I am aware (though I haven't kept up with new lore), we haven't been informed about others learning Prismatic like we did with Strand and Stasis.

[hard sigil]

but others can definitely weave different energies together

[river surge]

Oh dang

so we are evolving fast

[trim grotto]

In some ways, we can thank Drifter for that.

[hard sigil]

a Weapon needs to be kept sharp

[trim grotto]

After all, what was Gambit if not our first ventures into wielding Darkness?

[river surge]

Drifter always the goat although he pays taxes

[trim grotto]

Well, he does work in the Tower. Would you like to piss off Shaxx?

[river surge]

I sincerely forgot Ikora was the only one to beat Shaxx so I dont wanna mind business with him

[trim grotto]

When Tex Mechanica tried to bribe him he sent Arcite 99-40 in to threaten them with a warning, saying he'd send a Fireteam of Titans through their roof.

[river surge]

We are so cooked for that

[slim girder]

Shaxx has been told to take down the skull in his spot hanging on the roof. All he has said is "no"

Other notable accomplishments are taking lord felwinters head off with a single punch

[river surge]

Wh

Ok

NAH

Is Lord Shaxx Thanos or what

[slim girder]

Him and Saint 14 are considered some of the greatest titans in history

[river surge]

Fair enough

[queen swallow]

Wasn’t he actually Savathûn at that point in time?

Or being influenced by her

[slim girder]

No. He did hum the song one time though.

But osiris is the only one who's been body swapped

[hard sigil]

the main risk of the skull is that it's an Ahamkara and as such may grant any accidental wishes

[queen swallow]

I’m like 95% sure she possessed/saw through the skull to spy on Shaxx and influence him

[hard sigil]

yeah I remember that

but it was just to infect him with the song

[maiden kraken]

Didn’t he sing it at some point

I remember that happening and he said the moon was made of chez

[slim girder]

Season of dawn

That was savathuns song he sang

[river surge]

Im on the moooooonnn

Its made of cheeeeeseee

Bro what was Savathun smoking when she was making these songs

😭

[slim girder]

Those aren't the lyrics. The song doesn't even have lyrics.
It's just the tune of the song. The same song that played on the title screen when you booted up the game during witch queen.

[slim girder]

I know Lodi is talking about binding the nine to bodies but I hope VI ends up in a capsule.

[rich wharf]

i dont get what those mean, like VI and III and IX

i get that theyre numbers but what are they

[slim girder]

They are members of the nine.
Celestial 4th dimensional beings made up of dark matter tied to each of the main planetary bodies in the solar system

[rich wharf]

is there a byf video on that that you know of phoenix?

[slim girder]

Yes. Byf has done a video. Gimme a sec

https://youtu.be/1sLCVZAA8SY?si=ZvvE4cQLDzLzd0bE @rich wharf

The nine have been in Destiny for as long as the franchise has existed but only now in this new saga will we really be interacting with them in a major way

Now that I'm looking at that thumbnail the nine really are creepy looking. I love it but it does unnerve me slightly.
Like was the biblically accurate angel look really the best choice for a form they could take?

[heady gyro]

Well

yea kinda

[dapper moss]

to be fair the nine don't really look like anything

[rich wharf]

ah thanks man, you're the best

[rich wharf]

i think it looks like an eye with legs

[slow berry]

i mean they exist across time

its like if someone squished you into two dimensions

you probably wouldn't look very good

[dim minnow]

That one guy whose body got turned into the letter "N"

Seriously, why did they do that?

[slow berry]

i can't believe we got robbed of that lore tab until now

it's so good

[slow berry]

i'm a huge fan of the meat-entity with a million mouths and a million throats but no stomach that lives for one millisecond because the nine can't understand how things live

[dim minnow]

One guy touches the phone, he gets turned into pure Niobium, another guy tries to push it with his rifle? The gun is twisted into a large circle and he is contorted into the letter "N". Last guy tries moving it with a broom and he's fine but the broom turns to solid gold

[tight inlet]

I just realized something, one of the future dlc is called the alchemist and the planet most associated with transformation, change, and the mind (like a planetary alchemist) is Mercury

What if we go back to Mercury in the alchemist?

[dim minnow]

Is Alchemist the next expansion?

Or is it something else?

Because it looks like we're supposed to be going to Old Chicago next according to Lodi

[queen swallow]

In two expansions, next is Shattered Cycle

[slow berry]

They've just referred to VI as the alchemist this expansion

and there's an older mention of Maya as an alchemist i think?

[manic pagoda]

https://www.reddit.com/r/destinycirclejerk/s/uKRR5QImGW ik it's a shitpost sub, but ngl I kinda want to see this explored ingame

[slow berry]

i dont think thats our room but also, guardians have been constantly depicted in-universe as real oddballs as a result of their resurrection ability, long lives and just the nature of their lives as lightbearers

Saladin lived in a massive cluttered mess, Eris Morn's apartment is some real "damn bitch you live like this" moment, as was Drifter's Derelict

Guardians can go years without proper rest and entire lifetimes refusing to actually take a genuine, actual break from work

so yeah i'd guess they just live like that

[frigid sparrow]

this could also be in reference to the mid-season thing, the description for Lawless states that we're going to a "hive weapons foundry," trying to go after "a weapon of shadowy legend"

the monster in old chicago could potentially be hive in origin, stemming from this weapon's foundry, some monster made to be a living weapon

[slow berry]

hakke, maybe?

[frigid sparrow]

something that's interesting is that there's associations with two tex weapons for the cabal and hive

Dead Man's Tale was found on the Glykon Volatus, a Cabal ship, whereas we get The Last Word as a gift from Shin in D2... stopping a Hive weapon master

[river surge]

What are the chances of fighting another dredgen in the dungeon?

Or idk

I just dont want a simple bland Cabal boss

[queen swallow]

It's where we kill Bael

[river surge]

That would be cool

Or even Premier Lume

[frigid sparrow]

we're not killing either of them in the dungeon

both still have a way's to go in the story

[queen swallow]

We already killed the cabal dude in the campaign

[frigid sparrow]

we didn't

he dipped with minimal health left

[river surge]

He teleported away btw

Also yeah I dont think we will kill Bael soon

[queen swallow]

I missed that part somehow

[river surge]

But Premier Lume maybe

[frigid sparrow]

he's very likely being set up as a foil to caiatl in the future with potential torobotl story

[river surge]

Another lose for Torabatl visit

When are the Cabal going back Torabatl

Never

[frigid sparrow]

whereas Bael is both still just a guy and wouldn't really fit for a dungeon boss and is also likely being set up as a foil to us

[queen swallow]

I'm calling it, we kill VI in Alchemist and replace em with Torobatl

[river surge]

Maybe if we bring Torabatl to Sol just maybe the Cabal will finally have peace

[frigid sparrow]

we gonna move up to old chicago and come face-to-face with this thing

[river surge]

Whatever that thing below Chicago is

Its gonna wreck us badly

Like bro

In lore it is said it killed fireteams of guardians

Wtf do u mean it killed fireteams of guardians

Is that thing

[queen swallow]

We show up to Chicago armed to the teeth and it's just one random normal homeless dude that's managed to survive under Chicago

[river surge]

Keeping the homeless on streets ajh

😭

[frigid sparrow]

go go gadget Green Monster of the Swamp

[river surge]

Also

Chicago is now a big swamp right

I wouldnt mind if we see big spiders

And big frogs

WAIT THE BIG FROGS THAT WERE SHOWN IN THE ARTWORKS

Nah bro I have phobia of frogs

Anything but frogs

[frigid sparrow]

since we're taking on a hive weapons foundry and it's related to swampy areas

chances could be that savathun is involved

[river surge]

Xivu?

[modern lodge]

Thats not how it works bruh

[frigid sparrow]

but my opinions on this are mostly due to hoping that we bind one of the nine to Savathun

[queen swallow]

I'm genuinely quitting if they add giant spiders. Fuck right off with that

[river surge]

It does actually, we bind it to Bael and kill Bael

[river surge]

[river surge]

Binding a nine members with Savathun is a dead wish

[queen swallow]

We use one of Riven's children

[frigid sparrow]

spiders would be a neat new hive enemy type

[river surge]

Just not giant ones

Please

[frigid sparrow]

crawling on the walls, firing mortar shots

[river surge]

Crawling on walls

Im out of here

Bye

Also anything but big frogs

[modern lodge]

But if VI dies wouldn't it fuck with the planet?

Like with III

[queen swallow]

How long has III been dead for?

[modern lodge]

A while now

Half a year?

[queen swallow]

So since Edge of Fate

Because I thought it was that III had been dead for a long time

And if that was the case and it took this long for bad things to start happening to the planet then we'd expect the same timeline or so for VI

[frigid sparrow]

I think that the main theory is that binding the nine to a physical realm within the third dimension would either lessen or negate the negative effects

III was unwillingly pulled straight from the 4th dimension to the 3rd dimension without care for what it would do

or, at the very least, we'd have to not kill them

[modern lodge]

Maybe we turn bael into a nugget with VI binded to him

[queen swallow]

Phenomenal cosmic power - itty bitty living space

[modern lodge]

I kinda wish we had a personal space ngl

Maybe had a post master and a vault, a couch

[slow berry]

shortly before Edge of Fate

[mortal wind]

How exactly did Drifter save the Tharsis Reformation from the Conductor?

[frigid sparrow]

he's a smuggler

[mortal wind]

How would you smuggle a mind controlled vex

[frigid sparrow]

sharp cheddar

[queen swallow]

And gambling

[slow berry]

i do like that the vex seem innately well-intentioned for the most part outside of the collective

[queen swallow]

"Well-intentioned" and it's just like 20 of them gambling in a corner

[slow berry]

that's good intentions as far as i'm concerned

deal me in

[frigid sparrow]

they're not hurting anybody

[meager coral]

i mean the leader of reformation doesnt want the vex to transform the universe and be the last thing standing

[slow berry]

also yeah when you consider the default vex activity is "transform everything into vex"

btw idea: the tharsis reformation start running a massive crucible gambling house because they can't simulate light

so it's extra gambling

also i NEEED to see osiris and the tharsis reformation

i require more tharsis reformation lore immediately

[frigid sparrow]

I need the tharsis reformation to have new gameplay

[modern lodge]

I'm a little disappointed that the syndicate leaders didn't have voice actors

[frigid sparrow]

I honestly wasn't expecting it

[mortal wind]

Sharp chedder was the weirdest thing outta kepler lmao

i don't completely know what happened

We faked a vex's death that talked to us I guess and gave 'em to Aionians

[frigid sparrow]

I mean yeah pretty much

[mortal wind]

and Sharp chedder formed the Tharsis Reformation?

[slow berry]

Nah

[frigid sparrow]

no, just the first major defector vex we've seen

[mortal wind]

Asher?

[frigid sparrow]

no, presumably Zephyrus

oh wrong thing

no, Asher was someone who entered the vex network

not a vex entity who was given free will

[mortal wind]

I suppose

[mortal wind]

Also watchu mean was he's still chillin' in there somewherest

[frigid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[mortal wind]

Unless i missed something from avalon

[frigid sparrow]

okay

so asher isn't DEAD dead

but he's like

the most dead person alive right now

and that's counting vance

[slow berry]

deadest man alive world record holder

[dapper moss]

asher mir is

about as alive as the echo of navigation

[hard sigil]

a ghost in the machine as one might say

[dapper moss]

almost like a ghost in the

shell

[hazy veldt]

I’ve heard fan theories that aphelion lives under old chicago

Aren’t aphelions localised to dreaming city?

Like from my memories there is nothing we knows about those things except that only sjur lived after encountering one

[hard sigil]

there's like barely any information on the aphelion as it is and half of it comes from Calus and his fanfiction

there is a monster in Chicago

we don't know what it is

or if it's even there still

[hazy veldt]

My headcannon is that it’s some kind of eldritch horror that pyramids dropped there

I am so hyped about old chicago its crazy

finally new urban landscape

Well at some point urban

[hard sigil]

it'll be interesting

Ikora says she woke up in a desert

but according to Zavala the great lakes still exist

[hazy veldt]

more like great lakes of ammonia

[hard sigil]

they might be

apparently they're the area most affected by IIIs death

[hazy veldt]

I think we actually need to give more credit to black fleet

Come to think of it

[ember storm]

why

it's not an entity

[hazy veldt]

I know

Force of pyramid ships I mean

[ember storm]

pyramid ships are "alive" but without a master they literally don't do shit

everything they've ever done was either just the witness or nezarec once

[hazy veldt]

Collapse was genuinely worse than biblical apocalypse

Personally I think what happened to titan is one of the best ways to display helplessness on behalf of humanity in fiction

[ember storm]

what if you wanted to explore the stars

but the pyramid said

water egg

[mortal wind]

Are you sure about that?

Biblical apocalypse isn't just murder everyone

It's tortue everyone for months-years

[ember storm]

neither was the collapse, really

[mortal wind]

it's been abit since i perused revelations

But they had tortue locust chimera monsters

That don't kill you

[ember storm]

waves of sickness, natural disasters, ships pulled out of the sky

[mortal wind]

But inject you with super torture venom

[ember storm]

there was the whole K1 fiasco

[mortal wind]

that just has you in agony for months

[ember storm]

also the final shape is like

bad

[mortal wind]

The chimera torture locusts that specifically just put you in pain

[mortal wind]

Well yeah but it isn't malicious tho tbh

It's freezing the universe in an "ideal" state

Because like, entropy bad or something

But being frozen forever sounds kinda boring

[hazy veldt]

It’s not boring it’s nothing at all

[ember storm]

it's not that actually

you're fully aware

living out the same moment for eternity

most of them aren't even good

[hazy veldt]

Goal of the witness is perma-pausing the universe

Was*

And all life in it

To end life and death, pain and pleasure

So unsure if u would remain conscious

[hard sigil]

idk man the bible doesn't say anything about using gravitational weapons to pull titan into an egg shape and then releasing it to cause tsunamis at atmospheric height

[mortal wind]

Well true but that just kills you

[pseudo pebble]

Maybe I just wasn’t paying attention during fire and ice

But did they mention any origins tied to the praxic blade

any cool lore?

[dapper moss]

well its a praxic order weapon

and powered by dark matter which is cool i guess

[frigid sparrow]

basically just an exclusive reward for members of their order

[pseudo pebble]

with no significance beyond that? 😭

It kinda feels just there

[frigid sparrow]

it's given after essentially being pledged into the praxic order

you are a member now

[slim girder]

Well they probably didn't want to go too much into otherwise it might look like they were trying to insert star wars into destiny's lore.

[pseudo pebble]

Fair enough

[frigid sparrow]

the exception obviously being Bael since he stole that shit

[pseudo pebble]

still slightly disappointed though

[frigid sparrow]

also the inclusion of dark matter and darkness powers with our blade is probably unique since the dark matter advents weren't very prevalent prior to the death of III and the nine meddling in our realms currently, and the praxic order hates darkness

[hard sigil]

yeah Aunor says we've "changed the order forever" just by having our presence within it

due to our usage of darkness

[frigid sparrow]

as for the dark matter crystals uhhh don't ask me but I just like to think that everyone's is like aunor's yellow blade

[slim girder]

The praxic is in a very weird shift where their dependence on light alone is now seen as ignorance considering it was light and dark that helped kill the witness

[frigid sparrow]

"Ulan-Tan was right."

[pseudo pebble]

the lore tab of the new hunter exotic details a duel between siegfried and aunor

And I won’t lie

He’s kind of an asshole

[frigid sparrow]

he's MAJORLY an asshole

[slim girder]

Hell I'm sure they weren't too happy hear their own commander Zavala embraced using stasis. A guy who has had nothing but faith in the light even if it's been turned upside down over the years

[pseudo pebble]

he would hate seeing me

I’ve used stasis only for over a year

[slim girder]

Zavala nowadays isn't against darkness. Took him a while to fully accept that it could be used for good.

Ikoras been learning strand and apparently Eris now uses strand to

Osiris as well but we saw that last year before the final shape happened

[frigid sparrow]

yeah everyone's been "learning" but are we ever gonna see? no.
"meet potential subclass!"

[mortal wind]

That's praxic in general

Aunor is nice now but lore tab aunor was totally an asshole lol

then you got shayura i think was praxic

I wonder if we'll see more peoples using Darkness since anyone can use it with some high-risk learning

[frigid sparrow]

uhh iirc she was inducted after her breakdown

[mortal wind]

after?

huh

[slim girder]

Shayura had quite the "episode" when it came to others using darkness

[mortal wind]

She murdered innocents and then got jailed and therapy

[hard sigil]

Zavala actively used stasis in the final shape cutscene

[frigid sparrow]

yeah but not strand

[hard sigil]

true

[slim girder]

Strand is still a bit rare atm. Give it time and I'm sure we'll see it eventually

And that goes for possibly prismatic as well

[hard sigil]

drifter talked about Eris using strand in the dialogue with eido

[frigid sparrow]

"if" and "will" but never "is"

[mortal wind]

I'd like to see prismatic used for sure

I thought it was awesome getting to see actual abilities (grenades) used in cutscenes

I like ludonarrative harmony or whatever

[hard sigil]

like us slapping that healing nade into lodi

[mortal wind]

Yeah exactly

i thought that was really cool

contextualizing ingame abilities into story actions

I'd love to see more prismatic considering we get it for gameplay and then the story doesn't really touch it at all

Unless there's a prismatic lorebook that I don't know

[hard sigil]

the issue with prismatic is that it's symbolic of us specifically and our own mastery over the light and dark

it's our 'canon' subclass now

[slim girder]

Speaking of can we just talk about how insane our guardian went when they picked up that thorn to protect drifter.
Bael is a bad dude yes but our guardian fired like 7 shots rapid fire like he was going to litter Bael with holes.
Found out he was human and then went right on the offensive

[hard sigil]

perfectly in character

[mortal wind]

i dont' care if he's human he might be a good chance to turn a planet into a gun

What arc grenade exactly was it that we sent again

Lightning?

[hard sigil]

and also the other side of this issue is that like. in lore guardians mix subclass abilities all the time

[slim girder]

Uldren got 1 bullet.
Bael loses a hand and almost gets mag dumped by one of the most dangerous weapons in Destiny.

[mortal wind]

Idk about 'all the time' where's that mentioned?

[hard sigil]

Bael should really have been killed by that unless the metal in his body stops the spread of the poison

[mortal wind]

From what I've seen they generally stick to their subclass, yknow sepcialize

[mortal wind]

Well there was dialogue that specifically said his status as a Weapon/Vessel makes him harder to kill

VI won't let him die that easily

[hard sigil]

subclasses are like martial arts. sure you can specialise and stick to a certain technique, but true masters use mixed martial arts and learn multiple techniques to become adaptable

[mortal wind]

Well yeah but mixing it is like

Ikora

Vast majority of people aren't Ikora

Ikora's literally Her

[hard sigil]

true

[slim girder]

Yeah not really sure how that would have worked because the poison even from replicas of thorn is "venomous" as said by Jana 14.
Not only does it cause necrosis but like snake venom it adopts your heartbeat to help itself spread.
It's an extremely dangerous other worldly kind of poison

[mortal wind]

I figure other people'll learn to pick up Prismatic eventually too

It'd be nice if it's rarer than what Strand is now with it spreadin' alot

But you don't need to do anything special to get to the Pale Heart of the Traveler

It's probably a pilgrimage spot like Io was at this point

[slim girder]

You sort of do. It's seen as a blessing from the traveler in a way. Even bungie says this that we were chosen by it and it empowers us

Obviously I'm sure you could learn harmony but if a guardian really wanted to truly try and achieve transcendence they'd need to spend time in the pale heart

[mortal wind]

To get inside it is a portal

Maybe Prismatic is different tho

[shrewd ravine]

Isn’t Osiris using stasis and strand

[mortal wind]

yea

[hard sigil]

idk I'm a firm believer that prismatic is unique to the Guardian

[shrewd ravine]

Nah

[slim girder]

Yes because he longer can use light.

[shrewd ravine]

Maybe ikora actually but idk if she likes the darkness

[hard sigil]

everyone who's brought it up in game has acted like it is

[pseudo pebble]

I’d like it if more characters could

Micah-10 for example

[slim girder]

She's using strand in the cutscene after the battle with the witness. And she's the one who taught Zavala stasis

[hard sigil]

like I'm sure other guardians will learn to weave light and dark together but like transcendence feels special

[mortal wind]

Which cutscene I don't remember seein' micah-10 in a cutscene

[slim girder]

Cutscene after our celebration in the city after excision

[mortal wind]

idk how i'd search that on youtube lol

[slim girder]

https://youtu.be/kHN0AIEHVGA?si=VGgPnH8zh1SqOZT5

Here

[mortal wind]

ty ty

[shrewd ravine]

How is the traveler rn, cause like they got a open wound rn right? 😭

[hard sigil]

healing

she's working on herself

[slim girder]

We got rid of the major threat so now we've been helping it heal through overthrow.

Will take a long time but the main point is that it is healing

[queen walrus]

man im kinda bummed the yellow lightsaber wasnt part of a bonus praxic quest. I wanted to like rep the Praxics and stuff . I get so hype when i see the quest icon art for "praxics path" makes me all warm inside but there wasnt much to it iirc

But hey im glad we got this ammount of customisation in the thing, never would have happened if it wasnt a lightsaber but eh.

[slim girder]

Well the yellow is part of the "praxic professional payout" so it's still related to the praxics

[queen walrus]

for sure, the issue was that i got my hopes up haha

"praxic professional oh man we get a quest for a specific color? nice!"

nope

rng bounty lol

i guess its still a quest in a way that tells you to use the thing

[hard sigil]

I got mine pretty fast

[dim minnow]

plus, you get ammo regen for the praxic blade in pinnacle ops whenever the order is active

[dim minnow]

everyone who got that order probably went to the shadow thrall zone in Whisper

[hard sigil]

yeah I did

[dim minnow]

because the amount of kills you need is a lot given that death resets your progress

[hard sigil]

oh it does?

[queen walrus]

normally id be like cool it shows that you actually like the thing, but since everyone can cheese it theres not much point

[slim girder]

Unless you're me who went to the very end of the mission completely forgetting about the thrall pit

So i took longer for no reason

[hard sigil]

lol

[mortal wind]

Did you perhaps mix up Ikora Rey with Micah-10?

[slim girder]

You said ikora

[mortal wind]

i see the mixup, someone mentioned Micah-10 and immediately after you said 'shes using strand in cutscene' referring to ikora

and then i replied sayin' i didnt see micah-10 in a cutscene

and you replied to the micah-10 from me with ikora usin' strand

ofc Ikora would learn strand tho she's like that I bet she can summon 100 Threadlings at once

What kinda House or whatnot is this guy from

I don't recognize red armor from anywhere

[slim girder]

He's a piker

All the eliksni there are pikers

[mortal wind]

Don't they got more of a green-ish and the hair stuffs

this guy specifically got red armor

wait nvm i see the other guys

[slim girder]

You don't see the green cloth he's wearing?

[mortal wind]

No

I mean I didn't

Now I do

I just didn't see any of them with that helmet before and i blame the lack of seeing red on the lighting

[frigid sparrow]

The vandals iirc have some heavy red

When you initially show up to the Pikers pre-spider, two armed guards come out of invis

[mortal wind]

they showed up later too looks cool

i asked earlier why we're still fighting the Lucent Hive

and i checked some dialogue and now know why lol

rip being friends after killing the witness

[slim girder]

Savathun was never our friend. She just found more use to us alive but now after blowing up the memory of her brother she is no longer being nice with us

[mortal wind]

well before it was all business

Like all of Witch Queen wasn't her havin' it out for us, it was her wanting to hide the traveler from the witness and us being casualties as part of the process

Now it's personal though

At least we got luzaku she's cool

[slim girder]

Would like to see fynch again

[mortal wind]

I wanna see a whole faction of lucent hive decide to break off ngl

I think the whole coalition we got goin' on is awesome

[queen swallow]

We've already gotten started with Luzaku

[heady gyro]

Wait, how did drifter free the tharsis reformation vex?

[jagged badge]

I think they mention he helped them escape Maya to Tharsis

That’s something that happens offscreen and afaik, not in an existing lore tab either

[dim minnow]

I thought I remembered something about someone encountering loose Vex somewhere

[frigid sparrow]

basically just smuggling

we know he's experienced since we help him get spider into the city

[mortal wind]

sharp cheddar

[warm zephyr]

bungie should bring back rasputin and arm it with the anti precasual lazer from renagades and have it go on a mecha battle with the nine

[dim minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-book-fire-book-dies-fire-book-falls-over-fire-book-falls-dies-cringe-gif-7295403596432690175

[warm zephyr]

they should bring back rasputin he the goat

should of gave him the anti precasual lazer to fight the black fleet

[trim grotto]

precausal

[dim minnow]

so many reason why that isn't feasible

[trim grotto]

precasaul

[dim minnow]

like we don't just have anti-paracausal lasers

[trim grotto]

anti pre saul goodman

[dim minnow]

hell Rasputin is dead

[slim girder]

We blew up the last one only this week

[heady gyro]

What is that blue arc-like ball thing the guardian uses in EoF and Renegades

[slim girder]

In EoF it's a healing grenade, in rengades it's an arc grenade

[dim minnow]

the ball you turn into in Edge of Fate is Matterspark and is an ability tied to the Dark Matter on Kepler

like Mattermorph

in Renegades, we just threw a regular Arc grenade at Bael and his soldiers

[mortal wind]

The nine do

[cold onyx]

How long is the fate sage going to be

[mortal wind]

And we're the weapon of the nine

[jagged badge]

I’m not sure that we know tbh

[cold onyx]

Wait I’m so confused still on the Eof ending cutscene

[mortal wind]

Rasputin is dead now, but he wasn't dead before, and time isn't linear, so with some finangling by probably the inner nine he could be before, now.

[cold onyx]

And I saw it 6 months ago

[mortal wind]

III of the Nine is dead. The Nine that was formed around/from Earth.

Because of III's death strange phenomenae is happening on Earth

[cold onyx]

So the nine are based off planets

[mortal wind]

Yes, sapience in a system and dark matter coalescing around the gravity well of the planets in the system

Sapience in the system awoke the Nine, the Nine are made up of Dark Matter in the gravity well of the planets/celestial bodies in the system

[cold onyx]

The train

From the intro

[hard sigil]

what about it

[cold onyx]

That’s the event that occurred after 3 died

[cold onyx]

That’s the train

[mortal wind]

The Nine, specifically III, manipulating events to get us to find III on Kepler, revive III (temporarily), and see the Prophecy from III

[mortal wind]

No

The train was intentional

[hard sigil]

the train was the invitation they sent to Ikora

[cold onyx]

But then how did we know to go to Kepler

[mortal wind]

the strange phenomenae is matter transmuting randomly

[cold onyx]

uh and we see that when

[hard sigil]

time is weird on Kepler. III died "months ago" but also at the same time we arrived

[mortal wind]

The peaks of the himalayas being made out of copper, random sections of the atmosphere becoming argon, etc. It's mentioned in mutliple dialogue throughout renegades

[hard sigil]

Andes, not the Himalayas

[slow berry]

also in lore books during edge of fate

[cold onyx]

And so we go to Kepler

[hard sigil]

and also it was most of them, not just the peaks

[cold onyx]

And try to find what

[slow berry]

The Nine sent an invitation to Ikora, that's the train.

[cold onyx]

Which told us to go yo Kepler out of all places

[hard sigil]

we go initially to investigate the singularity

[slow berry]

the train is also how they got Ikora to die so she would be reborn as a guardian so that she could receive the invitation.

[mortal wind]

We temporarily revived III at Kepler using the energy gathered by Gambit in The Haul behind Drifter's Derelict, and III used that oppurtunity to give Lodi the vision/prophecy of "Bind the Nine" in order for us to avoid extinction

[slim girder]

III dies a month before we arrived on kepler. But when we revived them they showed us a flashback of sorts showing the events that led to its death.

[mortal wind]

So the current objective is Bind the Nine so we don't get wiped out

[jagged badge]

Lodi my beloved

[mortal wind]

Also the conductor killed III by pulling it into our dimension

Lodi is great

[cold onyx]

And we bind the 9 by forcing them into people

[mortal wind]

that's the current theory

[hard sigil]

that's the plan yes

[slow berry]

we think

[cold onyx]

What did she want to do

[slow berry]

She wanted to force III to pull the Golden Age into the future

[mortal wind]

Considering that VI is limited in its capabilities while bound to Dredgen Bael

[slow berry]

which they cannot do

[jagged badge]

She wanted III’s power over time to bring back the Golden Age, though that wasn’t physically possible

[hard sigil]

specifically she wanted them to swap out golden age earth and current earth

[jagged badge]

She didn’t take no for an answer and killed III

[cold onyx]

Then while That’s happening

[slim girder]

Maya doesn't take no for an answer so she killed III

[mortal wind]

she's a problem

[cold onyx]

Orin quits being emissary

[trim grotto]

as people tend to do when mildly inconvenienced

[slow berry]

you could also like, play the campaign rn

[slow berry]

average walmart shopper tbh

[jagged badge]

Yeah I do it all the time

[slim girder]

We don't actually know the timeline of that action

[cold onyx]

So Lodi saying goodbye commander is 3 talking through him

[slim girder]

Yes

[jagged badge]

Yes

[slow berry]

III did quite love us

[jagged badge]

“Children of my Earth”

[slow berry]

they seemed rather saddened to have to have to do all that to Ikora

[mortal wind]

Yeah III was chill like that

[cold onyx]

And the archon was just there

[mortal wind]

Archon was trying to take dark matter/power from III's corpse

[cold onyx]

And ikora died because she sucked at driving

[slow berry]

the archon ate moldy ether and became a god

[slow berry]

well no, she was driving and the nine threw a train at her

hence, the train

[slim girder]

The archon and house of exlies had always been ther living with the aionians

[frigid sparrow]

Not even

He was trying to drive himself into the singularity to overload it

[hard sigil]

I mean they threw a train at her but yeah

[slow berry]

how come when i eat moldy food i just get bread poisoning

[mortal wind]

Oh yeah he did want to grow it

[cold onyx]

Ohh because everything we’ve done was already written by the ix

[mortal wind]

bread poisoning lol

[frigid sparrow]

Like how tiny black holes in cartoons grow when you feed them stuff

[slim girder]

@cold onyx A lot of your questions can be answered by playing the campaign and seeing it all

[hard sigil]

that's the real term for it

[mortal wind]

Well it's kinda iffy how much exactly the Nine can control

The Nine can affect fate

but yknow

[cold onyx]

I’ve played it twice

[mortal wind]

Guardians make their own Fate

[cold onyx]

The nine are why it took me 7 hours to do verity the first time

[mortal wind]

IX is the sun

gets confusin if you use roman numeral to refer to the whole bunch ngl but not really because reading is a thing

[hard sigil]

in a sense. they don't control everything but they can adjust things to create the outcome they desire

a guiding hand

[cold onyx]

Eof and renegades don’t feel connected at all

[frigid sparrow]

They can also see into the future, seemingly

[mortal wind]

The future isn't set in stone, like Ikora didn't always make the joke about eating cactus, but the IX see time non-linearly but time still happens linearly

[frigid sparrow]

They know things will happen

[cold onyx]

Like the major events

But the steps leading to em they don’t control

[frigid sparrow]

They can also do that

[mortal wind]

The Nine's future-sight also isn't absolute though we get to see in a lore tab

[frigid sparrow]

Take the red war

[mortal wind]

I forget which gun I'd have to check

One of the new ones of couse

[cold onyx]

K

[mortal wind]

We still have agency

[hard sigil]

well to them there is no such thing. the past, present and future is concurrent. it's just that being around paracausality makes the future fuzzy and constantly shifting. sand in the wind

[frigid sparrow]

The nine are very responsible for messing with our comms and allowing the red legion to appear out of seemingly nowhere

Which allowed orins ghost to be killed

Which led to her becoming emissary

[mortal wind]

The present is still a thing for the nine tbh but they can see everything they still have to have time pass as things happen

[hard sigil]

and also set us up on our path

[mortal wind]

It's a matter of perspective

[frigid sparrow]

They directly sought out the red war just to kill a ghost so its guardian could act as a messenger

[mortal wind]

Oh yeah did we ever know which of the Nine were responsible for that exactly?

[cold onyx]

Nothing to deal with anything from the light and dark saga

Just orins ghost

Like they triggered the entire saga

[mortal wind]

Actually the Flower game triggered the entire saga

[hard sigil]

they were still setting us up to become the Weapon too

[cold onyx]

So then Orin painfully quits being emissary

And then III posses Lodi or smth

And Lodi is emissary

[hard sigil]

Orin quits, which leads the IX to search millennia backwards through time to find a replacement, they find Lodi and make the phone call

[cold onyx]

Wait Lodi was never on keplar

So if go linear he’s dead during tfs

But the ikora train already happened

[hard sigil]

well that's the issue. you can't go linear when the nine are involved

[cold onyx]

So therefore when the nine take Lodi shouldn’t it create a new reality

[hard sigil]

Lodi was in Chicago in the 50s and, thrown forwards through the collapse, and landed on Kepler

[hard sigil]

not necessarily. think of it as storing something in a pocket

he was essentially frozen in spacetime

and then placed down again

[frigid sparrow]

They just picked him up and placed him down

[cold onyx]

They took him from that exact moment in time and brought him to the present

[hard sigil]

the rest of his life that would have happened if he wasn't chosen doesn't exist because he was always going to be chosen

[cold onyx]

So pre EOF he’s dead

[hard sigil]

no

[cold onyx]

But orin haven’t quit

[hard sigil]

but she was always going to

[cold onyx]

So they grabbed Lodi stored him until she quit

[hard sigil]

like I said linear time doesn't exist for them

[cold onyx]

And then threw him on Kepler

[hard sigil]

it's all happening at once

there isn't a timeline of events

[cold onyx]

Cause their a 4th dimension entity

[hard sigil]

the nine are experiencing their birth, life and death at all times

[cold onyx]

And we can’t see them

But maya tried pulling a 4d bring into 3d reality

[hard sigil]

they move through time just as easily as we move through 3d space

[hard sigil]

and the effect was a body made of dark matter becoming Strange Matter and III's death

like trying to exist in a painting

[cold onyx]

That’s the singularity

[hard sigil]

it's simply impossible

the singularity is just a black hole

[cold onyx]

Ohhh

And then maya sends her vex into 3

Which is where DP and EDP happen

[hard sigil]

the raid is Maya attempting to digitise Nine Space, yes

[cold onyx]

To make her golden age

Which somehow all of this is connected to dredged bael and the praxis vault

[hard sigil]

not necessarily

[cold onyx]

The dlcs are standalone but painting a larger narrative

[hard sigil]

Dredgens Bael is being manipulated by a different member of the nine

VI

[cold onyx]

Yeah that Ik

6 wants him to use the Death Star on earth

[hard sigil]

each of the outer members have their own methods to escape their current existence

Maya was actually being manipulated by V

[cold onyx]

And drifter gets a vision to led the imperium

[cold onyx]

Is she still

[hard sigil]

it believes that if it gains access and control over the Vex network, it can force them into being used as extra mass so Jupiter can become a star

[mortal wind]

VI wants to use sword logic to gather the power to escape reality

But I'm not sure what escaping reality exactly means

[hard sigil]

possibly. but she's not much use now that she's losing control over the echo

[mortal wind]

Where's this lore from?

[hard sigil]

epochs and orbits

[mortal wind]

What section is that in and where does the book drop from

[cold onyx]

The echos are what like a fragment of the traveler

[hard sigil]

rite of the nine, last year

[cold onyx]

That contain memory’s

[hard sigil]

oh wait no it was from eof

my bad

[mortal wind]

I mean, The Light, Dusk and Dawn, and The Darkness

[mortal wind]

\The witness actually since Darkness is the power governing consciousness and memories

[hard sigil]

it'll be easier if I just link the Ishtar version

[cold onyx]

So maya is a memory

[mortal wind]

No she's using a memory

[hard sigil]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-epochs-orbits?highlight=epochs and orbits

[mortal wind]

the conductor is maya sundaresh

[cold onyx]

The conductor always existed

Just trapped in the vex net

[hard sigil]

fused shards of light and dark. the memories of the witness made manifest as artefacts of paracausal power

[mortal wind]

Well she only started conducting when she got the echo but idk her lore

[hard sigil]

technically? I mean she was born like anyone else

[mortal wind]

the Pale Heart is like really interesting

[hard sigil]

Maya has a very complicated history

[mortal wind]

because everything we see is essentially the combination of light and dark

Memories carried by Darkness and a conscious observer formed physically by the boundless Light inside The Traveler.

[cold onyx]

Gosh no lore until shattered cycle

[mortal wind]

old chicago lore

[hard sigil]

Maya Sundaresh was a researcher in the golden age. her hits include being simulated over 200 times by the vex network (a majority of these simulations still exist and have formed their own society), being a founding member of Neomuna, creating the machine the FWC uses, and being the conductor

Lakshmi is also technically a copy of Maya

[mortal wind]

Actually what is Lakshmi's relation to Maya sunderesh

Oh straight up a copy?

One of the simulated vex ones?

[hard sigil]

she was her own person, on Neomuna

but she participated in the experiments with the veil and her exomind was wiped by it

[mortal wind]

so maya sunderesh was an exo on neomuna?

[hard sigil]

so later, Maya uses the veil to copy her consciousness into Lakshmi's body, cloning herself (without her memories) and sending it to earth

[hard sigil]

Lakshmi was. Maya was always human

[mortal wind]

oh ok clone

[hard sigil]

she's an exo now because she separated herself from her body when she entered the vex network

[mortal wind]

maya/Lakshmi reminds me of that one politican on earth from The Expanse

[hard sigil]

and used a recreation of Lakshmi's body as a physical vessel when she claimed the echo

anyway epochs and orbits is easily one of my favourite lore books in the game it's a very good insight into the nine

[hard sigil]

but to answer this, and I want to say I called this months before we knew anything about renegades, VI is planning on using sword logic to form a throne world it can orbit and control instead

or at the very least just escape to the ascendant plane

[mortal wind]

huh the ascendant plane

That's a viable theory

Tithing isn't necessarily connected to the ascendant plane though

[hard sigil]

but it's directly connected to creating a throne world

[mortal wind]

I don't think Maya used sword logic did she?

[hard sigil]

nope

[mortal wind]

Wait no Mara

typo

Mara Sov

[hard sigil]

Mara used bomb logic

and is herself a very special case

throne worlds are incredibly interesting to think about

[mortal wind]

She's got a throne world in the ascendant plane and and as far as I've seen she isn't explicitly stated as using sword logic and tithing to form it

[mortal wind]

Domain Expansion; jjk reference in your Destiny

[hard sigil]

it's actually EXTREMELY similar

the way I view it, Power, sword logic or otherwise, affects your presence in the ascendant plane. once you attain enough, the weight of your presence creates a singularity. a pocket. this is what we call a throne world

[mortal wind]

the ascendant plane is like a mirror of reality shaped by consciousness I suppose

[hard sigil]

the easiest way to gain power is through the tithing system and sword logic, but it's not the only way

[hard sigil]

exactly. the weight of your consciousness. the power that your very essence holds

it's an immaterial gravity

like the warp in 40k, pretty much

[cold onyx]

Do we fight a single human in gameplay

[hard sigil]

if you gain enough spiritual mass you create a mind palace

[mortal wind]

bomb logic is basically

teamwork makes the dream work

[hard sigil]

bomb logic centres on complexity, whereas sword logic centres on simplicity

[mortal wind]

ah yeah good comparison, reflection of consciousness

[hard sigil]

crucible, gambit, the invasions on the frontier, dual destiny

[mortal wind]

so i guess the ascendant plane is pretty similar to the Pale Heart huh?

[cold onyx]

Ok but like raids

[hard sigil]

nope

raid bosses are big

[mortal wind]

I don't think any raids
was there a Conductor boss during her season?

That would count

[cold onyx]

I thought they’d make a human boss fight

[hard sigil]

there's no human bosses

[cold onyx]

Damn

[hard sigil]

raid bosses need to be big enough that 6 people shooting at them doesn't look weird

[mortal wind]

i think the dredgen bael reveal is pretty cool

I wasn't expectin' it tbh

[cold onyx]

Destiny was originally supposed to be 4 games

[mortal wind]

That's been disproved for awhile now

[cold onyx]

Ik

[mortal wind]

Wait fr I was making that up

[cold onyx]

Crazy that’s what is was supposed to be

[hard sigil]

another way to put this is Will and willpower. it's a term that's already thrown around a lot in the game

[cold onyx]

During an activists infinity war lawsuit from 2012 details of the bungo activision contract got revealed

4 games

[hard sigil]

especially in relation to the taken, which are intrinsically tied to the ascendant plane

[cold onyx]

2013 15 17 19

[mortal wind]

4 games related to destiny?

[cold onyx]

4 destiny games

Thank god that didn’t work lol

[mortal wind]

We really should get destiny 3 at this point but that's a prevalent topic by now

Really surprised it didn't happen after the end of a whole 'saga' but that must be because of behind the scene planning and some such

[cold onyx]

D3 ain’t happening till post fate saga

[mortal wind]

10 more years of D2

[cold onyx]

Yup

Lf5 lw in 2035

[mortal wind]

2 expansions from npw

We get sent through a wormhole

and find a living ship

[cold onyx]

Nah 2 dlcs from now we die and the nine win

[mortal wind]

And an enigmatic crew of escapees and then we gotta fight the resident empire in the area

We die plenty as it is

[cold onyx]

Watch 8 more dlcs to bing each of the nine

7

Then 1 finale

[mortal wind]

7?

[cold onyx]

6 is bonded

[mortal wind]

Assuming VI is bound you were right the first time

yeah there's 9 Nine

[cold onyx]

3 is dead

[mortal wind]

But not bound

can't assume III is bound while it's dead

[cold onyx]

Ok

So then assuming 6 ain’t bound

Then 10 dlcs

Or 9 dlcs

8 of the nine binding and then a finale

[mortal wind]

Where'd 10 come from

[hard sigil]

the point of binding them is to make sure they can't interfere with the future

[mortal wind]

in theory

[hard sigil]

III can't interfere because it's dead

[mortal wind]

We solo the nine

they wanna play with fate

but they forgot

Guardians Make Their Own Fate

[cold onyx]

What was Statons original story before it got scrapped

[mortal wind]

Staton?

[cold onyx]

D1 stuff

Nvm

[mortal wind]

I wouldn't know enough to know scrapped content lol

[heady gyro]

Im curious, am i the only one with the image of the titan on tharsis seizing up during the massacre , etched into my mind

[mortal wind]

Yea

I miss havin' the random guardians around tharsis tho

i guess we got players sure but it was neat seein' player models used for npc's or whatever

[sick yew]

Looked pretty horrific indeed

Kinda funny that iirc that Titan was the poster bro of Edge of Fate

[heady gyro]

Gurdian npcs, just to get cut down in a cutscene

The post disaster descriptions were pretty harrowing too

[heady gyro]

He looked cool

[mortal wind]

post disaster descriptions?

[heady gyro]

Yea you'd go around inspecting the corpses

There was a cowboy warlock i really liked

[sick yew]

Its a pretty neat set yeah

[heady gyro]

Only guardian other than the trans drip guardian that had their fit together

There was one guardian using wormhusk crown. Why did they give them that, it's so hard to fashion

[sick yew]

Bros a pvp sweat obviously they deserved the destruction

[heady gyro]

I deserve destruction?

I love wormhusk

[hard sigil]

there was that one hunter using the class item I think that makes prismatic canon for others

[heady gyro]

How common are prismatic guardians?

[hard sigil]

this is pretty much the first time it's been hinted that others are using it

[sick yew]

I think we are actually the only one

At least in the way that we do

Using both light and darkness in itself isnt uncommon these days but weaving them together like we do is unique

[slim girder]

We don't see others using transcendence

But there were many guardians in the pale heart when we fought the witness

[heady gyro]

Maybe some watched and learned

[slim girder]

The dual destiny mission would confirm it wasn't just us who got all the fancy stuff

[sick yew]

is Dual Destiny like canon and shit? Whos the other guardian supposed to be considering from the players perspective theyre both the protagonist

[slim girder]

That is just left to interpretation but savathun acknowledging the second guardian would make it canon.

[sick yew]

Technically speaking neither Guardian in Dual Destiny need to be on prismatic tho right?

[slim girder]

No. Just light and dark

[sick yew]

Then yeah I guess we just grabbed a homie from the tower and pulled em into the Pale Heart or some shit lmfao

[river surge]

Technically who could cannonically wield prsimatic besides us that early